 Welcome back to the breakfast and plus TV Africa time for the press and at this point in time We will take you through the pages of our national dealies and also have a guest who would make sense of some of the headlines We have Chris one do was a chat at me a detour and a console and a console Okay, I would actually allow that slide. It's good to have you join us Chris I'm so wonder. Thank you. Yeah, thanks to you and great to finally have you in the studios. Thank you very much Okay, so let's set up with the leadership newspaper this morning We'll be looking at the banner caption on the leadership newspaper amongst orders Pressure mounts on APC leaders to shift national convention. That's the board caption and you have several riders postpone convention reunion your legacy Pgf DG tells bunny says APC playing into PDP's hands Selfish personal interests must not override Pat's interest. That's what you have on the leadership this morning Bashu Tophah June 12th actor and quintessential politician bows out at 75 President Muhammad Abouhari governors and northern elders mon. This is some of the headlines on the leadership newspaper this morning All right, and to the punch newspapers New year celebrations experts project high infection rate as Nigerians Sean protocols at fond spots uncontrolled crowds at beaches on others to fuel Community to transmission experts warn recovery rate drops by seventy three point two percent and CDC distributes 400,000 COVID-19 testing kits Also, Lagos train service will begin this year says governor song will loop We can also find their police go off after revelers behind attack on Tini in the reverse community We can also find their man exchange blows Arrested as hired killer fails to eliminate pregnant ex-wife Still on the punch eight dead 17 injured in Ogum Aquabomb crashes FRSC blame speeding and others Bowery and others mon Tophah as MK Uab Yola's presidential poll opponent dies at 74 And now Hanazah speaking saying why Jonathan must support Igbo presidency in 2023 Sustained bombings forced terrorists to surrender ACF tells military Nigeria's debts vulnerable and costly alerts the World Bank Customs and immigration on others failed to remit a 127 billion Naira says an audit report Those are the big stories on the punch newspapers this morning Away from the punch newspapers. Let's also check out The Nigerian Tribune looking at the Nigerian Tribune the banner caption says Governors to watch in 2022. I mean you have That's a pictorial representation of that APC convention Governors forum DG falls Carlos call for postponement And you also have caution bonis committee says it's a plot to destabilize party Ibadon high chief meets Lekon Balogun and doses him as next Olu Badoom And just before we move away from Nigerian Tribune this morning Former nrc presidential candidate Toffer dies He is also abuelas open and I mean talking about bashit toffer who dies at 74 Might just be dominating all of the papers impact of Cash crunch on economy worsens than covet 19 2022 expat sets agenda for economic growth and development And that's the much we can take this morning on the Nigerian Tribune To the daily independent now southern governors divided on zoning 2023 presidency Also 2023 APC working on a lie that will return PDP to power says a PDF DG Says also postponing APC convention beyond February to spell doom New findings may stop installation of Lekon Balogun as new Olu Badoom As former commissioner writes governor Mckinney Buhari Attiku Ganduji aim others mourn former presidential candidate Toffer One shot dead as police foil attempt to burn imo Monarch's palace And um I packed bags Buhari says direct primary model unrealistic now acts national assembly not to override president's veto And we'll say good morning once again to Mr. Chris Wando. Thank you very much for joining us very Well interesting stories. I believe across the papers. I think we can start with the death of Toffer Not very many people, you know remember that he you know has been you know, we're still in this, you know alive and He also hasn't gotten involved in politics, you know since the end of the elections Yes After the 1993 election Which was Unleashed and purportedly Won by mk abuela and all the intrigues and politics That went through that period till the death of mk abuela later But she Toffer remained and moved and just left politics And that in itself added to what some of us are lying before even coming to politics He wasn't much of a politician He was just Picked by some powerful individuals who felt that I mean he can give abuela a run for his money, but Abuela won him even in his own states And as a gentleman at a statesman, he went quietly back to his and he never for I never had him any time talk about politics or issues on bed I I would have I wouldn't know but Not not to the best of my knowledge. I I thought That he would have home paint to paper to tell Nigeria's what has really happened in 1993 and his own Participation, you understand as a memo for but He's so rest in peace. He has gone to rest And Nigeria is left for the rest of us and our leaders to do the needful So it's okay 74 not too old, but at least For whatever he has achieved within and he was a very successful businessman If you're a very very successful businessman and he's so rest in peace Not very often you hear of Nigeria politicians completely backing out Of the political space exactly, you know, the the you know financial gains that are you know, possible So, you know, like you said, you know, he's one of those who wasn't necessarily a politician No, he wasn't he was more of a Technocrat than a politician. So and I believe he was one of those that believe that Politics is not for making money, you know for some people Politics is business to him. Politics wasn't business He probably came out to serve and when he wasn't getting the opportunity to decide He wasn't a guy. He was never a governor. He was never a deputy governor. He was never a senator And also, I know I know he was never a House of Reps member I don't know whether on other little or smaller Areas of Politics whether he was but he was never in fact he was his name was shocking when he came out in 1993 as the Flabbiara of NR and I remember vividly the I think that was it was that election that we started having televised presidential debate On television. Then the NTA, you know, network Invited Shifabiola himself I think Sylvester Hugo was one of the vice president presidential candidate, one of that person and It was it was a nice debate But as I said after the election the man just decided to just go back to his Business and he was not heard from very good on the very nice gentlemen and May so racing piece as I said Okay, away from that. Let's look at the leadership newspaper The confusion that seems to be going on with the apc and her national convention ahead of the 2023 election one would say that yes, it shouldn't matter, but that's a ruling party What are your thoughts the leadership says pressure mounts on apc leaders to shift national convention it should matter it should matter because apc is the A leading political party in Nigeria and it's also the political party in In power now so anything that affects apc affects the country So if they've not been able to put their ass together just about in 15 months to the general election then there's problem somewhere and And I'm seeing this as being self-inflicted sort of because if you realize what What are transferred within the apc in the last few months? You come to realize that just as the you know, as Shifabi said in his book things fall apart The center can no longer hold because if you look at from this local government to the State congresses to the other congress and rest of them what congresses it has been one problem or the other And you have seen several Even in the states where ordinary you just think that apc would have just had A blank check We were having factions in most of the state even Lagos state We are we are presently that you think that is a strong good of apc They had factions and rest of them and a reconciliatory committee was set up led by former Nassarawa state governor Adamu until now nothing has been done. But you couldn't even achieve anything. Don't forget that. They also set up one before In the past led by former chairman Biseh Akonde and the other one led by Ashwajib Bola Ahmed Tinubu None of this committee was able to reconcile members and you but it is not in you because if you look at The formation of apc. It's just a formation of people with different Several political parties different interests and interests and is that interest that is to drag within the state Those from the you remember the days of NPDP you remember then AD they were the cpc led by President Buwari and rest of the app too But today you come to realize that that problem is there and everything is is about 2023 Who is going to fly the presidential ticket of the party? Who is going to be the governors in the states and the rest of them? They are pulling themselves from and it has been established even within their members that the current interim Committee that is running the party or not to be because if you listen to what some of the key members of this like someone like Festos who has been kicking from outside that that this current interim Committee as it were can not stand the test of time and when you when it comes to when it comes to law that their own conversion their own Constitution is not a lot for bet. That is the problem. We are having so It's continue shifting and shifting but they need to get their ass together because if you look at the people Who thought that the problem would have been with pdp? But you saw the easy easy way that pdp resolve his problem So could you also? Yeah, because I mean some people are insinuating that With all of this is happening the problem might just be playing You know into the hands of the pdp ahead of the 2023 elections Well, whichever one they play into that's their problem But the fact is that they just have to get their ass together because if you They make some gains if I They make some gain what I mean by means on gains that after the 20 After that in 2019 election some pdp governors have moved to apc You know, I would also That is what I'm sorry consolation but that is just pocket of reconciliation But the main problem is that there are some very very very Fantastic big so-called big shots within the party who feels that the pattern is being taken away from them And who feel that they have been marginalized that they are not going to be given the opportunity to Participate fully in the 2020 and you know the gladiators. We don't need to start mentioning them Is there a reason they may have ignored uh, first of scale? Well, I believe that first of you know that initially first of kiyami wasn't more of a politician But now he's my politician and they also believe that first of kiyamo has some interest in uh, Policies in in data So I'm sure that first of kiyamo wants to go for the governorship of data come 2023 He has he has a running patrol with the deputy President the deputy president of the of the senate who seems to be the leader of the party in the state And that is where the issue so most often than not you might not be able to see them taking um, such a broadband also Yeah, but see instances. We are the uh, senior advocate of Nigeria So our members of the political party is people like the agf and rest of them have come to counter the Issues raised by first of kiyamo. So apc in itself is just a house divided against itself And I hope that time they'll be able to put their house together this year It just has to be this year because Campaign will start this year election is just next year So they must pick their various candidate for both presidential and and that is going to be a new talent and Why it is getting this bad is because the only person that needs the party together president Muhammad Wari is not coming back on 2023 in 2023. So it's more difficult for them now If the the rally point has always been if Wari is coming for a second time then they won't have this issue They have they of course they already know that they have the presidential candidate But you know Justin just mentioned, I mean shouldn't because the president is not You know returning in 2023. You shouldn't You know being that he's the leader of the party. However, I want to look at it. I mean the national leader Everyone is rallying around him and shouldn't he you know be concerned the party interests party How they call it they put it a party statesman or you know, um, all of that loyal Loyalty to the party and showing up for the party at the time where the party's in deer need a piece. He has a leader That's a national leader for a piece. I'm sure you are aware of that So president I showed you bullet Teenuble is always That the band is always referred to as the leader of the if you understand what I mean so And I the politics that maybe we have to hit it in here The politics I explain is between the camp of volatiluble and other people within the party That is Volatiluble as it were is a frontrunner in apc for the presidential Ticket don't also forget that his own golf son. Who is the vice president? It's been Who is the vice president of Nigeria? Yemi Oshiba is also being backed by some people then other The issue first and foremost is that Where is the presidential ticket going to south not? It has been decided subtly that it's going to the south if it's going to the south Which part of the south is getting is the south is is the south south or south west So if you go to the south, if it's go to south west as it may likely be Who is going to be so those are the issues that's a lot of policy if you understand And but in politics you can be rest assured that A day can be As elongated to a year and they can just screen down to a day anything can happen in politics Because if you look at what happened in 2050 nobody in his widest dream ever knew that someone like Oshiba Joe become the vice president presidential candidate to President Buhari he was not even he was not even in the picture at all until the last day So let's just wait and see what happens But I hope that they will get their house together and just with their convention and let the So that they can start their campaign and rest of them because it will be much challenging for them in 2023 than it was in 2015 in 2015 they make so many promises that many Nigerians believed and voted for them Those most of the promises they cannot fulfill. So coming back to ask Nigeria to vote for them on in 2023 I don't know what they're going to base their promises on yes Achieve me here and there but it will not be as much as the expectation of Nigerians We're talking about issue of insecurity. That is one of the fundamental reason why president Buhari was Voted in 2015 you're talking of the economy. We are also talking of some other issues corruption and rest of them have them Be able to feel that Let's wait and see now talking corruption You know The next thing I want you to speak on is something that we always bring up Every now and then, you know, but we only talk about it, you know from pages of newspapers and the likes the government itself Never seems to actually act a few days ago. We spoke about the president You know, I mean urgent for a probe on the NDDC and the billions of Naira that have passed through the NDDC that don't seem to have gotten anywhere We've also spoken about the auditor general federation claiming that 9 billion Naira Seems to have gone unaccounted for missing from the national assembly We also spoke this morning about 3.2 billion Naira, you know, that has gone to ghost contractors in the Nigerian police force On the point this morning says here customs immigration 13 orders failed to remit 127 billion Naira from an audit report Why is this the stereotype, you know situation in Nigeria Where you hear of these staggering amounts of money that seem to be unaccounted for missing or unremitted and the likes And we just move on Because we're not doing the needful What is the needful ability to be able to arrest and thoroughly prosecute people that have been fingered To engage in corruption and that in this type of problem or we go halfway and we just let them go And part of the problem is with our graph agencies and our security agencies They don't seem to do total job because even if you get somebody arrested And you take him to the court and you cannot be able to prove Prove was enough evidence to be able to prosecute becomes a problem So that in itself can be very very frustrating at the point But I I I have always said that Onto we begin to do the needful making sure that people that have been fingered and have been Look at the one of your own body and it is and remember what happened at the during the probe At the at the national assembly. Yes, you're off the mic and on the mic Remember those drama and that nollywood act that happened and after that Then the house of reps just kept quiet and just packed up the Onto the president set up a forest a forestic Committee how does the country move forward, you know like this How do we tell ourselves that we're fighting corruption? And we just move forward, you know when we see these things play out You cannot move on it. We cannot move forward We cannot move forward because a situation where you continue to say that people Are not taken and not Prosecuted it becomes until you make An example of people It's not the kind of this thing we are doing. It's just this pocket of one or two Make an example of people irrespective of whatever they are There are instances where they've tried once in a while to try to pick up some Some politicians and rest of them But we're not going to the This is of when you say that you have an investigation has been carried out There's so many panels that we are set up. There are so many investigations There are so many recommendations that have been made to the president to the office of How many of these people have been prosecuted high profile We will have the situation where some of them were Prosecuted and sent to jail and they were quickly released. I'm sure you understand what I'm trying to say And they were released and we want to start over again That is not the way to go because impunity will continue to manifest itself when people are not heard at canteen But rather what do you see? You see a poor man that goes to steal 5000 naira Give 1000 the 10,000 naira and rest of the season may be prosecuted Paraded by police and rest of how many of these people have been paraded by police It's true How many of them this high profile people have been paraded by police? And I also believe that the problem is also with our judicial system We don't need to work on our judicial system because most of these corrupt leaders have so much financial war chest to fight To fight back They hire the best of sons and the rest of them and at the end of it or they get away free There we also go the the business is we are even going through the issue of plea bagging with some of them And you say oh plea bagging is for us to be able to bet you also because in plea bagging is a win-win situation You say well, I've stolen 150 billion a billion. Can we have about 100 billion? You can take the money 50 Exactly and just get away. So that is the issue So I think that this issue and I thought that the president mohammed were in a promise in 2050 that he was going to fight Corruption stand still I just saw him. I just see him fighting is sitting down. There's no stand still. There's no standing The way it is I even worse It's a different case if you say fighting sitting or fighting standing and then some other people would argue that there's no fighting That is what I'm saying. I'm saying that I've not seen anything Yeah, so I'm just re-emphasizing what you're saying. There's nothing nothing seems to happen And I can tell you that if or whatever is in if this government is a PC government Faced to win the election in 2023 You will see this kind of home that would that would be inherited But I know if another particular parties comes in just like happen with the NSA and rest of them on this idea I believe that it could be worse when it comes to 20 after after this present government leaves And that is the way we roll and we continue moving as if nothing happens And that is why the intentional committee doesn't take you off seriously On a daily basis, we are going and borrowing billions and billions of naira from china from all over the world That we are going to channel even some of this money that we are supposed to channel into this I'm cannot assure you that some of this we say have been preferred by some government agencies and individuals And it cannot be accounted for it I know that some projects are going on but I can tell you for free that all the money that has been We are collecting and rest of them from each of these countries I don't think that all of them are bigger and it is where the president and because the boxed up Are the table of the president is the ceo is the managing director of Nigeria as it were as a project And you cannot be a managing director and wait for your company to run Nigeria is running down and we're doing nothing about it Okay, let's quickly share your thoughts on this one. It's on the daily independence. Southern governors divided on zoning 2023 presidency now, this is You know earlier on those southern governors had agreed that no northern I mean no political party should file any candidate You know from the northern part of the country and they seem to you know, go back on the awards They're no longer on the same page where they started from Desperate, uh, don't forget that there's nowhere in the constitution that is written that the president must come from the north or come from the south And this is just a gentle manner in agreement and agreement by the political parties and our political leaders And okay, they've not have this period then the start because it's for equity and fair play but The way it is It's where even some northern governors have already started saying that you should go to the south I I had the governor of kassina state saying something of that nature a few weeks ago The governor of kassina state has taken some and rest of them So but whichever way the problem we're going to have you know, I started when I started I said the issue will also be if he zoomed to the south Where will he go to and that is where the problem is going to be So it's there for the two political the major political parties and other political parties to make sure that okay It is the time of this even some feel that some people are even the some school of thought I even say that these two major political parties just need to decide east Some people have that school of thought that oh, okay South ways have had their share south side have had their shared that between 1999 and now that the south is is only Within the south that have not gotten that but you cannot sit down. I'll just be waiting for Political office to be just drop or you must work for it If you wanted to come to the south is what are the south leaders doing to be able to attract other part of the country to support them in the north because Your vote in south is a look cannot win presidential election Even the whole of the south cannot win to you also need the not to be able to succeed So how are we are they getting across to also the northern leaders the northern Elite the northern people and rest of them that so that whatever person that eventually emerges from the south We have the support of all that parts of the country for you to be because Whether you like it or not There is no way if you put the whole vote of the south Together, I still wouldn't give it wouldn't give you the presidency. It wouldn't We need to go, you know, but in in 20 seconds, you know, I just wanted you to respond to You know people who would say that from the conversations we're having with regards 2023 It's pretty obvious that Nigeria is not interested in actually choosing quality of You know and putting people in power that will actually move the country forward We're still looking for personal interest looking for religious interest looking for political interest And not actually people who will move Nigeria forward I would say this From 1999 even from 1979 Most of the presidential leaders that we had are people that We are not willing to come out most of them we force them. It's true. That's what they always say start from Shagari 79 Shagari was a teacher before he became a politician. I was say, oh that he was not listening But he became a president. We saw what happened. Let's even leave the What do you call them? Let us even leave the military guys 1999 Uh, Mubasa Njo wasn't the best of the candidates It was the military that forced Mubasa Njo on us The person that came after him what happened Yara Dua Yara Dua was he say he was retiring after being a governor In Casinas, he wants to go back to his farm and teach whatever he wants to do They forced him to say they forced him from there a good Lord Jonathan Yeah Just from Bayesa state the man say he wasn't in trade. He was not he wanted to be president They moved in and say okay take over from and that was what has been Go ahead it was a like yesterday. We say okay for about four or four times four about four or five times He tried it and he finally succeeded But so at the end of it or you come to see realize that those that I will you know why they will not give opportunity for The young people that are willing to serve because If the person come you change the tattoo school From what they're used to there's so many fantastic young people that wanted to run in 2019 You saw them very very well if I don't need to start mentioning them But we do are we going to give them the so they are on to be able to Dissert this issue of God for that is him and some people that are always imposing and that is why Someone like me supported the idea of the direct or indirect primary that are being That was passed by the national assembly by see what happened Some people with some godfathers within the parties have tried to hijack that and mentioned that the president decided You know what that would have given they have given opportunity for us to come up with the people That are so we need they are not just people that will be picked and picked by some individual But we're going back down route again because the national assembly Definitely when they resume with expunge that aspect of into in order to pack the little we continue going this route Chris Wander, thank you very much for joining us once again and for starting of the year with us Thank you very much for having me This is where we wrap up with of the press this morning We would first be sharing with you what happened on this day in history And then right after that our first major conversation for today is Nigeria ready for a global energy transition In the next couple of years. That's our first conversation for today. We'll be back