 You can definitely force yourself to improve or get in better shape or lose weight by hating yourself or through shame, however you will rob yourself of the joy of feeling like you did it voluntarily. There's a very big difference. One feels forced. One feels like tyranny. The other one is joyful. I chose to do this. I did this because I wanted to. Guess which one leads to sustainable progress? Guess which one sticks around longer? If you're saying shame, you're wrong. It's the other one. So don't use shame to get results. I'm listening to a book right now called... Justin's a big shame guy. Shame on you for putting that up. I feel shameful for that. I'm reading a book called non-aggressive communication. I believe Marshall... let me look it up because... and I've shadowed this book out. Nonviolent. Sorry, nonviolent communication by Marshall Rosenberg. And this gentleman is psychotherapist and he talks about how we communicate to others and how we communicate to ourselves and how big of a difference it makes in understanding communication, being able to express your needs and the way that we, again, like how we tend to communicate to ourselves is the way that we're raised through society, which is you did that. You made that mistake. Therefore you're a bad person or therefore you're a bad kid or a bad husband or whatever. And that idea, which we can apply to fitness, right? Like, I went off my diet. True. I'm such an idiot or I have no discipline or I'm so fat or I'm so unattractive or whatever. That can definitely motivate you to make some changes. You can hate yourself to make some changes, but then you don't feel the uplifting, freeing joy of I'm doing this because I want to. I really am doing this because I want to grow. It feels forced and human behavior shows us that when we do things because we're forced to do them, either we'll tyrannize ourselves in the ground or we rebel. We end up standing up to ourselves or to whatever the tyranny is. And that typically looks like a swing of the pendulum in the opposite direction. And this, we communicate many different ways on the podcast, but I loved the way he said it in the book. Do you think that's a natural progression that you have to go through though? I think, like, do you think the average person or the majority of people could actually joy themselves to the gym? Or do you feel like you, part of the natural evolution is having shame because I'm not healthy, because I'm fat, because I'm lethargic, because I don't have energy, because I'm weak, because I have this disease, because the list goes on. Well, you just listed a bunch of facts. You didn't list anything that's shameful. So facts are, I'm overweight, I have low energy, heart disease. You can feel shame because of all those facts. You can add to that and say... So that's my point though, right? So... It's like a signal. Those are all the facts. But that leads to... I feel shameful and I go to the gym. Do you think the average person can get to a place of being able to reframe that and come from a place of joy and say, you know what, I'm going to go to the gym because I want to take care of myself? Or do you think it requires that initial push of being uncomfortable, maybe not even liking yourself or to go there first? So I know. I don't think it's required. So being uncomfortable is different. So you can be uncomfortable. You could be overweight. You could have... Oh, no, I got heart attack or heart disease. That's different than I'm a bad person. That's different than a judgment on that. It's just like if you're a kid, you got a two-year-old and your kid does something they're not supposed to, but they're two and they don't know any better. You're not like, man, what a terrible person. You're like, oh, they're two. Like, okay, but let's correct that behavior. Now, the reason why I say... Because this book makes the case that because we're raised this way and it's so normal, we can get the rewire. Yes. Just think that way. That's what was going to be my contribution was really... I'm sure it's like a matter of your environment or like the way that you've thought of yourself growing up and had been reinforced by your parents or peers or whoever else that you've allowed to kind of feed into how you view yourself or how you make decisions. And so I would hope that people could approach it through the joy method and to really look at it as like an opportunity to grow and to enjoy the process of it. But I think the majority of people probably go through the pain of it first like myself, where you're just like, oh, man, I'm so hard on myself. But again, I found success in that and that I was always overcoming something. There's always something wrong with me I need to fix. And I was kept driving that thought forward until it just... It was so toxic and to then have to kind of recondition myself to think differently about it took a lot of time. It kind of reminds me of that paradox that I brought up the other day in the podcast where it's like, if you're not uncomfortable enough, you get stuck in this place. That's why I think sometimes it'd be really difficult to come from a place like if all is well and you have got great self-awareness and you have good balance in your life, one thing with that, like, do you have the motivation to, hey, I'm going to go also add this workout routine and diet plan because it would be... It was going to serve me and coming from a place. Or does it require me to have a little bit of this shame or whatever to motivate you to get out of that position? Well, so if you look at some of the most difficult segments of the population, we're talking about behavior change, I think one of the most challenging would be addicts, right? People who become addicted to a substance so much so that it really disrupts their life. And if you look at the methods that have the highest success records, which all of them don't have a great success record, but the ones with the highest success record tend to have a component that either religious or some component where there's a lot of grace given to one's self. And that's why they say that they're more successful. Because a lot of drug addicts or alcoholics, they feel shitty about themselves. They know, I lost my family or I'm putting people, I lost my job and I feel terrible. But it doesn't work as a way to sustainably get yourself out of this rut. But then they have these methods like AA, one of the most known, right? The whole 12 step thing is based off of... Right. And why is that, right? Part of it is the grace that they believe in, that they receive allows them to look at themselves like this. I'm doing this thing that I need to correct. That's true. But it's different than I'm doing this thing that I need to correct. They're form an evil, terrible, stupid, shitty, whatever person. That element, when we apply that to ourselves in fitness and our space, we know this is... I mean, clients you train where like, oh my God, I went off my diet. I'm such an idiot. You know, right away, like I got to go into damage control because this person is now we're teetering on the fence of we're not going to be successful. I didn't think of the clients you had the most success with. Yeah, the clients you had the most success with transition from that into like, man, I really enjoy this. I like taking care of myself. This is a great thing. And oh wow, I made that mistake. Let me learn and grow from that. It's a totally different approach. I'm trying to recall if I can remember anybody who came, I think, with the right mindset. I feel like that was a big part of my job was teaching them how to reframe. And I mean, we talk about this all time, right? Like it's just so important that even if somebody comes in and they're like, I need to lose 30 pounds, you know, initially, you know, I agree and sign them up and we get moving. But then ultimately I have to move them away from kind of that goal, right? And to focus on all the other things that, you know, exercise and choosing to make it get better sleep and make better food choices, how much that applies to other aspects of your life than just the scale, right? Otherwise, you know, that'll be a temporary fix and they'll eventually go back. It's interesting too, because one of the ways that I started to figure this out for myself, and this wasn't even, this was not the end of it. There was a long road after this, was having kids because I could easily apply that to my kids and not feel like they were bad. In other words, if my kid made a mistake, I could look at them and be like, oh, they made a mistake. I know they're trying. You had way more empathy for them. Yeah, yeah, exactly. They're not a bad person. They're trying and, okay, I'm going to help them. I'm going to help them correct this. But yeah, when it comes to yourself, it's different. Well, when it came to me, there was no grace. There was nothing. Like you could make the same mistake I made. I'd give you grace and me. I'm an idiot. I'm a dumbass and you better stop that and whatever. And that doesn't lead to, even if it does lead to growth, the growth doesn't feel great. Yeah. It feels like crap. Don't you find one of the hardest things to reconcile though with that is like, it also tends to feed into like a superpower or somebody, you know, like you're internally tortured because of this or you're so hard on yourself. So you push yourself to elevate to a certain level. So it's like, there's always this internal conflict of this is not the health, this is not a healthy way for me to treat myself. This is not ideal. I need to evolve beyond this. Yet simultaneously, it's served me so for so long. I think about that a lot. I wonder if it's two things I think, either one, am I doing well in spite of that? Yes, that's what I think it's more just like we notice when people are so fixated on a goal. That they don't listen to their body through the entire processes have their horse blinders on and they're so fixated on getting there. And it was like, you know, fueling the fact that they could be so focused on this in spite of like, I really have, I want to, I want to be able to hang out with my friends and like, you know, relax and drink a little bit or like, you know, make, make some, some flexibility. There's no room for flexibility. I have to get there. And it's like, you know, you can only run that way so long. And I wonder if we can, some of us succeed in spite of that. So not that it's a superpower, but rather it's like, you know, hey, look at that car, that Ferrari, it's really fast. It's got to be because it has 10 bricks in the trunk. It's like, actually, if you take the bricks out, it'll go even faster. So maybe in spite of, or the second one is, I think sometimes we look at extreme like achievements and we, we identify that as success, but maybe it's, maybe it's not necessarily success. Maybe it's torture, you know, like the guy that's like super hyper productive or like, wow, you know, I got to be more like that. But then if you were actually in the shoes, I don't want to be like that. Yeah. Yeah. I think I subscribe to that more than anything else because I think it is a superpower, but what you're, what you don't see is the complete picture. You don't see also the torture and the consistent, you know, desire for more and never being content or happy. And so, but you know, yeah, I mean, I think about this a lot and wrestle with that feeling of recognizing certain insecurities and weaknesses as things that you've learned to turn into these superpowers and strengths, but then also seeing the other side of it, right? The other side of it that's bad. It's like, so how do I pull from that energy or how do I pull from that superpower to propel me in life, but then not become so addicted or drawn to it that it controls or makes all my decisions? Well, you know, what's weird about that is, uh, like, let's say somebody's struggling with that and let's say they're hyper successful at work, right? So they earn a lot of money, they're very successful, and then they've identified like, man, my life is out of balance. I'm driving myself to this, this definition of success through my insecurities. And then they have this struggle. If I fix that, do I want to let go of this thing that I think is good, which is the success? What's going to happen? If I, if I change this, will I make less money? Um, but the question is maybe you should be posed differently as will you be happier? Might be the question. And I think some of us are afraid of letting go of the thing that we're so, you know, we're, we're, we're grabbing onto so tightly, you know, I know I'm like that with fitness. We're like, yeah, I could use more balance, but I'm not going to look like that. I was just going to ask you that and challenge you in that direction. Because when you look at our space, um, including ourselves, like, you know, and I brought this up the other day about like, you know, the, the place that I'm at in my journey of health and fitness is like, you know, exercise and lifting weights is to optimize the rest of my life. Is that really what you think it is for most people in fitness? Like I don't think so in our space. No, I think we still highlight and glorify the extremes and, you know, like, I struggle, I still struggle with that. Like my struggle now is, like, I know, will it reduce, I don't know, aesthetics and performance to get happier? And if the answer is yes, then the answer should be, well, I want to be happier, but there's something, there's a part of me that still cleans to that other side. Yeah. Very strange. It's a weird part of human behavior. So it's some self-reflection as well. But of course, it's easier for me to talk about it. I mean, there's, well, I can get back to my point again, is I mean, there's also this strength of it, right? Like how often when you go places, do you get complimented on how amazing you look for your age and like how impressive you are? Like, so, I mean, that feels good. And that's, it's, it's fed into, I mean, obviously, it's a, it's a positive thing. You are a part of running a fitness company. And so, you know, looking this, like this exemplary physique and strong. And like, it's like, so those things all play a positive thing. But when you really look at it in the whole sphere of health, like- Is it a worthwhile trade? Yeah. Is it really a worthwhile trade and would actually look more like a two-time or three-time a week at most lifting weights? And would most of it actually be more mobility focused and, you know, like, I mean- Right. So again, this is something I wrestle with, I think about a lot. I think everybody wrestles with this with some aspect of their life, you know? And I think there's just a way, it's, it's, look how we raise our kids. I mean, it's like, this shame is baked into getting your kid to behave a particular way. And once you're raised that way, your internal, the way you talk to yourself is based off this. You got to change how you talk to yourself. You know how hard that is? Yeah. You ever think about how you talk to yourself? You, it's so much of it is not conscious that when you actually think about it, you're like, Oh my God, I do say- The good thing is that I think now, like I don't judge me individually. I judge us as like Voltron. So where you're over compensating, you're making up for maybe we're just- Oh, I love this. It's like a mutual fund. Yeah, yeah. So technically we're okay. So it's okay. Thank you. I feel so good now too. Since we were like one, you know what I'm saying? I love that. We got one shredded, you know, body part in there. Right when I go, you know, I should probably do more this way. Like, well, actually Sal does a lot of that stuff. He'll be the big meaty fat. Today's giveaway is maps power lift. To enter to win, leave a comment below this video in the first 24 hours that we drop it, subscribe to this channel and turn on notifications. If you win, we'll let you know in the comments section. Also, this month's program sale maps anabolic half off and maps anabolic advanced also half off. If you're interested, just click on the link at the top of the description below. All right, here comes the show. Hey, speaking of muscles and stuff, that picture I sent you guys with my daughter, why does my one year old have bigger calves than me? Oh my God, dude. They do. Both of them have unbelievable genders. They got my wife. My wife's got crazy genders. It's going to be really interesting. I can't wait to see what's going to grow up. Are they going to be athletes? Are they going to be in a bodybuilding? Like I'm so interested in- But yeah, my wife sends me a picture. My daughter, she climbs everything, which is also my wife. Apparently, my wife was little. If her mom left her alone for five minutes, she would climb the car birds. I mean, getting to dangerous spots. My daughter's got this. She's fearless with climbing things. My son's more like me, a little bit more cautious. But she climbs just because like filming her trying to climb. We have a water table, which I don't know if parents, these are really fun, right? Yeah, they're awesome. Kids love those. Oh, they love them. Go outside and just have a blast. So she was building one, had it in the house, and there goes my one-year-old to try to climb it. So she took pictures to send me, but what I noticed is calves, hamstrings. I'm like, what the hell is going on? It's crazy, dude. This baby's genetics are great. Yeah. No, I can't wait to see what they both end up being like and what they're into, you know? Yeah, totally. Speaking of kids, are you guys using the Organifi products for kids, the green? Katrina is. Yeah, yeah. So Max likes it? Yeah, yeah. No, he's like, he's been using it for a while now. So she's pretty. How does he do it? How do you do it? Just put him in a trippy cup? So yeah, it's a powder form. So she'll mix it in with stuff. Like mix it in with, like we make him oatmeal a lot. So I've seen her mix it in. Oh, so you just add it? Yeah, yeah. So I've seen her mix it into food. I've seen her make it to where he drinks it. But as far as products that are with our partners and stuff like that, he uses the Haya and the Organifi probably the most consistent, like Max does. That's probably the most consistent thing that she's. It tastes good. It takes, I tried it. Yeah, he likes it. We tend to dilute it like, because he does like it like more, like she'll, if she's having him drink it in his water, she'll dilute it down and over the course of the day, he'll end up. I think it's a great product because it's, I mean, like kids don't like vegetables. And so they're going to get the greens in something like that. And it's organic and family process. So yeah, I wonder how they're, how it's doing for them. I, it's interesting, like, adherence for adults is already hard enough. Yeah, the kids, is it more like, does it taste more like apples? Is that, because my kids already liked the other one that they had. The traditional green juice one. Yeah, it's got a milder, sweeter flavor, which I think appeals to kids a little bit more. So it has carrots, spinach, moringa, beets, coconut water, lemon juice, acacia fiber. Yep, that's it right there. So, speaking of lemons, I made homemade lemon juice, lemonade the other day. You guys ever make lemonade? Homemade lemonade? I haven't in a long time. You know how much sugar goes into homemade lemonade? It's appalling how much sugar you have to add to your face, not do this. Yeah, dude, it's mostly sugar. It's crazy. I mean, aren't all those juices like that? I mean, everything. I mean, apple juice. And I mean, all of them have to have a ton of sugar to make them like that. So you have a whole bag to finally make it. That has to be one of the worst things we did to, to children was introduce them. Make juice like a staple healthy food. Juice is healthy. And yeah, think, make parents think that apple juice and all these juices that we give kids are a good idea. A friend of mine, when their kid was little, their baby teeth got tons of cavities because they were in their sippy cup. What's so funny is if you saw a parent, okay, if you saw a parent walk over to their little two-year-old toddler and crack open a Coca-Cola and pour it into their thing, you would like, what the fuck? But it ain't that far off. What's in the sugar content that's in like apple kids, apple juice is not that far off from a half a can of Coca-Cola. But yeah, they've been marketed to like, oh, this is the way they get their fruit. This is healthy. It's like, nah. It's a little bit better, I think, these days. When we were kids, I think it was like widely accepted. Like this was kids' drink. Did you see that I gave Max a donut? Did you see that? No, I saw it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I wanted to make sure I showed them because of course everybody was like, oh my God, you gave him a donut? I said, yeah, he's now at that. This is, he's at an age now. Let me try a different thing. Where I totally, and what I love about it, and I showed him that- He used to take a bite, was it handed to you? Bro, that's it, dude, that's it. He took a bite and gave it back to you? Yes, took a bite, and then I showed a video the next day of the donut. Not even half of it was eight. And I ate the bigger bite out of us. Like, and it was literally that easy too. We bought it, we sat there together. He took a bite, I took a bite, I said one more. He took like a double bite, gave it, handed it back to me. Never asked. Never asked about it again. Wow. Sat up in our hotel room where he could see it and everything like that. And that, I did want to do that. That's part of why I did it was I wanted to show the audience because this is the relationship he has now with that. He's definitely had cake, he's had ice cream, he's had everything. Like, I've introduced sweets to him now, but because I feel like we waited so long and that we can have communication because we share when we do it, the habits that he has around is incredible. Do you know what he's reminded me? Do you know what they give infants when they're trying to draw blood, to prevent them from crying or feel pain? They give them like a sugary liquid. Yeah, all right, all right. And it makes the baby not cry. Yeah. What? Yeah. You're telling me that, you're trying to tell me that there isn't some serious effects. Some chemical, yeah. What? It's dopamine. I remember because when my three-year-old, they were taking blood and they gave it to him and I'm like, whoa, whoa, what are you giving him? I thought they were giving him some kind of medicine. Oh, it's nothing, it's just sugar water. And then I'm like, whoa, what, has that effect? Yeah. That's crazy. Unbelievable, dude. But it's cool, it's very cool to see because of course when I was going through that, I had the extreme people on the other side going like, oh my God, your kid's going to rebel and he's going to eat all these candies and be like- No, because you didn't make it a thing. Yeah, exactly. Because this wasn't there. I was like, it was like, all I did was wait until the goddamn kid could talk, right? He could have a conversation about it. Like, I didn't introduce it to him because he didn't need to know what it was. And then when it got to that age, where other kids were having it and he's around it and he can understand what it is, it's like, and then now he has this relationship where he can take a bite of something and then walk away from it. That's great. It's freaking awesome. Did you guys see Planet Fitness and their stalk and everything that's happening right now? The mass, did you hear about this thing? Over the transgender thing, right? Yeah, it's telling me. I don't know any of the details. I'm going to pull it up right now. So someone took a photo. Oh, it was. Okay, go ahead. I mean, it's almost crazy. It didn't know it is crazy. So a woman took a photo of a man shaving in the women's locker room. This man identifies as a woman. And she posted... Shaving his face? Believe so. It was his face or something. His armpits, maybe. Yeah, I don't think it was his face. I think it was somewhere else. He looked up the picture, Doug, because I want to get this accurate. Anyway, and he identifies as a woman. So she took a picture, complained. Planet Fitness revoked her membership. Cancelled her membership. For taking the photo. For taking the photo. The stock is down almost 7% and they have mass... Now, the reason why she took a picture was because at the same time, there was a 10-year-old girl inside the bathroom. Oh, was that really it? Yeah, so that was the point. The lady came and complained and said, there's a man in the woman's bathroom and there's a 10-year-old child in here at the same time. And obviously got in trouble for taking the photo. Which, okay, I get that, right? Because you shouldn't have take photographs in any restroom, so... Sure. But I also understand what she probably was using it for proof, right? Yeah, so that's the... Okay. Okay, he was shaving his face. His face. Oh, my God. Yeah, and oh, man. It's an interesting time on what's going on. I don't know how I feel. Well, I do know how I feel about it. Well, yeah. I mean, I don't know that I care to comment how I feel. Well, okay, so, yeah, but here's... And now it's a private company. Do what you want. Yeah. They're going to... They're going up to them how they handle it. They're going to see how the market reacts. So it's a private company. You can do... Yeah, I always... So when I see stuff like this, I'm always curious about how it really unfolded. How did the business really handle it in person? Because obviously, headlines are always designed to evoke... Sensational. Yeah, to evoke some sort of emotion from the right or the left. And like, we're up in arms and you take a side. Oh, I defend the lady. Oh, I defend the guy who identifies as a lady. Like, oh, then we're going to turn in this big fight. It's like, you know... Because here's... If I'm... If it's your gym, okay? One, it's a big no-no to take a photo of anybody. I don't care what you identify as. Okay, so that's... So I'm probably going to reprimand the lady for that period. Like, I didn't need a photo of him shaving in there. Because you could probably tell me that, and I could probably figure that out. Like, you know, who it is. Give him my heads up. Or you could point them out. Come in. Yeah, you could point out. I could say, hey, there's somebody in there. And then at that point, if it's my gym... Then I'm having a conversation with the man who identifies as a woman and like letting him know on what I want done in my facility, like whatever that may be. And I don't know where... I don't know what public setting where I would be comfortable with someone who identifies as a woman going into the woman's... In a woman's bathroom where it's public. And children could potentially be in there. I think if that's possible, I think there's no way I would... That's a bigger discussion. Yeah, I don't... That's definitely a big discussion. Now, it's a private company. They can do what they want. So I'll support planet fitness in their decision, but the market will respond the way the market's going to respond. It looks like they're getting hit where I draw the line. And I've said this before. Well, yeah. I mean, what would you... Okay. I draw the line with sports. That's where I draw the line. Now, with private locker rooms and bathrooms... Well... Okay, that's up to you. Does that need to be disclosed? It's not private though. It's a public bathroom. Planet fitness? Yeah, that's why you have to be a member. Well, okay, a member of the facility. But I mean, any age group can go in there, so... If they're a member. If it's your facility and you own it, then theoretically you can make... As long as you don't break a law, then it's your policy. Now, a public bathroom owned by the government, now we can have a discussion because this now involves us. Voting or whatever the case may be. But sports is where I draw the line because that's very clear. That's obvious to me. I mean, I draw the line where a young child can be in there. That's where I would draw the line. Like until you got female parts and the eight-year-old kid is not going to be able to tell the difference. I mean, as a father, I agree. Fuck yeah. I'm not okay with that. I don't know if... If it's my facility, that's how it goes down until then. Oh, if I... Yes, yes. If I owned a gym, that would be mine. And I think that's the uproar that you get. That's probably the response. But again, that's in the structure of the company and how they outline that. They have to just be transparent. If this is the case, this is how basically that person is going to be in the locker room. And so now people coming in with a kid that's touring the gym have to know that this is a possibility that somebody identifies as a woman that's a man is in there doing their thing. And that could be a potential variable. And you decide in your life for yourself. Yeah. So what makes me annoyed is when people don't understand that. So because you also get on the other side, you remember years ago that trans women's suing? I forgot what it was. It was like a waxing place for not waxing their genitalia. The vagina even the... Yeah. No, we work on vaginas not testing it. They sued them. Now they lost. But this whole private organization should be able to say yes or no. Yeah. It'll go somewhere else. That's the point. That's the discrepancy. Yeah. Totally. So we bought stock in plan to finish. We sold it, right? Not my best recommendation, I think. How's the ticker doing, Doug? It went down. It went down. Do we have any money left? Yeah. Did we sell it? We must have sold it. I hope we did. I think we might have it. Let me look. Oh, I think we have it. I'm pretty sure we still have it. I don't think we sold that one. Well, speaking of stock and stuff, you brought up Weight Watchers and Oprah. She came out. So... She did. So she's legit? Okay. So she had a special on last night. And I thought it was interesting because I saw all the... And I share with you guys, all like the promo leading up to it. And it just was like she... So she said at the table, like how her mind has been completely changed around obesity as a disease in the past. She didn't believe that way. It's been explained to her now. And there's absolutely a very specific gene that puts you at a different position and that obesity is a disease and these drugs are potentially what is going to save all these people. And so she's set the table like that. I find it really interesting that she pulled out of Weight Watchers and donated her money. So there would be no sort of controversy. My prediction because her little special that she had seemed like a giant promo for the GLP Ones. She's going to be promoting GLP Ones. Yes. And so I think she pulled herself from Weight Watchers. I think she saw... Which partnership does she have with the pharmaceutical companies? That's what I'm waiting for, right? I'm waiting for a big deal with Pfizer or start up her own company or something along those lines. That's my prediction. And by the way, I bought more shares on Weight Watchers again because it's still down. It's down even more than what it was before. So it went from four to three to like 250 right now. And I bought again because I think that's... I think she saw the writing on the wall with what they were doing. And she's going to try and compete. That's my thing. And by the way, I want to do a public service announcement right now. Any stock picks that we mentioned on the show, I'm not going to necessarily recommend because right now our Weight Watchers is down 43%. And our Planet Fitness is down 39%. So I don't recommend it. Well, I'm pretty sure I say that every time I say it. You could do the opposite of what Adam says. That's a good idea. You could have shorted those stocks. I know. I hate labeling... First off, what's the idea or goal behind labeling something a disease versus... Like alcoholism. It's a disease versus you're addicted and you have this issue. By the way, she used that as a... I know she did. There's a gene. Okay, that's not a guarantee. First of all, that's not how those work. But why label something a disease? What's the difference? Is there a difference in how insurance covers the cost? I think so. And I think that may be the motivation. Kind of leans more in the medical condition. Yes. Because if you can make obesity a disease, then you can now insurance companies... The treatments are covered. ...are covering it. Well, 100%. You'll add 100%, dude. That's the whole... Because otherwise what's the difference? Oh, I'm obese. But it's a disease versus it's not. Okay, in order to not be obese, the same things apply. You still have to have the same rules apply. Yeah. And these GOP ones are legit. I mean, they are effective, but you still have to... To behave your modifications, you have to... For it to stick, you got to get a change. Yeah. And it's not a miracle, Acura. It's just one of the most effective medical interventions that we've seen. Do you want to buy some more planet fitness, Doug? I don't think so. I mean, technically, this is when you're supposed to buy again. You got to double down right now, Doug. Where's Bud Light at these days? Yeah, they're back, Doug. They're back, man. Are they? Are they are, okay? Yeah, and they got... Shane Gillis is like one of their main... Oh, yeah. Spokesperson now, which I think is brilliant. Oh, he's so great. I saw... I don't know. I think that in UFC is obviously a big partner of them now. So you see this big, complete steering direction. Yeah. I mean, I said that originally. That's the power of the market. I said that they would come back. I mean, I have too big of a monster for like... Of course. There's a blip on the radar. Like, it'll be interesting to see when 24 months have gone by if it was a wash or a net positive for them. Yeah. You know? Yeah. Just because... A really smart company can turn it into a positive. Yes. Yes. Everybody likes the comeback story. Yeah, 100%. Speaking of Pfizer, did you... Okay, so I got some interesting stuff on Pfizer. So did you see that they released... So first off, remember Pfizer at one point with the CDC, they said, we're going to release the data on the potential side effects or effects of the COVID vaccines. And we'll do it in 75 years. You guys remember that? They tried to make it so that it would release in 75 years. Yeah. People came back and said, no. They pushed it. They forced it. They did Freedom of Information Act. Well, they just released the paper on myocarditis after COVID vaccination. You ready for this? It's 148 pages. Oh my God. You ready for this? Yeah, let's see. Every single word in that report was redacted. So you're a congressperson. You're going to get a report and it's going to be a bunch of black lines. It's just black lines through it. Yes. How's... What's the point? What? Yeah. How? Why? What is the point? I don't know. Nothing. They released nothing. That's what they did. That's crazy. Oh, that's crazy. Isn't that insane? Speechless. Yeah, I am speechless. It's like it's one of those things. It just baffles me to the nth degree as far as people like readily being on board with a lot of information that we've been fed. And then you come back and you see all the way they're handling all of this evidence and just even just interest and intrigue like, hey, you know, what actually occurred from the vaccines? Like are people thriving from them? Is anybody like, you know, is there been any symptoms we should know about? I mean, are you guys really surprised? Are you surprised? It's just like... No, I'm not surprised. I'm about as surprised as I am about Dan Buzzerin coming out and saying he monogamy is the way to go. Yeah, did you see that? Dan Buzzerin. I was about for a surprise. Damn. Wow. Did you see that coming? I hope... You know what? So Dan Buzzerin... People don't know, right? Dan Buzzerin, he was like the modern Hugh Hefner, you know... Maybe crazier. The stats, the numbers he was touting is he said on a normal day... He's having sex with three... Two to three women on a normal day. Different women. Yeah, every day. A lot of times five to seven, the most was nine. He seemed a bit healthier than Hugh Hefner, you know, in terms of like... He's got all the stim sales. He's got more thrust. I don't know. Yeah, well, so he was like the modern Hugh Hefner, right? Like rich dude, travel, party, hot chicks or whatever. You see this on social media. And now he's coming out and he's like, no man, that's not the way dude. He's like, I think monogamy. Now our young man... I only needed a thousand times to figure it out. Yeah. You know what's funny? The people... Here's what's interesting. The people who will give you... Like there's people who've achieved incredible wealth, who'll come back and say it's not what makes you happy. Or there's people that achieve certain amount of success, they'll come back and be like, listen, I'm telling you, I've been there, happiness wasn't there. Here's Dan Bilzerian, money, all the women, all the partying and drugs. He comes back and he says, nah, listen, this is not... I mean, at least he comes out and says it, right? I appreciate that. I appreciate the people that... Because there's obviously a lot of people that still put on the facade. Yeah. Pretend or continue to try and fill the hole with like all these other things and fake it. I won't say it. Sorry, Justin. What? Fill the hole. No, keep talking. My bad. I'm sorry, Doug. I'm sorry, Doug. I looked at Justin when I showed up. I know. I was like, really? You shouldn't have looked at him. That wasn't even that good of a... He made face, dude. But I mean, at least come... I mean, that was like a... Remember when Jim Carrey came out, said the same thing too? Jim Carrey came out and said, you know, like, I wish everybody could experience what it's like to be rich and famous and so like that, just so they could see that it's like... It's not as what it's cracked up to be, you know? No. So you want it so bad and then you get it and then you realize like, oh man, then you see all the other sides to it. But I thought that was crazy that he came out and said that just because he is, he's kind of like the poster boy. He's like, ooh, what weird meaningful relationships, like you actually have better sex, you know? And like you're actually more connected to that person and you want to be around them. It's like, oh, weird. Yeah, it's... I mean, obviously it's like old wisdom. I don't know. I think we discard old wisdom because it's old and we think we maybe know better. You know what's funny? Well, I also think, okay, I don't think it's just that too. I think that we're also driven by novelty and so there's... And hedonism. Yes. Yeah. So, you know, that's, you know, a different chick, a different boat, a different car every day sounds very novel and exciting. And then I think you do that a thousand times, you know, or whatever. And you realize that like, oh wow, it's like as novel and as cool as novelty is, there's something else that's deeper. Way better. In fact, I was on, I read this article and it was like the new, you know, the new trend in relationships. I like that how it said new about polyamory. Okay. Now, first off, that's not new. That's old. Yeah. That was tried for a long time in lots of different societies. We all figured out it actually works out better if we try to be monogamous. But it was so funny reading the comments of people. It's like, yeah, you know, it's great. We have this relationship, whatever. And it's like, you know, let's see where this ends for you. You know, where this is going to end up. Because you're in your twenties now, you think it's a good time or whatever. But I mean, the data on dating apps shows when people are doing that, what ends up happening is you get 10% of the guys attract 90% of the girls, all the other guys are kind of left behind. And those 10% of the guys get bloated egos and then the women get hurt. And it's just, it's a mess. That's been, that was the best explanation for why we moved away from like open relationships, right? That like if we evolved where you did. Polygonal violence went through the roof. Yeah. I mean, it makes so much sense, right? That the, you know, handful of really strong, attractive, you know, men. Lots of resources. Resortment. Yeah. Got all the women. And then, you know, sure that for those guys, it was good for a while. But then after a while, when that, when they represent only 10%, and then 90% of the guys are getting no women, like, yeah, see what kind of. I listen to this, this woman who she's, I can't remember her name. In fact, I'm trying to get her on the show. So now I wish I remember her name, but she's, she's a, she's a, I believe a scientist. She studies human behavior. And she said, the way that I, this gentleman asked her, what do you think about open relationships? And she said, the way that I judge a behavior, or one of the best ways to judge a behavior is to see how it affects the most vulnerable in our society, children. So anytime we're doing something new, if we're trying to decide, is this a good or a bad thing? That should always be our gauge. Yes. Like, is it better for children or worse for children? Right. And she said, when we're talking about open relationships, polyamory, is it better or worse for children? And the, and it's worse. It's worse for children. Children not knowing who dad is or people, you know, they don't have that same connection or mom is not paying attention to her percent or that entirely focused on raising the children. And that's what the data shows. What an interesting lens. Think about any behavior. I know, I was just, I was just trying to kind of rack my, like, where is that not true? Like, was there, where is there an example where we've, where we've done something where it's like, if we would have just looked through that lens, it would have been a much easier answer. Totally. I mean, the conversation we started on is a good example of that. Yeah. I thought that was so brilliant. Like, is that probably a healthy thing for the kids to see or try and figure out, you know what I'm saying? Or is it probably not very healthy? Like, that's actually a really interesting lens to look at. Dude, that was a stronger lens a few years back, you know? Yeah. It seems like it's changed for sure. Yeah, totally. A study came out in Fasting that annoyed the hell out of me. So I'll go over it with you guys. It's flying all over the place because the title or the study itself says that, and I'll read it to you. It says, and this is what I hate about studying, about studies sometimes, or yes, I hate this about studies or media. Here's the title. Eight hour time restricted eating, intermittent fasting, is linked to a 91% higher risk of cardiovascular health or death. So what they found in this study was that by eating in an eight hour time window. Is that because they went around to all the rest homes where people don't eat any food? So here's what they did. They studied 20,000 adults. And they said, they found that those who ate within an eight hour time restricted eating schedule, okay? They had a much higher rate of cardiovascular disease than those who ate throughout the day, like normal people. That was the control. The control was these people eat from 4pm to, you know, from, you know, 8pm to this time or whatever. That's it, not what they choose to eat, not anything else. Now, what do you guys know? You go out in the average population and you find a bunch of people that only eat. Yeah, they skip breakfast and then they go through a drive-through for lunch or something. Yeah. Like, oh, if you take a bunch of people from the street and you find a bunch of people, yes, that start eating at 6pm and stop eating at midnight or start eating at noon and stop eating at right, well, you're going to find a bunch of unhealthy eating. That's typically what happens. There were no controls on what they ate, if they exercised, what they valued. It was just, we knew that, look, as gym owners and trainers, I knew that unless somebody was practicing fasting because they were health conscious, if people skip meals, typically there's unhealthy habits around it. Who funds a study like that? Like, what's the desired outcome on something like that? What are you about to prove or disprove or what? It doesn't even make sense why you would put even any money in the direction to do that. You know, it was a study from, I believe, it was the American Heart Association, but I mean, it's crazy because they don't, so here, I'll read what the analysis found. People who followed a pattern of eating all of their food across less than eight hours a day had a 91% higher risk of death due to cardiovascular disease. Well, there's also this part, Sal, which is my biggest knock on like intermittent fasting, is it's really hard to get all the nutrients you need. So you're also, you're also getting that with those people. So you're getting people that are probably lacking in nutrients and or making bad food choices. This is people who don't eat all day and then binge eat and make bad food choices. Yeah, it's binge eating. Period, end of story. It's promoting that. If that's the only thing you're controlling for, that's what you're going to find. If you control for what they eat, then what you'll find are- Or, yeah, I don't know the motivation to put a black eye on the movement of intermittent fasting. I don't know. Because the controls and what you've described, it just opens that up for it to just be unhealthy people binge eating. Don't most studies that we do, there's a purpose behind it, right? I mean, you're going to go spend tens of thousands of dollars or hundreds of thousands of dollars to put together a study. You normally are selling a product or you're normally trying to prove something, right? I mean, how often do we do studies on a whim or just because, oh, let's go- put a black eye on intermittent fasting? I don't know. I think maybe because it's a popular trend and people talk about it. And so the American Heart Association said, let's do this analysis. Haven't they been under scrutiny? I don't know if there was like connections there with like the sugar funding or not. Oh, I think I'm pretty sure there's been some crossover there. Well, nonetheless, it's just a bad- it just doesn't mean anything. If I see something like that, I know how people behave when it comes to diet. And if you take the average person that's not health conscious, not trying to make better choices, and you tell me, oh, this person eats one or two meals a day, I'm going to tell you right now, they don't eat healthy. That's what typically happens with the average person. Now, if you tell me, oh, I know I have a friend of mine, they intermittent fast because they believe in fasting's health benefits and they work out, whatever, they probably make good food choices. Right. So it's not the whole time window thing. If anything, what you did is you just self-selected for people who restrict and binge, who don't plan their diet. You're eating whole foods and you're trying to make good decisions within those parameters, and that's like the focused goal of it. It's a different situation. So did we announce to the audience, I know I did on my Instagram story, but I don't know if I know I talked that we were going to. I just wanted to tell the audience that I got the triseptotide. Is that how I said it? Triseptotide. Triseptotide. I just started it. I started it yesterday. So that's the GLP one. I'm going to reserve my opinion on it, even though I feel like I already noticed some things early on. It's like literally day, today's the first 24 hours. So the most popular one, semi-glutide. Triseptotide is a next-generation one that seems to be more effective. That's the one, but they're both GLP ones. So semi-glutide, triseptotide, brand names, ozempic, wegovi. I think triseptotide brand name is Monaro, if I'm not mistaken. Okay. But you just starts once a week, sub-Q injection. Yep. And yeah, you said you already noticed. I did, but I don't want to talk too much about it because you know me. I'm super skeptical of all of that. And I need to see some patterns first. But I did notice the very first night when I would normally have a craving. I didn't. And so it'll be interesting to see. It was an out of the ordinary feeling. Yes. Yes. So again. Any change in sleep? Too early to tell. It's one night. Yeah, that's true. I had great sleep last night, but I mean, that's why too. Like I want to tell the audience it's, I'm starting it. Literally, this is like the first full day has gone by. Is that craving thing trends in that direction? That'll be real interesting. Well, it'll be for sure because that's super consistent with it. Yes. And I, and like I was, Katrina was asking me like how, like, um, like, well, how can you tell us like this? I said, well, I said, yesterday was there, we, some consistent behaviors that I've done a thousand, tens of thousands of times that I can, I recognize. And I said that, you know, we went for a walk. So I created extra activity that I normally would. I ate, uh, you know, a protein bar and then a poke bowl for lunch, which is a lean lunch for me. Then I had a lean dinner. Then I trained on top of that. I said, and then I also even smoked weed early. And I know when I, when all those things line up like that, I know what kind of night ends up happening. Ice cream. Yes. Or I'm, or even crushing a big old bowl of magic spoon to, to subdue that a little bit, right? Like I know how I feel the urge I have, uh, to want to eat like that. And I said, I didn't have that, uh, last night at all. So that's really interesting to me. So we'll see if more of these days like that happen where I feel that way. And it'll be, and I have, and I actually intentionally have left some stuff at my house so that it's easy accessible. So I'm actually making it more difficult. You attempt yourself. Yeah. Yeah. So instead of like trying to really set myself up for success, I'm not, I'm not like, oh, let's make sure there's nothing in the house. I can't get like there's ice cream in the freezer. There's candy treats in the house. Like there's things that I know that if that urge is coming on it, like I don't have a barrier in front of me. It could be really easy for me to do it because I kind of wanted to do that. I kind of wanted to put it like in a situation where, and then even going to allow myself, if I really want to go do it, like, cause whatever one has told me is that you still will want those things, but then you'll like have a bite and you'll be satisfied. So I have a few clients and friends that have taken it. I have friends that are saying. And that what they say to me is like, oh yeah, it's not like you won't like ice cream ever again. It's like, but what you'll see is if you would know yourself as like an ice cream, which is I am, I'm the type of guy who could eat like a tub in one sitting, right? So if I can just go have like a bite of it, just wolf it down real quick. Yeah, right. Can I go just have a couple bites of it and feel satisfied? And I'm more interested in, because that I think is pretty well established. I mean, it's very well established. It does that. I'm interested in the other potential effects. I want to see if you notice any changes in mood, any anti-depressive effects. Nicer to us. He seems like he's in a better mood today. Right? Who knows? I'm noticing. Yeah, I bet Sabine it could be a little bit. We'll see that. We'll see that. Let's see that. I want to know, I want to know, I want to see if you notice any changes in other habits that maybe you have. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm paying attention to everything, right? So I'm going to, I'll keep everybody posted as I go through it. I'll be tracking. By the way, Adam, you go through our partners at nphormones.com. So anybody who don't go online and go, you know, with a non-doctor prescription, I have been meaning to bring this. So I saw a video, I don't know how like wide span this is or not, but like in China, they have, so you've heard of like, you know, with Russia and China, they've had influence in terms of like being able to get you a bunch of commenters or like, you know, spammers, you know, that kind of stuff, your comments. Well, they, there's this video that was like showing a factory and then out in the streets, even with like those ring lights and everything with somebody in front talking to camera and doing their whole thing in spiel. And literally it was like this sea of influencers that they're all like grooming to, to be like, you know, to promote something. So to promote, like just, just, just farming influencers all like together in like one area and like coaching them all. And it was like hundreds of them. Like it was, it was like, it freaked me out. Like a Black Mirror episode. Yeah, I was like, this is horrific. Well, you know, you think about it with cheap, in countries with cheap human labor, I mean, it's very, I guess you could pay thousands of people to create something, to push something to make it kind of viral. Or give them a persona, give them a script, you know, then just have them, just throw them out there and see what, you know, you can get. Well, I know that's one of the things that like the Facebook and Instagram and TikTok, they're all trying to figure out like how to, to figure out when the, when people are using farming, what do they call them? Cell phone farms or whatever I don't think they're called. Because that feeds into the algorithm. You know, part of what gets like one of our YouTube videos populated is that it takes off at a faster rate, right? If more people are viewing it, more people are liking it, more people are commenting on it, well then, then YouTube will then the algorithm automatically promotes it to more people and then it's this compounding effect. So these, obviously these farms feed into that. So you could have me and then- So your algorithm's all off. And then I have a farm of 10,000, you know, fake viewers, but the algorithm doesn't know that they're fake. They're, they all have their- Do you think, Adam, because you're the guy that you, you know, you're the savant when it comes to this. Oh, wow. Do you think- You're welcome. Do you think- You were nice to me earlier or something. No, that's, it's true. So it's getting weird. Do you think the reason why- Hey, listen. Go on, go on, go on, go on. I won't get, I'm gonna step out. I won't get between, I'm a little jealous with the relationship you and Doug have. Lately you guys have been hanging out with me. We were about to have an intervention. He's trying to win me over. That's what he does. Justin, I only have- Why don't I have what he has? We're like, what's going on with those two? No, no, no. So do you think the reason why full disclosure, we do so well, one of the reasons why we do so well with our sponsors in terms of conversions is because every listener, every view we have is real. And a lot of these other companies have fake. You think so? 100%. 100% because- Because they'll have a half a million followers. And I've talked to a lot of our partners about this because they're always like baffled by, man, you know, we advertise with this person and that person and they've got millions of followers here. They've got millions of this and that. And it's wild that you guys convert so much higher. There's obviously multiple things happening there. We have a strong relationship with our audience that we've built through authenticity and years of truly slowly building this thing. And then they're all real. As small as it may seem, where we only have a few 100,000 people on Instagram and, you know, what do we do in seven to 10 million downloads a month on the podcast or whatever, but they're real. It's like they're all- And so those numbers, even though it doesn't- It doesn't even, you know, come close to a Joe Rogan type of download, I think so many other businesses and people have so many fake bots and things that are attached to them. And you see it. You see it on their social platforms when they get- You don't see that a lot on ours. You don't see a lot of bots commenting. Every once in a while, you see like we'll get- That's so weird. Yeah. It's weird because the- It definitely sticks out. It's also weird because the incentives for the social media companies are a bit opposite, right? Because if you have people with 10 million followers, but you're Instagramming, you know, like they only have 2 million followers, you want to fix it, but you don't, because if you crack down, everybody's follower count goes down. It's going to affect your stuff. I think it even matters too, because we've experimented with this too, right, where we've done paid traffic and paid advertising versus just allowing all the organic work that we've done. And those leads are just terrible, right? So the audience probably doesn't know this, but, you know, we spent a lot of money last year on trying out, you know, ad reads that you hire a company and they basically, you know, for a certain amount of money, we paid for 2 million impressions, right? So 2 million people have heard the name Mind Pump through all these other random podcasts, but because it is a forced ad like that to a random stranger, even if we got out of the 2 million impressions, 1,000 new people that come over, those 1,000 people are a different customer than the customer who watched Sal give a really good talk on another podcast and like fell in love with what you had to say and then bought your book and then came over to our podcast and now listens to all of our content. Like that one person right there is valued at like 100 of those 1,000 paid people to come over. Those are all just made up numbers, but you get my point, right? It's like, so there's that part too and a lot of people pay to get their reach out there more. Even if it's not fake farms, even if they're real people, they're still paid strangers to come into their business or come into their ecosystem and it's not the same as organic in word of mouth. Nothing is more powerful than somebody who said, you got to listen to these guys. And you trust them, you know them. Yes, of course. And they know you, they don't know what you like. I mean, it's some of the advice I always give to other fitness influencers or people that are trying to build something similar to what we did is that, don't get caught up in the caring so much about the number of followers or the number that everybody else is. Yeah, are these like famous people on Instagram? I'm like, you're far better off impacting lives and helping a handful of people and really going above them. Because those five people are gonna go tell 10 other people and when they tell those 10 other people, it's so different than them hearing an ad about you or singing a billboard about you. Speaking of which, is our 3D thing, is that live or can I talk about that? Is that live, Doug? Oh, Doug would know that. I don't know. Yeah, I think it is. It's gonna be in Las Vegas. Is that what you want to talk about? No, no, no, no. I'll talk about the 3D training I gave for trainers. I don't have a URL for that. Okay, it's all right. We got it coming. We have a 3D course, training course, that I taught for trainers and coaches. It's free. That's coming up. We'll be able to release it and anybody can watch it. Yeah, we'll put it on the story. So what did you think of Brenna Fem? Oh, so I was just gonna say, what's interesting is, so Brenna Fem, people don't know, this is a company that makes music and in that music, there's technology where there are sounds that induce certain states of mind. And it's proven with fMRIs and blood flow. So literally, you listen to focus, music, your brain within five minutes goes into this focus flow state. Flow state, you know, where you're looking at the theta, the delta waves of the brain and all the waves. I don't know them all, but it's a focus state of mind or sleep or whatever. We've been using them, I should say, forever. I use them every time we travel. It works like a charm. What I found was interesting is he came on and he's like, you guys were the first company we're working with. You gave us that initial first bump now that we're gonna start advertising, because they've grown grassroots. Now that we're gonna start advertising again, they came back to us, first people. So nice. I mean, interesting to, you know, add that to this conversation. I mean, that's a perfect example. That's exactly what I was gonna say. Of a company that grew 100% organic. I mean, he says this is the last time we spoke that over 4 million users use it and that's without any sort of advertising. That's just purely people using it, being blown away and then telling somebody else about it. And they give you free, so, and he's smart, of course they do this. You go on there, you can try some out for free if you see for yourself. It's really weird. It's strangely effective. It's one of the most consistent things. I can't stress enough to people to go, just try it, it's free. Go try it and use it. And it's every bit worth having this out. We've used it for years now. I can show you on my phone. It's one of the most consistent that we use it for, we use it for Max for sleep. We use it when we travel. We use it when we're focusing. I've talked about using it in sex. There's all kinds of great ways to use it. So, it's incredible. It's incredible. So, gotta go check it out for sure. Check it out. I do have a shout out. I'll go ahead and throw this out there real quick. So, I was going down the YouTube rabbit hole and I watched guitarists and I watched, you know, a lot of music videos and whatnot. And I had no idea this guy existed. Like, so some of the greats out there, like, I mean, Steve Vai is one of those kind of virtuoso guys that does like a lot of electric guitar that's like really crazy. And he promoted this guy and like I had never heard of him. And he's from Italy. He's from Sicily specifically. But I don't know him. Yeah, he's probably family. My cousin? I mean, you always bring it up. So, I figured you'd know him. But his name's Matteo Mancusco. And his dad was like a classical guitarist. And so, it's unique about him. And I literally think he's like one of the best guitarists of our time. Like, he's a kid. And... What do you mean, how old is he? Well, I mean, 20s. Okay. Well, he's a kid to us. To us. Yeah, we're old dogs. But he plays like finger pick. He's not the guy that does all the crazy... He like finger pick? No, no, no. So, all that is like, there's a lot of guitarists out there that are really good that do like the crazy slap. Yeah, yeah, okay. He's like, it's hard to describe. But like, you could tell he's very, very much like in tune with actual music theory. And he knows like... So, a lot of the style of the classical guitar, he converted over to electric guitar for a lot of like the lead solo stuff and blues and all that. But so, he plays with like, just his fingers do all the like, some picking moves and sweeps and all this crazy stuff. But it's like seamless. It sounds very fluid and it's very, very cool to watch. Go check it out. It's Mateo Mancuso.guitar. So, Mateo Mancuso.guitar. That's where you can find him on Instagram. Do you like grass-fed meat? Do you like heritage pork? Do you like sustainably raised chicken or wild caught fish? Check it out. There's a company called Butcher Box that delivers it to your door. And the best part is the prices are incredible. So, if you want to be healthy, if you like your protein, you got to check out Butcher Box. We've been with them for a very, very long time. And right now, if you go through our link, butcherbox.com forward slash mind pump, you will get your choice of either two pounds of ground beef, three pounds of chicken thighs, or one pound of premium steak tips, included in your box for free for a year. All you got to do is use the code Mind Pump. By the way, you also get $20 off your first box. All right, back to the show. First question is from Folville Castle. What can I do to get bigger if I'm only noticing strength gains? Okay, so first off, if you see strength gains. And you continue to see strength gains. It's like thunder and lightning. Oh, wow, that was a great one. Yes, like that. Yes, it's coming, it's coming. Eventually the muscle gains come. And I mean, I don't see this anymore at my age now, as long as I've trained. But I remember my early days especially, it would look like this. I'd go, I'd get stronger, I'd get stronger, I'd get stronger, I'd get stronger, I'd get stronger. And then boom, three pounds of muscle out of nowhere, it would feel like. And then stronger, stronger, stronger, stronger, boom. Kuchiga. So it typically, the muscle gains typically come in spurts, whereas the strength gains can be more of a, sometimes a consistent thing. Now that being said, diet would make this happen faster, more calories. Yeah, it could also mean that too, right? It could also mean that. I just always caution people to be careful of that because I mean, a lot of times when you, you just push the calories. Yeah, because like myself, I was so insecure about being smaller and I wanted to be bigger that I, you know, I didn't, I wasn't reading the signals of I was getting stronger, all I cared about was getting bigger. So I was forcing the calories, and then you put on a bunch of body fat that you didn't need to. So, you know, as long as you're hitting your protein intake and you're in a slight calorie surplus, the size will come. And honestly, you don't want it to come on too fast because if it comes on really fast and you know for sure. Yeah, muscle doesn't, you don't gain tons of muscle right away. Yeah. It doesn't work that way. It takes a little while. Five pounds of muscle, which is a lot, distributed across your entire body doesn't look like, like, you know, two inches to your biceps and three inches to your quads. Like it takes time to do that. If you gain five pounds of lean muscle mass, actual muscle mass in 30 days, you're crushing, you're absolutely murdering it. I mean, stretch that out in a six month period. You've put on 30 pounds of muscle mass. So get stronger and over time, the muscle will come on. And now you can get stronger just through neural adaptation. But this, a lot of this happens in the beginning, right? Where you first start working out and it's not necessarily that your muscles, you've increased the amount of contractile tissue, but rather your central nervous system is firing more effectively and efficiently. And so those initial strain gains come on quickly. But those also, I mean that you get the CNS to fire more efficiently. And that will lead to more contractile tissue as well. So you just got to be patient with something like this. I've yet to see somebody consistently get stronger over long periods of time without adding. It's on its way, yeah. Totally. Next question is from Hailey Valine. Can you please provide some tips for a skinny fat body? I'm already lifting four to five times a week, eat my body weight and protein daily, and get 10 to 15,000 steps a day. I don't know why I can't get more toned and muscular. So first off, I don't know, Doug, if you could pull up this person's Instagram so we can look and see what they look like. Because sometimes, I'll say oftentimes, somebody describes himself and this is a bit distorted. I know. Okay. So I want to look at that first. Now, number two, typically, if this is somebody that's doing all these things, I'd want to look at the workout. And if there's a problem, it tends to be the workout and it tends to be that it's too much. Too much intensity, too much volume. And so it looks like you're doing all the right things, but you're just doing more than your body can adapt from. And so you end up not getting stronger, not building muscles. And then lastly, I would add, how long have you been doing this to, because there's also people that have these unrealistic expectations of, I've been doing this, I do it already, and it's been like three months. Yes. Three months of their life. And it's just like, you've already made really good gains in three months. Like, what are you expecting to happen in the period of time? Have you been lifting the same weights this whole time too and kind of doing the routine or have you been challenge yourself to gain and increase? Is she trying to lean out? She said she's skinny fat. You're not skinny fat. No, no, no, no. No, you're not skinny fat. No. No. Yeah, it's a bit of a distorted view of their self. But look, I tell you what, along those lines, very few people can work out with strength, can strength train with the appropriate intensity, five days a week consistently, and it be the appropriate amount of training. Oftentimes it's too much. Yeah, definitely this person looking at her, I know, and we are totally guessing based off of her. I'm going to go off of programming though. Totally. Like, I think if you're hitting your protein intake. If she followed MAPS anabolic with that, then she would see the muscle. Yeah. If you're hitting your protein intake, and by the way, she doesn't need to be in a deficit. She's plenty lean enough. So, but I could see where you could want to add muscle to your physique and your body. And that's MAPS anabolic would be the training. With the same protein that you're eating, you can still keep up the steps, no problem. And what will happen, so if this person hired me, and I would keep everything the same, but I'd take their workout, do three days a week, full body MAPS anabolic, and they would be blown away. Yeah, yeah, MAPS anabolic. I wonder what the programming looks like. I wonder if she's doing like a, you know, circuit based type of, type of deal. Or if it's just too much volume, too much, whatever is typically what it is. Get on MAPS anabolic. Next question is from Avelina Lika. Is it possible to lose muscle due to overtraining, even if you always hit your protein targets? Yeah, yeah. Have you guys ever lost muscle because you worked out too much? Yes. I know I have. Yes. That's a terrible, terrible realization. In fact, one of the fastest ways to get your body to lose muscle, besides laying in bed and not eating, is to beat the shit out of yourself in the gym, above and beyond what you can adapt to and recover from. Your body looks at that extreme stress and what it tries to do is it tries to reduce its energy requirements so it reduces muscle because it looks at it as this tremendous stress. And when your body is very stressed, it wants to survive off less calories. One of the best ways to do that is to pair muscle down. Overtraining is a very consistent way to get your body to lose muscle. And at first what happens is you just, you lose strength and you get super stiff and sore. And then it's like, oh my God, I'm hammering myself in the gym. What's going on? I don't look as full. Muscle is an expensive tissue. And if you're not giving it adequate nutrients to sustain, and just adequate nutrients doesn't mean just protein. Like if you are... Awesome, that's true. You know, if you're undercaloried, right? So you're not giving your body enough fuel to fuel all these workouts and you're just hitting protein intake and you're hammering the muscle four or five times a week, like absolutely you could lose muscle. It's gonna pair it down because it's saying, I'm not getting enough. I'm not getting enough to support what we're doing training-wise and I'm also not recovering enough for what I'm doing. And so yeah, it'll pair down for sure. You guys remember when this... I know this has happened to you guys, but I remember the first time it happened. I didn't take time off working out ever as a kid. I definitely was overtraining. And I don't remember why. Oh, we traveled. We went somewhere and I was gonna go... It was a gym that I was gonna work out at was closed and I didn't have access to a car. I was a kid. So I couldn't go anywhere. So I took a week off and I remember I came back home. Stronger. And stronger. Yep. You guys, that's happening. Oh yeah, yeah. Tell me, now would you guys get the lesson there right away or is it because I remember being... No, I had to learn that lesson like five times. I learned that lesson five different times, five different ways. And it's a consistent reminder too, by the way. Like I still think we teeter in this of... You know, when you are a fitness fanatic or you're a person who enjoys working out, you tend to teeter in this position a lot. It's not what you can tolerate. You know, it's like you're not supposed to work out to the point where it's like, oh my God, I barely made it through that. You know, to the point where you're just gonna end up repairing the damage of what happened. And then either you're gonna stay the same or you're gonna start a downward trend. One of the hardest things to transition to that has continued to get better for me or I've had to try and refine over all these years of lifting is how little I actually need to stimulate growth or maintain my muscle. It's way less than I always think it is. I'm always wrong. I always think I need to do all this to... You know, and a lot of that is just because I love the feel of the pump and I like moving heavy weight. It's like, it's more of the... It's just the workout. Yeah, it's more of the addiction to the workout than it really is like, okay, like if my goal was I just kind of want to keep this look or have this much muscle or be able to do this, like how much do I really need to do to sustain that? You'd be so surprised how minimal you have to do. There's data on it now. There's lots of studies on this. I mean, there's that one study we talked about where they took two groups and one group took a week off every after three weeks of training, they would always take a week off. The other group worked out consistently. Guess what? They built the same amount of muscle at the end of the 16-week study. In other words, one group worked out 25% less same amount of muscle. There's also data to show how little the average person needs to work out to not lose muscle as they age. It's like once every 14 days or something ridiculous. Like you don't need nearly as much as you think. And if you're really consistent with your workouts, you're more likely to be doing more than you need than the right amount. It's such a hard thing as a trainer to communicate to because it's like, we tend to toggle between the two extremes. Yeah. Either you don't do anything, right? And it's like... You do too much. Right. And so you're like, you don't want to communicate to people like, oh, you don't need to do that much. Do less. Because it's like that person doesn't need to hear that because they never do anything. And then you have the other side of people that are like trying everything and doing everything in five to seven days a week. And it's like we always, as humans, we're so funny how we tend to go one extreme or the other. And the sweet spot is really not that hard. Especially if you have good balance with eating. You don't eat like an asshole. You hit your protein intake. You're consistent with eating whole foods. The amount of stimulus that you need in the gym to build an incredible physique is not nearly as much as we have been promoting. And I'm so glad you said to build an incredible physique because there are benefits to consistent daily activity. But when it comes to building and sculpting your body, you don't need to do all that. Now, are there additional health benefits you're just moving every day, going outside every day, doing things like mobility? Yes. But what people do is they take the, I'm going to build muscle or build more muscle or build a better physique by beating myself up all the time. That's not the case. So you could be active every day, but the intense workouts, you don't need much of those to make it happen. Next question is from the healthy hair creative. What are the best exercises to do to strengthen your wrists? You know, one of my... I was talking about that guy, what? I was talking about that guy, what? I was talking about that guy, I was going to jab Doug. He went up your style. What was that wrist then? You know, he's casting, you know, fishing. Yeah. What would you think? Yeah. I know what I was thinking. I was thinking either. I, you know, I'm going to name an exercise that I think is one of the most underutilized, yet valuable exercises that, you know, bodybuilders do these all the time. I don't see anybody doing this anymore. And that's an old-fashioned reverse curl. Reverse curl. A reverse curl, you could use an easy curl bar if your wrist, if it doesn't feel good on your wrist, a straight bar is fine too. But it is such the... When you look at all the exercises that we do in the gym for our body, the traditional ones, all of them tend to strengthen the wrist in the flexion type position, this kind of wrist curl position. So rows and back exercises, all this here. Very few strength in the wrist in this kind of extension, right? This back position. And a reverse curl does that exceptionally well. And to the point where if you practice these, your wrist extenders can be almost as strong as your flexors. I mean, you can get really, really strong and you'll see a lot of wrist problems get solved. I always want to... So if this was a client, like I'd want to dig deeper in like what, like... Why are they saying this? Yeah, where's this question coming from? Because a lot of times people that have quote-unquote weak wrist too lack mobility, you know. And so wrist cars and doing things to gain mobility, which is, we'll also, by the way, gain strength, right? Like so a lot of times when people have carpal tunnel or they have like tennis elbow or they got these issues that they're getting pain from and then they've been told, oh, you have weak wrist. Okay, yeah, strength will help. But also working on your mobility in your wrist would really help prevent a lot of those issues. So when I would get a client that would say something like this, I would normally go, well, why are you wanting to strengthen your wrist? What do you, who told you that or what's going on? And also just little things like when you're pressing whether it's bench pressing or overhead pressing and then, you know, you're the broken wrist now and you're just reinforcing that and putting even more stress on that when in fact you need to make a tight fist. And so sometimes I'll take clients in that situation too and we'll work on like fist push-ups. And we'll go to the knuckles and try and reinforce that. Obviously, gradually, maybe elevated or on the knees or whatever, pulling the dumbbell or something. But really like reinforcing that grip, like fist position. Yeah, well, the person's name, the healthy hair creative. Yeah, I bet you a hairstylist. Oh, yeah. See, and I bet you- So I've worked with a lot, not a lot, but I've worked with people who do hair for a living and they do have wrist issues, often shoulder and wrist issues. And a lot of times it's because of lack of mobility. So I'm gonna take a shot in the dark and say that's probably what it is and what you'll really benefit from is Prime Pro. In Prime Pro, we have a whole section dedicated to your wrist and before, I mean, those exercises would be ideal for you to do it before work. We're gonna take a shot in the dark and say you're a hairstylist, that's what I'm gonna guess. Is it correct? That's correct. Yeah, so you're suffering from pain and overuse. I knew it. I knew it. It's such a, you know, like very few people are like, I need to strengthen my wrist. What do I do? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? It's like, well, you need to do wrist cars and wrist mobility stuff. Yeah. And it's in our Prime Pro program. It was designed for someone like you and do it every day, if you can, for sure do it every day before you go to work. Well, do it, start slow and then work up, but I think you're 100% right, Adam, because with this profession, doing strength training for the wrist, it'll help if you do it appropriately. But mobility is where the answer is. That's right. For this person. So look, if you love the show, check out our free fat loss guide. It's free. It's at mindpumpfree.com. You can also find us on Instagram. Justin, is at Mind Pump Justin. I'm at Mind Pump DeStefano and Adam is at Mind Pump Adam. Always remember, life is magic. Love is the wand.