 Yeah, I'm going to record into the cloud so we can record in the same location as usual. Okay, so just sharing the agenda there. Just very first topic. Just want to propose a change to this meeting. Previously we tried to alternate one at a kind of China and European, more European friendly time, just one PM UTC and then every other week was five PM. But just for simplifying the calendars and things like that, I'd like to propose we have the meeting at this time slot every two weeks and we add an additional meeting specifically at one PM UTC which runs monthly. So basically every month we will typically have three meetings if none get cancelled. How does that sound to folks? It would be interesting if we had a discussion about covering the APAC meeting in chat maybe a couple of weeks ago. So basically it's yeah, so one PM UTC almost covers APAC. Yeah, maybe we could make it a bit earlier, so something like 11 AM UTC so that we could cover the time zones better. I know that in such case it becomes more complicated for United States so yeah, maybe a new UTC. We are just shifting it a bit more. Okay, yeah, let's throw that out to the get a chat channel and if you get some consensus then maybe we can do it at that earlier time. And then the other suggestion as well is I've seen this with some communities that we just pre-assign like for the next set of meetings different people to lead the meeting so we can rotate and then it doesn't necessarily always have to be the same person and I think particularly if you're having things in different time zones. So maybe for that it would just be a bit of text outlining what needs to be done, you know propose the agenda a couple of days before run up the meeting and then conduct the meeting or assign someone else to take notes as necessary. Does that sound good in general? I think so. So I'll start reaching out to I'll plan out the next few and we'll put it at the top of the meeting here and just people can volunteer for specific meetings to lead. Okay, so contributor summit retrospective and Oleg did we have is that just to do after get a link? So there are some notes from some notes but we haven't finished processing them so yeah I wanted to have it by this meeting but we've had JSOC final evaluations so yes I would rather postpone it till the next meeting. Okay, yeah no problem let's postpone that and I didn't see any other I guess the JSOC covers a lot of the attendees from the community so Martin and Malki and Natasha and is there anyone else we should reach out to for specific feedback? I guess I'm thinking maybe if folks like Ivelina. If it makes sense. I think Jeff Pierce is one of the mentors as well right? Yeah, it's not coming JSOC. Yeah. So is his feedback covered in JSOC? I believe so. We are still collecting feedback but Jeff was there and we had some discussions already so it's rather a matter of processing this feedback and somehow organizing that because now it's rather bring downs from people. Okay, okay so let's postpone that and then just looking ahead I think we're just saying we've got a number of activities planned for Dev Opsall Jenkins, Will Lisbon, so a hackfest on Monday. Monday, yep. Does anyone have the date? Uh yeah let me. I'm going to bless. December. It's December. Am I right? It's the very beginning of December so December, December, December 2nd. Off by one error. Okay so I'll generally put down these are all day things and we can start just mentioning them to folks so they can start planning to attend and then main conference are the 4th and the 5th. We have December 3rd as workshops and training days. So which one was workshop and training? The 3rd. The 3rd. Yeah. Okay. So some actions before that we had the rolling deck from which we used in the booth last time and I think we can maybe a bit earlier ask people to start adding in any updates making it keeping it up to date putting in any new features and any other things we want to kind of show off to the community so I'll put that there so people can keep editing it and then just mentioning the promotion plan so as people put the blogs out we can keep mentioning to come to Dev Opsall Jenkins will and Alyssa I think you're kind of maybe pulling up some more organized promotion around this. Yeah. So I so for San Francisco you know how I put this in a Google spreadsheet so we're gonna if we're going to share this with outside of CloudBees what is the best document that I should that I should create this in? I don't know maybe just the list of blogs or people who are committing to blogs just that summary of folks who are willing to write things or a place where people can put links to things they've already written which will be part of that pipeline so I don't know a spreadsheet or a shared doc. So a Google spreadsheet would be fine? Okay. Yeah Google Sheets. Okay. But maybe the key thing is just having that kind of bit of text if you want them to include it or artwork that people can see so they can just be pointed out and say hey could you add this to your post when you write it? Okay. So I'll put it in a drive or something. Okay. Okay. So I think that's all at this stage we'll ramp up as we get closer. Anything else on Dev Opsall Jenkins World? I don't think so. Okay. It's Google Summer of Code Oleg do you want to go run with that? Yeah just quick updates there. So yeah basically Google Summer of Code 2019 is over at least coding phases. It's still not over four card means but four card means it never ends. So yeah with our current results we have five projects which reached the final evaluations. So we lost two projects in the first coding phase due to different reasons. Not really the optimization I would say but yeah five projects is still quite an achievement and yeah all projects are pretty good. We generated a lot of content so there are something there are 12 technical blog posts on Jenkins.io. There are also personal blog posts. There are blog posts from other communities which participate in GSOC for example. There is also another contributor from CVC Rama who will be participating next week in the recordings. So yeah we generated some bars and lots of useful features because yeah things like Bitlap multi-branch source was one of the top voted tickets in Jenkins data and yeah finally it's delivered. So yeah I think overall it's a good result. There is still a process and feedback. There is an open retrospective document and if you have any feedback please put it there. Then I think we will just start preparing for the GSOC 2020 and there is also mentor summit ahead so there will be a lot of some more events in the next months. Yeah I think that's wildly successful this year so both in terms of people participating projects and then the way people have engaged with the events and written blog posts. So yeah congratulations to everybody involved. One note that GSOC helps us not only to involve the students it also helps on both the mentors and make them a big one in the community. So this year we had all of previous GSOC students participated as mentors and yeah we also had the mentors who became Orkan means and the project in the community now. So yeah I think it's a really positive thing for the Jinx as an organization. Yeah and I like that succession planning just move everybody up. Well that's what we do. Perfect and you have the event where all the mentors will get together and go together. This time it happens in Germany. Oh okay so no visa is to worry about for some. Yeah no visa well I've got visa approved to you. No I'm just waiting for the passport to come back. Good luck with that. But yeah so regarding mentor summit it will be me and Mark Jackson for going there as the delegates. There is also a lottery so maybe we'll have more people go into the event let's see. But yeah the main piece it's pretty helpful with regards to collaboration between communities and also yeah there is a lot to study because even if it's called mentor summit basically it's rather somewhat for community it's for Orkan means because it's on conference and everything is about it. Yeah that's I've had sounds good things about it. I was going to just mention um so I'm just writing for outreach the next period is coming up very quickly so we have to register the community by September 5th if we want to participate and I spoke to Matt Zicker and he's happy to mentor but what he says is the audit log program project which had been the previous one for the last couple of rounds that's more or less come to the end of its usefulness as a project for interns to work on so he needs he was suggesting if we could find any more ideas or other things that would work which sort of need project suggestions so I was wondering is that something I know GSOC normally does a lot of brainstorming is there somewhere we can look for a pool of previously suggested ideas yes just second post the link basically we can look not only for project ideas we can also look for mentors in GSOC especially for the winter period because there is no so there is some activities for GSOC during the winter but uh not coding and the mentors are more or less free so you can navigate to the link we provided there was something like 27 project ideas some of them are well processed some of them already got potential mentors so they go some feedback so yeah we could use it as a source of projects for reaching yeah basically yeah I will say you say it is a pool for community bridge great one of the leftover stories was about machine learning projects because he really wanted to run this project we had a great mentor team we weren't so successful with regards to student applications so this project is ready to go in a week if you find good students and the way to run that and there are other projects in such state perfect okay yeah I'll start off with that one and then anything else that um yeah if there's any other ones you think you should take a closer look at you can let me know we're definitely in the one to two projects and I think I might like to try to do a documentation one again but against the subject to mentors just because we can widen the scope although yeah again I'm not sure it necessarily markets that well to specific docs folks so regarding the documentation we have a documentation seek meeting tomorrow and I already put a topic about looking for community documentation for you all taking the timing we can do it for outreach so basically for community bridge you don't need to start to try it away so we can apply and see whether we can get students in outreach great perfect okay anything else from anyone comments on google some of code outreachy is there a plan for it should it's respective um let me find out from Matt I think they're wrapping up now I'm meeting with some of the interns as well so we still have some one-to-one schedule just for me to get their feedback and then maybe just a general mentors and everybody can can do that question will be good to do I don't think we've formally done it in the past but I think we can get better at that if you do that perfect perfect so moving on this is going to make a quick question quick comment on kind of social media and a twitter account so I had once upon a time I would do these monthly updates which would just consist of me asking Tyler to download the twitter analytics and then just pulling out some key numbers and posting them to the mailing list but that's just kind of fallen off the radar but I just thought I'd take a moment to highlight the number of followers there but it's something which would be good to kind of revive at some point and similarly for other channels like we chat I think Linux Rick was doing things there and then potentially if there's anybody interested or we can nudge anybody who wants to kind of help out with that I'd love to help enable people to get access so yeah I would like to say the word and I think yeah I already commented in the chat yeah I'm not a native speaker but at least I can follow these three tweets etc especially in the european time zone and the redundant content writing they can cooperate to make it better yeah um so maybe I think the way to do it we have to officially kind of do it just through the governance meeting so I could add it to the agenda for next time well yeah when we have next time governance but basically we have jeb and I believe that this jeb for twitter and this is jeb 13 it's only if they be the delegate we don't really need governance meeting to get it approved we need to be able to delegate to process it yes which in this case is Tyler so maybe I could just ask him to yeah I think it does say in the jeb that we just have to show someone who's been doing contributions and then get get general buy-in and then if everybody approves it then he'll enable it so exactly so maybe different delegates are in okay um and then the Facebook group I don't know anything about that Facebook or LinkedIn who has access and if we should try to revive them yeah so there was one contributor sorry I forgot the name so basically there is a Jenkins Facebook group which has um well quite a lot of subscribers just second they'll find it and for a while there was manual reposting of youtube videos blog posts there but it doesn't want to happen so I wonder whether we could at least set up some arithmetic one so just a second yeah I found the group yeah I don't know listen do you do you know anyone who has access to those no no I don't yeah I have to track that down yeah so there is only one person who has access I believe that I got some kind of access when I was helping these reposting events there yeah yeah so it's Malcolm Brooks who is a manager of this group so yeah reach out to him yeah if you could just set up automatic reposts for Twitter or whatever it would be also a nice start yeah just yeah some additional about some hits okay and then just finally last one is just the gems an event mailing list I think we saw uh with some activity but I listened myself yeah um so I now I'm kind of out of the water from San Francisco at this point so I I'm trying to catch up but um I went into uh the meetup our meetup account last night and I think things has changed a whole lot and I couldn't figure out you know uh some of the things that I was able to do previously I couldn't figure out where to get things done so like you know um Edson wanting me wanting us to make him the organizer I just couldn't figure out how to get that done and so I I chased it up with Max and he's like yeah I know how to get it done and so I met with Max this morning I said where where is it that I'm missing and he's like oh he's not seeing the same thing so they they changed a lot of stuff in meetup so I'm setting a meeting up with the folks at meetup.com for them to walk us through what has changed and you know how we can do the things that we were able to do before now we can't figure out where to find you know how to do it but then also um I will be um I should be able to figure out how to give you Tracy access after I meet with them so that's sorry that's like a long-winded answer. Actually for that meeting um it's would it be possible to find out if we can pick up the conversation about moving it over because uh when Skyler last had an interaction so we were talking about you know how do we move all these meetups uh to a cdf manage meetup pro account and it it was either you know can we hand over our pro account and try you know give that to cdf or the cdf start up its own meetup pro account and then we just move the jams so I think in both cases but I don't really understand one of the things that Skyler reported back was either way there's an impact for the jams because the the URL changes or something like that but I didn't really understand the specifics and I didn't understand if it was the case for both things like you know are we we want it to be as seamless as possible but if there is a cost to moving it we wanted to understand what that is so we can communicate it clearly yeah um so if there's anything you could find out about that because I think that's the only thing preventing us from going ahead uh with we're doing the move and I'd love to do that as soon as possible okay so then um so if we transition over to cdf um so for so right now if I was to go to the meetup.com for Jenkins it will be meetup.com slash pro slash Jenkins as the URL yeah so we'll probably need that changed so then what about all of the um the branding so I guess that would need to change to cdf as well yeah so I expect the way it's going to go is that cdf are going to set up their own meetup pro account but we want to then move the jams across yeah um either wholesale or in consultation with the owners but either way I think the cloudbies one we then kind of mark it to be deprecated uh so we give it an end of life date so only people who if the jams are dead then nobody moves them they don't go anywhere they just kind of go but um ideally if we could just move them all across and just tell people this is happening so they don't really have to care but I don't know if that's reasonable to expect right what do you think all right so one is these moving accounts there should be no problem as long as the the link redirects work but the branding topic which was brought up by Alyssa is quite different so something in the beginning of someone's color took action items to reach out to jam organizers to see whether they would be willing to the brand to continue delivery meetups etc but I would guess it has never happened but that's like what Alyssa's talking about it's just the the landing page for the pro account but that wouldn't affect the branding for each jam could stay a jam if they wanted to so yeah if we just talk about the encoderment then please let's better define was that the case Alyssa like the branding you were talking about um yeah so well that's I can see so just just the the landing page and I guess also the individual pages as well what do we want to do with that so just do we just want to leave that alone as is and I think we want to give people the choice um so they can choose to up level uh to to be continuous delivery meetup or they could stay jams but yeah so this page would change and then this would be cdf but any individual page for example that one um they should be able to keep it exactly as is unless they want to change so if they want to change um then they can so like this this would keep its logo okay but then in addition we would you could also have a tecton area meetup or spinnaker area meetup and it all be kind of shown in this one map it won't be a problem so in the worst case you can just uh at the Jenkins to the search field and they get all Jenkins meetups so sharing the same account will be perfectly fine so so you would do that and then we'd have a report to meetup okay yeah let's try and push ahead with that so if you could kick off those conversations Alyssa and then once if you think the the answers are kind of sound pretty okay then we can connect probably our meetup account exact with the cdf folks one uh and just connect the dots to get that done okay yep i'll let you know yeah i don't know if it's if we did have to get each meetup organizer to actually move the group themselves i don't know how good or bad that is it would be good because you then see which meetups are actively engaged but it would be bad if we just sort of lost a whole bunch but then again if they're not active maybe it's not the worst thing in the world yeah so i i think this is a good time just to revisit the active ones and the non-active ones um so i think this is gonna require some dedicated time and just going through that list um it doesn't make sense for us and unless somebody wants to step up and be the organizer right and if not that it doesn't make sense for us to keep paying for this it's quite expensive like for for ghost meetups uh the what tracy ghost i said ghost meetups as such meetups where just don't run events and yeah have left because yeah i guess it does incur costs plenty of them so the only thing that you if you consider deleting them when organizers step down there are automatic messages being sent to jump participants to see whether somebody wants to keep them running right so if we could do something like that before duration is two week or one month in a period then it would be really helpful yeah yeah that's that's the plan that i i would take you know i just i wouldn't want to just delete it because a lot of these has you know quite a good number of members um in each group so i'm hoping that somebody will be willing to step up but you know if nobody was willing to do it then we need to delete it okay great um yeah so then just coordinate where we need to update how you start the meetups and just redirect that to yeah i think there's a cdf page already that had been started for it i don't know if i'll be able to find it so if folks want to review this as well uh it's the first version of um once it's set up is that linked anything but this would talk about the new process for people joining so this is i think in standard how next foundation run them so any feedback uh we should get those out to our community to see if they have any comments i think the main difference uh was here they expect you to create your own jam and then ask for it to be part of the account rather than getting like i think how we do with the Jenkins and correct me if i'm wrong Alyssa people email and say please could you create me a jam mm-hmm yeah this one is they create the jam they run an event then they asked for it to be added to to the to the pro account okay yeah because we created it under the pro account and then um and then we make the the member organizer so i don't know how it would work if the individual page is already created then links to the pro but i can check with meetup there is an easy way to transition meetups and i think that cd foundations approach is actually pretty good because what we experienced but yeah there are many people requesting meetups but in many cases there have never been meetups in meetup groups we created uh if a person is a organizer's first meetup even if cdf helps with promotion by repeat or whatever the result of the kind of commitment are there so yeah i think it's much better yeah okay so let's promote that and then i think also we'll i think we'll be asking the board to um enable something like you know a $50 swag voucher once you join to get stickers and everything sent so i think it's good that people can show they've already been running them before they just kind of ask for the swag yeah so um so there is a sole uh request a request for a sole jam in korea okay should we have them follow this process or so does it cost people anything to start a new meetup it doesn't if there's few members is that right i thought that was the case but i don't know if it's still the case like your credit card and basically there is some base period but then you start paying unless you close your meetup at least that's what i've seen last time i was creating meetup outside jenkins meetup okay i thought it used to be free for i thought less than 50 people but that was a long time ago when i did it so let me find out i'll go find out just to see oh like do you um do you own more than one meetup groups yes i probably own something like eight so i so when i looked into this which is a long time ago if you had like one meetup group then it would be free okay yeah so let me double check on that but maybe we just asked them to uh start the group and mention we're doing this transitioning i don't know um yeah maybe i don't have a good answer now i feel um yeah so let me let me see what i can when i talk to the meetup people um see what they say and i'll respond to the uh true quest for the korean jam yeah so yeah one not only commented that in october they will be october first i've already started reaching out to some meetup organizers to see whether they would like to host local events so even there are disruptive changes it would be rather preferable to have them before october or after october okay yeah yeah so it's a minor thing but yeah i don't expect us to have many meetups maybe five good okay yeah let's see if we can drive that forward uh in the next few weeks right anything else then next meeting um i guess no i expected to be in two weeks at this time uh until we agree uh what the date and week of the of the apex friendly one will be okay thanks very much everybody thanks jaycee bye everybody okay thanks all i'll stop the recording and post it later over to youtube thank you all thanks thanks so much