 Why did you decide to form the Heritage Party? Something that basically stands for all the things we thought were common sense. There's a section in our manifesto that says free speech and liberty, and we've got to stand up for that. I think the Conservative Party is totally non-conservative. In fact, it's anti-conservative. Of course only women have a cervix and vice versa. David, how are you, sir? I'm really good. Thank you. Good to be with you. Yes, it's great to see you again. We last saw each other at one of the London marches for Friends at Home. This was standing up against, let's just say, all the nonsense of the last two years. We're quite limited about what we can say about that on some of the channels we broadcast on. But what I will say is this gentleman that I have the pleasure of chatting to today was at every single demonstration. And also, David, you've got a wonderfully kind persona. I don't think you ever stop smiling, and that, to me, encapsulated the love, the kindness, the empathy that the people that bothered to turn up in London for their children's freedom. It's what it was all about. Thank you. I love going to the marches. I went mostly to the ones in London because I lived in London at the beginning of this whole lockdown nightmare because I was still on the London Assembly then. Fortunately, I didn't get elected back on in 2021, so I moved out of London. I'm now in Sussex, but I still can go up, it's not too far away. But yeah, I haven't been since March or April this year. It's been two or three months, I haven't been. But that's because there's been other things going on. I was involved in a by-election in Tiviton and Honiton. But for those two years, I went every single time. I loved it, and it was just wonderful being with tens or hundreds of thousands of people who were like you, because the government tried to keep us apart from each other and atomise us. I could never have imagined that this would happen in England, that we would have a kind of communism that's so severe that the government is saying, you can't even talk to your friends and meet up in the street. For the first time, I disobeyed the law because the law became repugnant because the government should have no right to tell you that you're not allowed to meet up with your friends or assemble or protest and all the things that we've had the right to do for centuries and centuries. I went to the marches and I remember the one in March 2021 was amazing because for the whole year before that, the first year of it, I remember the police just going in really, really hard, just trying to close everything down immediately. I mean, the very first one was about 50 people, May 2020. And I was there, Piers Corbyn was there as well before he got involved in politics. He was doing a speech, there were 50 people there. Well, 100 police came in and just closed everything down, threatened everybody. I was on my bicycle, they threatened that they'd arrest me if I didn't move on. So, you know, I did at the time because even though I was standing for freedom, I didn't really want to get arrested, but that's the sort of threats and coercion they use. So I remember going back to the point, March 2021, they started to do what they'd always done before. There was a few people turned up and speakers corner. They started arresting people, picking on individuals, going in with snatch gangs, putting people into their big police trucks. And then all of a sudden, it was like 100,000 people just turned up, almost out of nowhere at the same time. It was, you know, it was almost miraculous. And then they stopped. There was nothing they could do because there were so many people standing together for freedom against tyranny. That even the police who were there to try to harass people couldn't do anything about it. And then we just got together and marched all around London and it was the most glorious day. And I think that also inspired people all around the world. And people were looking at what's happening in London. And then you got the people started doing the same thing in Australia and Canada and Germany and the USA, standing against tyranny all over the world. So although it was really, really tough, it was wonderful to be a part of that. You know, every generation has to fight for freedom. And we're not yet at the point where we have to go and, you know, lay down our lives on the beaches of Normandy, but we may have to risk, you know, getting hassled by the police and we did. And we've won the battle. Still haven't won the war, I don't think, but we won some significant battles over the last two years. Yes, we certainly did. And we should give a shout out to Fiona from the Worldwide Freedom Rally, who just worked tirelessly to put this together and got herself in court, I think like five times. Absolutely wonderful individual. And also Louise from the Save Our Rights, which was another prominent, prominent rally. I want to say thank you to the Global Veterans Alliance, who I had the pleasure of working with. Thank you everybody that got involved. David, what I want to do is just, I think if we talk politics, I'm like, me and you might fall asleep, let alone our audience. Oh, I won't fall asleep. I'm totally into it, but I do understand, you know, there's a big disconnect from politics and ordinary people. So, you know, I totally understand. What I got to say yet, mate, so that you get your pillow ready. But no, I just let's touch on some topical ones. We touched on chemtrails, didn't we? I've been looking into this, just a little example here, David. So we're forecast a heatwave here in the Southwest. The last couple of days, oh my God, the skies were almost as blue as when we were children. And young people watching now won't understand what I'm talking about. But the sky didn't used to be the color that it is this kind of, you know, gray color. It used to be pristine blue like the Simpsons clouds. And the only time in my life since childhood or certainly since my teenage years, we had those skies was in lockdown because of course there were no planes flying over. We came really close this last couple of days to having those blue skies again. And I'm just going to tell you what I observed. And it was because we haven't had the amount of planes going over. I live in Plymouth. We don't have an airport. We're not on any major flight routes. And yet when I wake up in the morning, I sort of like to get up early. Geez, there can be like nine aeroplanes in the sky. And what happened yesterday was we had, I've noticed that the planes have knocked off. The weather has been pristine. And then I started to see the planes again yesterday, yesterday morning to afternoon. And they weren't so prominent as they usually are. I don't know why it was that the sky was just so blue, but you could see them up there. And when I went out last night to tidy up the garden because I've been doing some work out there, I could see the trails just shooting up into the sky. And I thought we're going to wake up today and it's going to be porridge. We probably should have had another pristine day. It's going to be all clad in up there. And what have we got? We've got exactly what I said. And I stood there in the garden, David, and my heart was heavy because who the hell do you talk to this about? You know, why? I know the answer to my own question, but why can't people see it? Geez, you know, why can't people see it? Well, it's another thing that is derided as a conspiracy theory, isn't it? Which is the language that people use in order to try to discredit anybody who even considers that there's something going on in the skies. But it's so absolutely obvious. You know, I mean, I remember like you when I was younger, there were never any of these chem trails or big white splodges and lines in the sky. Sometimes you'd have contrails, condensation trails. You'd see some like, you know, water vapor coming out. It would condense, but then it would disperse, you know, pretty much after a few seconds as the airplane went through the sky. And you still see that, but you don't get these huge long streets in the sky that just stay there for hours and hours and get bigger and then form these clouds. I mean, that just didn't happen when I was, you know, in school and in the 70s and 80s. I don't remember that at all. And, you know, it's pretty obvious. You know, I mean, I'm under the flight path to Gatwick and Heathrow. I mean, I'm not not affected by the noise of the planes too much because they go very, very high. I must have like about 400 planes flying over. You see them all day, every day going to and from Gatwick and Heathrow. And, you know, sometimes there's nothing coming out of the backsides of the planes. And you do get these lovely pristine blue days like yesterday in the morning. It was quite, it was lovely. And then got to about four o'clock and all of a sudden they started spraying stuff out of their backs of their planes. And this morning, you know, you've got that this morning outside as well. And, you know, some people say, oh, well, no, no, they're contrails. It's just water vapor condensation. Well, you know, you get that when it's cold. Yes, that's more likely to get that when it's cold, you're more likely to get them when it's humid. But right now it's hot and it's dry. So the conditions for contrails are not there and yet you still see them. All of a sudden they'd start up, you know, there'd be nothing and then suddenly they'd start. And also you'd see some planes spraying out the back and then some planes with nothing coming out of the back. So obviously there's something going on. The other thing that I noticed as well, which I've never seen until two or three years ago, is what I call dirty rainbows in the clouds. Now, you know, normally, if you have a rainbow, you're facing where it's raining. But it's still sunny and the sun's behind you. So the light gets diffracted and the rainbow, you see it in front of you. But what you can see in some of these chemtrail clouds is the sun is in front of you and then to about a 90-degree angle, you see some dirty rainbow where the light's being diffracted by metal compounds which must be there in the clouds because water vapor doesn't diffract in that angle in front of you. That can only happen when there's chemicals up there in the clouds. And the government admits it. You know, they've got a page on their website talking about solar dimming. The Spanish government has admitted that spraying goes on. The Australian government or it was on a television media channel. They do cloud seeding and they did that in New South Wales a few years ago and people were complaining that there's so much flooding. Why are they still cloud seeding and making the floods worse? This was on mainstream media in Australia. So, you know, it's all out there. It's been admitted by governments, by mainstream media. And yet still, the majority of the mainstream media anyway will accuse you of being a conspiracy theorist even when they told you this is happening. So, you know, it's not a conspiracy theory. It's real. Yeah, it is real. I mean, my microphone's doing funny things. We don't have to pretend it's all to defend it because in America, they have like conventions on this, you know, where they come and talk about what they're doing. But I've looked into it, David, and what I can see. And I've only done this limited in friends at home. You're more than welcome to put constructive comment below if your understanding of this is deeper than David's and mine. All I would say is be kind and be polite because we're not here to take your abuse. Or we just say goodbye to you. It's that simple. It's not just a case of, oh, they're contrails and we're all idiots. It's more than that. I'm 52 years old. And I think David and I, it's not like we're not intelligent people. And if we're saying that there's an issue, then I think it's a cause for concern. But I watched a documentary, David. I think it was called What the Hell's Going On With Our Skies. And what I got from it is imagine a picture where, say, a big company like, for example, Monsanto, who have a lot to gain from their genetically modified grain and seeds. Imagine if you pollute the earth to a degree through this, a lot of its aluminium, which changes the pH balance of the soil. The average person who's doing their gardening, which is what we're finding, or your farmers, no longer can grow these stable crops that they've been relying on. And they have to buy these genetically modified seeds. So that is one angle alone. I mean, another angle is the obvious effect on the weather. And we just have miserable days here. When they should be cloudy, sunny, we should be getting vitamin D. That's a factor. You're the whole population not getting the vitamin D that you should be. It's an issue. But yes, I'm glad you concur. Yeah, I mean, it's just the psychological effect, isn't it? To be in nature where everything is natural and you have peaceful days and lovely blue skies and you can go out in the sun, like you say, get vitamin D. It's good for you. It's good for your mood. It's good for your health. And these chemtrails there are denying you that because it makes everything dull and gloomy. And it has an effect on your psyche. It just lowers your mood when you could be enjoying the day. And multiply that by hundreds of millions of people that they're doing it to. And that has a knock on effect on society as a whole if you affect the mood of hundreds of millions of people, which it does because they're affecting the whole sky. I mean, people openly talk about geoengineering, don't they? And what you said about possibly affecting the soil and the food, that's a possibility. Again, I'd leave that in the realm of a hypothesis rather than a proven theory personally. But it is a viable hypothesis and you can see that some people would profit from that. But nobody should be allowed to profit from geoengineering. When nobody even knows that it's going on or not actually being told it's being going on. And certainly we haven't given our consent to it if it is going on. And, you know, aluminium, of course, causes all kinds of diseases, mental psychological diseases, Alzheimer's disease. There's clearly links between aluminium and autism and so on. And you could go and talk about aluminium in other places as well. But I think we might get stopped by the algorithm from doing that. But yeah, I think that you might know what I'm talking about. Absolutely. I mean, just on that point alone, I came to the realisation, or it's certainly over a process of time, David, that like I'm born perfect. I don't mean like I'm a perfect guy. What I mean is my health is perfect. I am very keen on maintaining my body's pH level. Hence why I have these strips. I don't need to use them now because I can keep myself in the green through my diet. I never know which way round it is. Is it the red means you're acidic? That's all you. Yeah, red is acidic. Yeah, all your meat, your refined carbs, basically your average person's diet. And I've realised that like I don't buy into, got to be careful, I say here, friends at home. But you know, personally, I don't buy into the medical model. It makes no sense that the notion like there's a bogeyman and it can like jump from that guy into me. Sorry, not having it. But back to the chemtrails thing, it's just like you said, David, no one's talking about it, which is a red flag, a red flag in it. Explain what it is. Explain why when that plane goes over, I can guarantee that white strip will stay in the sky. All it will still be there when I go out at 11 o'clock at night. Only it will have distended. Is that the right word? It will have spread to chug up that part. Folks, put your comments below. On the same subject then, David, or to me from what I just said, what's going on with the farmers then? Why is that an issue at the moment? It's all over the world, isn't it? I mean, I think the thing that people are very aware of what's happening in the Netherlands and this is to do with the climate alarmism narrative, which is just a disaster. I mean, they're starting off by for years claiming that carbon dioxide is harmful and then we need to cut our carbon dioxide emissions, even though now NASA have admitted that it's not got anything to do with global warming or climate change. It's the sun is the biggest driver of climate change. And yeah, maybe human activity does increase carbon dioxide levels a little bit and that may have a tiny effect on global average temperatures, but nothing at all compared with solar activity. So they want us to totally change our way of life so that we cut our carbon dioxide emissions. And in Netherlands, they're now picking on nitrogen emissions. Now, that doesn't make any sense at all because nitrogen is the majority gas in the atmosphere. 78% of the atmosphere is nitrogen. I assume what they mean by that is nitrogen compounds like ammonia, NH3 and nitrogen dioxide, NO2, getting into the atmosphere because of agricultural activity. But the farmers are saying, well, we don't produce hardly any of these nitrogen compounds anyway. But the point if it is they want to take the farms. They want farmers to stop farming. They especially want them to stop dairy farming and meat farming. They want them to kill all their animals and take their farms so that they can build new smart cities for all of the migrants that they're planning to bring into Europe over the next 10 years or so. This was really about it's not about protecting the environment or the climate at all. It was completely other nefarious agendas. And you have these people sitting in these organizations like the World Economic Forum and other organizations behind them, and also the big money hedge funds. What is it? Blackrock, isn't it? Blackrock and State Street and Vanguard. They're the biggest hedge funds that have got their fingers in just about every big company in the world. They own stocks and shares and everything. And these people want to manipulate the world in a way which would gain them more profit and more power and more control. They don't want small businesses and medium sized businesses and independent farmers with their independent ways of producing meats and foods for ordinary people. They want to control it in a way that is utterly horrific. I mean, Bill Gates, for example, openly wants to start creating these hideous, soy-based franken meats, lab factory-grown meats that we will all eat in place of beef and lamb and chicken that we've eaten for millennia. So, you know, that's what's behind it all. And again, the Dutch government has just brought in new laws that said, well, you know, essentially, we're going to take your farms. It's theft. It's essentially state communist style theft that is going on in the Netherlands. So, you know, all power to the arm of the Dutch farmers standing up against this new tyranny. Yes, bless them. And just again, for friends at home, if you're not aware, so you've got BlackRock and Vanguard, the two companies, they have the biggest shares in every single company floated on the stock market. So they have, it's not maybe not necessarily controlling share, but they have the biggest of the shares. You know, what do we know? What did Lord Acton say? Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. So there's a massive red flag there. You know, two individuals, two CEOs are controlling the direction on the planet. And who's to say that they're even nice people? It's hard to know who they are because it's sort of like it's very opaque to see who the directors are and who are the owners of these companies that own everything else. So they don't know, as you say, they don't know absolutely everything else, but they have 10, 20, 30% stakes in almost all of the big global corporations listed on all the stock markets in the world. This is something I didn't know until about a year ago, but this is information that's coming out. And you know, this is not capitalism where you can start a business and then you have risk and then if you manage your business wisely, you're on a level playing field and you're a small or a medium-sized business and you can grow and you can thrive. So this is corporatism where you have two or three or four massive corporate players that get governments to change the rules and regulations to suit them so that they can grow and they can basically, you know, gobble up everything else like big parasites and destroy smaller medium-sized businesses. Part of the whole lockdown situation was to do that because small businesses were deemed as non-essential. I mean, what right has the government got to say, you're a small business, you're non-essential, you have to close, but you're a big business, you're essential so you can stay open. And because of that, they gain all the market share of the small businesses that have been destroyed by the government. But you know, they would bid governments to bring in these kind of regulations and you've basically seen that in action in the lockdown. Now you're seeing that same thing in action with the Dutch farmers as well. And you know, there's a situation in Sri Lanka that we all know about where the government is essentially collapsed. They've totally destroyed the economy by pursuing this green agenda that says, well, if you're a small farmer, you're not allowed to purchase fertilizer. So you basically can't grow any crops because they've banned fertilizer. And so there's no food and all the farms have just gone bankrupt and the whole country's gone bankrupt. So that means now that the big parasitic organizations like the IMF, whatever the World Bank will now like to come in and say, oh, well, we can get you out of trouble here. Here's a loan for 10, 20 billion pounds, but you run your economy our way and no small businesses, just big businesses that we control are going to be doing all the business. So hopefully, the people will say no to this, although it's tough, but they've taken over the presidential palace, but they've got to take over the economy as well and power to the arm of the Sri Lankan standing up against tyranny there too. Yeah, well, it's good you mention it, David, because they are failing and they will fail because evil never trumps good. And you see an awful lot of kickback against this. You can only have so much before even the person that's quote unquote asleep says, ah, do you know what? Yeah. I mean, the amount of people after this podcast that are going to go out and look up in the sky and you can sorry to be offensive, folks, but if you don't see it, then you're an idiot. You know, you really are. You're not creating much, you know, with this blinkered approach to life. But I'm also glad you mentioned that, David, because we said earlier what the government has done to us with respect to the lockdowns, you know, all the just the ridiculous behavior. I mean, honestly, if they come out and said you got to go to work with a carrot shoved in your ear, we know people would have done it. You know, we know people would have done it. But when you have this behavior, the planet over. You go to some remote island in Polynesia that's never seen, you know, quote unquote Western people before. And they're wearing silly things on their faces. And if you haven't got one of those silly things on your face, they throw themselves into the hedge to avoid, right? The point I'm making is this goes way above government. This is total global control is what we've seen for two years, total every country, some worse than others. I mean, New Zealand, what they've had to go through. And you see these leaders that are just bineless cowards. They literally, I mean, we had it with Blair during the Iraq years, just just gutless, gutless cowards. It's easy for me to say, I feel like I'm an enlightened individual. David or them probably not probably not sounding like one. No, absolutely. I mean, you know, but I mean, these people are all puppets of this global control system. And, you know, it's almost like we do have a shadow global government, although it hasn't revealed itself yet and they're still pretending that they don't exist. But we still do have the remnants of democracy. Unfortunately, we keep on voting people in who are all part of this system. You know, in the UK, obviously we got the Tories, Labour, Lib Dem, Green, SNP, but they're all following the globalist agenda, the climate agenda, the lockdown agenda, the, you know, and other things. And but that's the same as you say, Macron, Merkel, Trudeau, Biden, Ardern, all of the state governors in Australia were doing the same China. It's just had massive lockdowns of people, you know, and then, you know, it's still going on and so on. Some countries did say no to this. I mean, Belarus said no, Sweden and Brazil. So there were some countries that didn't follow the agenda there. I don't know how Sweden normally does everything wrong. But at this time, it seems they were allowed to, you know, not have lockdown things. But I think the reason for that is that they already got a digital identity system set up, you know, which was the end game of this. It's always been in place for decades. You know, in Sweden, everybody has a number that they're given at birth and they have to use this government number to access any government services. So they're way, way ahead in the globalist plans for digital identity. And lots of them have already got chips in their their their hands to open doors and, you know, get their money out and stuff. So in a way that we just simply haven't started in the UK. But yeah, this was the lockstep. They were all working in lockstep together, which was the word used in the 2010 Rockefeller Foundation report for bringing in the fourth industrial revolution and digital identity and all these new technologies that they wanted to bring in. So they didn't. Yeah, if what they should do is say to the people, look, we got these great new technologies. Do you want them? Do you want to have a chip in your hands? Do you want to have a cashless society? Do you want to have a digital identity? Do you do you want everybody to be forced to have a social credit system? Do you want to be kicked off the Internet if you say something that we don't like? No, give that to you upfront as as what they want to do. And you know what everyone would say, are you joking? No way. That's disastrous. That's horrible. That's hideous. That's dystopian and totalitarian. And we don't want that at all. And then they could vote for people who don't want to bring that kind of thing in, but they haven't been honest and upfront and asked for people's consent and laid down their plans upfront. They've created these fake crises and emergencies, the problem so that the people have a reaction through fear mongering and so on. And then they bring in the solution, which they hope people will accept after they've generated the chaos that they have. And this has been going on all around the world. Like you said in New Zealand, it was so bad that they essentially were a prison island for nearly two years. No one could fly in or out. So I mean, it's horrendous if you live there under that Ardern creature. So yeah, you know, I think now people are waking up to it. Even people who went along with this at the beginning who believed the whole catchphrase and line, which was two weeks to flatten the curve. It's only two weeks just to deal with this emergency. And then two years later, and when the restrictions were finally lifted after massive pressure, we've got all the massive psychological damage and economic damage and social damage of two years of chaos and destruction. So I think, however, this is not over yet. And as soon as this was finished in there, they'll generate another chaos narrative somewhere else in the world. I mean, look, the very same people that were pushing lockdowns and stuff are now pushing for an endless war in Ukraine, which is the next thing. And they're also trying to make us afraid of new things coming up like monkeypox and disease X and whatever, you know, Marburg virus and all these things. So, you know, these narratives are coming out every week to try to keep people in a state of fear. It's insane. Again, folks, the fact that we can't talk about this because of the, in fact, David, you and I can have a chat. We're going to the locals platform. We started to move our people across there just so we can talk like adults. But in current situation being what it is, I would just strongly encourage anybody out there to learn that there are different models of health. You should go straight to a chap called Antoine Beauchamp, who lived about, I don't know, my, my history is a bit bad, but 200 years ago and it's really, you get one life. You don't get like one dry run through and then you get another go if you're a bit shit in that one, then you get, you get this one in this set of molecules at least. And it's really worth understanding the nature of health and 99.9% of people have no, no idea, you know, really. And so they only can go to the government to be told what to do. I probably, David, I probably said too much already, but it's just, you know, when you know this, you know, the secret to life and people are blindly just doing this thing and you're like, oh my God, God. But let's change subjects. What we've, what we thinking on woke, the whole woke thing, I gather it's a thing, I see it's on Twitter or something. I'm not, I'm not like big into this sort of thing, but this is just the utter ludic, the utter ludicracy of an idea which then gets disseminated and accepted by the masses. So, you know, now, like blokes can be women. And yeah, it's, it's very just in its insanity. And, you know, before your workers are relatively new term to be used widely, I think it's only in the last couple of years. I mean, before there was woken as people talk about talked about political correctness a lot. And I spoke about cultural Marxism, which is the ideology behind political correctness, but essentially it's like trying to divide society into oppressor class and classes and victim classes. And so, if you have any characteristics which are considered to be victim characteristics, and this is a Marxist kind of ideology. You know, the original Marxist ideology was that society was dividing into oppressors and the oppressed, the workers were the oppressed, the business owners were the oppressors. And if you could create class consciousness among the workers, they would rise up and overthrow the oppressors, take control of all the capital and society, and then we would live in a wonderful utopia. But it doesn't work like that because every time Marxism has been tried, you know, society just breaks down into acrimony and there's hunger and there's tyranny and there's death. It doesn't work. But, you know, this is the same ideology behind what we call wokeness now. So, you know, for example, let's take race as one example of a characteristic. So, you have the whole Black Lives Matter movement, which sprung up again after George Floyd was killed in Minneapolis. And he was killed by policemen and it was terrible how he was killed. But there's no evidence that actually that was a racist event. That was just, you know, for policemen, they weren't all white and, you know, they stopped the blood going to his head. It's horrible, but that was then used and weaponized into suggesting that all white people are bad and oppressors and all Black people are victims. And therefore we need to change society in order to overcome systemic racism because everything is systemically racist and we need to change the language we use. We need to change the way we hire people. We need to give Black people, you know, easier conditions to get a job, to be promoted to a job, to go to university, which I think in a way is very patronizing to Black people to treat them differently to white people. So, you know, Black people are not capable of standing on their own two feet and competing as individuals in their own right. So it's a complete opposite to the idea that everyone is an individual and has opportunity and is responsible for themselves and their own actions. It is the ideology that you have a group identity and you are a victim because of your group identity. And also the dangerous thing is if you have a group identity, then you can be considered innocent or there will be mitigating circumstances for you if you commit a crime. So for example, you know, if you're white and, you know, you commit you murder someone, for example, you know, the full force of the law will be thrown at you quite rightly so. But if you're Black, sometimes the judge will go, oh, well, you're Black, therefore, you're a victim. Well, so therefore, there's a mitigating circumstance and you're not really responsible for the things you did. So we'll give you a lighter sentence or no sentence at all or a suspended sentence. So equality before the law goes out of the window. You know, what we should be doing is what we've always done in this country is say that you as an individual are responsible for your own actions and you face the consequences of your own actions and you reap the rewards of your own actions if they're good. And so so wokeness changes our society completely and inverts society into something that it shouldn't be. And just, you know, corrodes and corrupts our English, British, Western culture. Yes, it's getting people to lose the spiritual battle by focusing on difference by creating massive division where we should all see ourselves as a manifestation of the universe, which we all are. We're all carbon molecules, you know, David is me, I'm David. These molecules this week might be part of David next week. It's it's it's this beautiful something that I'm not clever enough to describe and this notion that we should focus on difference all the time focus on differences. What do they say they say that if you want to control people you you use division divide and conquer. Yeah, it is divide and conquer is a big part of this, you know, the race is just one thing. Another terrible thing is men and women, you know, using biological sex or gender to divide men and women and create acrimony between men and women. I mean, I think there's a right relationship you have between a man and a woman. But when society and the sort of woke warriors, the social justice warriors try to get everybody to believe again that men are the oppressors. Women are always oppressed and women need to get angry at men, rise up and overthrow the patriarchy. And you know, again, this idea that all men are guilty. You know, you had the Me Too movement in 2017 that's gone on. They even suggested all men are rapists, which is really absolute nonsense, you know. But then again, that creates division that shouldn't be there. We should be living together in beautiful harmony between men and women. But, you know, moving on further from that, they just throw absolute insanity into it. I mean, to the level of, you know, George Orwell. I mean, you know, the hero of 1984, if you can, what is it Winston Smith and he was in the fight. You've got it. The final scene. I don't know. There's something like, you know, the guy says, how many fingers am I holding up five fingers? These are five fingers, say they're five fingers and I'll set you free. And he has to just say something that completely isn't true. You know, now we have the whole transgenderism thing, which is utter insanity. You know, you're either a man or you're a woman. And they're saying that, you know, if you're a man and you say you're a woman, you are a woman. It's because you say you're a woman, even though you're not. And you have to affirm that otherwise you're transphobic and you may be out of a job for not affirming some complete insane unreality. You know, this is where we're at. And when people first started talking about transgenderism as like 2015 and I just thought this is a joke. This is absolute madness. This is never going to go anywhere. But it's been absolutely quite incredible and shocking to see year by year by year more and more people take this seriously and jump on the transgender train. And now you even have the Prime Minister. Well, he's not going to be Prime Minister much longer, but couldn't give a straight answer as to what a woman is. And half of the contestants to be the next Prime Minister even give a straight answer to the question, what is a woman? And they go there and repeat these insane mantras about transgenderism. I mean, this is really absolute madness that we're in. It's almost like the last days of Rome before the collapse of Rome. Isn't it really? And unless we get back to some kind of sanity, you know, I fear for the future of our civilization. Yes, gosh, so much to say on that topic, David, isn't there? What we should be doing is encouraging people to realise you're beautiful from birth. You're perfect. Doesn't matter how, you know, you are unique, you're individual. The notion that someone could start chopping bits off their body and having drugs to make bits grow into the opposite. And then possibly, and this happens 10 years later going, oh, shit. That was like a phase I went through. I was confused because I was like 12 years old. Yeah, we should. We should be empowering people to realise that you're all perfect. Doesn't matter. You know, you might wake up feeling a bit fine. I think we all feel a bit like. I certainly have in my life. I felt a bit like this one day. Next month, I feel a bit like I don't want to go making such drastic changes. But again, it's it's all about muddy in the lines, isn't it? Creating the division, focusing on the ego, rather than making people understand that we're all born a part of this beautiful universe. You are. And on that note, same thing with immigration, isn't it? It's destroying the the so obviously destroying the culture of Europe. And in our case, Great Britain, by which I mean England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales. And it's been an onslaught. You know, it's been an onslaught. The woke amongst you might go, yeah, what's wrong with it? Well, what's wrong with it is you you're fragmenting cultures and communities. You're interjecting a complete. I'm going to use word alien, but I'll probably get into trouble for that. But, you know, I mean, for example, and I mean, no disrespect. I've traveled the world because I love people, you know, and I love I love life. But when I was in Pakistan, I remember a guy pulled out his pistol and gave it to me when Chris have a shoot at that. So I was like, oh, OK, he went, yeah, I shot my wife in the face with that one. I'm like, all right, OK, what did she do then? Oh, she wanted to divorce me, right? My girlfriend had a Swedish girlfriend for a number of years. She was working in a supermarket in Norway. We both were at the time ready to go traveling. One night to I think it was Sudanese guys come in with a machine gun pointed at her and went, give us all the money. My girlfriend being Swedish, they're just so naive to this, you know, illegality. They were very honest or for the for the most she looked to the mind. Why? Yeah, right. You know, I could go on. We had a situation and my my my degree is in youth work or youth and community work. And I was a substance misuse specialist for a number of years. And there was one house here in my city where, you know, for the sake of the podcast, it's to say a gang from a certain community would go and repeatedly rape this girl with learning disabilities because she she couldn't she couldn't say no. And I'm not judging anyone here, folks. I'm trying to say you've got to understand culture. You've got to understand as major, major differences in cultures from communities from from from part of the world. Before you adopt the happy, you know, happy, clappy. Oh, we're all the same. We're all one world. Yeah. But, you know, and what's it doing on top of what we've seen for the last couple of years, you know, we've got everyone forced into the home cocoon. We've got everyone communicating through zoom. We've we've got fragmented communities in that respect. And then we're on layering on top of that multi ethnicism. It's at what point do you wake up and see that this is an agenda against you? All of it. All of it. Yeah. Well, true diversity is when, you know, on a global scale is when you have different countries with different cultures and everyone can thrive among their own community and people. There's nothing wrong with that. But you know, but no one is actually saying to African countries, you should have more diversity. You should have more immigration. No one's saying to China or India, you should have more diversity and immigration. It only seems to be Western countries, white countries where there's somebody saying, you've got to have more immigration. And if you don't accept that, you're racist. No one's saying to Kenyans, you're racist. If you don't want Arabs coming to your country, you know, Israel is rejecting black people from their country. No one's saying to Israel. Oh, you're racist. But if someone in England says that, like Enoch Powell did is apparently he's the biggest racist in the world. He wasn't. I think he was right. He was just before his time. And actually everything he said is going to happen. It's happened. But he wasn't he wasn't racist against people. He was just warning that if you have mass immigration, it's going to cause trouble, particularly, you know, people coming in at such a rate that they don't understand your culture. The people here don't understand the cultures of people coming here. So it's going to create frictions and ghettos and stuff. So let's just hold on before we have mass immigration and say a question, is this a good thing or not? I don't think it is. It's not good for us. It's not good actually for the countries that people are coming from because, you know, you get Western politicians all the time saying, we want to open up for the best and brightest to come. But that's brain draining those countries of the bare best and brightest people. So, you know, doctors, graduates, engineers, IT professionals, accountants from across the, you know, Southern world, if you like, are leaving their countries coming to live in Europe and in the United States and benefiting our economy to some extent, but then they're not benefiting their own countries. And so they're left with their best and brightest people having fled and gone. So it's not good for those countries who are losing their best people either. You know, that's the other side of the coin, which is also something you need to consider. Yeah, massively. And it explains why the, I call it the agenda. Why they've bombed the hell out of the Middle East and they've bombed the hell out of North Africa and they purposely created this waves of immigration. And for friends at home, if you struggle into the grass, it's just, think of one simple thing. And that is that the statistical, if I'm right in saying this, UK family growth is going down. Like we have less, we've had less children as time has gone on. We're getting a massive influx of people that traditionally have way more, more children. So it is a fact. You can see this on the internet. That you're going to become a minority in your own homeland. If you're okay with that. I guess there's not much. It was an Oxford University professor calculated by 2066. White British people would be a minority in the UK by 2066. I mean, that's only 45 years away. The white people will be a minority. White British people, I mean, there may be some Polish people and so on, but it won't be longer and much further after that than white people as a whole, including Polish and German and American and Australians living here, will be a minority in the UK. Some people who are progressives, they think that's a good thing, but they tend to be people who hate this country and who hate this country's culture and want it to change and want the whole world to become just a homogenised monoculture. I don't think that's a good thing. I don't think we should have a monoculture around the whole world. I think we should try to preserve our own distinct cultures in all of our different countries and all of our different regions as well. But that's not going to happen if we have mass immigration to such an extent. But again, that suits the big global corporations because they like to have monoculture when no one feels rooted into any particular country or family or community because then they can have the same regulations everywhere. They can have the same advertising campaigns everywhere and they can make more profit. That's what it's all about. On one level, it suits the big global businesses and their chief executives. But it's not good for ordinary working people or it's certainly not good for the cultures and maintaining the traditions of different countries around the world, which are all wonderful and beautiful and we're going to lose them if we have this continuing homogenisation. Yeah, exactly. The reason you travel, isn't it? It's going to see a different culture. You don't want to go travel to see some porridge. Where it's pretty much the same everywhere in Europe is the same... Well, I was talking to a friend of mine who lives up in the Highlands in Scotland the other day and he's saying people come to visit Scotland. They want to see Scottish people. But you have a lot of hotels now that are run by Polish people or Qatari people. They put in Eastern Europeans. They do a wonderful job. It's great. Nothing against them individually. But you lose that kind of Scottish culture. People don't go to Scotland, for example, to meet Polish people or Brazilians. They go there to see Scottish people wearing kilts and playing the bagpipes. So if you lose that, it's gone. David, listen, it's been so wonderful chatting to you I knew I'd really enjoy this chat. Let's go on to something lighter now because you've travelled quite a lot. Your original heritage, you mentioned it to me before. Yeah, yeah. So my mum's English. My dad's Jamaican. I never met my dad, actually, because he left before I was born. My mum's passed away now. But I was brought up with my mum in Sussex. So I grew up here. I grew up in England. So I'm pretty, essentially, consider myself English, British. I went to university in St Andrews. Obviously, four years in Scotland was wonderful as a young man. And then after then, I became a chemistry teacher. So I taught chemistry and science for nearly 20 years, both in the UK. But I also realised that you can use your job as a teacher to travel. So I actually got a job. Jobs teaching chemistry in different countries around the world, which is fantastic. So I spent two years in Botswana, two years in Bosnia Herzegovina, two years in the USA, and one year in Bermuda teaching as well as teaching in the UK. So that was really fantastic to be able to use my job to travel and see the world as well. And then after then, I got into politics. Mate, you were lucky to come back from Bermuda because the Bermuda Triangle makes people disappear. I was a little bit worried, you know, flying on the plane to this little island, you know, which is 600 miles from the nearest bit of land. It's tiny, you know, Bermuda. Really, it's small, you know, this little atoll in the middle of the Atlantic. So you can see how people might get lost in olden days trying to find it. But I was OK. I got out. And chemistry teacher, can you get me some of that magnesium stretch? Do you, mate? Everyone loves magnesium, yeah. Mate, I'll pay, I'll shove you a bit of cash, mate. You can get me some of that I was like the highlight of school was lighting that stuff. Yeah, when I first started as a teacher, you know, we were trusted to like, you know, I could have a key to the storeroom and I could go and get whatever I wanted and I could experiment and like try things out. But as time went on, you know, they stopped that and later on I wasn't even allowed to have access to the chemicals. Even as a chemistry teacher, I had to go through a technician. It was all kept under lock and key. I mean, so things have changed so much just over 20 years of being a teacher, you know, from being sort of trusted and free to being sort of like not trusted so much. It's a very strange change in culture. But no, I did love doing all the experiments when I could do anyway. Ask us a bloody breaking bad, mate. What was it? Chemistry teacher decides to make crystal meth. Cooking, yeah. I better stop there. Yes, yes. People get the wrong idea. Yeah, I wouldn't, I never would have ever tried to make drugs, folks, honest. So, favourite place you've travelled to? In fact, I'll jump in and say I went to... Oh, my God, I've forgotten it. Belize, right? Stayed on some of the kai, so the small islands. And the scuba diving and the snorkeling there was... It just blew everywhere else I'd been. And I'd been diving in all the places you'd think of in the world. But in Bermuda, they managed the national parks so well that it was just chock full of life, there's lobsters everywhere, sharks swimming in, manatees... And the fish life, it was like snorkeling or diving in an aquarium. It was just absolutely incredible. People always say, Chris, what's your favourite place? And I always say England, and then I'd say that place. Have you got any favourites, David? For travelling. One of my favourite places always will be is Thailand. I've been to Thailand quite a few times. It's just so beautiful. People are lovely, so friendly, so welcoming. Again, I did a bit of scuba diving when I was there, just like a beginner's course. It was amazing. But amazing times. I think it's one of these places that people say, I wish I'd been there 10 or 20 years ago. Well, I did go 20 years ago. It was just so lovely and unspoiled. And the most amazingly beautiful beaches and beautiful food and beautiful atmosphere. I've had some great times in Thailand. It was just wonderful. Mate, should we just get a ticket and go to Samson Island? Bring it all back to you. I rocked up in Thailand in 90... I think it's 92. I think I flew there from Hong Kong. And first night in Bangkok, oh my God, I got in a scrap with this bouncer. So this Thai gangster type. And he broke my nose. And in the ensuing, it just went on all night. I think I did a video on it if anyone wants to know more. We got treated like kings from that point on after this wrongdoing was done to a westerner. The manager of the club came out and he was like, I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry. Anything you want all night, they laid on this evening for us. We had a couple of, can we call them chaperones, these two beautiful Thai girls. And they took us out on the town. And for some reason, only known to them, they thought the first place we'd want to visit would be a boy bar. And I'm bloody so glad they did because I have the experience now and you won't find this in Thailand now. It's all too regulated. But of going in this club and just seeing a site that I won't ever forget. It was like, you don't see this down Plymouth Union Street. It was insane. It was insane. But yes, the land of the smiles and quite rightly so. David, it's been absolutely wonderful. I think this was the great thing, wasn't it, about the, I don't even know what you call them, gatherings in London. Freedom rallies, that's what I used to call them. Freedom gatherings. The great thing was you could just talk to people and you didn't have that mental block. People were receptive to what you had to say and you could have that level of conversation that you just kind of miss in life. So thank you for having one of those conversations with me today. That's really great. Great to talk to you, Chris. Yeah, to everybody at home, please. David's more prolific on Twitter than I am. So please go and check out David's website. We're going to put all the links below, David. So don't worry, don't have to say them now. And we'd love to have you back on the podcast any time that you'd like, David. These chats are gold and I thank you and I send all my love to you and your family. Stay on the line so I can thank you properly after we push the record button off to everybody at home. Massive love to you all too. Thank you so much for joining this special episode of the Boughtless T-Shirt podcast. 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