 Okay. Well, welcome everyone. Happy. May the fourth may the force be with you. I'm Betsy co and in the red with the Star Wars hat is Steve Greenwood who co-hosts with me on the Thursdays. And we're so glad everyone's here both live and if you're watching afterwards via the recording. This these sessions are all about just talking about our questions on wiki tree and how we can get more involved and do more with our profiles and grow our branches and and share share tips and and, you know, nerd out on wiki tree. So what we like to do is start with a model profile that just, you know, is a good example of a complete profile that's that's well done. And Steven is going to take that this part. So I'm going to turn it over to you. All right. So yeah, obviously today is May the fourth. It is a nerd holiday for a lot of us and understand that everyone celebrates it. But I felt like it would be appropriate. You have a article of a person who's very well developed on wiki tree and they're more than just Star Wars. Obviously, I'm talking about Christopher Frank, Karen Dini Lee, CBE CSTJ. Those are his extra things added to the back of his name here. But basically Chris Lee, we're talking about Christopher Lee, the actor, an offer musician. Let me go ahead and get my screen shared here so that I can show you what I'm looking at. Host disabled participant screen sharing. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm going to need permission. I knew I forgot something. And look, there's Jennifer. Perfect. Good timing. Greetings, Jennifer. We are recording. I hope that's okay with you. We have a question for Murray as well. Yes. You're muted, Jerry. There you go. Yeah, I have two questions. The first is I've noticed in past sessions that people have been able to press do something. They did something and they got a little hand raised up on the screen. Yes. And I wonder how to do that. Okay. If you want to do that, you want to go to reactions at the bottom of your screen. And that should allow you to have a raise hand button available to you there. Oh, okay. Okay. Thank you. Yes. So if anybody has questions, they'll be taken in the order of the hand raising. It'll go and cycle through at the top. Whoever has their hand raised. And my second question. Oh, yes, go ahead. Yeah, go ahead. My second question is it's actually more of, well, I guess it's a question. I think that when, when the session is rolling. And if people have their. If people have their, their mic and their audio on at the same time, I think we're getting some feedback. And I just wonder whether I could ask everybody to mute while. Well, Steve runs through everything. And then if you need to say something you can turn on, you can unmute. That would make sense. So active participants will be live. And then if anyone's taking over, you know, we can mute. I probably won't mute just as a default because I will respond to things pretty regularly. And same for Betsy. So. Yeah, except the siren goes, goes down the street. I live next to freeway. So whatever happens, you're going to get that background noise. Okay. Does that answer your question then? At least for. Okay. So I'm going to go ahead and share my screen. And let's go ahead and pull up Chris Lee's profile here. I love this because I actually did work on this profile. Can everybody see that? Yes. Okay. So you'll notice at the top. Yeah. He has a very long name here. He's got some titles. I think is his order of the British empire. You know, so he's CBE, CSTJ. And he gives his, you know, his birth, the birth year and death year. You'll notice there's some additional things that are on my screen. Like here I have the 25 degrees that are indicating how close he is to me. So that's something that you might not see unless you have the Wiki Tree browser extension, which I highly recommend because that does make the site even more awesome than it already is. We go down here. You'll see that he has, you know, birth date and death day information here. It's pretty standard for most of the profiles. You know, they did figure out who his parents were. And if you click on ancestors, this will automatically generate a, it's probably at the bottom of the page. Let's see. Oh, here we go. Okay. So it just took a little bit of time to load. But this generates a basic pedigree chart. And you can see that we have pretty much fleshed out a lot of his lines, but there's still some of the Italian lines and South African lines that, you know, can use some work. So anyone's definitely welcome to add on to those lines and for more flesh out his genealogy. And that makes us more connected. And we're all interconnected here because this is one giant tree. It's a single family tree across the entire world. So we call it the world tree. So while someone may refer to, you know, their family tree, they're referring to their branch of the world tree. And that's the thing. We're all going to tie into some element of the world tree at some point. Some of us are still unconnected. So it's just a matter of making those connections to attach to a common ancestor in the back, you know, in history here. And I'm going to read met Jennifer since she's I did it. The waiting room here. And I just want to piggyback on that just to encourage everybody to add in family. That's not in your direct line. Like your grandparents, brothers and sisters. Because those sort of collateral branches can be ways that you can get more strongly connected to the tree. Sometimes people just sort of do their, their, their grandfather and their great great grandparents and great second grade and, and very singular. Yeah. So the direct ancestry is one way to connect people, but we also can connect through marriages. And then if there are siblings, those siblings can branch out. And then you can create a descendancy chart off of those descendants. So you can click on any one of these old people. And then you can see that right next to their name is a descendant list. So say I wanted to look at constant Hayward's descendants. Chris Lee would be one of those descendants. And this would actually open up her page and then show me the descendant list. And you'll see that, yeah, there is Chris really as one of the great, great grandchildren. And then, you know, his sister and then his parents so forth. So it continues back up the tree to that point of origin. So you can look at it in two directions. And that's great. If you want to see those adjacent relationships, if you want to see, you know, who the brothers and sisters are, and then that's a way of fighting cousins as well. Eventually you go down to the modern era and you can identify the cousins of those people. But I'm going to go back to Chris Lee's profile here. And if I scroll back to what would originally been at the page, again, you can see that, you know, there's some private information in here, private wife, private daughter, because they're still living. And the great thing about Wiki Tree is that, you know, if they are still living and if someone does not want the information out there, it will hide it, except for people that might be on the trusted list. A trusted list can be sent to, you know, relatives, direct relatives, or people working on those profiles in particular, if they're part of a project. So notables may fall under that as well, depending of, you know, they have a approved status to become a little bit more visible than other types of profiles. But generally, if you're living, you're not going to be visible unless you are assigned in a user of Wiki Tree. And then you can go down here and you can see that he's part of the England project. So the England project has a sticker here indicating that he is part of that project. And then anybody wants to discuss any additional things, they can click on that and, you know, go to the England project. And there's also a tag for it, for WikiTreesGG, the genealogist profile forum. That's a steep question. Go ahead. This is an unlocked profile. Is it an unlocked profile or not? Yes. If I go to the top. Okay. So I'm going to actually collapse his ancestors. And you can see at the top that there is a white unlocked lock here. So that would mean that anyone can access this profile and edit this profile as a deceased notable. So he falls into both categories of being able to be edited mostly because he's deceased and has been for a couple of years, you know, people can work on this readily. But as a notable, you know, we probably don't want to change much information here because most of this has already been fleshed out and established. So there has to be something, you know, a little bit more unique if you want to add it to this type of profile, because, you know, we've already gone through and tried to clean it up. So if I continue down here, you can see that there's kind of like a general summary of like what he did. So again, it says, you know, steamed actor, author, musician, notable for such iconic characters as Tragila, Scaramanga, Saraman and Count Dooku. And he's also noted for being the oldest singer in the heavy metal industry because he released an album after he was like 90. And that's like, that's awesome. I think that's great. And, you know, he goes through the biography. It tells again, it might reiterate what we're talking about up here, but it's going to have a little bit more information. You know, we can link to those profiles. We can talk about anybody that's being referenced here. So even Sir John Lavery isn't connected to him that way. His mother, you know, was painted by this guy. So we can link to his profile and we can talk about the other person. And that's great for like little rabbit holes, but you would just want to go off in a different direction. Talks about his service in World War II and he was fighting with the British against the Germans. Then it goes into his films, you know, and we just talk about some of these other connections like Peter Cushing to him, because he would start with him. So you can link to Peter Cushing's profile. And again, it just continues to go so far down the line here until he eventually passed away. Oh, Karen is here. I'm going to let her in. Welcome, Karen. Let her get logged in there. So Karen, we're just going through a profile, an example profile here. And I'm just showing off Christopher Lee for Star Wars Day. So that's relevant, I think to all of us. Does everybody know how to link to another profile in a biography like Steve Stephen was pointing out? So like this is a link. So if you can actually see my preview text or even here on the page itself. So he has an identifier of Cushing-943. So he has an identifier of Cushing-943. That is Peter Cushing's unique wiki tree ID. And if you want to simply copy it, you can use this scissors button that says copy ID. And you can click on it and it says it's been copied. And then you can copy and paste that into any text. And you might want to do a piped link, which means there's a straight pipe that would go after that. And then you just type the name of the person and then close the brackets to be able to create a piped link. I just put an example in the chat using myself as the example. So checking the chat, that'll show you the formatting. We use the double brackets for links and if we want to hide that actual name of the link and just have the name of the person. We use a pipe, a straight line and then we type in the name of the person. Really helpful little portfolio. And then we also have the feature across multiple wikis on the Internet like Wikipedia, this one, the other ones I work on. And again, images are really strong with this profile. I love that we have his image account Dooku, we have Saruman, we have Dracula, we have Scaramanga. So all the really notable things that he was in, just a wonderful profile and then some actual images of him and the other one with him and Roger Moore who was the second James Bond. And as you move to the bottom here you'll see that one of those sources was an inline citation. So I believe that we were citing one of the Bond articles here off Entertainment Weekly and that will actually point back to where it was cited, which was right there. So like it will have this little indicator here with a one covered by two brackets and again it'll give you a preview at least on what I'm looking at with the WikiTree source or sorry, the browser extension will show that that's what the source is and again you can click on that and it'll take you back to the bottom of the page again where that is. The rest of these are more just accessible links, Wikipedia profile, other articles talking about him passing away at 93. I love the link here. And just other things that are available to talk about him, someone else must explore him on IMDB or something else like that. So that's because he's a notable. We can use these as sources for this profile. I use sources freely here with quotation marks. On other profiles sources are going to be more pertinent to birth records, death records. We want to actually get those on those types of profiles that are not notable people. And then at the bottom you'll just see there's a couple of comments. People were talking about working on the profile and so forth. And there's me. That's really a little bit of a hundred. And then at the very bottom you can see that there's some matches and merges. There's nobody that's matching him so we don't have to worry about that. We can see that he is connected into the trees so he connects to all of these popes that were featured this week. And then you can see at the very bottom all the things that he's part of. Commander of the Order of the British Empire the Order of Saint John. So that's what those acronyms were at the beginning. I have included him in Star Wars Actors because that's what I'm doing. He also has a category for Middle Earth so there are people working on those as well and just a whole bunch of different categories. And that effectively is Chris Lee's profile on Wikitree. Any questions about that at all? I think probably so if you could you scroll down to the reference the sources again. Yeah, no problem. Let me just say one thing Marie and then we'll turn it over to you. So the bullet points if we were in edit mode the bullet points would be yeah, okay Steve's going to do it would be generated by an asterisk and that creates the bullet points. So yeah, what we're looking at here is the bullet points. So yeah, what we're looking at here is the raw wiki markup. So wiki markup is utilized to create these links to create these bullet points and you can see that the ones that did display at the bottom of the sources section are simply asterisks and then we have a link that is a single bracket for an external link we use single brackets and then we put the information there make sure there's a space and so that's a link an internal link is going to be two brackets and then whatever the situation here is Wikipedia is a unique one in that we can use double brackets for that but those will also allow us to link to things on wiki tree because they're using the same type of programming. So like with mark 26 is a double bracket there's the identifier the wiki tree ID there's the pipe and then the name is typed out and then we close it with two brackets so that creates the link to the profile in the text it's pretty straightforward there based on popular demand from last month I did a tip sheet so there's the link to that I mean there's nothing, this is just what has been useful to me and there are many other wiki trees and things similar and as you grow in your comfort with wiki markup you may want to make up your own cheat sheet but you're welcome to use mine as a starting point Murray sorry we hijacked it's okay that's fine I'm just going to return to profile about saving I'm going to go ahead and just click this button so that I didn't do anything to it it's perfectly fine we're all fine here so Stephen how are you and why don't we go up to the top and see how you're related to him because you seem to be 25 degrees away okay let's go ahead and do that then I'm going to go back to the bottom of the profile and I'm going to check my connection so I'm going to click on see your connection you can do this with anyone who's connected to the wiki to the world tree which has over 31 million connected profiles I believe and we can see that yes there's Christopher Lee at 0 degree and then his sister, Zandra Lee and then eventually goes through her husband his mother another husband you'll also notice that the colors change when we jump across lines that are not direct lineage you'll notice that number 6 is also another notable Winston Churchill so the pathway actually goes through Winston Churchill to get to me and I have discovered that Winston Churchill is actually a cousin of mine so I have direct relationship to Winston Churchill me that is funny, yeah so it passes through him through some parents eventually it gets to another marriage here into the Ives family and I connect to the Ives direct descendant that is a Ives and that connects to Burl Ives I'm actually a cousin of Burl Ives like a fifth cousin or something like that and then it drops down through my parents and that might be personal information so anyway but eventually I'm there eventually you get to me you can find out if he actually is connected to you for a common ancestor so this is the relationship finder so if you let Rosalie get into the room here really quick just saw that if I click the common ancestor I'll see if I'm actually genetically related to him and if I do that I have to actually go back to the top of the page and it says no connection has been found yet between Christopher and Stephen so I'm not blood related to him but that's cool I'm still related to him for 25 degrees of other people including notables yeah through any so that sort of argues the point of how valuable it can be to put siblings in right and another way to look at it too there actually is an alternative view of the generational path so if you click on the generational path it opens up a new screen and this actually shows the relationships in this order so you can see how it's going across through the sister and the husband to the mother to her husband and then there's a whole bunch of people connecting here so to think about that Christopher Lee and Winston Churchill were only like 6 degrees apart I mean that's pretty cool right and then that goes back to a point where you hit the 1700s you jump over on sisters and husbands again you come back to these lines and then eventually it goes forward to me so then I'm just a straight shot back up to the top here any questions on any of that at all I'm still on that page I may actually have to get out of screen share just so I can get back to the thing I was looking at should we go on to Linda and Jennifer's profiles I'm done screen sharing there alright so let's let's see I have as usual too too many tabs so let's okay so I have can everybody see my screen I'm gonna put this down there get out of that and so Linda this is your second one of your second great grandfathers and I asked Linda for you know three or four profiles that we can take a look at and Linda do you want to do you want to give us any background before we dive in um I don't know what kind of background did you care to know just just anything in particular if is he a particular interest to you um just anything with the research that you've done for him in the past are there brick walls anything like that beyond beyond him Sarah Adams is a brick wall and his grandfather is a brick wall so I see okay those trees are brick walls for me beyond I know I think his family came from Ireland I had no Sarah Adams from Virginia that's all I know and I was pretty close to his son my great grandfather who raised my father okay so although you didn't you didn't know him your great grandfather would have been able to tell you stories correct yeah okay great and those those sorts of things could go well I can see you know you've already got a memory here so you know you could add those family anecdotes there right okay so biggest thing oh Murray I'm sorry you did have did you have a question no okay biggest thing is we need to get you some sources here and format them in a way that it's you know generally the way wiki tree formats them I have a comment on that find a grave for example sure so I know that the index gets sourced a lot but if you actually go to the find a grave page itself at the bottom is the more detailed citation so I usually copy and paste that because it actually has the name of the cemetery and some of the birth date and death day record on the gravestone plus the person who's moderating that profile as well so I recommend actually going to the page if at all possible for that person so the memorial link is right there you can so actually let me okay I haven't gotten good yet I haven't really learned how to use just begun to learn how to use that little thingy at the top the one for things but I was doing it all by hand before so can I go here we are at George's find a grave entry can I do this can I enter the source for you yeah that would be wonderful so I have the sorcerer app and maybe Stephen could you put the page for sorcerer in I'll have to get out of the screen share here one moment so all you have to do once you're on the page is click on the one and say now I don't you're let's just do it as a source citation and as you can see it works in the blink of an eye it's copied in my clipboard now I'm going to come back here edit find a grave I was I was going to say could we use it to source something and it certainly is is supporting that he passed away in 1929 but we would prefer wiki tree would prefer not to use find a grave as a source so now I'm going to right there and I use it predominantly for just burial information to prove that they're buried at a location yep and I just pasted it it already has the asterix so now that means we could take this away perfect yep and in fact well I can now now we'll go back and get some other things add sources right so we like it for a dinda mostly yeah in fact you could do a see also section you could have all your record your senses and then underneath see also and in fact with Christopher Lee's profile those articles that Stephen was pointing out those could be a see also section true yeah they're not true sources they're more like see additional information so I can still do that and move those over yeah you don't do that right yeah so yes Ralph go ahead so how would you create a section called see also see also yeah so I will do it to Chris's and then I will show everyone oh okay are you there let's go back yeah let's go ahead and put me back into that that's okay of course go ahead yes we can see it in action okay I'm gonna stop yours I'm gonna kick you out okay and then I'm gonna go back to family search on there okay so I'm up now and then now I again I just did a search for him really quick you can actually do this too so you can search for Christopher leave you don't know his exact ID you could just type in his name at the very top here of any page you know Christopher and Lee right and do a search and you'll find anything that matches that person's name or close to it and it's not these people it's not these guys can you show one thing up back up top yeah yeah it's I find it really helpful to sort by birthday right yeah that's that's the easy way now it's gonna give you all the different variations but then you can see like who the oldest ones are like 1595 1892 and it'll give an approximate you know birth locations and stuff so most of these people are in Ireland and Germany but I did see him on that last page so I'm gonna go back because he's passed all these Christopher Columbus Lees and there is Christopher Frank Caradini Lee that's the guy we're looking for so I'm gonna click him open again and this time I will edit his profile so I'm going to click on it profile family relationships at the top and we're gonna go back to that sources section and just being a little laggy because we got zoom running at the same time here that's what it does sometimes can open that up a little bit more see here so the sources section again doesn't have a separator between the main sources header and the rest of these what we would call see also so the see also section is gonna simply be created by me making a couple of words here and putting a little colon we don't even have to add an asterisk because the rest of these are asterisk and they will all line up after this as long as there's a space in between the references HTML tag and that text it won't bunch it all together so if I preview this you're gonna see at the bottom of that now is a separated area that says see also and all these would definitely fall in the see also category and then a more true source which in this case is just an inline citation that we're using to reference this article that's gonna stay up in the sources section so I mean again imagine that these are legitimate sources and that you would have your brief and def dates and all your records that would correspond to that and any additional information like a side page that talks about it you know could go back to that see also section and then I'm just going to indicate that it did add the see also section here and I will commit the changes the full he saved that and now that we've saved the profile it should be back at the bottom just like that so there you go it's simple as that so I'll let you take over again of Bessie if you want to do that so we'll go back to let's see there we go George Andrew Conway so one thing that can be really really helpful is down here on the right under research you can do research for George Conway and what it's going to do is it's going to take all the information that you've already input with regard to birthday place death date place and just put it in a form and then you can see at the bottom you have your choice you can search family search ancestry wherever I'm going to go to family search because there's no paywall there's a very rich database of records so let's see what comes up when I started my pages there was no family search really right and I gave up and quit and now there's family search and I started a tree there so I have it back yeah well there's a way and I can show how to do this there's a way to connect him the two profiles so that when you're on family search you can see his wiki tree ID profile and when you're on wiki tree family search ID which is nice let's see this is Jennifer I know I'll wait for my turn for a lot of my questions but I was putting someone in at least I thought I was doing something right and I went to the root search and it was empty it was blank when I clicked on root search for my person there was nothing there I put in his name because I knew there was stuff on family search for him but anyway I don't know what I was doing wrong so maybe when we get to mine maybe we can try and repeat that and see what happens okay so let's see it looks like we have a death certificate of his daughter right but I did see the death certificate for him which I know which I think you let's see there's finding grave this principle might be his own so he certainly answers the father father father principle let's find a grave okay there's no ituary and those don't usually provide as much information yeah here's the census this is this is good because he's only five years old at the time of the census assuming this is the correct one how do you know this is the right George Conway right well gotta go to it let's go check it out so Linda what do you think actually we're gonna look at it yeah I don't know about Petersburg I'd have to look at where his father's name in that census okay let's find him um so we've got that they have occupations on this one carpenter there we go okay yeah five-year-old George what does that say Benjamin Conway Benjamin Conway and that's not the right Conway was his father a railroad conductor then well his father's name was not Benjamin yeah so I mean this is this is why we look at it um so we just go back hmm I'm stuck in the loop okay family search can do that to you sometimes um very strange programming see his father's name was um well I can't I can't it just wasn't Benjamin yeah well I mean that that it was also George uh-huh tree in front of me so okay so well here's George a Conway uh children Robert a Conway does that sound right yes yes sorry that was definitely that was my great-grandfather okay all right George Andrew Conway now we can go ahead and click on his uh fine or not family search profile yeah so all right so how does this look well estimated birth year 1556 widowed in 1920 living in new Hanover North Carolina does that seem like we have the right person workplace for yes yes okay um so what we can um okay great we've got all these other people so what we can do this is another great thing about family search is just copy the information and then when we go back over here we can edit and let's see I'm going to do an inline citation for you just so we can see what that looks like so in 1920 he was living in sorry what was the name of the new Hanover North Carolina is that the county of New Hanover or is that the city or village do we know that based off the document um it does not say I yeah I I have I have a feeling it's a town ship yeah look it up um they don't provide another name it's usually the county yeah um and then all I would do I've written this fact and I would hit see site your source and then just cased in okay so New Hanover county is where Wilmington is makes sense the Wilmington is the seat of New Hanover county and if it just says New Hanover and nothing else in front of it I think they're usually indicating that's just county well I didn't have family that moved to Wilmington for a short while all right well there's your connection yeah yeah they've they've been in mostly in Virginia mostly and then North Carolina mm-hmm so now it's developing a story and that's the great part this is that you can flesh out a biography and you can really talk about like all the places that they went and it's not just a bunch of stats anymore it's they they really do flesh out as people on our wiki here oh yeah and the really nice thing that I also like here is you can see well you said that Robert was your grandfather great grandfather great grandfather he was my father but he is my great grandfather got it um if I click on his hyperlink it will take me to his entry on the census and then if I if you wanted to put that on his profile here's the link here's the citation so that it's properly formatted for Robert as opposed to George excellent yeah but going back as um as Steve pointed out what we can see here on the right is here's his family search entry so if we go there wow look at that he has 33 sources so there's quite a lot that you can get off of family search and now didn't you say that you had what year did he die 1929 and you had a death record 1929 let's see yeah if you go to the bottom they will be in order they are in order okay yes there it is um because I noticed that you did you linked via ancestry um which you know sometimes that's the only place to get the record but if you can link through family search it's nice because there's no paywall absolutely yeah if we go there there's an image for it too there it is you could um I won't take the time right now but you could zoom in and and read all and the wife's name matches and you can take all that data from there and put it into his profile so like cause of death etc like you can really flesh it out to make it nice so what I'm going to do is I'm going to copy that and then go back to his profile and I'm going to make an inline citation like that wonderful absolutely wonderful and that now um I'm going to go ahead and get rid of this is that okay because we absolutely all right so yes have fun with those 33 sources well now I want to go through and make sure they are actually legitimately his sources because someone could have connected them and assumed that it was him I know that that's him I know my family very very well I have dabbled in and out for years and years I just found issues where I had to clean up a lot of stuff during say connectathon so there were things where people were duplicated there were sources that attached to people that didn't actually and in family search somebody has actually put a different wife in my family and I wrote to them saying how do I get rid of this woman she doesn't belong in the family and they gave me a whole hobble-gobble bunch of stuff and I don't know yeah so I'm just saying you know you want to still take things with a grain of salt yeah just because it's on family search doesn't mean it's true Mary what was your question you're muted Mary I've been noticing besides underneath the privacy and changes thing that you've got a whole bunch of icons but I don't what are those right and this is because I have well I have a couple of extensions so I have the wiki tree browser extension and I have wiki tree we so they let's see what does this do build the end this is an ancestor list Steve do you want to speak to these okay this is B is it wiki tree B yeah okay yeah I'm trying to integrate B into the wiki tree browser extension I think they're merging a lot of this stuff together now but you get shortcuts for things like fan charts and you can see that green button I think that's the connections button you know just a couple little tools and toys and nice little stuff that is a short hand you just want to have it on the page and I have to go into the the drop downs you know up top but again there's multiple ways to access this I'll show you one one reason I had deactivated B because like what Steven was saying was that wiki tree browser extension is so comprehensive but if I go back to family search okay and now I'm in sources for George A Conway I can do this get all citations I get the little tree that's thinking and thinking and thinking it takes about takes maybe I don't know about that one yeah this is so cool I'm still finding stuff look at this oh my gosh yes I'm so excited I know I did this on Sunday I grabbed a whole bunch of sources for somebody but I did I went through every single one and it wasn't 33 it was like I don't know if I can do that I feel like I would have to go for every one of them live a live before I sign off on it yeah yeah no I did I went through every single one that was available for the person I was doing but then you just copy it in if it's all good so that get all citations but that's because of B that's because of B and I tried it try deactivating somebody told me oh no you need B and so and then I deactivated B and it didn't work so you do need to have B on so what I understood was things are moving over to wiki they're the browser extensions and that and that some things could bump into each other if you had if you had wiki tree B running yeah and so it's best not to have wiki tree B on if you're really using the extensions that is true that's what I've heard I have I've avoided B until now so okay yeah I don't understand what are you talking about wiki tree B all right so there are there's a thing called a browser extension and basically what it means is that while you're using wiki tree you can have extra powers okay these abilities to do things that you weren't able to do before okay now for example this just get all citations button that's like a superpower right but it wasn't there before and now apparently they can't build it into wiki tree because that code base is kind of locked and solid and they don't want to start messing around in there anymore but they can build these layers on top of wiki tree and now I only recently got those because they weren't on my safari browser on the Mac but they are on all the other browsers on all the other platforms so you can get these and they just give you capabilities that you didn't have before and I think that Steven and Betsy have been showing you different aspects of wiki tree extension the wiki tree browser extension is what it's called I just got an update on that today one of the cool things is when you get to a footnote and you just hover over that footnote a little window is going to pop up and show you instead of you having to go down to the footnote and read it it's going to pop it up yeah like that that's because of the wiki tree browser extension and if you remember I asked Steven about how he was connected to Steven Lee and that's because he was on the top and it said 25 degrees and that's not normally there you don't see that you're just using it without right so but if you have that and you'll see it but if you go to somebody that you're related to and this is here's this cool thing so I just randomly got to ended up at this guy's profile he was on somebody else's profile and I clicked on it and went to look and this guy was related to me 12 ways and it had the list it showed me the list of all the ancestors that we have in common and they were like 8th 9th and 10th grade grandfathers 12th of them it's like I wouldn't have known that how would I have known that right yeah without the extension yeah I really love that component is that it can immediately show those types of relationships especially for your correct ancestors or your cousins they're connected into and then that can help you figure out like who you need to talk to for additional research you know somebody else might be working on the same lines yeah I could show another one that I am connected to if you want me to share my screen again actually I'm thinking we should switch over to Jennifer's your right just to make sure that we have enough time I'm already talking to myself enough today no let's see I have to find where am I okay alright does everybody see Samuel Alexander Halsey I see George Andrew Conway oh really okay maybe let me stop sharing and then I'll share again okay how about now okay great great and this is your grandfather right Jennifer yes man yes do you want to give us a little background on your I mean you must have personal memories oh yes many many many yes I have a lot of information well I think I have a lot of information on my father's family so I said I would start with them I spent summers with my grandparents in North Carolina my grandfather ended up grandparents ended up moving from North Carolina to Maryland and live with my parents until they passed away in the 80s so very close to my grandparents I'm very fortunate to have a lot of photos some over a hundred years old wow though I have pictures of my great grandparents great uncles um yeah yeah so that is not necessarily common to have I don't have many images of some of my great grandparents or you know even grandparents in certain cases so it's very fortunate that you have that I still don't know I still haven't I've gotten them copied and they're on a flash drive and everything because I'm the keeper of the original photos so I have the original photos and then I have copies on a flash drive but I haven't really done anything with them I'm like scared I don't know what to do with them but I would like to be able to get them on some kind of blog or something labeled you know so they're at least in two or three different places right digitized so in case anything happens to the physical copies you still have digital versions of them I attended an event several years ago with the National Museum African American History and Culture they were going around the country doing these Save Our Treasures events and they were in Baltimore and I was able to get probably about 100, 150 of the photos scanned and so they gave me the flash drive and they said do you mind if we you know have access to your photos and I was like no I don't mind but they're not I don't think they're labeled I don't remember them taking the time to say oh this is Samuel Halsey this is who it is but they scan them so they do have 150 of them have you put any photos up to the core spending person on WikiTree? No because I'm just getting stupid and I was like for instance I was trying to put up documents and I know I have them on my computer but they're not labeled necessarily you know I just have that general generic code that I got the document off of family search or ancestry and so the other day I was looking for the marriage certificate for my grandparents and I know I have it and I was like I spent hours well not hours but longer than necessary trying to find it on my computer and then I was like okay now I found it how do I get it on to WikiTree I didn't know how to upload it I didn't know what to do so I'm thinking if you got it from family search the better thing would be to just find it again on family search link it with the link you know the URL to the record rather than uploading a PDF or an image of the record okay so WikiTree doesn't necessarily want images they just want link right I mean images as in photographs of people yes or of documents I mean I confess when I was first starting out at myself I was uploading copies of death certificates images of and then I realized oh no that's not the right way to do it okay yeah I was wondering about that because I was like well I've got all these images they're on you know from family search and various places you know how do I get them up there so what I did is I found the marriage certificate for his mother and Eleonora yeah and I just cut and paste where it says source citation cite this so I just copied that and pasted it on here I think it's on here okay I guess I didn't I guess I didn't save it okay that's where I'm running into issues it's like I don't know what I'm doing sure well let's see if we can quickly find that again you found it on family search yeah it's what did I I went to yeah I see okay okay family search on her okay there is this the marriage this is them great we look at that and and you've looked at the record the actual record and now that's a that's a different document that's a ledger but there is actual the actual marriage license I want to click on our name then yeah you can find that the marriage license has their parents names on there that might be the one because North Carolina marriages is a different oh image availability I don't know why they're not letting you find it let me I would say click on her name and then see all the sources that are attached to her since we've already proven that that's the one right only sources that's not bad but there's no death date for yeah I have cannot find a death date for her I have a general idea but I have not be able to I did notice that on your on her son's marriage record in I think it was 1929 stimulus record marriage she is listed as deceased his father she she there were five children and from I roughly appear on the 1910 census she's on the 1900 census so she dies sometime between 1900 and 1910 but when I don't know right so what you could do on her I don't know what you did um you might be able to search for a dictionary and see that yeah you could say about or before about or before and put a general yeah in a research notes she died young too she died it's just around 30 or 31 so maybe there is some kind of article indicating you know she dying accident was there something tragic that happened like there's a lot more that we might be able to learn about this lady these papers dot com or chronicling America chronicling America there's one from North Carolina in that area I mean that's that's not a common name that that is a very unique name and I just wonder if I can find something myself right now and that's the other thing I thought with that last name outer bridge I would be able to find a lot of stuff and it's been a slow go I'm going to look okay now go back one let's see where is that go back one page where it says go back to image 420 yes so it's good to check the pages before okay that's their marriage that's their marriage wow yep 1919 okay so if we go to let's let's do this I have Wilmington North Carolina just popped up 1906 first page could be a deaf record now you see here the record is linked to Jesse so if we genius if you want to get a reference for Eleonora click on her now this is going to give the citation okay and so I just copied this and pasted it yeah for you okay so I just copy it and you go to edit edit edit use this start with previous draft looks like yeah looks like okay there it is so I did save something you save something what I just added is is a little more robust okay it is the same because if you look at the record collection title it is the same collection it's the same record yeah okay so I'll get rid of that and you know what now that we've added a source we can get rid of that that's a template of the first okay and funny I'm finding a professor Steven W. Outerbridge yeah that's the only Outerbridge I've been able to find and the little bit that I found out about him he was a I believe a school teacher and I don't think he ever married had any children it says that he had his 81st birthday honored in 1906 right 1905 he began his life work at the hassles enrolled at the company of Confederates in 1861 served two terms in the legislature and from 1895-1901 taught at Robersonville having been a teacher for 56 years so I don't know if he's connected to your Outerbridge but that certainly is something interesting it is I agree it's a very unique name they are from what I found it's England Australia and Canada Outerbridge is now is it correct that you do not have a profile yet for Jesse her husband right I thought I did no no I thought I did Jesse Alexander um well right now you see she doesn't have a spouse okay so no you know what no I have Samuel her son and then I think I started working on her and then I think I started working on Jesse the other night but I don't think I saved it or something I know what I was doing so I'm just going to tidy this up just a little bit because I see actually if we go if we go back here in line citation to say that you'll add sources okay so let's just go back and I mean you are the you're the profile manager right yes yes I'm the only person on this thing so I think we can we can let this go take that out yeah because um yeah and what we'll say is she married Jesse Paul Z um do we have a date on that marriage uh yeah so we go back to that form let's see um I don't remember it offhand uh December 16 1896 December 1896 grandfather was born two years later in Washington North Carolina it's actually Plymouth is the town and Washington is the county so got it okay yeah Plymouth um and then what we can do is we can grab this again and make an inline citation here and now that we have that then we don't need it here okay so you are when you put the citation in you're writing a little explanation above it is to actually what the citation is about yes yes well I'm using it to support a point in the biography and um so now we can preview you and see this is what it looks like there's there's what we said and then it's supported by that the other thing that we can do is when I remember when I was new I just saved all the time okay and then now I do bigger chunks of work in one go but the other thing we can do is well you'd have to create you know you could create your her husband with that okay I know I have parents names also great good but what are siblings well wonderful yeah you're you're really you're going to be able to flesh out these branches easily then yeah I have this records with with that information good good can we create Jesse is that okay sure sure what I'll do I you know create him and then I'm going to orphan him so that you can be profile manager okay here and we add a spouse house create a new profile okay you're going to have to help me here Jesse Alan Halsey Halsey there's a spot for middle name later yeah you have his birthday I his birthday I got off of marriage and census records okay there's a difference and I know what it was yesterday I was putting it in and I've got 1875 and 1876 I believe and I don't know which is how to put that in if you're not sure of the date Oh well easy okay I put in 1875 and then I'm just going to select estimated or uncertain and then if you get something very precise then you can just easily switch it to certain and where was this was also in Plymouth North Carolina okay Plymouth Washington North Carolina auto come it comes up automatically and his death date dies in 19 1956 I believe it was 58 okay I was putting all this stuff in last night but I didn't get it right okay I'm sorry I'm flipping through all this stuff I can't find it I'll just put 1955 or I can't okay yeah you can you can tighten it up later and it's roughly that time yeah and death location Plymouth North Carolina I also have another question he was married three times okay so how do I add the other wise that's easy let me get him created first okay and Nora has a child which is Samuel and Jesse is the other parent right yes yes okay so yes we click yes for that and then the marriage date was December 16 1896 and that's certain and it was in Plymouth Plymouth World it doesn't like that place yeah it was it was probably before but even in family search I still have to type a lot there it is okay and then the marriage end date would have been when Eleonora died okay I was wondering about that last night you could leave that blank I certainly have done that but we're gonna leave that blank right now I found the death date if that makes a difference okay we can go back in a second okay and then I'm going to make the the citation for him I'm not sure that that really matters in a marriage record and when it says copy to clipboard where is it going your computer's memory oh okay because I never know where it's going yeah that's the same marriage record okay I guess we can say marriage record marriage record and then proceed to create and now we're still in edit mode and you said you found the death date April 30th 1958 April 30th April 30th 1958 and now we can make that certain and do I need to put in sources the death certificate yes so I'm going to put that he passed away on April 30th 1958 and you could do an inline citation and then I'm going to put he married Steven could you look up Eleanor's profile ID for me sorry my mouth was full I can definitely do that for you right now Eleanor Eleanor Eleanor such a pretty name Eleanor what am I doing looking up for profile ID the profile ID of Eleanor is it right there yep okay I just need to search it do do do do do do do so what we'll do is we'll do a hyperlink and Murray I do see you I will I really didn't like it when I searched for or Eleanor Outerbridge, the way it was spelled. It's spelled a lot of ways. Is it L-D, Nora? Yeah, you can pronounce it like, I say Eleanor, but it's A. Oh, weird, it wouldn't even give me like a related mesh, but there it is, Outerbridge 89. Outerbridge 89, so if we do, okay. And even then, you should be able to see it on the side, like it'll be visible. That's true, that's true. The marriage, so yeah, it should be on that page. Now, once I have her in here for as much information, then I can search other Outerbridges to see if there's any connection. Oh, yeah, you can just click on the surname and it'll pull all Outerbridges on Wickey Tree. Okay. And then you can sort it by birth, date, death, date, various other factors and helping find relationships. You'll see the ones in North Carolina or the ones in Virginia. Okay, so I'm gonna take this marriage record minus the asterisks because that is a formatting thing. And now I'm gonna create an inline citation like that. And so with the death information, Jennifer, you'll just do the same thing here. Same thing, okay. We'll do an inline citation now, it will become number two. In that way, we can tie the source directly to the information in the biography instead of it just being a list of sources that you have to figure out what goes to what. Okay, okay. That's the beauty of the inline citations. It's a little complicated for certain people, but it really helps when trying to verify things. Okay, that makes sense. And you'll see them used on Wikipedia and other wikis all the time because they wanna make sure that every line has a citation associated with that information or else they'll remove it. I also read or heard somewhere that I should be adding the African-American heritage icon to every record that I create. Is that true or only enslaved people? How does that work? That's a good question. Let me find out. I know exactly, I would ask Emma. Make back. Oh yeah, Emma, yeah. I knew I was, somebody was telling me. I was like, I don't know how to do that. And I don't know. Your style guide for USBH would define that better than we can. Yeah. So. And then I saw something last night about categories like state professions. And. I said, I'm glad you brought that up. Okay. So if we go back to edits. So Jesse definitely has a link with Plymouth. We've seen that. So this little icon here is categorization. Categorization. If I just type in Plymouth. So many of them. And it's Plymouth. Well, is there one? North Carolina, right? It was a township with Plymouth. Would that be right, Jennifer? I'm sorry. Plymouth is a category for Plymouth. Yeah, Plymouth township. Yeah, sometimes. North Carolina. So we do that. It's a city or village. It's a township. And that categorizes him. And then you would say, I was doing categorization. Oh, and this is going to be the fun part. So now we can go to the category. We see if there's other people in that category. Uh-huh. So you can see that I, because I use the wiki tree browser extension and I've configured it so that my categories show up above the biography. Okay. Which I like. So great idea, Stephen. Okay, who's in the category? Not a lot of people. You can add, you can add Eleonora. Um, okay, Toodle. Um, that's the name of the family that runs funeral home to this day. And it's also, I believe a mixed race family also. Interesting. And go to the top then, go to the my connections button because you may not be aware of that. So this is a fun thing on any category on wiki tree. You can click my connections to see if you're connected to any of the people in that category, including cousins or degree. Oh, look, look. I'm connected to Nancy Furlow-Babin. So there, 25 degrees away. That's somebody that's also on wiki tree, or what is that? Yeah, yeah. And this is the connection to me. Oh, good. So let's see. Your results may vary immensely. Uh, yeah, through my mother, through my, through my Perkins line. Oh, yeah, there's actually not that many jumps in there. It's a lot of direct lineage for some good distance there. Yeah, so definitely try that, Jennifer. If you have a family connection to the town, um, that could be very, very interesting. Hmm, okay. Connection is fine. I love that feature. It's one of my favorite features of wiki tree. Within the category, whatever the category. Right, my connections through the categories, and also my cousins, which kind of plays into that as well. So, but yeah, this is an example. Since Betsy doesn't connect to it as much, obviously this is a little less fleshed out. And look, when you're working on a person or a profile, how do you keep yourself from like going down another rabbit hole? Like let's say, I want to just work on Samuel and get all his stuff in. And, you know, next thing I know, I'm over on Eleanor's family and then I'm on her brother's family. And then I'm like, wait a minute. I didn't finish Samuel. How do I get back? Well, that's a question of self control. You could use something like David Randall's profile completion checklist and just say, I'm not going to move on until I've ticked all the boxes that I can with this profile. But I mean, you know, it's hard. It's really hard to avoid those bright shiny objects. Yeah. Okay. Well, I think it's just basically me that just have to spend some time and that's just something I don't have a lot of. So my daughter was like, you can spend three hours just clicking on census records. It is very easy to fall down a rabbit hole. Even the best of us, you know, can get distracted by some other project or some other thing. And that's why the collaborative aspect of Wicked Tree is great, because we don't have to worry about everything out there. Your cousin could help you with some other elements that maybe you haven't been able to get to yet. Yeah, because I really want to use the, what I just, what I was just, the categories to flesh out. Immensely helpful. And they can travel between them very quickly too. Like, you know, my grandfather Samuel, he was a cabinet maker. Oh, great. He worked in wood. His father worked in wood. His father before him worked in wood. And you know, that area is a warehuiser is a big in there. And then my, there was the family oral history of my great three times grandmother working on a paddle steam ship paddle boat that went down the river. After enslavement, she was a chambermaid on a paddle boat. So I want to learn more about the paddle boats and the steam ships and all that. And like that could lead to making a free space page on that steam ship or any of those things that you're interested in. Maybe other people want to know about that stuff too. So that could be another avenue for you as well. Find in the connections. Oh yeah. Yeah, so much stuff here. All right. Murray, you've been so patient. Are you still there? Do you remember your questions? I just wanted to tell Jennifer. You asked about the clipboard. You know when you do control C and control V. I know. Yeah, cut and paste. Yes. Cut and paste. Okay. When you cut something. It goes in the clipboard. So all these, all these different places that let you, let you copy something. It's copying it into the clipboard so that you can go somewhere and do control V and and paste it in. Okay. Yeah, when it says copy to your clipboard, I'm like, okay, where is that? Imaginary and floating in space. Where's the clipboard? Okay. In family search. I know I have a lot of stuff in my source box. So can I, if I'm working on a particular person, can I just go to my source box and find that record instead of having to search all over again? Yeah, I mean, I don't, I don't use that feature. I know of it, but I think so. Yeah, I think that's what it's there for. Yeah. Okay. I'll try it and see what happens. Yeah, I don't dabble on every feature in family search either. I mean, there's certain things that work for me and other things less likely, but definitely everything within we could try to try at least once to see if they'll find me, you know, give me another way to do research that I haven't done before. Like I didn't really do the rich tech search because I just, I would go in and search myself. Also, family search can be particular if you give it too much information, it might not give you what you're looking for. So I have a tendency to do more of a limited search in that regard to find exactly what I'm looking for. Because I don't want to deal with like 10,000 results. Linda said something about somebody going in and putting stuff on her tree or or whatever and I know I had, I had started out using the tree on family search. And I just got so frustrated with, you know, people marrying my grandmother to her son or something. And when I would write to them and say, you know, hey, who are you and this is wrong. Could you please stop or whatever. And then when I went to family search because it was something I had done because I didn't know what I was doing. And I made a ridiculous mistake marrying an uncle to his mother or something like that. And I wanted, I tried to fix it. I couldn't delete it and I was very frustrated. So I finally got somebody a family search on the phone. And the best I could get from him was that they feel that deleting a person off the family tree of man is like killing them again or something like they didn't exist. And they wouldn't do it. Well, we can put an explanation and a written explanation is to why this is incorrect, but we're not going to delete them. And I was just like, I said, this is stupid. I said it makes no sense. I thought I'm trying to tell you this is, you know, incorrect, but they won't. I just want things to get merged and the wiki tree will want to merge profiles that exist as duplicates as well. I mean, technically you can delete a profile from wiki tree. It's not a common situation because you're usually as a living person associated with every one of those profiles. Most times it's going to be a merge with an existing one, sorry, been made. But I mean, there's nothing actually stopping us from deleting a profile if completely necessary, at least on, you know, on wiki tree. Family search has, I don't know what they're doing with their code, but yeah, I mean, they kind of make it a little limited as to what you can do with those profiles if they don't actually exist, you know, right? Because they're they're basing they're basically creating them off of sources like you have the source and then you create a person off of it. But you know, the data has to be accurate. It also has to be sort of trying to think of transcribed correctly. So if somebody didn't transcribe it right, then that gets lost in translation and that becomes a problem. At least in wiki tree, we can have a research notes section to define all the discrepancies and all the problems that are found on other sites, so that we don't replicate those problems here. You know, and you can communicate with people more easily because you actually see who they are based on their profiles. You can see all the edits that they've made. You can talk to a moderator if you have an issue with that user, you know, like there are more options here to deal with that if necessary. Now I know I do have a discrepancy on a actual document of my great grandfather. They have his date of birth incorrect. And I've been looking at the record for, you know, years, and I just had in my book and I'm just, you know, copying the information. And then one day I was like, wait a minute. And he said, his date of birth. I mean, technically he could have been 13 when my grandmother was. I said, I don't think so. I, you know, I, I, what I did is I had his marriage license, I had probably four decades of census records with his information on it. And I looked at all of that and I said, his own daughter, my grandmother, I guess in grief, when she filled out the death certificate. I don't know where she got that date from, but it's like 40 years wrong. And I'm like, okay, this document goes back to 1946. And it's incorrect. I just put a note in Ancestry and Family Search, you know, what I found out and I said, it's wrong. And you were going to do the same thing on WikiTree as well, that research notes section, you know, that's going to explain like there was something wrong when they asked another person about this person's death. They either put a number in wrong transcribed it wrong. People get stuff all the wrong all the time human error is a big issue. And we just got to figure out like what the actual data is, you know, sometimes you can't actually trust the document, even though it seems like it's, you know, the most official thing, like the death certificate and everything. But, you know, even the gravestones don't necessarily have the right dates on them. This is what somebody else might have told them was like, oh yeah, he was born in 1859, when really he was born in like 1874 or something. Like maybe thought he was older than he was right. So they put that in the gravestone everybody takes it as fact. And then we is to be like, okay, well it might be true. So that's where the death document comes in. Yeah, or the birth record, you know, for that in particular. I have a problem with a name of an ancestor where the people who documented the records. Historically, you know, like on the transcripts incorrectly wrote their name, their name was putes F E W K E S, but they wrote it down as full soul or or F UK, you know, in other words, they miss wrote it down on in two or three different ways on each document and it went down into records. So everybody wrote this person and then I couldn't find. I couldn't track this person down. I finally found in a DNA relative who was F E W K E S that matched when I looked at the original documents and, and everybody else has the name incorrect. Yeah. And he said well you might check in this state in this state for the people who came across from England. Yeah, I mean, if they were going through customs, people have heavy accents, people, you know, they might try to spell things out. Usually they're just trying to shuttle people through. They don't have time to get down all the correct spellings of these names, especially their foreign names, right? You know, I find that with my German ancestors, like they'll have heavy accents, they'll say something with a V sound when really it's like a W. So, so the translation will be lost there when someone in, you know, New York or Baltimore is trying to take the name down. And then you'll find that it just sticks because they wrote it down the wrong way. Like my ancestor who was rib key actually became written down as rebel. So like the case suddenly disappeared and it became an L. And it's just, you know, you run into things like that. But if you could tie it with the same person, you know, referencing their birth dates and death dates, those things should be more fixed in nature. And the names are going to vary, you know, like when you're looking at census records, you know, someone's recording this information secondary, or maybe it's their wife that gave them the name, you know, and it wasn't the person they're available. So yeah, you're hearing this from someone else and they're writing down what they think it sounds like. So you get like these weird names on these records, you know, because of that secondary nature to it. But, you know, again, those are all different factors that play into that. And you just got to corral them together and compare them side by side and make sure you're talking about the right person here. Right. I mean, like, like Steven saying, I mean, the, if the, if the dates match, and also the family names match, like, you know, the relationship. Yeah, the relationships. Yeah. Like the marriage. I'm confident in that case. I'm finding in with, I don't know if this is true, but in, in others research, but in African American research, if you have enslavement. You know, a lot of times you don't have a last name, but I'm, I am finding last names, but I'm also finding surnames as first names. And at first, you know, people were dismissing and saying, Oh no, that's not related because that's his first name. That's not his last name. And I said, no, no, no, no, I said, you need to wait a minute here. I said, if they're in the same area of the country or the town or whatever. It's highly likely that someone said, Oh, well, I like that name, even though that was Massa so and so's last name. I have a question. First name. Finding these people are related. I have a question, Jennifer. So I was doing some of that research on the outer bridges, right? And I actually found a record in Maryland. That talked about a Mary Ella, daughter of Outer Bridge Horsey. And I thought, well, this is weird. I'm looking for the last name, but it's coming up as the first name. And I'm just wondering if they flipped it and the guy's actual name was Horsey Outer Bridge. Quite possible. I'm running into and spent in Virginia. I've got some weird things going on in Virginia. I'll link it just in case you want to look at it. And I'm going to do that a lot. And I also am appreciative kind of women who get, I see a lot of this where they give their children their maiden name. Either a middle name or a first name. So they can keep the name going, which is so helpful. I'll click on that link there, Jennifer, because that's going to take you to the page I was looking at. It's in the chat here. It's in the chat. It's a screenshot of a newspaper page. And then you want to zoom in to be able to see the area that's highlighted in red. You should highlight. I see it. Hold on. I was broadening my search. So I ended up looking for Ella Outer Bridge just to see if I could find that phrase. I also came up, you know, so there's like a Mary Ella. I don't know if that's like the same Ella. I see Mary Ella, daughter of Outer Bridge horsey of Frederick County was married in Washington DC. Yeah, I know. I was like, oh, that's like a high esteem family. So I didn't know that was related to you and not, I don't know. I have no idea, but it's always worth a look. A little bit that I found on them is they, you know, I found some records in Plymouth, and then all of a sudden, the records just stopped. I couldn't find anything. And I was like, well, where did these people, you know, did they just disappear? You know what happened? And then I started doing research and found out that Martin County, which is the adjacent county to Washington County is about this big. And they had about four fires during the Civil War. So so many of their records just disappeared. And also because it was a small county, there, I guess this wasn't work. So people left Martin and moved to the bigger city, bigger town. So I was like, oh, I said they didn't originate in Plymouth. That's why the records start and stop at a certain time because they came from another place. They suddenly appeared at that location. Yeah, so I have to do, you know, a little bit more research, dig deeper to find them because they didn't originate there. Now, I think that's where they came from. This is great. This is building a story. This is saying how they started replacing going to another place. I mean, both of you, Linda and Jennifer, both you've done some really amazing detective work already. So thank you for sharing with us. Well, I think, you know, it's going to take me some time to learn wiki and all the little wiki tree and all the little things about it but I, what I think I like about it is it gives me a place to store the data and the information. Because in reality, most of my family, it doesn't, they don't do this. They're not that interested. They love to hear the stories and everything, but they're not going to be doing this. And I'm like, well, when I dropped it, you're going to throw all my stuff in the trash, aren't you? No, I'm not, no, I'm not, you know, but I'm like, yeah, yeah, you are. Digitization is very important for keeping, you know, records intact and being able to further research after even if you pass away, someone else will pick up the work after you pass. I'm going to my computer is going to shut down on me in a minute. So I got to find my plug. Many years ago from a great aunt and England who sent me pictures of my great, great, great grandfather and the great grandchildren and the uncles and aunts for went to Australia one to New Zealand to to America. And told me and hand wrote, she was 95 a bunch of family stories. That was 35 years ago before ancestry was online. And then when I lost and she told me Captain Silas Talbot of the USF Constitution was my sixth great grandfather but I didn't know how to track him down and then I, that's when I got started doing ancestry was when we got online and I could track him further because I started on paper trees. All of us stories of our family just so fascinating. How can you not, you know, when you start writing all the family stories, who you're related to. Yeah. Is it Linda is it. I'm sorry. Where do you research. Pardon. Where do you research I thought I saw some North Carolina there. Oh, all of my family are in the Carolinas, Virginia and Tennessee, Kentucky. All of them. I'm the only one in the West. Okay, well my research Virginia and North Carolina also. Yeah. I'm from Tennessee originally, but my family is not actually Tennessee. Recent family as but not historical family. And Betsy where do you research all over. Well, my, my family, I'm half Taiwanese on my dad's side, and on my mother's side. England Canada Wales, Scotland. So, yeah, that's where I spend my time. That's fun. I have a lot of friends and ancestors, so I'm part of team Germany and doing a lot of that research, but I'm now connected into what's called the great American bottleneck of early 1700s, 1800s America. And now this where I found a bunch of notable cousins. So I have one line that's Irish slash English on my paternal side. How do you, I see the, the information about the DNA. How that might be another class. You know, put your information up very helpful. Yeah, yeah, we as a whole another conversation we can have another. It is I think we, I did a DNA segment in November, just must have been December. And we could we could repeat that it's at some point. It's, I'm certainly not an expert on DNA. But I have loaded my DNA on wiki tree and is that a beginner thing or is that something you should wait until you're, you're, you know, I mean I think if you have your. What's that Murray. Yeah, are you pointing to Steven. I'm saying, I'm saying that's something you should do now might as well get it done. Yeah, yeah. As long as you, you know, you've tested with ancestry 23 and me, my, my heritage family tree DNA. Yeah, and then wiki tree likes you to upload it to. You're not really uploading. Yeah, Jed match, dead match, which is free. And then you'll end up with a Jed match ID number. Okay, I've already done that. Well, I think Steven put the help page in the chat. Yeah, this this is starting point I think it branches out from there, but effectively the idea is that yeah we're not actually linking or we're not connecting our actual tests into wiki tree, we're linking to them through a third party vendor. So you get it from the producer of the DNA test, you know, your FT DNA, your ancestry, and then you, I think you have to copy and paste like the values, the values have to go on to the third party website like get match. And then from there, once the ID is created, it creates that connection links to the data, and then you port it over to wiki tree, you know, by making that connection. And eventually after about a day, it takes about 24 hours for those things to update. You will then see relationships with other people within your genetic lines, and potentially your cousins that would have also uploaded their own test as well. And you would see those connections on Jed match, right Steven. Yeah, if they've uploaded to get Jed match not everybody has done Jed match, but everybody who's on wiki tree. There's also mitochondrial DNA as well so might oh I DNA might be the other place that they connect to, because my mags, you know runs that site so he has a whole page on that alone. So you can see, like, on my page DNA connections. There's my, I've done mito mitochondrial DNA, and autosomal. And there's my Jed match number. And you can see I have a second cousin who's also on wiki tree, but that this number 3.12% is just the expected percentage of match. Based on our relationship. Right, the estimated percentage of DNA that you share with Stuart is 3.12% because the idea is that 50% of your DNA goes to either parent so your father and mother are 50% of you, and then it goes smaller 25 12.5 etc. And eventually, you know, the very distant cousin in the situation that's still showing up, you know, at 3.12%. I think after that point starts to fall off. Right. Yeah. So, Murray, what you had a question comments. Yeah, so if I may spend a couple minutes because I've got, I've got a fair bit of experience with DNA on wiki tree. Yes. So, so there are several places where you can take DNA tests and I think Jennifer, you indicated that you've already taken a test. Yes, I tested on ancestry and then I also took advantage of, I believe it's my heritage that to transfer copy. You copied it over to my heritage. Good. That's a good move. The other places you can copy it to our family tree DNA. All right. And GED match. Okay. Have not done that. Okay. I do have a dad match profile. Yes. Do DNA tests. I thought that they just host the data. Sorry. I don't know if dead match itself actually does DNA test. I think they just host the data from the other. You uploaded it. Right. Yeah. All right. So have you, have you filled in on your profile on wiki tree, all of that information? No, I have not. All right. So you have, you, you can go to your, to your profile and you can go to the add menu and you'll see that there's actually maybe you could show it to us. That's the under the admin you there's add DNA information. I do that even though I've added mine. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's going to go to yours. Not, not anybody else. Okay. Add DNA test. So I under the top menu add DNA test information. Okay. So now, so this is Betsy's. And she can add more tasks. Okay. She can add as many tasks as she needs to given, given where she is. Okay. What she wants to indicate is what's the ID of your test that that's at those different places. And the reason you're doing this is so that other people who are, who find you as a match. If they find you on wiki tree, they can say, Oh, okay. Jennifer has her test that all these different places I can go to all those different places and check my matches against her. Okay, that makes it easier. It's a one stop shopping place where you can come to wiki tree and you can find out all about the person that you just found a match with. Now you can start start exploring that a little bit further. Okay, now that's with autosomal DNA. That's the basic DNA test that we did most of us take. And you're at all the right places. So you don't need to worry about that. Now there's there's another test that you could take, which is called the mitochondrial DNA which Betsy took. Now the mitochondrial DNA test is one that's available from family tree DNA. And, and once you've taken a family tree DNA, empty DNA test, you can then share that information with two different plates, two different sites, one of them is called why full. And the other one is called mito why DNA and wiki tree has a relationship with mito why why DNA, so that if you uploaded your mitochondrial DNA to that to the mito why DNA site, it would connect to your wiki tree thing. And people doing research on mitochondrial DNA and trying to do matches with you would be able to find you more easily and would be able to make those connections more readily. Now, one thing I'd like to point out that when you when you're doing this when you when when all of us are doing the DNA test, you know, we're doing it partly for ourselves, we're doing it partly for our own research. But really what we're doing it for is future generation, because there's only a little bit that we're going to be able to figure out right now. But in future generations, all of the DNA that we're, that we're saving right now is going to make a huge difference in their ability to do genetic genealogy. So, so the, so the right thing to do is to do it do a DNA test. Right unless you've got unless you're worried about being arrested, then you should do do a DNA test is my opinion, getting your information in here so there's edit or enter more detail she can do on this one test, or she can add a test. So let's go to add test. Oh wait, so first of all you want to you want to decide what kind of test. So click here to select click here to select DNA test. Okay, and so you could pick one of those right ancestry or or whatever. And then it's going to let's let's just go to straight ancestry DNA yeah. Yep. Okay now over to the right, go down a little bit Betsy. And now, now it wants you to fill in some information. Okay, so you don't have a yd and a portal. You don't have one of those, the first one. So don't worry about that one. It wants to know your ancestry.com username. Okay now that so, so, so when you sign into onto ancestry they assign you a special name, it's not your, it's not your full name, it's not Jennifer Halsey. But there's a there's a name they gave you, that's your ID. Okay, and that's what they want here. Okay, that then if you've got if you've got a GED match D that represents the same kit that you uploaded to GED match, then you put your GED match ID in here. Okay so now, once, once that's all done, and you and we and we say add test which we're not going to do Betsy. Once, once that information is filled in and you press add test, then wiki tree is going to be is going to know, and so is GED match going to know. Okay, the person associated with this profile is the same person associated with this GED match kit, and it's the same person associated with this ancestry kit. Okay, so we've got we've made those connections. Now when you when you're on GED match, and people are looking at you as a match, they're going to see in the column, it's going to see wiki tree for where your tree is. And they're going to be able to jump directly from GED match right to you and wiki tree. Okay. So, so we want to do that on every test that we can, every test that we do like an ancestry test, and, and a micro control DNA test. And if you do tests with other companies, then you should add them a separate test. So for example, you've copied your tests to FT DNA and my heritage and Jed batch. So we only need to do this once we only need to declare your ancestry test, and what the GED match number is, we don't need to talk well, we don't need to talk about the other ones but we can. Now, it's, and we can, and we can do that because we want people to know that we're the same person on these other sites right. You're the same Jennifer Halsey on ancestry you're the same Jennifer Halsey on on family tree you're the same Jennifer Halsey on my heritage. So, so then you would add scroll back up a little bit more. Oh no actually go go to where it says ancestry DNA and pick another one, like family tree DNA. You just do the same for each one family. Yeah, family tree family finder. Go ahead, select that. Now, now it now it wants to know your family tree DNA kit number. So you put that in saying deal with my heritage. Okay, so now wiki tree is going to know that these are all the same kids. And importantly, anybody who's coming to look at you and say who is this person I'm matching with Jennifer Halsey. Oh look, he's the same person on ancestry she's the same person here and there. I'm going to go check all my matches and make sure she's all in all those matches. And it's a good strong match. And now now I'm made now maybe I can find a third person and we can make a triangle. And then we can write a DNA confirmation now that's way down the road Jennifer writing DNA confirmations is something you won't do for a couple of years. Okay, but it's, but it's something that you can, you know, you work towards right you have your matches, and you figure out who you're connected with and then you start writing confirmations. Yeah, okay, that's another person. Yeah, yeah, excellent. And I have to say just to reassure Jennifer, I did this early on in my wiki tree journey. And it wasn't that hard. I mean, just sort of go thorough go slowly through the steps. It's not you can do it. So it's like a one time thing you can add it and once you've done it you can you're done, you don't have to black and keep no dating and whatever. Well, somebody said about that so certain tests have the ability to upgrade so if you had, I mean as a man I have why DNA that I can use to follow my paternal line for example, a lot of the tests are expensive so you don't get the biggest one initially, but like there's a why 700 if you spend a lot of money to get all of those, you know, pinpoints. I think I'm like at a the diamond the mid range one right now. So in the case of like increasing the detail on those. I think it does allow you to go back in and edit some of that information to add additional points. So like now you said, okay, I've upgraded to the 56 or whatever the number is, that is something that you might want to update over time. But initially most of the things you're going to start with are going to be at the very bottom they're going to be the base level stuff. And a lot of cases of the autosomal stuff you won't have to worry about upgrading that because that's that's going to be you know what you've purchased what you've already bought right. Some of the other ones that are more advanced like the why DNA those would have steps where you would want to make sure that it's as updated as possible on wiki tree. Does that make sense. Yeah, I manage three other family members DNA. So I would need to create, they're all living. So I need to, well now I take it back, two of them are living. So three of them, three of them are living. They should upload their own DNA so they should really have their own profiles and do it themselves because you can't really upload someone else's. You are them and my dad, my aunt, my great aunt, my aunt, my dad. My mom who's deceased are the three main ones and there's no way that my dad or my aunt is going to do anything they're 91 and 92. It's not happening. Who is our resident DNA expert to talk about things like that for uploading for deceased individuals. Well, I haven't dealt with these individuals, but as far as living people go to your, I think you said your grandparents. Is that right? My father and my aunt. Do they yet have an email address? Have they ever had one? My father does my aunt does not. I made one for her when I did do her kit and everything. All right. Now I think I saw that you have a laptop. So all you need to do, all you need to do is go to where they are and you create their profiles for them. And then you add their email address. And so you do that while you're there with them. You add their email address. They will get an email and they will be, they will then take over their profile. Now you'll be sitting there with them. So when they take over the profile, you're going to help, you're going to walk them through the process and save it. And then you're going to close that up and you're going to help them set their, the privacy on their, on their profile to the right level so that just, just the minimum amount is visible because they're still living. And, and then that'll be done. And, and, and one day when, when they pass, then their profiles will become more open and their DNA information will be available. But until then, it'll only be available to the people who were on the trusted list. So for example, you would be on the trusted list. I would expect you might, you might have them add other family members to the trusted list. You might ask them to make you the manager of their profile, in which case you can then easily add people to the trusted list on their behalf. And, and when they pass, you'll be able to notify wiki tree and, and provide them with the information they need for, for the proper disposal of that, of that profile. I know that my, my, my auntie has, I tested my dad on 23 and me, and I tested her on ancestry. And she's gets hits every day, every day. And it's really expanded the tree, my family tree because she's, I don't know what it is about her DNA but I mean it's every day I'm getting a notice. I got a connection, I got a connection, I got a connection. So, I need to really, and I haven't explored a lot of them, some of them I have but And I do want to say that I do, I don't have any qualms about privacy or craziness or whatever about DNA, because I was contacted four years ago by a woman who said she was looking for birth parents and that we were showing up as cousins. And I was like, okay, fine, whatever. The long story short ended up finding out that she was given up as given up at birth, and she is my second cousin. And I had never, never known about her. And we met, found out that we lived 15 minutes apart. And we, you know, stayed in touch and met each other. And unfortunately, she passed away three years later from breast cancer. So I, you know, I'm like, this DNA stuff is great. I mean, you never know what you'll find. I mean, I didn't realize I was living 15 minutes away from my third cousin. And I ended up meeting her in a parking lot of a pet store. Because I was admiring her car. Because it was covered in Star Wars stickers. That's why I started talking. And she told me her last name was like, wait a minute, I just talked to your brother a month ago. She had the same last name as her brother. So it was like, I found my third cousin two times removed in the wild in Milwaukee. It was ridiculous. And now we're just like, you know, talking to each other on a regular basis. That's the ancestors leading you all together. Oh, yeah, it's so funny, especially in this area, you know, because I don't have like direct connections to the Milwaukee area of my lines, but some of the cousins branched off and that's where they moved to. So there's probably more of a floating around here. I just don't even know. Yeah. I think we're coming up on the two hour mark. What I'm going to do is I'm going to stop our recording. And then it doesn't mean we have to we have to take a good night instantly. But let me just stop the recording. I'll say thank you very much to everybody. This has been a really fascinating interest in conversation we I think we covered a lot. So I hope that those of you who are watching later get a lot out of it and Linda and Jennifer thank you so much for. Oh, thank you for offering to help. Yeah. Good night. Just make one quick comment. Yes, yes. I want to thank you for that cheat sheet that you put out on the free on the free page free space page. It was an absolute lifesaver I've been using it ever since. Oh good. So if you add little tidbits to that page. Sure. Yeah. Yes, I will. I will keep updating it. Okay. Good night. Good night. Thank you.