 There's a big difference for me from, I don't think I need them, I prefer them. There's a big difference between understanding or being able to integrate that, I don't know what to call it, a concept or a belief in truth to actually being in the experience of it. And I think for me there's still that, that's part of it, I guess the journey that I'm still on, is being able to experience that, that unified field. And I have maybe nine minutes of it, but when I'm at work and you know this is happening, that happening at phones and people and it's just, that's where I, that's I guess one of the big challenges for me. Is being able to integrate that more into my whole being. And I don't know, is there any ways that you can, I mean I'm working for the lessons, I'm doing the lessons, the miracles every day and I guess it's just a process. But it still feels, I still feel like there's a, there's a big gap between kind of, I perfectly understand what you're saying when you just said that, by actually being in that experience. Yes, yeah the journey is one of, of letting the Holy Spirit exchange self-concepts from more tight restricted self-concepts to more loose expansive self-concepts. So no one goes from a, from a tiny or a small or a very tight limited self-concept into the Christ. You have to like open your consciousness and let the Holy Spirit exchange more and more expansive self-concepts. And the way that this happens is with trust. You know, for example in the parable of David it was like, oh yeah, sentimentally I would read books, watch movies, listen to music and I would hear things that would feel sentimentally very beautiful. That wasn't my consistent experience, you know, I felt like I was in process and just opening. But I would be guided systematically and very practically to just ponder and question what my beliefs were, what did I actually believe about everything. I mean, for example, I remember early on I had this talk with Jesus and I would say, well, I can see there's a lot of beliefs I need to question, but I have debts. I don't believe that money grows on trees, I can just go out and harvest it from the fields. I think I have to work for that. And I started to say and I looked at the whole ideas of careers, for example, and I could see that they were very time-based, the idea of having a career. And so that's where Jesus started with me was just beginning to start with this idea of a career. Like he was saying, are you willing to start to question this idea of stringing together a series of jobs and experiences over the timeline and calling that your life? And I said, yes, I'm willing to at least take a look at that. I said, I'm not willing to question the concept of job because I have debts and I don't know how the money would come in. I mean, I'm not planning to sit there and just meditate and have it show up in piles and piles. And so there were things that I certainly wasn't willing to question at that point, but I was able to look at the idea of stringing all these jobs together kind of in a linear way. And it's the same with many beliefs around relationships and many different beliefs that there's a loosening that occurs as we transfer the training, as we're able to take, for example, those workbook lessons that you're working on and we're able to move through them and move through each day and carry that lesson forward and transfer it more and more to situations that confront us, whether it's at work or in our relationships or family situations or whatever. And there's a loosening of our self-concept. So as I went along, I saw myself more as a spiritual seeker and less as David, you know, the brother, David the son, David the United States citizen, you know, all those things that were part of the self-concept started to loosen gradually and then I saw myself more as a seeker who would go and visit teachers and people to talk with them, to open my heart up and listen to their ideas and to have experiences while I was doing my travels, you know, that would start to show me that I was more than I thought I was that I was taken care of. Maybe you've gone through it in the last two or three years, you've gone through a lot of this same process. Do you want to share a little bit about how you've been transferring that? Yeah, it's like David he says to me, like being very honest with yourself and just see, like as soon as you see something, like things that I felt like with food is one example. If I feel drawn to something, like one time I felt like a lot of ice cream. So I was like, okay, I'll just buy lots of ice cream, so I bought lots of ice cream. And I ate ice cream and I ate and I ate and I was like, hmm. After some time of doing that, I was just, when I was eating it, I was like, well, I don't really want this, but I am eating it. So that was like the first step for me. And then I just kept on doing it, like for some time. I ate and I noticed that I don't really want this. And I just felt that, okay, that's okay. So then I came to the point where I saw, oh, I have the thought of going to get an ice cream, but I know that I don't want it. So that was like the loosening of it that I could see that, oh, I get the thought there. And that is just the distraction from keeping me away of something else that I need to let go of. That it's some process coming up in me now and I just want to distract myself from that. Or as of course just being in this silence and just being which we truly are. So it's like seeing that that was one of the distractions of this world that I've built up in my mind and that was distracting me from this. So that was just allowing myself, being very gentle, like, okay, I feel like ice cream. I know that this is craving, but it's okay. And just being very gentle with that. Is that what you would think all addictions are? Is it distraction? Yeah, that's the whole experiment one time about addictions. And the Holy Spirit said, you have but one addiction and that is judgment. And so it was like, wow, anything the Holy Spirit tells me that's simple. Thank you, Beth. You know how the mind wants to get into analyzing and breaking things apart and figuring things out. And so we could say that even things that seem like physical addictions like smoking addictions or eating addictions or sex addictions or alcohol addictions and those kind of things that seem to be very physical, that those are maybe just seem to be a little more concretized or a little more solid, but that underneath that, why does someone go to the alcohol or the drugs or whatever, if they don't feel, it's really a sense of emptiness, like there's a lack, a hole inside and they want to fill it up. They want to fill it up in the best way and the only available way that they know that's in their awareness. And so you could say that I would say judgment is the core addiction that if you really want to be free of addiction completely that's why Jesus said, judge not in the attitudes. And if you really want to even be a little more fine with it to what I opened our conference here with the retreat here, that when you find yourself thinking about the future or thinking about the past, that's even a more subtle form of defining what judgment is. Because a lot of times we think of judgment as just its condemnation.