 Fyddwch chi ddweud o gennym i'w gweithio cychwyn mewn ymweldio yma i'r pethau i gweithio'r gwahanol, a ddod o'n cael ei wneud eich ddweud o'r ddweud o'r ddweud i'r byw ysgrif iawn ac oherwydd i ni'n gweithio'r byw, felly mae'r ddweud o'r ddweud o'r ddweud o'r pethau i lawer o'r pethau i ni. Mae'r ddaf yn cael ei bwysig. Mae'n ddweud o'r ddweud o'r ddweud o'r pethau. Ma'n d족 i'r byw, dweud o'r rhai adonad o'r rhaid iddynt, Ac fe os ydych chi'n hoffi'n ffren, Mae'n gennym, ma'n hoffi. Nid ydych chi'n dweud yn y rawd, Mae rhaid i'n hoffi i arnyntio'r ddiwedd, Mae'n ei ffordd i'r cefniff. Fel yn wedi gyd yw, mae'n meddwl ei'n meddwl. Mae'r meddwl am meddwl meddwl, fe wnaeth i femlo yn gallwch I'n meddwl i'n meddwl i'n meddwl i gyd yn ôl. Mae'n meddwl i mi. Y First Thing you've got to do is believe! The Second Thing is you've got to achieve. It used to trust relatively easy. My motto used to be I used to trust until they gave me a reason not to. I learnt that that's not the way it should run, trust should be earned, not given. The thing that kept me fired up was sheer embarrassment. It was the shame, actually that kept me going! Mae'n ddysgu'n ddiddordeb wedi gweld, ond mae'n bach o'r cyfath o'r ddiddordeb. Mae'n ddiddordeb o'r ddiddordeb, o'r ddiddordeb sy'n... Cymru, ddim dyma. I ddim yn rhan o'r ddiddordeb, yn gyfathu. Mae'n ddiddordeb o'r ddiddordeb. Dyma! mae'r maen i'r sifft, mae'relnwch, Alffie Junya. Mae'r peth a'n ei gymrygaidd fel agaith. Mae'r sifft fel y modd, mae'r panfeydd, mae'n teulu. Fe ydy'r mwynhau, nefóf ac mae'n llaid. Mae'r mater, mae'n maen i, mae'n gweld. Mae'r gweld unrhyw, mae'n gweld unrhyw o'r gwath. Felly'n gweld llaid... Wrth gyd, James. Mae'n gweld i'n gweld i'r mater. Yn gweld i'n gweld i'n gweld i'n gweld. Felly yn gallu y gwbl yn ymweld oherwydd y llun o'r syni yn ei wneud yn ei ffyrdd. Felly, mae'n gwneud ond iawn o'r gwych ar gyfer fy wneud o'r wneud. Felly, yw'r amser, allan y gallwn ei wneud o'r rôl, rydyn ni'n gallu fod yn ei gwybod. Felly, yw'n gallu'n amser y gallwn i'w gallu'n arddangos y gwaith o'r ffordd? yng nghymru wedi bod, Alun? Dyna'r cwestiynau. Fy maen nhw, James, gyda'r cyffredinol mae'r arddangos. Felly fy nghymru am ymddangos yma fy ysgrifennu a fyddwn ni'n gweithio i ddim yn gwasanaeth a'r cyd-drygu ac yn fydda'r rhaid i'r cyd-drygu yn y gwaith addysg. Ac e'n gwneud o'r hyfforddii'r pryd лdofyn yw'r cymfor hwyl gyda chi'n gywelio'r cyffredinol. Ac rwy'n meddwl arall gallu amser hynny, Alffy, ac mae'n risi daithi'r meddwl ni'n meddwl, rydyn nhw'n meddwl fawr. Cynydd wedi cael bod gwych gan amser yng ngorffodol ar gyfer dwyr yma. Lleodd i chi, mae'n credu gwerthio gwirio eu cyflwytaeth arall, ac rydyn ni'n meddwl bod hynny'n meddwl, I'm a great believer in the school of hard knocks, Alfie Bogers, boxed all of his life, he goes to work and and he's now paddling his own canoe. So how far he's going to get now, he's up to him am I always going to be there as long as I can be? But the hard thing for a parent is not being an easy parent. That's the hard thing. Ond ydych chi ddweud y gweithio oedd yn y gweithio, byddai gyd ychydig ar gyfer chi'n fath oherwydd yna'n rhan o'r gwneud. Nw, rydyn ni'n gweithio'n ddweud ei gweithio'r fath, ond mae'n dweud yn gweithio'r cwylio'r dda. Rydyn ni'n gallu'n gwneud y gweithio sy'n gweithio'r bwysig, ond yn y gweithio'r gweithio sydd wedi yna'n goll i gael a'n ei gael i'r moddd. ac gwaith ymgafwyl am yr alffie a gweithio gwybod? Sa'ch cysylltio, mae hyn yn gwneud yn cysylltu'r nhol ll溽 ac yn rai gael replicateid. Chnyddu'n i mi, chi'n lle. Chi'n gallu gwybod i fod i ddweud. Cyddi'n wneud yn rhan o'r f Pearol. Felly yn beth sy'n gweithio, dwi'n gwneudrif i'n gwneud i'r ddwerfodio. Gweithio'r ei gwneud i'r dd 등fwy, ac i ffodol i'r ddechrau. Mi'n gwneud i'r ddw i. felly rwy'n fewn i, fe'n peth i ni'n defnyddio, rwy'n fewn i achos oedraf. Felly dweud, nid yn ei gawdd i nesaf mynd o'r hyn, ei gawdd i chi'n hyn ymddangos i'r ffordd, felly rydyn ni bod hynny'n meddwl wedi cenodd. Maer yna, mae hynny yn fan hynny ond iawn gwyddon. Yn lyfeoneth rydyn ni? Fyrddawd rydyn ni wedi meddwl i fnwy. Felly guwch, rydyn ni'n arnyn yn yn ei gofyn rydyn.書on i ni, mae'r rôl yn ffordd yn eidd. Ego, o'n drive, o'n personal gainlath, but then you are saying you are reaping the rewards now. You are sitting here on a podcast talking about a discussion about your personal life. So that takes guts as well. So it shows you how far you have come but I question my motives. Am I doing the right thing? Because what I've realised now, time is the most precious thing on this planet. And I'm utilizing it correctly to be the better father I can be. Can I ask how old your children are? They are both 12. there awpinical age now James. 12 year old is the age where they start to slowly develop into teenagers and that's when they start to develop their own mind. and from my point of view I am proud of Alfie, really proud of him. ond ond ond. Has it come with a lot of arguments? Yes. Has it come with me and him having, you know, not physical fights but argument fights? Yes. Does there things that he's done that I wouldn't have done? Yes. Has he been right? Actually 50% at the time? Yes. But that's somebody becoming their self. Now, what I would say is every man has to be in charge of his own destiny, you, me and Alfie. But the one thing that we can be blessed with, and I certainly was blessed with it, was as much as I didn't agree with my own father in certain ways, there is one trait that runs through his blood that certainly runs through mine, and I know for 100% it runs through Alfie's and that's work ethic. My dad is a Trojan. I'm the same. Alfie's the same. And there's two things that I'll bring up, and then I'll let Alfie tell you the story. But we were walking down the street in Vegas when he was seven or eight years old, about that age. I just had a little bit older, I just said 12, 13. And so 12 or 13, and he looks up at one of the casinos, and I think it was Treasure Island. It was Treasure Island. It was Treasure Island. And he said, I'm going to buy that. I went, good boy. That's exactly what you should do. You make sure that you get that built. So we went back, I think it was for the Tarston Fury fight, wasn't it? And we're walking down and he went, do you remember that? And I swear to you, I was thinking the exact same thing when he said it. He said, when I said I was going to buy that, he said, Jesus. He said, I didn't realise how much hard work it takes to do that, to get there. I said, well, don't give up. It's still achievable. And I genuinely believe he will buy it. It might not be that one, but he will buy one of them. The first thing you've got to do is believe. The second thing is you've got to achieve. And just yesterday, I said to him, I said, shall we go to the Andy Garcia fight? Is it Andy Garcia? No, Ryan Garcia. Ryan Garcia, and that was something. I think David Sol won that, though. And he said to me, he said, I don't think he said I want to take the time off of work. That's exactly what I would have said. And by the way, I was offering to pay for that trip, not for the hotel. If you're looking for a co-pilot mate, I'm willing to jump on that with you. Did you see that? Do you see a lot of yourself in your dad? That's a hard fit. I get told yes, but I can't speak from getting out of my body and looking at myself. I get told yes, and like I say, work ethic more than anything. Listen, I've made choices that he wouldn't have made. A lot of stuff I've run past him. But the thing is, I've run past him to see what his opinion is. That doesn't mean necessarily to determine whether I'm going to do it or not. He's not always right. I'm sure he's made plenty of mistakes himself. Oh, I love you, Noah. I'm right, mate. How is it for you about when your dad's at the top of the tree, like everybody respects on the businesses that he's built? Is that, I'd imagine that's more, has that added more pressure onto your life to try and succeed to your dad's level as well? Of course it has, but it comes with plenty of benefits too, which I've mentioned in previous podcasts. It comes with loads of benefits, doesn't it? You know, I've got a head start further than most. You know, I'm coming off the back of a brilliant name, which means a lot in this day and age, especially in business. Is that, see when you're doing your business tonight, does your dad's name get through in, or can you do it all on your own? There's people always trying to mention your dad as well. It's all very near there if they do. It's great. I'm proud of him. It's great. It doesn't bother me. I want to hear that. I think I'd be in a worse position if I wasn't mentioning it. See when you start becoming successful, I hope you're like, how hard is it to trust people around you? Actually, I think it gets easier to trust people as you're going along, because you get to know who your circle is, and what I would say to you is, the starting point should be trust nobody and ask nobody to trust you. And what it should be, the good people will know exactly what you mean, because by asking someone not to trust you, you're not saying you're not trustworthy. What you're saying is look out for me and check, check and double check, because you know, if we keep looking out for each other and not just accepting what everybody's saying, what each other's saying, do you know what happens? You make less mistakes. And that's what good people around you should do. So your circle will become smaller. When did you ever have the discussion with each other about your work ethic as when Alfie was younger to then being in and out, not in and out his league, but working so hard where I make it sense to him? I remember one particular conversation when we were driving down the A30, I don't know if you remember it, and you, and we were just coming to the roundabout, and you said to me, your work ethic, dad, is stronger than mine. And I said to him, I said, that's where you're wrong. I went, muscle memory does feed through. I said, my blood flows through your veins. I went, work ethic is just a good habit. And you know, what also helps with work ethic is when you get to taste just a little bit of success, it can be just a small amount. It drives you. Look at yourself, James. You just said to me earlier, now you're on a roll, and that's that little bit of success creates more success. And that's what's happening with Alfie. You know, he's now doing his business best kettles, he does watches, he's got two mobile home parks, and he's now doing tickets. And, you know, there's not much more he can do, and he's doing them diligently. On a property in Knightsford, what I'm air being being, which I'm looking to expand, I'm learning on the job, got the flat for myself, looked into it, thought to myself, right, there's an opportunity there, which is a brilliant location, prime location. I'd say the best, really. You know, literally right banks make next door to our ads, and I thought, you know, I'll give it a crack, which it seems to have been working. Can I ask, on that, what's that red light doing outside that? You don't want to know. You're still younger, what are you, 27? 25. 25, man, like fucking hell that. Having properties, I know how hard you work as well. I see your stories on Instagram, I see you're constantly hustling. And rightly so, you've got a good life as well. You travel the world, man. Why not enjoy it as well? See when you're, again, see when you're working as hard, do you feel as if you've got the added pressure again to prove that it's sure it's behind it, doing it yourself? I'm sure that speaks for itself. It's only of a small-minded people that look and think, it speaks for itself. It's there, the evidence is there. But years worth of evidence back up, whatever you want to look into and try and investigate, you'll find out that it was me. Listen, I've got my dad behind me, overseeing me, which is great. There's 40 years worth of experience. I'd be a fool not to use that, and one thing I would think I'm not is a fault. I think the most wisest thing to do, listen, we do not live long enough to make all the mistakes ourselves. You've got to learn from the mistakes of others. And once again, I think it's just best that I learn from that and being overseen and going and asking for advice. That's not a bad thing. If people want to criticise me for that, I hold my hands up. How do you think it is to survive in this day and age, Alffy, compared to the 80s, 90s, that social media and that involved as well? Look, I'm a dinosaur. I'm an old-fashioned businessman that's a dinosaur. You know, people like Richard Branson, Alan Sugar, and forgive me for saying, but I see myself there with them. And we're dinosaurs. We are dinosaurs. We're in a new age, a digital age, where I feel that business has a far, far superior reach. And I think if you can cater into that and factor into that and nurture it, exactly what we were talking about, people's network with one of your previous guests, you know, the moment you get that network to expand, you can be a worldwide brand pretty much overnight. You're no longer relying on newspaper or TV. There are so many other avenues. So for me, do I think it's easier? No. It's never easy. If it was easy, we wouldn't have 1% of the population being the richest. We'd have 99% of them. It's always going to be hard. But what I would say is we're in a new age. That age is digital technology. The thing now is to make sure that we're embracing it. I'm a dinosaur. I'm still doing business in an old-fashioned way. But that's what I do best. Don't broke. Don't fix what's not broke. No. See, do you think, how do you feel you'd adapted if you were born in this generation? Do you think you'd have got there quicker? That's a good question. I may not have succeeded at all. You know, I may, but what I would have, what I can say to you is it wouldn't have stopped me trying. And I believe anybody that tries, had somebody messaged me on Instagram, I'm so tired of trying. And I don't feel that I'm a success. My reply to them, because I try to, I want everybody to succeed. When people try, and people are pushing forward, I want them to succeed. So my message back to them, you're already a success. You started, didn't you? And most people don't even have a start. They don't even try. So do I think I'd be a success in this day and age? I don't know. All I can tell you, I would have given it my best. We were born with a name best, so we make sure we're at the front of the queue. That's a great name. How do you think you would have handled being in your dad's era? I'm finding it hard enough now. Listen, like he says, I would have tried me best, regardless when or when I wasn't born, I would try me up most best. Listen, what I lack for in intelligence, I will make up in persistence. And I think, listen, it's a formula that works. Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work. And I do believe hard work beats talent. Obviously talent helps, doesn't it? But hard work and determination and persistence, I think is the key to most things. Just keep getting out there. Listen, it's a numbers game. You knock on 10 doors, one's going to open. Do you think you're born with a gift, Alfie, to succeed? Or do you think you can train yourself to be a winner? I think both. I think we're all born with some sort of gift. I think Alfie's underselling himself. He's a very, very sharp thinker and comes up with solutions on certain things quicker than I do. And that's not me just saying it there because he's my son. It's, you know, there's plenty of criticisms I can throw his way as well. But that one thing, he can come up with solutions on certain things quicker than I can. I think we're all born with gifts, everybody. It's if we're in an environment where the fan, somebody around you can fan that. And if you can nurture it yourself, there's a thing that, you know, I always say, which is do what you love and, you know, you'll never work another day, which is absolutely true. But to get to the point to have to do where you love, sometimes we have to do and forgive my language a lot of shitty jobs to do what we love. You have to do what you don't love to get to what you do to do what you love. Does that make sense? So for me, yeah, there's a gift. Mine, my gift was persistence. That was my gift. Yeah, do you feel you undercut yourself a lot to and say certain things because you're 25 and what you're doing now and what you're achieving especially with a box on that, the circles that you keep, the respect that you do get, that feels if you can undercut yourself as well. To be honest with you, I think answering your question, I'm very humble because of where I come from. Look at what I'm measuring myself against. You know, it's, it's, it's a big scale, isn't it? So that's what makes me think, you know, if you take him out of the equation, I'm extremely successful. But when you put him back in your question, I'm further forward than he was at my age. But still, it makes you humble looking at what he's done and what he's got and how successful he is. Yeah, can you see that as well? If I feel it because, again, your calibre of man for a son to try and not live up to his dad's expectations and maybe surpass it in the future, but do you see that as well, that it can be a struggle? Yeah, what I, what I would say, James, we're humble people. I, and I wouldn't want us to be any different. You know, we're, we're just as home as having a pint down the next Z is what we are going into the Savoy. And I try to, to make myself, and maybe that rubs off on Alfie as well, that we give everybody the time of day because why wouldn't we? Why wouldn't we? And, and, and, and you can learn from everybody. Everybody has something to give. It's just that some people are giving you the wrong thing. Some people are giving you the right thing. But we're humble people. When you use the word of where I am and what it is, I'm nowhere on the scale of other people. Now, you know, the, my success is measured purely on financial gain. And I don't mind telling you, I didn't do that. I headed it up. I pushed it forward with the work. But the team of people that are with me believed in me and helped me on my way. And I've got to say this and I mean this also my son has had a profound effect along the way because we haven't had an easy journey together. And the reason it wasn't an easy journey is because I was a difficult father. I was a hard father. You know, it's my job to push Alfie. Am I doing it right? I don't know. Let's ask in 20 years, 30 years time is, is the thing. I don't think there's no right or wrong reason. But what I do know is this and I've seen it. If you continue just to give to your children, they will know no different. And other people will look to take it. Whereas if they know how hard it is to get it, they won't be so easy just to give it. If you could have improved anything as a father on Alfie was younger, what would it be? I'd have beaten more. When he was a bit smaller, but you can't do it now, Jones. Can't do it. I'm going to get a plum. Is there anything that you would have wanted more from your dad even though they probably gave you everything externally? Just like I said before, there's events that he's missed in bits and pieces, but it shows now it was worth it. Now then time has been gone. You have to make sacrifices for success. That's the main reason to be successful is to make sacrifices. Sacrifices are the things you want to do, sacrifice, spending time with people you love. And if people don't understand that or they don't want to do that, then they're less interested in being successful. Can you accept that then? I've had to. I've never known any different. I've been brought up to know that. I haven't known any different. Like I say, it's a trade. You trade your time for success. To get where you want to go in life, you have to make sacrifices. And unfortunately, them sacrifices also do have a knock-on effect to the people around you. Yeah, definitely, because you'll see something that he's survived working, he's tried to push himself to the limits. You see kids going in the other direction, totally despise their family, totally despise the lack of love or whatever it is, turn to drink, turn to drugs and you see them with not a pot to piss in. Did you see that as well with friends, business partners and kids going the other direction? I've seen very, very close friends whose children went to private school and one committed suicide, the other is not well. And the main reason for that is they didn't live that life of the private education school. When the kids came home, they were going, what are you talking about that idiot for? We're not interested in the ozone law, we want to put food on the table, but because they thought the private education was going to make the difference, but what you've got to understand, if you're going that route, you've got to live that life. Now, I'm very blessed to, on my journey, have had some phenomenally good friends. You know, there's Big Paul, there's Salman O'Donnell, Salman O'Donnell, good friends, good people, not only loyal to me, but loyal to Alfie in every way and it isn't just, you know, we do business all together, but they're people where the loyalty comes first. So for things like that, that makes me a very blessed person because they're not only good business people, but they're also people that value the tight circle that we all have and there's a number of other people that I could mention as well, but Alfie's now building his circle and all of a sudden, by building a great tight, tight circle where profit isn't a dirty word among you, then you're going to go a long way and you're going to go a long way together. See, if Alfie's making business decisions, you're older in the head wiser, but if you would do step in if you knew it was the wrong decision, I would just try and make them because growth is where you lose as well, that's where you kind of make most of it. Would you let them do that decision and just learn from it, or would you try and guide them into the right way? Right. I'll go back to what I said earlier, James. 50% of the decisions that I thought that he was doing were wrong, were right. 50% of the decisions that he's done that were wrong. Some of them I thought were right. Success is not given just by age, that experience. If you take for instance a snooker player, you would assume a snooker player to get better by age. They're more experienced, they've been playing longer. So why does it that a snooker player deteriorates? Do you know what it is? They lose their nerve to take the shot as they get older, and that is not experience. That's will to succeed. Ronnie O. Sullivan, Jimmy White, they just went for the shots and they're still doing it, but you look at a lot of other snooker players, they deteriorated and they deteriorated because they lost the nerve. Now the young generation that's coming through, the older generation such as me, must realise that we must embrace that bravery in business where there's no fair maidens won by the faint hearted, and that is also a blessing. What do you think makes a good business man healthy? First of all, bullies make sacrifices. Second of all, putting the business first among all other things above life in general, you've got to live the life in business. Loving what you do is easy to say you love what you do, but unfortunately we can't all love what we do. It doesn't work out like that. It's actually making yourself and telling yourself you're enjoying what you're doing and seeing the goal at the end. Oh, that's what works for me. Having a goal at the end of at the end of the road, let's say, for me is what pushes me and drives me forward. We all need a little bit of a goal, and going back to what you just said to me, Dad, about experience. He's speaking off experience, Jesse, but he's speaking off of experience 30 years ago. Times have changed. So that's how sometimes it could be wrong because 30 years ago it might have been the right thing to do. Today, I think it could be the wrong thing to do. See me where I kid, what did you want to be? I used to love boxing, but equally as much as much, I used to love earning money. I've tried all sorts of different things from being 10 years old right up until today. Can you respect that hustle as well, Alfie, with they want to make money and just drive? Yes. I know people who are just lazy, man. They say they're okay with it, but they're just something missing in their life. Look, I have people come up to me and ask for advice, and me and Alfie don't, we do our own thing, and the conversations are when we do have conversations, they're great conversations. They'll last 30 minutes to an hour, but they'll be intense. They always revert to business because that's what we know. That's actually what we understand and what we enjoy talking about. But somebody, I was with Alfie in Hattengarden and somebody came up to Alfie, and I won't mention any names, and I stood there and he said, Alfie, I just want to say it's a privilege to meet you and can we do a photo? No, I felt quite proud of that, and I got that. He said to Alfie, he said, what do you think I should do with this in my business? Alfie told him, and from my point of view, he was absolutely spot on on the advice he gave him, absolutely spot on, and it was don't look to go out there like this guy wanted to bring in investors, he wanted to go out all blazing. Alfie said, listen, dip your toe in the water. He said, and it was about investing in watches. He said, go out and take your samples of watches, find your client. He gave him the absolute cock on advice. He said, but most of all, he said, be prepared to live the life. He said, don't start at nine, start at six. He said, so you're ahead of the game. So the guy says, and this was a man 35 years old. He went, yeah, it's not really the way I do things. He said, I like to start at 10 in the morning. I felt like I said, well, stay broke, stay broke. You can't say that to somebody because they then take it as an insult, but it's a, you know, don't ask for advice if you don't want to take that advice because you're lazy. What's the main ingredient you think to be successful? Persistence. Persistence and consistency. You know, get up, show up, dress up, but most importantly, show up and be there. For instance, when we've done anything with you, James, when have you ever seen me late or even seen him on the button, you know, because it's important that people know what, and I don't want this to come across the wrong way, but Alfie Bess doesn't exist. He doesn't exist. I hear people talk about it's a brand, and I like the idea of it being a brand in that people know what they get. If they do business with Alfie Bess, whether it's me or Alfie, they know we do what we say, then we deliver, and that's a benefit in itself. See, when you were doing the boxing, Alfie, again, was it more added pressure because of the family name or was it a kind of freedom for you? I never really took much notice of that. I used to love boxing anyway, but listen, when you're in a boxing ring, you've got a pair of boxing gloves on, you're equal. It doesn't matter what's going on on the outside world, what they're thinking, that's completely up to them, I'm sure. Every time anybody has a fight, including myself, you think of why you want to get in there. You just want to win for a start, that's what I do. I want to win, regardless of what I'm doing, any area of my life, I just want to win. So I didn't say it was any more added pressure like I say, listen, he's only a human being at the end of the day, regardless of who I am. How was it watching your son box? Well, if I can back up, you asked me earlier on if there's anything that I've done that I would have changed, and there is actually, yeah. When we were doing the boxing and I trained Alfie and I was a coach down at the Cheson, I took it very, very serious. I took it as if it was a job, and very intensely. That was a mistake. It should have been much more fun, and I could have made it a lot more fun, and I didn't. Alfie was trained like a pro, and I think that also knocked the stuffing out of him a little bit, because it was a job. It wasn't fun. I think he enjoyed certain aspects of it, but he was running five days a week, twice a day. I had nutrition coming in and crazy stuff when you're thinking it's kids, but whatever I do, I do it to the best ability, but going back to your other question, any father that sees their son get in the ring has two things. Proudness and fear, because nobody wants to see their kids get hit, and that's exactly what you're responsible for doing. You'll put them in there to get it. Did you feel that the fun took away from it, with your dad's kind of succeeding for the best for you, even though it could have pushed you away from it? It was very hard. I don't know if I felt it at the time, but it's easy when you're past that stage of your life to look back and say, I would have done this, this, this and this, because then once again, you're speaking from experience, aren't you? You've done it. It's easy to look back and say, I will change this, I will change that. When you're there, when you're there doing it, you concentrate on the job in hand. Do you think sometimes maybe you were looking at it as not a business, but instead of a loving father, it's kind of a business at the end of the day, knowing how it succeeds, so you try to push 100%. It's about the women, so you then take a lot out of it. To be fair, we're having this interview now or podcast and I'm saying to Alfie, I made a mistake there. That was one of my mistakes, one of many, but hopefully when he has children, he'll learn from that and think, hold on, I'm going to make that fuck up that my dad made there and over train my kids. I'm going to make this a little bit more fun, a little bit more enjoyable if he even decides to take his children that route. Boxing, I personally think in the world we live in now is an absolute necessity for any child, girl or boy, to look after themselves because the world isn't getting easier, it's getting harder. What do you think makes a good parent? Well, I've been blessed with very good parents, my mum and dad, but please believe me there are times I could kill my mum, I could just choke her, but the truth is she'd take her heart out of your body and give it to you if you needed it. I don't know what makes a good parents because I try to look at what other people have done, I try to look at what I've done and what I would say to you is bringing kids up and they've all got their own character. So I only did what I thought was right at each time. Do I think I was too hard as a father? Yeah, I do. Would I do it any different? Yes, I wouldn't have been as hard in the boxing, I would have not changed a thing about the business discussions because even if Alfie, only to succeed where he is now, he's already a success. He's got two mobile home parks, which he has bought and paid for himself, what anybody else says. Yes, he's got mortgages on him, but he's failed at a number of things and he's succeeded at others. That's a success. So I feel that for my own self-satisfaction, I've done my job, but also a lot of credit goes to his mum. His mum has been a big support in arm for Alfie and when I've not been the person that I should be to be able to talk to, there's been a lot of those times because when you're in business and you're under a lot of stress and your head's about to explode because you've got a deal that you can't complete and it's running to the wire, you have misdirected anger and you're like, leave me alone, I'm in the middle of this, whatever. His mum's been there for him. So there's a lot of credit, got to go to her for that as well. But what I would say, and I think this is the case, it's made you a much stronger person on how to deal with pressure on a daily basis. Absolutely. Is that right? Hearing your dad says it would make changes to be a better father. If you had a son, would you do things differently? Because of all the sacrifices your dad's had to make to again provide the life and the opportunities that you have. It's like, it's two sides of the coin, but what coin do you choose? If you've got the son there, your career's popping off in your 30s, do you then make the sacrifices to go to your dad's level or do you decide okay? I've listened to my father, what do you do? I think the time has come now with, hopefully I have children, I want children, I would involve them in the business from a younger age. It's come to that stage where I'm going to be big enough, it's going to be a franchise, if you like. I would want to involve them into the business more, I think it's come to that stage where we don't need to go off to different angles, I think of keep everything in the house and I think, because again, then I haven't got to separate my time. I was going to just add a little candid joke and just like, we choose the winning side. Can you be so successful at your height and have the, not the loving family, love's always going to be there, but the timing effort for your family as well, is that even possible? No, I don't think so. If you want to get to the next level, if you want to stop and live your life, then no problem, but if you want to get to the next level and excel, definitely not. No, I agree with Alfie. You know, you either love the business to let the business love you, no matter what that business is, otherwise it'll take its love somewhere else and that's what happens with anything. You know, very, it's of, life is not easy and time is one of the most precious things that we can do, but on the journey that I've had, has been, I swear this, I wouldn't wish it on anybody. It hasn't been easy. It really has been punishing and I see other people that have been successful, very successful and their success came through sheer, beautiful talent, not saying they didn't have to work in it, but what I found from, you know, you study people and you look at and see people, is their success left them very easily as well because it came easy. Does that make sense? Just like a lottery winner. If it comes easy, tends to leave easy. Success is no different than a woman, you know? She's easy to get, she's easy to leave. See when you kind of lost everything and you were in the van sleeping, I think you were 21, 22, how did you find the fire to then get that back instead of quieting like the majority of people? I didn't, I run the lottery. Let me tell you the thing that kept me fired up was sheer embarrassment. It was the shame, actually, that kept me going. That's, you know, a sad thing to admit, but it's true. It was the shame of what happened that kept me going and even more shameful that I was driving a brand new Porsche and had to go and get a 70 quid a week job and living in a £500,000 house and having to sleep in the back of an escort van. That, you know, but you're still the same person. You're just not the same person to everybody else. Does that make sense? You know, people want your advice when you're successful because they think you've got this magic formula that works and there is a magic formula. It really is. It's called persistence. Digging in, you know, business is a battle and I don't know too many soldiers that didn't dig into the battle and didn't fight heart that won. There wasn't too many walkovers, was there? You know, there, the walkovers happen when you've trained hard, worked hard and trained so much better than the others. That's all I see. Did you think that easy to speak to your dad as I could? Definitely not. It's easier now. Very, very, very difficult. To be honest with you, he's actually, I wouldn't say become a lot softer, but to speak to him back then it was even his way or the highway. Now he's open for discussion before there was none of that. Where do you think that is? I think in my mind you have to know when you're the father and when your advice and how I look at it, when children are children, then they should be listening to their family's advice and you can't have an eight-year-old or 10-year-old or 12-year-old kid giving you advice on business. You know, they're at that stage, they're a sponge and they should be soaking up the knowledge around them. So it was hard. Now I'm no longer dealing with a child. I'm now dealing with my equal. I'm dealing with somebody that is genuinely my equal. Why? Not in the experience, but in 50% of the experience, but the other 50% he makes up for what I don't have. That is that willpower and drive that wanes on everybody as they get older. That's why the old Indians sat round the fire and still let the braves go out to the battle. When you see another Alfa junior, how do you think you'll be as a grandparent? I will try not to be a parent. That's Alfa's job. But what I will try to do is still instill the work ethic there. But my job is not to be. That's Alfa's job into any grandparent that wants to take away that privilege from the children. The benefit of being a grandparent is you can get to give them back. I just think that shows you're both characters to even sitting here today and having quite personal discussion about life and kind of not being there, but you've given that powerful stuff man. That's to understand and doing it in front of the masses as well. Even though people might have thought, oh, you've had it easier. Dad's yet had it easier and you've still got the fire to try and succeed and try and achieve things. For me and that, that's the ingredient for anything in life. But that is why, because I haven't had it easy. The thing is, where I'm at, I get so close to seeing the good life and I want it. I'm not saying it's been bad far from it, but it could have been a lot better every single day could have been. You could have hung gloves up on them. There you go. I mean, go run three-wheel gun, do whatever you want in it. But within the last 10 years that could have happened, but it never has. It's made me want it all the more. That's another thing as well. If somebody's got money, I know people who's not got money and they fuck their kids off. You've not, even though you've done your thing and you worked to provide and be the winner that you are, why did you never just let them be and do their own thing? I've seen a lot of friends do it and I've also seen a lot of their children take advantage of. I've got to be honest with you. Up to now, Alfie really hasn't brought any problems to my door and the one or two problems have been learning curves from what I see as dogs of friends that thought they were going to benefit out of something that Alfie had done. But they were great learning curves for Alfie because you get to see who the real dogs are and it sets you up for the rest of your life because the dogs are dog and it's always going to be a dog. Do you see people trying to use you as well when you're younger with the status that your family name has or are you surrounded by good people as well or are you protected from them? No, to be honest I've always very much so been very strong headed and very much been my own man and I was quiet, I'm not forgiving let's say, I was trusting which I had my fingers burnt, do you understand where I'm coming from? Like I used to trust relatively easy. My motto used to be I used to trust until they give me a reason not to but I learnt that that is not the way it should run, trust should be earned not given. But when you're a benefit to somebody, I come with benefits and to be honest the circle of friends that I choose now should come with an equal amount of benefits because if they come to me and ask me to do something I will try my best to do it as a friend but I will be coming back for a favour and I think that's how it should work and that's how you become successful. Listen, you are, if you're sat around five idiots, if you're sat around five idiots you become sick and that is a fact, you know what you talk about, where you want to go, what you want to do, so people of course have tried to leach on to me and like listen I can't just make friends out of the blue like I say, for me to start a relationship with somebody I have to stop and think what do you bring to the table now that's not a horrible thing I'm just very very very, I'm very ambitious and I'm so concentrated on where I want to go, I can't have people take my mind off of what I want to do now if you want to talk about that and help me along the way great then we have something in common the relationship can move further forward now that's not a horrible thing to say it is what it is like I say I would be there for them I can't just have people around me where I'm the benefit I don't think it works like that or it can't work like that for me because then that ends up coming at a cost you spoke about the good leaf what is the good leaf for you to be honest what is the good life stop working spending all the time you've got with the family I haven't got a girlfriend at the moment you know traveling the world that's the good life and being able to go at your disposal whenever you want as it stands at the minute I can't do that and it's not because I can't it's because once again that will hindrance me from getting to where I want to go what about the ladies though like how like I still struggle with trust and I'm and I'm only beginning my journey but my circle nobody gets in like see for women and knowing that what you guys have got like how do you know what's love and what's not if you know what I mean like it's very very very because women can be just as bad as men worse yeah worse do you know what I mean do you feel that that if somebody comes out of your life well the problem is with a woman you let your guard down yeah with a friend that you have your guard up for a certain amount of time don't you with a woman your card comes straight down a lot quicker than it would let's say but it's a very it's very difficult very difficult to be honest with you it cannot be done it can't be it can't be noticed and until they make a mistake because in reality we was actually having this conversation yesterday or the day before anybody can hold it together for 10 minutes or in reality let's save in in a girl's point of view they can hold it together for an hour anyone can keep a good act up you meet some girls cases that go for fucking years do you think a good woman in your life makes you succeed or do you think you can lose yourself both you have one bring you to your knees and you can make one push different different men require different women i've seen lazy men marry demanding women and the woman has made them i've seen other men and look men are we're like children um we need uh a little bit of respect and i use the word respect in the way we want to be told how great we are doesn't matter what we're doing or what we're not we want to know that you know we're a man's man and you know we're out there what is it you know cutting the crust and doing our job we want a bit of you know a pat on the back for that you know and some women don't get that now i'm i'm not into the men and women are equal i'm not i believe there is a natural selection when men are stronger than women do i believe that women can do some jobs better than men absolutely do i believe that some men can do jobs better than women absolutely but it's about picking the right job for the right person but all of this you know equal we've now got 19 different genders i'm left or it could even be more that doesn't float well with me i'm sorry you know a man needs to be a man a woman needs to be a woman i still want to be the man that holds the door for a woman us i i don't want to change and i don't i'm not saying that women are not to be treated equal actually i think they should be treated better because a man's job is to be a gentleman for his own self respect as well as women's i just think this day and age though that ladies ain't ladies the way they used to be and if you look at Prince Harry if you look at wall smith it seems as if their women were the trousers and they've kind of forgotten who they are like they seem broken they seem weak as a man it's tough nobody really cares for a man no let's be honest nobody really gives a fuck for us like we struggle the most like majority of men are homeless majority men are in prison majority men go to war majority men work shitty jobs like we struggle the most but for a man we've just got to get on with it deal with it provide but i feel for a woman is like you says to the love not not sure but pick you up and have the loving home and feel good and then you're straight back out to work the next day like i just feel everybody's confused and all that's masculine energy feminine energy just too much talk of it like men at the suicide rates through the roof as well that something's not right and men do you see that as well you've seen men get weaker like back in the days just go out and hustle nowadays it's fucking struggle struggle struggle i let me let me say this to you i i i i believe that there is a natural selection why would you want to undo that natural selection no i'm not a religious person but you know from a natural god working way from since we were the evolution began that natural selection is there why would you want to undo it why would you want to undo that's it no i'm not a critic i don't criticise anybody for what they do what they want but don't force it on other people do that yourself whatever it is but don't force it on other people just because you think it's right doesn't make it right that's my view yeah i'm the same let be who you want to be as long as you're not harming yourself for kids or harming anybody around you let be who you want to be don't force your agenda and opinion on everybody else because everybody sees the world differently always say this stuff but we do we we're all raised definitely we've all got different levels of trauma it's just the way of the world like be who you want to be everybody can improve if you're working a shitty job or having a shitty life you can make those changes to better that life that do you feel it important though that to have that like you say you are strong like you are the same as myself sometimes i question the way i am my kids because i'm quite strict and it's just because i know how tough this world is and i don't know man like i do as i'm getting older i'm starting to question everything a bit more do you know what i would say james if you do something for the right reasons it can't be wrong because you did it with good intent it's only when you do something with a calculated reason to do something to hurt somebody it can be wrong do you understand what i'm saying yeah you know anybody can be um can make a mistake in how i did the same as as i've said when how i've been a parent and a father for alfae i'm actually going back to that i don't think that i've actually been a parent i've been a mentor i've been a mentor and do you know sank i think i'm 90% right and i think as alfae is getting older he's becoming so much more of his own person so much more of his own man and the beauty is this is a terrible thing i'm going to say but a child is like a business it'll only grow by the knowledge that it gains and the experience that it has within that business by its team alfae is now building his own team with the experience that i've given him and that the experience that he's made himself like for it um when um uh he decided to become a muslin what's that and he rang me on and he said oh okay that's what you want to do that's you know are you doing it for the right reason because the only thing that i was concerned about was not the religion um because if anybody should be a muslim trust me it should be me that you know no but i'm not a religious person but my only concern was how did he take that journey to get there and he's doing business with a number of different people and that also helps but it also gave him some good guidelines i think we've never really had an in-depth conversation about it but we've spoke about it and if that's his journey i'm proud of him for taking it in actual fact it shows you how much strength he has as an individual being a traveller and going out there and going hold on i think this can benefit me as a person wow that takes a lot of courage and a lot of strength especially being who he is yeah that was the reason to join us lamb because i believe is the path of righteousness and it's helped me up until this day and it's going to help me further forward and what it says in the quran is very much like traveller morals which to be honest with you a lot of them have been lost in time amongst travellers to be honest but can i can i sorry Alfred do you want to it does help with christmas but like i've like i've said previously for something to help you in this even down to getting up in the morning i'm up at 6 30 most morning sometimes i miss it but you know my intentions are very good the crown is about your intentions that make you a better person like not drinking alcohol for example that's brilliant now you know yourself going down the drinking route is not the way forward that puts you back weeks at a time weeks at a time you do that over the course of a year you've done two or three months in hangovers complete waste of time um and it got introduced to me i walked into a mosque i felt something i've never felt anywhere else and i thought this is for me so i recited it i read the um i read the crown and i thought i'm very compatible with that so then further forward i started speaking to people about it and and it's paid off listen my dad's there you can ask him the question do you seem like i've been a better person since you were never a good person no yes look to be fair um i've got to be honest with you um i wouldn't say that it's made you a better person but what it's actually done is enhanced you like some of the people that he's doing business with now are good people great people um that there that rubs off on alfre your circle is who you are you know your network is your net worth so for me because that was one of the things i wanted to look at the people that were actually guiding him down the road of that path that makes sense so you know let's look at the people behind it let's see the reason why um but um was i dubious at first of course of course but i'm not a religious person so i would be the easiest person but some people only see one thing they don't see um look you know it i think from what i know of it and uh is uh the Quran is the closest religion to Christianity am i right inside that all i know is this the only religion that hasn't been changed when it was written to today that hasn't been tampled now i'm still only learning yeah but if you're feeling better and it feels as if it's right for you to do it for me i'm not religious man either that there's good in both sides in every religion same as the Quran i don't drink i'm not gambling i'm not taking drugs i don't even eat bacon like the christian same as the christian side like there's good and bad to take from it to be who you want to be as long as you're not harming anyone and forcing an agenda onto people then so be it like you can anybody can hurt anybody and i think when somebody hurts somebody they blame a religion or they blame a race there's down to then to video hundred percent with newspapers and and and the media they want something to attach it to so it reaches more people and the thing is you're going to get more views and likes etc when you are connecting with the people that hate a religion or a race or a culture you're connecting to them people which gives it more views more shares and it's become a lot worse since social media has come about but in reality i believe this made me a better person things have been working extremely well for me and like i've said on previous podcasts just to think that you have another 10 percent or 20 percent which that 10 or 20 percent is thinking that god is behind you which he is it pushes you that a bit further now that's 10 or 20 percent i wouldn't have had previously that i had there's there's there's there's not a lot really i love getting up for work please believe me i still struggled that was a real real real downside of mine getting up in the morning was a struggle now i find it no problem but that's a good thing if like i say if anything's benefiting you in a positive then do it as long as people ain't because people can brainwash people can force agenda and force i believe when you buy into it you think okay that's right so it's just a question everything what i would listen what i would say is and i'll go back to exactly what you said james creed colour race has no bearing on good or bad people it is just the person the religion has no bearing good person is a good person bad person is a bad person and it doesn't matter what what they are where they are who they are what religion they are good person is a good person the bad person is a bad person and they're everywhere yeah how was your relationship with your mum growing up very good very good i'd have been i was a lot closer to me mum than i was me dad in in in a like between like a a child and a parent relationship do you understand this and my dad was always there i would say but me and my mum was a lot closer and i had done anything wrong i would go and tell me mum did you see that as well because some mothers can this own their kids as well and it puts how the pressure on the father he's listen listen she steps in didn't she alffy's mum has been absolute trojan when it comes to her children you know um elizabeth alffy boy i don't think they could ever asked for a better mum um do i think that came with some flaws yeah uh i do because the trouble is uh some of the things and and we can all criticise and i'm not criticising in any way except for that i felt sometimes she was too soft on them you know i was i was the rock um and the hammer um and she was the cushion if that makes sense um so i suppose it worked well in that instance but i just felt sometimes that she was over protective um of of alffy boy and elizabeth in my in in my way because what they both knew is whatever problem ever came to the door no matter who it was or what it was there would be nobody or anything or any entity that i wouldn't step in front and take the bullet for or take my shirt off for no matter what no matter what and and put my life there that and and i think you both knew that but where um but alffy's mum as a mum i believe they couldn't have asked for any better she was the cushion where i was the hammer that's what a mother's role is don't know what to protect the energy of loving and calm and try if you see the father being stricter being the mother's there to ease it ease the the pain now or you just want both to be i know i'm thinking no no no but i just think sometimes you have to show a united front on certain things otherwise children and this is not alffy or elizabeth this is any energy will work their mother or father so if they don't get the answer what they want there they then probe and they'll then go and get the the answer that they want it might not necessarily be the right answer um so sometimes i think it always needs to be a united front um in my view did you feel both sides different energies from 100 100 100 percent to be honest two completely different people so i'd say very very very very small similarities where do you to go for the future now alffy's saying it wouldn't see it getting softer but maybe becoming more loving and understanding but where do you use to then go for the future isn't more talking with each other understanding the patterns and i think well you tell me let me he's still on his journey he's still on his journey which is still very well like he said when he's so he still gets hot headed now he's good he's he's stress free at the moment you know because you're concentrating rather than good conversation with you but in reality he's still on his journey and i'm on my journey also so it's uh uh uh listen in the future i'm sure that that that thing will become a lot closer but still he's he's he still works now as he did when he was 30 35 not a lot and not a lot has changed i'm only 37 now you think you but i remember speaking to you in the first podcast and i i says to you why don't you retire up and you says why why should i but i think that's what keeps i know people who's retired in their 70s and have died fucking a month later my granddad smoked hash and all his mad stuff and drank and lived to fucking 88 or 87 that you never you never quit but i know people who make the changes then do you feel as if if you took the foot off the gas you changed completely yeah 100% look for me uh it's how far i can go how far can i take the baton um for that you know for the next generation alfin Elizabeth to take it on um and uh i'm going to be honest with you i want to make no bones about it i want you know the family the family name to go on like the rough child i really do i've been blessed there's some low level dirty stinking pikey that has managed to shake off some of the stigma that's attached to that and become europe's largest residential park home operator our goals are to become the world's biggest park operator and to leave a legacy and still now we're dealing with homes and real people 16 000 of them when i say it and think of it i actually don't know how i got here i'm serious it's the journey is taken on a life of its own i'd love to sit here and take the credit for it all but it just you know to become one of the biggest families on the planet then how do you put the foundations together now to prepare yourself plan for the next 100 200 300 500 i'm already i'm already in discussions and talks now of setting up um trusts and uh where i end up being domisod how hard does it to pass on the baton though if you hit your 70s 80s and and someday else putting the fingers on it obviously you've got your family around you but i'm already i'm already passing the baton because he's already on his journey in the with two mobile alone parks so i don't want to pass him on a job you know there are many people that are in business to say they're in business but what they don't realise is they don't own a business they own a job without them it doesn't work that's not owning a business that's owning a job what i'm looking to do is to pass on the baton where somebody else is running the race for them and it's their job to make sure they're putting gasoline and feeding the fuel and the fire to keep it burning bright that's all they've got to do it's a difficult thing as well especially if it's a family business to then being stepping up to the plate and taking like 16 000 people that's if that business goes so many people are going homeless like you're losing 100 houses that would you feel that pressure if you hit maybe your 30s 40s and you're coming on to that life or do you think you'll be so in it then you understand it better to be honest as it stands at the moment i don't even that to me this not there i work like i've got nothing because i want to be adding too i'm not looking to receive it to me it's irrelevant that is still irrelevant i'm so tunnel visioned and concentrating on my own journey to get to where i need to get to which is still only ever going to come to benefits at the end because i'm learning everything i need to know when i do step up to the mark which i hope is not in the future i hope he lives till he's 120 longer than that i thank you all right you know it but still like i'm concentrating on on on my own thing which again that like you know knowledge of learning on the job i've said this before the learning on the job i think it's the best form of education and to think that something's there i think would take the spark out of me to think oh it's all right i've got a billion pound to rely on it's all right i haven't got to do nothing for the next 10 years i just set about doing nothing when he moves on and he can't work no more i'll have a billion pounds plate do you understand what i'm from it will take the spy and the fire out of my belly to want to do successful myself so i do it like i say it's irrelevant really proud want him to go all the distance i hope he makes 20 billion but in reality for me to think that that's what i'm going to inherit is not good for my work ethic do you understand yeah but fair play for thinking that way because like you say you've seen kids go the other way yeah a lot of kids who've got it and i play fail at every corner because they've not got that something you had that something as well to keep pushing keep striving to keep being better let's see when you are people might look from outside and think he's got everything instagrams pop and saw the great photos do you ever feel lonely to be honest the position i mean i would never be lonely friends for me come easy and sometimes they come very cheap but they're there for the wrong reasons they're not friends you know you get a lot of people that are sponges that come and sit theirself around you and that they they come they come and like i say if there's not an equal amount of benefit i don't want to be friends to be honest with you you can make yourself like a person to be honest you can't it's very very very to say you can't let you know you you will learn to tolerate what they do and if they come with benefits you're a lot more likely to tolerate the bad sides so realistic for me no and i've got some very good friends my friends a lot of my friends i've grew up with you know i've been family cousins and the people that are been surrounded by it from a young age have always been very business minded travellers are very entrepreneurial anyway and uh once again the islam a very entrepreneurial religion out of all the religions i would say that would be the most entrepreneurial but as as for do do i ever feel lonely not so and also have a very good family what about yourself how did you ever feel the lonely journey especially trying to get to the level you got to i didn't have time to feel lonely i think um the devil makes work for the idle hands and uh if you it you know when you're not busy the mind plays tricks with people i see it all the time most important thing is to make sure that you're busy um i had a phone shop and uh i was in first week i was in there what i'd do is you were sitting there waiting for the phone ringing and uh i'd always make sure that i was ringing the yellow pages constantly um to see if i could drum up any trade and i virtually never did but i was trying does that make sense like and the most most most important thing in business is don't give yourself time to manifest you know gun brainstorm with your team but don't give yourself time to be lazy it's habit it's habit what makes habit businessman laziness laziness and i see so many people give bad advice for their own benefit now Alfred just said just a moment ago that all of his friends basically have benefits i completely endorse that a good friend can always do something for you a bad friend can never do anything for you well why is he your friend because i know every one of my friends would do something for me and here's the thing i'd do it for them or if i didn't i'd try and if they didn't they'd try but a friend that can't do nothing for you isn't your friend do you feel as if the relationship's got stronger with the both use as times going on as well yeah i'd say so mm-hmm is that a good feeling that's a good thing yeah it's very good listen growing up all through your life you have you have uh disagreements with any of your family um that my mum included uh but as as as it feels like easy easy explained about when i was a young and how hard he was then how it's best for kids to know who the father is so obviously as i've got older it of of course it's become a lot easier easier to talk to like before it i'd be not scared but reluctant to go and ask advice in case because there's uh there was once upon a time i actually come to me dad and said to him this was 10 years ago right maybe even longer than that i said here dad i know about a good business container yards to rent them out he looked at me and went that's a terrible idea this that i wouldn't do that stick to what you know six months ago he sat down and tried to put it across to me he must have forgot he's crossed to me but genuinely made me feel like i don't want to go back and give him any more business advice but i remembered going and telling him because i used to go cold calling and i pulled on to the odd ones i thought well it's you know very low maintenance if any maintenance at all put a container there rent it out it seemed like a no brainer at the time and i thought i was actually expecting not i was expecting more credit when i told him as a kid like i'd go back with these ideas to you know to get a pat on the back but i didn't it backfired and that would happen on numerous occasions but this one not it didn't paid off because it never done it but he come and said i've got a brilliant idea and i was like well i had that idea 10 years ago at 12 years old might i had and that is true i've actually started on me on the on the spare land that um are you sure you said that was 100% i remember the conversation like it was yesterday did that put you in your share where you were scared to come forward with any ideas well to be honest with you like you know if you got a little bit of credit you'd be more obliged wouldn't you to come forward and and chuck more ideas out there but when you're coming with ideas and then you're you know getting knocked back ain't nice is it you know it's the same when i used to go out cold calling to go and get knocked back it made you reluctant to go to the next one made you just want to drive home think yourself right but this ain't working you know it's not good for your confidence and that's the same thing that i was looking for more a pat on the back or another avenue of why it wouldn't work not that all that's a terrible idea stick to what you know because again you put your point across very firmly even at something like that but it's still 10 years later has come back and said what a brilliant idea this is but here's the thing that shows and i'll go back to what i said about how you saw that i didn't today it's taken me 10 years to realise um that that business works that again is a flaw on my now that goes to show exactly what i was saying earlier what i said he's thinking and he's mine for solution for problem solutions and solving them is ahead of me it takes me time i'm a visual person does that make sense i have to see it so that that only goes to to actually say what i said earlier and and yes for me and he's absolutely right i've started that business we're now flourishing that business too and uh we could have started 10 or 12 yeah 10 or 12 years ago trouble is my mind was closed on it well what do you wish for for now for to be in the future um what do i wish for him to be without this sounding um uh cliche he's already on his way to be in what i'd want him to become which is a successful businessman in his own right and that's what he's already done so everything else from this moment forward is a bonus um the conversations that we have now are i'll go back to what i said earlier is where his fire now i'm lucky because i'm still fired up i still love what i do but his fires burning brighter than mine so hopefully with my experience he can amplify into knowledge and our journey as a father and son can hopefully with the good people that we've got around us that we're all going to benefit massively and that's my view if you could change one thing about your dad what would it be that's a hard question to be honest um i don't know what to say i don't know how to put it across with that insult in any way i don't honestly i don't know because even though for people looking in you would think these have the perfect life because you've got to understand how successful you are no matter what so can we ever be truly happy with everything of course not like you look the level you've got look the bond you've got but this is the first i've done over 300 podcasts and it's the first father son one i've ever done that people take inspiration from this and they'll also take notes because like you see you can't get to your heights with with massive massive sacrifice so as people willing to sacrifice that then it's like i'm here i mean stepher here away from your kids we're trying to build something you're trying to feed them you're trying to live the good life that i know what the decision i should be making but i still always think for myself and try and make the right decision trying convince myself i'm doing the right things but right now it feels right for me but for people watching us to be thinking you know what fair play they both use that give me three positives about your dad them three positives well i'd say number one is pulls through when most can't or don't which i'd imagine would equal draw three of them the knowledge that he comes with obviously that goes without saying and his wealth i suppose that'd be number one for me mate what about yourself alwy three three positives about your son he's always got my back even when i'm wrong that that i know that i do know um i'm proud of him for making his own journey um but most of all for him being my son that's a good one that's it for anybody that watching that's understanding the journey of success and charities or families well what advice would you have for them don't look to do it anybody else's way look to do it your way because if you get it wrong you've got nobody else to blame what i would say to you is the most important thing is to protect your children from the people that are around them the better the people are around them the better your kids will become for yourself after it comes that some days maybe in the life i struggled with knowing just maybe not not what we had to tell and what advice would you have for them i've said this i've said this enough time and and i've got it from i've got it from my dad it's just persistence and like you're like i've said earlier on this podcast is persistence i'm willing to make sacrifices and and to be willing not to do when others are doing you know that in the long run it's it's beneficial no that's what the persistence and hard work is all that's paid off for me how's it been today guys like having this discussion and kind of very healthy man these are powerful discussions uncomfortable no doubt for both of you's at times you're probably thinking i don't want you's fighting down the stairs there but how do you feel i've actually found it fairly easy to be fair with james you make it very easy thank you but you don't and uh i've said it to you before and this is not a back rub you know credit goes to you when you're doing this because this is as much for us but when we come on with yourself i can only speak for myself and i'm not sure what alffy would say but i want to give as much back so people can take just one thing just one thing away because everything that i say they're not going to agree with everything but if they can take one thing away that will help change their life for the better or implement it then i feel i've created a miracle because i've changed someone's life why be yourself alffy who's it been to there to be honest with you regardless whether i'm in front of a camera i'm not in front of a camera whether i'm on a podcast or not the respect i have for my dad i'm not ashamed of that's how i've been brought up and that's how i think most sons should be towards their fathers so you know do you like to finish up on anything no uh have you got any cocaine or i can get that no problem having the people i know and a bit of you let's have a party what about yourself alffy would you like to finish up on anything well listen just thank you very much for having me back james hopefully in the future we'll have another going five years time or something to see where i'm at quicker than that brother alffy listen absolute pleasure nothing but loving respect for you same as yourself thank you that's pleasure man i wish you all the best for the future god bless you and take care thanks brother