 I just was like, yeah, you're Ben is like. All righty, then live we are. So what are we going to tell you a little lamb story now? What was the lamb? I mean, you are the right ending. No, I just went offline myself. The lam because I just I just said I did the EFAP waiting lobby. Wow. No, it's played played culture lamb for a couple of hours. This is pretty fun. You have to start a cult for some some evil being on me because you're a you're like the last one, the other, the gods of old want to kill. And then they try to kill you. But this this being is like, huh, you're now mine and I'll keep you alive. And for that, you need to start a cult in my name. I was like, OK, Doki, it's not too evil, I guess. Yeah, yeah. Do they make animals and stuff? No, not animals, but I I I already sacrifice one of my followers already. Yes, I did. Oh, my goodness, I started naming people from my chat. Oh, one of the people were like, hey, don't judge me. But I always wanted to eat poop. Can you prepare some poop soup for me? It was like, sure. If you're going to get rid of a cultist, you probably want to get rid of the poop eating one. Yeah, that one is the one to sacrifice. That prevents a lot of issues. Well, the gods really appreciate that. Like, oh, you gave us. I mean, that got told me it's like, hey, by the way, if you want more power, you just sacrifice some of the followers. Sacrifice the good ones. You get more power. The poop even ones get you like an extra day of sunlight over the year. Oh, that's the strategy. They're like, oh, they're sacrificing people tomorrow. I better start eating poop. Then I'll give you power. Oh, man, you wouldn't want to sacrifice me. I'm the poop eater. Yeah, I'm the poop eater. I yeah, it's it's I'm pretty. Yeah, like prove it. You're like, oh, I do it at the times. I do it a lot, though. Yeah, I started ages ago. Yeah, Matt. What was your intestines think if you eat poop? And they're just like, what the fuck is this? Didn't we just send this out? What's going on outside? What are you doing? What's this? What am I supposed to do with this? I already processed this. Why do you want me to do it again? Like this is very inefficient. Unefficient, wow. Inefficient. Shut up. Like German intestines. Germans don't know what Germans don't know what inefficient is. That's true. Yeah, they're all about literally don't know. I never never heard of it. But yeah, it's basically we have like a mix of a rope light and base building. We have to build some some some stuff and have to keep the followers fed. So when you go out to your little little maps like inviting a vizag that are generated. Poop count as a food resource. Sorry, say that again. Does poop count as a food resource? Can this increase efficiency? No, but you can use this fertilizer. I mean, I guess you can make you can you can make poop soup. So I guess it counts as a food resource. I was going to say, I guess you're right. What does the poop soup have as like a nutrition value? I'd say it's a crop. It is a 50 percent chance of giving your follower diarrhea. So it's just more ironic. It's just more poop. You can make more poop soup. That is poop soup. Really make. Yeah. But then people can get sick apparently and apparently. And it's funny because they're like, man, we have to poop on the floor. Can you build an outhouse? It's like, sure. And look, oh, I have to be a tier three cult to build a poop house. But I can build a demonic summoning circle first. So that's apparently more important. If you were to ask me to build one of those two things, if you said rags, I need you to build either a demonic summoning circle or an outhouse. I would feel more confident that I could complete the outhouse. Probably, yeah. I go with the poop soup. That sounds like something like. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I couldn't bring myself to me. I couldn't bring myself to make. Well, not water, but I don't think I can bring myself to me. So yeah, until I reach cult level three, I have to go around the base and get the poop away for everyone because you can tell them to chop wood and get stones, but clean the poop. I have to do that as a leader. So that's great. That's not a very becoming job for the leader of the coal. That's what I'm like a bit of a beast. Like, oh, you're the leader of the tribe. Yeah, they have me clean up all the poo. I'm the leader. Yeah. No one else is allowed to clean the poo. Only I am allowed to clean the poo. This is my. I think privileges. Wow, it's crazy. Ask, why is that? How come you are the only? How come you're the poop cleaner if you're the leader of the cult? He said, well, that's because the poop demons are the ones who resurrected me. Exactly. So we have to, you know, give them offerings. So those as follows even come up to you, go like, hey, it's filthy here. There's poop everywhere. It's like, well, fucking get rid of it. Well, stop pooping here then. I don't know what to say. I mean, I don't I mean, you are a bunch of animals, but not in that sense. I mean, yeah, well, they are animals. So the little characters are animals. So I guess you're still right. I know you're a bunch of animals, but it's no excuse to poop inside. Exactly. So yeah, it's pretty fun so far. Now we're going to be talking about poop. Go right ahead. Welcome to every frame of pause where we talk about. Things every frame movies and nothing else necessarily excluded. So tangent if you have one ninety eight, we are two episodes away. Well, one episode away in a sense. Well, two, because I got all this one to go yet until we get to good old anniversary through themes. And we finally after this should have happened in 2018. I got a long attack. Finally got Deckers on. How you doing, my good man? Hello, world, I'm Deckers. I don't need a personality with the best air. Hey, I think some people in chat started saying that. And I'm like, um, we that's just a sound board. He's impressed on that one. We're not even saying it for real. It's not even a show. Try saying it seven hundred times with the same enthusiasm. Don't even get the real thing. We brought you on live in person. No one's going to believe you're the real guy. And I think you're just a guy with a sound board. We can't have that. Oh, yeah, 2018. That was that was quite a year. I was clear because we kind of crossed over. Didn't I have a clip of you in my video? Yes, it's hard to find my little. It's hard to find my little video of my reaction review to The Predator because YouTube hit that with the demonization, the violent content. I know it was a pretty heated discussion I was having with myself in that car. But I still think that was a little bit overboard on YouTube's behalf. Just saying, oh, yeah, I think my Predator video got demonetized as well, though, because at least I think I actually had footage of lots of death in it. So it doesn't really support. This is typical. This is all the lobbyists and big alien. Yeah, I just had that pulsating vein in the middle of my forehead. That's enough go for YouTube to demonetize. But yeah, we I think we lined up a little bit on that movie. Probably should have talked to you about it back then. But, you know, just you know how the Internet is. Things get in the way. Lots of things happen. It's true. And I wanted to make sure that everything was fresh. So over yesterday and this morning, I watched all of the Predator movies. Oh, how many how many movies are there in the Predator franchise? Well, there's Predator, Predator 2, Predators, the Predator, Prey and also if you count them, AVP and AVP Requiem. Yes, there is. I've been lucky enough to see them all. I've arguably seven. I have seen the price that I'm not hung over this morning. It was hard making it through the Predator. Like mentally hung over in a sense of having trouble. I can't. Yeah, you rewatch that. I mean beer. I mean beer. I was going to say that makes more sense because you would have had to have gotten through the Predator somehow. But, you know, that's the answer. I'm still one of my most like hated movies of all time. And it's only remembered for the one big law change they made, which Shane Black decided on that. Can you believe it? Yes. If all the I remember people saying, man, this one's going to be good because Shane Black's making it. The guy from using he was in the original. OK, why would anybody from the original thing make something bad related to that thing? And you're like, wait, first. Wait, what did you say, sorry? He also died first. That's true. So he wasn't in that much of the original. Didn't he make script edits, though? He added some stuff in the original. Yeah, I would assume he wrote his own jokes. Yeah, which land quite well for me, at least in that movie, in terms of it's less so his jokes, more so the reactions to the jokes right from Billy. Yeah, you don't have everyone acting like what he said actually was funny. But you more so laugh at his goal to say them. And then his attempts, his valiant efforts and putting a smile on Billy's face. Yeah, especially if they lad with Billy. That's just really funny on its own. Um, so yeah, we could do like a little little history, the recap, because Predator One, just just glorious. The best thing ever. One of the best movies of all time. Bulletproof, almost, you might say Predator Two. I'd be curious, what is your opinion on Predator Two, Daka? What do you think of it? In a while, since I watched Predator Two, I remember I reviewed it years and years ago, but that was when I started doing the whole movie online critic thing. And back then I was more just basing things on, hey, did I like it? Was it cool? Whereas after spending years and years on this, you tend to look more into what quality of a film was it? Like how well did they put things together? How coherent was it overall? And, yeah, Predator Two, still fun, still a lot of fun, but it goes a little crazy in more than a few ways. But one thing that it does that a lot of sequels do that Predator Two, I still think did better than most is it took the mysterious creature from the original and it tried to explain a whole bunch of stuff. But the stuff they added in Predator Two was, like, cool. Like, I enjoy it. Yeah, I think the changes or additions to the Predator Law, as we could call it, worked out pretty well from Predator Two. It's just it feels scientific to me at this point, because I did rewatch it and I've always felt kind of this way. But when rewatching and looking at the actual time code, there's like a cutoff point for the goodness in that movie. OK, a real, real good. I think it's doing great right up until Bill Paxton's spine is ripped out of his body. That's where things get really weird. And I honestly think it's around when he popped in at the subway, it was where I was thinking, you know, this predator is seeming less and less like a predator and more like a slasher killer. It was like, I kind of like allowed that in my head. But it is weird, right? To how did he like jumped on a moving train because he knew that there were people inside the train with pistols that he wanted to take that's how good he is. Smaller. The strange choice for the predator in the neighborhood. Yeah, this was this was what L.A. in the late 90s or whatever 97 movies from 1990. That is from the mystical futuristic year of 1997. Everyone's got guns on the subway. That's why the predator came to L.A. What's the thing, right? If everyone's got guns, probably wouldn't go to the subway. Probably go for places where he has a better way of escaping instead of a steel ball. No, no. He wants to get him in close. Yeah, he wants to get him trapped in that steel box with that. Well, either way, this hallway on rails. A lot of people like to say Predator 2 is campier and it's fun to have the camp. And I honestly don't think they crank the camp in until more than halfway through in the same way. Like having him get struck by lightning, I'm going, whoo, it's like that was a real camp. That's a little strange. And I don't think it matches the first half at all. When they're examining the predator technology and they're just given the, this is amazing. It matches nothing from the periodic table. Oh, yeah. What could it be? That's that's campy as all hell. I'll allow it. This metal is off the jerks. That's a really, yeah, I think that's the idea, right? Super strong and super lightweight. Whoa, that's what it always is. Sci-Fi metals. We have to do this. Yeah, this is sort of like, you know, politically, it needs to have some weight to it for the kinetic energy to do its job. No, not for this game. I like Predator 2. I give it a thumbs up and everything. I just I think it's quite a a mixed bag, like the most classic of mixed bags, where it's literally half and half down to the fucking time code, like I said. Kind of, yeah. It's like a new movie starts in the middle of it. And then we have to watch that movie now. Well, as we said, they're like with the the idea that they they like reward the cop with it with a like a trophy for defeating the Predators like that's neat. I like that. Yeah. And the idea of all just watching the fight play out and stuff, you know, and it makes you think more about what the Predators are really up to. What do they want? Then I guess because in my head, I guess I do count it. But I don't because alien versus Predator is canon to the Predator. So maybe if we decanonize the lot in our heads, that would be for the best. I don't know. But it was interesting that in the Predator, the little of spear made from the alien tail. That little trophy case. We don't just pretend like A.V.P. one and two set up, set up and pay off. They don't even pay that off. Well, I mean, they don't have to send a little trophy. That man versus Predator is fire. I've seen that YouTube video. I think you're going to have to wait until Matt Reeves is OK. Don't make it that I'd watch it. That man versus Predator. That would be cool. What about Predators? Oh, hi, Fringy. Oh, hey, Fringy. Deca, what do you reckon about Predators? Did you rewatch that? Yeah, I rewatched that as well. And I still really enjoyed it. But I feel like one of the things that they really failed to accomplish, which they could, the the movie was just begging for it, was to have more variety of the sets. Like even like they have the part where they kind of go into the hot spring looking area for one scene and then leave and never come back. Yeah. And then later when they reach a different clearing, then they notice that the sky has all these giant planets in it. And it's like, oh, crap, guys, there's a problem here. Well, it's mostly jungly, which is interesting, right? Because it's a fictional jungle, so they could have done whatever they wanted. You know, they could have made whatever landscapes they wanted. Yeah, but even then, it's like you had your jungle and then the bit in the spaceship, there was the campsite in the jungle. And then they'd return to the campsite several times. Well, I think I like the character work and the plot if you. I like to think of the convict as the Shane Black element. Oh, yeah. It's like Paxton had the jokes in Predator 2. He was kind of the Shane Black element, but he's still Bill Paxton. The convict was more the Shane Black element. The characters just seemed like. It just, it was too easy to pick and choose. This might be interesting here, that might be interesting there, but you ended up with people who didn't necessarily have any camaraderie there. It sort of grew a little bit, but not really. Yeah, because I think they were playing with that, right? Like Adrian Brody's character is almost that of like, I'm making friends, you're all as expendable to me as any of these predators, because I'm here to survive that sort of angle. Yeah, I think he comes through in the end, sort of, sort of a thing. That's because I haven't seen in a while, but I'm pretty sure that's what they're going for, right? Yeah, yeah. And he's like the only one to. Well, OK, so the lady also was kind of doing that, but the guy had it was a dark. Do we spoil that or not? We're spoiling everything, aren't we? Well, I was just going to lay some groundwork, see if you get some people, because I figure it was it was pointless in establishing what everyone thinks about the original, but maybe it's not. Maybe you hate that movie. What do you what do you think about the original? Get some get some. Oh, dear God, oh, man, that was tough to get through. Let me tell you. Yeah. Arnold Schwarzenegger, an actor, seriously, I know. Why would they even? It'll never work out. It'll never work out. Grinch. I I I really like watching the first one again. I noticed something that I didn't really pick up as well is just the way the ordeal affected everyone. I mean, by the end, like, it got you got people going crazy. You got people who are just hunkering down and swearing. Absolutely nothing's wrong anyway, up until it legit looks them in the face and they realize, oh, yeah, I guess, I guess, I guess that shit really has hit the fan. Well, and, of course, how it ends with like that shot from a helicopter, but you did all right. Well, I think that gives a good idea. See, the predator franchise all over the place is kind of the point I was going to conclude on. You guys were there, I think. I'm speaking to chat for the predator, the days of the predator. That was a nightmare. Actually, was he far before or after that? When did predator come out early 2018 or late? It was pretty. It was late 2018. I think so. Earlyish time, phase one. He's one. Yeah, I just mean did he stop before, after I couldn't remember. But all I know is the predator decided a bunch of crazy, horrible decisions. And it like it slots in with my little team of movies that are just like, how did they get this bad everything? Yeah, it's the the TLJ movies where they like destroy the franchise. They're a part of like in universe, as opposed to just being a bad movie. They like they like they want to dismantle a lot of the things that are established up to that point that the other movies rely on as rules. They're just like, nah, we're taking it apart. So I was and you're just like, oh, that's a bit mean. Not like girls, Predators. The lady specifically said that they did not have a name for the creature. Oh, and then here comes the predator like, oh, no, we had a vote and we thought this was cool. Now let's make fun of how dumb it is. Yeah, it was worse than that. Oh, like, yeah, we thought this was fucking cool. And then everybody's like, yeah, what is this? That's another weird one of like trying to have almost meta conversations that they think are funny, but in the in the universe. Something that seems to pop up at this point as well. So, yeah, that was a horrible, horrible, horrible experience. And then we all found out prey was on the way and it was. And I'd written it off pretty much. I was like, yeah, it's going to be shit too. Yeah. And then and then we watched it. Well, I think I was cautiously optimistic. I am I got like, I wasn't willing to say that it was definitely going to be good. But I was looking at the teaser and I'm like, you know, I don't see anything I hate. I think I was pretty much in that camp. I was I think I was mostly just like, just let me see the movie. I don't want to want to base anything too much off of anything. It's hard to get excited nowadays for like a new installment in some big franchise. Like, it seems like it's just a recipe for disappointment. Or are you setting yourself up for disappointment rather? But with this one, I was actually going to pass whatever formatting choices may or may not be made to Mr. Rags. All right, I think before we begin, I think it's important that you guys are forgetting a very important installment of the Predator franchise, which is, of course, Predator and Fortnight. Oh, man. What the fuck isn't in Fortnight at this point? I don't know. It seems like this is Fortnight's stick is that it's amalgamation of pop culture. Oh, it's like pop figures, the game, isn't it? Yeah, run around to whoever you want. The demon who makes trophies of men. I'm all right. It's nice that they do that instead of saying the demon who hunts for evolution. I believe that it is even who is on a galactic quest to find all of the victory royales that he can. Well, I hope he succeeds in the will of Fortnight. I hope he's nice. Yeah, I was going to say, Rags, whatever you want to do, however you want to do it, it's on you. Well, well, I am. I guess I'm the one. It's me. I'm leading the charge on this one, so to speak. I watched Prey couple. I don't know. When did we watch it? Four or five days ago? So I don't know how time works. I don't know. I'd ever we watched Prey and then immediately after we watched Predator 2 and I had not seen either of these movies before. So it was interesting to get both of them back to back. And we thought on our first viewing that Prey was pretty decent, not great, not terrible. I think a little bit better than average is what we said that five, six out of ten sort of area. And while other people worked on other things, I went through and I took notes and I watched the movie again and I have all my all my little notes here. So we'll go through it and we'll see just how well it stacks up. But we'll talk about it. We'll talk about the plot and the characters and what happens and is it good? Is it bad? We'll find out together. So it starts off with what I assume is Comanche Lingo. I don't know what it's called. A long time ago, it is said a monster came here. So I suppose this is sort of a retelling of events that have that has occurred. We open up very serene sort of landscape shots. This is 1719 as we will learn later. But as I will say it now, we are introduced to our protagonist, Nauru and the dog, Sorry. Which is its name. I'm not apologizing. Sorry for a second there. I was like, oh, oh, no, I don't apologize. Never. I hesitated. Yeah. So she gets woken up and her T.P. And she goes out to do mundane chores, super normal, super average. But she doesn't really like it. She would rather throw a tomahawk. She throws it at trees back and forth. She's practicing. So that's good that they're showing that she does this, that she throws it. It's something that she likes. She doesn't just, you know, throw it, get a bull's eye. And that's that by the tree that she's throwing her tomahawk at. She notices that there are hoof prints from a durr. Oh, how very amazing. Now, it takes her a while, I suppose, to notice these footprints there, even though she's been to that tree many, many, many times. But that's all right. That's right. She notices details. And so she goes off to try and hunt this deer because she, that's what she wants to do. That's what she wants to do. She goes out with her dog, hides behind a log and tries to catch it. Well, before she's able to throw her tomahawk, she hears a very strange noise. Oh, my goodness. What is that? It's coming from the sky. It's very unusual. Whatever could that be, we'll probably never figure out what that could be. That's strange. But it spooks the deer, and then she starts chasing after it. And I think it's total horseshit that she's able to keep up with it. All right. We could probably. Yeah, that's my wife. Before we stop there, that's right. It's like an intro scene. She's just like, OK, it's fine, it's fine, it's fine. I think it's weird enough that she's trying to hunt a deer with a like a hand axe. Well, she I think that's I think it's what she had on her at the time. Oh, OK. It's because she didn't have her bow with her like the. She only has a tough, you know, it definitely could be. But if you if you're really good at tracking and you injure it, then you could follow the blood trail. It'll slow down eventually. You can probably get it. And if an opportunity presents itself, it might not be the best circumstances, but you'll you'll try to make do with what you've got. Yeah. But she she and her dog, they're they're on the same wavelength. She's trained it. But it total bullshit that she's able to like run and chase after the deer. But she misses when she circle around the front of the deer and direct it. So she might not be going like in a straight line at it, like kind of coming in from the side as it's going around. I don't know. The dog would have to be fast on the deer, though. The dog could probably be a bit of an ask. It looks like sure that she's running parallel to it for a while when it's like she shouldn't. She's even ahead of it, seemingly, which is like that. She's a good, like, I don't know, eight seconds of that. And it's just like, man, that would be out of there. I don't know about all you city slickers in the chat who ain't ever seen a deer run in the woods. So fuckers are fast. All right. Yeah, I thought the nature of like hunting deer is that if they notice you. It's Gigi. It's facing after it's done and get away. You got to nail that first shot, right? That's how it usually. A deer in the woods is its element. All right. This is you're in. You're in it's you're in its territory now. So you better watch out, you know, it'll run away real quick. But she does make a throw and she misses. She does a few Apex Legends slides, very impressive, under the logs and everything. She doesn't a bunch in the movie. It's kind of weird. Yeah, she does. It's the thing. Like Layon did it, too. Layon did do it in Kenobi. She did the Apex Legends slide while she was being chased through the woods of Alderaan. It looks looks very strange. I've never done an Apex Legends slide, but it looks very. I mean, for a time now, all the video games wanted a slide. Do you remember? Oh, I remember. Yeah, I didn't. That was like when all the video games were like, yeah, sliding is pretty cool, isn't it? It's like, I don't use this ever. I don't know you. I remember when they put this in Jumping. I used it in Titanfall because Titanfall had mechanics that were built around sliding and maintaining momentum. But in every other game, like in Call of Duty Ghost, we got a slide now. Ah, thanks, guys. It's truly next to shit we got right here. I remember when they put this in Battlefield 1 had a slide. Yeah, it was really weird. I was like, I don't want to slide. It's fucking weird. It works fine. I mean, it works. It's just a little movement mechanic, but it's a thing. I don't know. But this is the origins of the slide was here in 1719. There was never a slide before 1719. Yeah, this is light. The command she stole her and they were like, whoa. And then they were. Whenever anybody was running and then they crouch, they just started immediately, lost their momentum and just started. You got a slide and angle yourself the right way. And you have to make sure that you like slide on the side of your leg and not destroy your knees horribly. Very complex. But you live in the woods. Look out for rocks and legs personally. It's just from the knees down to all calluses. Can't feel a thing. That's the that's what happens in the wilderness when you live out there. You got to be tough. Um, so she throws a signal, a win next gen. If we have a slide. Well, like, and now it's like, anyway, go on. The white man cannot slide. They had to learn it from the American Indians. It's not in the history books, but it's true. This movie shows us that now to a short chase. She throws a tomahawk and she misses a lass. But her dog is hurt off screen. He has snagged his or her tail in a trap, a metal trap. And it seems as if I don't think that she's aware of like metallurgy and metal work. This is a new material to her to the point where she tries to like beat it with a rock to try and break it. Which is understandable if you don't know what metal is. Yeah. But she has she gets the dog's tail out of the trap and she put some herbs on it. She's good with medicine, it seems. She's pretty good with. She knows about the herbal remedies and what not the poultices. She has a high skill in survival. As she is examining the trap, though, there's a noise in the sky. She hears it again. What is this strange noise? She goes off looking for the source of this sky noise, which is an odd thing to do, I suppose. But she goes off looking for the sky noise and then she notices that there is this strange flaming thing in the clouds. And it's sort of harding the clouds, not not very. It's it's very prominent, right? She notices it and then we get our logo. Oh, yeah, we pray first to talk about how strange it is. The dog the the trap with his tail. Yeah, I was about to mention that. At least I don't know how that happened. I was trying to do the slide too. And it just didn't go so well. You would think it was cool. You would think that more legs would help you slide. But maybe maybe I don't know. I don't know. It's the secret that I'm not a privy to. Or maybe I am, who knows. But I think what probably happened, and if we're trying to explain it, I assume it was moving really fast. And so it hit it with a paw and then it happened to snag the tail. But either way, I don't know the real reason it happened is the writers wanted it to get caught, but didn't want to do permanent damage to it. It hurt the dog too much, which is yeah, that's fine with me. All right, I don't want to I don't want to see the dog are getting hurt too much. Yeah, I go on. Yeah, establishes all the dog in the movie. I was like, I swear, if I see the skull of that thing put up on a I think I was legitimately worried. What do you think it's a thing like people want to avoid it now? Just killing the animal. He brought her a rat. I was like, oh, no, the predator will know he's a hunter. No, leave the dog alone. Predators like it killed a rat. That thing is worthy prey. Anything that can kill a rat. We were worried when we watched this about the dog. We were like, oh, God, please, not the dog. But by the end of this, we'll we'll discover if the dog makes it out alive. Perhaps it is a dog at all costs. Perhaps the dog is unharmed. Well, I guess not unharmed. We already already harmed, but maybe makes a heroic sacrifice. Maybe it sets off the explosive while everyone else gets to safety. Who knows what happens with the dog in us? We get our logo and when we get back, the next scene cuts to her with her brother. And I'm thinking, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You realize that you were just in the woods. You found this complex mechanical trap that stopped your dog and it's made of this mystery material that you've never ever seen before. That's so strong you can't like it damages rocks, not the other way around. That's really weird. You should probably bring this back to everyone and say, yo, look what I found. Isn't this something that's really weird that we should be aware of existing? But actually, because that means they're in range of the trappers. Yeah, and must be close by now. Yeah, and that's something that they could probably figure out to track in. Yeah, I'm not sure if they know about the white men yet. It's kind of unclear. It wouldn't. I think that they might, right? Seeing that, my point is just that seeing that, you're going to look around and that thing is going to be in range at least to the trappers campsite, I'd imagine, right? Oh, yeah, it's reasonable range. Yeah. And so if they were to go and search in the vicinity, they'd probably find more of these traps and then they might even find more evidence of bull. I imagine that they're not going to be hiding all the tracks, the French. Oh, yeah, because I don't know how much they go into, how much they've mixed. They have horses, but horses tape and get wild. So who knows where they got them from. That would be the fact that they are now, of course, I would imagine that there are multiple Comanche groups and whatnot, but the fact that one of the French guys knows Comanche means that and knows it fairly well that there must have been some amount of interaction. Probably, yeah. Makes sense. But we meet Tabe, who is the hero of the story. He is an absolute Chad and he's the best character. He's really cool. He is pretty good. I like him a lot. Spoiler alert, Tabe is the most amazing character. Maybe in all fiction, but my attitude towards him was pretty darn high on a first viewing. It went up further on a second viewing. Yeah, same. So this is Naaru's brother, and he is a Chad, and they are talking by the river as they look at a hawk with their bows, and he makes an insane shot hitting this hawk out of the air with an arrow. How incredible, what incredible skill. But in she said, and all while this is happening, he's telling a story about his kutamiya, which is the big hunt, right? And she says that she didn't shoot because she was waiting for the bird to circle around because now he has to go and fetch it on the other side of the river, right? So we get this, like, yeah. It's not true. I like to think that she was legitimately waiting. I don't think she has the skill to actually hit it, though. I don't think she's that good. He is very, very good. That's what I'm getting at is like, oh, yeah, we're just waiting for it to circle back around. It's like, I think there's I think she knows that she wasn't quite able to make that shot. So I guess like an element that leads into what's going to be pretty relevant like to going forward. It was brought up in an open by because I was trying to check it out when we were discussing it. It seems to me I can't tell if this is a fail or if this is character. I've talked about this in other movies. It's sometimes it's hard to tell because some writers don't realize how much they characterizing people with action. But she's like pretty much drawn the bow and she's just holding and holding and holding. And it's like they always recommend archers, right? You don't want to do that. Yeah, that's tough to do. You're holding a lot of tension with your arm. What I'm willing to believe in that case is that she's holding that shot because she really just isn't confident she's going to hit this thing and she keeps like, you know, hesitating, hesitating, which I think tracks with what she does with the she gets target panic. Yeah, I think we see that again in a next bigger moment to do with hunting. And so I would like to believe this is deliberate that they're trying to say she was going to shoot if she was ready to, but she just really wasn't. She wasn't. And I think her brother noticed he was like, yeah, I got this. Boom. Yeah. And then saying like, we've got to go walk together as kind of compensation, like just a little bit of deflection, I guess. Yeah, which I'm willing to believe characterizes them both. Yeah. I think so. Yeah. So then after he kills the hawk, he gets a two for its kind of fish. How incredible double kill. Alliance, right? It's at this point that he that she tells him that she has been practicing. She is ready for her Kutomia. She's ready for her big hunt. She wants to do it. And then she says that she saw the firebird in the sky or a thunderbird in the sky, like it's a sign. And I'm like, man, I. I don't know how I feel about this. If I saw what she saw, I would be. I'd be going back and like, guys, you would not believe what I just saw. Or would I be like God or something? Yeah, or would I be thinking to myself, I might come across as a crazy person. Maybe I shouldn't go around running and saying that I saw a sign. I don't know. I think it depends. Different people might have different, I suppose, methods of relaying that information to other people if they saw something that incredible. I'm just I'm really not sure. It just sort of happens where it's like, oh, I saw this. I saw this sign in the sky. So now pretty, pretty incredible, pretty crazy. I try not to say anything and everyone would ask me why my pants smell so bad. But I guess because these are your only pair of pants is the answer. I would do all that. Sliding in these. Sliding in them, wearing them to bed. Yeah. Again, I don't know if this character is Asian or not. The fact that she's not making a big deal out of it and the fact she didn't bring back the bear trap. Well, wait, that is the name of those, right? Or am I? It's that that's that's just going to I would that's just just a trap. Yeah, I'm not saying it's just mean that is the name. We usually give those right bear traps. Or am I crazy? Yeah. Yeah, people often call them bear traps. There's often time and they're big and spooky. And these are probably just to catch anything that steps in them. It sort of traps their foot in there. Yeah, yeah. So that it doesn't. Some people in my chat yesterday said that it might be a fox trap because it looks a little bit smaller than like a real big bear trap. But it's it's some kind of trap. This might demonstrate what I like about this type of trap as bear trap. So what did Chad just said? Guys, they do what the traps were. It's like she didn't. You literally know she clearly didn't. They weren't even invented yet. Dude, like we were examining it like never seen it before. She she tried to break the chain with the just a rock that she found. And this is the Halo show where you can do something like that. This is more realistic. No, remember in the Halo show, it didn't break the chain. It broke the motorcycle, which was not. I know. Yeah. Even though the rocks would come apart when she hit it. Yeah, they would just integrate. They were fucking worthless. Like they didn't do anything except not even the rocks on this planet are good. We get our big the Northern Great Plains September 1719. So we're establishing where we are. Very nice shots of the environment. It's almost pretty beautiful. Probably. It is. It's there's an eye behind it, for sure. Lot of good landscape shots, a lot of good sky shots. And as we progress, even though virtually all of this story takes place in the woods, you never get like seen fatigue. You never feel like you've been here before. The terrain is changing. The time of day is changing. The the weather is changing. The weather it is. You always you always just feel like you're going through different places. You're not like, oh, we're in the woods again. It's like, yeah, you're going to be in the woods a lot in this story. But it's OK. It is a very woodsy movie. We see our we see our protagonist and her dog just sort of walking through camp. She's you just sort of get a little establishment of this is where she lives. People around, sets up the aesthetic. Pretty, pretty normal. Just walking through. Here's here's where she lives. Goes into the teepee where she has a conversation with her mother, who was there there inside. They got their rocks set out. They're grinding up plants and things of that nature, you know, doing work, got to, you know, got to pay the rent. You got to keep those bills in check as you do. And they have a conversation, which is, I guess, our longest first long conversation, I guess you could say, why is my my subtitles aren't working? I have all these notes and yet my subtitles on this file. They like sometimes they just like to stop and you have to it has like a start, stop sort of issue. But let me see here, checking my notes. She says that referring to sorry, the dog, you trained. Did you say you trained him well? I don't think that's yeah, I do not think that's a male dog. I don't think so. Anyway, you trained him well, I don't know. Yeah, I she says you trained him well. And now who says it's easy, he's smart. And then she says not every smart creature is easy to train. Oh, my goodness. I guess a lot of my gosh. It's it's not so subtle that, you know, it's not crazy subtle. It sounds like just something people would say to one another if they're trying to be mildly, mildly subtle in a moment, but not so much. I guess she's implying here. What my takeaway is that she knows that Nauru is very talented and smart, but she's against the grain. She doesn't want to be like the other girls, I suppose you could say. But not in a not in a particularly mocking sort of way. It's just more of a kind of matter of fact. I think yeah, it's just more of an observation. This is just kind of how you are, you know. She's cutting up a fish. Nauru is she gives the tail to the dog. And she starts using this tomahawk in order to cut it up a bit more. Do to do to do. The mother is preparing medicine. Nauru asks Nauru asks if it is for the war chief's bad knee because he's been apex sliding the wrong way. And so you got a bad knee to do that leg. Yes, it's very bad. It's very, very high skill maneuver. Now, Nauru notes that in the medicine she's making, there's no orange tootsie, which is an herb. It's like a flower, right? And her mother surprised and she asks who taught her about orange tootsie. And Nauru says it was her. You told me it was you. Oh, my goodness gracious. And then the movie ends, the credits come in from the top, rolling down slowly. We now know where she learned about orange tootsie from. Overall, I give this a seven out of ten. Checkoffs. Wait, are am I mixing this up? This is a check off. Check off, Laura. Well, yeah, or am I mixing it up? Well, I think it's just legitimately. I think this is supposed to tell us that the mom just legitimately forgot that she had told her daughter about this particular herb before. But Nauru learned about it and she kept that knowledge. She's good at learning. I think that's what they're trying to say here. Like she listens to the very least absorbed information that she's learning, even if it's not directly pertaining to what her main goal is, I think. Yeah, it lines right up, picked up with, picked it up through observation. Like she does most things very, very quickly and strangely. And it is she's I think she says when she's leaving the camp not too long after this, like if they they don't see it, show them or something like that. And I imagine that would line up. She says that she says it later if. Yeah, once she goes out to hunt the strange creature after the lion, she says if they don't see, then I'll show them. Yeah, like, and you could say this is in microcosm that she's shown that she's actually taken in the information where the mum kind of implied just a second ago that she probably wouldn't have. Like, ah, I did. Like maybe and I think this might also say that the mother didn't specifically actually tell her about it. But she had watched and seen her mother using it. So it was a detail, yeah, which is less of an information sponge and more of an information sham. Wow. Oh. So yeah, she's pretty good at holding information, but not like insanely good at it to the magic. Yeah, I'm not trying to like, you know, say it's incredible, but there is a very particular way she lived stuff that's very present throughout the whole film. Kind of happen, absolves it forever. Yeah. We have her, she's cutting up the fish with the tomahawk. And she says, your father left you that to cut plants with. And she says, I almost caught a deer with it. I ran very fast and I slid amazingly well. You should have seen it. Oh, yeah. And her mother says, well, we can't eat almost, which is not just a snark line. Like that's important. This comes back later as we will, as we will see. You got to go to the finish. She can't do almost. You got to bring it home. Yes, you got to bring it home. And she's in your mother asks, you're talented at a lot of things. Why do you want to hunt? And then she says, Naru says, because you all think that I can't. Wake up, mom. It's 1719. Come on. I mean, it I think it's fair. Everyone. Yes. Also, this is a point of contention for a lot of people that it starts. Apparently, yes. Should should someone like this exist at this time period of this part of these people? And I don't know, is this so much of a stretch to believe there is one girl who felt this way? Exactly. All you need is one. And I'm sure that there was more than one. Absolutely. I don't think it's unusual at all. It's a totally normal personality trait that people have. They want to prove people wrong, and she's been practicing at it and working at it. And as we're about to find out, we're going to get reasons why she might want to do it like this inevitable that if you have lots of girls who grow up with all their brothers and fathers and stuff, doing all this stuff, but they just don't get to ever do it, at one point, you'll get one of them being like, I mean, I'd like to try it. Can I try it? Can I know? And then everyone goes, you can't. That is a signal of like, I can't. Oh, OK. As in, you're not capable, not allowed. And you know, when you play. Yeah, if someone told me I couldn't, I'd be like, fuck you. Yes, I can. When you play with like the people growing up and maybe just try out some of the things you learn to do, the archery and stuff, and then you learn that that's what they're doing to kill a lot of the prey they have. And you're like, I could do that. And you find it exciting. Yeah, I don't know. I just, they're just asking me to believe there was this girl who felt this way. I think that's fine. I think it's certainly shown me that on the internet and amongst us everywhere, we have a lot of American Indian cultural experts that I had no idea that we had so many who were among us. And now luckily we have this film and they could tell us everything that they know in depth about how this is totally impossible. And I guess, I guess if that's even going to be a thing that comes up, then there's once again the conversation about, well, what is historical accuracy actually mean? Like, I was going to bring it up actually, because why can't I extrapolate the frustration of this all the way into what do you think of alt-history in general? And I just claim this is alt-history. I mean, it clearly is with a predator, but you know, can I not just say that, yeah, this is a fictional take on some references that they're keeping accurate in the same way that we've talked about with predator or in glorious bastards, sorry, not predator, fucking patriot, wild brain, nice. Credit to totally happened, guys. Okay, that was also a movie that was historically accurate. Yeah, I don't know, I just, I think- I think people blow this way out of proportion. It sounds like a totally normal thing that a person with a personality would say. And she, she's, it's like, she says because you all think I can't, like generally everybody doesn't think that I can do this. And I think I can. I don't even think it like stems from, I think it's just that in terms of who she is and where she's at right now, she's like underestimated. Yeah. It's a proof of soul. In fact, she will, I think you're right that she feels underestimated and that will come into play later in our story, very, very bluntly. And I think we have some strong half and halves of she is underestimated unfairly and fairly. Yeah, unfairly, yes. Fairly, speaking of who she is estimated fairly, who should come in right now, then the hero of our story, Tabe, your brother. Are you going to say the predator? The predator comes in and he says, listen here, your daughter is incredible and you need to support her. I'm going to be out in the woods. Call me if you need me. Go. And I'll know it's you. I kind of like the, like the band to do. Yeah. Everyone talks like people talk. I feel I, the dialogue is very relatable. It's not overly clever or overly, you know, unreasonable. I think all of the characters pretty much in this are, I totally buy it that these are conversations people just have. It doesn't feel like a script. It feels like very natural sorts of conversations. Oh, I would also have it. Cats reminded me that that was Sitch's take. He doesn't like Inglorious Basses because Hitler died. It's just not coming from, let's just say Adam's take. Was that Duba? No, it was Duba. It was, it was Dumer. He didn't want to have, he thought it was like old history that's just trying to make themselves. It's definitely not Duma. Inglorious Bass is one of his favorite movies all time. Oh yeah, you're right. You're right. You're right. Yes, it is, it is Sitch, I think. I think it was, I think he didn't like it. He, I don't understand the historical. I, like, I don't understand. Just to clarify, it's, what was it seen as, I think the argument is disrespectful to, like, how history went and stuff like that. It just sounds funny out of context. It seems almost juvenile to make a story like that where it was, oh, this is how we really kill Hitler after all. Yeah. Oh yeah, it was, it was Esor as, yeah, like a childish wish fulfillment thing where we, we, yeah, we changed the events to better match what we would like to have had happen. Um, I think the sniper elite version where you shoot him in the ball. That I remember that. That was good. I wonder if Sitch would be okay with that or not. I don't know. This is, this is a fine person. We are like a fine fellow. Oh, absolutely. He's just awful on media. That's okay. Uh, I wonder if he'd be okay with like Wolfenstein, uh, or if he'd be like, nope, disrespectful. Cyborg Nazi zombies. Hell yeah. Next time we invade a stream, we'll do that. We'll ask him about Wolfenstein and the cyber currencies. That's right. Like imagine your world war comes out and you're, you're over your friend's Sitch's house and you're playing and then he's like, I don't, I don't think I can enjoy this. Like the Nazi zombies. Oh, would I mean, could you push it further? It's like, I'm pretty sure the guy who planted the flag on the right stag wasn't Petrenko. I think he had a different name. Like, I don't think he was that guy that you played as. Oh, that was, that was Bill. That was all Bill. Yeah, that was Bill. All Bill up there in that photo. Bill went through a lot. Bill's, Bill had it, you know, I'm glad Bill got his moment because man, he's been through a lot. Speaking of people who've been through a lot, Tabe comes in and he comes back. Sorry, just don't be a bit of a Sitch like this. Come on. It's just like, that is, that is pretty much the take, right? That's the take. I, yeah, we like Sitch, right? We would not incorrectly recall information purposefully. Like I said, I think it was just a take. Wish fulfillment, he thinks explicitly, he thinks that that's like a almost like a cowardly way of trying to run a story. I think that's how he put it. What about, what about like wish fulfillment in like an action film or like superhero stuff? Like, what does he think he was only applying it to history if it's like fiction entirely? Why, why, what, what, why would. Hey, why is that? Go on that show and go ask him, all right? We're here to talk about prey. I'm just, I'm just wondering like what the distinction is there. Oh, good. Let me see here. So he comes back with a hawk. Then he was able to shoot and mother is immediately impressed. She's like, wow, you caught a you caught a hawk in this wind. Very impressive. And I think that goes into one of the reasons why she wants to hunt. It's just immediately impresses people that you're able to do it. You know, it's it's not as important and stuff as it is to go out and get herbs and gather food and things like that. It's not, it's not as impressive when you come back with four beats. You know, it's really impressive when you're like, I shot a fucking hawk with an arrow and that's that that is insane that I was able to do that are not I amazing. He doesn't say it like that because he's actually quite humble. He's quite understated in his coolness. Oh, so I think it's like, oh, yeah, I want to impress people like that as well, you know, there's a little banner back and forth about with the brother and sister, but they don't have an unhealthy or combative relationship. They're on very good terms with one another. This is just how they talk. It's a little snarky back and forth sort of thing. It's not bad faith in any way. Um, so we're just we're learning more about their all of their talks have been like the first time they talked, he was talking about his kutamiya and how it was wet and the boisterine got muddy and she jokingly started to snore and then he hits it with a hawk because he's really talented. But it's not like they're not trying to like they actually really like each other. You know, they're just young people being, you know, that way as as they do. That that that that let me come back down here. OK, now, guys, next thing. Yeah, guys, guys, I'm here. I'm sorry, guys. Oh, guys, look, oh my guys. I'm sorry. It's the oh my god. It's the Predatorship. Look at it. It's the one it's right there. Oh my gosh. Look, there it is. It's invisible. Now it's flying away. Look, I should have shown. Oh, wait, it has an engine that could fly. Hey, I think there's an interesting conversation we have. I wouldn't mind finding out with unfiltered from from from Deku. What do you think of showing us the Predator arriving? What do you think? Well, and the Predator arrives in I feel like in the original Predator, the first thing it shows is a Predatorship and then pop out a little escape pod into shooting star little thing. Now, you don't see from the planet's surface quite so, obviously, in a way that hundreds of people would easily be able to see in that populated area. Hey, there's a thing right there in cleared broad daylight. Like the Predator even lands at nighttime in Predator one, if you notice. I think I think one of the issues that needs to be because I think this all works out in the lower that the reason that we see the Predatorship here is because it spent a lot of time looking for the spaces underneath elevator shafts. But it couldn't find any out here in the Great Plains in 1719. So it had you make do with what you got. So it just drops. Yeah, it's worth mentioning how the fuck did that ship end up where it was that building in Predator two. And why did they take a whole one elevator shaft? Like, by the way, just the second half of Predator two is because it's pretty it's pretty strange that when we watched it, I was like, what? We're here and there's just a hole underneath the elevator shaft in this building. And it leads to this underground cavern where there's a Predatorship and he just falls into it. The most bizarre part of it all is actually when he's hanging on underneath the elevator and it starts to go lower and lower, which, to be honest with you, isn't the worst thing in the world when you're trying to go down the shaft, the elevators coming down. So like, you know, I'm going to get lowered down. Obviously, it would be really bad if it started to lower you down when there was a flat surface and it was just going to cross you. But you know that's not going to happen because the Predator went down there. So clearly, you know, he's not gone down there because it's a dead end. So just just hang on and just, you know, it'll cycle you down. But no, he decides for some reason in that moment, I've got to jump off. I don't know why. Yeah. And then he does. And then it just cuts to him grabbing two ends of like a hole. And it's like, yeah, it's almost the bottom where there's a hole and he just grabbed it as he fell with bullshit. And then that is, oh, no, they falls into the Predator ship. Such a weird part of the movie. I don't even know why they made it that way. I think it's just because they had to cut two other things together and they were like, we run out of time or something's going on. But it doesn't feel like that scene was supposed to go straight to the ship. That doesn't seem right. It's like a dream sequence. The way I know, I know. Yeah, there was it. It was just missing a little potion that said, drink me. And then he gets smaller or something. Oh, the Predator did it. It didn't at all. That's a good thing. They could have just had him run outside. Go to a sewer. Like, and then the Predator, I guess, tracks him through that hole and gets into the ship. It's it's really the last. That's that's a strange movie. And no, um, anyway. So anyway, back to play. Yes, as you were saying, more interested in asking was just not necessarily like, what do you think of the Predator's arrival? I'm fine with that. I'm also talking about what do you think about showing us it? What was that 11 minute marks? Yeah, it's 11 minutes in. I like the Predator movies generally do showcase the Predator, but the technical reveal of the like when the Predator actually joins the fray, full on gloves off still doesn't happen until around 45 minutes in. Every single bit we see of the Predator is like hunting little things, just a little here and there, kind of examining some stuff. It's similar to how you see the Predator tracking stuff around in Predator one and just kind of sneakily on the side. You know, there's something there. You know, something's up, but it's not until much later that he really joins the fray versus Predator two, where he's right there, like at the beginning fucking people up. Yeah, yeah, because that's the one thing you have to keep in mind with all these movies is they are very aware of all their other movies that have happened already, which is why everyone usually argues. Yeah, well, Predator one got to be the most subtle because it was the first one. The other movies can't be subtle anymore because of the audience know. What do you think of that argument, Fringy? So I think that it would have been a better idea to not show the Predator explicitly until the bear and have that be the first actual, like, reveal of the Predator. I think that everything else we should have seen was evidence of his existence, but never anything explicit. I think we should have seen, like, what's that? They do they do a better job hiding the white people. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's true. I do. And I think that I think that it would be I think that it would be this this film is pretty fixed in its perspective. Like, Nara was the POV character, like, all the time, except when we cut to the Predator doing Predator stuff. And it's not that I think these scenes are bad, because I think that these scenes tell us a lot about the Predator and how he's operating in this world. And we see, like, the escalation in terms of the targets that he's hunting. So, like, I don't have a problem with the scenes themselves. I just think that it would have been cooler if the film was almost made as if the person who was watching it had never heard of Predator before. And so, like, they could watch the film, see a lot of weird things and kind of wander and try and figure it out. And then, you know, they eventually see the Predator soaked in the blood of the bear. And that's, like, the first full reveal of the Predator. And then it means we're right there with Nara, like, we are seeing it exactly as she's seeing it. I think that's the way that they should have done it, personally. Well, I agree. I was going to say this is something we were talking about a lot on our watch through. Just yeah, this is to I but I do like that's absolutely what I want. I'm not sure they'll ever go for it, though, because I don't know. I don't think so. A lot of people complain almost murder mystery kind of. A lot of people complain that this movie, as it stands, is way too boring and it's opening 40 minutes. Oh, just with this. There it is. Oh, God damn, dude. So, yeah. Because obviously we're trying to go through it piece by piece and tell you what stuff we're drawing from it and what I believe is there to be drawn. I was quite happy with the slow bird. So, yeah. And to be honest with you, like I said, us three, which apparently we're just like unicorns of the world, baby. Or I'm only speaking for the people I know feel this way. It could be more of it when it showed the predator doing this little thing. We were like, oh, it could have been cool if you didn't do that. Yeah, unless we see in the first half, it really it really lends a whole lot to building it up, getting that big reveal. So I guess we're jumping ahead a little bit, but there's a part in the film where there's the hunting group is like going through the forest and then we hold the shot after they leave. We just hold it for a couple of seconds. It's like, fuck, that would have been really cool if we did that a lot. Yeah, when we'd like hold frames or have like weird framing that draws your eye elsewhere and just to like fuck with you. You know, like to make you wonder if it's a little bit of an olive branch, like boredom, you know how it works. Everybody, everyone can have it or not have it. We were subjective. Yeah, but like we weren't bored. I've seen the movie twice on my second run through. I wasn't bored is kind of where I was going with that. It's like a meme without because of the whole three times not bored thing. Like, you know, for real, like it's just a lot of people probably wanted to know if we thought it was boring. This also comes into like pacing, I guess, which, Decker, I think you said in your video that you thought it was well paced, right? I thought it was probably the best paced predator since the first one. And that's the thing. I think the pacing is good as well. What I'm finding is I'm being completely honest from everything I've heard from everybody, a lot of people think it's really poorly paced. I don't understand that. I don't want to deal with that. I'm just like, well, I don't know. I was really enjoying all of the clues, all of the hints, all the characterization. I guess it's interesting because it has a hyper-conventional structure as well. I think it's got a pretty quick conventional, like it's not an abnormal film structure at all. Very simple plot, yes. Yeah. It's quite simple, in fact. Well, I mean, it's it can clearly be divided into your three act breaks. Like absolutely very clearly broken up. Yeah. Our if it was me, but basically the scene we're talking about, the ship shows up clear as day as a clear as day. Yeah, I mean, literally clear as day. It looks one of the sky just real quick, because I mentioned this when we were talking about it. But I don't know if you feel any similar, Dekker. But like, I actually think the only thing I would change if I had a cut of Predator was probably removing that scene where we show it arrive on Earth. Yeah, that is the most overt. Yeah, there's an alien here kind of thing, because even the little bits of Predator you see in the first half of the movie are from the Predator's point of view. And until the hand shows up, you don't even know what is looking at them. Oh, I love that. And then still, it's invisible for a lot of the time. Yeah, because you get it's very, very well hidden. They show you the heat vision and then they show you something picks up that scorpion and it's like clearly a hand with the hand is clearly not human. And it's just like, oh, this is we're doing good. This is what I mean about Predator. It came out so long ago and yet it has so many like film techniques in it that feel like they've been completely forgotten in terms of how to escalate your story nice and steadily. I don't know. Obviously, someone might be like, well, yeah, but that film was way more interesting because you had a bombastic enormous action scene in like the fist opening tempidus. It's like, yeah, I mean, you know, you could still have done that with prey. You I guess you could like a pick up a car and throws it at a bunch of people and they all explode. Oh, yeah. This thing can do that. And if someone said, yeah, and that's why it's more interesting, I should be like, well, I all right, I don't know. I'm fine with a slope. Because I don't even know that I call this a slope. I don't think I would call it a slope. It's one of our long movie. It's it's not that slow. This, yeah, the ship shows up and it leaves. It takes just a warp drive, jump or whatever it leaves. It's gone and it drops off our single predator. And there he is. And I would have, I would have just not had this scene at all if I was going to recut the movie. Just would have removed it. Yumbas. As Naro is out gathering up Orange Toothia, she hears a commotion back at camp because it seemed this is really weird. We didn't really, I don't know if we picked up on this the first watch through, but she hears some people running back to camp. There's some commotion. She asks what's going on. And someone tells her a lion took Puhi. Puhi is a young man, a hunter. I guess they know that a lion took someone and I don't know how that works. I was actually going to ask if you guys knew about this. Like, is that common? Do lions ever do that? It feels like the lion would have killed him and then try to eat him. I could picture it dragging him, but like, do you see how far it would have had to have dragged him? Yeah, how would you know? How, how do you have information is I'm guessing like they could have just said Puhi went out hunting and he hasn't come back and we found some lion tracks or something. Maybe one of the kids saw it or something. Maybe by someone, man, that lion ages though, it would have taken ages to drag a body all that way. I just don't. Is that a thing that they do? Doing is worth getting put an effort into. Yeah, like that's a lot of energy to expend when you could go get a deer. I guess I would have eaten him on the spot and then ran off when it gets company as opposed to is it dragging it back? Yeah, that is how lions operate. You're right. And that will come up later. Well, well, maybe they were like out as a group because we see them go out as a group all the time. So they were just doing something, scouting, I don't know, whatever they do. And then they went to the lion's den as they call it this whole time. I got too close. Maybe someone said he left a ransom note. I have Puhi. These are my demands, but very strange. I would have just reworked it to where he went out hunting. Has it come back? Maybe yeah, what's going to help? So she follows a search party, a hunting party. And one thing that will pop up a lot in this is that all of the other characters are pretty competent. Everyone, no one's no one's terrible at what they do. It seems like everyone. There's just a general basic competence that people have. People are good at doing things. The someone in the back, I forget his name, but he hears her approaching before she is able to be seen. And he points his bow in that direction and Tabe, who's in this hunting search party, he puts down his bow because like he knows before anyone else that it's a person coming and sure enough, it's Nauru and she shows up and she says, you know, I'm coming with you, you know, to look and one of the hunters in the group says we won't be gone long enough to need a cook and a few of them laugh a little bit. Sick burn, brah. Sick burn indeed. And Tabe says that she tracks well and if they find Puhi alive, she knows medicine. Tabe is a very good leader. Yes. He knows the skills of the people around him. He knows her skills. He wants to give her an opportunity to be a part of the group, even in front of others who are skeptical. He wants to need a healer. Yeah. He's like, oh, this is good. Yeah. She she's not just a cook. She actually has skills that we might need. She should come with us. She wants there. He wants everyone to feel like they have. He's good at delegating jobs. He knows to get people to use their skills. He's a he's a very good leader. If you are in a group and he's leading it, you will probably feel value and he's going to take advantage of you in a good way. Um, tata tata tata. Let me scroll here. Then now we have a really weird scene. We have a scene where you have an aunt. Yeah. And the aunt is so this is this is like, I don't like this scene. It's strange. So yeah, an aunt starts crawling around the grass and then it crawls onto an invisible creditor as he's sitting there in the grass and then a rat comes by instantly or a mouse and eats the aunt and then right next to the rat, there is a coiled up snake and then the snake, right? The snake gets the rat and then the snake notices that there's like something invisible right next to him and the snake's like, whoa, what's up? This is strange. And then the predator kills the snake. Yeah. Very literal apex predator. Yeah, it's like, I understand film. Yeah, I very much understand at this point. I got one continuous shot. And so all the creatures are CGI and the predator CGI and it's not the highest quality. It's yeah, there's some good CGI in this, but this ain't it. No, I don't even know. What are we supposed to believe that it's all a coincidence that they all happen to be there at the same time? All that he collected them all and then put them all down and was like, show me who's the strongest fight. This this and it might be able to take out a rat. I don't know. Yeah, I all of there is a there is an ant, a rat, a snake and a predator from space all in the same fucking spot together. We told him it was very important. They're all right next to each other. The predator doesn't have to move. All of these creatures are in all of God's creatures are within arms reach just killing each other in the circle of life. I could just I could just try to figure this stuff out. Those ants can pick up a lot. Seriously, you just wanted to make sure which one was the prey. This is the thing. I could totally see the director or rather the person who came up with that scene being like, yeah, well, okay. So the point of the scene, I'm like, I know, I don't know the point of the scene. I know the point. So this is like a terrible, terrible way to give me the point. There are way faster, better ways for me to like they should have had predator vision as a snake hunts a rat. As a snake catches a rat, you get the POV of the predator, Hito vision, looking down in the little spooky triangle appears on the snake. And then that's the scene because this is shown up later with a wolf and a rabbit. Yeah, I was about to mention that. Yeah, next have a bit of a thermal kind of sense as well. If I'm not mistaken, like some very good snakes are very good at sensing vibrations. Their vision isn't that great. But I yeah, the snakes feel they feel vibrations really well. It's part of their bodies that so on the ground, you can lure the snakes away from all of the people with the baton. I'm directing a different movie in my head. I'm like, but what about the snakes put POV going after the rat? I was like, that would be, oh, that would be an interesting subversion, though, where we think we're seeing predator vision, but we're actually seeing snake vision. I cover if I said this on open bar, if it was when we were watching it. But maybe it would have been neat to have seen predator vision of the snake going after the mouse or right or whatever. And it fails because the mouse or right or whatever does something smart. And the predators just curious about that because seems to he seems to watch just classic examples of animals killing other animals. But it would be neat maybe to to line up with what the film is going for, where the snakes like, I've got you. You're done. And then something happens and you're like, oh, that was a good move from all mouse there. I could just be like, it didn't curious about that. And then we can think about what that means, starting our main character. Perhaps it reflects what the mouse did in some way. Let's see. I don't know. Just kind of weird as it stands because very over. It is extremely overt and I don't like it. Way better ways to get this concept across. Um, so that the ant scene is done. Some people might call it a mouse scene. Some might call it a snake scene, but that's a really say who can who knows. Who's seen is it really? Is it who knows now? The next scene is our hunting party. They are sorry. Who is again, very strange. Clearly a female dog. Find it, which is just I guess that's what confused me that they an error like that would be. I don't know, but sorry. Find some animal poop. Oh my goodness. It's poop in the woods. Nauru knows that this poop, this it's not a wolf. Tabe notices the crushed bones and stuff in there and he says it's a lion and whoever made this poo is big because that is a big shit in the woods. Scott is scat tracking. It's a thing. So Nauru finds some blood on some nearby leaves. She notices details that others might not might not pick up on and they do some tracking and they find Pui who is alive. He's at a tree. He's been straight though. Huh? If not exactly well as Max Penn would say. He is a yeah, he's been hurt. Yeah, he's got big scrapes across his chest. He's laying there. It's not doing so well. So she Nauru starts making some herbal medicine for him and the others get to work on making a stretcher. Everyone gets their tasks set to them. Tabe delegates all this stuff. Progress is made. Everyone is competent. It's nice. Yeah, there is a progression with those fake primitive technology channels. Oh, yeah. Did you see the one recently that was going viral where they made like this? It was like a swimming pool in a bar. But like, yeah, that was cool. But they whipped together that stretcher and make all that rope real quick. No, they don't. It's not really actually really because the progression of the light shows that they've been out a while and it takes a while. It's not night until they finally get them loaded and are carrying them back. Okay. Maybe I was just really slow and boy scouts when I was I mean, it's tough to do, but these people are. I would assume that they're faster at it than most. Yeah, they're probably quite good at making this sort of thing. They know what to do. You see them cutting down trees and chopping wood and they even test the stretcher with a foot to make sure it wouldn't be a video I'm part of without me saying something stupid. Oh, we're all to be fair. I don't actually know how long one would expect this to take. I just appreciate the fact that the sun did go down by the time they'd made it. You have to make torches and stuff and they get like all right from the trees and yeah. So my notes here, the torch is specifically that so that we get a we get a montage of Nauru not practicing body substance isolation, which you should do in a first aid scenario, but that's all right as the men make the stretcher time passes. They test the stretcher to make sure it holds weight. They make torches with like mushrooms and stuff that they gather that'll keep light longer. So lots of competence going around these people know what they are doing. They live out here. Everyone's everyone knows what to do. There's no losers here. Let me see. We get her feeding him the orange to see a flower, which cools his blood, which is the first set up we get for its properties gobs. Herb. We're talking about that now. Just the idea alone is a little writing idea, I guess. Well, we'll do that when we get to its payoff later. I think we'll be the best time to bring it up because right now all we know that it does is that it cools the blood, which makes sure it doesn't flow as fast so that people don't bleed out. That's all we know so far about it. Very cool as you and it seems to have a very quick like once you start taking it, it acts very very quickly absurdly quickly. One might even say, but this is our setup for it or first setup. It is nighttime as they bring him back. And I think nighttime shot pretty well in this. They do. It's they do a pretty good job convincing me that that it's actually nighttime, not like movie nighttime. But as as they carry Pooey back to camp, Tabe says he wants to hunt the lion, right? While they're out there, I suppose, and Nauru wants to join him and he tells Nauru that Pooey needs her because she's the medicine one. So makes sense. I think he wants her to help Pooey more than he wants to keep her from hunting in this sense. He's really good leader, cares about people, delegates jobs well. So this is where we learned that the orange to see a flower, it makes you feel very cold in the process of, of course, cooling your blood. You feel uncomfortably cold. Somebody wants to cover him up as he's on the stretcher to help him stay warm. And Nauru says, no, no, no, you have to keep him cool so that the blood doesn't flow. And so he doesn't bleed out. It's better that he's uncomfortable than dead. And they listen to her. She says like the line. So like, do you want it to be comfy or alive? It's like, that's a good point. I guess I should listen to her either. I don't know, man. Comfy is quite a tempting option. I don't mean comfy. Being comfy is pretty good. About a rough day. It'd be really nice to feel kind of comfy right now. I stretchers just what I need. Now carry me home. He's just like, oh, my legs. It'll work down it. His hands behind his head. It crosses his legs. Like, ah, man, I need to hunt lions more. Isn't great. Oh, I'm so thirsty. Oh, man. If only I had some awesome stuff to drink, whatever that might be. Now, sorry notices. A dead mouse from earlier and the skinned snake and they see these strange big old tracks in the ground. Whoever could those belong to? She can't identify it, but she's skeptical at the suggestion that it's a bear. She's like, it has an awfully big bear. And so because she finds this strange creature out here, she wants to go leave this group and go join Tabe and warn him and tell him that there's something out here that's spooky. Delicious. One of the hunters doesn't let Nauru go by herself. Smart. He tells I really like as a touch. I do like it. Yes. I like it. Paka to go with her. You don't want someone if there's some creature out here prowling and you don't want someone to be alone. You want people you want the buddy system just like the pool back in the old, old days. Yeah, just so I like it about there for any aspiring writers. You don't actually have to split everyone up into individual people to get kills. Don't have to have them be smart. They'll manage to do them all to die. Everyone's just being generally just basic competence stuff you learn. Don't let someone if there's especially if there's a beastie around. Don't let people wander around at night alone. Absolutely eat people in groups. It said very matter of factly dialogue in this is fairly short. There's not very long lingering conversations. People tell people to do things. They do them. There's not like this big back and forth discussion generally. It's pretty it's a pretty good pace for the way that this stuff happens. Yeah, because in other movies you maybe would have had this one guy is like, oh, you go with him. It's like, oh, I have to go with her. Oh, but I don't want to blah, blah, blah. And this is like, oh, there's like clearly something thought out in their tribe. I guess like, okay, if this guy is like the de facto leader of the small party right now, if he says I'm going to go with this guy, I'm going to go with this guy. And very possibly. Yeah, it's large. So yeah. Yeah, it could just be this understanding that this is what you do. So he's the one to do it, but it has that sense of everyone's just working as a unit here. The end of the scene shows up in the tree this snake spine that the predator pulled out of the snake. Predator was like, yeah, this will make a great trophy. Yeah, I hadn't seen. Apparently he did think it was much of a trophy. He left it there. Well, I assume that it because he pulls out the spine in the skull and then he detaches the two and he keeps the skull. So we only see the spine. We don't see the skull in the tree. It's not the spine that he needs for later. He's sometimes the spine juice at least going by predator to I don't know. Yeah, he just took the skull of the snake, I guess. It seems to be skulls here. He takes heads a few times later and he keeps the skull of other critters. He takes the spine out with the skull, but I think he only keeps the skull, which is same premise. You know, just details. This would just be an example of man. If we didn't see that scene, that would have been cooler. Yep. Like we didn't see what happened to it. There's an element of fun and seeing him right away. Yeah, like there's some spooky stuff out here in the woods at night and it's fucking animals up and it's really big and it left a big old track. That's scary, but you already showed us the predator pretty clearly. So it's and that whole CGI circles is continuous scene with the circle of death. That's that of all the ways it could have been shown. That was really not the one to go for. Yeah, that was lame. I think since the start of the stream chat have been making up names, movies, but yeah, they've just been nonstop. Still going. I've been waiting for it to stop, but it's it's it's keeps going. So anyway, some of them were pretty good. Predator Mononoke. Very lovely. Predator at the gates. I love it. I love it. Very good. Well, now they're not going to stop now that we've acknowledged. No, no, we've encouraged them. To continue. The next scene after we cut from the the party with the wounded hunter. We have Paka and Nauru walking through the woods. They're looking for Tabe to warn him. And she hears a sound in the distance and she goes to investigate. Oh my goodness, it's Taba. He's really good at remaining unseen and he pulls her down. He says, now lay down. We don't need the torch. We'll scare away the scare away the lion. So we need to lay low. We're in its den now. I guess it's area that it calls home, essentially. So they have to they got to put out the lights. Now, Nauru tells them about the tracks and the snake and Taba says that they're in the lion's den now. So they have to prioritize that first. That is the immediate danger. He doesn't disbeliever. He just says, all right, but we have to prioritize the lion first. Again, awesome, awesome leader just knows what's up. Yeah, she's not just getting shot on all the time. Now, now Nauru wants to set bait for the lion and ambush it. Paka says that hunters should go out hunting. And if Nauru is too afraid, she should go back to camp where she belongs. Yeah, go make a sandwich. Yeah, go back and make some soup. Go collect some orange tautia or something. We'll harvest the vegetable. Yeah, go gather your orange flower that makes people cold. Oh, you. Now, Taba says that they will try Nauru's way. He will bait it and try to lead it back to the others. So he says here it's time for her Kutamia. This is it. This is your time to shine. The lion is deadly enough to be considered worthy prey for a Kutamia. So well, they they're explicit about how that works. So this yeah, you have you it's something that's hunting you. Yeah, you have to you can't kill a deer or something. It runs away. You have to kill something that's like either a predator creature or is very deadly. So it's it's not just oh, you could kill an animal. No, it was really dangerous and it's true. You should you should set that up at some point. Have a mouse. You drop it on you in front of everyone else. Oh, it's got me. I got it. Oh, man, just in the nick of time. Oh, it nibbled me there. Oh, it was going for the throat. I got it guys. It looked like I got quite a good back of the blood right there. Yeah, that's the biggest mouse I've ever seen. Wow. That was incredible. All right. I get to hold the talking stick now. So when the lion, he says, when the lion comes, you tell that thing this is as far as you go. No more. This is it. We have the next scene where you have a Paka and Nauru sitting in a tree and she's S-H-A-R-P-E-N-I-N-G an arrow. Oh, she's sharpening an arrow. Yes. Yeah, I didn't want to misspell that on stream. That would be embarrassing. I would totally fuck that up. They would have never stopped talking about it. They'd have been like, oh, Rage's misspelled sharpening. Could you? Hopefully that the spur of the moment quality of that hilarious bit that I just did would have. Yeah, I got an excuse. It's off the top of my head. I haven't spelled in a long time. So spelling is tough. She is sharpening an arrow. Paka says, doesn't matter how sharp that arrow is, if she's too afraid to use it. He thinks that she's a coward. Yeah. Or she thinks that she'll turn and run when the going gets tough. And then he starts talking about how deadly lions are. They got teeth like arrows and they crush bones. And, wow, incredible. It'll, he says that Tabe and him will kill the lion when he gets back and she's not going to do it. So he gets pulled off the tree and the lion viciously mulls him. Oh my God. That's sudden. Bit of a jump there. He was off screen. So we couldn't hear him or see him at all. Yeah. It's a, it is a lion. It stalks prey. It's sneaking up on you. You're in its den. He was too busy. Jibber jabbing. He was being a jerk. Yeah. This is what happens to the jerk. He paid the price. Yeah. Jerks and trees get mulled. I'm sure they feel very. A second run through felt super cliche to me. Like, you know, lions are big, scary, spooky. Oh God, no. Let me describe how deadly it is and what it will fucking do to you. If that was to ever happen to you, which, which could happen. Uh, um, it's terrible, terrible death. Screens from offscreen linger. We don't actually see the mulling. It's behind a tree. That is the loss that we ever hear about him again. It is a joke. And then you ruined it. It makes me wonder how that first guy survived the initial attack and then the dragging all that way that the lion never thought I'll just shut this thing up by killing it. You know, well, I think she, I think she says what? Go ahead. Sorry. Lions are surprisingly gentle. Oh, yeah. It doesn't narrow say that she finds it weird that he's alive as well. And that's something must have scared to line away. Yeah, this is what that's once he's dragged him all the way to where he was at. She's saying, I'm pretty sure. Right, right, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that you I mean, yeah, I it is earlier. I don't know if I put my notes or not. There is, but when they come across Puhi by the tree, she says it's really weird that a mountain. I wouldn't just leave him alive if it, you know, attacked him like this, something must have scared it off and what kind of things scares a mountain lion. That's strange. We should be concerned to a healthy degree. Yeah, I'm a border. It's just that I would have thought the lion would have killed him well before it dragged him all that way. No, yeah, maybe not though, right? Like if it's dragging it back to its den and if you kill it for as long as the guy is dead, you know, I guess. You know, is that that's how lions think about what I I would imagine. No, no, no. Well, I'm pretty sure a lot of animals understand the notion that you can't like kill an animal and then just leave its corpse there for a few days. The lion talking and thinking like, okay, go for the neck because if I go for the gut again, he's going to just get poop all in us. Lions typically do try and strangle. They will always execute prey as soon as possible. That's what lions in Africa do. But I'm a mountain lions like the same genus like are they mountain lions in North America aren't the same as lions in the Sahara, right? Well, I have you. I think what happened is I think the way that the best way to sort of square the circle is that poo he was mauled on that spot. The predator was watching as it does things hunt other things. It was watching the lion maul poo he or start to attack him and then the lion became aware of the predator and it scared away the lion. The predator scared away the lion poo. He wasn't killed yet. He was just left there and the predator wouldn't kill poo he so when we get back to camp their explanation of a lion took poo he that's I think that's the the fuck up. Yeah, I think that's the part where they that needs the fix. Okay. That's how I see it. I see a lot of answers in chat that aren't really helping me figure it out. What I'm asking is lethrow. Does does a mountain lion because I saw earlier people saying mountain lions will like drag their their prey like back to their dens and drag them for a long distance as well because they don't want to have to deal with wolves and stuff. But would it drag a human who's like. And the kind of terrain is going to drag him over is a lot of it's complicated. Dream that a mountain lion doesn't hunt too far away from its den right like otherwise. I know it's going to be a problem for it. I don't I don't know. I guess it's not a huge deal. But I think if they would have just said earlier it's like oh they were hunting and they got one of them while they were in the den and now we have to get them. Yeah, they would have fixed a bit to the lion and he hasn't come back. That's not good. We should send some people out to look at this about regular all lines but I didn't know it about mountain lions because lions will like yeah they they'd like usually strangle. They clamp you know they clamp their teeth around like the neck of whatever they've hunted and then then they munch on it. Like that's what I just don't know if that's because if that's what a mountain lion does then yeah he should probably be dead right like like he'd be dead and then get right back because he's portrayed as fucking vicious in this scene to the point where it like annihilates that guy real quick and just makes me think like how did that other dude survive. I guess we don't know. I mean these are these are pretty complicated. We have a lot back he hits the guy in his first strike and maybe knocks him out and so he the lions like happy to assume he's dead or something. Maybe or there's like a legitimate there's like a struggle here. Yes springy the writers of prayer clearly referencing African lion behavior not mountain lions. So you make a strong observation. I'm just asking. Holy shit. Those are those babies. If I do a quick Google search says once a mountain lion has killed its prey usually by swiftly and cleanly breaking their neck. It will gorge their car on the carcass until it can eat no more. Right. So it actually sounds a lot like regular lions then. Yeah. That's like the first Google entry I find. So take a look at Google. Yeah. What does he know. What are his qualifications. So anyway you're only from the website native animal rescue if that means anything. I hate those guys. So the lion darts away after killing Haka and she gets back up into the tree and is looking around and the lion is like oh I'm going to get you and he jumps up and he chases her out upon a limb and she's backing up and she's got her spear and the lion's like I'm going to get you just you wait and he's making lion noises and he's showing his teeth like arrows and he's saying I'm going to crush your bones. Just like that guy said he was totally fucking right. I didn't kill him because he was a liar killed him because I'm a lion and so she's backing up on the tree. She's got her spear and we got a real shot. It is a pretty cool shot. Yeah. We're they're up on this tree and pull up a shot. Okay. Mom is fucking doing already. Drew's mileage on the lion's shot tree. Is this the shot you were talking about? I don't know yet. I assume this is the one. Yeah, that's the shot. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's beautiful. When I guess you get to eat tonight. Oh, now the lion's getting closer. She's backing up. She's she's not standing her ground. She's backing up and backing up. Yeah at the moment and right as she's at the end of her at the end of her is there an idiom that's appropriate here right as she's at the edge of her limb the the end of her stick the out on a limb. She's at the end of her and yeah, there's got to be something maybe I'm thinking you go out on a limb to do something. I don't know point is she right before the lion's lion's right in front of her. She's got her spear. Oh my gosh, what will happen next? There is a noise red lightning. She describes it as a later but there's like predator noises in a red glow from the forest. It distracts her. What's that over there? This is more pressing than the lion in front of me and she kind of slips as the lion pounces and she falls off the branch and she hits her head on a rock and not after a managing to land a blow. Yeah, that's one small hidden. Yeah, she gets a little gets a little stabarino in there as she's sort of fallen. In fact, let me watch this real quick. I'm just a little bit curiosity. There's the distant roar. Yeah, she's able to hit it in the side with her spear as she's falling and she gets knocked out. What? Yeah, you kind of went. Yeah. Like, oh, good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What can be said about this? I'm not a fan of this. I like the idea that she fails to kill it because she's hesitating but the way that they do this is kind of crazy. I don't like how she falls and hits her head on a rock on a rock. That's probably my biggest issue with this. Then you have to go with, well, I guess we need to go a little bit further before complaining about more things. But yeah, because it was interesting the choice of words you had, which I kind of agree with. It's like there was a distant sound and that took precedent of her focus over the lion in front of her that's about to eat her. Feels weird, man, but okay. There would have to be quite a noise for me to turn my eyes away from the mountain lion in front of me that's covered in the blood of this other guy that it just brutally and horrifically killed. I like the idea of the scene. I'm not a huge fan of how they've executed it. I would have preferred if we rejig everything that it's kind of her lack of focus that maybe even got the other guy killed, but she makes it out or something. Meanwhile, what we have here seems to be that the it's trying to argue like she was distracted by the predator and thus failed while I would have sailed easily for just she hesitated because she's just not as good at this yet. Not experienced. She's aware of what you're supposed to do. But I thought they wouldn't do it. You know, like how afraid she clearly was, which is great because I don't mind. Yeah, this this film doesn't have elements where it's total failures often. It's generally like this mix of I see what you're doing. We need to tighten up the execution. Yeah. And then she's knocked out only because she fell on the only rock that was perfectly head sized like a pillow. It is like a pillow. Yeah. Yeah. Don't have her head hit the rock when she falls off. It's fine to just have her falling and cut to black or or she lands onto another tree or bush or something where she tumbles something. It's believable. Then I'll give it to the movie that had she just landed all height itself is it's it's not not easy on the body like adding the rock kind of adds the element of I'm probably going to die to it. She might. Yeah. Yeah. If you hit your head on the dirt that's still you're hitting your head on the dirt like a rock. Absolutely. Man, like that. I think you guys are right because I think she falls probably about two meters head if she slams her head on the on the ground after a two meter fall. That should be enough to argue. She knocked out. Yeah. Absolutely. That rock knocked her out like a French. Oh, I mean, I mean, when I'm Scofield when he's in the in the the house and he falls down the stairs and that knocks him out. Yeah. You don't need to have them hit some rock like in fact don't do that because rocks are really that you hit that like you're in a bit of trouble. Um, we and quite a I don't know what the Predator is doing way out there with the I don't know what that light was supposed to mean. I don't know what that idea. I don't actually know what that's supposed to be. I think after he's fighting for the snake hunt. Oh, yeah. We're going to get that snake was cray-cray. I think they might he might be fighting the Frenchman already. Maybe maybe because they already know it. He's here, but then the scene with the wolf doesn't make any sense anymore. That is the direction the Frenchmen are in. Yeah. Maybe that's what I was thinking. Is that the direction that Francis in? She looks out and is like, oh, Francis that way. Oh, the French. Well, I could actually I can double check to see. Yeah, but that's the idea that I got because I don't think the spaceship is just floating in the woods around. That doesn't make any sense. But if it's like this red color, which means that would have been like one of these those wristband explosions, but that's only a one-time thing. Well, yeah, I mean, whatever. I'm willing to sell that is doing something with I guess he's doing. You know, we have the problem that the scene with the wolf we see that doesn't make any sense anymore because then you already had something found that is more worthy of prey. I suppose you could argue he's maybe he's bumped into a couple of Frenchman's distant from their camp and looking for him. But he also stumbles across the wall. So he fucks around with that for a bit. I don't know. Okay, so it's ragged. She got knocked out and the lion didn't eat her defenseless body. No, because it has a spear in it. And I think you could make a better argument than that. The brother may have shown up and the lion was like, fuck this. I'm already injured. Yeah, I will there is that. I think if you predators in particular really don't like to get hurt because a predator relies on being mobile and healthy and able enough to go out and get its prey. So they are not really they try to not get hurt. An injury to a deer is not as big of a deal because a deer could just eat whatever is around it. But if a mountain lion or predator or wolf gets injured, then it's a lot more difficult for it to get its food. That's why so many of them ambush and things like I'm assuming they brought it up. She's knocked out. So the lion would probably be like, well, yeah. Well, why didn't it just kill her? Well, it's probably hurt really bad. And so it doesn't probably might not know she's knocked out. So it's just high tailing it. It's like leaving like I got hurt pretty bad. I'm going to leave or I got hurt in some capacity. I'm just going to leave especially now that my cover is blown, so to speak. I just I mean, I don't know why we wouldn't assume that he was in he was sitting baits who would have heard the screams of a brother would have been there pretty soon. Mm hmm. I assume at this point he is definitely on his way. Tava is coming. When when we the next scene, she wakes up at home in her teepee and her mom's there and she's making some soup. And she says your brother carried you home. So yeah, he was there. He didn't go after the lion. He got her brought her back. And when Nari asked where the lion is her mother says Tavi went after it. Fair enough. She says drink this tea and I was like, No, I got to I got to go out and get it. Oh, no. Oh, sorry. Sorry. I skipped a little bit ahead. There's some stuff here. So she's yeah. Now who says that she wants to go out and find him mother says no drink this tea. She says that who he survived because of her medicine and she says this and like and this is very approving proud manner almost as if to nudge her in the direction of sea like we were really happy to have you doing things that I guess are not hunting. Right. That these are very meaningful things that you do. We're proud of you for it. And it shows that her my hair medicine is good enough to save people's lives. It's just good at it. Yeah, if you need more of that. She says to the mother says if your brother needed you, he wouldn't have brought you back here. Yeah, it's like which I think is if anything, it's the mother knows her children very well. Yeah, he is very competent and he can I think she knows that Tabe can assess his own skills accurately. Tabe doesn't he if Tabe thinks he could do something. He probably really can do it. He doesn't try to overvalue his own skills. Can't you be more like your brother? I'm trying to be. Not like that. She says here now this line is a little strange here. She says that the the only Katamya isn't about like like hunting. It's it's about the the only reason for Katamya is to survive. And that's odd to me that the only reason that you would go out and hunt something that can hunt you is to survive a situation that you're putting yourself into. I guess it would be maybe that you would say that if the time comes that you do encounter like a predator animal, the reason why you've you've proven that you can do this is so that you can do it when you need to not because you want to and that would be my reading of it. She thinks you you think the reason for Katamya is to prove you can hunt. Show the next line, but there's only one reason to survive. Yeah, like I don't see the problem with that. It would be that so that if you would go out and then encounter like a bear or something, you know what to do survive. You you've demonstrated that you can defeat like anything that you could ever encounter. But it's not for the sake of going out and hunting bears and mountain lands. It's so that if the time comes, if you need to be ready to do that, you can do it. Okay. That would be how it makes sense. Read into it. Later that night, Tabe returns with the slain lion. He's carrying it with him. I think he's big, too. But he carries it back and he's got blood on him and he's got the lion head and man, well, wow, you did a great job. He took out that lion and boy, there's a bash. He gets to hold the fancy talking stick and everyone's dancing around. They're having a gale time. Yeah, things are great. He's really he is. Wow. What a he's the new watch you've now he's the successor is maybe that's how it works. She said she doesn't refer to him as Warchief later, but I almost I almost wonder if that's well. We also hear that he is in the bad way and he's getting worse. So he's probably looking for a successor. I think that would be a big prey bad knee or something she was saying, right? Yeah, he's getting worse. Um, so we have one once thing interestingly, one of the hunters in the group that was with us earlier, he seems kind of almost like upset that Tabe gets the glory and I don't know if it's jealousy or frustration. It's hard to really say, but he's almost like annoyed that Tabe was the one who was able to get the lion. I don't think they do much with that at all. Do they they show it happening? I think it's more so just for us to be a bit of dynamism in the response to this event. But yeah, yeah, I forgot that scene that happened. It's really short watched a movie twice like it doesn't play into anything like doesn't yeah. No, it's just like this is his reaction to that. Um, now in the dentist. Dentist nine out of 10 hunters love Tabe. This is the one angry one. We don't talk about the 10th Hunter. He's upset. Now in the crowd while they're all dancing around, Tabe notices that Nauru is leaving and he asked, where are you going? And he even says we did it. Yeah, it's being nice and everything. Yeah, we did it. And she's not happy that the lion's dead. She says that there's still something bigger out there. And Tabe says, well, if there is something out there, I'll get it. Oh, he would. He's a Chad. He probably very well might. Um, Nauru wants to go back out and find it far beyond the ridgeline and she will go alone if she has to. But Tabe says, you can't. And she says, do I need your permission or chief? Almost, of course, in like this mocking tone and they have this exchange. She says, it's not about permission. You can't. I had to carry you back. She says, I can hunt and he says, you're right. We didn't do it. I did. You tried it. You just. You just couldn't bring it home. And I like. Yeah, what is that? Oh, yeah, I was about to say this thing you said. Go ahead. I really like this interaction. It shows that he's at first when he sees you're leaving. He's like legitimately curious why she's leaving. He's like that we should celebrate because we did this. This was like a team effort and he only turns the credit to himself when he feels like he needs to out of a place of I think what is sincere kindness dissuade her from going out and trying to kidnap or kid. Why did I say kidnap kidnap the lion? Well, go out and hunt this other apparently bigger creature. He is sad almost like he doesn't want to tell her that she can't do it. But he feels like he needs to because he's legitimately concerned for her getting herself, you know, killed. He's not just trying to be like, oh, I'm amazing and you're shit. You know, he's he has. He's like he's he doesn't want to tell her this, but it's kind of true. But it is true. Yes, it is true. Yeah, I didn't want to. That's why he's that's why he's like you can hear it in a delivery. He's like hesitant to even say it because yeah, he sighs and you tried but didn't bring it home. Oh, he's thinking of the nice way to say the nicest way. Yeah, he could say it, but still say what he needs to say is like you just you don't have what it takes as I was like, I wish you did. I really do. Yeah. I mean, but I don't think you are good enough. I just don't think you are. It's going to get you killed if I wasn't there, you know, correct. How do you feel about the argument that this scene doesn't do well for her likeability factor to the audience? I think that there is a few times that this kind of thing pops up. I I will say I like Nauru a little less on a rewatch and I like Tabe more. I like the scales of shifting. I have lots to say on the subject of how much I like we go. There are a lot of things that I like. There are some things that frustrate me, but we'll get into those we get into those. She sees I guess she sees a bigger picture in the sense that there's something big out there. There is she's willing to do it even if nobody else goes with her. Um. There is like what are you what are you getting? So I've heard many of these arguments from many people who've seen the film that this scene is annoying to watch because it's such a great moment for someone that she clearly has strong feelings for. Family member, but she just can't. She's so fucking bitter that she couldn't do XYZ and she's made it all about how much he's been screwed over instead of involving any level of celebration for someone else. Yeah. Culturally speaking, one could argue that this is a huge moment and she's like completely shitting all over it. And the brother just goes above and beyond, man. What a legend. Yeah, Tobi's amazing. I see what you mean. I absolutely see what you mean. I think I think that absolutely does hold some weight, especially given what their relationship is sort of portrayed as before this. These are choices she can make. It's just that, you know, these are choices she's made now. I understand. I think that's totally reasonable because their relationship is portrayed as quite good and he's done nothing but give her chances and set her up for success. And he's just like a really standup guy. I would consider tweaking it to the point of she celebrates with everyone else, but it's a little bit feigned and he notices that and then pokes at it, pokes at it, pokes at it until he gets a bit of truth out of it, which is the bullshit that I was left behind. Then you'll be like, you were knocked out. Then she could be like, yeah, but that was our kill. And then you just have that conversation out, why not? Yeah, maybe after the party he sees her sitting alone like she's looking off into the wilderness and he's like, yo, what's up? What are you thinking about? Everything's kind of settled down. And then she's like, I mean, there's still something out there that what made those tracks? What skin that snake? Like there's something out there and those noises I saw, those lights. And as someone just said, he saved her life and she's not really like, yeah, it was a shit. This is annoying. It's true. It is annoying. Yeah. The real point here is that Tabe is the main character and that he is fantastic. Captain Chad. Captain Chad. Absolutely. So there is one other aspect of this that I really don't like. And I there doesn't seem to be any recognition that Pock is dead. Yeah, exactly. Correct. That is a problem. This is there doesn't seem to be any acknowledgement that he's dead and horribly so. There doesn't we just don't we don't get anything for that. Where's his mom? Shouldn't she be? Yeah. Yeah. She's here. Everyone knows. So but oh my God, we have to put a pin in that really quick. Live art. He just made this shit. What it is so good. Oh, oh my goodness. That is amazing. Oh, wait. I go. I said it. Tomahawk there. That is beautiful. It's fucking great. Oh, I love it. Rags hanging out with weight is sorry. I was talking to move. Yeah. Well, no, I mean, we're not all look the same rags. Yeah, why did I call you rags? I'm rags reinterpreted the image wrong in two ways. I was about to say it's rags with Captain Chad. I was like, oh, no, it's not. Is it the rags Captain Chad ship? So start pouring in weekend with a few edits. Just need to add some shade. Absolutely. Well, we'll get that we could do it. But yeah, that's really amazing. That's great. Yeah, I love it. It's good stuff. This is the kind of reveal that we needed for the predator in this movie. Yeah, they turned the camera totally break the fourth wall. But yeah, so Paco is dead in this hunting party and no one really seems to acknowledge that or say anything. He just disappeared. His existence after this just completely is gone. And it's not like he was kind of a jerk to her. Maybe he was really an asshole and everyone's just OK with this. It was like, oh, thank God he died. It's like we got the lion and Paco is dead. Best day ever. Their plan was to kill him all along and make it look like the lion did it. But it actually killed him. And they're like, oh, thank God, I don't have that wing on my conscience. It was like, oh, God, did did pocket up make it? Then they go, oh, no, that's all right. Yeah. Oh, he died. He got he got killed horribly. He got pulled off a tree when he was talking about teeth and arrows. It was. Yeah, I just like don't believe it was the lie. They're like, did you kill him? Just tell us. No, we actually didn't. We actually didn't know he legitimately got killed. Oh, yeah, I did watch I did watch when it happened. It was. Yeah, I mean, his body's still out there. You can check it out. It's by a tree. It's it's it's fucked up, man. But yeah, it's rough. No amount of orange to the yellow orange. Tootsie is going to fucking save him. He's cold already. He's he's done though. Jokes aside, it isn't problem with the movie. Yeah. What if we're like, I don't know, like a little scene, but you have like a little burial ceremony or something. Yeah, you have Captain Chad be celebrating his victory and then be like, however, today is, you know, we it's not like we've had a great loss regardless of this. Yeah, victory. This victory comes at a cost, that sort of thing. It's not that any character forgets about him. It's that the movie forgets about him. Clearly. Therefore, everyone in the movie forgets. I would have put more weight into Nauru's failure as well to acknowledge this could be you. Dude, you could have the fucking mother of that guy be like, what where were you? Why didn't you like how did he die and you made it? What what what happened? Did you run? It's just like I probably could stand up for her and say she fought him and heard it, but it just what you know, she she fell, not got knocked out of commission. You could have a scene where maybe they're maybe because they value her as a hunter so little, they don't even think about her being in the party. Like, Tabe, how could you have let this happen? You know, you're the you're the one that in charge there could be different ways to look at this. We caught narrative juice to be there, but it unfortunately is forgotten by the writer, which is a really common issue. It almost makes me feel like we try and intertwine some sort of bits of advice as we go through judging any kind of writing in any movie. But that does seem to be a big one. It's like, don't forget stuff like this. Yes, it adds a great deal of weight to hunting in a Kutomya. And this is what could happen to you. Like this is dangerous business. You're not hunting deer in the woods. Apex sliding around. That's all that's all fun. We love to do that. We do it often. If you die, everyone's just going to move on and forget about you. Yeah, it's just don't do a Kutomya. It's just they do a sequel. They tried like cover this up. I'd be like, oh, no, that's how we just deal with death. That's none of us acknowledge the person. That's what's that. Haha. No, things are great. That's not invented yet. It's beneficial to try it if none of us acknowledge death. Yeah, weakness of the film. Definitely an issue. We didn't like to see it, but it doesn't. It luckily it's not something we shoulder on a individual character. It's just a movie forgot about Parker. That sucks. They shouldn't forget, but apparently they did. They did lame sauce. So everyone gets what I assume to be totally smashed. Hell, yeah. And the next morning, it is the same as it ever was. We she wakes up the same people walk past her. She gets her bag, leaves the teepee. Tave still he's still snoozing, you know, and she goes out and she's like, you know what, fuck this. If she says, if they don't see, I'll show them. So she grabs her gear and she sets off to go and hunt this thing. And doesn't. Yeah, that's what happens. Here you go. It might be the one time it was just nothing else to say. That is what happens. She's walking like in the through everyone else as they're all doing the commute to work. She's walking through them. The exact opposite direction is pushing through her whole tribe to do what she must. She it's yeah, the sorry goes with her and she just sets off goes and does it. Definitely like she's going to break this. She could like not literally pushing. She's moving out of the way. She's not shoving them out of the way. She's like a huge board of people. Fuck out of my way. Get the fuck out of my way. Got someone's left on their moccasins wrong or something. I don't know. She I think you have that moment where she gets out of the tent and everything's just like it always is every single day and she she's like, oh, should I do this? I could just carry on. But she's like, no, I'm going to go hunt. So she makes a decision off. She goes and then we get nature shots. We get her walking across the wilderness. Lots of different scenes of the terrain and the forest and a lot of variety in the topography that we see. It's hard to tell how long she goes or how far she goes. She just she goes. She goes off and travels go. She happens upon some bright green predator blood, which sure is a coincidence. She she's out here walking. As far as I know, she's not tracking. She's just kind of going out looking for something and she happens across the the blood of the predator, which is bright green and the same footprint next to it, which is which is quite a coincidence. I think that she just is able to pick it up and it isn't you know. Again, is it to try and tell us that she's on its trail, which doesn't really I don't think she had a trail to begin with the first thing she notices. We know from how this movie goes. She's not on its trail. Anyway, it's on who's. So, mm-hmm. Yeah, I don't know. She just goes across it. Yeah, I don't know. I just need some blurred and she does take a stick. She measures the footprint with a stick and this is this is a real thing is one of the things we learned in search and rescue. In fact, was how to determine like the you could determine the speed that a person's generally moving by the distance between their steps. You can use the foot size to get a decent estimate of how big they are things like that. Could you with a stick determine whether they like the Star Wars? Get that out of the way. We need to know this is an alien from space. So I would imagine it would be quite insulted. He'd be like, what is this bullshit? None of him. Do you think this is what space is like? Fuck no. Palpatine it coming back. That's ridiculous. I want to get the Predators opinion on Star Wars. Maybe one day. Let me see. So we have a scene here. Another predator scene of a wolf chasing and catching a rabbit and the predator watches in Hito vision and he gets into a fight with his wolf and he takes the wolf's trophy does the old spine skull thing. Another one of those scenes that I think we could have cut this way short where we have it watching the wolf stalk the rabbit. And that's kind of all you really need without this. Oh, there he is. He's fighting the wolf and he stabbed it. Also this and now he's a conversation we had now as well about what this predator is up to and it's like it looks like it really is because was it meta information? I remember you mentioned it. Yeah, they want us to believe this is the first predator to enter Earth. I believe that that's yeah. That's how it's been presented. This is the first time and I think that's a mistake. I don't like it's meta information in the sense that the movie doesn't say anything. Yeah, I don't think they're mine. Yeah, I can absolutely change their mind. And that is lame. Why would you say that? Is it just to be like, oh, you're going to see this movie now. That's the tipping point where you aren't going to see it before. But now that you know it's the first predator, you'll come and see the movie. I assume the point for that was to do with this. See the predator hunting dinosaurs. Yeah, that's like it's learning about Earth creatures. Yeah, it's like I'm I'm the pioneer. None of the predators know anything about this planet. Let's fight. Let's go see who's the top dog and fucking kill them. So ants definitely are not ants. A low and it's got a little notepad. It's low and it marks the line. I don't know then it has rat slightly higher. I got to leave some space in between them just in case their critters in between that line I missed. And then snake is oh, we're going to a lot of space for the snake. Lots of there's a snake up here. Oh, and then there's me. I'm going to put me in a smiley face. It's like it's not really the only item. So some people saying that goes against AVP's law and it's like guys. Can we fuck AVP's? Okay. So the question, genuine question for you in chat. If something went against the predator's law, would you say anything about that? Like and so you like so why are you giving AVP all this room? I thought we all was an autistic at all. I don't want to have to collect the spine of this wolf so it could use those juices to make those predator dogs later. So that's the thing. AVP. I thought that all the predator fans considered that non-canon. Yeah, so do I. I didn't realize that we respected what AVP set up, but it was predators farming aliens to be killed on a temple every however many years on earth. That shit was weird as hell. I don't know why we're. You want that to be canon? I don't know. I there's stuff in that movie you could have joined everything, but I feel like if we if we've got to pick prey being canon or AVP. I don't know. I feel like a choice pretty easy and I'm just going to say that if ever there was a sequel, we can fucking ignore that rule that this is the first predator here. Okay. We don't need to whatever. You don't need to have that rule. Yeah. You don't want to write off all the things that happened before 1719. And you know what? Cool shit people would want to see. If someone said like in an interview like, well, what do you have to say about the other director that said this? I'm like, oh, I agree with him. I'm pretty sure he meant that this is the first of this kind of predator. We've been loads of predators before this one. Just not this kind. Okay. Yeah, we're all good. You've got a lot of wiggle room. There's all kinds of different because this as we discover it later, the predator looks different than the one. I think we see before is a different kind and it's been hundreds of years about it's exact. Physiology physiology. Now I was I kind of assumed it was more like a super predator. A lot of people called me out on that saying, no, I'm not stupid, but looking at it still, I'm like, no, but that's got a it's it's head. It just forward a lot. Um, you talk about the the lads from predators, right? Those. Yeah. Yeah, the the one from the predator is the upgrade predator. Fuck that. No, we're good. Get rid of that. See, I'm even willing to accept the predators as can. I'm like, I'll take that. Sure. But I, I'm letting the predator and I'm certainly not let me pee too. I don't think we should allow it if you want. Let's just keep it nice and okay. Because yeah, I think we can all look well. Maybe we should say this conversation for a little bit later, but as to the nature of this predator, it seems as though it's pretty inexperienced at least with earth. I mean, we can go further with how inexperienced we believe it to be, even from the fact that it took damage from this wolf. That to me was, you know, thinking about it because I've seen so many reactions to that. I've seen all of them. Some people say like, I was so awesome when that happened. Some people are like, how dumb is this predator to have fucking been hurt by a wolf? Um, you know, I don't know. It's, it's like it's complicated, right? She doesn't know exactly what he's dealing with with this thing. Uh, but, but at the same time, maybe it should never be able to be a predator because he's so OP. I don't know. What do you guys think about that? He caught the snake before the snake could finish its strike and it's like strike is pretty fast. Yeah. But you know, a wolf is quite literally a different creature doesn't observing a wolf hunting a rabbit doesn't exactly say how a wolf would fight a predator. And this predator does understand that it is an extremely resilient creature. Predators can take a pounding and be okay. Like they are very resilient to damage and it probably is like, I, I, that thing is not going to be able to kill me probably. So it's, I don't have to be like at the super, super top of my, my ultimate game. Like I have to fight more than I've ever fought before. It probably knows it has some wiggle room and it wants to almost just like, you know, like it, like it's almost inviting it to hit him. Like if it hits, if it bites him, it's okay. You know, it's, it's not like I'll die or even really get injured much because I know how resilient I am. I think the scene just wants us to think the wolf did it so fast that the predator did not deal with it. I think that's it. Yeah, maybe. Um, and that's just, that's going to be on everybody individually if they find that to be acceptable or not. I think we can put it on a big list that ends up concluding something about this predator and I'm not saying that in a way that's complimentary to the film. It is. Yeah. Um, we can get to that later when it comes to its head later on, but we have this progression already. We have a snake and we have a wolf. Hmm. All right. We're moving up in the food chain, so to speak. Um, let's see the next scene cuts to Nauru failing to hit a rabbit with a tomahawk. She misses rabbits there. She throws a tomahawk. It gets away just in time and she throws at another rabbit and she misses and she has to go and retrieve her tomahawk again. And so she gets an idea. She devises a essentially like a bark string rope to pull back the tomahawk and catch it so that she didn't have she doesn't have to retrieve the tomahawk every time she throws it and she spends some time practicing with that a little bit. She never messed up the catch part on that. It's yeah. So this is that came to my mind for the catching of you pulled it. This is a tomahawk flying through the air now towards you and you're able to grab it by the shaft every time without work because you want to avoid taking injuries. Of course. Yeah. That and I think the normal way you show her improving. Yeah, that's right away. It's it's one of those like it's one of those weird things about the movie where the movie says you know she's trying to be creative in order to make up for a shortcoming and she see she does practice with it. You know she's not just fun with her being creative about it like I'm fine with her making this and I'm fine with her using it. I just think it would have been cooler if we saw her like getting better at it instead of just nailing it straight away. Yeah, pull it back and whack herself in the phone because this time is hard. It's this seems really hard like well it's gonna it's it's gonna change the whole behavior of your acts exactly how this like because of course we see that she's pretty good at using her acts but it's different now like you've very different and something very different which that's cool is like a thing to give you an edge like a new way to use it. It's just like god damn you got good at this really quick. We'll see you better. Yeah, we'll stick to the end to round this out because there's as she's practicing with her tomahawk or whatever. She notices that there's just a rabbit sitting there three inches away and it's just hanging out and I'm like no that rabbit would have fucked off. That's true and then we see her with a whole bunch of rabbits on her back that she's killed like this thing is what made the difference which I don't believe. Yeah, same. Yeah, I think I'm going to be a little harsher on this so I actually feel like this is overcompensation for the matter of female characters being written. So I think that there's an awareness at least to some degree that we would we don't want to have it be that she's amazing with this thing. So we need to show her training with it and they all agreed and they were like we did it. There's the scene. It's like yeah, it's done. You did that really like you have you didn't think about what people want when they want to see the character train which is that we need to see them being bad at it and then better and better not amazing at it the whole time like you almost did it guys. You were almost there that you Yeah, you were right there. Yeah, there's all you needed a lot of places. What you needed was the part where she does it. She pulls it back. It's flying right at her face and she ducks is like, you know, like before he decapitates her need to have a training panel with Tomahawk. Um, you don't even need because I she seems to be pretty good at throwing. I was going to say when it's a tree, she's really good. I guess what's on it. It's on critters. She's not nearly the head of the axe is given to her by her dad, right? Is and yes, the mom says like the whole reason you have that is to help you with you know, harvesting vegetables, flowers, whatever, not for hunting. And it's like, yeah, well, you know, so it's like I'm willing to believe that because of the nature of her upbringing that she's actually familiar with throwing the axe. The problem I have here is that she should have no familiarity with fucking catching it. Absolutely. Yeah, it's catching it. Exactly. I couldn't. There's no natural way for it to be familiar in terms of dexterity with the catch and everything. Nobody would do this if you had it on a string. You'd pull it back, but you wouldn't like try to pull it back so that you catch it out of the air. I was actually going to ask about that. Super dangerous. Surely the reason why this was a surprise at least to me was the fact that surely they didn't do this for a good reason like it didn't work. Well, well, yeah, because they obviously I was just about to mention that when you throw an axe in a certain direction you throw it by the shaft. So the shaft is spinning towards the target right as it's moving. Yep. When you but when you're trying to catch the shaft as it's coming towards you. That's it's almost like you have to catch it like backhanded or you have to catch it on the top. You have to I guess just you think about the number of variables. I thought I thought you were going to say like so when you when the axe throws and it's spinning as it goes for this target isn't the rope attached we're going to fuck that up. At least it will change its trajectory. It's added weight. Yeah. Yes. There's a lot of things to write the the leverage the rope has in general is just going to weigh the axe in a particular way. And then you've got the fact that if it spins in the right direction it could catch itself on the rope. Could it not? It goes. Yes. And so you'd have to it would be like you would have to know if you were trying to catch this thing that you have to put your hand above it so that the shaft is coming towards you as you grab it. But she because if you're going to catch on the bottom you'd have to like reach and backhand it's it's really not you see I would imagine that you we made a lot more complicated because I now I'm not sure how true this is but I remember back in you remember Mortal Warfare 2 there was like the throwing knife and then they had the tumblehawk and black ops and how like I remember at the time something I heard was that the way that it is with throwing knives is it has to do with the way that like the the hilt is balanced and like where you throw it from like that you need to throw it in a certain way to make sure that it's going to actually like the sharp end is going to hit the target rather than the the the hilt. Yeah, but I imagine like pulling it back it's like you now added a lot more variables onto an already difficult task. Like Jesus man like this. This is probably making a lot harder to use. I don't know anything general. Yeah, super nitpicky. I'm not even sure how long that rope will last. How many times you throw that and pull it that it's going to last before it just is and breaks. Yeah, I'm pretty skeptical of the rope strength. We'll see the rope strength come into play soon. Yeah, I'm trying to make clear I am skeptical of every single element of this thing. Like I I know yeah actually but because the rabbits are alive because you missed them. Yeah, and when you miss them you go for the rabbit runs in the same direction you're running to retrieve your tomahawk anyway. What do you save by being able to pull it back like faster if the rabbit's bolting like it this doesn't you'd be chasing awkward anyway, right? So like you be heading towards your axe with tomahawk. Also, yeah, Shad should totally make a video. Now you have a maximum length that's a lot shorter. That's true. It is a lot shorter. Yeah. This is portrayed as a weapon where once she adds the rope to it it changes everything and now she's way better at catching rabbits. Because when I just don't believe that that would be the case like you need to practice on throwing and aiming seems to be the issue when you miss your shots. When we were watching it I said that it reminded me of Kratos but the thing is Kratos is it's magic. He pulls it back with magic magic. It's not attached apparently was actually inspired by God of War. Someone told me yesterday. Really? I was wondering if it was inspired by Scorpion with his like hook thing. You know I mean since I'm super familiar with both I my brain went straight to God of War before model Oh, same because I was thinking that too which is actually right because because we see you see that weird shield later on that's like straight out of God of War 2018 as well. So the recent Yeah, that's true. I just want to rest I can see that's true. Magic. They're magic. Yeah, they're like weapons. Absolutely. Yeah. In Greek mythos. There's no strings attached. Magic. Well, no, they're no strings attached. They're chains. You fool. I thought I'm talking about God of War 2018 deferred the axe you have Leviathan axe. Oh, right. Right. Yeah. Now that's not smart. That's an axe. What do you mean? It's so smart. This is a tomahawk. That's an axe. It's not so smart. I said. Oh, all right. Look, it's getting very confusing at all. I thought it was a tomahawk in God of War. What is it? I thought it was the Leviathan axe. Yeah, it's an axe. He throws it. I don't even know. I thought there's a difference between the tomahawk. I'm going to be honest. Oh, it is. I thought the axe was the umbrella term and just tomahawk was like a subset. Oh, sure. But I mean, there's a difference between like a longsword and like a like, you know what I mean? Like it's still they're different. Well, yeah, but you wouldn't say a longsword not a sword. Right? Oh, no, I wouldn't. But I was saying that this is a tomahawk and that's like a big old axe like a chungus axe. Well, that's why the whatever difference like I'm sure they're different axes in build. I just mean that that's why I believe that the inspiration idea is probably true. But I haven't got a quote or anything. Um, me. It just I'm amused by the idea of how impractical this thing would be and that they modeled it after a game that's using magic to make it work. That's just kind of funny. Well, I work this strong guy who can throw millions of miles. Well, the thing I was just thinking like how maybe she could have stolen it for. No, let's just let's just know. I'm trying to think of all the playoffs they get with this and I was thinking it's like, oh, there's kind of a few actually. Yeah, yeah, it has a bunch. So do you throw tomahawks because like I because I remember this is where because all I have reference to a lot of the time is from video games because in Assassin's Creed 3 Connor uses a tomahawk. But I don't think he throws it at people. He just uses it. I think it's no weapon. But then in black ops they throw tomahawks so I guess sometimes. Yeah. So there are they can be used as tomahawks. I think generally you're going to want to keep it. You don't want to throw your weapon at the enemy but you can. There's like they're you could they're like to have competitions and stuff with them. Well, people are saying they can be that's so that seems like the right answer. They can be but not this. Okay. Yeah. The more you know they can be. Yeah. Wait, so was it tomahawks throwing it? Sorry. Does tomahawk mean throwing eggs? Does that is that what it means when we get it right? I am so familiar with I have the chat when I ask a question I am legitimately looking for the answer. It's okay. Like I I'm curious. The etymology comes from the palhattan tomahawk derived from the proto Algonquin route Temma to cut off by tool. Algonquin cognates include all of which mean axe. So it's like an axe for cutting things. Like it's a cutting tool axe sort of thing. Yeah. So it's general Wikipedia says it's a general purpose tool. Yes. Yeah. Okay. It is definitely general purpose. Tomahawk is a cool name for a weapon as well. It is. It's fucking awesome. Someone said it was made by Thomas Hawkins. That's that's why it's cool. That makes sense. So there we go. Tony Hawk so we made it. So we got our we got our cool weapon. Very cool weapon right now. She's very with it. It lets her kill all the rabbits. I was just going to put it this way. We're actually let's pretend as we do when we do these things that we're watching the movie in real time and that we haven't even seen one before. We break the rules on that sometimes but let's pretend for a moment. I would then be saying man this thing breaks all the rules. I really hope it doesn't provide us several important payoffs in this film. That would be unfortunate. Of course it does. We put a lot of emphasis on it. It's well so the response would that be why would they spend this whole seat on this thing if it wasn't going to be exactly like true. We have a scene where she cooks the rabbits and she's with dog and they're hanging out and not really anything else happens. She says you have to cook next time dog and the dog's like I I I don't know man I do what you do I'll do what I'll do we've got this understanding I've done my job you've done yours. Why'd you have to make this a woman? Yeah. Yeah, you got your fancy new fancy new Tomahawk thing anyway I you could got all those rabbits you don't yeah with my dog Tomahawk huh then when do I get that all that time you spend not missing rabbits you could spend cooking or something I don't know so we get our predator skull scene yes he spray because in in this he has a sort of it's like a flesh dissolving spray that he puts all over a skull or over a head and then it melts away all of the flesh and stuff and it leaves only the skull behind yes and he takes that skull and he puts it on a skull rack he's got his little like a little his little backpack his little trophy and so yeah so that's that's how they that's how he does it I think one could if you want to get super hyper like predator to he has like cutting tools and then like a suction thing to get rid of the I guess blood and flash water the brains and stuff and this seems way more efficient and I wonder if there there's probably a predator fan out there who's like you shouldn't have had the more advanced thing earlier they should go around I think it's just different factions of predators I think it's I've that's what I take away not all predators do things the same way it's just they have a general common throughline I can believe they have no multiple ways of doing it and they have different preferences predators will have different cultures and they'll have different ways of doing things and different rules for hunting and the way that they they have different but similar but different honor systems that they try to keep to maybe you do it based on the value of the quote trophy to maybe you save the best kind of cleaning process for the best trophies meanwhile if it's like this wolf was kind of easy I'll just give it the standard yeah this is just a wild animal you know it's not like a warrior that fights you know like a sentient warrior someone said that's very forgiving for you Rags what do you mean? I don't think so I think it's totally fair I genuinely like you know how when you see people restoring things or working on that there's so many different ways you can do it and so much care that can be put in not put in I'm willing to believe it but what um is interesting like the the trophy cleaning scene in Predator 2 but the Predator had their whole ship there they're just kind of hanging out and had all there to this is in the field yeah I get a good shine on it that's nice in the first Predator the skull cleaning scene well it happened much later in it of course because that was when the Predator was really out and about you didn't see too much but there was a sort of mist going on during the skull cleaning yeah yeah I like I said I'm not bothered by this at all whatever you want I'm not bothered to abide in a way I kind of think it's it does make me wonder why it doesn't just use that stuff as a weapon um like well I was we could talk about that as well as a big old subject I don't know because I've seen lots of discussion should we wait until he deploys other weapons or can we do it now um so once we'll see his entire arsenal in about another 30 minutes the film isn't it because there's quite a few like like that yeah um I suppose it's probably worthwhile to wait for all of them to come out otherwise we will literally repeat the conversation several times the question of course being how does fairness work with a predator until we got a little layer on there Alrighty that that that that so he hears sorry's bark in the distance so that's what alerts him that they are around it's her bark and he can't I know I I'm not a big predator guy so you'll have to I wrote this down because I didn't know if it is an issue or not can the predator turn invisible without pressing a button because he just he's just standing there and then he turns invisible he does there's no several times in this film I'm pretty sure there's there's no one that I can remember for a very specific reason that annoys me though I think it's consistent in this film that he's able to do that but I can't remember I really can't remember my references for the other films if he ever had as he always had to press a button before going invisible I think these I don't typically do believe me has saw the predator for a bit in the first one a swinging around the tree starts invisible he just turns visible there and then comes back into invisible the whole time he's just got his right arm on the tree hanging his left arm down and he's just looking at the other character I thought that was just a matter of the the invisibility cloak like litched for a second I thought that's what that was rather than intuning I don't I don't think it was a glitch at that point well he only comes off though this one in this in this film it does seem to be waterproof strangely yeah I thought that was interesting considering they were always not waterproof in all the ones it's water oh yeah it's really water-resistant yeah they didn't get a little sparks or any kind of interference from the water which is why well when he walks you never know with these this will show up in a second but it's it's not like waterproof it seems to be just it sort of resists water because there is some distortion when he's walking through the water I never know if they're trying to tell me something without saying it overtly or if it's just they're just doing their own thing I don't know if they're like you know how the predator one and predator two like they look very they look very similar in how they did it versus this one and the one that looks like in predators and you're like is that because you're trying to say that they are different kinds of shields being used or is it just a matter of the special effects been updated and this is now canon for water invisibility and this counts for one and two very um how do I put this it's like a silhouette of a man but with three like there's like a real ripple of that yeah like distortion lines yeah they always do that I know what you mean if you were to do that in the mod movies I think it would look a little strange but I think you could do that but they've obviously chosen not to and they've got these like I think they're like little hexagons that sort of yeah because in the future everything is hexagons and so you know are you telling are we are we saying no they always looked like that we're just updating the the tech with special effects like it's hard to say or you're saying this is a different type of field oh it's because if this was if this was the kind of movie that you would make back in like maybe nineteen fifty three right as like a monster movie you wouldn't have a distortion effect it would just be props and floating objects or something like that you wouldn't act you there would literally be nothing there and it would just be a bit theater of the mind D I I think maybe the best way to do it is that as technology gets better you show it in better and better ways so to speak but people generally have a similar reaction to it where they could only really notice it if they're looking for it so that there's not any well how come these predators that to do so you like so you're not unfair to the old ones in a way so I think as long as you have this concept of you could have it be in a like like the lingering shot that Fringy was mentioned mentioning having it actually be there in Canon so to speak but there's no actual effect applied on screen is fine because there's no one there to really witness it anyway but if someone's looking out for it specifically and they're being very very careful and they have a general idea of where it is they might be able to see it might be the way to go or maybe they're just inconsistent invisibilities they're not maybe they just don't don't all work the same this is kind of where I was what I was trying to get out with the start of this was just I don't know if the difference between the movie telling me this is a different kind of thing or no we're just updating the special effects as long as they're not standing in knee high smoke I think that's the thing that we need to make sure that doesn't happen Oh those effects were great No I'm totally fine with saying they're they're different predators have different kinds of invisibilities they have different cultures different groups different technologies they're not all the same was the thing the fact that it managed to maintain while in water it feels to me like a very overt way of being like this is different than the ones you're familiar with or rather different than the predator one and two ones I'd have to go check all my references yeah sure that that walking through a stream without keep trying even trying to keep her feet dry I don't know I don't know if that's I just wrote it because it came into mind is like oh should you be jumping over it or maybe stepping on some stones so that you don't get your feet all wet but she just nonchalantly walks through the just fair you really don't want wet footwear that sucks yeah sweet I feel like that would wear out your stuff more spell that with an A almost been watching the movie a whole herd of buffalo that are skinned and left out in the open she goes up to one of them and she's obviously this is very disturbing to her it's very crazy she finds a cigar a metal chain like the one from the trap earlier she says a prayer for one of the dead animals and leaves an herb on the top of the body a piece of a plant and sort of say like the little one more detail that is eagle I and maybe not eagle eyed viewers but you'll spot that's kind of curious I think I don't think we spotted this first time around but seems to be about a bullet shaped hole in the Oh yeah okay yeah thanks for mentioning that to me I think we mentioned that on our first did we not make yeah right in the forehead did we not mention that on our first surely we did because it's very prominent I can't remember if we did or not but I'm just saying that is there I think yeah it is it is there absolutely so that happens and then we return to our stream that she walk through we see the predator he's invisible he's jumping from tree to tree leaping from tree to tree and he jumps down into the stream alright that's where I was trying to stay undetected but he picks up her he he notices the dog's tracks because he's on these these these he's following them he heard the bark and he's these the tracks he is he is following them yeah like it's his invisibility it does really well with water like is frazzling little but handles it well and that's pretty well I'd buy that one I would to the this is where we encounter her at the mud pit yes we have her at the mud pit I hope you guys like mud going to summarize the event up to the payoff rather can wash up what where am I looking for up to the I will we can conclusion and then we can talk about it we can do scene by scene because it shows up in bits there's it because there's a little bit of an interruption here oh okay let me scroll and okay is walking around suddenly steps into essentially what's quick sand mud it's very very very very runny mud and she's up to her far is up to almost up to her arms in this mud she instantly sinks down and very intelligently since she just stepped into this mud suddenly like it was just a drop off of mud she she starts trying to go forward and through it instead of just instantly I was leaving the way she came so that's dumb it's so weird because like I didn't think about that all first time around but second time around I was like wait same the fucking floor was right behind you bitch what are you doing like literally one step and you're in it now so I don't just go back where you came I did not catch that even on my second plate watch through that oh man that's really stupid yeah though so you season that she's in the mud she she probably should have chosen a direction a little bit more wisely but this scene is cut because we have the predator who is following her he has found the slain animals all the buffalo he finds the cigar he checks out the cigar he notices the chain and he notices the herb that she has placed on top of the animal in fact he takes a particular interest in this little thing that she's placed on top so I have to scroll to the left and then down because I write my notes in columns of two so we return to the mud pit Nauru tries and fails to use the tomahawk a few times with a string to pull herself out and luckily every time she throws it she shifts and she sinks deeper into the mud but with her final throw what will probably be her final throw she is able to hook a nearby tree tree that has fallen over and the roots and stuff and that rope is thankfully strong enough that she can pull herself out of this mud which using that tomahawk so how do we know about that? I don't believe you I don't know that she would it's funny because there's something worse than this happens in the same vein later that we can talk about but I I don't believe she has the power to do that yeah that is fucking hard to pull yourself through all of that she she's sunk in deep by now so that's a lot of power you need I'm I'm finding her being able to pull herself out I think the mud is soft enough in fact that's the problem with the mud is that it's soft enough it's like it's not solid or else you could pull yourself out I don't like if it was ground or sand I don't think she could pull herself out but I think as long as she has something that can she can it's it's thick but it's not so solid that because you just think you sink kind of down into it where it really gets thick at the bottom so because of that she's able to pull herself that works as a little bit of a medium so I'm fine I'm fine with her pulling yourself out and she's certainly fit so I that's not my issue the my issue is the how insanely strong the the thing is that I can support her tugging it like that with her pulling herself out the tomahawk and the road but yeah hmm she did she did a really quality job and she found some very very durable materials was it that would be more difficult than sand and someone else said mud is worse because it's wet probably with quick yeah I can absolutely believe it mud sand is like just sand stacked on top of it and mud is it's got all the water mixed in and it's just some like that's true yeah that's true I guess it depends on her technique so to speak but yeah that is true the suction would definitely we had some we have all sorts of lakes around here little ones and there would be times where they would drain these lakes in order to do like pipe maintenance and things like that so we're talking like like a lake and it's drained essentially all the way the bottom and it leaves behind mud and that mud is like you step in it and it'll go up to your knee and so there's like an audible noise of air when you lift your foot up and it like you're really a suction that you have to fight with that um all sorts of strange things get thrown into lakes you notice uh but I guess on the topic of you conclude on so you talk about the rope strength as well just that's my biggest issue is is this thing that durable well so I'll get a good shot of this over and what do you think it looks pretty done thin does I mean ropes can be pretty strong even though thin but this is made out of like these wood pieces right yeah like bark bark yeah probably take bark and you'll spin the bark around um like if it was if this was an artificial material like nylons and stuff absolutely no problem at all a paracord stuff like that but this is yeah yeah natural materials like this that you've made ugh it's it's a stretch these are things that you have to replace there there was that little iron trap she found what if we just did not happen to see the scene whereas she was eating her rabbits by the campfire she's smelted it down and wove it into this like core of that rope and it is it is reinforced it's a metal it's a metal and I infused it with the chains why not I think that would have solved the whole thing father was a prize yeah I got nothing yeah and I it's a you know though she's probably should have been but that's fine she's made it I what I expected her to do is to do something along the lines of like because when you're in quicksand do you want to get yourself flat and you don't want to struggle and you just want to kind of lean so that you're not pointing straight down and then you could sort of wriggle your way to the edge and I was expecting that when she first went into the mud like there's this don't panic moment fine just don't wriggle around and move lean yourself back it's something like that because I'm a good faith audience member I am going to assume her lack of panic is because she's experienced enough to know how she should behave in the situation as opposed to the actress not properly representing what they wanted from the character however if this is how she's supposed to act in a situation she didn't have this tool until today through yeah so she would have been dead she would have killed herself yeah because she could have escaped just went backwards and hmm not good so great not great she pulls herself out she learned something from from this I suppose yeah yeah you can say that potentials are yeah don't fall into the mud yeah watch where you just just reincorporation just not fantastic to see we will get there yeah however there is one good element of this scene that I actually do like and that is the subversion of being covered in mud in a Predator movie that was really weird to me on on open bar as was saying like I would been way better if the Predator turned up right after she did that and couldn't see it so that's it and I was just like no that's that's the obvious like that's yeah they'd show the Predator the last obvious thing the Predator what would the Predator do is like oh I found her it's it's that chick will slide like what are you doing narratively with that well I think as a suggestion is that that's just a good time for it to be able to learn that put in muddle over if self would but I was just like oh I think that's what they knew that's what you thought and they were like that's why when it just one cuts to her cleaning herself the film is like nah you thought but no no I I think this is a yeah I think this is a good subversion we were we were saying this when we were watching it's like oh is this going to be the mud thing and then the next scene she does what every normal person would do and she's by a stream cleaning herself off and her equipment off was like yep that's what she'd do well and I think if you remember when we were watching it we were like are they going to go that way but we were also like well her face isn't going to be covering so that wouldn't work so so so like you know before it shows us that she's cleaned herself we were even like nah that's not doing that it's doing something else so before we enter the next scene I'm going to pee so I'll be back in a moment I'm going to also refill my beverage well funnily enough now he does that at this point this is the 40 to 41 minute mark which is what you'll find most people online have been saying everything's boring up until 40 minutes so I mean this is kind of what I was just getting out I don't I don't very mad I don't mind this stuff at all I don't find this boring I mean as long as it's likewise well-executed which by the way you've been seen us throwing a lot of criticisms here so not saying that necessarily is but when you know I'm just watching people do their thing I'm learning about them and stuff I need all this stuff to care when her life is threatened you know yep you know what she's good at what she's bad at who is why she's doing well we spend the first part of the movie that's the time when you establish things that you're going to be using later in the story you establish you know plot critical items and whatnot character motivations um strengths and weaknesses this is the time to do it like I was I was it was novel for me oh so nice to spend so much time with one person it really is novel isn't as well as a film that doesn't have that much dialogue either yeah you know especially when you look at like a lot of um I guess mainstream like superhero like I can't not with you know I just want to make sure people can get upset quickly about stuff he was over like it's fine that you felt bored I just uh there's nothing I can do to help but don't say that like when I don't know it's just if you were bored that's one thing but don't don't then extrapolate that to film shit because I was bored it's like it's got to be better than that because if somebody says I wasn't that's the end of the conversation literally on the subreddit I think someone said like one of the criticisms of pray and someone said this hour is boring and then someone else said this is the fucking if have bowl of subreddit you can't just describe something as boring like that's it it's like yeah is not good enough I mean boring just to make sure nobody misunderstands boring is good enough for you it's just that it doesn't for you doesn't help anyone else and figure anything out like you know if I had let's just say we all made this movie right and someone said it's boring we'd be like okay but I can't that doesn't help me change anything I need to know what exactly yeah you know what was the problem and if you explain like well I wanted more action then it's like oh well that's kind of more of a preference of that point isn't it this is weak storytelling you guys are so excited over the most basic of screenplays like screenplay one one stuff I thought I feel like we've levied a fair amount of criticisms at the film yeah I am back I would have thought if anything people would conclude we've been harsh to the film so far but I guess not yeah I mean we already found you guys already show me more things that I didn't even notice yet so like as for things that would be described as relatively basic and straightforward it's like okay but is it dysfunctional yeah we do celebrate well in fact I would I would want to make sure so many people do it wrong these days yeah like we this is something that I think I've mentioned on the open bar but like when you're in a landscape where you've got like these movies coming out that are so thoroughly deficient like so utterly deficient that there's nothing to latch onto at all like yeah when I look at something that's doing relatively basic story stuff okay-ish it's like yeah something 101 stuff in all the stuff we've been covering recently exactly I would even say this movie has failed a couple of 101 things a couple of 101 things sure the guy who everyone just seems to think doesn't matter at all who died it's like that's well lack of it lack of acknowledgement of of character deaths yeah that's that's a problem of will are unfortunately persisting the film if in his speech he mentioned that and then the whole crowd you know go a little bit quieter and appreciate it and then you even have the mother morning something we probably would have appreciated that that's what I would I'd be like well it's good oh well because without it you fucking destroy every movie you should search for better stuff than prey it just came out that's why we're talking about it I mean I'm a big predator fan we expected this would have coverage loads of things that are so man but first of all you're going really easy on it no I don't think anybody here said that either but the the last one hurt me yeah definitely definitely improvement over fucking the predator Jesus that movie is terrible yeah I I don't know I think we've been pretty fair so far I think so the weirdest part I guess for me is that if you thought that after everything we've said that we were describing this film was great I don't know what you've got that from yeah not so you never ever did that yeah I just sometimes feels like that'll happen where we'll have a conversation about a film and it's like yeah so it's like a four it's like whoa you made it sound like it was way better than that it's like I don't know man did we know didn't that happen with the really late squad everyone was like a well we had several people were annoyed how much we were praising it and then those very people gave it the same score we did we were like wait a minute that's awkward huh wait a second that's job better you whore sure anyway yeah we never we never described this movie is great or incredible or amazing as far as I know first right out of the day I definitely like this film I simultaneously think it's over hated and over praised yeah I think so it seems like it's this is very much a case of it's been a while since we've had a nice like decent very average movie you know like it's truly yeah it seems like in this case it's very it's very polarized either people think the film is awful or they think it's incredible and I think none of both perspective seem wrong to me you know I've made somewhere in the middle I reckon I've made chat think about that now we will not reveal until we get to the credits what each of us give it as a number alright but you're welcome to speculate until we get to that we will get to that well be honest with you half this is exactly half the reason is because I'm not sure what I would give it until I hear at all the good and bad from everybody here you know this is the part of the process isn't it we figure in it out and chatting about it yeah and we brought Decker because he told us before we began that this was his favorite movie of all time yeah and so we wanted to really you can't walk it back man so don't run away from that talk run away yeah it's fine to have that opinion so that it was better than the original and I just I just don't know that no that's nice nice pink moller but also by the way I guess look we were talking about the predator so this is related Shane Black's Iron Man three why is this video of the Air Force one thing why is it getting so much traction on Twitter of like when Iron Man was saving the people falling out of the sky why are so many people saying this is cool stupid it will about I guess they're the same people that thought like that all the face for really good maybe like all of us cannot it's the Air Force one gets attacked and then a bunch of people fall out of the plane and then Iron Man flies out and basically has to try and grab Jarvis tells me can only say four people but he saves everybody he like flies over to them he electrocutes their hands so that they can't let go of the other people they grab they all ride and they like slow down at the bottom and drop into the water yeah the reason that scene is terrible is because it has one job and that is to maintain mistakes by having momentum be a thing and then it just says no it's not well by the end and then it just decide not to have that be the case yeah right at the end yeah I don't know why that scene would be getting praise especially when what it claims to almost be the beginning of it would have been a way better scene that Iron Man has to like it would have been a way better scene he has to make choices yeah maybe they're just have heroes saving people I could I think that's all that's all that's all that's all that's all that's all there's because it's been so long since we've had a superhero film where like it feels like the superheroes are saving people rather than just fighting bad guys thanks Zach is is so to just people who find pray better than predator are wrong I don't actually believe there is a single person on the planet who thinks praise predator I don't think I don't know is there I think we can be united as a species on this yes this will be the one thing this is our kumbaya moment and kumbaya this will bring the scenes and the sheites together like well the original predator was better than praying yes you speak the truth brother huh no homo so naru yes encounters a bear oh my goodness oh it's a bear it's a big one not a happy little teddy bear he's a chonger he's not a happy bear this is a this is a big old bear and he's he's he's roughed up he's not got all his fur this this bear has seen some shit this multiple world wars and all kinds of stuff this is a veteran bear this is this is one of those MMO bears that you fight this is a you know you want to watch out for this guy now she's snuck up on this bear she's up on a little ridge and she's looking down at a stream where the bear is snacking on a big old bear and he's eating it and she she wants to try and kill it on the spot she decides I'm gonna I don't know that that's what's happening though I had a feeling it was from behind her and she's suddenly if you if I can so when from the bear the bear smells her and she realizes it smells her and she's like oh crap I got to do something so here at the she smelt the bear does smell her and she ducks behind cover and then instead of like hanging out there she then decides to go on the attack okay so we're not sorry I think come on let me please I'm picking you okay cause like I had talking with ass on over bar so yeah what I've said was that he thought it was dumb as fuck that she's trying to hunt a bear with a bow an arrow that's insane and I I was just watching the scene we were talking about and I was like okay so she turns up she very curiously just keeps an eye on the bear she's kind of I think she's just like oh look at him go he's a bear wind flows in she sees that from the the stuff looks down the bear sniffs it she's doomed the bears gonna find it now no matter what so then she pulls the bone arrow ready I don't even sure she believes she'll kill this bear I think she's just doing that because she literally has no better choice yeah um I I'm happy I didn't even catch the thing with the the the winds to be honest that's just I didn't know the wind but I figured that that was cause it seems like the bad notice something and I figure that we took that is it I quite a sense I wonder if the bear would care she would be there if the bear has food already part of my question I would ask well I I don't I it's it's the fact that there was yeah like I I I can see that yeah I have a lot of questions about this scene I'm not gonna be defending all of it so because the one everybody wants to talk about immediately yeah so all right so just to catch everyone up whether she she readies an arrow to shoot at the bear it either by offensively defensively she readies this arrow and then the bow bow string breaks and so this loud noise this bears bears like oh yeah there's definitely something up there so that here it it sees this now so the bear comes on up to try and get her and she's trying to get her you know her other string onto the bow and she's panicking and when the bear comes on up and is about to get her she's she's saved because the dog kind of jump kind of goes in front of it and the bear chases after the dog instead of getting Nauru yes I'm seeing that maybe because I just I'm not familiar enough with all these animals to know these things but like a lot of people are saying like the bear would never have left its meal yeah that's what I was trying to say yeah yeah but does that should we acknowledge that more I don't know what he he wants to munch on he needs to go again I don't know how true that is if the bear detects a threat would it not do something by the way I think that was so the big old meme that I know is that a grizzly bear with its cubs will like kill you yeah like that but I don't that if but I don't know that this bear it seems like the bears chilling out on its own I think it's just like the misunderstanding with a lot of animals is like they don't just like killing things they just want to eat yeah it's got a big meal right there in front of it that's all energy right once everything is a trade of energy like you're spending energy to go get something that you don't need especially because I don't think that anything praise on bears so it's not like oh things are trying to come and attack me I need to be worried about predators trying to get me I don't think a bear has that sort of mind there's well so but I think I'm bears like to some extent because I thought it was just polar bears that will like explicitly would hunt humans whereas like a lot of other animals despite being predators understanding aware of like humans as a potential threat yeah I that's my understanding yeah I'm gonna have to go with consensus on this because I genuinely have no idea if the bear would care or not I don't know I can believe it would care it would care I wonder if it would care this much yeah I guess is it chasing chasing people away from its food it's like no you're not taking my food this is but I don't know is that is that a dynamic for grizzly bears because I know it is for lions like they have to worry about hyenas yeah often often the opposite in fact but often it's the hyenas have to worry about lions stealing their kills hi I think it's been a bad wrap could have been a bad wrap absolutely do yeah the base may be trying to protect the kill for its own it's probably maybe do something like maybe I don't know but he's like on it you know he's I don't believe I guess what I'm just saying is I don't disbelieve like I don't find it impossible that a bear would attack somebody that was nearby yeah all I need to know is that is that it's a possibility and that's fine with me at that point that's good enough but I don't know if I genuinely don't know next up being the yeah I'm glad to you you brought up the wind because I said the same thing that I said yesterday on my stream actually because I was confused why she even attacked a bear but I didn't catch that whole thing with the with the wind get the distinct impression the film is trying to say to me that she's preparing her weapon because she's terrified the bear may come after her not that makes sense but that contact is absolutely makes sense I absolutely give you that I feel like I would have fucked off you know yeah I think that's the better choice I think I think that's definitely would be better choice to fuck off that's probably what used to me is the fact leave I'd even be happy with the aiming the the bone arrow but moving backward as slowly as she can just ensure yeah I think her her her very aggressive defensive posturing is probably what got me in that mindset instead of oh shit the bear it might be smelling us you need to go we need to leave it's got its meal we need to go especially the way that she like peers over the top and keeps her bow on it and I'm like ah fair enough though ah so we have our we have our Predator in what should be the Predator's introduction but whoa whoa whoa whoa we didn't give jumped ahead we did not get to talk about the dog that's the that's one of the bigger problems that gets mentioned about this movie by everybody is the the bear the dog sucks off the bear goes for the dog instead of her be fucked yeah oh I thought we did the the talk about that no no um so like well so first question of course is again I am not familiar enough with bears so people find this to be absurd so is it I'm assuming it is I don't know yeah no cause I I have I legitimately have no clue what would a bear think in that scenario I don't know I don't know I've seen people say it would go for the bigger and easier prey that it would never get distracted by a dog but then but genuinely if someone had told me oh they always get distracted by animals I don't know I just don't know I am like like all the the Comanche cultural experts that came out of the woodwork I am not going I'm not going to claim to be an Ursologist or whatever a bear scientist is okay I got no idea what a bear would do no clue yeah no clue maybe maybe it would have just been better if the dog had ran out earlier instead of the bear getting that close to her so like he never even saw her he just saw the the dog yeah it needed to be it could work where if the dog is maybe posturing more barking more if it's closer to her instead of it already being right up on her maybe it's more familiar with the possibility of a dog like more like a wolf maybe that's maybe just to clarify so I said who cares like I don't know bad it decides whether or not she's alive so yeah yeah it's just save your life life and death and life this is this is what I mean I just I would appreciate if these things have been gotten right or not I don't know if they have I am interesting to know yeah it seems like welcome to you by the way different feelings about this but more of the they more they more skew generally into the dog would not be able to save her in this scenario by doing that yeah okay that's what I I saw I've seen a lot of people that's one of the bigger complaints I've seen about this whole movie by people online is that if historical accuracy doesn't matter why does animal psychology accuracy matter because you're that's like these are things that exist that are real like right now so like in the same way that if you presented a cat or something and then you showed it jumping 50 feet into the air like it just leaped into the air like super deep behind the a person would look at that and go that does not comport with my understanding of these things so like it's it's inconsistent with things that you understand to be real in the world it's kind of like the nature of speculative of fiction you can establish new rules for things that don't exist yet but like people will have an a general understanding of how strong a person is what a person can do and when you start to deviate from like what a person can do you know like it starts to cause problems just imagine that bear would have just flown away after the dog or something that was literally the example I was going years we had why the points of animal psychology more important than the finer points of history well in this case consequential story why in this scene it's far more relevant compared to how consequential is it that we have chosen to tell a story about a character that may or may not have occurred like at this point in time in history you know like we talk about which one's more consequential narratively I hope the whole point was like the premise was what what if this alien showed up in a world that we understand and can you know that's like the whole thing what if we had our world but we introduced this one extra element to it which is this predator character yeah my argument by the way wouldn't have anything to do with the consequentiality of the actions because that force would involve history at that point we've gone over this probably like two years ago but the way I usually set it out is that fiction is entirely whenever you have a world that's brand new they usually give you a huge lore dump right at the beginning however when you when you start on earth and everything's contemporary they don't because fiction is relying oftentimes on world to understand everything most and let's just go with basic as they don't tell you what humans are in any of these films that as you know that I don't tell you what so like when you have that establishes a baseline that we we know like how basic elements work how this that the other works bears are just like guns at that point when they say like I've got a Glock blah blah rags I don't know guns like Glock is a gun Mauler good job but when they you know they throw they throw that Glock and it explodes at the enemy that just betrays all the information of of that they were relying on by giving you that label though that's when we've we then introduce we usually go over how if you're going to take something from real life but change how it works and you've got to like sign post it so I'll have you know that Glocks are actually very reliable and will most likely not explode exactly true as an owner of free Glocks none of them have exploded on me and so to take the example every time it's like the reason why that's okay is because Hitler does behave exactly as Hitler's psychology and and every stat we know about him would he just didn't make the same choices wasn't on the same pathway because they've invented characters that didn't exist that have different events take place blah blah like which is all still following rules we understand it's just an alternate pathway um you can have alternate path is that this bear you can do all kinds of things but if you're going to rely on us not having any clue what say this was a new predator film is based all on the alien planet it wasn't a bear it was a fluin and it was just this big beastly thing and it did all the same things the bear did but it would be no problem because that's all brand new stuff but to take our knowledge of these guys hunting these creatures in this area and to have us know we see the bear we know what she thinks because we know what a bear is we don't need the the film to explain it to us relying on that information but then betraying it because you need something else to happen yes that's what we that's what we get the problems coming in and I guess that's where I'd go with it when you talk about like with an alien something that is interesting is that of course like it's it's kind of like inevitably gonna happen a lot of designs that you would have for like fantasy creatures or aliens will borrow things that kind of signpost their equivalence so like you can have an alien dog that would have like the silhouette of a dog but a little bit different and just because of that without telling you anything naturally read into it like regular dog behavior like regular dog attributes but maybe with one or two variables like you have a lot of opportunities to introduce something that's totally new but just use like iconography or silhouettes or just some sort of thing that's more tangible in the real world to more easily and readily communicate the function of that but it's all relying on like things that you understand like things that you was a regular person who lives in the real world stories can explain everything they're not going to explain to you the origins of language or like the nature of currency or something or like how every single thing works it's all basically a matter of like how much do you need to understand to be able to how much you need to know to be able to understand the story that's being told and when you're relying on things that are real but then you start changing it in the case of like you know I guess things of like super duper relevant to what's happening in the story like a bear attack yeah, what you didn't know though it's like exactly that's why I'm asking because there's people out there people in chat right now who do know and just because this is not one of my I'd like you know bits of to like rags is already shared he's he knows lots of bits and bobs about survival because of the life he's lived that doesn't mean that because I don't know about those things that that rope can be stronger than steel it means I need to go find out how how strong that rope should be based on the material she used or I can ask someone who's an expert on it and find out and that is the reality the film has to this is what we talked about when you make a movie I'm going to go back to marriage store because I fucking love it as a reference they bring in like experts to make sure things are grounded and real but then they just give up at some point because it's too annoying to stick to stick to it this isn't what I wanted at all and they have that I've even forgot I know the reference I've forgotten the fucking dialogue at this a sculpture Hanson's like Oh well how accurate is everything he's like not at all whatever this is not even like it's almost like a job that don't take seriously this point keeping things accurate because a lot of people just want to tell the story they want to tell on the moment but I think you'll find that all the people who are familiar with bears have been complaining that this is not at all what would happen in this scene and it ganks them right out so it's worth because that's the thing right if they wanted to rebuild he hasn't got any pray yeah there you go have the same no lindy beige lindy beige has a old so what's that I'm sorry I was I'm fine I'm fine you know all right is talking talking about the historical accuracy checkers I think lindy beige has a video where he was hired as a sort of historical advisor for some show or film and he talked about his experience doing it and he said essentially and input just doesn't get valued at all almost like you're there in a symbolic sense that they just didn't care when they when he would bring up a lot of stuff yeah which sucks but I can almost understand how it ends up happening because of the stress of the production like you know getting people to be in on time getting the scene shot when they needed to be shot and then some guy is like should that be really have ran up to her that fat at least shut up down I guess doing we do we go into the bear runs off or the bear runs off chasing the dog hmm she goes down to the river she's got her bow and her arrow and she's looking where did they go the dog runs past her and the bear is following it back she shoots an arrow at the bear hits it in the right shoulder does absolutely nothing to the bear as you would expect but now worth a shot I suppose you might hit an eye I'm yeah and the sea and she jumps yeah it happens pretty fast but obviously so like thing here is like it looks to me best faith interpretation he's going down to see where the dog is cares about the dog she sees the dog past it she is not acting a little like she should just be running with that dog be like when you get the fuck out of here the only runs when she sees the bear is on the way back and it's just like oh yeah you are yeah you are not I'm just saying I know you care about the dog it's a good thing the space salient was here to save you oh fuck yeah absolutely uh because yeah that dog is got the right idea is the thoughts taken off she shoots an arrow she's like oh shit that didn't work and Fringy's gone and so she just she she well hopefully I am just real quick there's some people in chat who feel unheard there are people in chat saying is totally accurate how bears do everything and it's like they you know what we're just going to leave it a city fat do not know if that bear were accurate to be okay which is going to well if it is how bears react good we have no issues if it isn't how bears react then ah that's not good well that's a no that's the stance yeah that's the stance for both whichever scenario turns out to be true you have our answers to be fair the bear could be there wearing a red t-shirt and I wouldn't know if that's accurate or not or my honey like red maybe they're like red shirts if he was in honey that's an accurate adaptation of the franchise very familiar that's a strange place for a Christopher Robin cameo but you know I'm down with it I'm willing to give it a shot by the way I just want to say that it's really nice to see actors running around in the wilderness oh you mean green screen yeah not a green screen but here's a river we got we got a film here at this river we brought you to a river with rocks and mud and water and jump in run around get right it's I really liked it you really feel like you're just part of the wilderness in this movie they do a really good job of just showing how do you feel about the bear though did he feel like he was there or do you feel like he was a big seed diamond I think they did a good enough job with the bear I think the bear was good enough I didn't have any issues with the bear myself think I'm 50 50 on the bear I think he's fine yeah the running fine when the bear is running I don't mind it when the bear is up close I think interestingly enough look the worst to me hmm usually the opposite of that but also I think there's only I think all the dog stuff was real with the exception of maybe a couple of the like the drone shots where they would get shots of the wilderness and I think they CGI'd far below the people walking through but it was I think I'd have to go and make sure because I think I noticed it on a dog on a second watch through but I like that this film puts a lot of emphasis on real people in real places they try not to oversee GI things Fringy did you believe the bear did you think the bear bared I said no not really back at now I guess not he's here in spirit he is present he's fixing the router downstairs and so yeah connect and he's rushing back up like I got to talk about that bear fuck fuck quick before there before the bear conversation ends yeah I got to talk about there's are you are you making fun of me no not we're we're complimenting your hard work and dedication to the craft yeah now tell us do you believe the bear do I believe the bear what the just all bears do you mean I think that they exist yes all right that's a that's a bear enough bear that's a bolt of a bear enough haha that's bear oh oh oh oh oh damn you oh my god I can't do bearing down on more those puns Oh listen let's let's go ahead and just in this right here this is unbearable right oh no we got to stop this all right I can't bear it anymore that you're using the same one over and over this is bearing haha this is bearing yes it's very boring bearing oh oh yeah see look look at that shit pun the most it's not really a pun it's just shit word play really the most important pun that can be made here is that ultimately an alien saves her from a grizzly death oh shit okay you man you win yeah oh boy I give that yeah he's got it oh yeah all right so what what we were talking about today guys thanks yeah all right yeah yeah right there we'll be here all week well not with wine but you know we were we were talking about the bear CGI if you like if you were into it if it if you were thought it was good score it bringing out of 10 what the the believability of the bear yeah oh the bear I have the ability I I I honestly can't give you a number I got no idea I thought it was so so I think it was mostly all right I didn't have any issues with a bear really I thought it was good enough um I'd settle on a six I'm feeling about I would I was just thinking of six it was right above the wow right yeah yeah hey genies back it would you give the bear a number you that of orange fine to him orange ruin up everything we all gave numbers he gave a color numbers maybe he he gave a color because we said that he could six is fair for the bear because I know there's just enough of like I feel like for the far shops I see enough nature that the CGI really close okay oh oh it's behavior yeah just like I'm like I'm behavior now we hold back hold back Oh yeah be at a six I think yeah six yeah if we just had to yeah already and that's all bear review there we go well I will say that the bear it wasn't the bad points of it no well the bear CGI looks pretty bad if you pause it in certain places nice anyway we out of the bear puns let's continue I think I think you deserve a round of a pause rags Oh I I have many of this yeah every time someone tries to make a but I can just see rags disapproving face like nice no I'm glad I'm like Tabe in this scene I'm glad that you I want to empower you to try and do your best even if you can't bring it home cool now it's get now I I appreciate it I really that's really that's really we have a nothing that's really not nice rags we do get along but we do get along even offline we really do we have fun here is so she dives into the river to escape the bear because there's some instructions up ahead was a damn right she's trying to swim under it to get I think so yeah she's trying to get underneath there and the bear is hot on her heels he's chasing after man the dammed the situation yeah she's damned if you do damned if you do and if you know and the predator pulls the bear away she's like oh no ah she's panicking underneath there the bears about to get her and the bear gets pulled back because no it doesn't the bear smells the predator the bear smells the predator it smells something like wait a second it does and I think we have some predator noise here I don't have the audio on my thing as I'm double-checking but he's like something's up and then predator comes in and they start fighting this predator fights a bear oh my goodness that's that is a step up from a wolf fights the bear pow pow it looks like the bear gets a nibble and and naws on him and then it's invisible it loses it where did it go and then the predator is like ah I'm going to get you and then the bear charges after him and that predator fucking punches it right in the face as it's charging just and it beats the bear it defeats the bear in this contest basically with a one hit kill to the face well yeah he gets a read well doing a fix yeah go ahead they tussle before then quite a bit and wrestle a whole bunch yeah and it's you could have argued he's knocked it out but then the kill comes in when he does draining it's blood all over you know like that's probably where the is definitely dead but I was just going to say I don't know if you guys agree I like the beginning in the end the middle was which part are you prefer referring to yeah I was just just with a guess you'd probably get it it's that the bear seems to be victorious and walks off when oh yeah it was weird pretty sure the bear would be digging the fucking to whatever this thing is and the predator would be thrashing you'd be like I was fucking bear mouth on it wouldn't just like I mean it's like on the ground grabbing them and everything yeah because let me see the bear I I like the square up of a predator and a bear like that it really looked like the predator was like so you're a dude with some you're pretty big let's just do it the old fashion fucking way boom and I could even kind of like that the predators have a bit of trouble here and then I like that the predator does still win in the end because he's fucking that's how strong a predator is but it's so weird that like it looks like the bear has bitten him and then releases him and the predators I guess playing dead for a few seconds which doesn't seem at all like what a predator would do and the bear just loses interest in the predator and her I yeah the there is an element of how much does this change in terms of how the fight works out and mention because the predator reveals himself matters at all once you're in the fight the bears got other senses I don't think it's going to be he's he knows something's up it's still it's got adrenaline pump and bitten the predator that shit is you know the bear knows what he's dealing with at this point even if it's got the camera the camera's not even working you know 100% yeah it's so so it with all the splashing going around it make things harder but yeah ultimately it was a decent bear fight well I love the ending and also the ending is really cool really set up absolutely also shows us how how strong the predator is yeah this is like hand to hand which isn't yeah it's like when you which is very important is a blessing in a curse for this movie yes it is it is currently a blessing somebody just said Mola Ray red way too much into that that's what happened that's what yeah it's the bear just the bear is just like oh where was it oh I guess it's got I didn't make any of that I guess I'll go over here yeah that happens it's in a fight the bear just turns around and just walks off like nothing ever happened which is weird and and scene and I was yeah I've mentioned before almost the well the end of that fight I was just going to say the well yeah as pointing out it was taken directly from one of either a predator comic or a pre a terminate a comic where a predator is in it I'm not sure what it was exactly but you were saying that's not like an original idea from this film is like I don't really mind it's just it's it looks great it's cool look great yeah it looks cool I totally that is a very happy predator yeah I totally believe this is something a predator would do I love that he's fucking so happy with himself look what I just did look at this fucking thing I killed it it's like look at ad I did that good for you buddy you get he's good and then yeah getting um the first sort of proper physical closest thing to a physical reveal is because he's drenched in bare blood I think that was pretty cool yeah yeah what have been really cool if that would have been like the actual first time we see a silhouette I think we said it already yeah yeah yeah that would have been such a cool reveal yeah absolutely but Nauru what's happening she's still there in the dam right like hiding from the bear like well what happens is as the fight rages the dime the dam kind of opens up a little bit so that she can get away and she washes his fight for a moment and as the fight ends and she sees his predator drenched in blood holding up this bear she she fucks off she continues down the stream to be carried away by the stream and the predator sees her the predator is watching this you know watching her float away and he lets her go because that's not what he's about he killed the predator here he went after the big trophy who was doing the the strongest who was here she's nothing compared to this bear so I agree with your interpretation as didn't as felt like this was a mistake really of these part the the really was clearly interested in killing her and just for some reason stopped going after her not at all I actually thought I think rags nailed it I think that's exactly what was actually happening here was that he was just like the wolf with the rabbit just like the snake with the thing he spotted two animals interacting he killed the predator of the two yeah he doesn't care about the prey however oh I thought she remained prey because I thought he is going after her but she had like the speed from the current to he was trying to get away long enough or yeah yeah tracking her he was tracking her but it led to not for killing you know a confrontation between two entities one of them was clearly the predator he killed that yes yeah I think he can just remember a curiosity that's all right now well yeah that's that's fair absolutely if we if we rewind a little bit the animal he kills before this is a wolf by the way sorry or a priority you want to make sure someone has said lots of insightful and interesting things about this film I'm just I'm trying to offer some other interpretations he's like I was suggesting alternative you can go check that out it's an open bar it's up now it's just that um you know I'm just trying to involve some alternative criticism then praises you as we go through but I don't I don't know if this was intentional or not but he fights a a wolf a coyote a canid before he fights the bear right kills the coyote becomes familiar with it and when he's in his cave with his trophy he hears the bark of a dog who is sorry and then he tracks the dog's footprints through the through the mud so maybe he thinks that he like because sorry is a dog like the coyote is and he's familiar with that he thinks he's tracking that in order to like kill it potentially um but we we obviously don't quite know because you know there's a lot of distant you know there's a lot of space in between these scenes but potential that's what he thought he was tracking when it turned out it was actually just a it's more of a domesticated dog um he might not have even known that she was there it's possible I don't know what how much he knew it's tough to say um so she floats away down the river stumbles out of the water dries herself off and starts so walking walking through the woods and as she walks through the woods she hears a noise behind her and it is a search party of her tribespeople they have been sent out to look for her by Tabe but she's missing she left right didn't tell anyone because of course they try and probably stop her if she did and so Tabe's worried is where's my sister where she's going she said she might you know in his mind he's probably thinking she said she was going to go out there and now she's missing the next morning I think I know what's up he's up some shenanigans I don't know if this is intentional because we'll get to the conversation that they have with this the search party she told him that they have to go far beyond the ridge and so Tabe is going out let's see what are my notes here but I think that there's a potential that he thinks that he's going out to the place that she described they have to go but she got knocked off course so to speak by what she found in the river and be found the other party yeah the other the B team founder when he was looking for her where he thought that she would be based on what she told him I don't know if that's intentional by the movie but it makes sense character-wise it was only on the second place to play through watch through that I was thinking about this and I'm not sure if it bothers me or not here's what you guys think but obviously and she doesn't seem to give a fuck and it kind of like I guess bothers me a little bit but I think at this point it might just be a characteristic that I think it is a character just doesn't seem to give a fuck about what the tribe think even though obviously she does that's what drives her to do everything she does in this movie but I just um there's a pragmatic and almost a moral component to this on the first half being the pragmatic it's like you know that they're eventually gonna come look in for you right and when that happens they're gonna punish you probably for this this is not acceptable you can't just like randomly walk off cause it'll it'll disturb the whole tribe they might think someone got you or something got you yeah I mean we already had this happen like some hunter went out alone and got pounced on and it was a big deal like we should we could be doing other things with our lives meanwhile we have to go out looking for you now then you then you got the other half of it the more like why wouldn't she care that her family will think she might be dead um it's like yeah sure but like they're not gonna take very long before they realize you're missing probably well before you even encounter the thing you're looking for and so they'll they'll be panicking and it's like that's not good luck that's bad the whole family thinking you've died or something horrible to happen yeah and you're probably quite a tight-knit bunch with all of your um your people here and then you'll you'll have you know lots of trouble with like they're gonna have to put themselves in danger trying to get to you you know and you might be like oh danger just going through it's like yeah I don't know it's more than it's completely off of what they were going to be doing so I don't know just not much consideration there at all yeah if you think there's something out here that has to be taken care of because it'll put people in danger you're leading people away from where they'd probably be the most safe which is at camp all together um so it like I said in the second watch through of this I like Nauru less and I like Tape more yeah I like some of the other people more we will continue and see how she stacks up at the end of things almost just said so in a chat we'll get we'll we'll bring that up about it don't worry don't worry Carlos I'm going to bring that up we're not quite there yet yeah so there is some concern that I have that they are able to find her I'll lead that up to their ability to track and be hunters as they're out searching but she did get pushed way off of where they would otherwise be we don't really have a good sense of the directions where people are distances we also so it's tough to really say we don't truly know how long it took for them to find it post what a adventure I guess or was she still a little bit wet because if she was here looks a bit wet yeah I think she was so in that yeah she's still looking a little bit wet yeah I I think it's safe to say this was a coincidence how that they bump into the hills yeah it's a pretty big place you know yeah if they had like oh well based on the terrain she'll probably go this way or maybe this is the best place to check cause it's the value I don't know it's tough to say you weren't completely off course with the watery adventure I think if I know I heard dumbass she probably got attacked by that bear and fell on the river and would wash up round here wow great call Jim he's like yeah good job right yeah so I'm I'm pretty on it I guess we'll have to see how our coincidences stack up as we proceed some of more believable than others so she's walking through the woods in the search party comes across her they said they were sent to bring her home by Tabe oddly enough the presentation is really strange here with the scene they seem to sneak up on her with bows drawn even though they're just standing there right off to the side it's odd that she didn't notice them sooner and that they weren't going you know you know literally what you do when you're searching for a person in the woods as someone who's in search and rescue that's it's literally what you do so it's strange they just sort of come across each other almost as if everyone had fog of work cranked up to 10 but yeah man that I just looked at again there is an overzealous boy at the front of the lot of them he's like two years away from me and it looks like he's about to fire and it's like what are you doing man Hello yeah that is forget the names thank goodness for subtitles so I can remember a lot of names and stuff but yeah it's like geez calm down you know it's her like I know how eyes work you can see you could perceive objects at vast distances it's fine so let me look here Oh so I Tommy's probably perhaps told him become the ridgeline okay so she calls the creature mu pizza which I think means monster and the opening and the intro of the movie we get it spoken and what's I believe is Comanche the then it said in English she says that word mu pizza I think that's the word for their word for monster so some people call this predator mu pizza I think it's totally fine maybe we'll call it that as we progress I don't know depends on how I'm feeling so she calls it mu pizza children's story you know that sort of thing they're pretty they're they're pretty skeptical right mm-hmm but in their defense I feel like if I was Nauru and I had just seen what I had seen I would be a lot more descriptive and serious about explaining like I saw this what's like I think this might be a monster from legend to that I also witnessed here when we were talking about a I guess like the amount of tunnel vision that this character has is making her endearing I think a really quick way to fix that would be to show that she's deeply concerned about what this monster could do to the tribe yes yeah yeah the idea of the priority given at this point to like oh my god like the tribe we got to kill it like we and you we have to survive right to survive like like a mom said you could have a trying to explain what it looks like and what it does and they're all like yeah we know you're desperate to take this thing out to prove no no no no no no I just think you guys aren't ready for this you have no idea what this thing is he's going to kill us all like kill the bear with its bare hands it like this is insane we've not seen anything like this it's it's like a monster from storybooks it's we've this is an issue and I need to explain to you in detail just how crazy this thing is and you know it's it's a tough thing to write exactly because like I would try and picture if the five of us which would the predator and the bear I don't know how it explained that obviously with you guys I just like it was a little fucking predator I think like because of the references but if we didn't have references like that I would just be like so it's like camouflaged it's fucking tall it's like seven foot it uh and then in my head I'd be like how much can I say before they're going to think I'm insane yeah yeah there there is this element of where you would expect her to explain the story we've got a calm moment they're here you're here they're here to look for you like all right let me tell you what happened I'll start at the beginning lay it out like there I was going through I saw bear it picked up my scent it charged me it my dog saved me I wonder what I hope he's doing okay um I the the dog you know rescued me and then it chased me and I ran away and I was only saved because this creature you know and she explains the stuff she said and there's no real attempt I mean there's sort of an attempt but I feel like I would go further crazy but I didn't just imagine this like look at me like what all my gear is gone and all my stuff is just like my bows gone like you think why do you think I'm out here like you know that sort of thing yeah um dip dip dip dip go back to mine and tweaks like a little extra yeah yeah it's so close man like all it would take as a few extra lines of dialogue that would go a long way so good she described the attack against so this is my nose she describes the attack against the bear poorly she doesn't really say things and I would say or that I expect you to really say now party is here to bring you home because you have been a naughty girl and you have just witnessed the predator take on a fucking bear with his hands her move here is that she still doesn't want to be part of the group she wants to go back out in order to kill it yeah not very smart yeah and this point you kind of feel like surely what you would do now regroup and inform absolutely you need to get all your shit back together you need to tell everybody what's happening you to get them all prepared instead for some reason I think the film really is trying to argue this wet and almost like deprived person is now like I'm a go kill it it's like you just you I don't about to die from like why would you yeah know now you don't have your equipment yeah there there is an element of if this was a if this was an alternate universe version of this movie her dejectedly going back to camp with a search party is our second act low point where she's defeated she realizes that this thing is insanely powerful she doesn't know what to do she has to think she feels like a failure Tabe's probably furious that she wouldn't did this it's but they they take a different route with it I suppose not one that I think is it makes me real it it does make it hard for me to be on her side when you're making these really really dumb decisions when this recently Tomahawk and do you really need anything else that's true no with what she see the thing can survive a bear bite so the Tomahawk is going to like two bear bites really I think it might literally be the most deadly thing in their world a bear mulling like maybe a lion attack I think is this like right adjacent or right below it a bear mulling when you say mulling do you mean one swipe from the bear like in terms of the the worst possible thing that could happen to you in terms of just strength and aggression that you just cannot handle well the worst thing that would you wonder if the bear bite without glass of bear swipe I mean I don't mean individually I mean like the bear attack the mulling of a bear as it's on you you know like this is like to put it in the perspective of in her mind this is the deadliest thing in her universe you know in that kind of world that they're in a bear attack in it okay the bear up so like really we've said our power levels pretty clearly and you are you're very confident sweetheart imagine like yeah because there's so many other directions fucking terrified she's differing she doesn't even know what to do and they have to take her back like walking her back she's just that scared then you know she's trying to regroup she's explaining herself at the camp and then she gives all the information and then she realizes that she's getting up and trying to get back into normal gear even considering just never hunting again that was a huge mistake that her brother's heading off she's like well we're going he's like I'm going to go get that thing she's like you can't you can't it'll kill you and then he's like I'm I'll be okay I'm taking you know John Frank and Bill with me and they're they're great so I'm going to be fine sis you worry about you I'll worry about me and then of course you have her that's her hero's decision to make will you go with him or will you stay where it's safe you know and she's like I'm going to go and she can help you can be a hunter out of so more yeah but what instead she does is even she knows that these people are here to bring her back and she decides to not go back with them instead she's going to go out looking for it again maybe things will be different next time yeah if you I don't think maybe what they were going for is that she's she's got to find her dog but they don't say that as far as I know yeah um she said some people have brought up to be before is that the dog is really fucking weird if you try and trace him in this film oh yeah everywhere he's weird gets around so good because I didn't know research on the dog as a result of that because I was like yeah that seems the dogs in it's pretty nice but where the heck did they go he's like he's Elizabeth in Bioshock Infinite he's this really helpful and you see the dog actor Coco from what I found is about as much of an actor as my dog Lou oh so they did their best but it was not a very well-trained dog I'm pretty like I said about him being like Elizabeth he doesn't actually exist he's but he does he can't be touched or hurt you know but he does help and that's that's the dynamic okay he's helpful MPC dog so yeah one of the hunters asks where are you going when she she tries to leave and I think the fix here is I have to find sorry I have to find my dog we have but I I love my dog you know pretty pretty reasonable thing to say yeah what she says is I saw it and then she explains the the monster stuff I saw what left those tracks you and they they think it's a bear so no there there was a bear but there's something else and it was huge and it it took on the bear and it was covered in blood it looked like a beat so yeah but she um yeah I was gonna say the implication of course being gonna go kill it which is just insane what no clue how yeah yeah yeah it's weird so the um so the heroes of the scene decide that they have to they have to take her back she's gonna go get fucking killed and they have to bring her back you can't go back and say yeah we met her but she didn't want to come with us um she's being unreasonable here honestly and if she said I have to find my dog that would have given us some interesting yeah yeah something better uh Hunter says you're going home and she you know he grabs her shoulders he turns around and when she slaps him he grabs her puts her to the ground they fight uh it's it's kind of a stalemate by the end of it they're both I mean they're both kind of beat up a bit but ultimately he says at the end of their fight that um uh I think so like fine if you want to go then go yeah then go but then he says if you want to leave then leave the ruse so what what's a ruse he doesn't I think it very well might be because this other guys there and he's like nope and then they they basically they thwomper they suck a punch pretty hot cool um yeah pretty much which I don't blame him for at this point no I don't either she's kind of we got to bring you back to camp yeah you would think that she's just flat out being unreasonable yeah and she's now she's being really super like physically aggressive and will not come back you have to bring her back like there's no way you're going to go back empty-handed yeah because they're just you're at the same problem we had at the beginning she's out there on her own doing because yeah obviously what makes this scene go smoother is if her brother were here because he'd be like dude absolutely he could reason with them reason with her yeah now as they take her and they start leading her back we see by the predator oh my goodness he's here the peatles in the trees he's got his hito vision he's watching them like take her he's watching the the men take men and take her away and he's got his little spooky triangles on the spear points that thing is very accurate at identifying potential threats and yeah he watches him watches him go and the next scene I guess they he yeah points are it is very you I don't think you need I guess it just does that sort of as a side feature like yeah the guns and stuff it text those but I mean you I was behind my Ubi soft little too much does yeah it looks like an Assassin's Creed kind of thingy yeah little triangle so they walk a little ways and they set her down by a tree and they say it's one of them says he's got her gear with him and he says you need a leash for your weapon and he's really he's got the Tomahawk with the rope on it which is he's insulting her weapon when he doesn't realize that thing is amazing okay he's got try so awesome it's incredible all the magic powers in it yeah believe is what's up is his name you need a leash for your weapon she didn't say anything which would I don't know I feel like I'd want to defend it but I guess she just doesn't want to have any conversation till you try it yeah she doesn't like these guys to me yeah that's fair enough he says I get some water will rest a minute everyone stick together and one of them starts to wander off because he's got to go take a poo he's don't want to do that in front you want to do that in front of everybody else that would be embarrassing so one of them asks so what'll happen with Tabe he's out looking for him and they say he's he'll meet him back at camp so they've got arrangements for that now remember I think his name will check his name it see who's going to take a poopsie he leaves the group to go do that so that will be relevant in a moment the others are hanging out there in camp and to do we have a we have a spooky scene of trees and there's predator noises in the distance and the hunters are now they're aware that something's out there they're looking around like what the hell is this what's happening here they've got there they're on they're on edge and they they are by this tree and they it's it's fallen down there by a lot of trees it is the woods this one it's fallen down and they got their bows like there's a sound over there what's going on and they see some possums run out and one of them shoots the possum they're like oh it was it was only possums haha we were so worried look at your face the one guy says to her haha look at your face and naru's like what do you think scared the possums our way and we have anything could be anything yeah it could be anything yeah it's it's fair now wasop a goes over the log in order to get the possum and as he goes and picks up the possum notices that on him there are these red dots and that's really weird I like his reaction to it as well but you have just like have these glowing dots on you seemingly like he's almost like is this a bug or is this a thing any now he's they're just on him but we know what it means we know what it means but you see the audience knows something that the characters do not this is dramatic irony what they call the biz now when one of the lot one of the lights gets in his eye he like squints and he holds up his hand but to no avail because could tink tink tink three these metal darts they they they stick them in three different places because the dots are wandering around his body you could see the wound on his hand where the dart goes through his hand and right into his eye where the the the dot was before so yeah that's him rip was happy he gets started he dies triple darts on the floor the others tell naru to stay down because she's still sitting by this log they're like stay down interesting little detail I tell her to stay down and we have our scene where we have our predator fight our first predator human fight here yeah and I quite like it I like that it's sort of it it walks up to wasape's corpse and it it's invisible and it pulls out the darts of from him one by one and they're just sort of watching this weird thing happen in front of them one of them shoots an arrow at it and hits it in the arm and it sticks in its arm and he pulls it out because predators are super frickin resilient to damage and they go out to start fighting it one of them gets a spear and he gives out his big yell and they're they're going at it and ultimately she requests to be to have her bindings cut because they bound her hands because she's a she's a loose cannon and they say no no no you stay down you stay down so they're fighting and they go out there to fight him with their spears and everything and they put up a pretty good fight these two guys they they get some hits in but ultimately now they're the the predator makes mincemeat out of him and they go out fighting all while they're fighting she uses the tomahawk on the ground to cut the binding she has to go to Asafi's body because he has her tomahawk and she cuts her bindings with it and by the time that all this fight has ended she has she's ran she's out of there she's she's left which is weird because this is totally what she wanted I mean here it is but I get turns out maybe running is the best idea well so yeah if we can if we'll stop there then they'll roll back a little absolutely we can stop yeah this is a whole scene feel free to discuss whatever the predator does anything I just try and think of with all of my assumptions about what he's thinking and what he wants to do does it match any one as long as it matches one I'll be fine this one's strange because he kills one of them he obviously knows there's more there and he walks up to the body to collect his ammo knowing for a fact that they've all see they're all staring at him one of them's aiming they're right there yeah they're staring at him doesn't seem to give the slightest of fucks which I think when I was going hyper good faith mode when I first watched this I was just like the predators like chill with them as long as they're chill with him I was like well that doesn't really line up does it he you just killed their friend you know how the predator should be smart enough to know that not only is he given himself away completely which is typically not great you want to avoid that if you can and definitely can you took the effort to kill one of them at range efficiently and then there's like two technically three more but let's just call it two because she's bound that's essentially two more right there and they're behind cover and they've got a warning this guy was killed straight away it's like it just seems to me that the predators just kind of like nah they won't attack me oh wow they did attack me all right fine I'll fuck you up too which is really odd as an attitude you would you think you would go and expecting all of them to fight you back especially if you kill one of them and then present yourself and they're sitting there with these bows and arrows and stuff I'm not quite sure anything I can I don't think of really justifies that it's weird it's mask already warned him that was pointy does he already as he's pulling the darts out does he just think well they don't have a weapon is I guess is the problem do they have a weapon that can actually damage me and if there's no potential for it to really actually damage him then is that a trophy it seems to me unusual for any the predator to do this it just seems weird it is oh I think this is a yeah I think you're this may be the first human kill in a predator series depending well actually no who I don't know yet probably not actually um but we'll get into that later yeah but I like the fight itself because I like that it doesn't just these aren't just red shirts who just fucking die they actually put up a fight they I do they go to put it they like they get some stabs and hits in but it's just it's a predator it's got invisibility and these insane metals and it just it just fucks them up but they like get hits in they're they're actually do a pretty good job and when it goes to look for Nauru she has fled they are they are brave lads for what they do in the scene yes oh yeah and the fact that yeah they don't just get instagibs straight away I do appreciate that I think it's neat and I think that the predator could probably have had more this is stuff I'm more forgiving it right someone said why didn't the predator just back up and shoot them with his thing I'm willing to think the premise like I'm gonna take him yeah I want to fight them with my even with his fists and I think that even happens in the fight at first he's just using his fists and then one of them I think tags him and so then he he pulls out his swords or whatever they are just what's what's what happened with the dog not the dog the wolf yeah that's that seems to me pretty consistent with the predator that he's when he recognizes an escalation in the the technology or like the weapons because we'll see it later an escalation in the force that he's willing to use yeah yeah we're almost at the point we can have that conversation of the game think the only thing I was wondering is why the other guy didn't use arrows for the the that one guy wasn't fighting the the predator thing would have been needed they show us is the the second guy is up behind him and stabs him with a spear so yeah plus the first arrow just didn't seem to do anything well wasn't that one guy still behind the lock and we're just missing remembering no no so he fires an arrow and grabs his spear ready to fight this thing and all the guy with the arrow that okay they do some kind of like hand movement and I think it's the you go behind him I'll go front and then they do and they get a stab on him and that's when the predator gets his big things out like oh which you know yeah anyway yeah go ahead so she runs and she runs out into a field and she runs into itsy who had gone for a a poo he I suppose had seen this from a distance and he was like fuck that and decided to lay low in this field in the grass think that might be a subversion by the way they imply kind of heavily that he's going to go off and have a poop and get killed meanwhile it's the actual main group that do and he's fine you know yeah maybe I think that's playing with the fact that we would have thought like oh he's going to go and poo and going to get killed that's how it works back yeah where is he how that thing must be stuck in sideways one of you needs to go and find him he's been out there too long and they find his corpse or whatever yeah that is sort of what you probably expect and a lot of other things that the loner gets picked off so we can get into the do you want to get into the predator appearance now because you could sort of see is like his head do you want to wait until later I think this helmet is cool as fuck well should we wait until the helmet comes off before we talk about it oh sure oh well I want I just want to clarify though I don't know if there's that is true the og predator helmet that thing is fucking awesome the bone helmet is really cool it's what I imagine it just seems more predatory to me that it's like a trophy that has been repurposed into a wearable piece of armor I think it is a cool new thing that we can say but I do really adore the original predator original a special yeah this just seems more predatory asked to me but they both look great they both look great I like the original just because the the technological plus viable I think that the the helmet feels like it was crafted specifically for PIP as well this one is an alternate that I also like that's just I see it yeah so we have Itzi is laying in a field he's he's laying low and she grabs her he grabs her pulls her down and they communicate with sort of hand gestures without making any noise like that's just a thing that you know to do with people like useful for hunting and whatnot and she notices the dots because the predators got heat vision so he could see them sort of in the field yeah and before I think they're nice and concealed yeah well he thinks crouching and tall grass really doesn't work that well isn't there it's not a video game unfortunately not not with heat vision sure as hell doesn't he doesn't he say we have him or I have him and then she says he has like I've got him he has us because he's aiming an arrow right at it and the camouflage looks really good here the the invisibility this is probably one of the places where it looks like the best it's really cool looking here it's it's really ominous because you could just barely make it out if you didn't have a good copy of this that you watched on film the blank streaming service then you might sort of miss it because it's nice and subtle here and I really like it that just silhouette of him but he thinks he's going to hit it with an arrow but she notices Nauru notices the three dots on his forehead as and she pushes them down at the last moment and the darts go sailing over sailing over his head now we will leave for like that must be a bitch to find those again out in the field well maybe as a male detective may maybe so their covers blown and they start running they start running and he is behind her it's he is behind Nauru and the predator pounces on him and rips him to bits and that's the end to him uh so that's about what you'd expect I like the dread really like the big explosion of blood when the predator pounced on him because you got invisible thing tearing person apart it just seems to match that it would just be this pile of blood and flash would have in pretty quickly I also just like the sequence of the predator is fucking sprinting at you and it's it's that fast and that powerful she's like oh Jesus the man looks like he got hit by a 50 BMG yeah when you got the the gross as well parting with their invisibility looks cool yeah and then it's cool to get that shot again this time a big blood trails behind it like nice and yeah so he did Nauru keeps running running running running so you got our tomahawk in our hand and she is running runs across the field and a bloodied invisible predator is chasing after her I mean is a very very bloody predator if this thing chasing after her is very very bloodied very red that sure is a lot of blood there all over him where he was once invisible and now he's just covered in blood is chasing after her now she reaches the end of the field and once she starts to get back into the trees alas she steps on a metal trap and the trap yes she falls over ouch that hurt a whole bunch she's trapped by the trap thus the name and the predator shows up behind her he's like wait what's this what's this this is the same chain that I saw over at those skin to buffaloes how interesting however that the predator is is bloodless right now as far as I recall his blood is gone he's now squeaky clean great yeah I was going to say fucking mixed bag man like I know I can't wait to complement an element of this but I can't help but criticize probably about three or four things at once here like go for it man what a horrid luck that she stood in a trap that sucks for her this there's many different things that could have happened but that's what happened how amazing that she did more like that's actually true but let's just you know we'll go from her POV I guess for that moment and then of course you have the Frenchman are just here they're here yeah they're just here and they they grab it she's like that just seems really coincidental as well they're not here fast enough however to have spotted the predator and the predator does not react to them in ways that you may have expected him to considering his other stuff he's been doing but you know sure fine fine fine yeah he's sort of he seems to go into that wait and see mode because you see him take a knee and get still with his invisibility yeah and just sort of watch the main and if I was yeah because I've only got as the one criticism left for compliment how unfortunate when watching this film I was like fuck our protagonist probably can't walk again or at least he's limping because that is gonna fuck your your ankle up hardcore standing in that trap yeah depends where it hits and how strong it is but definitely does damage it's it's supposed to secure an animal in place so you can come by and get it later so yeah I you know I'll be curious to see what we got for that moving forward wink wink mm yep we will see in fact we're gonna get a a payoff for that very soon of course the really cool aspect of this scene is we get to understand more about the way that this predator is operating he's caught in the trap examines it and doesn't kill her because I don't think he likes that I don't think he likes the idea of killing somebody who's been trapped if we run with them what right she's saying when it's not his trap if we go from what right said when when they last saw each other the predator was like I defeated the predator of this interaction she's fine whatever moving on and then tracks whatever finds these guys kills them and then sees at the end of this fight when he's killed three of them that she is there she's holding a weapon he seems to like you know like I think this is a signal to the predator that like so we're going to fight then I'm guessing it's like all right and she runs off like all right then challenge accepted and then of course the predator sees this other guy with her kills that guy and then he's just chasing her she's running it's about to get it then she gets hit by a bear traveling it's like how lame like this yeah um I it's it's insanely coincidental how all of these things just converge on this one point and again just for forget the the the predator was blood soaked um at this point he's covered in blood but we swat scenes and he's super clean again because he needs to be invisible for the French yeah and and yeah and so yeah with the fact that this is incredibly convenient with well with with the context we've just added now it turns from how inconvenient she stepped on that to how hyper convenient she's still on that very very convenient if she hadn't stood on that she'd be dead very like I guess she would have just ran into Frenchman yeah and then yeah I don't know how would that have played out which to be honest if you would have worked better I I guess that takes to carry down the work though it doesn't know like I think I would have preferred that in the sense of the predators like oh a new challenger has entered this fray that would make more sense but then they obviously want the payoff of the predator sparing someone who's stepped in a trap which I think is pretty cool but gotta do a little because it's not his trap so it's like I don't get kind of two coincidences though right like either she steps in the bad trap and you get that or she just runs into the the French guys who just happen to be out there I'd be more willing to just to find pigeon bumping into them if they make a lot of sound in the fight that we had with the predators and the guys yeah the noise she had to step in a very specific location to get caught in there like if she had ran a couple meters the other way that doesn't happen whereas so I suppose the question is what do you want to accept a greater coincidence or a with a with a maybe a more interesting payoff or a lesser coincidence with a similar payoff for this will be let's work a little harder and figure out how we can get what we want yeah yeah I guess if you only have those two options though if if you it would have been interesting for the French should they hear this commotion in the woods what is that we're in the general area we should on their way there was this there's this Comanche woman with a tomahawk in her hand and maybe she's got a whole bunch of blood on her from a nearby kill that's gotten on her we can do that so a very strange sight what she she's running for her life from something let me ask this and is particularly like maybe this scene here Frenchman are here you have the predator right behind you you have all these men with guns is there a part of you that says like look look is that an element that maybe should be part of the scene she doesn't I don't think she says anything here I suppose you just looked up these search that is the I mean she could have done but could she also just be so fucking shocked that everything that's just happening if she's done I don't think it's really a complaint it's just me wondering like I was in this situation what might I do or what might someone do with that I made it interesting that to kill me so who knows we also get of course we get the trope the the subtitles in French I do not know what the French are saying for this so any analysis of the French speak is not going to be a part of my analysis is like my subtitles are in the French they got the as a G oh so high blue wee wee bagu it like so the French show up and of course we get the trope of hit her in the head with your weapon to knock her out sigh man like you can so easily just kill someone by doing that just carry your back it just like oh it's this this woman in the woods is really native is woods and you could just cut from them you know you could have them walk toward it cut don't even need a knock her out or grab it we can infer that they took her here it'll be okay yeah it's instantly set them up as bad guys I mean they're already French do we really need anything else that is true and I don't understand that is coming from a German but that is true there yeah I just feel like like you I would you've done that would you do the hitter in the head I feel like you have a three would have gone like just like what's a French name Clammy what are you doing what why would you possibly do this why why would you hit her in the head like that it's not very Christian of you but who knows who knows what they would have said but it's just it's just I hate this trope where you can just hit people in the head to put them on pause so you could do whatever you want to do with them for the next scene we get to see the the result of the the result of the the result of the the trap in general that's it right there I almost think this is like a I don't even know I think they showed us this to be like no it did her too but this has no concept one that should shatter her bone she well probably not um I mean if it's it depends all it's clearly something that needs to be tended to um but the set the scene she awakes in a cage a cage in a French camp she's surrounded by Frenchman it is hell on earth truly they're all over the place they're speaking their horrific language they're just all making noises and everything she's trapped in a cage oh no what am I going to do the horror now she awakens and on the trap and it seems to be totally untended to which is this is like a consolation prize this is this doesn't matter it has no bearing on anything ever from this point on I feel like they showed us this just to be like yeah she got hit but fuck you yeah she the seed there's a wound and she went ah that's the payoff is that she said ouch essentially I think it's just cheating to put her in that kind of trap and then to be like well we're done with that payoff so just have a trip on the chain yeah you could have done that she falls right in front of the Frenchman maybe you hear the loud clang of the trap as it gets set off because you tripped on the chain and then you could get everything you want do the do the trap where she steps in a little little hoop and it it ties and then a weight drops and you get flunking upside down oh yeah yeah that doesn't hurt her to do that to do that I mean it does hurt but you know not in the same vein as of this and so there is the the Frenchman they're all being spooky like oh making their noises as French people do and she's in her cage and she's looking at him and they're like poking her with sticks and just being menacing and jerks doesn't seem to be a kind heart among them however neutral hot among them so what there is a neutral hot among them there's no real kind ones though no yeah there's sort of one yeah so this enter Raphael what a name Raphael what an interesting name Raphael Raphael is their translator he speaks Comanche amongst many other languages nice little touch he has a little like feather necklace on him that maybe he got from natives nice little touch of the translator has that now Raphael talks to her and he says what did you see he's like you're you're a Comanche I speak a lot of language what did you see trying to talk with her trying to see what's going on because it turns out that the that that that the turns out the trappers are aware of the predator they're aware of something out there which makes me somewhat question what the timeline of this is has the predator had enough time to cause shenanigans with the French and also do all the things we see him doing it's it's up in the air it's odd but apparently the trappers are aware of the predator I also wonder how this guy is concluded already what it is and what it does I just wonder if there's even been enough time for that where not only yeah because he know Raphael know the French know what it what it's it's it's it's the system is sort of they have figured it out yeah he says you should be helping us I think this creature is a hunter looking for the strongest prey what do you know it killed your whole party and she said no it didn't kill everyone which I don't like which I don't like I I would not this is not the point you are you are you barely survived all of your compatriots are dead and you're in a cage surrounded by Frenchman you should not be cocksure right now it's not just that there's this growing sense in my head where I'm like those guys deaths gave you time to break from your bonds and escape they're probably a fucking tribe you know when they tied you up they've been brutally fucking killed after bravely attended like trying to defend themselves from this creature and you're just treating this like bucket they all died whatever I didn't kill me like yeah no it didn't kill you because it spared you because you suck no offense you got hit by a trap that you know all of them got killed because they fought it you ran like I don't appreciate this severe lack of humility from her it's you are not yeah you I I don't know you you should you should learn from Tabe it'll be so much cooler if her lines he's like you know he killed everyone and she's like no and then she like looks up well maybe maybe she could be we need I think in that realization because she has a line later that helps the scene a little bit but in the moment we'll get into that really comes across here that she's like didn't kill everyone it's like don't be proud of yourself after that scene come on yeah yeah again rewatches in particular I like her less and less but we've been getting into that so so he Raphael is right if you were smart you would help us because this thing fucks people up and we're a whole bunch of we we may be French but this is old school French we are we are capable of doing things and we have guns and there's a lot of us and we are woodsman so she this should be her golden opportunity to be like like they didn't have to make French just the evil jerks you know they could be like yo listen we're we're out here try we're just out here getting pelts and whatnot doing what we do and there's this creature and it's fucking with our folks and it seems to have done the same to your party we need to cooperate we need to work together but they instantly make them both so incredibly standoffish against one another which I don't think is is interesting nearly so but but Raphael is right yeah if you were smart you'd help us and I feel like that he is correct judging by the amount of lantern lights we see just in this shot makes me think there is a shit ton of them French I mean that is a that is another note that I noticed this camp we see this camp in the daytime and it is not we are lead to believe by all these lights that this is a very like this is like a French fort or something like they brought them whole town yeah there's lights all over the place but I guess that was for I don't know but that was it's who knows maybe I don't know so because and she says that she's not gonna help them out she's just being quiet she's like it didn't kill everyone I I survived which was like one of the the angry fat Frenchman with a bare skin I don't know if it's the bear or not maybe they came across it and just I don't know but he goes out to another cage on the other side of this little campfire and oh no they have Tabe they've captured him they must have captured him while he was out looking for you oh man about oh no or Tabe now let's talk about how we might behave in scenarios now just because in a movie somebody doesn't behave as you would behave or think you'd behave that doesn't mean it's a flaw doesn't mean that there's an issue doesn't mean that it's a problem but I feel that sometimes when characters don't do certain things or do do certain things I get pretty annoyed and I get pretty frustrated at what I'm seeing because it's tough for me to really believe that characters would do things or would be doing the lack of things that they're doing so let's set the scene you are in Naru's place you discover that in this French camp you are not the only captive and the other captive is actually your brother whom in theory because we know he loves her very much but in theory you love him very much he is your brother he is your blood you've been through a lot together right you went to those that mountain lion and then there was the those Puhi oh good times good then in the hawk at the river we've been through so much together my dear brother and I now these angry Frenchmen speaking this disgusting foreign language right you can't understand they're like ah ha ha they're laughing and they're being all grandiose and they're clearly keeping you prisoner here and they don't seem to be very nice they pull Tabe out of his cage your brother your blood that you love very much supposedly they they they pull them out of his cage and they hold him and one of them pulls out this big old knife right now I feel like I would have a very immediate distinct reaction to these events occurring right in front of me I feel like and I'm I feel that if that was my brother and my brother was that much of a fucking Chad that I knew who really cared about me this deeply I would be screaming my head off I would say no, no, no I'll tell you everything I know everything and please don't hurt him don't don't cut him up don't slice him or dice him don't do anything I I'm just afraid I'm sorry I'll tell you everything I know we have the same goals just please don't hurt my brother don't do it please don't do it that's what I feel I might do especially as the Frenchman is taking this knife and he's dragging the knife along Tabe's front and making this big red line and Tabe's going ow fuck that hurts Jesus Christ that hurts a lot that is a knife and my chest and she's just sort of like scowls and kind of kicks the cage a little bit like she's a little upset she's she's somewhat perturbed at this I'd say it's almost played as though she doesn't have an opportunity to share with them her particular disdain and on offer as if they're playing it as though she doesn't speak their language and they don't speak hers but but they've got a guy right there who's definitely have a translator that she's given like a line to and there's specific he's specifically like help us tell us what you know like they're not trying to but he's not like I tell us what you know so we can kill your friends no it's please tell us what you know so we can kill the predator like she has every reason in the world to help them apart from the fact that they did headbutter with a rifle and she's understandably a little you know little miffed at that I'm fine with being Jesus Christ yeah I think you're totally right and it's just feels like someone's missing and awkward here it is implied to me directly that the Frenchman came up with the idea of let's see if she wants to help us if we hit this guy that seems to be the idea then seen kind of just ends like oh okay yeah it's it's over and I'm like what but I please help to let's torture your brother in front of you and then nothing yeah I don't know if they're just jerks who like to hurt people or they're trying to be like we're gonna we're gonna bleed him so that the scent is in the air or I as far as I know it's like oh this is your fellow you know you're your fellow here we're gonna hurt him because you are not telling us what you know when I mean like I don't know I what part how much of me blames the French for cutting a guy because you've got a predator killing your dudes and you think this woman might be able to tell you something and she's just not telling you something and you're like ah and Raphael is like please helping us he killed your whole party if you're smart you'd help us but she doesn't protest for she doesn't say anything she does not say any words um someone in chat mentioned she's angry at them for having killed the buffalo even if your brother is potentially about to die here I don't think that she's gonna let that level of disdain overshadow saving his life unless she is and that's just her character which what a prick sorry bro but they that's a whole herd right there really mean what they did well it might not be the whole herd of course the ones who didn't get killed they ran away so maybe there's a chance or out there but you never know maybe one thing that people were bringing up in my reaction was hey you know the the French were actually like some of they had some of the best relations with the natives not like it's depicted here where they're just super evil bad guy there's a French in Indian war I mean how's a thing oh yeah in fact it's not too far into the future George Washington will fight but also is I I I kind of already knew that the French had pretty good relations with the natives I mean that's kind of my ancestors the French are the natives both oh my god they really did get along yeah they must have got a lot I've seen a lot of criticism tends to be in the way of man the French was so one-dimensional and lame as yeah people whereas like you know the other faction in this whole range of kinds of human beings in the yeah I mean I'm inclined to say that it would be nice if the French had more dimensions to them especially considering how much they do feature in this film from this point on Jesus yeah I wish they were certainly more multi-dimensional not just we're bad I feel too bad about it just because they they really didn't have that large of a role they I mean we see a decent amount of them going forward now they're in the movie fall on to the next like 10-15 minutes mean like the amount of screen time they get in terms of because like obviously the criticism is basically that's they're all borish and gross I guess people just wanted to see less of a weighted depiction that's clearly gunning for a particular idea as opposed to what feels just like a genuine one like look at these gross melly Frenchman's all being these are your red shirts that's what it feels like and I just think the film would easily benefit from I probably would have made Raphael really nice I probably wanted to try make it so that because they almost get there in this film but I don't think they go far enough I probably would have this has been suggested by a lot of people I think as was saying this probably would have just why not have them both work together that'd be nice yeah I think that's that would have been better almost play with the idea but I would say we don't really get there yeah it's a bit of a shame because this is yeah it would have been neat to have that back and forth sort of like they don't necessarily have to super trust each other but they work together they've never really maybe encountered you know the white men before so especially with Tabe there that could be interesting how he's this crazy amazing hunter and everything and super talented and he works with them a bit but I don't know that this is what brought our people together was the predator somehow it's like that would have been interesting but that would have been a nice little feather in the cap of my ancestry is that's why yeah that's why it is the predator came and was messing them both up and they had to fight it off together and then afterwards they went back in the TP for a while then for a little celebratory conversations they like an exotic so my we have somebody help us cut to have a French okay so the Frenchman have tied up Tabe and Nauru to a tree in the middle of a sort of semi-clearing they I assume they burned a part of the woods in order to clear it out of all of its brush and debris which is a smart idea I thought someone was saying something pardon I say Tabe was taking this very well in terms of like the pain Oh just the whole situation yeah he's proactive I mean he's he's only thinking about he's goal-oriented yeah what's the best thing to do next that's what we focus on well he says well we learn later his we will get into Tabe and some of his dialogue later but he's trying to of course you know project strength like when they cut him easy like he like yells at him you know that sort of thing now they time up to this tree I guess to use them as bait but the issue is the yeah just I think an interesting point immediately because you tell me that this French guy has cracked exactly what the predator is interested in doing and then you tell me you're going to use them as bait by tying them to a tree I don't think that I don't think you can't you can't have both of those you have to have one yeah they say they figured it out it almost feels like it's a line for the audience who hasn't figured it out now but I thought I hope not too but you know I thought that the film was foolishly trying to say it wants to kill hunters so if we tie up a hunter it'll go for it as opposed to the reality of like well no it didn't know it wants to go it wants to wants to hunt not to like fucking randomly kill what fine I just think it's it was never gonna work and then yeah having a point that I was like yeah I know also um yeah contrast I think that well to be fair I think that actually does play into the scenes as they go forward this is something I kind of appreciate about the film I believe is that up to this point she's not done anything definitively to the predator she still hasn't I mean she's only ever ran away from it looked at it like it it's not got anything on her yet if it had like a list of crimes she's committed not really I mean while the people so so we got the clearing that they they expose this opening to make it a lot more a lot less foliage and places for it to sort of hide we get some ash in the air um we had you know what what happened here what is this place I assume that the French I for I assume the French set up a controlled conflagration yeah clear out all of the brush and the trees and yeah so it's the environment is best for them okay interesting I would have never guess that in a million years to be honest I mean the other reason would also be because it looks cool and it was my that was my reasoning there was a there's a there's a there's a I think from a action scene point of view but we'll get there eventually so I'm I'm saying just for the look it is there's a mechanical thing that happens oh yeah yeah no I I know yeah yeah yeah I know that now now I ask if she now you ask if Tabe is okay do they hurt you he's like all they tried um horses Winnie in the the background and the French men are watching they got their spy glass they're up on a hill they're up where that the fire hasn't been so they're they're looking into the trap area and there are some Frenchies on horses and they're hanging around the horses are restless because animals can sense these things as you know of course unless you're a rat um then you can't sense it all that much but they are saying we can only we can only guess there's probably no way for us to ever discover what they say I'm pretty sure they're saying man in a great be in French yeah probably that sounds like something they would say I'm sure you like being alive for an additional 20 or 30 years yeah I would yeah I can't wait to get back to France and have some cheese and wine and um do whatever it is we do in France um so uh yeah I like the line they do is like oh that's so this thing this is what you took for your good time yeah just she's just goes like yeah haha huh yeah haha this is just a point where I'm like God my sister is a retard hahahahahaha hahahahahaha well and to be fair I think she is her most tolerable when she's with him uh absolutely yeah that's all of us we're all let her most tolerable when we're with him he's just like undo it for all of our are the goodness in the world yeah yeah um so the the predator however he's around and he starts killing Frenchman and uh there is this big all fight and I didn't really know how to put this down for the notes other than to say there's a big all fight maybe we have like stuff to comment on because he uses a lot of his weapons we see a lot of his arsenal I guess the comment would be this is cool it is very cool in terms of events he fights all of the Frenchman e so we could just talk about that again meanwhile they do you want to say you know we could talk about how they escape affordable wood chipper I love that part actually well let's yeah I don't know this is it's kind of annoying to figure exactly how we should go about this I'll start right right early on in terms of a comment I like the fact that it shows a Frenchman realizing however it's about three or four bodies back there no fucking way you killed all of them with no beginning they're about three meters away from these dudes that's not happening yeah that's yeah it's supposed to be the whole all the predator he swooped in killed them all silently and efficiently like all of those men were apparently on horses too and all the horses have ran off so you're getting you're getting so many sounds from all of that that I think I guess they notice because and maybe the scene would be made better if we didn't know how close they were and we just saw horses run and we cut away you know like just like have some people on horses as the horses run away like I don't know if we need but I don't even know if we need that just the fact that the horses are running away it's like why would they do that you know less is more a bit eerie area and before we get the big you know cool fight scene so yes we got his spear travel so fucking fast and so heavy it just takes the head off a guy and impales it on a tree but pretty cool mm-hmm remember that spear for later and then yeah it shows that the predators camo is not able to function in this shit the ash it's fucking him up and disable the ash landing on it causes some issues yeah which you know it's fair enough but I am assuming that was part of their intention as well it's like we can on uses camo really show off our cool ass predator yes certain ways and this this fight has a lot of different choices in it a lot of things I like a lot of things I have a different thoughts on going to see which one comes first what's what what are predicate so the predator yeah he notices that the ash is disrupting his camo and he's like well all right I had this and he the the fish this thing that happens right after that is he gets hit by the the French trap which this pop fucking off before but before that right before this he starts wandering into the ash hole and Toby sees it coming and he says our the bait he's coming for us and now he says no he doesn't hunt like that he wants to hunt like hunters he doesn't want to just he doesn't want to hunt bait that's not how he works so she says before the trappers captured me it saw me oh my goodness it came right up to me and it left so she this I think this is where she I guess she's supposed to piece it all together as sees well she's certainly pacing a lot of it together now yeah yeah meanwhile I guess they this this so much I take you fucking one tiny moment of the predator hit in a beer trap he falls over hits another trap with his hand and then plays into something cooler later but God there's so many things to say about this like first of all this is a big wide open space you have five Frenchman prepared on this one trap you have that everywhere or was it just lucky as fuck that he ended up on this particular trap like damn um I'm surprised the predator they would show us the predator acknowledging beer traps earlier to then have him fall for one later feels like the opposite of what should happen look out for it it's because you know this is a trap that's meant for you because they also start the scene with showing like him a predator they had to set up rope and log traps specifically because the predator could see their trip wires and knew to avoid them is what I'm saying like not only do we have that we have the fact that he acknowledged and understood the beer trap type things like why would you show me that and then show him full for one that really line up very well it's not very satisfying this is because they show him start walking like next to some of these traps looking like so all horses so he's aware so no traps and then like after three or four he's just steps into one like wait what yeah um so that's situation right he's in two traps and they've got a really good net on top of him and I remember when we were first watching this they're all still start celebrating their victory it's like guys we did it and then like he's obviously not dead so he starts killing them so awkward wouldn't you guys all this this thing is causing so many problems you seem to be pretty familiar with it this was your chance lads was it you had it in a net on two bear traps go spears spears spears spears whatever weapons you have just go nuts go to town hear that thing apart but no instead they're just like woo guys we did it it's like you have not done it and then the weirdest thing and I distinctly remember rags you you were very unsatisfied with this when you first saw it what is happening here I'm just going to put it on repeat on the streams so everyone can get all right ready to stabs him remember he's in two bear traps on the floor with a net on top of that for the predator does he what Oh and then he just like this weird lift up wires and what is that okay I guess that didn't work and then he like punches them how is he to another guy one of his feet are in a bear trap right now but both of them are moving look I guess you could still move you could still move it in the bear trap because the bear trap is attached to the chain and the chain is pegged down to see if it's still on him or not but yeah because he breaks it has to still be on him because he breaks it off in a sec so he breaks it yeah but it looks like it's hot this is like one of those oh no how could our plan possibly have failed but yeah I just wouldn't have I just wouldn't have written it so that he got cool and this this whole thing was awkward all right that's what you wanted to do I guess also right before this we have a little bit more dialogue we have our two she says you know it's it on some certain way I figured it out and they talk a little bit more as it's walking in before it gets hit by the trap so she said that it didn't see here's a threat that's why she doesn't think that it you know killed her and then this is a good character thing for Tabe I feel because they're they're in a pretty rough spot you got this alien creature you got all the Frenchman which is worse I don't know hard to say he says your plan at the tree like it was it was your plan that I used to kill the lion like you legitimately helped the lion you weakened it you like you had it you know like he's really trying to pepper up he's trying to give her that encouragement it's like all right this is our time to shine we really need to you know did you do have what it takes that was that was my interpretation as well that this is why would he tell her anything else in this scenario you know it's a good job on him to tell her this is the best thing you could tell her right now yeah he says he explicitly says you can see what I miss you know she's got that eye for detail that she sees things and you know that he doesn't necessarily see and he's telling her he's telling her here after she gives her like she explains how the predator hunts and they're really trying to bigger up you've always been able to see things that I don't and of course we get I don't know that these thing can be killed and then he says if it bleeds we can kill it Shazam there it is of which bleeds we can kill it would be fine with if does he have any reference at this point I know she has a reference for it but does he have any reference for it having bled think so here's the thing when the Frenchman had that had Nauru in the cage of it yeah and they were interrogating her the way they showed what creature they are talking about was a leaf with the predator blood on it so since they already had they might have used that same one but then yeah they probably and that's actually fair yeah what that is in the first place you probably did okay that's good enough for me um it passes my smell test that works um I don't I don't like I'm not doing that he said the line woohoo stuff I'm just saying no it's like it's a good line it's fine it's it's this is like your your yeah kind of moment in the theater is like where are going to get them even though we're tied to a tree currently we'll have to ameliorate this someone keeps asking what did as say about this seed there's a whole if you want to see what he's got a whole three video on it yeah I dedicated dream and videos about it I'm pretty sure yeah he's got I think he might have I think it's just the one video but yeah you've got um he talked about it on the last real bvc and uh open bar I'm not sure the open bar is up yet I saw James but yeah I'm acceptable all you disagreed with as about this scene what did he say about it did I disagree with as on this scene I think you said you liked the line to me I don't think I I well I I never have I felt pretty neutral on it why would I like that line yeah then I I've no idea then I don't know an amazing line because oh yeah well I like the line in the you're like I'm not even sure if it like I want it to fit in a bit better I don't know that it does it in very well at all I said the dog was the best character I like the dog dogs pretty good but I don't know this car bay you know captain Chad yeah yeah captain shod so he starts killing all the Frenchman after he escapes from his net and he like bob on the floor there he let's see what is he he sees some people scrambling away so he throws his net at one of them and we get the we get the net affordable woodchipper yeah you you throw the net it goes over something and it connects at the back and then it just pulls the strings inside the space strings and it just dices you when it pulls you through I don't know fuck it's a joke thing to make but it looks cool it can't even get a trophy out of that one honestly it's nice it's it's a very small one maybe just mean I guess that's just mean spirited really oh it's cool as though though it is very cool Predator 2 was first time we see him use it I'm pretty sure and then there's uses it on an alien in EVP and it's acid blood I can bring through the the net I think I think doesn't use it on a person to yeah but I'm saying the more interesting element is that he is on an alien and breaks through because of the acid blood which is you know bad and I'm like yeah I guess that would happen and it makes the mark on the alien so it can be identified later yeah that's true he's a little net alien you only the thing I think I would add is that it looks like a different design in this film the ones in Predator 2 and EVP they like each of the landed wide and they just applied a lot of pressure and cuts like a bit in caused a bleeding death whereas this closes up completely in the back and just absolutely dices the motherfucker yeah definitely a different bit of tech but still annihilates your victim fucking out I guess it's pretty fast at least I def you know it will go down pretty quick um yeah and then you go so he did fall into that bear trap earlier on his arm it's still connected to him it has been this whole time um because it's setting up a predator kill here I quite enjoy um yeah I like they want to punch kind of a strange to understand entirely but man it looks brutal if I can I got it on a bit of a repeat you go everyone like knocks the bear trap off with the tree and then it resets it by doing any fucking tosses it at this guy's head great of the flow of that yeah it's been so long since we've been able to see the predator doing predator things this is it's hard to explain sometimes because we have the big lumbering CGI monster mess running through killing everyone doing all that but like this to me is way more satisfying this is the brutality I think of this just this move alone yeah uh and yeah he's not a CGI monster which helps to obviously the fucking yeah I imagine but it's still I would imagine that yes no all real real people all dead real thing real friends are cheap hey look at all these responses we got that's a good shot looks dumb as fuck seems way true to intricate dude I looks pretty cool man I love what applies I like it um but I like it I could be argued into thinking it's dumb I'm not sure mechanically if it all lines up but rule of cool right anyway it is very cool so then you have three Frenchman with rifles you're nearby they shoot and so the predator turns around and he activates his little arm shield which blocks the bullets and they start to like oh shit bullets didn't work we better start reloading yeah yeah about those guns I think it's a moment of our bullets don't work we should probably reload anyway like it's literally all we've got like come on I don't know yeah I think that's kind of fun I I just I had a good laugh at that part when they realized that they were absolutely boned and it's going to take several minutes to reload those guns yeah good fun we see Nauru is pulling a trap towards them because they need to get free of the the rope that binds them to the the to each other's risks that's how they're held to the tree their arms are around the tree and back to the predator just kill it in French people they are running up to him with knives and machetes or knives and tomahawks yeah this ends about as well as you'd expect it does I don't know how to feel about it because it's like well yes they still trying to take him out with bad breath they're um plenty of them have tried they go we I guess we assume like because what I find interesting it's it sort of happens in the background but Rafael tries to shoot with a pistol does tag him and the immediately tosses a little wrapy around the metal thing at him in the background yeah yeah little metal wrap you have ones like this this happens in movies so f***ing often I'll even make it clear on screen arrives but you know there's some people who obviously going to try and kill him by straight up just trying to stab him but this guy just looks like he runs into being like what was he doing you know I mean that guy I'm right back up oh yeah yeah like you just sort of ran up to him to die like did he had a gun in this right hand didn't have a frame he wasn't pointing it at him so I mean yeah uh so the classic it's the classic like somebody movie do it where they just run up to them I don't like why it's mad I'm getting near this thing no f*** that yeah this scene this bullet was it's alien demons yeah it's very uncharacteristic for the French I just I don't know but it's just really I don't yeah what how did you think this was going to go at least run up to him with a crucifix or something else just honestly at this point as like this is clearly a demon from the new world maybe like the holiness can repel it that might be something that occurs to my my my 17 19 French brain far faster than well maybe if I run at it and stab it with my will you guys would complain if they did try something like that and in the movie it doesn't work I I would be interested like it holds up a crucifix someone one of them is like on the ground like backpedaling or something and he's holds up across or whatever and he just doesn't even do anything that would be cool though like the the aspect of he runs up to him with the cruiser so the Predas curious at first if he's going to be a threat and then he's just he's just standing there with the Predas strictly for the reason of there's no sport and killing you but the the the dude interprets that as ah you see I am holy yeah a lot attack Jesus yeah Jesus saved me the the Lord delivered me from evil and he runs away happy it's to live because he's like oh there thank you Jesus he runs away he like he clasp and he just goes huh yeah nobody's angry right everybody's happy nobody's upset or offended me one as well it's very stylish you know and they they were kind of going some stylish kills in this so this Predas is like I'm pretty cool don't you think he's ah he's gone for those max points like he's he's racking up his smoking style like he was almost he's definitely crying I was thinking of is it called bullet storm do you remember that I remember a great game man that game is so great and yeah like how like you'll get less and less points if you keep repeating the same style yeah you got to mix it up like kick people into cactus into a cactus or you know like that game was cool man it's a shame that like barely anybody's played it ultra killed us the same thing too yeah I mean a lot of games do it it's it's just a really easy way to make people mess around with your mechanics more and try out new things yeah alright you got to appreciate that the guys got by the throat that guy pulls out a knife the predator like does a nice slow just glad said it like ah well and I'm going to kill you it's like you pulled out your not this shield yeah which is another cool kill and shows that the shield is incredibly fucking sharp it shops through a tree where he's got mm-hmm mm-hmm um oh yeah then there's this moment like this one same as yeah I don't like that one so well I guess we'll summarize it quickly for the people at home mm-hmm the pretz awaits this for this guy to shoot at him and then he does the bullet reflects directly back into the guy's head yeah well two comments I don't think that would happen I just it's such it seems like such a stretch that it would bounce off in that direction plus especially 60 caliber lead balls I find it interesting that the predator makes this choice but that shouldn't have been the outcome yeah but I think this is supposed to make you laugh I think I think so but I didn't laugh I'm like oh I didn't that's that's silly it is dumb but I like that he actually just goes up to him and wants to see what it would do so yeah I was going to call it to me assuming that the mask is strong enough to withstand a I can't believe it is that's I can't believe the ball itself should have flattened and like exploded outward like that it would ricochet directly back into his head with enough force to penetrate to not only penetrate but come back out the other side look at the blood splatter on the back of his head like that maintained a shit ton of force that it should have lost that ain't happening in a brah so yeah it's stupid is the answer this is dumb but my take on this with the predator would probably be that he's currently in a sense of like I'm fucking dominating these losers and so he's like fine take your shot human see what you can do with it Yeah give it give it you mess try buddy and so consequently you know this is mostly fine because this guy was dead no matter where that bullet ricocheted um but yeah just I think they did it because they thought it was funny and it's just kind of like ehhhh it wasn't it's dumb I would have aimed for it I just would have not aimed for any protection that he had on him I would aim for like the neck or some other mouth I wouldn't have been like I'll shoot him and as clearly I'll shoot him what is clearly a helmet like I know it's doesn't look like a human helmet but I thought the obviously more interesting thing here would be the guy out of fear drops the gun just lets it go and the predator like you know and he gets to live yeah the predator maybe you just fucking screams and runs away I think so yeah the guy who realizes maybe this isn't worth it like like you know what I've had enough this is clearly not working I'm going to go home so let me see so we cut back to Nauru and Tabe and she's pulled the trap closer and she's got a little stone and she says I remember when there is a beaver in a trap or whatever and it had it to off its own leg in order to get out of the trap and this obviously really concerns Tabe because he's like what the fuck are you going to like to do your own handoff don't do that don't do that and then she's like nah I'm smarter in a beaver because she drops the rock in it to free to make the trap fun meme which is like yeah I guess you are that's right you are smarter than a beaver good for a little movie payoff I suppose but man if I were in the you know if we didn't have this tense dramatic scene happening I'd be like fucking why didn't you just explain that was the plan I can I can help and if I ruined it by pulling your hand away by being like no don't chop it that ruins our chance you know so you should probably tell me yeah I'd be like no you'll need that the hand or those fingers later you can't you can't do that unfortunately it like makes me again think like God you smug just really want to get the appreciation points don't you you would be like look at the plan I just came up with a degree it's like it told me the plan then I've already complimented you for your really good it's only a plan for you because you know it I'm watching this unfold in real time and it concerns me I have a spectator right now I am not a participant and you'll plaid I'm just good for my hands I don't think that like I think at this point especially on the second one she was like I get it movie she's clever okay having a say I'm smarter than a beaver it's like I don't we didn't need the bar high just got to drop the thing I think we don't even need the line it's code for the ages I'm smarter than a beaver I think it's kind of a persistent problem in the film where it's like you we didn't need the line like we got it I got it like you don't need to tell me like you just dial back a little bit it would just make such a difference and we come to possibly the worst scene film maybe maybe what of what of them right yeah yeah summarize it right I yeah so the the Frenchman they're shooting at the predator they just can't oh there's having a terrible day predator is jumping from he he presses his buttons right he's got his little um he's got his little arm thingy and he goes beep boop boop boop and he's running around and he sort of the like he's activating something like he's doing something with it yeah any in all these Frenchmen are up they're shooting at him as he's going through the trees oh my goodness gracious um and it turns out that the predator has left behind this is gauntlet essentially he's dropped his gauntlet in the middle of all these guys and so what they do is all but one of them I think they're just like oh my gosh what is this is this loot or is this free items that we could just have um and it's beeping and making noises how about that isn't that interesting aren't we curious and then three discs rise up from the gauntlet and they floated around eye level and then it is at this point that the French think to themselves we should leave and it's too late now because these are like a mines that follow people and explode or something yes um this thing is not your friend anything that it leaves you is not a gift yeah I was trying to be so generous when I first saw this of like how barren this really you could stay there for a while right you could end up staring like here and it's like oh man I don't know man it comes from the thing that he's been trying to kill you it's weird high-tech alien it's just dropped something near you you'd sprint away from that an instant you'd be like that's got to be a grenade grenade grenade it's got to be something alien grenade you compare it to what we saw at the beginning when um they were like confused as to the red dots I think it's a lot more believable to be confused oh yeah red dots especially when you you've not even seen the predator compared to you've just been in a fight with him and he's left a weird thing here like a weird device they want to come on to get the fuck out of here but also is this fair is it fair to use this against these guys well I think this is the last of us new all the weapons are done with this so we can now talk about that if you'd yeah this seems particularly unfair compared to the fact that instead of the plasma cast or it's like you know arrows I think it's fine because he clearly only pulls this out when he's being attacked by probably like 10 of them with ranged weapons like it's the one off they are shooting at him as he's jumping through the trees that's true shooting that's true yeah that's what I was thinking as well I'm actually pretty happy to defend most of the predators choices ever and I think this because it's really hard to be definitively critical of anything they ever do because ultimately what they choose to use and when they choose to use it I can probably argue that it's like it's going to be dependent on his feelings at the time and what he perceives to be fair because ultimately some people very cleverly you guys are so smart when you do this very proud of every last person who points this out gets invisibility these guys don't predators aren't fair like okay so clearly the predator thinks that that's fine that it's on the level that he gets to have invisibility while his enemies do not sometimes you know you could fight a fucking chameleon they kind of come across that way and as we've seen a large number of the animals have identified him and still are able to attack him even when he's cloaked he so like you have to run with the I think that this film probably does a better job of that than a lot of the predator movies have in terms of like he'll yeah clearly like like take the bear for example he goes at that with his fists at first exactly he pulls out his claws to fucking look at the hell up and the same goes for the wolf for you mentioned that one earlier like with them with these French lads seems like the fight opens with him using the spear and the claws once he's hit with the bear traps still using he's still even going with like he's still just stabbing them but there's a couple of range bits and bobs but once it gets to this point and he's like got loads of them all firing at him it seems to me that he's just like all right fuck you I'm going to use my really good ranged weapons to yeah yeah yeah reporting might well be determined by how he's feeling at any given time exactly just the kill how well got high enough he and unlocked his ultimate the only concern I have for like the balance aspect is that the predator is aware of how insanely resilient he is to damage which automatically it puts him at just he's just like a super powered creature in comparison to human beings and it's already at a base level way way way above like 20 against one in this case I like is yeah an element of it in this in this scenario certainly it comes back to the like to could those those two Indians in the woods could they have they have killed me could they have hurt me really you know there is there is that element of I'm unfamiliar to write as well someone's just highlighted except the whole point of why it can be invisible is because he isn't bulletproof so hiding and stealth are what he uses until this movie where he is bulletproof I guess so first of all this until this move first of all his prey aren't bulletproof either so that doesn't establish a fit it's not like you say since I'm not bulletproof I get to be invisible that's not how that's not what we call everybody's not bulletproof yeah so so that's where the predator was actually bulletproof would be the predator yeah that's true he was literally bulletproof in this he takes shit tons of damage he seems to have a very large health bar that's that's all I can move from this the invisibility genuinely if you were to able to have an actual discussion in terms of what's sporting and you said to him don't you think it's a lot less sporting that you're invisible in the first film I'm sure he would be like nah I feel like this is fair there's a lot of them they have really good weaponry that can mince me up easily I feel like having invisibility is just you know it's a trait I have it's a trait they don't have if you said okay what about this movie like yeah I still feel like it's relatively balanced as far as I'm concerned you'd be like it's clearly not Mr. Predator and you'd be like yeah well you know what that's your opinion and that's fine you can think that but also I just this movie this movie establishes him as bulletproof yes bullet-resistant certainly very bullet-resistant but I'm like where I don't know man did you guys watch Predator 2? exactly he just walks towards Bill Paxton in the subway that's true he tanks like 15 shotgun shot in the shotgun yeah guys he this Predator 2 is weird he takes like three full clips of from from Bill Paxton magazines magazines right sorry you know what that yeah sometimes in my head I'm like it's definitely that's it to account for which one it isn't I end up thinking it is the one but yeah he's firing at him and it's just like going and it's just like oh and I guess I'd accept that if it were hitting his helmet only but it's not but it's not hitting his chest and then later on he's hit with a shotgun and it goes straight into it and it's like hey he's back when it in the he tanks all those shotgun shells and he's still not dead and he's still not dead it's not he's full that he's bulletproof I would say Mr. Chatham when he when he tanks like five shotgun shots to his belly wouldn't you say that's more damage than the guy in this movie even takes from any gun yeah wouldn't you say wouldn't you agree so yeah one second but I think the ricochet off the mask isn't too bad yeah I'm well I'm fine with the idea that the mask is uh able to you know bulletproof yeah but I'm fine with where it ricochet isn't like this is yeah so what I'm guess I'm concluding on the oh he fights fair does he it's like he fights uh trying to it would be like I don't know best example I can give I suppose if you're like excellent at cooler duty and you're you'll little baby cousin is like I'll play and you know and you can handicap it so that he gets given 1000 health while you don't you'll do that sometimes and then you know you're you're a lot older cousin comes in and they're like oh can I play and you're like oh well can you move the handicap down to like get plus you get forth forth the 400% hell and then so you know friend of yours who's just as good as you you're like oh you don't get to have any how you know and I so I think the predator sees it he doesn't it's there's no real fight that's necessarily fair if you put a predator against a bear and you say right so what's fair now and it's like well the predator can't have invisibility because that would be unfair to the bear but like well but they're both built completely differently it's already unfair yeah what is the nature well what is fairness when we're talking about two different like species I think the I think the very different immutable attributes is cloak as part of his basic traits I would say so and I think that's okay yeah and the but what I like about the end of predators it seems like he really does gun for the whole right we've been fighting for a while this has been a whole ordeal I'm going down to nothing I'm going to have just my arms and fists against you and when I beat you my god yeah that's going to feel great which is yeah it's the same as being like right I'm going to be cool do you willed at war and I'm not going to use it I'm going to fight on veteran I'm going to use my pistol that's it you know the people do that kind of challenge all the time course and that's how I think the predator operates and if it were like you know as it does in this movie on lots of the other ones where it's things stuck in a little bit more difficult I think it will be like all right I'm pulling out my other thing now fuck this which we do all the time and in certain challenge mode the different things or different rules getting broken and stuff assumed rules and I just think it makes the predator so much more interesting than than so many of the other movie monsters we get to deal with oh yeah yeah it's not just a stupid beast who wants to kill you I just hunting you yeah it's because yeah if someone had said yeah why didn't he just use his little shooty spear things on the beer and like yeah I think that's a good example of how the predator was like I'd like to try see if I can beat him myself instead of using that little gun yeah so and we have if anyone else wants to add to that feel free but if not I'm gonna carry right along with our movie because we're in the home stretch somewhat so Nauru says that she has to go get sorry sorry and the the dog because the French have captured her dog and sorry Tommy goes to get horses so she goes back at camp and they're a panicking French they're gathering supplies up I suppose they're trying to get whatever they can of value and then scram because there they've had enough of this like that now apparently I don't have the I don't know what they're saying specifically again with the subtitles apparently it's very important that they kill this dog yeah my impression for the body language is we're all we're packing up and we're leaving either take the dog with us or kill it also something you know like do you want to look after the dog and then he's like oh no but I agree with probably what you're about to say which is really really now we do you kill the dogs okay it's a little loose it's a little run maybe there's something I'm missing here like is it maybe the subtitles really do explain it like one of them says I am so damn hungry and he's like dog oh no maybe mercy kill so but you just let him go right he wouldn't I guess maybe if you believe that letting him go he'll just die anyway like he won't have a chance so it's just you know I think they're just cartoon evil I have a problem what they're going for it makes it makes it easier to not care when they get killed which I yeah can we at least all agree on the fact that right before she kills all of them they had one of them be like I'm going to kill the dog okay yeah right okay you want us to hate that's definitely a way to get the audience back on her side they should already be on his that's the problem yeah it has been over an hour all right so Nauru is in the the camp hiding out and when they try to kill the dog she attacks and we get what I think is a pretty weak fight scene honestly I'm not at all the only compliment I have was done in one shot and some of it has okay bits in it but for the most part it's bullshit this is all the parts that are really silly pretty bad I am not keen on this fight scene at all I don't believe it she comes out I think pretty much unscarred totally these are all adult men they should have guns around they out number her I don't know why she is so good at combat where did she get her experience to do all of this stuff I don't know why we my son and Dyson and flipping and she's apparently strong enough to stab a knife all the way through as someone's skull and like damn yeah don't like this don't like this at all feels to me like they wanted to have a big action scene that's over as opposed to doing what was obviously the correct decision which is you know one of them is like I'm just putting my putting my shoes in my bag here's a la la la la la oh my neck there it goes she's got it with a knife there it goes and then she's runs behind the tent while he pulls over and then you know maybe even doesn't alert anybody but let's just say he does he goes blah blah and she runs around the tent some guy runs up and goes oh god what's happening some guy further in the back is looking around like whoa what's happening ah he gets stabbed in the back then because she's already moved around the camp so that's two down two left and you know as she's trying to kill the third one the fourth one sees it and that's where things get tense because now he's seen you so you're not going to be able to sneak attack him and you get the one on one fight that's real fucking close she just comes through maybe because at that point she's got in the dog free and that helps her out but why did you make a broad mode to take on four guys it's even why did you do that it's so hard to believe especially with a magical stupid ass axe it just seems ill advised given what direction you seem to be heading in with regard to how she's going to prevail in the end yeah like beat somebody in like a direct one-on-one confrontation she has to be more she can't rely on that she has to rely on her different skills the skill she has that unique to her just seems yeah in addition to all of that I have an extra note is this her first kill of a person that might be it might be a I would imagine this is probably right I imagine this is probably the first time that she's killed a person are you bringing this up does all of these back to back you bring this up to say like it should have some effect on her I mean there's that there's the fact that she seems to be so good at it and she's really bloodthirsty just throwing stuff and stabbing people through the face and going full ham on it and I was like wow you went from never killing anyone and you have no reason probably to practice any sort of like combat actually but like wow we we have ramped up ourselves someone someone bought some experience hunter right not a warrior yeah this yeah feels completely out of sync with the hunting this is this is just a bloodthirsty battle it's like don't we we have our cool action scene here everybody's like yeah I would they needed to have Tabe doing this I believe that he can do it sure and even with even if he took if he did the exact same thing if she doesn't this whole fight I would still be advocating that it would have been better to have shown some intelligence and kill one he wouldn't be done enough to just like walk into a group like this give himself away and and just see you know though don't they have the they have the guns like no one uses a gun in this scene people when the Frenchman are out of out of the shot they're just sort of on pause for a moment you don't exist if you can't be seen you know like that's true that's true he legit like sees the axe is like if I get that I automatically win and it's like yeah that's true unfortunately kill kind of looks like she goes for the cameraman I do well I think that last one was particularly annoying that's the one when she like pulls it out and then it flies into the other guy and kills yeah don't like man I think she does that twice it's in a guy she pulls it out and the pull of it just have momentum and direction force yeah it's not just like how fucking lucky of you to be able to gank it out and that it just perfectly slides right back into the other person the other end that you do it again yeah it's bit stupid man I was way too easy on that fight when I talk about it yesterday were you nice to it? yeah it was very nice to it and now you point all these things like oh no that's actually even worse than I thought I mean actually thought it was fine because I was like oh yeah I guess she doesn't damage here and there and always has a thing to get away but now you point out oh yeah she's a hunter not a fighter it's like oh yeah that's that's kind of bullshit feels like they're they're doing this for other reasons mainly that how fucking awesome is she and it's like she can be awesome without being ridiculous yeah yeah that's absolutely yeah it's I just don't it's tough for me to believe you that she is real I think wasn't that our when we were watching this for the first time I think the law of us for like she killed like the first time we're like and then we're like eh I think we set nears like I guess that was fine ish or something I think I said I didn't like it it was it didn't it didn't pass the smell test as we were watching it that first time and but especially the last kills I remember being like ugh that fuck oh yeah those lugs is like it's a magic axe I got a knife through an entire skull I was like man that right that takes a lot of force to do yeah well moving on she got the dog back moving on yeah she saves the dog that's good like glad he that she made it out okay which means then dog got separate from her by the trappers right yeah for some reason they picked up her dog without knowing that the dog is even with her because the dog wasn't wasn't with that way they were running away right yeah they were split up I guess yeah from the bear I guess it's just weird right they pick up the dogs like okay and then they're going to kill it we really need to know what that subtitle is like what do they say is the reason what is the reason man I just hate dogs how are you yeah the Cruella oh no oh no you think a dog killed their parents pushed him off a thing somebody sent me this Kara sent me this Oh, there was no we didn't record watching this some people asking will there be any fat movies they they were oh no no it wasn't much commentary it was more so just watching we do that we chill and watch a movie together because role friend so the next scene we have the predator healing himself he's got his little his little Healy pen and he he's got some bullet wounds and stuff in him and he gives himself the old the the the old spray and it helps heal up his wounds when he gets hurt pro tip about drawing parallels maybe move the two scenes of the the hero and the villain healing themselves in almost the exact same way at different parts of the movie so that we can then go hey did you notice how their two healing zines were very similar when you put them right next to each other I give you like a thumbs up like okay that's that's pretty yeah that's a thing yeah you know that's a thing but it's just like now this this I think a problem this movie has where it's just it not really willing to let you um sort of come to this stuff by thinking about it for a while it's like that that thanks some call it hand holding comes to drawing meaning I would say yeah I do prefer when I get to dig a little self but same time it's all right still like I said thumbs up still um so she's putting some stuff on her cut from earlier and as she is doing that she hears the cock of a gun turns out Raphael has he had his had his foot taken off by the predator when he threw that thingy at him back in the back in the back in the fight so he's made it back late to the camp makes sense he gets here last and he he's got the gun pointed at her it's cocked and loaded and everything and her reaction to this kind of bugs me now she stands up quickly and grabs her tomahawk it's like wow that's a great way to get shot um but no that's that's what that I assume so and I assume so after all of that and he's pointing at her and like I think so after all that that they've been looking at but if not I mean she does say I mean I assume so because Raphael says if you heal me I'll tell you how this works so guess so she's like yes so it relies on her knowing what that is uh and so they they strike a little deal he's got a wound he says you have medicine if you fix my leg up heal my leg I will teach you how to use this gun which is fair enough I'll show you says I'll show you how to use this yeah it's a fair deal that's good knowledge to have he's got what he's got so as she heals him she puts the she takes off the little predator stick thingy that's something that she has now she's got the predator the slicey thing mm-hmm as she heals him puts the stuff on the wound and everything he verbally explains how to load a black powder weapon um I would say this is not sufficient wait doesn't he doesn't he show her? and then he only shows her the very last part or like you know he like drops yeah he at the very end he he shows her the little pan with a powder and that sort of thing the striker and he's like you gotta put it here and that's it that's the only part that he's sort of and he doesn't even show he points to a location okay but he just he verbally explains how the process is done in in exact terms definitely feels like something that ain't gonna work out for a reload the he ain't gonna be able to reload that bro it's so confusing to hear even I remember even thinking about it myself I was like could I load it's like I'm familiar with the fact that there's no powder and the the the ball and the the little padding and stuff but like I don't I don't know that I and even so considering what I know from all the movies I've seen of them getting loaded on top of what he just told her I'm still not confident I'd be able to load one of those properly to the point that I could fire if you if you gave me a table with all of the components necessary I'd probably be able to do it but that's if you gave me all of the components necessary and just presented them to me and I just had to figure out the order in the technique in the manner that it's done just from sort of watching it in media and whatnot and saw demonstration at Jamestown once or but or sorry Williamsburg but well that's one point out in chat prestige is probably the film I'm thinking about the most because there's and he's explaining the bullet catch explains how to load the gun I think that's one of the most straightforward and it's shown you know with the going and probably the I just I'll rewatch that and then I'll be all right so I yeah pretty scant information nice gun though nice gun that Raphael's got and as after she's sort of heals him up a bit she gives him the orange to see a flower yes it returns it makes a come back and at once he starts to have the same sort of a little bit of convulsion his hands are like the and he feels really really so this is where we have to talk about setups and payoffs and executing them because the predator walks into camp and Raphael plays dead now that he's been giving the orange to see a and it and now learns here that it cannot see him after he takes the herb so like it's set up as a thing that's part of the world in the universe that it makes you that cold that it cools your blood and it makes you feel very cold like I get it you set it up you it was used in previous you know adventures and what not and now we're starting to get our payoff for her using it essentially as she'll use it soon it's just one of those like yeah like I can't believe that's a thing that an herb can actually do make you that cold but yeah that's where the point where he takes it to when the predator shows up does a minute even pass well well it's been shown that it was extremely like even even if you took a lot longer you have to accept that the predators heat vision because if it makes you to a certain like if it if it gets you cold enough you're going to die so like it would have to be cold enough that you're still alive but also well sorry warm enough that you're still alive but cold enough that it doesn't appear on his heat sensor so you just kind of have to presume that his heat sensor is calibrated to a very specific temperature but otherwise yes it was set up and then paid off and will be paid off but you know eventually so it's kind of like eh I think the thing breaks a different rule it's establishing an item that should be an impossibility if it brings your temperature as low as your like as low as the ground around him he's just dead yeah then you're dead so yeah you have to make that big buy-in to the premise which is just not happening it's it's the film knows what his heat vision is as I said yeah it's not that sensitive maybe no it's incredibly sensitive so much so that even a minor change in temperature say that like once I'm saying you'd have to make it super unsensitive for this right to work out at all but it seems I mean he's I mean they show it during the film they show him when he's looking at stuff when Luke's looking at people when he's looking at critters in the wild it works pretty darn good it does seem to I think they I think they want us to believe that that's how cold your body gets which is just like oh you can't do that I'm sorry that's thought you don't want to even if you tell me that's how it works that's just can't have that it's the example you used to use all the time was a married bachelor from you I think you like you tell me that's in your wills like you can't have that you can tell me you have that but you can't have that it internally it doesn't make any sense what am I supposed to make of this what you you surely you are referring to something else when you say those words it's like almost like a joke name or something for yeah and you have to then conclude they brought this in because they want to have their cool things that they're going to do with it but it's just like sorry guys there's a reason why like we haven't had this in a predator movie before where you you do a thing and it makes your body temperature go to you're internally because they would kill you like there's a reason they don't do you know predator one man everyone just wants to recapture the magic and it's really hard because that movie so fucking good and like I almost want to pat him on the head and be like like I get it you're one you're one yeah like they tried to do something it's just it needs tweaks that's the thing a lot of of the two they had those suits in that particular area that part was weird but like it's a weird option everyone wants to because that's the thing right every time you're going to predator movies like I need to pay off the whole honor killing stuff in a different way that everyone else has I need to pay off the invisibility and sort of finding him in a way I need to pay off the I need to do the final fight in a different way than everyone else has done it but still maintained within the rules like you want to want to try and be a bit special I know but this wasn't it sorry yeah nice try though I guess yeah I mean it is like nice try you knew things to do you knew what to do to establish mechanics earlier on and then happen to come later in ways that enhanced and improved the story and lead lean into the character development you're doing but of course you know you didn't you didn't you didn't just pull it out of your ass but no you didn't but so let's been done let's pop in it a dentine ice dentine ice nothing's colder than ice did you guys have do you have dentine ice over in Australia and Wales in Germany I've never heard of that before we have ice all right yeah ice my freezer even ice all right well you're halfway there it's like a a super pepper early it's like a mint gum and you know how mint gives you that kind of cool feeling in your yeah mouth so they'd have these commercials or you're like ah cool as ice and and they'd take the gum and they they like cold shit what happened dentine ice would be it's one of my memories from my childhood on airwaves is that a is that a national international brand I don't even know airwaves airwaves at least that's what the gum is called the company's probably something else no no Disney or something I'm not familiar with airwaves but those are like those strong gums that give you that but chewing this five gum this is what it's like to chew five gum yeah is the orange that's a brand called five gum um and airwaves well whatever happened to four gum this is what it feels like to chew well I'm not there anti that was the old formula it's new and improved now it'll be six soon one of these days they'll find a way to improve the formula they'll be chewing six all right next up Raphael plays dead as the predator enters the camp and like how he does it he just kind of goes limbs like oh yeah he says this one looks kind of and I'll be completely honest I was like at this point I was like hope this guy makes it out feel kind of bad I couldn't do to I hope not for him he's he's sort of been nice to her kind of he's in a really bad place he's willing to make a deal with her he only could go through all that troubles limped all the way back to camp with a foot you know like I hope things to work out for him he worked so hard to survive he really did yeah predators looking around we see predator Hito vision and always easy stand he's basically right on top of Raphael but his body is it's cold enough they just can't see it huh anyways the predator turns to leave he steps on I guess his leg and Raphael's like ow fuck that hurt that was his last mistake was don't complain well though it's the predator I feel like I can't blame him I if he was screaming that loud of being stepped on it was probably like horrifically painful or are you about to say that there's been disagreement and discourse well I would rather say what it is and then see what you're not allowed to say anything and neither am I so okay this is bullshit why is the predator killing him he's defenseless you yeah is kind of annoying is it is it because he was um like did he get surprised by him when he's right below him I mean he's like stepping on the guy and the guy screen interesting that's your best thought and I'll explain why that's a much thing soon but I just wanted to make sure everyone gets a chance yeah yeah that's what I was well saying to I was like what I said he gets spooked is like oh shit was this and just fucking steps that whatever it is let's see I don't I have to check did he have the gun on him I don't think he did let me no he wasn't doing anything he was lying that trying to yeah I'm just double check and just trying to survive basically let me see yeah I is yeah that's I guess that would be my first thing that I go to though um it's been said by people here in there that's like no reason to kill this guy mean old predator and breaking your rules meanwhile I would say the predator is probably got a decent enough memory to know that all the people were attacking him earlier that he did throw that thing at one of them and if that was like he I think you can piece together this guy is one of the people that escaped he didn't kill them all and that doesn't mean you get to be spared if you try to kill the predator and fail and then run away I don't think the predator spears you I think he fucking kills you but if that's not good enough you as a reason I think it's more than reasonable enough that the predator seems to react in terms of killing him it doesn't seem to be like a aha a defenseless being I will execute you it seems more like what the fuck is this noise what is what is happening here there's something beneath me I can't even see I'm stabbed this like what is this predator turns off his alarm clock yeah seems obvious to me that the predator just is that video right on twitter you probably has probably seen it like some guys get interviewed and then behind him there's like a bin and someone jumps out of the bin goes blah and the guy just like punches him straight away yeah it's the kind of thing where I would relinquish all responsibility from that bad in terms of just like look that was that was as a reaction is what you touch a hot stove you just go just like it's done it's probably done before you even know what you're doing now I mean just think about when a fucking fly flies in front of your eyes and goes like oh you just go wiggle around with your hands yeah the predator that but we should not treat the predator like a terminator with the rules of fairness where neither us you'll probably be like if you jump out and go blah he's probably gonna go about fuck what is this if you go blah yeah the predator panics at the end of all of our e-fabs that seems like a meme where you've got Jeremy and then the predator's like dude I'm gonna punch you again all right hopefully the worst is my blah sauce is at all I know you're not a threat but you're going to surprise me you know exactly I live I live a high-stress life maybe maybe Jeremy is a big threat to to friend of them maybe he's right so yeah all about yeah I think this kill is absolutely fine I have no problem with this yeah no no I think my only commentary is aww yeah for that guy I wanted him yeah I wanted him to be all right he seems a likable reasonable if you see sympathize with his situation if he had survived and then afterwards relayed that relayed the information but evidently that thing didn't see me or what have you versus her just peeking around the tree and piecing it all together real fast I don't like at all she he looks that looks over that looks down at a thing and that goes it can't see him it's like oh oh oh it's a little more credit movie please I implore you I get it don't yeah come on if to be honest with you we all figured it out the second they established there's a thing in this world that puts your body temp to zero whatever it's like oh okay if I did um like screen test and someone's like I don't understand like why she did it's like thanks man you you ruin everything you're the reason everything you're like understand sorry I just didn't get it I don't know I wish I kind of wish Raphael made it in the opening like narration was in a French accent like that was him like he's telling the story back harm and then by the time you reach the end is like oh that's why we had a French guy do the opening thing oh okay and you're like oh it's Raphael my goodness I guess he if you paid attention you remember the voice you'd be like oh he makes it um let me see so sorry comes back to bark at predator Tabe comes back on his horse he rides in all right right before yeah this is actually a genuine question because this is just what I thought where the fuck was the dog this whole time why is he only now arriving what's going on I don't know it just ran away and then came I guess he was hanging I don't know well we get a little bit of a time jump between the fight and her healing herself so the dog could just be wandering around hanging out it's just it's just around see the dogs wander a bit they want to check things out new places new people I just can't help but say that if the dog were in this scene before the predator arrived up till now like maybe now yeah changes a lot of things you know that is true that is true it's Elizabeth release on too far so my guess is she freed the dog from the camp and then it just kind of went around the scorched earth smelling the dead butts for a while yeah just wanted to see what's going on what did I miss wow what happened over here Jesus Christ wow I I don't oh wow look at this this is interesting I'm gonna go back this shit's crazy so yeah sorry it comes back to bark at the predator to the predator sort of has its gun trained on it like it's going to shoot him and then before it can fire we have Tabe rides in on the horse that he said he was going to get and he comes by and he knocks predator on the head and his helmet flies off and then when the predator shoots the little dart the arrow it goes to where the that goes to where the red dots are pointing at a tree yes that's like and like and like an arc like arcs around the yeah it seems to go moving in Nauru's head well my issue is that Nauru can't see this yeah it is outside of her it's it is on the other side of a tree yeah Oh is it really yeah she's there's like a double tree with two trunks she's behind them and the red dots are just like they want us to believe that she is able that she can't see it directly she can put enough puzzle pieces together from like the sound of it slamming into the tree seeing the mask is pointing at the tree but she doesn't actually see I think this is an element of someone for getting that characters do not see through the camera we see through that's I think that's what it is likely to me so like a way that she could see just a laser pointers just a laser pointer in the direction because you can see them from the side right noticed or I don't know this is where she gets the idea because he fires each one individually and each one goes to one of the dots and that's how she pieces it together that's how she knows it even though we kind of already knew this or at least she she sort of she sort have should because she pushed it's me down when they were in the field to so to save his life sure that like my presumpt that it didn't go straight to the laser was like the laser is the aimer in the same way that you put laser on a gun yeah it's not that's very true you know like if the laser it's going there as long as you're aiming there as opposed to it tracks specifically yeah that's that's probably what it is you're probably right um like at first yeah a little tism with the camera she shouldn't technically see it like again in the movie knew it to do but she can't actually technically see it okay um so this is where we see our predator unmasked yeah let me take a look let me scooch back here I guess you can get a at least I think so I think this is the part where it happens yeah yeah you do get a good shot of yeah the mask gets heated off so you can yeah the voice I like his look I like it a lot I like this predator look I like all yeah looks good I like that it's a a new but familiar design to it I dig it plenty of people do not I don't know what really to say on this subject I just yeah I mean I guess that's like a subjective thing right so if you don't like to look like I guess nothing you can do about it right that's it yeah yeah I mean it's I think it look good he screams his mandibles come open good stuff now Tobi's riding around making noise hooting and hollering look at me look at me the predator I guess he's aiming without his helmet so he misses those times or the arrow is sort of deflecting like the path of it is kind of skewing it to the side and as he's riding around he shoots some arrows at it he's drawing all of its attention Nauru is loading up the gun that she has the gun from the Raphael's gun through with his instructions was it not loaded no she is trying to she has to load the first time and it just went click she she is loading it as she's hiding behind a tree what I'm saying is like I figured Frenchman had it loaded but I guess he didn't I guess he didn't Oh I see what you mean which which means it was what a because hey man he arrived there having the gun out aiming at her right I think he probably would have because it's yeah especially without a leg it's like you're gonna want everything you can get at that point I think the same could also be applied where there's out there you got your leg you're your primary goal is to just get back get away get back to camp if you don't even have fighting in your mind you're just trying to get away it could work both ways I feel and if someone points a gun at me I'm gonna assume it's loaded so I think it checks out but I guess not because she has to load it and she has all the components necessary for it on hand and her the the the cloth the ball the the whole thing and she starts to assemble it as Tabe is fighting with the predator and then she loads it comes out from behind her tree gets behind the predator and then goes to shoot and it doesn't go off it just clicks and nothing happens she has not loaded it correctly which is what's going to happen if you don't get good instruction on how to load one of these things I imagine so I would be far more upset if it actually went off and she was able to accurately load it so I like that so when she let me see she loads get you know so she has to yell to get the predators attention and it doesn't Tabe yeah it does she gets the predators attention Tabe has brought with him the spear from the forest so the one that impaled the dude's head I think that is the last time we saw it and the one that I guess the predator didn't retrieve himself I suppose he got it before the predator could go and get it I think we're supposed to assume that yeah yeah I assume the timing there is it's it's kind of up in the air but Tabe saw they so both saw that spear Tabe's like I'm taking that shit and he does and he is able to land a very considerable like spear hit through the predator from the horse well this like jumps office horse and stuff I'll be a strong as fuck apparently this little sequence is kind of exactly what I would like to be it looks like he is frying his fucking hardest actually require him to move to them thus giving him distance from the predator like that's just a good idea and it's only when the predator closes the distance himself that Tabe has to actually fight him one on one right next to him seems like you he's got the smartest approach out of basically anybody we've seen in this film someone had said a camera who was but like ah they give her all the hero moves they don't even like you know can't be anyone else I was like nah fuck that he has the best predator fight he's right here he has the best fight for sure yeah if the if in another version of this film the predator died from this I wouldn't be surprised because he stabs him with the special spear like it's supposed to be yeah like it's the predator's own weapon you know that that's a big deal um so he stabs him with his own spear he even hits him with an arrow right in the butt no it isn't it's in the back right in the back ah you see the blood come out and God yeah the predator like the spear comes comes apart and he's got his weapons now and that first strike he goes for on tawe he probably dodges it and then grabs the arrow he's already put in him and pulls it back out just has more ammo and it's a weapon it's just like good stuff I like it yeah this is the kind of thing I like and I believe it coming from him when he does it I believe it she ah Naro is trying to reload the gun again um I wonder if there would be something else she would she be throwing axes or something but she's I guess she thinks that this is a particularly strong weapon very potent yeah in her mind that's what she thinks chance maybe yeah so she's trying to load that up a second time tawe's fighting the predator and it turns invisible during this fight as it's always fighting it and then the both of them stand around looking for it where did it go when I was referencing earlier this is the one I do not like he's got several big wounds looks like he's literally holding on to an arrow that's in him and he goes completely invisible to the point where there's not even a distortion just the best kind of invisibility you could possibly ask for I don't believe the shield would work this way at this point you've got plenty of bits exposed there is liquid ripping out of you a lot of drops you should yeah like yeah it should never be this good and tawe the reason I'm annoyed is that tawe should have a target to deal with it shouldn't be that you get to go completely visible and gone how is earned it damn you you don't have he really did now it's going invisible they don't know where it is they're in the camp they're looking around he's got his bow she's got the gun and then tawe realizes that oh I think it's close because he says this is is the ghost he says run now this is as far as I go no more this is it because he thinks the writers have kind of not pretty much yet because it's not it's not quite where I would like it to be something that someone just mentioned it's like oh fuck yet the predators blood glows man you're not losing track of that bitch it's running and you're gonna see it you're gonna see it no matter it doesn't matter if it's got his cloak on if it's being that much though um it really did feel like the as you just said the writers kind of were like work we're running out of timecode tawe's gotta go and it's like do we have to can we get rid of her he's so cool not quite I'm trying to think is it as bad or not as bad as in Predator 2 when the Predator just kind of ducks out of frame and then wait when does which which are you talking about right right at the opening when Harrigan sees him like immediately on the rooftop and is like what the heck is that thing Predator is like I can't kill the main character right away so he just ducks out of frame and that's that no that's because yeah the the Predator he doesn't kill him because he like he notices him from earlier and I think there might be like he's taken an interest in him yeah I think the film tries to go with the angle of the Predator keeps around Harrigan through is the instant invisibility in the middle of the fight worse than just ducking out of the frame and Predator two or is the Predator two one where so they had about the same has is I think Harrigan is so like what in the world am I looking is that even anything or am I just is it just really hot you know like what's good doesn't he say like I'm like I'm I'm seeing things or I'm going crazy like like that at least you have that with this it's like I just don't like the able to happen this way it looks cool it's just the I'm sorry you haven't established his invisibility to be that good it's it's that good yeah Ash is doing it off like if enough ashes keep hitting it over and over then it'll just it can't I guess it can't deal with all those little things and it just turns them off so he tells Nauru to bring it home and then when Tabe turns around to try and hit it with an arrow it stabs him the Predator stabs him with this claws this is where I mean this is why we break everything up on e-facts we want to try and point out what we're praising and what we're criticizing because like in the middle of the middle of the middle of the moment the idea that Tabe is already knows he's dead not because like that we're just waiting for the Predator to decide something probably knows that the second I move going to kill me because it's thinking is like like like a steak crack or something like a yeah that's what clues that it's behind him so that means now that you know Predators has the Predator can kill him at any point so yeah why is just like specifically as well he's identified me as the person he wants to kill not you so now's your chance to use that to get away uses your opportunity every group and then bring it home he's yeah so he is before he dies though he's able to get one last hit on him it wasn't enough that still didn't kill him even though there's too big spiky things going through him point of interest before that happens is the fact that the Predator seems to be giving her the chance to make the decision to pull the trigger yeah yeah which again I really feel like if you follow all of the everything in the movie up to this point I think this Predator really is like are you a threat to me or not because it's like it's not entirely been clear to me yeah like make a decision but yeah before she can decide if she's pulling that trigger or not Tavi does get another hit yeah he he takes off the the wolf skull from earlier he pulls that off of the Predator's little trophy rack and he stams him in the leg with it that he does yeah that was set up but that was there yeah you think Tavi is dead but then he gets another Chad moment right there come on us he is to Chad as Chad yeah so unfortunately goes on that it is unfortunately this is the end of him Predator goes on now runs away which means red con revive him exactly we are saying somehow she survived the next scene is her washing up at a nearby river she's getting the blood and everything off of her and she's sad and I'm glad they had her being sad that's good something yeah that's good not very long isn't there also it's also a scene where like someone tells some other I'm actually not quite sure who it is well yeah apparently they couldn't forget it what it's like the secondary main character you know they really yeah thank fuck they got this yeah but basically someone is clearly I think they spliced this up as well to make it seem as though it's something she's thinking about yeah but like someone comes back and I don't know who it is and tells her that the guy is done so so I I don't know who it is this is what I'm confused about that's a good question I'm not actually sure who that would be maybe wait no I was about to say maybe that's like someone of his party but doesn't make sense because they were both trapped by the Frenchman so yeah I have no clue what it is I don't I really don't know I'm not sure either but I suppose they could piece everything together eventually by just checking out everything that happened eventually find his body whoever looks into this you know yeah yeah because we don't really get a timeframe when this happens I guess Oh yeah but as far as I know it's it's a day's time I yeah yeah the dog it just wait where did he go just chilling even alone because that fight is happening he's not here you'd think what the dog doing you'd think the dog might have because that's the other thing the predator will go after that dog he's just packed away as you can't do sorry be the dog we never should have worried about the dog but everyone did because it's just like don't you don't you hit that dog to be honest with you they were probably like would never hit the dog the dog stayed alive we kiss come to it yeah we want people to like us the reason I certainly want to highlight this by the way is there's a reason why people were baffled by the dogs logistics in this movie it's just like there he goes again you're like kills everywhere yeah oh he's back oh and he's gone you know she's morning and and the dog is up again the next day because remember she sleeps yeah by the the river she's I guess she's tired and she sleeps and when she wakes up the dog is there she wakes up there the next day I thought it was just she was resting to like the sun is starting to go down well I guess it's either the next day or that and I guess it's that night she sleeps until that night yeah that's what I thought yeah um and once she wakes up by the stream with the dog we have um she sees a sees a Frenchman washing up a bit the dittiest fatest grossest one of all like the king of the gross Frenchman yeah he is the biggest also yeah earlier on in the fight he's the one who ran away from the little mines he's the one he's the fourth one who had who'd ran away when no one else did the bearded bastard who killed all the buffalo while smoking his cigars you don't like him he was quite he's very much a jerk he's a super jerk that boss that Frenchman so she goes and she she kind of gets her idea for the final fight and she ambushes him knocks him out and it like actually just runs up and beans him on the head with a rock yeah she just comes up behind and hits him with a rock is like this no time for finesse here we're just gonna come up behind into so she makes camp at night and she essentially so I guess well actually let me use the Lou before we get into this because we're we're pretty much just about at the end of the movie yeah we're getting real close so I can't believe we're yeah we're at six hours yeah excuse me I know yeah I know also Deca nice you to hang in there man six hours a long time yeah good job fortunately Lou only wanted to walk once why you're feeding yourself and live life at some point I know that hopefully optional there's no living life on the internet priorities take care of the dog out of curiosity of has your has your view changed on the movie at all throughout the six hours of talking about it to death or compared to the beginning well I'm it's I am see more like yeah that that the fact that she is Hunter not Warrior that that fights while you know kind of fits the cool factor doesn't fit the believe ability factor nearly as much and she is kind of a cun I think that's the biggest take I had from my first to my second watch through and I think rags just sounds like he's saying something similar with that my first watch I was fine with here but I think it was more so because I was detecting the point they wanted to make as opposed to absorbing the character for what what she says and what she does yeah our biggest sort of my biggest frustration with her is yet to come we haven't actually gotten to it yet but I think we've made a good case for how what my biggest frustration with her is going to be is kind of in line with who she is throughout this movie I don't dislike the character I just think she's kind of a cut if I could separate it out into I mean I wouldn't be friends with her I think she's an asshole but I like I don't know you know I wouldn't translate that into a definitive I think I would just go as far as saying she's the I can understand at this point why so many people have told me they really didn't like the main character yeah like okay yeah I can how does it rank for you how did it move man is just this so much more going on in every other movie like this is a pretty simple movie yeah they do it they do well with what they have or the most parks but they're like the the fact that we're seeing everything from now is perspective does mean that you don't really have like the first movie you have every single characters very interesting to get to know and see how they evolve second movie about half of them are interesting and then there's just the crazy cartoony bad guys mm-hmm yeah Predators just it went a little it had too easy of a time trying to get the is here's how we can make this character stand out that character stand out some of them do actually like are memorable like the Akaza I did enjoy that I really did enjoy them with the Katana duel with Falcon I remember that was I I still absolutely love that part but despite them having such an easy time being like okay all of these characters will be unique and memorable most of them really are forgettable let's not talk about the predator mm-hmm yeah good I so yeah it's just Nauru has a good amount of depth her brother has a good amount of depth her mother has a decent amount going on you can see where these characters are coming for from the roof you look at motherfucker I don't really know I don't think he motivates him yeah I I see he doesn't like Nauru which at first viewing I was like oh he's kind of a jerk and now I'm like you know I I understand I understand where you come probably fit you had an opportunity to to punch her in the face and you took it and I respect that yeah I am back oh hey well maybe we'll we'll save if you can figure out right because we're pretty close to the end anyway so take it away rags what happens next alrighty so she gets her plan and her plan is it involves that that night she sets up camp and her idea is that she cuts off the Frenchman's leg with without what I assume is her little that matter how she does it she she can do it yeah she's a little predator thing little predator weapon that she has she still has it cuts off his leg part of it and is by a fire and she wants to get him essentially tricking him or luring him into being the aggressor towards her after it after he wakes up yes um so I have so I the idea here I assume is I'm I might be a little confused because I see this working her wants to get the person who's being the I guess before it actually plays out here also tell you what happens so he's very angry and he says French things not sure what he's saying it's probably very unpleasant he crawls towards her where she has this rifle by the fire he takes the rifle he loads it up he's being very angry and as he's loading the rifle now who is saying stuff like well the people don't think I'm a threat and that's why I'm so dangerous because people don't they don't they they're honest I'm unassuming essentially um the Frenchman gets his rifle loaded points it at her and he's like I'm gonna kill you and he pulls a trigger and nothing happens it's I guess she knows enough to even though he loaded it I guess she has rigged the rifle in a way that it won't go off which I'm like I don't know how she did it or what exactly she did that's the the issue I was going to bring up was like if he had just grabbed it and shot and it didn't work that's one thing but the fact that he personally seems to do things with it which means he would know what's like she sabotages it in such a way that he couldn't detect it but it does work that seems unlikely but like alright mm-hmm also yeah like all the things that were necessary to fire it were there so I guess the the powder and the she shot and the cloth and all that it's all there and he could get it it's not like a video game where you just reload out of nothing but uh might have been able to do to sabotage one of those would be to block the pan from being able to get to the reservoir inside of it however if she were to do that then still by firing the mechanism the flint would still hit the steel and still spark the powder in the pan which would cause a little flash I don't know how he knows enough to load it personally and think it's going to fire how does she know enough to rig the gun in a way that he doesn't notice after doing all of that it's uh when she fails a fire and he failed to fire both times the flint didn't even spark we're not so different you and I weird that might just be a movie thing where they didn't have it spark in the production but that's not good be with a drinker I know too damn much about guns this part is a little bit lame with how I think the the movie's whole point is said here and it's so unfair because it's I think got everything going for him to figure it out and then she just doesn't let you know that without telling you that herself she's like no one point is being made by this movie and it's not just the fact that it's revealing the point of the movie it's also that this character is so fucking up her own ass that she has to explain to her victim how awesome she is it's like a speaker language but she's like no you got to hear this yeah it's it's a bit cringe as far as I can at first time around I was fine with it because I was sort of thinking about what she was saying and thinking about how it meant but second time around I knew all of it so I could just take the scene for being characters saying things and I was like oh this isn't working for me at all like this is just I did my fiancee has been quoting her to me like you don't think I'm a threat that's what makes me dangerous but to be fair does she have a gun she's extra dangerous then if she has a gun she'll sabotage her in such a way we're in Texas of course she has a gun the wheelchair has guns attached damn pretty cool so this is something that logistically speaking people have been asking me about and I wasn't even sure of what you and I are probably on the same not page here I'm really certain how this is supposed to play out and what the intention of this plan really is in terms of how it works if we go with probably what explicitly is said she's made it so that she's done the correct kind of trap where she's created not a tied up bit of prey for a predator to come and kill she's got like a predator a fake predator ready to be used as it's like oh very very clever but in the original Arnie to get a predator to a vague area he fucking yells really loud for a while in the whole jungle and it just lights up the whole place and the predator's like what the fuck was that and heads in the general direction here she seems to just assume the predator is watching them I guess yeah she relies on it watching this here's a problem though her plan relies on the predator watching this interaction but not the part where she sets it up I guess not yeah or that the predator just doesn't understand what she's doing which is just kind of unfortunate in terms of its elegance but uh it's also kind of weird like I don't know if I'm supposed to interpret this as the predator knew she was there you could see her and him and then she took the little thing and disappeared on the predator's vision the predator was just like oh that's kind of weird or whatever I guess she's gone now and walks in to kill that guy and then does he just treat her in the same way as he treats a chair doesn't care about her or did he never know she was there because she took the thing right before he arrived and in which case like why would he have arrived I just you know what I mean like all of it I don't quite understand yeah the predator would have seen you taking it and even if it didn't you're next to a fire it's gonna heat you up yeah uh yeah I find the whole thing very strange I'm entirely sure what the thing was going for all I know is that the film was very proud of itself because it was like look it's a trap made to look it's actually a trap when it doesn't look like a trap but yeah so that's weird yeah and and she moves her um and she like as it's behind her she moves out of the way for it almost like the first time I watched this I thought the predator like didn't care that she was there it wanted to get her out of it just she stepped aside for it so it just walked by to kill him but then on the second viewing I was like oh it's like actually that the predator doesn't have any idea that she's there she's getting out of the way so it doesn't bump into her and notice her also remember how every time anyone took this orange they were like kind of shivering and almost cramping up she's just standing there like I think it's unfortunate that the makers of this would honestly tell you yeah she's used to she knows she knows what's up she's able to take it um no just yeah just know at least you could have argued this film had them shivering you know but then you just don't because James pointed that out to me it was like it was even like yeah this could have been just a thing of tension which he has to try to control like her breath or something so that she doesn't freak out with the cold and everything could have used it to your advantage and also the whole thermal vision like she's like right next to a big ass fire like this whole visor should have light up like crazy could have seen anything it's bouncing off of her and heats her up exactly yeah yeah that heat hits her and there's just like there's a hot thing here yeah she's pretty she's very close to it fire as well a lot of heat I live out in the sticks I set enough fires controlled fires they get hot and they make you hot from very far away yep exactly oh yeah this whole scene is just it's an A well I'm sorry but like I got so many complaints to come oh this this whole this whole ending is ugh so um a question his invisibility is not actively working because it's snowing oh man the squirt it seems to me that's what they're trying I have a genuine question I don't actually know they show that it's snowing they make sure for us to understand that it is snowing then they show him walking through it and I don't know if they're trying to tell us like see the snow kinda works in the same way that the ash does it's our play it kinda does it snow I guess it will snow in September if it's cold yeah cold enough I mean it seems to be coming from well above the trees when they show it like a like it doesn't seem to be that she's Jeremy like he doesn't use his invisibility at all in this fight right yeah as far as I know he doesn't and there's no moment where it doesn't like seem to work it just he just walks in and he's not invisible so I don't know why that's the case are we to presume then it's just incredibly fucking lucky it decided it's snowing right now I'm just frustrated because of the fact that I really liked how the predator liked heat it's a thing about the predator that I enjoy he's like oh he he enjoys really hot summers when it gets super extra hot like it is in Texas right now that's when you have to worry about predators so to clarify in case anybody's unfamiliar predator one and two they are explicit that these are incredibly hot places yeah it's a heat wave in the jungle and that's why with this movie the fact that it's gone to the point where it's snowing it's like wait what like what is this the predator type of preference for the heat go down they try to explain away the Antarctica thing like well it used to be hot there yeah oh AVP look at you go did you live around so yeah I don't know this is where I mean I'm very unhappy all the things we talked about I like I hate the coincidence of the snow I don't even think the snow should really I'm willing to buy the ash but like his envies can't deal with the flakes of snow I don't know they melt pretty quickly he's good with water so fine his invisibility doesn't work how lucky for you which so the next next yeah next so let's see so so she shoots it I guess before we even get to this part she shoots while it's at the fire she shoots it in the back of the head with a gun it knocks the helmet off she grabs the helmet and runs so question should that have killed the predator already or nay the fact that it went through his head because I was I was like maybe we can go with the whole thick skull alien creature we don't know how thick it is but it goes pretty much in there once established in the predator when they shot the predator dogs in the head getting shot in the head doesn't kill them it just makes them stupider yeah wait what there's so much predator lore I'm not aware of don't that's the predator that movie it creates a friendly dog I don't want to know any lore about that one I don't even want to so yes just shot through the head yeah this where I mean it feels like he has 100 HP and a shot to the head does like I don't know 40 damage 40 yeah okay that's around like fucking ow yeah a little bit you know she just sort of runs off after grabbing the mask and I'm already just like I think you should be dead now you know because like he's gonna turn around it's a lifestyle yeah like shots to the chest they're like okay super high pain tolerance very resilient I agree that he should be dead but I was also saying she should now be dead because even if she does run off real quick she's got his heat vision oh then again I guess she's invisible fake yeah would she get she should get hotter when she moves around no she's fine nah alright then that's fair enough I guess not allowed I just it's so lame the predator is one of the things I was praising about this movie when I first saw it I thought I'd have to see some real cool awesome predator stuff I would never have told you that was something I concluded from this next selection of moments yeah I feel like we just get a different predator now ooh which is sad because it's the final fight and the final fight in predator one manages to make the predator still badass as fuck Bonnie just outsmarts him in the last moment that's all and hey the predator still gets the last laugh in that fight so like he's you know we get this little gap of like she sets up the helmet somewhere who knows what that'll be she does yeah she sets the helmet up first some of the first things that happens is she sets up the helmet before the fight even begins and she's like got some sharpened stickeries that have clearly been tied to a thing you know like they're the two setup things we see yeah put some sticks on a tree some sharp sticks on a tree so that hopefully he'll jump at it and sets the helmet down now the traps have been prepared she puts the helmet on the rocks the predator follows a blood trail that she's made an obvious obvious blood trail then he gets to the end of the blood trail where the Frenchman's leg is and he's just looks around it's the same same strat from the beginning with the lion yeah it's kind of except the predator that it's a trap the predator is way smarter than a lion it's just not fair but is he smarter than a beaver no no clearly not in this scene he's not because he just gets to the end of the trail and he's like oh I guess I'll look around and so oh he's going here it takes like two steps back but then she's already eating herself off the thing right if you guys were like trying to pitch me say you just had a right in challenge you go to have it defeat this predator in a fight and she's jumping off it and she's like no no and they're like what do you mean no and it's like no that's fucking absurd first of all you see the distance here it is going to hurt like hell just to land on the predator let alone like whatever you're going to try and get up to doing and what he's going to do to you that is like huge risk you're taking her landing on the predator on her leg I got caught in the trap and just crumpling immediately like she flings into him so fast she just bursts into a cloud of flesh he's just like wait what the fuck whoa guess I'll win so yeah already a really bad start as far as I've considered the this like oh no but the fact that it's just all lining up so perfectly and then she gets one two three four axe hits into him man that predator is real fast already not a great start already and he throws her away imagine he grabbed her by a limb and just started doing what the Hulk did to Loki imagine that or a neck maybe well if he grabs her by the neck she's done rags of course that's never going to happen of course yeah I mean that's yeah you would never he's strong enough to fight a bear if he grabs her by the neck she's dead it would be really silly if they would do that hence the blessing it occurs blessing because it's so fucking way she's going to be able to take it it's Wong shopping off that guy's arm it's the same thing yep you've told us something that you can't untell us too late exactly yeah it's over it's over it's too late you did it to pack it up oh my god I just had this thought in my head a super chat was covered with the exact same thing shouldn't he lose her throughout this whole fight maybe he sees his own blood floating on her I don't fucking know but no he shouldn't he should be there's not really the pay there's not a payoff for the for her being invisible other than at the campfire that seems to be it I think that's it I think now she's absurd anymore because that's the greatest weapon against this guy in Predator 1 you need to be chugging that shit when Arnold makes himself invisible to the Predator they do go to paints to show that the Predators have a really hard time finding Arnold but they are detecting him through like motion see that he brushed against that fern that fern's going okay he's in that general direction dude it's fucking amazing and this is what I mean about that script being so underappreciated sometimes by a lot of people when they just say it's an awesome movie it's like no it's really well written do you remember the part where Arnie's throwing shit that makes sounds in other places and the Predator quick enough realizes someone's fucking with me and throwing this shit and it has like a triangulation calculating where and the shit he's detecting and figures he's probably over there first detects where the sound came from then realizing huh no that was a rock it had to be thrown let's see roll that back yeah it's really cool zoom enhanced there it is and like he does all that and then he fires enough and vaguely in the right direction that Arnie has to move and he jumps and he ends up in the water if you remember and that knocks out his ammo yeah because that film's not that a lot of people mistake it for like oh it was a cool action and they also they explain very well why the camouflage is not part of the final battle for the Predator because Arnie will first attack against him when he saw him coming through invisible with an explosive arrow head misses him but the explosion is close enough that it hits his wrists and damages the camouflage mechanism yep the show is a little rusty fucking up and shit ugh I have to wonder if he's better than people give it credit for he was top notch so good it is but I think a number of people view it the same as like any other like commando or something like it's oh yeah it's a cool action movie from the 80s I think you're right where it's like a little bit it's got a punch to it it's better than that yeah it's actually it's actually like a really great film it's not some dumb shit here's like the creditor isn't using their camouflage and it's up to you to figure out why that's where yeah isn't that an interesting comparison like they don't tell you you don't have Ani going it's camouflage is down because I have I have I have destroyed it because I can currently see him it must be his camouflage is down I must have taken down his camouflage I mean while at this we are legit all asking like was it the snow what I don't even know I guess but then there's other parts where it's like they don't even trust you you know it's like no we got to explain it to you alright see the herb it does this it's like I got it man I figured it out I am not an animal so we got the next portion of the fight she runs away from him he chases her she knows he'll jump on the little trees so she runs to the tree she grabs her trap on and he ends up scraping on that taking a big old wound again oh I don't think oh we what about the spear part did we talk about the spear part that happened yet yeah so after she's on top of him she does her first jump from the tree she's smacking him with her tomahawk he throws him off throws her off and then he pulls out his spear and he gets it ready to throw at her and just in the nick of time we have we have Sari comes out and his dog's running running and jumps on him right at the right before he throws so that it misses her you know what that is confirmation that Sari is the equivalent of like your character in an RPG has used dog he's like the dog companion in Fallout like and as soon as he does that move it goes on cool down unless annoying mysterious stranger yep dog bite you get to use it because she seems to pull it out she just disappears and then you know the cool down it's been getting better she progresses she has more XP and she's putting points into it to point into it yeah yeah make it just go better so he throws the spear it misses because the dog jumped on him at the last moment from behind yeah he pulls out the tomahawk and throws it away instead of maybe breaking it or something or just throwing it out to the fucking woods and he starts to this is where he chases her and he he's jumping from tree to tree it can't be more efficient than running surely well it isn't we see earlier in the movie when they're in the grassy field that he catches up to them like super quickly so he should like be with her like I don't know like two or three steps just like easy it's almost like he did the jump jump jump because he gotta do the jump jump jump to fall for his trap yeah and as he's just jumping jumping you're gonna sound very enthusiastic more why would I be after I just said I'm only gonna be complaining look I'm just saying I can I can tell it in your voice hey man now if you're upset strong you know that can do wonders if you and real badly can do the opposite of wonders yeah mmm I understand I get you now as predator is jumping from tree to tree chasing after her as she's just running um so like the method that gets him to run into the spike trap on the tree she she runs up it and does a back flip yeah and then he like and it's like ah damn and I don't understand how the scene works because she she runs to the tree like jumps on it and then goes backwards but he seems to come in from the side and she's running it like the angles are very very strange for how these scenes are supposed to play out um and let me see he chases her and chases her a bit more through the woods I just watch this because my notes are just like basically this this fight happens it's not very good yeah there's a few things but it's mostly just this fight as shit so she goes and runs back to where the spear was and she grabs it and this the predator comes in and he he like punches the tree with his his spikes and it gets his thing caught inside of the tree like it's stuck in the tree she's got the spear now and she does this like twirl with it and then gets ready to stab him with it now what happens next is somewhat strange I can take care of it I looked at this several times because I was so unsatisfied with this bend yeah I watched this a few times too you go ahead and go for it yeah I'll let you know she thrusts that spear the predator on a plus side he's just coming activates his shield as you can see Cham doing this nice and slow it's opening the way it always has but it's jamming in a way because she's got the spear up where it sort of connects to itself and the predator intelligently realizes oh boy if she pushes again she might just be able to slink that by the shield's little little gap there and it'll go straight into my face so the smart thing to do would be to push my shield arm somewhere so that if the spear were to go forward it wouldn't hit my face you know for instance left or right but going up a little bit and so he tries to push it to one side making it so that spear no longer has a chance to go into his face unfortunately the shield finishes connecting to the other side and that has a chopping effect as we've seen before and it's just so happened to be rammed into his arm and so chops it off this is incredibly unsatisfying to watch it was so fucking lame dude there's a lot of elements that make this really just not work at all from her little fancy pointless flourish of it where she spins it a bit but he is strong again he is strong enough to fight a bear with his hands there is no way that she can generate enough force with a spear points to even move that shield on his arm that shield was getting shot by muskets and it like wasn't even moving he has legs one kick she's dead yeah that too also just fucking grab the spear I mean he's been stabbed with it before by Tabe so yeah I don't know I hate this yeah I hate this a lot this is bad this is all bad he is really upset with how early in the fight he gets crippled this bad and it's just not done in a way that like oh I hate to keep going back to it but I have to do the first movie man like the way that Arnie gets these traps to work how much effort he puts in and how even still he has to do the fist fight with the predator because he doesn't manage to win but then his last trap that he had set up he's able to crawl to it because he's fucking losing so badly and then the predator spots the spikes and you think it's all over but the only way those spikes were going to raise up and do the thing was because of a weight the counterweight and they what a clever little twist nice this is just like I swear to God was anybody on earth able to watch this for the first time and understand what the hell just happened like probably not I would be genuinely surprised if they did it was like wait a minute why how does arm get chopped exactly that's what I mean when you slow down frame by frame it's like oh oh but without that like I'm going to show again like chat have a look at this if you saw this in regular motion what are you supposed to make of this like what you chopped your own half off the fuck yeah yeah I can just came to a conclusion like oh man she got really lucky that this happens I don't know this is so weird to look at there's so many things I didn't get it I didn't get it I thought because the first thought I had was that he did a regular like the shield was complete and he just sliced it off but it was like the specific that it was the closing of the shields two sides together that got the arm I was like oh okay um yeah no doesn't make any sense whatsoever and it should not have happened and it makes movie worse it is quite lame so he's upset and he still has his insanely powerful shield and he's so incredibly strong he could fight a bear and lift it up completely incredibly strong it seems as if the fight should be over here the spear deactivates because I guess well that's a huge deal because it deactivates because I was going to ask you guys like what the fuck is this supposed to mean because if he can just remote deactivate this spear look chat look at this going in for the kit oh oh why didn't you do that the first time yeah that would have been helpful you can literally just take a weapon off here remotely it doesn't impress any buttons and she should have thrown it there's no way that she had the reflexes to be like oh it's changing somewhat I'm not going to throw it especially with my hands so forward with it I don't even know what I'm supposed to make of this is he doing it with his mind he must know that it's about to happen and that it's not going to affect him he doesn't have his mask on that's what I mean his friend is on his arm over there exactly what his arms isn't even attached anymore I don't understand because if you want me to think that this is him you can do that remotely and instantly you should have just done that when she first attacked him with the spear whenever he throws it he just needs to deactivate it this is the second time he's been fucked by his own spear after he's thrown it exactly you need to get into the habit of once you throw that shit it just deactivates so you just deactivate it so I yeah I don't know so of course the fight's over at this point because she doesn't have a weapon he is still incredibly strong he's very very angry and he has his razor sharp mega metal shield on his arm there's no possible way she can survive at this point she's got nothing not only that but she takes two hits from him wait I so up to this point I was still tolerating this fight but this was the part where I was like you absolutely cannot allow her to get into a literal fucking like fist fight with him a merely like a one on one combat not after he punched a bear can't do this and so let's go real slow by this guy what happens here I think that's a miss I think it's a miss that first one is a miss but you have that is not a miss you can see a bit of blood spray out there yeah that's that's GG ooh yeah so she's dead shielded as a GG no it just it just clipped her a little bit it's like when Kylo hit friend it does damage but not any damage nothing meaningful it just makes you sleepy for a little bit in this case don't do shit yeah so we've sunk pretty darn far aim it's just yeah she gets knocked to the ground and I guess she's okay from taking that razor sharp shield hit wherever she took it she's on the ground he swings his arm down with the shield and misses I guess that's unfortunate and then we get the weird I think it's funny because anybody listens to this would be like how does it keep getting weird so just like so check it out she realizes oh the the place you know that place chat see that do you recognize that it's kind of like you know that place alright better head over there oh whoops I forgot there's a predator right here and he's grabbing me by the throat and you are dead you are dead you are so dead it's not fair how could you let this happen and then but then he does the movie thing he throws no there's even more oh that's not even a thread slabs with it's alright I accept this cause he doesn't even like choke slammed her yeah a choke slam from the predator to a 90 pound lady dead yeah I don't know how he's trying to kill you you're not gonna also that's his shield hand open up the shield and she's dead yeah but you won't squeeze you won't do it will you predator you're not allowed because that's what you're not allowed to do well to be fair he will open the shield he just won't do it until she's safe yeah which there's no way she's gonna get the safety to be alright he's in a bad he's in a bad and somehow takes him and the like she kicks upwards when what should happen is nothing because he's way stronger way way way way stronger than her but apparently this like guides him up between those rocks which I hear just for the sake of for the people watching so I can show them right so this is the situation right chat you see this see her right now activating the shield kills her it's over so what could possibly happen well you see she looks up and chat you see that that is two rocks with about enough space in between them to fit a human head I guess you could say which you know how lucky how fucking lucky and so she's clever she kicks the ground question mark which pushes her what was what about a mentor yeah and him that's gonna have to drag him all the way up so that when he opens the shield it'll clang on to those two rocks and not be able to cut through saving her just like what the fuck come on you weren't meant to have her do the fight like this what you should have had her do was use lots of traps and then get away and go and hide again instead of a one-on-one fist fight because it was never gonna it just doesn't it doesn't really work with any person as established how strong the predator is also don't he still hasn't just squeezed her throat kid regularly regular way at this point predator the guy who could beat a bear in a fist fight it has her by the throat and he's just not squeezing yeah and I also go as far as saying I'm not sure these these rocks would stop that shield but I'm gonna balance with you I guess I'll I'll allow it it's sci-fi super steel I don't know that it should be stopped by these rocks we can allow it but like the issues doesn't really make much of a difference at this point because there's something coming up that's even worse it's just a very slow kind of progress so the sci-fi super steel is about even with random rock yes random rocks are hard though to be they're very oh yeah and now I know what you're thinking how could this get anymore he has this by the way just to prove it he has the strength that's how fucking strong he is and he's not just squeezing her neck dead the chat but you haven't seen this movie what's gonna happen next what will it be it's poorly she's doomed isn't this incredible surely she's gonna die what could possibly say the rocks aren't you know it's chopping through the rocks aren't able to stop it fully it's like she's running out of time what's she gonna do what's she gonna do he's yelling at her she's gonna breathe fire that would have made more sense oh yeah I'm I'm just tapping next frame until it shows it because I at this point I don't know what it's gonna be but I also it helps me avoid copyright I'm pretty sure but there's plenty of people in chat who will know oh dog saves it what a good suggestion that is a good skill though that's a really good guess still on cooldown you can't access the dog yet so what will it be maybe she sneezes on him spits on him that could actually have more viability than what she decides to do honestly yeah she gives him a big old glare look at her I'm gonna get you and she's made a decision which is to grab his mandible and simply rip it off just rips it off you can't do that you can't do that that's a lie that's a lie I don't believe you fuck you I wouldn't believe it if Any would have done that no I don't believe you can't do that bullshit you're ripping off a huge part of his flesh it's like a bone and everything in there yeah it is she just stabs him with it no yeah you can't do this you're making noises stop and then he goes ooh howie and then stops being mean to her he doesn't instantly squeeze even out of reflex he slides out yeah I can't believe she got away with it well she does have the lower body strength advantage of course in the end so at this point he's like oh just put him out of his misery he sucks put him out of his misery why you pulled off part of his face that's not fair you shouldn't be this you can't just pull body parts off people at this point you can't just do that I was ready to rude that fuck ooh even if he did managed to kill her and go back he would get no respect no imagine being the predator watching this you'd be like dude you um you had it man you were right there man you had it all and you blew it so for those who are recommending dog guess what just came off cooldown no boy how exciting and it's not just dog she leveled it up it's at full level he's holding an axe oh shit that's top level doggo right there so basically unstoppable this seems pretty awkward because they're clearly trying to generate their own like epic hero moment but it's just she's standing there predator is standing there doggo is around and it has the axe in its mouth you're like okay this is not I don't see how the pieces come together for victory here I don't know what play this is but alright but the music swells and she's like pet suit I don't know what that means it probably means help me kill it or something it probably means I can't believe I'm so good at this I thought this would be harder oh yeah we'll just go nice and slow with this too why not she's running toward the predator the doggo's running toward the predator oh gosh what's gonna happen well he does an epic slide well the predator for some reason is completely distracted grabs the axe out of doggo's mouth as she's sliding and then she shoves it into the predator's leg ouchies he just he couldn't be treated I just remember that he's part of a climactic battle right I don't even know I think he knows where he I don't think he knows what's happening at this point because she slides under him and then jumps on his back wraps the fucking thing around his head while he's stumbling around and it's like isn't he a predator doesn't he weigh like ten billion pounds like what didn't this do nothing till he should just grab her and that's it no that mandible was a huge part of his body weight so now it's fine it didn't system part of a predator other than this one's brain is the mandible that is important to remember and she's like deep lower wriggling around him for a while and he's just going oh jeez I can't do nothing about this oh god I wish I could do something and then she jumps off him to the to the bitter land that's you know next to the little twigs and stuff yanks on the rope of which I'm sorry but she would never have the leverage to pull him over this guy I'm not even she could pull and I'm pretty sure if he wasn't even paying attention he'd be like oh someone's someone's like poking me oh hi what are you doing because like I can't even begin to imagine comparing these two's weight but uh yeah she yanks him and he look at the way he falls yeah he's like oh shit oh jeez so off the go just needs a funny noise when he falls down and he's like whee all that practice pulling pulling herself up out of the mud that required a ton of strength yeah of course he's perfectly capable of doing that on the predator unlike oh god yeah so he's like thinking that just reminds me of those viral videos like all that mud in your mandibles in the mud lapping down into it he doesn't just do a little flute but it's like he even didn't have him die gracefully could you no die like an idiot but that doesn't kill him yeah it just kind of stands up yeah I guess he's too tall yeah I'm amused by the idea that he's so tall he's standing on the bottom of this swampy thing just like what the fuck is going on um what embarrassing me and so how will this end well I think she can't get worse right yeah well this is I mean it'll be up to see what we'll think about this so also like is it he like slowly stands up out of the mud yeah yeah I just like diminishing head first when you know for a fact that he'd be rushing to get his fucking mouth out of there especially with your torn open mandible dude you want all the mud going in there I guess so baby does want that um but then she's like come on come on she doesn't say do it do it come on she just says come on come on come on come on so what she's hoping for is that he'll open up his little dart shooting gun thing and use it on it and eagle-eared and nosed viewers will remember that it follows the darty thing on the helmet of which she had and placed somewhere earlier so when he fires the dart it will re-angrelate wherever the little helmet is aiming unfortunately for this dude just so happens to be re-angrelating right on his head because his place is on the little rock right there and he even does a little whaaa huh? just just to be clear if you play this in normal speed and the amount of time that he has to react to this is quite a lot is quite a lot I think it's like two and a half seconds it's like two to two and a half seconds he just looks at it and it's like oh and that ladies and gentlemen is how the predator is killed that sucks this is the buried underneath all this bullshit is a neat concept of her using the helmet dots without the predator knowing this that's it's terrible do we need to explain how beyond lucky she needs to be for this to line up yeah cause he has she can't adjust this it's in place wherever it is and also important to note the laser doesn't turn on until the gun is armed until the dart throw is armed so she doesn't know where that dot is gonna point you can't eyeball that there's no way it's just very lucky it's incredibly lucky and you know what else is super fucking lucky this thing has a let's call it a range in which it will follow what you've fired at with the dart gun itself before it'll you know reassess where it's supposed to go it like skims past his fucking face oh yeah you are so lucky if it had just gone that little bit further forward he'd have been like oh well there you go you're dead I mean if he was aiming a little bit to the right then like it's done it's over it's gonna hit you anyway and I think this is he was almost even when I was first time around I was unsatisfied with this because I just felt like god fucking damn it the Predator was such a moron he like never learned never understood shit about his own weaponry like you know that this thing is not gonna be that reliable and she took your mask can you at least try to put two and two together this is what I'm talking about with that read triangulating where the rock was thrown from in the original movie that to me I'm just like oh that's really cool that shows the Predator has a bit of brains in there brains to the point where I wasn't even expecting that to happen this movie I'm like dude can you at least try to pretend like you can learn I'm not even sure you can like it seems like you have the second time you get hit by your own thrown spear you're like ugh you suck I just have a hard time believing that there's no way for the Predator to turn off the tracking I think it's incredibly stupid that it has to be bound to this weapon well you're absolutely right no I'm shooting without my helmet whatever my helmet wherever it is whatever it's pointing at it's not even going to matter because it's going to go towards that dot exactly that's one way or another his level of intelligence but what you're highlighting there I think is also fair to assume like imagine there was a manual aiming mode she'd be dead yeah yeah she doesn't know how that works helmet not detected just shooting forward which feels like it's something it would be yeah it seems really really intuitive that that would be something that's part of the weapons design all of the Predator scientists put it together so that all the Predators could go out to other planets and leave them alone while they try to build the society or something and people like so he killed himself like yeah I mean sort of yeah I mean yes but no you can argue of course you killed him but I think that we can argue he killed himself because he's that fucking stupid this wouldn't have killed any reasonably intelligent alien as far as I'm concerned it wouldn't have killed any creature who just like again the amount of time I can't believe they haven't realized where the dots are aiming before he's killed why would you do that it just makes it even worse I don't know why they would do that that's no I can't believe they make him do that I'll tell you his little head tilt as well I know why it's to give you that little extra satisfaction like he sees it coming he knows what's gonna happen before he dies because that's more satisfying than him just facing to exist essentially he knows it's coming in his last second even though he like recognizes what it is and he has plenty of time to move his fucking head but he doesn't because he's an idiot dumb stupid idiot moron dumb dumb stupid idiot moron face has got his brain splattered behind it and he's all dead because he shot himself in the face I get it alright I've been shot in the head once today maybe I can take it twice it was really that second one that got me yeah so um yeah next morning she brings back its head to the camp what she doesn't do is she doesn't bring back the insane amazing space age armor and weaponry but she does bring back the pistol oh right there's no way to begin there's so many issues to go over just with this lawsuit oh go for it fucking plenty I guess we should just summarize the scene pretty quickly right yeah you might as well like nothing happens essentially holding the predator head props it on the floor and it's like it's echoing the scene with her brother with the mountain lion and she gets given you know hunter status everyone's super happy before we close out we get the note that oh you know better be careful we need to move like somewhere else because more of them are coming I think she says that right she says they have to move to easier protected ground yeah and then and then we that's it right that pretty much closes out the movie essentially she gets to hold the talking stick hooray the movie's over so she did it she showed everyone that she can there's also this little bit with her like standing there with the talking stick looking all good everyone's all proud of her and then you see a small shot with this little girl who's looking at her like yeah I can grow up to get a predator to kill himself too which it feels like that's the part where I'm like so like aftermath is really important a lot of the time there's lots of closure to be had okay epilogue we need it there's a reason why they exist we got stuff to do this film holy fuck the writer had one goal and that was it they forgot about everything else like dude do you even remember who this character is and they'd be like what what do you mean it's like they're fucking like half the hunters the tribes hunters are dead her brother is dead do you not remember any of this like you how could you have the final scene not involve any morning and like just recognition of that really because it was bad enough when it was the one random dude who we didn't even like hear about okay yeah but she's like having a moment of man I'm so fucking cool and awesome dude dude the scene needs to end getting a somber ceremonial like funeral for them and then she's looking like sadly she looks up to the stars like where did this thing come from are there more it came from the sky I guess but like there's no there's not like I was able to do it but and also what cost you know huge missed opportunity and it's not necessarily a missed opportunity because they never would have done this clearly they don't want her to be compromised in any way they wanted to come across as kind of awesome at this scene but the the scene to be here would be like she's conflicted about her pride for having killed this predator because she's she was obsessed with it it's all she wanted to do just to prove that she could do a thing when that desire that like insecurity has cost the life of her brother and several tribes people to the point in terms of ability to stay safe and steady it definitely hurts losing one two three four five young men and their prime who are talented and capable that's just I mean emotional stuff notwithstanding that's really going to hurt and there's just no understanding of that at all that she is the reason they're all fucking dead yeah the first guy like is all the predator deaths it's because she went out to look for it and hunt it knowing what they would do and then she then when they came to before anyone had to die the she if she just went back with them and there wouldn't have been that confrontation it's very likely the predator would have just kept watching and seeing what was happening cause boy it could well we know for a fact the predator would have been much more interested in the French than it would have been in this tribe absolutely all these you know men with guns and stuff there's so many more of them and that tribe over there they just got like sharpen sticks and stuff they're not going to be that I mean maybe I'll keep an eye on them but man all these all these Frenchmen with their guns but they show the dog's okay smiles at the dog that's good that's good I'm glad the dog is okay happy ending yeah and yeah so it just confirms he's pretty fucking selfish as a character like yeah and I don't even think that's a harsh assessment she's literally not thinking about her brother or any of the dead at all only thinking about her own achievements honest very bizarre I don't know why they did this I don't know that that was on purpose but the problem is I don't know that all of the decisions with her character were on purpose to the point where she might just be consistently an asshole throughout this whole movie I'm not actually sure it's weird I don't know why they wanted like it must have been an accident why would you want that for your main character why would you want it to be I don't think yeah yeah a lot of this I just didn't my first watch through I just didn't pick up a lot of this shit I think it's just a matter of typically when you go through your watch through the first time around because you don't know where everything's leading it can be hard to keep track of all this stuff when you know where it's going and you know how it's going to end you're just looking for different things and so yeah in the case of a second watch the thing you pick up with that character is there is just very little consideration in the film at all for like the consequences of what she's done everything that's happened um partly what she's done partly just they actually mostly what she's done yeah well what I mean by that is um yeah you know you want stories to acknowledge when characters have died and what that means to the people a little left behind you know who have to keep going on and this film is just devoid of those scenes it's Gordon it's just the Gordon thing where where Gordon dies and nobody cares when it demands acknowledgement in this case we definitely demand acknowledgement of at the very least Tabe but also like everybody else yeah they all died trying to help you like what is wrong with you a horrible person and that you live with them you know like these aren't random people you live with them yeah I don't know what I'm it's as I said the second time and took notes I liked her less and less and I liked Tabe more and more and even just kind of the other characters more and more but my my opinion of her is sunk with a second play through watch through um well someone just highlighted that Rags mentioned this but yes she kept the regular gun not the predator gun no she did not take the predator gun the insane predator space age alien technology she leaves but she brings the pistol back so that we can have a call back to predator 2 I'm not dude I wouldn't be surprised at all if you when they were gripping this all up if it was one to one with what we see here if you told the writer like dude did you forget did you forget the brother I guarantee you'd be like oh shit yeah I probably should throw something in yeah like fuck man damn yeah which sucks so how do we so I guess with the pistol right so the implication is that in in 300 or so years the predators are able to get that gun back somehow render so years yeah for predator 2 within within that time I would well we know what they're going to get it back they're invading yeah they're coming back so oh they're invading do you see the end credits I saw the end of the credits some more predators coming yeah I guess that's I suppose I didn't really know what to think of that if that was a stylization of them returning one day or I don't like no it's it's yeah they're coming back I think that's they're coming back and that might be in the sequel I would go as far as saying they're back because they're like you just killed one of us yeah exactly you've kind of demonstrated that she serves as being worth our attention because like I found it weird it's like hey humans I've seen this coming online where it's just like you took the time to establish that gun and then you let them have it so you know why don't the predators have it and I was just sitting like I don't know they're going to get it they're going to have to get it back they're clearly arriving now I think they're going to get it back it's going to yeah it looks like she is keeping it as a sort of thing that she's going to so it could be that they kill her and then they take that I don't see why not that could that could be that could be she is this selfish of a character so they could set it up for when she's killed off in the first scene of the sequel we don't feel too bad about it you know I would prefer to do at this point because I kind of really don't like her is prey to is like she's heralded as the greatest hunter tribe she's even just the chief at this point but she's way out of her league like things are screwing up things are going bad and then when the predators finally turn up to try and pack her she's like being and running and stuff until she maybe has to like really just muster up a bit of strength it just gets killed and they take the gun just that sort of like level of look what you've done but maybe that's too spiteful she's trying to put a different blotlight I don't know so that's probably I really feel like the I said it in my little reaction like initially I immediately thought yeah the climax was a bit anti-climactic and I would have really preferred there to be much more of as I have said a knock down drag out exchange because you don't just I got some comments saying that oh well she earned it at that point she already proved this proved that it's like yeah but it's not just proving what you can do it's also showing yeah I found it wholly unsatisfying I think the only thing they got right for that ending was just kind of the vibe if I could even say that of like the fight being a sort of like this I don't know the music is right thought well it's like the it's it thinks it's clever when it isn't it thinks that she's being smart when none of it makes sense what's the difference between her being smart and the predator just being an absolute imbecile yeah it doesn't make her smart to be smarter than something that's like a brick what bricks sorry brick she's smarter than a beaver not sure if the predator is well it's crazy as well because like her plan is clearly like to me the big aspect of her plan seems to be the firing its own weapon to its own face because like she was almost speared to death but the dog she didn't even command the dog to do anything it's the dog showed up right in time if the dog didn't pull the predator didn't give a fuck about a dog just got impaled right there and then it's like wow so now you don't get to do the cool run where he stabs himself in your little trap you don't get to do the part where he chops his own arm off you don't get to the part where you like well you always you know it auto-corrects and it just misses it but she's like ah shit but he's like oh oh the plan you had now I'm going to kill you one thing that I thought was kind of funny though because I noticed the arm getting chopped off so soon in this final fight and thinking like that's a really quick handicap right off the bat when I was watching all the other predator movies because in every single one other than the first the predator's arm gets chopped off like that's the subversion that needs to happen in the next movie you think it's going to get chopped off by something but it doesn't he moves it away at the last moment or it misses by just a hair and it chops his leg off and he's like fuck ah damn it at least my mandible didn't get pulled off that wasn't bad so cool it's tough this one's this one's tough for me I was way too nice to the movies what I figured out I was way too nice I think my perspective on the film is that you have a pretty long list of problems that all on their own could be viewed as minor but obviously taken all together deal with some serious damage to the film but at the same time it's like the film is a matter of minor tweaks and those minor tweaks would go a long way to making the film better so like what that means that we have is that we have like a basis upon which we could build something great as opposed to what is usually like an absolutely awful film where it's just fucked the element of is this the fixability of a movie this film is very fixable it's extremely fixable absolutely the people who made this in a lot of ways knew what to do that a lot of other films just flat out do not even fuck around trying to do and it makes it it makes this tough to rate it's gone down for me but I'm it's so much to juggle you know it's difficult because I'm feeling pretty clear on it at this point because especially the 7 hour discussion has definitely helped so after I first watched it I was happy to settle on a 6 I think I even said possibly could be up to a 7 I could be argued up to a 7 and that's why for me it's between well let's just say 1 to 4 is bad 5 is mid and then 6 to 10 is good right that's like the most basic way of putting it so when I said in a tweet it's good that's where I'm aiming for was around about a 6 then I went on Real BBC and had a lot of chats about this movie from people who are less enthused by it I was like some of these stuff I didn't think about this open bar it was pretty much the same thing then I rewatched it with a lot of that in mind and then after this discussion I think I'm pretty happy to sit on 4 gone down I'm thinking around a 4 to 5 myself yeah originally I was also like you I was going with a 6 but on a second viewing really watching it by myself taking notes and I oh yeah this is 4 to 5 territory it's such a damn shame because it's so fixable I genuinely missed a lot of the coincidences in this first time around and I genuinely think it's because of the Predator I blame that movie it blinded me to this one because this one was like this is what the baseline should be right but it came across as a almost miracle compared to the Predator and so I think I was willing to sort of just think more so about the things I was enjoying rather than how everything came together because it was I think discussions on how different scenes came together I started to realize like man all the glue is like coincidence coincidence coincidence coincidence and important ones they're impactful coincidences well it's how many coincidences do you need to string up before they amount to a whole because I don't know how many things you would have in this film they're like outright obvious I guess if you're putting aside like stupid shit and fight scenes where it's like the world is not reacting as it should but in terms of the vast majority of it it's like man that's a stretch ooh that's a stretch how many stretches do you need to have before they tend to amount to a breach yeah I mean I'm basically at a four I think that what it does well it doesn't do so well that it would be like a serious counteracting to like the problems but at the same time you compare the problems that you have in this film to like you know absolute like fucking dog shit like there's gotta be a way to delineate between a film that is you know I think it's safe to say deeply flawed but has a lot of elements in there that are worthwhile and also like things that could be fixed relatively easily compared to a film that is just riddled from top to bottom just worthless like completely and utterly flawed and yet the articles that was said like it's the best one or that it even comes on par with the original I would just go as far as saying like the original is clearly a movie that people have forgotten how good it is or why it's so good more credit because yeah as it stands like I guess I guess the interesting conversation is yeah but with that said is this the best one since the first film I think there was a potential fight for this between Predator 2 but at this point I'm not at yeah I think that the first half of Predator 2 is strong enough that it makes up for a lot of the problems that um I mean that it puts it over the top I think so too yeah it's also very easy you go ahead super quickly without I'd like to simplify it so hard that everyone can understand but at the same time these numbers don't necessarily mean what they sound like they mean but when this was at a 6 I'd kind of placed Predator 2 at sort of a 5 maybe 5.5 or something like that but when it's got moved down to a 4 it's like oh the Predator 2 winning again it's over and that's such a almost the most robotic way I could put it because half of Predator 2 is good half as bad as far as I'm concerned so it's like a 5 out of 10 it's like the most simplistic way to look at it is in this case it's like yeah but this film is like I guess more consistent throughout it's like more consistently whereas there's a drop off in Predator 2 oh yeah Predator 2 hits that point and it just tanks into a different movie I will say though when you hit the I don't even know if you could call it the third act for this film the last 20 minutes is pretty bad pretty concentrated I agree but I guess compared to compared to when you've got like a straight two thirds of the film is operating at a general level and I mean it could also even be said that the first the opening part of the film is like reasonably decent I would say so yeah up until up until that point it's like really the main thing that's disappointing about this is decisions that you made in terms of what you want to show and stuff up it's just that you weren't you didn't pay it off like you just didn't do it yeah I think the real tip and point here was when she meets up with the rescue party that's when that's really the point where she in particular drags this movie down a whole lot yeah and like I'll be completely honest my mind has been changed quite dramatically since I first watched it and part of my confusion when I first saw people reviewing this it was like I hate her as a main character I remember being like she's not bad what do you mean and I just started thinking about it and I was like oh shit yeah she's kind of an asshole are our reasons the same reasons a lot of people would give in terms of like the repercussions and the consequences and how she says things where she says them I mean probably not like all of the references but as was the first person to make me think about it more so the first one he brought up that made me go oh it was just being such a bitch at brothers sort of like inauguration under man after he'd saved it life it feels like yeah that was not well handled in terms of writing that scene there's a couple of ways you can do it they didn't do it very well and it seems so obvious what you should have done that doesn't even entail substantially changing the content of your story you know like I guess it's worth it because it was a recent movie think about fall love and thunder how do you fix that film it's like well eternity as a concept is like kind of not workable at all like I don't know that we can do anything with that what about like the central arc that the characters are going on it's like man what even are those you won't yeah exactly that you can't even discern what those are yeah I can't identify them feels like in the case of this film it's worth highlighting again that there were like clear narrative objectives like that you can that not that you can see cynically like yeah that's what you're trying to do you fucking like it's more like no I see what you were trying to do like I can see it but it's not super complex it's a little bit like it's you know I in fact it's probably fairly shallow and then it's just I can see it though like I can see the better film this whereas I don't see the better like Doctor Strange I don't see it other than a totally different story like a radically different story if you have like writing band-aids that are not huge changes with just writing band-aids you could really boost this up a lot you don't need to do surgeries or anything like that which is the stuff that kind of gets me on the film side yeah you had something here it makes the slow points worse it makes it that's that's why you were oh why'd you do this well yeah when at the end you're like oh man as opposed to you know fucking whatever yeah I don't yeah it's you get disappointed in a movie because you're like you're better than this you really are like this is you disappointed me because we've talked about it oh sorry it sounded like you had something I feel like with a lot of the really good Predator movies like Predator 1 Predator 2 to a degree the more times you watch it the more things you notice that you're like that's cool I like that here the more times it's like ah well it's a sign of a good film generally that it improves when you rewatch it because you start to pick up details that you you're gonna find different the Tabe effect yeah what what yeah what number do you have well I usually go by a five point system so I would say about a three out of five but I think I'd agree with the Lou oh my dog is crying I haven't fed her oh I think I'd agree with the running consensus here that about a four seems fair I really like the like you know like you say the first half is the build up seems to work pretty well and the the look of it all the just the sense of direction for that but as soon as everything should be paying off things start falling apart a lot of that is down to the main characters just unlikable decisions and unwillingness to actually consider anyone other than herself when we're missing we're missing a little bit of the emotional substance where we are we are a little bit deficient in that in this film yeah there doesn't seem to be a lot of attention paid to other people apart from her when she even with her I feel like we're not getting a whole lot of that emotional residency there like we we're missing this is a film that's quite plot heavy despite having a very bare bones plot and that there's a lot of focus on what's happening and a lot less focus on how the characters are feeling about all of it which seems like not the correct approach when the story itself is pretty minimal like it's fairly straightforward so that's the opportunity to build character and you just got so many opportunities that weren't seized I feel like that might be one reason why her brother comes off a lot better on rewatches is number one he cares about people other than himself and number two you really want that he's got much more of the regular protagonist traits that people want to see um and I guess in the case of this film I don't know that it was their goal to characterize her the way that they did I can imagine it was certainly not I think they wanted to make her determined but they kind of it's just you need and the opportunities they feel like they tie in super well we talked about it earlier when her mom said you don't hunt just to prove that you can do that you do it to survive why wasn't the arc the shift in realizing that that's what she needs to do she needs to actually kill this thing in order to save the tribe rather than prove that she can do it she earns the right to be like the leader of the tribe because she's discarded her more selfish motivations her more insular motivations and they've turned into she has reached the point where she is in a position to lead um yeah buried in here there is a potential subversive story for a be careful what you wish for scenario when the impact of the things that you thought you wanted hits the people around you if you're someone who's never experienced loss and death and then it really kind of happens and you see how it impacts people around you all of a sudden what you thought was maybe a fun adventure for honor and you know to impress other people becomes like oh like I kind of wish things did go back to the way they were they were safe and familiar and people you know you know all this carnage didn't happen and I'm talking in things that sound crazy to me crazy talk I still like people talk about the innocence and like not knowing about death and stuff and like I wouldn't know I think I still like the what we're having her do throughout the film is just observation and then implementing into her strategy I think that that could have been made a bit stronger but like at least it's there is that the reality aspects not trait aspects for the most part or yeah yeah like I get what you mean we need to try and dedicate more time to emphasizing aspects of who she already is to make it to I guess lend greater clarity to who she is so metal I think is next yeah yeah I I almost feel like that was the general vibe yeah on open bar I think that's where it was at because I because I have covered yesterday on my own on all my lonesome as I do on that forge fleam sometimes and it's like I was still like on the same page from my first watch I found some more things it was like it doesn't really knock it down that much and now we talked about it extensively and it's like oh boy I was way too nice to that movie there's like yeah all the characterization stuff that obviously that no one gives a shit about the deaths except the tabae death and that's also only just a short thing and we don't get anything at the end at the end it's like a death by a thousand cuts basically so many small things that you can tweak easily just put a scene here and there and you can easily get it up to like a five or six again but as it stands it's just like a four especially that end fight dude that end fight probably knocks like three points on its own it's like it's so unsatisfying it is so unsatisfying you watch it and it's like god damn what is happening like why did your arm fall off why what the fuck are you doing why are you jumping around like a moron you can just easily catch up to them by foot you showed it to me movie I saw it from an eagle eye perspective it wasn't even close yeah why didn't you team up with the Frenchman this is an easy solution to do for you or the best solution for you right now it's like look at this fucking thing you know it's here you should do something which is just do anything doesn't care about the brother really at the end it's like yes it's really annoying to figure this all out after multiple watches and then discussions like man this is just getting worse I was kind of hoping it would get a little better but it doesn't well since we're seven hours and 15 minutes we're gonna probably move the super chat's portion of this to the Wednesdays coming up and we can hopefully even get the other half of whatever happened luckily nothing died this time around I think it's because I actually did get rid of all the tabs I hope yeah that destroys your memory those chrome tabs yes it really does it really really does they are hungry boys but before that I'd like to thank Mr. Decca here for hanging out with us for hanging out the whole stream yeah that's impressive a lot of people don't do that oh I have no life in that case why don't you tell people where you don't have a life and find all the things you make with your not life because I mean there's a link in the description it's right at the top but I review movies I review movies every Wednesday I tend to try and do shorter videos and I get things wrong because I don't have enough time to really dig into it so much but I do my best currently doing the summer of leprechaun almost finished with that have one more leprechaun leprechaun movie to review how are they out of leprechaun movies none of them are really good but the like the high end is a 3 out of 5 for the leprechaun series what is the what is I've never even seen one of the leprechaun is he just a leprechaun that kills people is that the idea yeah it's a horror comedy where generally warwick plays a leprechaun who just kills people and occasionally says limerick sometimes he's in space sometimes he's in the hood I remember that and sometimes the wwe gets a hold of the series and puts out a generic as hell horror movie and calls it leprechaun and I have to review that because posterity well hey and you've got like a bazillion views on your channel right I've got a lot of stuff over over 450 by now they could probably start with review on the predator so if you guys haven't checked any of his videos that's a good one to start on oh yeah the predator that was good times yeah again thank you so much for great rare that we get a new folk except for every other saturday I have a live and wired I will tell people what that is what do you get up to on that live and wired is a live show I do every other saturday generally just talking about the news in the entertainment sphere as it were what's going on online what's going on in movies going on in video games and that's a again try to keep short it's an hour show I cut it down from three because I thought that was a bit much talking about a movie for three hours is a bit excessive we would never do that as absurd so it's live and wired is just a quick little live stream that if you don't catch live maybe you can catch on a lunch break later just enjoy that way in case anyone in this audience likes short things this probably one or two I think we get mad at us when we do a three hour stream so I don't know it's rude I mean well alright again thank you so much for coming on man absolutely the link to this channel is in the top of the description metal what we've been up to lately little shit hey I'm a big shit ok I'm a big poop alrighty big shit are you a poop soup I'm a poop soup yeah I made some poop soup earlier today that was great boba that feels like yesterday at the end of an e-fap when you reference something at the beginning of an e-fap you have to remind yourself that was today for me it was actually yesterday I'm already three and a half I wasn't in the next day isn't that crazy you're in the future white you're in the past oh my god I'm everywhere I'm everywhere everything all at once if you will don't kill the past I'm still there but yeah I'm doing my forge I did mine on prayer yesterday I will probably give it a lower score now that's every week there's already one set up for next week it's going to be with meme repository again I know you people love that but no DC this time you're making me watch Star Trek the original series so see how that goes I think you wanted to watch the first three episodes or something apparently I had three pilot episodes and he's going to make me watch those so yeah that should be fun and that strumbles on Twitch and I even did a strumble on the YouTubes today before I did this e-fap so those happen at random times it's all kinds of stuff happening and just chipping away on the John Riggs script that movie gets worse and worse every time I go to that script anyway that's the things go follow everywhere I'll find you well I've been just working on this that and the other thing I should have a couple videos out fairly soon I think they'll line up pretty quickly for this month and I do hope everyone enjoyed the little chat about the movie I think it went pretty well we made it through the whole thing, hooray, no part 2s damn, look at us it was a cool movie and it ended up being that long we're ballooning we really are it just keeps getting longer as for me, I'm working hopefully I'll have something to share soon yes, soon it's working that's it if anyone follows my twitter here you'll know I've finally mentioned that the new video I'm making is going to be either 5.5 hours long or it'll come out in 2 parts and on production but I also figure it's worthwhile at this point the whole reason I don't tell you what I'm working on is just in case problems happen or video ideas change whatever at this point it's coming out so I don't mind telling you at this point but most of you figured it out already or a lot of you did several people in chat have already said what it is just between me and you few people in chat secret it is indeed on the multiverse of me go on after him I think I saw someone like all of the they had all the quotes in a row I think it was a subreddit post it makes the most sense because Mola considers this one of the worst if not the worst movie of all time it would make sense he would make a video on something like that and he says it's going to be really long but it's still only about one movie so it must be something that's really bad they were like it's also been said to have described someone as a brick or it's probably a rage and therefore that would fit the multiverse and I was just like yeah congratulations guys you figured it out that's good stuff I figured it out because I'm helping yeah it's an enormous figure I figured it out because he told me the other thing that I think they piece together he's been talking about the behind the scenes stuff to do with it why would he know about all that if he hasn't been looking into it specifically for the video I've discovered behind the scenes stuff about all kinds of things in the case that I did go searching for more of it because it comes up in the video it's um I'm very happy with what it is so far still plenty of work to do though so by the time we hit next week I'll probably be able to tell you when I expect it to release and I do realize we are actually getting incredibly close to the anniversary now in fact we are literally two weeks away from the wow crazy someone chat said I thought Piersha Infinite because you're not going to make me play that game again aren't you I want to get all of you to play it again if I make that video which game maybe that'll finally force you to stream right I'd want live then I'd want you to commentary I want to hear you in pain that would be interesting maybe five years ago like hey play that again we gotta do something with okay yeah I suppose I could stream myself playing it that would be a fun little thing people do these things for you and then you don't don't make me make you stream so oh no what how bad that would be oh no oh no Run Fringy he's gonna make you play so much okay so oh by the way now speaking of Soma the writer of Soma Mikhail Hedberg is working on alone in the dark yes I'm very excited which means I now give a shit about alone in the dark it said to Belle about that I was like oh wow you made a game just for me that's nice of you it's Horace Lovecraft and it's the guy who wrote Soma it's like oh thanks dude I appreciate it please please be good I just want to know what he's been doing this whole time just chilling well he's got an IMDb a little form of all that probably but yeah it'd be nice to see him work on a full on story for a horror game yeah but yeah it's it's been quite a while I'm already feeling the sleep tisms so I'm gonna just go ahead and say thank you all for joining us for this wonderful run through of this little movie yeah thanks thanks for keeping this company, thank you for the kind kind donations we're gonna get to all of them on Wednesday and I suppose yeah we'll just see you then goodnight everybody take care we'll see you see ya bye bye warm flumes