 remark of how the car in front of us had been leaving some pretty unusual sort of marks. We just went wide on this corner, the rear hit the back, then the spun round in the front of the back and it just took me gently over, but by that stage the front steering had been well gone. That's what we say, we've blocked the road and of course the stage should be cancelled so yeah, these things happen. Simon you've ended up having a fairly good day but you don't think it's down to your driving entirely? Well no, I was here obviously four years ago and we've done some silly things and went off pushing a little bit hard so I came with the attitude this time. I wasn't never going to go contact with the front runners but my plan was never to push as hard to keep, you know, to try and win the rally so we've just slowly moved forward all the time. They keep dropping off. Obviously a few of the lads that were out earlier on in the rally are now coming back so we just got to keep them abate and just keep doing what we're doing more off so yeah it's working, it's working really well. It was a difficult day today, Banks Peninsula is a place to be respected so we took it easy there. It was incredibly thick gravel over there, especially in places and the second stage I went off on a corner and bent my steering so we limped through the stage. Vince also had a drama in there and lost a wee bit of time at the end so that meant I didn't lose as much as I could have and then the last stage on the peninsula coming into Little River we punctured so we drove the last three or four k's with a flat rear so we lost quite a bit of time there as well. Everything felt right this morning and the stage as well last time when we were down here we had a good run on those so I thought right well we'll make those ones the ones to have a crack at and it just worked out pretty well. So end of day four and it's been a fairly eventful day too. We're in Timaru, we're roughly halfway through the event and what happened today is Brent Roosteron had a big off, they say they'll have it repaired and back overnight but he's lost his place in the interim and so has Jeff Judd lost first place to Vince Bristow who ran further down the order with a late start and has had sweat roads all day. Only four seconds in that between first and second and Dave Strong still leading in the challenge. We head for the need and tomorrow another long day and probably a high attrition rate again.