 Good morning, everyone. Good morning, everyone. Welcome to our weekly mentoring guide, where it's time for questions, discussions, and interactions. It can be on any topic that's there in our mind. So encourage each one of us to ask questions and share thoughts so that we all can learn together. So before we could start, can I request one of us to lead us in prayer, please? Avni, can I request you to lead us in prayer? Yes, Ma'am. Thank you, Jesus. Thank you, Lord, for this beautiful morning, Lord. Thank you that you are with us, Father, day after day, according to your promise, which says, I will never leave you nor forsake you, Father. We thank you that your mercies are reigning upon us, Father, and thank you for this beautiful fellowship, time of learning, time of growing your truth, Father. And, Lord, Father, we know that you are present with us. We thank you that you lead us by your Holy Spirit. We give you all control, Father. Let your name be glorified through this fellowship, Father. Anoint the pastors and anoint all the students. To, Lord, Father, ask good questions, Father, and let your wisdom be released. We receive good answers, Father, and that whatever we may learn may help us to grow the kingdom of God on this earth, let your will be done, and let your kingdom come on this earth, Father. We need you more than ever before, Father. We look up to heavens for all our needs, Father, and thank you that you are our Jehovah Jairah who provides everything that we need on this earth to live a victorious life. Once again, we thank you for all the pastors. We thank you for all the students. We thank you for your presence. We thank you for your love, grace, and mercy, which is continually our part and our portion. We thank you for leading us, for guiding us and strengthening us this morning. Once again, we commit everything into your hands. Lord, take control. In the matchless name of Jesus, our Saviour, we ask and pray. Amen. Amen. Amen. Thank you. Amen. Thank you so much. Yes, so we encourage each one to please ask questions and share your thoughts either on the chat or you can unmute and ask questions. Okay. Can I ask? Yes, please. Okay. Good morning, everyone. Once again, my question is the word says, fear of the Lord is beginning of wisdom and we know that the fear comes by knowing the Lord. So can an unbeliever or somebody who does not know the Lord still walk in the wisdom of the Lord? Can he have the wisdom without knowing the Lord? That's my question. Why I'm asking is because many of the unbelievers also walking in a way which seems to be right, but so that's my question. Thank you, Apni. Yes. Anyone who could take up this question and answer? Yeah, I just make a couple of comments. One is scripture to refer to is in Romans chapter 2 where it tells us that God has placed in every man this is Romans 2 and verse 15 that the law is written in their hearts. So we call this the conscience. So the law of God is written in the heart of every person. So even for regardless whether the person is a believer or not when they're born God has placed his law in their hearts. We call this the conscience. So there is at the time of birth there is let's say a predisposition or we can even call it a knowing in every human person what is right, what is wrong, what is good what is not good. There is that. So we call it the conscience. So as people grow up and they start living out of that conscience they're actually living out of the law of God in their hearts. So that's one thing. Now this conscience can of course be destroyed which is what happens in most cases. That is as we grow up because of all the influences of the world and the Bible says that conscience can become dead it can become seared it can become dulled so that's usually what happens but we do find in in general cases, some cases where people are living out of that law that's written in their hearts doing what's right, what's wrong. So while they may not necessarily express reverence or God in the sense of worshipping the true and living God or knowing Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior by the fact that God has already placed his law in their hearts them walking according to it they tend to do the right things they have this sense of rightness and wrongness so that's one thing. The second thing we see in Isaiah 32 is that when it comes to natural wisdom the wisdom to understand creation, the wisdom to understand and I'm just looking at Isaiah so what did I say? Isaiah 32 I think it's Isaiah 28 so Isaiah 28 and I'm looking at Isaiah 28 verses 23 to 29 so when it comes to understanding creation and the ways to exploit I use the word exploit in a good sense that means to put things that we discover in nature in creation for the benefit of humankind that understanding again God gives to all people regardless now as believers we definitely should be positioned to receive that and more of that because of our place in Christ but the fact is God, like Jesus said God causes the sun to shine on the good and the evil. He causes the rain to fall on the good and evil so in that sense the ability to harness what God has placed in creation which is described here in Isaiah 28 23 to 29 is given to every person given to people regardless of their faith in Christ or not so even there we see that people who may not necessarily believe in the living God or believe in Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour are able to make these wonderful discoveries in nature, in creation ways of leveraging them for the benefit of humankind so that's also something to keep in mind so from that sense we can see people who don't know God demonstrate a great sense of brightness in their way of living also express great sense of intelligence just because God gives that to all people who are visible to people that's all I wanted to say Thank you pastor I also have a follow up question pastor so my question is then how do we differentiate between a man with good conscience and like in terms of earthly living that we've heard that there are believers who live with an unrenewed mind and then there are people with good conscience so people with unrenewed mind believers with unrenewed mind and are they as vulnerable as people with good conscience and not having Jesus I hope my question is clean I think the big difference is one thing to know what's right and wrong it's the other thing to be able to do that consistently and there is the power of the human will right so God has given all of us a will right so the human will can also be trained and disciplined and trained so and to say it honestly plainly an unsaved person living out of that good conscience who has a strong will can demonstrate a higher level of piety a good life than a believer who has embraced Christ but is living according to a carnal mind so that is true in terms of way of life but we understand that we are not saved by works so even that person who is living by a good conscience with a strong will and demonstrating a good life is not going to be saved because of that because they will sin and so on but is that possible? the answer is yes it is possible thank you I hope that answered your question yes ma'am thank you we have Kiran asking explanation on 2nd Corinthians chapter 11 verse verse 1 2 3 can I request pastor Nancy to please share an explanation on this scripture please yes thank you pastor Diana I will share what I know okay so 1st Corinthians 2nd Corinthians chapter 11 verses 1 2 3 I will read it out first it says oh that you bear with me in a little folly and indeed you do bear with me for I am jealous for you with godly jealousy for I have betrothed you to one husband that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ but I fear less somehow as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ okay so just a moment I will just back up a little bit yes so here what Paul is saying is he is expressing his like out of his apostolic authority what he is saying is that he has imparted the truth in the Corinthian church and we know that it is the word of God which works in the life of the believer which cleanses and prepares the believer so as he has served and he has raised up this body of believers he is wanting them to continue in the same way and continue to be that chaste bride prepared for the return of Christ he does not want any form of wrong teaching or sin to corrupt this good work that has been done in them and he is talking like the friend of the bridegroom we know that the Lord Jesus he is the bridegroom who is going to return for the chaste, for the glorious bride and he wants to preserve the body of believers who he had worked with thus far he wants them to continue in such a way that they are a prepared bride for Christ so that is the simple meaning of this passage but I would like to request you pastor you could probably add to it pastor sure thanks Nancy so just adding to what Nancy has already shared what is happening in the Corinthian church is that there are people who are coming in and one of the things that is happening is they are questioning Paul's apostolic authority as an apostle and therefore things that he has been teaching and so that is what Paul is expressing he says I do not want you to be deceived just like how Eve was deceived he is expressing his concern for the people he says I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy you know he is showing his heart I want to protect you as a church body I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy and I do not want you to be deceived from the simplicity that is in Christ because these people are coming in they are causing confusion a lot of things trying to take people away from the simple faith in Christ and so on yeah good thank you master Kiran I hope that answered your question yes thank you please feel free to go ahead post your questions on the chat or you can also unmute and ask we have one question from Sid saying nowadays in Punjab and northern region of India pastors have four bouncers a bodyguard something like that right in order to protect them in an interview one such pastor was asked what is the reason of keeping bouncers he told that I am a popular personality with name and respect and I want this for my security okay so your question is is it right to have those bouncers when the scripture says that God has commanded his angels to watch over us and guard us yeah I can can I request pastor Roshan to share your thought on this please hey thanks I knew you would ask me I really don't know what to comment on that I I genuinely don't know what to say on that yeah but is this someone else who can probably comment on that you would like to share your thought anywhere in the team okay I'll just share like practically I feel Sid there will be times like if in ministry you start off small nobody knows you and then as the ministry grows big and the church grows big and you know as pastor evangelist you may be traveling to different places and now what I would say is if that pastor feels comfortable in having one or two people to protect him and just so that you know it's not like saying I don't have faith but I believe if he wants some kind of protection maybe from especially we know that in North India there are persecutions and people attacking Christians and Christian leaders if he feels that you know having some kind of protection around him if it's helpful for him then let him go ahead and do it and if you know it's not it's not that just because he has two or three security guards or bouncers or whatever he doesn't have faith now Psalms 91 is yes he talks about you know God's protection but there are also practical things like for example if we are driving we're riding the bike we have to wear a helmet we can't say Psalms 91 and ride without a helmet so we got to follow those practical rules so if if he the pastor feels that okay I need some you know to you know be like security or bouncers next to me if the pastor feels safe and if he feels that okay you know it's good for the ministry I mean you know it helps him to keep protected from persecutions or people who are trying to attack him then he can go ahead and do it and I feel that as believers as pastors or in the ministry this is not a big deal so more than all of this we can you know focus our attention on other things but yes I believe that if the pastor does have people around him to protect him and if it's safe for him he can go ahead and do it and I feel there's nothing wrong with that thank you thank you said thank you so you mean to say if the pastor's life isn't threatened then you can have some security guard to guard him but so something like that just so that because he said mentioned that it's in Punjab and maybe pastors in North India go through that on a daily basis so okay something wrong to have some kind of protection I just want to add to add to what Paul has said one is just the practical things like first I can think of two simple examples one is you know like all of us believe some 91 but we all lock the door of our homes when you go to sleep you know it's just a practical thing you know if we believe some 91 why do you want to lock your house you know well because we do believe God has given us angels charge over us but within the realm of our responsibility we take whatever safety measures we can so we close the door of our house we lock the house or whatever lock your car lock your vehicle when you go so that's us doing our responsibility so that's exactly what Paul was sharing the other practical thing is simple thing you know and which we also sometimes practice which is suppose you know imagine this pastor he gets down he comes to the venue where he's supposed to preach or minister he gets down from his car and from the time he goes or from his vehicle and from the time he goes from there to the entrance of the auditorium stage because he's a pastor a lot of people want to talk to him now four or five people come to him at that time what will happen you know he has to show them away he said no I have to go to there you know it's going to be very disruptive whereas if you have so those people can't see the angels of God you know they just see the pastor come and stop him say pastor pray for me or I have a question or how about this that and all now he cannot attend to that because service is going on he has to go in there and minister and so in order to you know to prevent that disruptive internet just a practical thing if he has you know three or four people around him they can just escort him straight into the venue so that it is psychologically people stay away from interrupting him so that he can get onto the stage and in a minister there there may be hundreds of thousands of people waiting to be ministered to right so that's also a very practical thing it's not even for safety it's just for ease of movement from point A to point B there may be people say pastor pray for me pastor bless me pastor do this for me and if he has to stop and do that whole service will be delayed you know and there are thousands of people waiting inside the hall or on the grounds for him so just as an escort to take him there without any disruption this is a practical thing and we also do it so as just to add to what Paula said it's just a practical thing there is both from security and to avoid disruption so there's a you know you keep things on time you move things smoothly so there's nothing wrong only thing is we shouldn't take pride in it you know look I have so many guards and then that can lead to disaster yeah yeah thank you thank you pastor that was a very important point and all the facilities we should not take pride in it that's right thank you Sid I hope that answered your question thank you mom thank you pastor she's thank you so yeah next question you can just unmute and ask or share your interest where we can discuss on yes please go ahead thank you thank you pastor Diana my question is about we read especially during the last days there will be a lot of apostasy or falling away of the believers from the faith so such times we do see it also nowadays like many are falling away from the faith so how as you know a believer we should you know be prepared as well as I'm asking this on behalf of you know our loved ones who may be you know just very like not much matured in the faith so so how can a believer be prepared because we see a lot of that in our current situations that's my question hope I'm clear your question please how can we be prepared how can a believer you know be alert and be watchful during these times because it's I believe it's very subtle okay okay okay sister Jean would you like to take up this question please okay thank you Diana I think I just want to make a reference to one scripture and probably then hand it over to any of the other faculty and you just just give me a minute please okay this is in first Timothy chapter 4 versus 1 to 5 and I'll just read that yeah I'll just read that now the Holy Spirit tells us clearly that in the last times some will turn away from what we believe they will follow lying spirits and teachings that come from demons these teachers are hypocrites and liars they pretend to be religious but their consciences are dead they will say it is wrong to be married and wrong to eat certain foods but God created those foods to be eaten with thanksgiving by people who know and believe the truth since everything God created is good we should not reject any of it we may receive it gladly with thankful hearts but we know it is made holy by the word of God in prayer so this is just a description of the last days where there is going to be a departing of faith there will be deceiving spirits there will be doctrines of demons there will be the conscience that's shared and of course a lot of other practical issues are also given I think one of the points that I would want to bring up is what is said in verse 5 it says to be sanctified by the word of God in prayer so for those of us who are believers it is to stand continuously meditating on God's word being in God's word keeping our lives in prayer as well as extending that prayer to those who may be the way I was talking about maybe it's the family to ensure that so that's one part of that answer and leave it open to those to the others thank you Dan thank you sister Jean and Aston Nancy you would like to add on or Roshan Paul anyone would like to add to this please yeah just a very short thought yeah Bible is constantly you know telling us to be vigilant multiple verses on that like guard your heart another scripture is first Peter chapter 5 verse 8 to 10 he says be of sober spirit be on the alert your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion so it's interesting he starts off by saying be of sober spirit in other words I could take away from that is again in Ephesians chapter 5 verse 18 Paul says don't be drunk with wine sober means to not to be drunk but be filled with the Holy Spirit I think one of the ways to be vigilant is to walk have that intimate fellowship in relationship with the Holy Spirit because it's very easy for us to follow the first command which Paul says in Ephesians 5 18 he says don't be drunk with wine is it yes I'm not drunk with wine I'm a Christian etc but are you obeying the second commandment that is being filled with the spirit so and I think being filled with the spirit walking with the Holy Spirit helps us to be vigilant and live a life that God expects of us yeah thank you thank you yes Pastor Nancy please go ahead yes yeah thank you Jean and Pastor Ocean for sharing I'll just add a few things to what you have shared he do 6 we see how before this passage the writer is exhorting the believer to exhorting the believer and saying how important it is for one to be mature then Hebrew 6 talks about the people who fall away so not necessarily in the context of the last days but just a couple of thoughts from this passage in Hebrew 6 verses 11 we see he says we want each of you to show the same diligence to the very end so that what you hope for may be fully realized then verse 12 we do not want you to become lazy but to imitate those to faith and patience inherit what has been promised so he is encouraging the believer to continue with diligence till the end to live that life of example the way others who have gone ahead and who have finished the race have lived so I believe in the end days it's important for us to take charge of our faith in God and it's like a personal responsibility and we have to guard it and as Jeanne was sharing give ourselves to the word of God give ourselves to prayer and be firmly rooted in the things of God again we see in first Peter chapter 4 the passage from verses 7 through 11 where the believer is encouraged in the end times to be serious and watchful and to pray love the body of believers fervently to be hospitable to one another basically to be given to God and to be given to the body of believers with commitment and love and there are other passages also exerting believers in the end times like when we read the epistles of John he calls for the believers to walk in love and at the same time have a discerning spirit because we have to be anti-Christ out there in the world that claims that Jesus is not God so we must be firmly rooted also in the gospel what is the truth of God's word what is the truth of who God is and let nothing, no teaching out there or no influence out there in the world take us away from what we have learned about God and about the Lord Jesus Christ and all of that so these are some additional thoughts that I wanted to share Thank you Diana Thank you so much for sharing in detail Pastor Nancy the way I hope that answered your question Yes, thank you so much Thank you Thank you Sad one sorry I agree with all of what's been said but I think one simple guideline the B.I. is for us as believers to avoid strange doctrines and you know the scriptures have been referenced by different people already and so the fact is there are all kinds of new ideas and new doctrines being taught I mean it's not necessarily news actually so many times these are all recycled doctrines they are you know they're taking us away from what Nancy was saying the simplicity of the gospel the message of Jesus Christ and so but many times the preachers are pressured into doing some saying something new because only then you'll have books that sell only then you'll have conferences that people sign up to you know you've got to say something that people haven't heard before but this causes you know weird doctrines you know winds of doctrine Paul wants the church there will be these winds of doctrine blowing through the church and sometimes these are actually demonically inspired to cause confusion in the church so we have to be discerning to what we hear and listen especially now because of the internet technology we have access to so much of information but not everything that comes out of the preachers mouth is God so you've got to be careful and be discerning and avoid doctrines that are strange that are not aligned to the simplicity of the gospel and who Christ is and what he's called us to do I just want to kind of reiterate that thanks thank you pastor very important thank you we have received another question from Sid when a person from a different faith would come to church in order to receive a healing or a blessing and they actively participate in the church service and once he's active in the church is it so Sid that the pastor would ask him to be baptized and from the next day will he be coming to church or he won't be coming he won't be coming he won't be coming so you mean to say he was not ready to receive Jesus as the Lord and Savior yes ma'am okay so how do we deal with this problem in a church looks like sometimes that's very common to most of the churches where people come seeking for some need and once the need is met they come again to the church or they would not receive the God of healing yeah I request any of the faculty would like to share on it would like to take up this question yes Diana I just like to put a point yes Sid if we look at even Jesus's ministry one of the things we see that even though thousands of people follow Jesus more than half of them did not believe did not follow Jesus because he was the Messiah but they followed Jesus because they wanted healing they wanted some kind of deliverance so when we look through we studied the whole ministry of Jesus the thousands of people that came many of them did not believe Jesus was the Messiah but they just believed that this person is doing wonderful miracles and I want healing and I want healing for my family or deliverance from the situation that I am in and so that's why they followed Jesus but here's what Jesus did the Bible says that Jesus ministered in compassion and power knowing that Jesus knew what was in their heart and so he did not shun them away he did not say okay I know that you don't believe that I am the Messiah so I'm not going to bring healing he didn't say any of that he knew their heart he knew that they were following him for healing and Jesus did not say if you want healing you have to keep coming after me he didn't say that he just ministered healing out of compassion and he ministered out of in power so I think what we can do is when we have people from other faiths coming into the church one of the things as a church we focus on is always we focus on power the power of the Holy Spirit but sometimes we forget the part of compassion so we need to blend both compassion and power and so when people come especially there from other faiths we pray for them we share the gospel with them we continue to minister to them because there will be some people who will immediately accept they want to get water baptized and they believe in the Lord Jesus but for some of them it takes time it may take 6 months it may take a year it may take longer time as well but we are doing our responsibility and we are doing what God has called us to do that is to share the gospel share the message and remember that at the end it is the Holy Spirit that brings conviction upon the person's heart and so so what we can do is just continue to encourage even if they don't want to come if you feel that telling them about water baptism is causing them not to come to church give it some time maybe just give them scriptures continue to teach them out of compassion out of love and don't have that feeling of he is only coming for his healing or he is only coming for deliverance and just remove that and be just minister of compassion just like Jesus did just share that thought thank you so much did that answer your question yes mam okay there is a question by John Paul we have based on first Diana this one before that by Ghazala just above that sorry pastor I missed it yes I am concerned with the way our young adults waste time I believe it is quite subtle and like the drifting away as mentioned in Hebrews so how do we as parents and elders deal with this practically yes very important question sorry about it I missed pastor would you Mr. Jean anyone can please take this question for us yeah I think I'll let Jean hand take this up go ahead okay thank you pastor thank you pastor Diana Ghazala I think I'll just refer to one scripture over here in Proverbs where it talks about you know it gives us the example of the ant and it says you know you sluggard consider its ways and be wise if you're looking for a specific practical answer and then when you look at that scripture it talks of how industrious the ant is and if there is something that we need to teach children and young people of being you know wise and ensuring that they make use of their time I think the first and foremost way is by is leading through example is being those role models who are like the ant who are industrious who ensure that they work together they take stock of things so for parents and elders that's the initial the most important way because it's things like this are never taught it is taught and the more that they see people working around them you know it helps them to form a sense of discipline in their lives I'd say the second thing is to be able to gently lead them which may be I mean I'm saying this because I have teens in my home and it takes a lot of patience it takes work to remind them over and over again that there are maybe there is work to be done there are things to be done and gentle reminders yet being firm and disciplined in the way that you do that it may not happen in a day it may not happen in years or in a season but the more that they watch you the more that you encourage I believe that that's something that will come come by yeah thank you thank you thank you sister jean Ghazala I hope that answered your question thank you sister jean I don't know if I understood wrong but I do have a job I work and I think I'm leading properly at least so I don't know where this is going wrong sorry I didn't really understand what we're getting at maybe I can add one is one is to kind of get them interested in productive things where they are inclined towards I'm giving an example suppose one of them is very artistic has a artistic bend now they could waste a lot of their time in watching lots of videos or whatever shows on that but maybe because they have that get them interested into a skill which they can use for the future so example I'm just giving an example maybe get them interested into graphics design get them interested into developing learning that as a skill or get them into video production learn that as a skill or get them into there's so many areas where an artistic bend could be used practical skills can be developed so what happens is the development they're actually moving in their area of interest but they're actually developing a life skill which can bring the money in the future and get them professionally same thing if somebody's interested in you know let's say programming so like what we did with Joshua was in his 8th grade we got him involved into electronics and computers and programming so he started programming when he was in 8th grade we got him a computer and so he started programming because he was just really interested in computers so we kind of directed him and so he really caught on to that he was a life skill which you know today you know he didn't even have to finish college he had more experience as a programmer by the time he was in his first year second in college then people would have finished a degree in a college degree in computer science he could do more than them by the time he was just starting college because we just got him interested in that skill which he developed he just kept learning and nowadays you know you have a lot of courses online so what happened was his time was used very very productively even though he was pursuing something he was passionate about you know so like that if we see what are they passionate about and what is the skill that can be developed with that passion but that's going to be useful professionally you know and the factors that are so many options today that we can just put them in which would be useful professionally for the future so I would just add that to what Jeanne said Ghazala your mic is mute your mic is mute so thank you pastor I was doing something practically that I as a parent can do I'm already maxed out I'm stretched out I don't know how much harder to do the gymnastics you know there is a time of pulling back spraying, fasting all of that I'm doing so what you said really helps bless you I could do with your prayers in that direction thank you thank you thank you that's great to know your question was answered Ghazala okay we have a question from John based on one Thessalonians chapter 5 verse 23 he said we understand that as believers God expects us to be satisfied completely spirit soul and body as per one Thessalonians 5 23 what all comes under sanctification of spirit could you also please help with few scriptures for this okay yeah can I request pastor Nancy to take up yes pastor you can go ahead let's share a few things and then others can add to it yeah so let's see here second Corinthians 7 1 so Paul in second Corinthians 7 1 he says let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and the spirit perfecting holiness the fear of God so it's very interesting he says let us cleanse ourselves of all filthiness of the spirit so we understand flesh means okay all the wrong deeds we do but he's also saying filthiness of the spirit things that are touching us on the spirit level and some of the things he mentions in the preceding verses of the second verse if you read earlier 16 onwards it's talking about light cannot fellowship with darkness Christ cannot fellowship with satan and therefore he says come out and be separate don't touch the unclean thing and I will receive you I'll be a father to you and you'll be my sons and daughters so God has given us this but then he continues chapter 7 verse 1 cleanse us of all filthiness so there are things that contaminate us or affect us spiritually and what would these be these would be unseen things you know like attitudes pride, jealousy hatred bitterness competition strife you know those things which not always manifest in deeds like you know murder or adultery or that but they are things of the spirit right but they are also classified as works of the flesh but they are things in insight in our inner person which we need to keep away so when we say just sanctifying the spirit keeping the spirit pure it means these wrong things which people can't see many times people can't see if you have hate towards somebody else on the outside they'll say oh very nice person but inside he could be having hate towards you know somebody but hate God can see and it's of it contaminates the spirit so it cleanses ourselves from all of those things others can add to it please thank you pastor pastor Nancy you would like to share I had one to a pastor said please yeah thank you I think we've run out of time but actually I have a follow up question more than you know giving a response pastor maybe we could address that sometime I'm just wondering because the spirit is perfect it's made perfect the born against spirit so yes there can be influences that can affect the spirit but I'm just wondering pastor because in the body and in the soul we talked about the flesh which can get contaminated but can the spirit get contaminated I'm a little yeah confused about that thank you yeah so the thing is this right so we distinguish between the human spirit and God's Holy Spirit so our human spirit as spirit we are in Christ but it doesn't mean we so that we are perfected in the sense that that's so there is this and the way we distinguish it is what God is completed for us in Christ and where we are actually that means we are in our journey of with God so this is what God has given to us in Christ positionally so that's positional truth and there is the practical side that means where are we so we're all born again we're all in Christ positionally practically we have to walk so we see things our spirit has to grow so the human spirit for each of us we're not all at the same level each one of us have to grow human spirit has to grow the human spirit has to be strengthened so if we were perfect then why do we need to be strengthened if we were perfect why do we need to grow if we were perfect why do we need the human spirit if we were perfect why do we need to pray in the spirit so the human spirit within us is perfect positionally in Christ but practically there is a stage of growth there is a stage of you know development and so when a person sins there is no such thing as you know well my body did it I didn't do it no you sinned spirit soul and body you're responsible right so we can't go before God and say God my body sinned but my soul and my spirit was not in agreement no you sinned spirit soul and body you as a person not responsible so sin is a spiritual thing it affects spirit soul and body so can a believer sin yeah does it mean it's only body sins and soul and spirit doesn't sin no you sinned spirit soul body a person sins and is held responsible so we need to understand the difference between positional truth and where we are practically and then this journey of being perfected in Christ thank you thank you pastor thank you pastor thank you thank you pastor thank you pastor Nancy pastor Paul pastor Roshan and sister Jean for sharing your God's wisdom with us and I'm sure each of us are praying every week after week because we all are learning together so as the time is up let's pray and bring the session to close can I request anyone of us to please lead us in prayer Divya can you lead us in prayer please sure thank you lord thank you father for this time that you gave us thank you lord for teaching father lord in every questions father lord we have the solutions we have the answers in your word father lord we thank you for the wisdom lord that you have poured out lord into our pastors father lord to teachers to guide us father lord from the truths that they have learned from the word thank you lord help us father lord that we may be able to hold on to these truths father lord and lead many others to Christ lord thank you in praise you Jesus amen amen amen thank you so much for joining in today's mentoring see you all God bless