 that happen. All right. Yep, I see it. And have a good meeting, everyone. Thank you so much. Welcome, Yvonne. Nice to see you. Okay, and I, hi, I do believe that Alexis will be joining us at some point. So I'm going to go ahead and let me just pull up my agenda here. And I'm going to call to order the June 21 meeting of the African Heritage Reparation Assembly at 202 p.m. Pursuant to chapter 20 of the acts of 2021, this meeting will be conducted via remote means. Members of the public who wish to access the meeting may do so via Zoom or by telephone. No in-person attendance of members of the public will be permitted, but every effort will be made to ensure that the public can adequately access the proceedings in real time via technological means. So welcome to everyone. We have a very specific agenda today. But before we get into that, let's go through and make sure everyone can be heard and can hear us. So let's start with you, Dr. Rose. Here and I can hear. Great. Dr. Shabazz. Yes, also here and can see. Okay, Hala. Yes, I can hear you and I think you can hear me. Can hear you. Yes, and Yvonne. Yes, I can. I can, but I know my internet is a little spotty. So if I get dropped, I'll get back in and I might need to turn my camera off in order to stay in the meeting. Sure, that's no problem. Okay, great. So today's particular, today's agenda is particular to our request to designate cannabis tax revenue for the town council to designate cannabis tax revenue for reparations. We have a meeting with the finance committee at 3pm, in which this will be discussed. And I want to share with you I'm going to start to share my screen here in a second. Just give me a quick second here. Okay. Actually, you know what? I'm going to stop to share real quick. Before I go into that, just taking a moment to pause see if there are any just immediate sort of comments or questions. I wanted to say I thought it was an excellent Juneteenth weekend, both Saturday and Sunday. And I saw on Facebook, Dr. Chavez on Monday looked like some really great stuff happening as well. So that's fantastic. And so before I jump in, are there any comments or questions right now from the committee? Okay. All right. No. Share my screen. And let's see here. All right. Can everyone see the screen? Yeah. Okay. So we met last week. And we had a very good discussion I thought about policy proposal that I had brought forward. We made some adaptations to it. We talked about a couple of different, a couple of different ideas around modeling versus designating the cannabis tax revenue. We talked about number amounts. Since then, I have had what I thought was a really great meeting with Sean and Sonia. So Sean is our finance director at the town and Sonia is the comptroller. And we had a discussion so that I could understand from their perspective, where they were coming from in terms of our request and their concerns, the challenges that the town is facing financially in the coming years. And I thought it was a really good discussion. And they started off by stating very clearly, Sean stated very clearly that it may appear like resistance and sort of acknowledging that the town council made a commitment to reparations. And there are lots of other really pressing and demanding initiatives that the town is undertaking right now, including two new departments Cress and DEI. And as and maybe for AHA members, it's not clear that the town also hired four new firefighters that are being funded currently through ARPA funds, and will need to be worked into the budget. So with that discussion in mind, Sean felt like he could support as the finance director, a model in which we begin by sort of what we talked about last week, a hybrid model, where we begin by modeling the appropriation annually off the cannabis tax revenue. And then at some point, once DEI once Cress and once the four firefighters are worked into the budget and more stable switching over to designating the cannabis tax revenue in FY 26. So that's what you'll see reflected here in this policy, which is basically everything that we discussed last week. And including concerns, I think that counselors, so we're looking for broad support, we want this to be supported by the town council, we want it to feel like a meaningful, significant and responsible policy that we're putting forward here. So just going through each of these items. Again, I used that base appropriation, which comes from the FY 21 actual cannabis tax revenue. We talked about the $2 million. So the appropriations would expire once the fund has reached that $2 million mark. And again, this is just related to the cannabis to this policy. So if we are to get CPA funds, for example, that is not included in this commitment. And then the appropriations come from certified free cash in FY 23, 24 and 25, and then beginning in 26 come from cannabis tax revenue. There will be an annual review by the finance committee during the drafting of the budget policy guidelines. And this is to determine the health of the budget and the health of the finances in the town on a yearly basis, which happens anyway, and is as a part of our process. And then we will this piece is added. So I found a really interesting document today from that that outlines MGL, Hollis or MGL law basically, as it pertains to stabilization funds and how money gets into them, how they're created, how money gets into them and how money gets taken out of them, what sort of votes are needed by a legislative body for those things to happen. So we can pull that up if we want to in a second. But basically, this is saying that we're going to do everything legally. And then we have a possible use of funds here. And then at the bottom, it says that the full plan and eligibility criteria will be recommended by the HR, HR and their final report and approved by the town council. And I see coming into the finance committee meeting, this is what we'll be proposing. And I see two potential points of two challenges or two potential points of discussion, let's call it that let's call them opportunities. And I will talk with you about what those are in a minute, but first just wanting to pause and take comments and questions about this. Yes, Dr. Shavas. So I would just say all of this looks very consistent with our discussions and particularly feedback that I offered. So I have no, I'm very appreciative of all the work you've done to try and, and workshop this through staff and town staff and, and other counselors and on the finance committee and to kind of get a sense of what, what might meet some of the expectations that your colleagues on the finance committee have. I, I know there is this continuing and abiding concern about possible use of funds. It, you know, I, I can, I guess go along with a lot of seeing that but that bullet point go in. I again, really feel as though it kind of encroaches on the community discussion. It kind of encroaches on the community consultative process for us to already be outlining at this point where the funds may go. These are, I get the point of possibilities and for those that, that need to have to hear that, see that, you know, maybe as a, as an asterisk or whatever, but, but in some ways that's the only thing that rankles me a little bit on, on this listing toward trying to get a policy through. But, but again, I, I salute you and all, all your efforts and that's what I'll submit to at this stage for a discussion. Thank you, Dr. Shabazz. And I want to point out that I don't see any reason that the use of funds would come into a motion at this time. This was more or even into the policy. I think this is more to give counselors some sense and I did pull these from the Encobra website from their suggestions for municipal reparation benefit ideas. So I agree this may not be comprehensive for our community and I also don't believe it needs to be incorporated into a motion at this point as we're creating this policy. Yes, Dr. Rhodes. All right, so you just said something. So the possible use of funds will not be a part of the motion. Is that correct? I don't believe that it needs to be. You know, we'll have to wait and see when we get there, but my, I don't, I believe that the motion that will get the broadest support in finance committee and on the council will be much, will be more simple and include just the financial aspects and not the uses. So the uses are really there just to give any counselor or counselors a sense of what may be because one of the concerns we heard by a couple counselors is, well, what is the money going to be used for? But I don't think it will be in a motion, but please, yeah, Dr. Rhodes, please, what we're going to So under the possible use of funds, under direct, under direct materials benefits, I certainly would add youth entrepreneurship and scholarships and I'll talk more about that. And the other one would be recreational program. You're going to guess my spelling skills. Okay, youth entrepreneurship and scholarships and what was the second one? Recreation, recreation programs. Now, the reason for youth entrepreneurship and scholarships is that I would like to see one of the national youth entrepreneurship programs happen here in Amherst and there are a couple of them and one of them I directly participated in years ago as a director and also as a teacher of youth entrepreneurship especially in New Orleans after Katrina and some of those programs when you bring them in require that people pay for them so having scholarships as a part of them is one way to ensure that especially African-American citizens, students, kids will be able to participate and obviously the recreation programs is something that we need to be mindful of especially in light of the ARPA money that's in process of being spent about $500,000 where they're exploring recreation programs and those programs ones that have in one sense a specific emphasis for minority students. Excellent. Okay, excellent. Yes, Yvonne. Is there any mention, maybe I missed it, of using funds for education because we're going to end up doing that right with some of these funds about not just scholarships but programs that will educate or inform people about moving forward with reparations? I think that's a great question Yvonne and I think that's a separate discussion related to our operating budget that we need as we begin to go into education and engagement of the community and I've talked a bit with Paul about that already we had some money that he had set aside from last year we used about half of that now for the black census but we have more and we have a small seed fund of the $206,000 in there so if we put together a budget for operating expenses that include educating, engaging the community we can bring that forward and ask for the council to approve that at any point so that's a separate sort of matter from this if that makes sense. Thank you. Sure, yeah absolutely. So let me, Dr. Rhodes, your hand is still up. No, I'm done, I'm done. Okay, I would like to, I don't see Hala's hand raised yet but Hala please let me know if you'd like to jump in here. I, what I wanted to spend a little time on is addressing the two matters that I think will be the points of discussion at the finance committee. The first matter is whether this should be a policy that's fully modeled off of cannabis tax revenue whether this should be a policy that's hybrid as we've suggested here and again that was the recommendation of Sean this morning in my conversation with him and then the third being whether we're talking about a full designation that does not include modeling but is an earmark which we've had the most amount of challenge with I think. The second matter that I believe we will have an opportunity to discuss is the total commitment that we're looking for. I don't believe that the yearly or the annual appropriation will be a major discussion I believe that the two million that we are recommending may be a point of discussion and so with both of those being that I'm the only one in our group that can make an amendment to a motion that could be brought at the finance committee meeting I'd like to get direction from you about where you'd like me to go so for example if a motion comes forward that's based fully off of modeling or can we live with that as long as we are clear that the intention is that we're modeling it off of the cannabis tax revenue for all of the reasons that we've outlined is morally and ethically important and if let's say a motion says appropriations to reach one million or a million and a half would you like me to make a counter motion or a motion to revise the motion that's on the table for example to take us up to that two million and before I open it for discussion and it doesn't mean it will be approved but I'd like to get um I'd like to get your sense of that so those are the two the two things that the sort of function the modeling versus the designation or the earmark and the total appropriation um just be it's important to understand that this is a finance committee recommendation in my mind it carries a lot of weight it is important because this is the body that is tasked with really understanding the health the financial health of the town and so the more consensus we can get the better that being said we could make a recommendation as a finance committee and at council when it comes as recommended to the full council another entire discussion is going to happen that could change um it's not necessarily going to mirror 100 percent what the recommendation from the finance committee is so just to be clear on that so taking comments now on those two matters yes dr shabas thank you that that was a lot so i'm gonna try to address it the best way i can think about addressing it and that's first of all to say you know the um the two million dollar figure i recommend it is really a floor it's not a ceiling so in terms of if that becomes a a point of discussion relative to the finance committee recommendation the you know negotiating and haggling for for less um over less is um i i just can't even begin to think about the the scenarios around that um the the real issue here that i see is you know where we're it seems as though we're backing into um into we're putting ourselves in a box here we started out with this as a recommendation around one funding stream one funding stream we were trying to identify and trying to get a sense of the council if there might be a will to um capture that funding stream for the purpose of the reparative justice plan we've been charged to develop it now seems as though even though you know it has there from cannabis tax revenue the the sense that i'm getting as you talk about these possibilities of the debate around the finance committee recommendation it almost sounds like you know we're we're we're in a box now of what the whole funding package might be you know odd infinitum around reparative justice black reparations in and amherst and and and so it it's a it's a it creates a a feeling a bit of anxiety that where we move we're moving from just one funding stream to begin to see what we have so to speak no pun intended what we have in the pot to to begin to develop proposals and and go through a consultative process with the community around it now seems as though we're we're we're we're moving toward defining the total financial commitment that the town may be prepared to put in on this forever and and that that just feels feels bad at this point you know the so for me coming back to the the one other part of the question modeling versus a direct earmark vote versus some type of hybrid well around that i'm clearly in the middle which i see kind of consistent with what's on the screen because again as i see it from the current fiscal year we're in the if if any contribution is to be made this year this year in october in november whatever at all from a certified free cash if any contribution is to be made this year the way it was done last year it's got to come through this process okay cannabis earmark isn't even going to touch that whether you made it for the for you know for whenever you made it for it's not going to touch this year's contribution to reparative justice it's not going to affect next year's contribution okay and then hearing the concerns about the financial picture the cliff and all of this i was prepared to say let's not even try to to address an earmark for fiscal year 24 or 25 if there are those concerns let's go with the free cash certified free cash process to the extent there may or may not be anything there relative to other financial commitments relative to the percentages you want to maintain and all of the other discussion we've heard maybe there won't there'll be zero in fiscal year 24 contributed or or from fiscal year 25 i get all of that okay but it's about a projection it's about what we're what what we're willing to put ourselves on record to trying to do by 26 i feel if the financial picture the working in of these four firefighters the working in of crest the working out of of the office of equity and inclusion and getting a sense of the needs of those units those new departments and and and our firefighting force and then the big pack capital projects looming and inflation and recession and everything else i get all of that so for me i i'm totally backed away from trying to ask for a direct earmark beginning in the most immediate fiscal year possible i'm not asking for that i i've been persuaded that that's not um something even uh remotely possible or wise so i'm done with that but i'd like say that we would come back to the conversation in fiscal year 26 okay and and begin now to say sort of put that on the horizon if you will so i'm clearly for that part of the process now this the question of of the the two million and and haggling over that i don't even know why that's necessary per se if we're committing ourselves to this process of earmarking based not earmarking but process of continuing to strive to make an annual contribution based upon the initial step taken last year of 200 000 that we're committed to that for the coming fiscal year if anything is certified from certified free cash is available as close to 200 as possible put it away the next year put it away on to 26 then let's see where we are from there that to me i've been persuaded makes the most sense fiscally doesn't tie the hands of the council as it looks to go into financial hard times and so i'm i'm just there but i don't really know about the at this point with that idea in mind as the approach that you know two million and haggling over you know to a million and and how finite this thing is this is just blowing my mind that in order to get this this little approach we're trying to take done we've got a we've got to go ahead and nail down the ceiling of what's possible here i'm really having a hard time with that yeah and i really appreciate that dr shabazz and i will say that i don't think this is necessarily a ceiling in the sense that i feel very strongly that the two million dollar commitment is that's the number that we've discussed it's meaningful it's significant i ran some numbers um and again we looked at evanston and what their budget is four times ours and i understand that we are not evanston but it's sort of in line and i know they did a lot of work to understand to come to that 10 million um and i crunch some numbers looking at this as an endowment as we've talked about and i really believe that getting it up to that two million dollar mark is really important and so i will definitely be pushing for that personally as a counselor in in committee but i don't believe that it's a ceiling and i say that because as the program gets underway as we begin to direct benefits um and as other initiatives of the town become stabilized there's absolutely an opportunity at any point in any council in any review of the budget guidelines annually for us to or for the ceiling to raise higher and so i i know that maybe doesn't make you feel a whole lot better but i do see that there's possibility for increasing that number down the line i think what's most difficult right now is the concerns about the financial picture ahead and the challenges and and sort of the unknowns with all of the things you mentioned like inflation and all of the other challenges that we've talked about quite a bit now um dr roads i just want to make sure we're clear on at least myself want to be clear on this when we say model uh after economic cannabis uh what i understand that the mean is that uh the uh money that will go and go to the ahra fund uh in terms of going in to the stabilization fund is that uh if for example uh fiscal 23 uh certified cash uh we would say that that number that goes into the ahra fund and the stabilization fund will be the amount the similar to the amount of money that was came through uh the cannabis for instance if it was 200,000 then the free cash the free cash is there for 200,000 then 200,000 would go in there for fiscal 23 whatever it was in fiscal 24 would go there and fiscal 25 etc is that what we're talking about that's my understanding yeah um of what the modeling looks like so we would be looking at like for example last year in f y 22 they looked at f y 21 actual numbers of cannabis tax revenue um to make that appropriation from certified free cash so uh you know there's risks and and benefits um we aren't sure what the trending is going to look like in terms of um the cannabis tax revenue given what we've talked about in uh there being competition um in the community surrounding us being that we've lost one recreational facility however we I believe have the capacity in Amherst to go up to eight recreational um and so I think that's another reason why the two million dollar for example um why the two million dollars is important or having that is because um it may be that one year only 150,000 comes in for cannabis tax revenue and then in two years from now it might be up to 300 you know or depending on how things go so there is I think last week I shared with you what Sean had projected um for the next several years which is basically 200,000 a year and I think he's projecting that conservatively but not too conservatively given that the numbers that they um were throwing around from this year which were definitely lower does that answer your question doctor yeah and and and I think that that's um I I like that model because it it does say exactly what's going to go into uh the um stabilization fund and what and and and the um the the number will be determined by what cannabis brought in uh so and so I go along with it I also want us to really understand that uh that is really a better alternative than to go with an airmark and the reason for that is that uh everyone is saying that literally that the HRA will stand stand behind the firefighters the other areas um such as uh DEI uh and and and those three things are big uh those are big numbers as it moves through uh when I hear that you got the firefighters funded by AARP money uh we know that for fiscal 23 and 24 uh 24 is that money disappears to AARP it has to be spent by the end of fiscal uh 24 AARPA yeah yeah our money has to has to be spent by the end of fiscal 24 that's federal law so you can imagine what that means if you get firefighters uh the DEI and Crest uh fundamentally being funded by temporary funds and those funds disappear uh and yet they are still a part of the budget that's a huge number that number will come back to haunt this town physically for years to come so I want us to have our eyes open that this this if the council votes to approve it at least guarantees us that we will have money going into that fund regardless of the physical situation that the town will be facing in the future because they're committing to putting that money in there based upon what has been raised with the cannabis but not coming from cannabis money thank you Dr. Rhodes and and I think you know part of this is also really having a bit of um trust um developing trust between all of us that I think we're all trying to put our best foot forward here um and we're all trying to build this fund um and you know like anything the financial picture will need to be considered um annually but I think what you said Dr. Rhodes about you know making this meaningful and being assured that this fund will be developed over time um through that method so um it's 237 and I do think there are uh one or two people or three people in the participants so I'm going to pause for a second to Dr. Schwarz is your hand raised no okay I'm going to go ahead and pause and call for public comment and then uh we'll have a little more time for discussion after that so I'll just read the public comment statement during the public comment period the chair will recognize members of the public when called upon please identify yourself by stating your name pronouns and residential address residents are welcome to express their views for up to three minutes at the discretion of the chair based upon the number of people who wish to speak uh we won't respond um except in unique circumstances sometimes I have seen that done but generally speaking we will not respond but we'll be listening closely um and so if you'd like to speak please raise your hand by using the raise hand function and I see Lauren so I'm going to move you in Lauren just give me one second here all right Lauren we you're here hi hope you can hi yes okay um yes I live uh at um Long Middle Drive Long Middle Drive South Amherst and um I first wanted to say it was a beautiful weekend and I really appreciate all the the work that went into the um the Juneteenth tour and the celebration on the common um and my I just got a new phone and I had to um trade it with my daughter in order to to speak and use the computer so I had a lot of notes but as usual someone you know has to use my phone but anyway um I had a few um notes and one of the the uh issues that I have is that with the term BIPOC I don't think it's realized that you know black people in Amherst or around the country can be black they can be indigenous and they can be people of color at the same time and I think that throughout this conversation of reparations it seems that there there's always this um issue of bringing up other communities that may need reparations or you know are in need of restorative justice which is true but in in the work of of this assembly and also the the the the things that have occurred especially in 2020 have happened to a particular community and obviously affect all of us but they continue to happen to pretty much black people and so I really think that it's important for the assembly and also going forward with the conversation of reparations to really you know focus on that and not lose the focus and I so I just want to say that and also I just also feel like um there hasn't been enough outreach to communities of color or BIPOC or black heritage however you want to put it to really put a you know certain numbers in you know this policy and I would rather see a vote postponed if it if you guys want to come come down to a vote I just don't think that it's really fair to put certain you know dollar amounts or even like how the money would be used without really consulting a body of BIPOC or African Heritage community members so I'll just leave that at that I always have more to say but I'll leave it there thank you Lauren thank you very much and I just took notes while you were speaking so thank you um is if there's anyone else that would like to make public comment please raise your hand just wait a second okay so not seeing any so just coming back here for the last few minutes that we have um to see if there are any additional comments questions thoughts yes Dr. Rhodes please all right so the reality here is that there is there is a threat uh you know in terms of this model and that is uh is how money gets into the stabilization fund uh given what I'm seeing out there coming up the risk that I see is that um the capital projects that are forthcoming uh are going to um put an incredible strain on on on the on the capital account and therefore there's going to be a lot of pressure to increase the amount of money that would go into capital although that you know as has a ceiling to it but there will be times when the council and the finance director town manager are going to say look we have to um put more money in the capital and if we're going to put more money in the capital uh the way to do that is to use money that would be going into the stabilization fund and direct it to uh the reserve fund uh that is a risk and so all of us should understand that and as far as I'm concerned and you know when I look out over the capital projects that are there I I I I see that the library the school the DPW etc are those those estimates for spending are going to be 20 to 50 higher when we actually go out to bed and there's going to be enormous pressure so we all need to understand that that that's going to be there thank you Erv and remember um I think at the time of our meeting with the finance committee when these matters are being discussed um I know that Andy will give will open the floor um and I think the way he does it is there's not really an order raise your hand uh that's the order so whether you're from the HRA or from the finance committee Dr. Shabazz thank you so my final comment is is a long similar lines to what we heard in public comment the the third event that the person commenting Ms. Mills actually attended um that was held on Monday that was held in her community um really brought out what she's saying in terms of people who are you know part of other ethnic groups or other kinds of identities but also share with with black folk uh we had Dominicans they're joining in the drum circle we had uh you know they're people from from other different nationalities or ethnicities that may not always be identified as uh or not categorically black but uh but but do have black ancestry and do have a connection with uh with us here so um I I concur that you know there is um complexity and um when I as I share my thoughts on the what we've been calling this eligibility question you're going to see that what I'm what I will recommend is that we take a spectrum approach not a binary we got to get out of the binary of American descendants of slavery on the one hand and those who are not American descendants of slavery and if you're not an American descendant of slavery you're out you're out of consideration for for for uh the discussion of reparations versus you know those who who um would would uh uh be categorized as black or african-american but they're not American descendants of slavery what sandedarity estimates uh as only about 10 percent of the total af black african-american population anyway less than 10 percent are are in that group but but for me we we get away from that when we when we approach from a spectrum and by that I mean that we look at the harms across the spectrum and we look at the um uh uh the way in which we can redress uh that and and bring closure to those harms across the spectrum so prioritizing for certain aspects of the Reparative Justice Program things that are specifically targeted to American descendants of of the enslaved specifically in Amherst as residents of Amherst and then being able to look beyond that to other ways in which there are benefits community benefits as you put it in this bullet item that would also extend to other black african-americans who may not be have the lineage criteria meet the lineage criteria of a descendant of being the descendant of an ancestor who was enslaved in the united states of america or in massachusetts or in Amherst but rather embrace all of that the whole spectrum so ancestral bridges folks we were with on saturday some of them actually do fit that criterion of being residents of Amherst who had an ancestor that that goes back to the time in which slavery was still practiced in Amherst was still allowed in legal and practiced in Amherst the thompsons the the uh you know and and others so uh that fought in the civil war and all of that so you know there are some that meet that criteria but we're not limited to just that there are some that are american descendent that are descendants of the enslaved like myself but not in massachusetts or not in Amherst but i live here now yes i would be in the you know be in the program uh for consideration and then even those who come here since 1960 what that are black or african-american that did that have experienced harms of anti-black racism in Amherst would also be if we take us an approach of looking at it on us on a spectrum would also be eligible for consideration and for some discussion about activities benefits that would also address that part of the spectrum so that's i'll be coming with with with my rationales for that and more on that but uh but i just wanted to highlight it now consistent with what we heard from the person in public comment that it it doesn't have to be all one thing or we don't have to be binary about this we can we can take a spectrum approach and as we consider the benefits the eligibility criterion and the kinds of restitution and redress that we that we aim to we try to bring about thank you thanks dr shabazz yeah i appreciate you foreshadowing that and also just addressing lauren's um comments about i i think that we determined in our last meeting that once we get through this piece of financing and finding the revenue stream we're going to turn fully toward engaging with residents of african heritage in the community um and making that our our next very full mission um so i also wanted to just say that when speaking with older woman robin russ simons early on i asked her why she had in her resolution and i believe in the initial resolution and maybe even in the one that committed the funds used the term african americans and not black and what was the rationale you know and um she had said that if she could have a do-over she would have used the word black um as opposed to african american um and so i just put that out there as as some experience anecdote anecdotal experience um okay so are there any other comments or questions in closing before we will close out this meeting and then we will you'll enter in um i believe just on the link for the finance committee meeting you didn't receive a particular panel invite for that right last time we just entered you entered in okay um so that what's that doctor how do we enter into this meeting this finance yeah um when we get off here i'll send you the agenda and it has the link right in the top you just click on that and then athena will see you and when it's time for that conversation to happen she'll bring you in as a panelist thank you absolutely um and i just check checking the agenda real quick making sure i didn't miss anything so i did not have any um anything that i did not anticipate if there aren't any other member reports or comments then i'm going to move to adjourn the meeting and we'll see you soon is everybody able to be there at the finance committee meeting yes okay you're not able to be there okay um no hollow will you be there at three o'clock okay i'm just doing i'm working and doing double duty so i could up but i won't worry okay we'll see you all and iban will give you an update after the meeting okay you're muted iban can you send me the link in case i can i could probably you like the first 10 or 15 minutes and then i have to bounce absolutely i'm gonna send me the link everybody yeah sure i'll send it to everyone now okay so i'm adjourning at 2 54 p.m and we'll see you soon bye bye