 Woo-hoo! Welcome everyone to Modern Day Debate! We're a neutral platform welcoming everybody from all walks of life. If you're looking for even more juicy debates, don't forget to like and subscribe, including tonight's debate on Flat Earth with both of our interlocutors, T-Jump and Howard, here to help us find some answers, and if you enjoy what either of them say tonight, both of our guest links are in the description below. With that, I'm going to hand it over to Howard for their 10 to 20 minute opening statement. Thank you, Amy, and thank you for having me on. If you could play my video, that'd be brilliant. It pretty much says the whole argument. More and more, I see alternative world views get suppressed, while mainstream media platforms encourage us to trust the science and promote that we follow the new norm, but might this kind of marketing and propaganda be harmful? I don't have any problem with people having their own beliefs, but if our decisions are subconsciously open to suggestion, are our thoughts even our own? We're influenced by everything that our senses experience, and we tend to attract what we focus on, so I'm concerned that we're being hypnotised to conform, to become a stereotype product of our environment, and to discourage constructive criticism and new ideas. There are many ways to plan to cede, there's the analytical approach, distracting with a challenging task causing you to become open to suggestion of the actual message. There's delivering a message or suggesting an idea through a story or character that you can relate to personally, and then feel like you've come to your own conclusion. Sometimes we're triggered by direct suggestion, normally of two results, an extreme pro and an extreme anti, either to maintain a paradox, or to introduce a new idea, also known as the Hegelian dialectic. Using math and physics? That is an alarm to the geekiverse, that we must rise up and counteract these forces from the dark side, they're out there. We see how people change character when they're given certain roles or labels, it seems like we would know from the social experiments that pointing out differences only adds fuel to the fire, instead of focusing on what makes us the same, we tend to doubt ourselves when we hear multiple people or even the same person multiple times, so when I realised that I could see streetlights 20 miles away at water level, that should have been obstructed by roughly 80 meters of vertical drop, I decided to offer 10,000 euros on national Spanish television, now due to the pandemic I've had to take the offer down, but I think I've improved my point. Now when you look on the news, please pay attention to how many spinning globes you'll see at the start with the countdown, I don't believe that it's pure coincidence that you can find 666 so many times in the globe mathematics, maybe if we weren't hypnotised with false beliefs we wouldn't be so confused and find it so difficult to deal with some of the other problems in society. So instead of debating beliefs, maybe we should keep experimenting and until verified keep an open mind, although we think of hand gestures for just sign language, they're also known as mudras, and it appears that they have a psychological effect on their audience, as politicians and royalty seem very very keen and consistent on using them, so my concern is that if we are wrong about being on the globe, spinning on our axis, orbiting the sun, and the sun orbiting the Milky Way, these three movements could act like three different hypnotic spirals, casting us not only deeper into a trance, but also making us more susceptible to more deception and manipulation. But these guys are told how to pose, which means that there's definitely interest from the music industry and Hollywood to promote these things, old habits or maybe we're just being cursed with bad fashion, it would be crazy to assume that all of these celebrities are consciously promoting satanism, but it would be just as crazy to assume that none of them are in secret societies or satanic cults, when we know that people in high places have trust issues, so obviously for you to have such spotlight and influence over the general public, the only way that they could trust you is to have dirt on you. Maybe the conspiracy theorists were wrong about being chipped, but the specific biblical reference to the Mark of the Beast system is either prophecy or mockery, but it's definitely not a coincidence. We see numbers are important everywhere, and if we don't see the pattern in nature, or if we don't see the pattern in a language, that's our own problem, we won't be able to play the game as well as those that do. I was a member of a secret society, and now I regret it, because I see a lot of good people being misled to uphold a platform that helps evil thrive, and it allows the network to plant agents in all types of fields and leave their symbols in plain sight for those that see. To really just mock and negative prime the public to feel that they'll get this similar experience if they're silly enough to question any of the mainstream narratives, even if our conscious mind doesn't acknowledge it at the time, we can get influenced by flash imagery, reversed audio recordings, and there's also many artists like Taylor Swift, who have been known to release subliminal messages in the high frequencies. Not all Satanists believe in a horny red fallow, just like not all Satanists are into sex magic, cannibalism and blood rituals, some are just philosophically anti-Christian. You try and warn people of danger, nobody can take you seriously, and you're saying well, look at all the evidence everywhere, you know, I mean you've got to be blind not to see it, so I'm pretty convinced that people have been hypnotized not to see it, and I keep seeing these YouTubers in every country, there's these pro-narrative YouTubers and celebrities who are also indicating that they also have other affiliations. Like I say, logos of Hollywood and even NASA, but maybe because the best lies are 99% true. We're seeing a lot of ancient math and symbolism in modern religion and technology. We're seeing a lot of ancient ideologies in modern constructions. I'm seeing mainstream media telling people not to investigate in research for themselves, but rather to just trust mainstream media, and this is causing a lot of division because they're installing different beliefs in us, so I think the best thing is just to go out and talk to people and have real conversations because you can learn from every interaction. I met my friend Mike who's got me into biogeology and he's been showing me some of the 50 characteristics that exactly correlate with the anatomy of an elephant, of gigantic proportions, which has got us on the idea that yeah maybe there was Titans like the Bible and the Quran and many other ancient cultures have spoken about, which is you know maybe we're looking at it all our lives and we're just ignoring it because we've been brainwashed with spirals to just think that you know we've evolved from some big bang and we can see all around us that water erosion doesn't always add up because the channels are sometimes going horizontal and fractal and sometimes we can look at what's supposed to be water erosion and see correlations with the histology of a lung, of a giant, and then we see remnants of giants in architecture and carvings that relate to the fallen angels. We see correlations with technology all over the earth in ancient architecture and we're told that it's just all decorative and religious yet we see too many connections with power and energy generation, so it really looks like there was a lot more understanding of the earth before than there is now because there seems to be way too many coincidences for this just to be laughable. You can see star forts that not only have amazing construction but they resemble snowflakes and crop circles, so yeah maybe we just don't see these things because we've got cognitive dissonance and selective attention due to having spirals installed in our subconscious. Maybe we don't see all of the celebrities promoting satanic rituals just making out as if it's comedy and satire yet the theme is constant and it seems to be being taken very seriously if not by the artists themselves at least by the industries that employ them. According to the FBI files the pedophile networks tend to use logos that include spirals. We do tend to prefer comfort over the necessities. See if everybody was honest and admitted that nobody actually knows for certain, then maybe we wouldn't be so quick to follow other people's ideas. It doesn't seem healthy that politicians are now broadcasting their affiliation to these ideologies of witchcraft nature and calling it art when we know that the United Nations has been founded literally with the beliefs that the world is overpopulated when we know that it's only overcrowded in cities. For this reason there's lots of conspiracy theorists that are very concerned with the way that the world's going and the people that are guiding us there might not be so trustworthy especially when we can see that the entertainment industry were able to predict so much of the current world events and especially when we can see way too far. For the dimensions given here's a video from my friend Vika who could see thousands of miles away and if you're still not convinced then please check out the beautiful Bolivian salt flats Saladio Uni where they've even sent people from Oxford academic to measure over a hundred kilometers and there's no curvature I mean come on there's supposed to be 781 meters of vertical drop over that distance to ignore that would make you literally a science denier and you don't have to be religious to acknowledge that there's over 200 verses in the bible at least nine IS from the Quran and loads of carvings that all suggest that we are being lied to I'm not convinced by seeing Buzz Aldrin on the moon or by seeing the international space station fly above me I would expect that the suits would not let x-rays through and that they'd also not be so flexible to be honest I was more convinced by Michael Jackson's moonwalk because I've seen Argos harnesses for adults and I've also seen commercials and hairspray to get the floating effect I'm not convinced that the shuttles can go that the speeds that they say or that the people could even withstand the speeds that they claim so there's lots of conundrums with the globe model being different than every other so-called planet in outer space and there's also lots of contradictions in their own official statements and you have to laugh at how easy it would be to fool people but don't take my word for it look at the official data I'm not buying it you know what we see in reality and what we're showing on television it just doesn't add up especially when you see the same cloud patterns from one year to another then you should really start to question the integrity of your trusted sources this is the GOES goes west uh satellite those clouds right in the middle that line that's going horizontally across they're not moving they're not changing they're not disappearing clouds disappear when it rains Michael you know all this please be honest be honest I would say it's probably not raining at the time there this is the discover satellite let's just watch them clouds that you're believing in there you go welcome there you go so here we go we have the GOES east satellite that doesn't look very realistic to me Michael please you should be able to admit this be honest um so this is this is the Himawari 8 which is in also geostationary uh again no cloud movements oh what a silly mistake you guys would be better than this look at the official imagery that we're being shown and if some are fake then why would they not all be fake why would they need to fake any we can go to other official footage and we seem to see the same problem and if some are fake then why would they not all be fake why would they need to fake any why is the moon so dull in certain imagery but we see it so bright why can't we find a real photo of a whole country I recommend look for a country like the United Kingdom or France or Spain and you'll see that there's vast differences there's absolutely no way that we could see such change with such detail but not see cities and it's laughable they even admit that they're using animations and now they're admitting that the moon is inside our atmosphere we can't just ignore the idea of earth's atmosphere being next to a vacuum when every experiment that we observe shows that gas pressure needs a container we also shouldn't ignore that a railgun can use a laser beam and shoot a target a hundred miles away without having to account for curvature or the Coriolis effect just like a helicopter can hover for hours in one position or the Red Bull skydive could spend three hours above New Mexico without having to worry about landing in a different place and you can clearly tell that they faked the curvature with a fisheye lens yeah every lens yeah so there is some distortion so when someone claims that they've seen a curvature ask for a photo and just remember that even the virgin galactic showed convex anconcave so i recommend doing practical experiments which is the best scientific method i know of but many people just ignore practical experiments and depend on the different explanations as excuses for seeing what we see in reality we all can learn about the phenomena of light refraction and mirages when we make repeated observations we can observe that the horizon is an apparent location due to atmospheric refraction we see things get stretched and squashed and the horizon being an apparent location due to optical illusions due to atmospheric conditions but what we don't see we don't see any distortion to objects on a clear day when we do see too far and we can also i'm not buying that it's a mirage i'm not buying that it's a mirage when national geographic and the discovery channel claiming to have proven curvature when their own footage clearly shows that they are mistaken or intentionally dishonest but latently reading off a script or always promoting official narratives and ridicule practical experiments and be in the trending section the science speaks for itself you can either believe in what you've been told the look for an explanation in a book or you can make the experiment yourself this field of research could tell us a lot more about the nature of our reality i mean sci-matics is like looking into another realm it's like looking into the other dimension taking a glimpse into another dimension they're already using it to try and decipher what dolphins are saying and they're building languages they're also using sound to visualize what dolphins can see people ask if the earth is flat what's underneath there are many explanations and even experiments that can demonstrate how alternative world views could be possible just like the game pacman where you go off one side of the screen and appear on the other different people can have different explanations and even predictions but you can't know for certain unless you manipulate whatever shape earth is maybe we're only able to see the physical plane of existence like we see the sand or water form patterns in sci-matics experiments but we don't see the entire pattern of the magnetic field unless we glimpse into that dimension with a ferrocell lens and even then maybe we're only looking at a 3d shadow of an actual 4d shape i wish you guys could see this in person because you literally do have over three inches of depth on a fair fluidic solution that is less than one micron then these little black hole looking formations over here that's either whole respectively just like we can only partially see a magnetic field maybe we're only able to partially see the moon sun and stars so yeah we could be looking at a reflection or like they say a shadow of a higher dimensional object projecting into our dimension at different times of the year we can at all observe venus either before the sunrise or just after the sunset extremely bright in the blue sky which suggests that it cannot be positioned in between us and where the sun is as we're taught to believe as that would mean that we're looking at the dark side and it's clearly as bright as any star in the sky not only do we still see constellations like the big dipper still going around Polaris in exactly the same place the stars haven't changed position in thousands of years as seen in the constructions of the ancient civilizations the sun and the moon make figure eight in the sky over the course of a year known as anilema why is it that we don't see this in any of the constellations considering that we're supposedly on the other side of the sun we're being encouraged to ignore reproducible evidence for theories and if mainstream media promotes something with a cartoon i'm supposed to believe in it i'm supposed to take their word for it when it could have been maneuvered by hand i just keep seeing inconclusive evidence that's been up for debate to keep people divided politics as usual and as always mainstream media promotes the debate because it keeps us against each other maybe if people didn't subconsciously believe they were spiraling around the universe they'd be a little bit more suspicious about the Antarctic Treaty maybe they are hiding other lands and resources like admiral bird said or maybe there is a firmament as depicted in the bible karan and many of the ancient carvings but i wouldn't recommend going there apart from the potential threat of military you don't want to come over as a cult member trust me i've been there in general be suspicious of anybody that you keep seeing on mainstream media especially if they add to the satire and it's good to stay suspicious of anybody else that keeps appearing in the spotlight especially if they cause division or add to the satire that there's already too much of because of negative priming sarcasm the satire it causes people to not be able to take many topics seriously and just go along with the narrative of those that are potential threat no matter how much they contradict themselves we just seem to put a lot of faith in technologies of people when there's all the technologies already out there that have been going for quite a while that nobody seems to be aware of and nobody seems to be worried about the other effects on us on nature and everybody's worried about carbon and everybody's worried about viruses but nobody's worried about toxins nobody sees the damage of toxins and there could be other causes and other explanations and that maybe we're not always being told the truth and sometimes there's a lot more financial gain behind a theory and why the majority of sequences have to be generated and they even admit that they only put a small percentage could possibly mean we've got a misdiagnosis or maybe the original interpretations weren't a hundred percent but in case things are being blown out of proportion for other agendas it might be wise to just remember that other things seem to come and go we're putting a lot of faith statistics that could be skewered i mean i'm sorry but i'm not a flu denier i think it's insulting to say that every country has similar outcome by just going with the flow so much so that people don't even see the harm that they're causing to themselves and the same pattern of punishing the person that speaks out is echoed throughout celebrities and politicians even though as influencers they should all know about the experiments that prove that people with authority have a very strong influence over the general public hence why many times predictive programming is used beforehand to obtain a desired result from the audience because it's well known that people do abide to authority as true as the cliche practice makes perfect with repetition things become normalized and we acquire new habits and new or otherwise previously undesired customers become normalized could it be that we're allowing ideas and liberties to be hijacked by organizations with agendas i'm not claiming to know the truth i'm just trying to explain why i believe skepticism is healthy and necessary in society it might be tough going out alone at first i can speak from experience but with time people see that you're doing a good thing for a good cause people come and contribute their skills and their ideas and eventually you're not the odd ones out everyone wants to be part of it because everyone realizes that they were mistaken and that they wish they jumped on sooner but it's better late than never so to everybody out there i really really ask you please stop listening to what other people say and just make some primary observations for yourself and really look with a critical eye at the official evidence and i'm quite sure you'll come to the same conclusion you've just got to connect the dots thank you so very much howard for your opening statement thank you and with that we are going to hand it over to tjump for his 10 to 20 opening minutes David okay then um so that was weird oh i forget you move over here still showing up on full screen minimize there we go got it throw that down all right so um we know for a fact the world is in fact rounds because we've seen it we've been to space we can literally see it um anybody can go there you just buy a ticket now uh more importantly we can demonstrate here on earth like one thing i said i think the only thing i in his video that i actually agreed with was that we should do pragmatic experiments that we can test for ourselves and we can there's just one really cool experiment we can do which is we can build a ham radio ham radios are amateur radios that anybody can build in the backyard for a cheap amount relatively cheap amount we can bounce radio signals off the moon so we can know exactly how far away it is and we can know it the shape of the planet by bouncing off at multiple locations if we balance it off in three different locations and it's all the same distance at every time of the day everywhere we look at it then there's only one possible physical shape of the planet it's literally not possible for it to be any other shape if it's if the moon is always measured to be the same distance away from all points from all any point in the day when you measure it because if you measure it from like two different points at the same distance away maybe it's a triangle it could be a single point away but if you measure it from 10 points all different spectrums then it can't be flat because if it was then one of the points would necessarily have to be closer than the other so it has to be a circle we know for a fact the moon is a circular way from a sphere that we are standing on we can prove it for a fact anybody can do this at home just build a ham radio measure it at different distances or measure it at different places on the earth and you can know for a fact the world is actually round it's pretty simple all the conspiracy theory stuff he said is just bogus like i don't know the value of it it doesn't there's no evidence of any of that obviously we can't know anything with certainty other than we exist but you have to provide evidence and there's evidence for every of the alternative hypotheses that we are actually supported and all of his have no evidence that's why they're not supported like is it possible yes all of those conspiracies are possible but all of the things that we know to be true are actually better supported by all the evidence uh i'll just conclude there because that was that's enough thank you so very much tjump for your opening statement and we are now going to move into 40 minutes of open dialogue the floor is all yours guys cool was there anything in particular in the video you want me to respond to yeah let's start with um if there's really thousands of satellites in outer space can you provide me with a real photo of a whole country like spain or australia at day and at night and then backdate it annually for say 20 years so that we can see the difference of growth in vegetation in the day and the difference of the street lights with cities growing and stuff and new roads and that so yeah that would take a study that you'd have to ask nasa for like i don't have access to the satellites like what well i don't need that i'll just finish my question well i mean i can i can answer now i don't have access to the satellite i'm not asking for it now i'm i'm trying to say i challenge you and i challenge everyone out there that's watching to try and find a real photo of a whole country and be able to backdate it a few years so that you can see you know some comparison shouldn't be that difficult if there's thousands of satellites in space since the 60s 70s now try google google image search no no i'm asking can you find a real photo of a whole country because uh who cares the tune couldn't well it doesn't matter people that are interested in this investigation of is the globe um sorry is earth really a globe whether or not we can get a picture of a country does not have anything to do with whether or not the world was a globe like we knew the world was a globe before we had satellites or before we had photographs like well that doesn't matter we'll get there after but your one of your points was just that we've been to space we've seen earth yes we have a lot of people don't buy those images of earth because well if you don't care i don't understand what you're doing here tom let's try and just my goal isn't to convince you we've been to space like if you don't believe that that's your problem i can prove the world around wait wait wait don't interrupt so i can prove the world is round by you buying a ham radio going to your backyard and measuring the distance to the moon with radio waves i don't need to you don't need to be convinced that the pictures are real i don't care you can prove it in your backyard right so you're jumping points i wanted to know that's my only point my only point is you can go in your backyard you you had to you said we've been to space and we've seen earth well a lot of people aren't buying the images of earth because robert Simmons i don't i don't care i don't care i'm not my goal isn't to convince you of the images my goal is to finish my way don't interrupt don't interrupt don't interrupt stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop talking we all right guys now we're gonna we're just so i made i made one argument there's one argument the fact that we've been to earth isn't an argument stop talking the fact that we've seen the fact that we've seen the earth from space isn't an argument the argument i presented is that you can go to your backyard build a ham radio i don't care if you believe we've been to space or it's just a fact that's not an argument it's a fact the only argument i presented was you can go to your backyard build a ham radio and measure the distance to the moon improve the world is flat because if you measure at different points it's always going to be the same distance that's the only argument i presented no other arguments everything else is from those facts and then back to you Howard thank you you claim it's a fact yet you can't provide one photo of a whole country i don't need to right now you can't even take the challenge to find a real photo of a whole country and then try and backdate it like i said but let's go to your point you want to talk about your radio experiment because that's all you've got yeah so that's the only thing i presented right yeah it's all you ever present tom and i've heard loads of people argue over it with you i've heard people say that you don't know exactly how radio waves might react in different atmosphere conditions and different distances we do you've only checked radio waves down here on a on a level where we can actually measure them and stuff so when you're shooting up into the sky you're supposing that what comes back to you is the same as what you shoot down here also like i showed in my video that you sped up too fast no you didn't realize in the video i showed that there are other models like the cellular earth all right wait wait you gotta like two points there one second you brought up ten points let me before you add any more you can't you get you gotta stop i can't i can't remember everything you said you gotta stop slow down so you've brought up two points one we do know exactly how radio waves work here and in the atmosphere and in everything because radio waves are light waves we know how light waves work in space and on earth we can create vacuums we can see how they work in vacuums we know exactly how they work they travel the speed of light um so that part's proven false and so that was the only point remember what what next point what's what's your next point you were saying that the speed of light's constant now yeah no it changes based on whether or not it's in something like slows down in water right and what isn't water in the atmosphere air yeah yes water is in the atmosphere some air water like i said when you're shooting it up into the sky where the atmosphere has got different conditions and we don't know what you're bouncing back off um because if there is a firmament or an electromagnetic field of some kind like you call the van allen belt maybe it's bouncing off that and maybe it's the same distance everywhere for people because they're bouncing off the um the electromagnetic field or maybe that's a good question wait hold up hold like i was saying before hold up one point one point at a time one point at a time and then we'll go one point at a time i can't let him finish because you have it one point at a time like he goes on for like five minutes so his point was is that there could be like a firmament or an electromagnetic field that the light the radio waves could be bouncing off of if that was the case we would detect it if we pointed in every direction in the sky we don't we only get a signal back if we pointed at the moon that means the only place that this is happening is at the moon which proves that it's false that it's doing anything else with anything else in the atmosphere there because it only comes back when it's pointed directly at the moon no other time go ahead next point yeah um same point no the people that talk about electrons and stuff like that michelle phala from nasa they explain that electron can be in multiple places or in it can be in a whole field at the same time and that we're looking at a probability area so that we don't even understand the depictions of atoms aren't even right so when we're talking about electrons not necessarily having physical properties you're assuming that the moon is physical or third dimensional maybe it's a fourth dimensional thing that we're only seeing a slice of maybe it's different properties maybe it can be in many places at once maybe it can give different readings maybe the electromagnetic what do we call it field only gives that reading when the moon is in in that area there's lots of different explanations that lots of people forgive tom you aren't manipulating anything you're just getting a reading back and you're assuming that light you're saying that light doesn't change speed yet when we see it go through a glass prism it changes speed when we see it go through water okay we go back to your moon point go back to your moon point so we can know the moon is a solid object or whatever is up there is a solid object because radio waves bounce off it if radio waves didn't bounce off it it wouldn't be a solid object or at least a semi-solid object radio waves can't bounce off things if they're not physical secondly we can know the moon is at the right distance because it we always measure any point of the day it's always visible essentially 24 seven from somewhere on earth and it can always be measured to always be the same distance and it's only when we point at the moon if we point it at the same spot later in the day we get nothing if we point it at the same spot earlier in the day we get nothing it only works when we point it directly at the moon and only when we can see the moon so that proves it's physical that proves that what we're looking at if something is there where we're looking at it and the electron thing i don't know what your point was like yes there is a diffusion pattern and quantum mechanics that particles can be in multiple places that only affects like individual particles not large bodies so it doesn't affect large bodies at all the probabilities for large bodies is like 99.99 times 10 to the 120th probability which is essentially a hundred percent has a hundred percent probability of being right there the multiple wave thing only apply to like individual particles not macro level so i don't i don't know what your point was there doesn't change anything so okay next point yeah let's move on because you're sticking to your one experiment which you have manipulated nothing you're just getting a reading and you're making assumptions based on your preconceived ideas and even if your experiment was you know somehow able to manipulate and and you could prove your point it still doesn't prove that we're on a globe because we could be in a concave earth or another shape like a higher dimensional shape which is why i'm not a flat earth i keep an open mind and my point being you've got one experiment mate we've got loads there's loads i mentioned in my video and um you're sticking to your one and you're ignoring all of the others now that doesn't seem very scientific to me that seems like selective okay let's go let's address your your point again experiment what else have you got hold up well my experiment proves it so i'm going to stick with that experiment but you said that we could be on a concave earth well no we can't that's not actually possible because if we were on a concave earth i mean the moon would have to be directly above all of us the exact same spot and we'd have to be like in a halo ring around around the moon or something which doesn't make any sense so then we have to appear to everyone at all times so we can know we're not on a concave earth um we have to be on a globe because we measure the moon to be the same distance at all points while it's moving in the sky and so the only possible way for that to happen is if the world is a globe like if we're on a concave earth you can't it's not physically possible for the moon to move in the sky for one person to see it and measure it at a certain distance and for another person to not be able to measure it at the same distance it's like if someone else is on a different part of the world and it was equal distance from everyone then everyone should be able to measure it at the same time but they can't you can only measure it from one direction not another so what why is that a problem it was in the video in a concave earth it would still give the same readings as being on a globe just like walking around in a straight line but yeah let's change but can you explain that to me explain explain that a little bit more to me so a concave earth that means like uh the world is bent the other direction right it's like a like a cup a bowl I'm not trying to preach any models Tom I'm just trying to say if you look into the concave earth I'm not asking you to so I'm asking you to explain this to me so I say it is provably false you will not get the same readings on a concave earth it is not possible to get the same readings on a concave earth and I'm asking and you said it is you said you would get the same readings on a concave earth so I'm trying to ask for you to explain to me how so if one person is on one side of the planet and they can see the moon and they can measure the moon and another person is on another side of the planet and they can't see the moon anywhere this guy that comes up like on the edge how is that possible on a concave earth because because if it was concave everyone should be able to like measure it right no because this the theory goes that the sky is in the middle yeah so you would only you would either be looking at the daytime or the night time yeah okay so if the moon is going to come over the horizon point being look into the concave earth if you're interested I'm not a concave earth I'm just telling you that the concave earthers have got explanations and I put the in the video a visualization of how they can depict things and how the moon and everything would move in their model but maybe I'm not asking how it would move you're excited as well so I prefer to keep an open mind and look at things that we can verify for ourselves like you should be able to go back go back you bring up your moving points your moving points again wait wait wait so you're moving points again so I didn't ask about the way it would move I understand how the moon could move on a concave earth the problem is is you can't get the measurements on the concave earth you can't build a ham radio in your backyard and measure it to be 250,000 miles away from any location on a concave earth that isn't possible that that you can't do on a concave earth so if unless you can explain to me how that's possible then you can't use that as an argument that oh they could do it by some mysterious means because I've kind of disproven that whole worldview it's not mysterious it was clearly shown in the video in the graphic how it's a lot easier if you go back to the video or look into it in your own time there's loads of your video didn't show this your video didn't show this so what I'm asking is is how can wait wait wait my question is how can the moon be measured to be the exact same distance from every point on earth within plus or minus 10 percent because on your model that would not be the case on the pictures you showed they would make better to be different distances i'll buy a lot they got three times as far away from one way from one point and one time as far away from another point you wouldn't be able to measure the same distance on your model the one that you presented in your video of the not your model the concave earth model therefore that model can't work it can't explain the data I disagree you've got a globe inverted it's the exact same difference the moon's in the middle it looked Tom I'd really don't want to argue about concave earth because it's not my model but if you look into it you'll see that what you're saying is funny so again so here's a flat disk here is the moon if the moon is here it's one time away this way four times away this way much farther away now if the moon is measured to be the exact same distance from every single point the only way that's possible on a concave earth is if it's stuck right in the center if it moves anywhere it'll be closer to this side than this side so it has to be the exact same distance from every single point on earth the only way that's possible it has to be stuck right in the center now on a globe earth it's really easy because you haven't been the other way now you can say oh it's this far away from here and then it just keeps going around in a big circle that's the explanation concave earth doesn't work that way it has to be stuck so how can you get the exact same measurement of the exact same distance on a concave earth without with it moving how is that possible i could say the same for the globe model it's it's just the points that you've not looked into it and you're over simplifying it and i'm not really bothered like you say i don't care i'm just trying to explain that there's no argument you know that my argument is tom that you can you can interpret how radio waves work down here and you can verify it with manipulating it and measuring it with physical ruler you can't manipulate well i can debug that claim too but but right now i'm responding to your claim that the same measurements can be made on a concave earth that is provably false i can prove that false there's no possible way for that to occur so unless you want to retract that and say you were wrong or you can't explain it if you can't explain it that's fine you don't understand an hour trying to explain something a visual graphic just showed you in the video in a few seconds which if you don't go back to the video then don't bother but i'm trying to say the video fails i looked at the video the video fails so again how how does the does it get the same measurement of the distance of the moon every single time how because the video doesn't do that the video it's in different places the video is different distances the video fails the moon was in the middle yeah moon in the middle like you said it would have to be yep yeah they're not moving so it can't move moving but like we said about electrons maybe it's in multiple places at the same time or maybe it's who knows you're trying to talk about quantum mechanics and stuff as if you know about it when it's called quantum theory because it's a theory isn't it's because it hasn't been manipulated and it's also up for interpretation so i'm very i'm very very familiar with quantum theory and quantum mechanics theory is what everything in science is called so germ theory of disease the theory of gravity the theory of electromagnetism like all of those are theories because they're true theories are things that are built on facts it's the highest thing in science so like nuclear weapons those are the chemical decay theory though everything in science is theory so theory is essentially proven theory means proven but again so i mean i guess we can just move on because you can't you can't seem to explain to me how this is possible what was the other point i could try but i don't want to go far just like you said about the germ theory being proven well why don't mosquitoes transmit the hiv virus tom aides they do um no hiv is not passed by mosquitoes mosquitoes do like transmit aides or if they get if they can get it from the genitals essentially they get enough of it i haven't proven any transmission contagion of disease tom it's called germ theory because it's a theory well that's a virus look into the boston experiment that's a virus that's not it that's that's a virus so the hiv virus they call it a hiv virus yeah i hope mosquitoes don't transmit that mate because it's a virus not a bacteria and i'm just gonna bring you guys back it's very interesting but we're coming back round versus flat baby okay but tom said in one of his other debates that there is no bring up what i brought up in other divisions gravity there's no device to measure gravity you said to manipulate gravity oh i never said that but i but there's nothing to do with my i never brought that up in this debate so don't try to bring up what i brought up in other you've just said that theories are scientifically proven yet the theory of gravity hasn't been proven because there's no people can manipulate it like you said yourself tom yeah i never said that but yes it has been proven so the theory of gravity has been proven the same way every scientific theory is proven by making novel testable predictions you say if my hypothesis is true here's an experiment we will do and see this result we do the experiment we see the result then the theory is proven we do that enough times it is proven so the lego experiment proved gravity the binning of gravitational waves proved gravity the cmb proved gravity dark matter proved gravity the curvature of light around the sun measured by einstein in 1960 or something that proved gravity all the different things we've measured dozens and dozens of experiments have proven gravity the experiment mickelson morally proved gravity the experiment where we measured the speed of clocks atomic clocks one on the earth and one on the plane proved gravity the retrograde organ of mercury proved gravity those are just the ones i can list on the top of my head those all prove gravity no they don't like you've had this debate a million times look this is a boring because you're saying that the first to predict gets the credit and i'm saying the person who can manipulate to verify the independent variable to identify the definite cause and effect so this is an argument that you can have with what was what was that what was that your your claim is that the first person to predict gets the credit that's science if somebody can make a prediction the first person to make a prediction takes the credit that's what you've said yeah yep well that's ridiculous what was the thing you said about the manipulate you've also said tom that all data can be explained with infinite amount of hypothesis didn't you yep yeah it's called the problem so aren't you contradicting yourself a little bit no how would that be a contradiction because just because somebody made a prediction and got it right doesn't mean that they're 100 correct because someone else could make a prediction and get it correct and someone else can make a prediction and get it correct and the third person to make the prediction could actually be correct but you're just going to stick with the first person yet i'm right right so so the first one has the most evidence and then another one can get more evidence by making a new prediction another one can get more evidence by making a new prediction but the first one to be able to make successful predictions has the most evidence which the most supported and then others can come along and become more supported, but that's not a contradiction now. Well yeah it is because what you're saying is you're going to stick with your radio little experiments which you're not manipulating anything you're just making an observation and coming to the conclusion based on what you've based on what you've manipulated down here and you're going to throw out all of the other experiments that we've done and that we're asking you to do you're just going to ignore all of the other experiments and stick with your one because that's how you think science works. No I just I just know this one does work what was there a point somewhere in there like so mine proves the world is round? No you don't prove anything you prove that you have beliefs and you can support your beliefs with a radio experiment. No that's a novel prediction showing the shadows you can predict that the shadows are tilting because the sun's 93 million miles away and we're on a globe and then flat earthers can say well no it's because the sun's closer and it's smaller so you know you could argue about who can make the right prediction but at the end of the day unless you manipulate it you just never made a prediction. Have flat earthers ever made a successful prediction? Like globe earthers have made tons of successful predictions. Okay that's a great point the burden of proof is on you because people assumed that the earth was either flat or multi-dimensional before the globe came along so you know all the astrologers that the royalty used way before Copernicus came out so yeah people were predicting solar eclipses people were predicting all sorts of things. Yeah yeah so back before we knew the world was round people believed the world was flat and were able to make predictions. Have any recent predictions any recent progress in the past thousand years or so been made from a flat earther or is it all globe earthers? The only progress you're talking about is Hollywood imagery that I'm asking for a real photo of a country and you just want to keep diverting out because you can't find a photo of a real country. I don't need one. I'm trying to explain that so it literally doesn't matter if there's a photo of a country like that doesn't change the shape of the earth whether or not there's a photo of a country is irrelevant to whether or not the world is round. I don't have access to the satellites if I did I could get you one in 10 minutes I don't have access to them but it's again not relevant I don't need to like it's not whether or not I can you want me to google an image for you like I can google stuff for you. Please try and find a real photo of a whole country like the UK. I don't need to. Why would I waste my time on it? You can't no if I if I had the access to the satellites I could take one for you so I don't know which ones are real ones and which ones aren't some are manipulated some aren't but that's not my area you would ask someone who actually can do that. I can prove it's round without that I don't need to give you an image of a country. Why can't you find a photo of a whole country when there's supposedly been thousands of satellites? I can't tell the difference between a photo realistic picture from a satellite and a edited one like that's not my expertise I could ask and ask a person to do it. Thank you for your honesty so you so you're being honest now and saying that you wouldn't know the difference or that you might be biased because of your beliefs. Well I I know I wouldn't know the difference I wouldn't even look because it's not my area I don't care like it doesn't make a difference. You're here defending the globe because of one radio experiment and you're going to ignore that you can't find a photo of a whole country. Yes because the radio experiment proves the world is round like why would I care if I can find a picture of a country. It just proves that you can shoot radio waves at the moon and that they bounce back at a certain time it doesn't prove much else it doesn't say as much about the surface of the floor what you're saying about the distances I could say that it's the same distance on the firmaments all the time if that's the firmaments electromagnetic field or the path that it runs I don't I don't really need to stay on that argument all night on because you're just making interpretations based on what you believe from having the radio wave come back at you at a certain time. All right so let's let's address let's address that point so if it was the firmament being the same distance at all times why don't we get a measurement back when pointed in any other direction ever at any time of day where the moon is not there because maybe you need the moon to be there to get that reading why do you think that might be because it is there yes but it might have more properties than just a three-dimensional being you're only seeing one face of it yet you're assuming it's a sphere that's three-dimensional what if it's four-dimensional that's fine a slice of a 3d shadow of it that's fine the moon could be a square it would still prove the world is round like it doesn't matter what shape it is if it's a higher dimensional uh object then maybe you're saying that it's always giving us the same reading no matter where you are in the earth because that's all we can access and that's all we can see of it but maybe it can be in many places because it's multi-dimensional maybe it can be this is like the quantum stuff it's like all up for interpretation and someone that's really good uh with sometics could maybe explain it really beautifully and make you believe them but i'm not asking you to believe me i'm just trying to say keep an open mind you've got one experiment mate people have been showing you different experiments and different results for years now and you just keep brushing them off because you're one experiment so it doesn't matter what the shape of the moon is it doesn't matter how many dimensions it has we know that something there something one part of the moon one dimension of the moon causes the radio waves to bounce back and it causes the radio waves to bounce back from the same distance no matter when and where you're measuring it and you can like have one person all the way or like many people all the way around the world continuously measure the exact same spot and it always bounces back at the exact same distance so no matter what that is no matter no matter whatever the thing that is it proves the world is round because no matter what that is no matter how many dimensions well one second let me finish so no matter what it is no matter what dimensions is no matter what shape it is because that object even if it's like a camera lens if it's if it's a magical camera lens in space and it's measured to be uh 255,000 miles away no matter which time of day or which point you're measuring from the only way that's possible is if the world is round so i mean tell me about what kind go go ahead go ahead thank you thank you because we've all heard this so many times time it's boring mate um you said that radio waves are like light yeah that yeah they're yeah okay great great so you don't believe that moonlight chills water because you've never done yet because you've never done the experiment yourself you believe in i don't i don't believe that i don't i don't i don't believe that so i believe that yes moonlight does have a cooling effect not because of the moonlight but because it's blocking radio act great different kinds of radio i've actually looked this up at one time there is an explanation for this so cold moonlight does call mine can i finish my partner so i just want to this is beautiful we actually agree we agree that the moon does have a chilling effect but you believe in an explanation that you've read in a book that keeps your that keeps your confirmation biased so it's like yeah i can still believe in my globe and i can understand that the radio waves have bounced off that has no property like properties of its own but you know that's not my position no if i may just make my point so that you understand what position i'm saying well i apologize for interrupting but you keep saying you believe this and then i have to be like no that's not what i believe so so if you tell me what i believe i kind of have to interrupt me like nope so the reason the reason i believe this is because it can be demonstrated in a lab we can actually show what causes this cooling effect and it's not just the moon you can replicate it with lamps so we can we can demonstrate we know for a fact what's causing the cooling radiative cooling is i'm saying that you're assuming that that's the same cause as why was testing that moonlight cools water compared to water that's left in unsheltered shade of moonlight so you can have on the same surface where moonlight is hitting a glass of water and where moonlight is not hitting a glass of water yet they're both on the same surface they're not covered by anything else except for a wall in the garden that's casting shade so like i say try and do the experiment yourself and you'll see that moonlight does chill and you can manipulate it with a magnifying glass so you know that's not just a prediction and we don't need to keep going back to your explanations to try and figure it out and try and make an excuse for it if the moon if you just stand with me for one second if the moon is generating its own light and it has negative properties i'm not trying to say that it gives a cold light maybe it retracts energy a negative polarity i don't know i'm saying there's two options i can think of it could give cold but that would break the thermo lower thermodynamics or it could be retracting energy like retracting heat a negative polarity an additive energy source like retracting on an ether kind of kenwheeler idea so just stand with me on this idea if the moon is generating a cooling light or a light that retracts heat wouldn't that affect your radio waves no because you said that they're technically like light and that light gets affected in water and mediums like glass prisms so maybe if light was bouncing off light or hitting something that generates a light that retracts energy or gives out its own light that's it's not a not a reflection of sunlight but it's light source how can you just say no because we're talking about the light that we don't really know of because we've always assumed that light gives energy because the speed of light isn't affected by temperature it still goes the same speed regardless of the temperature the only thing that changes the speed of it is a physical thing is in between it's stopping it i'm not saying the speed of light i'm saying it's a different type of light it gives or it takes heat or gives cold it doesn't give heat so it would be a different vibration and this is not me saying that there's definitely ether but if you look into kenwheeler's explanations of the rate of propagation of ether or the rate of induction he can explain why light will hit a glass prism slow down and then speed up again you'll say if it was a photon you'd need something to give it the acceleration when it comes out of the glass prism or the water medium where if we are in a medium of ether you said slow down it would naturally vibrate at a faster pace when it leaves the thicker medium when it goes from a thicker density to a lighter density you said you said slow down so like it doesn't slow down the vibration frequency doesn't change the speed the temperature doesn't change the speed like the shape doesn't change the speed i don't know what you're saying here because even if i granted that the moon was emitting cold light um which it doesn't would that be cool it wouldn't slow down the radio waves the radio waves would still get the same measurement speed regardless even if the moon did emit cold light what if it sped them up what if it's so what if it sped them up look you're just saying that it wouldn't speed them up it wouldn't slow them down but you're also saying that water does so right i don't understand how you can be so certain about everything when we know that moonlight has an effect on water we know that moonlight has an effect on the agriculture ask any farmer because because light you're trying to say that these are totally unrelated things when we know scientifically you've just said yourself water affects the speed um that light travels or the rate of induction of the ether and whichever it is so so make your mind up tom right so water water slows down light because there's a whole bunch of molecules in the way uh the temperature doesn't slow down light so if there's like more light that's not going to slow down the light i don't say temperature i didn't say temperature i'm saying that we don't know what happens in the atmosphere as we get so high up and far away we don't know yes we do property you don't know tom you're only going off what you've read in books and been told by nasa and stuff and there are different ways that you can um measure wait you told me what i know again you told me what i know again like i i go to the university of minnesota regularly and participate in different kinds of things there like vacuum chambers like we can decrease the amount of atmosphere in the air and change it to meet what's in the atmosphere that we've measured with the balloons and everything we know exactly how radio waves work at those temperatures or at those heights because we literally bounce radio waves off of them and have been since the 1960s where they were bouncing radio waves off of the atmosphere to see planes over the horizon we know exactly how it operates up there we bounce radio waves outside of space all the time uh people have bounced them off the moon people bounce them off the sun we know exactly how they operate um i don't know what what your what your argument here is is like yeah yeah we do know what what happens with radio waves when they leave the atmosphere they go faster not slower but the moon is in our atmosphere supposedly uh yeah it's in the out most outermost layer which is like several particles per like what 15 feet something like is equivalent to zero atmosphere so it has no effect on the speed of light i mean it you sound very confident but i'm i'm not convinced so i tell you what mate you you have your confidence in your radio waves and will agree to disagree let's try and talk about some other angles yeah when you don't want to talk about the fact that you find it impossible to find a photo of a whole country no i never said it's impossible so let's talk about the the footage that i showed in my my actual video of the go west and goes east satellite footage that show clouds doing a little wiggle but not really changing over 39 hours and compare them to the Himawari Himawari 8 and the discover epic satellite footage where they have complete fixed clouds uh the position of the clouds is fixed throughout the whole rotation the whole show so they're all official uh footage that's all official footage yet we've got completely different effects one one is showing wiggling clouds and the other showing fixed clouds so what do i hear about the evidence prove the world is flat i didn't say it was flat i'm saying that we're being lied to and that we don't know what shape the earth is and that you're making assumptions with your radio waves based on the imagery that you believe in yet i'm asking you to look at the imagery that you believe in and actually i don't believe in that imagery i never i never ever look at that imagery because i don't care like none of it matters i've never looked at the photo imagery of this the satellites because i don't care um none of my radio measurements have anything to do with those pictures so i don't care if those pictures are so we agree so so we do agree then that it's strange even though you're not interested it's strange that nobody can find a photo a real photo of a whole country no that's not strange the satellite footage is inconsistent the clouds no it's not really different than satellite footage do you agree on that it's weird no five more minutes guys and then we're going to slide into q and a so yes we can actually find photos of entire countries that's not even a difficult thing to do if i had access to a satellite i just give you one right now um but again i don't i don't care it doesn't matter that like it's completely irrelevant whether or not we can find photos and the fact that satellite footage might disagree is probably to do electrical signals or something i don't know there's lots of ways to explain that but it's irrelevant like who cares like no no i i appreciate that you said you don't know i appreciate that what about the rail gun hitting a target over a hundred miles away using a rf pencil beam laser without afton's account for curvature or the supposed coriolis effect how do you explain that tom you must care about that a hundred mile boom rail gun uh because it did account for the coriolis effect please come on you'd have to know the different speeds of the earth's rotation depending where you're pointing depending on your elevation uh no you're just you're just saying that tom you're just saying that there's no evidence of them ever accounting for coriolis effect and if that was true why did the red bull skydive stay up there for three hours and land back in new mexico where he took off from wider helicopters hover for hours above towers and never have to follow any curvature because the atmosphere goes with the world it's spinning with the world like what i've heard that argument loads of times but it just doesn't really it sounds great but show me some evidence of them accounting for the coriolis effect show me some evidence i just don't want an explanation snipers do it all the time you can find it in youtube videos like no i've heard different snipers say different things if a rail gun can shoot a hundred miles away with a laser what is the laser following the curvature yeah it's a laser so so the refraction works when we shoot a laser out and refraction worked perfectly when we see a hundred miles away coming at us so you know we can see a hundred miles the light comes at us we can shoot a laser at it it just bends the perfect amount that it needs to bend without any distortion and we can hit a target a hundred miles away you believe because you aren't showing any proof that they account for curvature or the coriolis effect well we know light bends because we can spend it we can see it bending like i don't see what your issue is here yes white can bend yeah but when light bends it normally distorts and we're talking about seeing a hundred miles what do you mean by distort we're talking about shooting a laser what do you mean by distort well when we see atmospheric refraction and optical effects due to the conditions in the atmosphere causing mirage and causing light refraction we tend to see things get squashed compressed stretched skewered so i'm asking why is it that when we show perfectly clear days and we see way past the supposed geometrical horizon that you believe in but it's an apparent location but you can't prove it well i'm sorry mate we're not buying it and i'm not the only person here and i might not be as okay um we're going to comment on it as you but there's loads of people that are that are saying the same as me okay so the light diffusion thingy like when we look at the curvature of light around the sun it doesn't diffuse like at all so light doesn't always diffuse especially on the laser it's a very concentrated beam it doesn't diffuse very much at all um your vision does your vision just just works quite a bit but concentrated beams of light don't really distort all that much so that would be why i'm not convinced but one more question before we go into questions and answers uh why don't any of the stars make a figure eight pattern in the sky over a year the anilema like the sun and the moon do when photographed throughout a year uh because we rotate faster than we go around the earth we go around the sun so so we rotate around the earth rotates like once every 24 hours it goes around the sun once every 365 days so it would make a figure eight if we went faster around the sun it would it would do a figure eight and i think you misunderstood my question if i can greatly get that back in well let me let me try to clarify so and that will be the last one the sun make figure eights right why don't the stars any of the stars show any parallax when we're on a completely different side of the sun tilted looking upwards at one point of the year tilted looking downwards on the six months later why don't we see stars in a different position in the sky why don't we see any parallax like we do with the sun and the moon anilema please well to see them go into figure eight what you would have to do is that the world would have to go around the sun at essentially about the same rates that the world rotates around itself so if the world rotated once every 365 days around the sun and did a single day every 365 days then you would get a figure eight like the stars would all be doing figure eights in the sky if that happened forget the eights parallax and any phone and guys we're going to end the open discussion on that i want to thank both t jump and howard for that back and forth their links of which are in the description below but we are now going to switch into the q and a section so feel free to tag modern day debate or myself at amy newman so sideshow nav send in love uh can pick it up and we can get your question with that two dollar super chat coming from oflamo howard why does yaway support liars could you cite um um could you give an example could you give an example i'm not sure might need a follow-up send in love of two dollars from bubble gum gun flat earth is a cia plot to discredit actual conspiracy is that for me or tom i think that was for you yeah i totally agree i think that if you looked at the numerology the um the actual word flat earth has probably been designed it's a trigger word that's if i'm wrong about the numerology and the geometry then for sure it's been uh negate we've been negative primed with the word flat earth with the imagery of the water falling off it's definitely a cia i'm a hundred percent behind that it's uh more likely to be a higher dimensional shape that only the creator knows and we're just all little ants with big egos that like to pretend we know everything when really like tom says we just have supported beliefs five dollar super chat from jim bob tom have you done the radio measurement demonstration yourself yes there you go five dollar super chat coming from caucasian sensation howard you deflect deny and dodge questions better than any politician in history i think that's unfair like he he did he did a pretty good job of trying to answer them for the most part i don't think he was deflecting or dodging as much as some of the others so i think that's unfair thank you and all right looks like out of five dollar super chat from cannabis wanabas i saw you sent another super chat in later but if you want an even extra super chat feel free to send that in thank you so much for your support cannabis made by jim bob for five dollars tom can you do science without manipulating an independent variable yep it's called a measurement you can you can measure stuff five dollar super chat from cannabis wanabas tom in your radio experiment did you aim at the sun or empty space or a distant building for distance verification yes we've tested radiated on all those things on the sun it's it's harder because there's a whole bunch of electromagnetic radiation that makes it interfere with the signal so it's harder to measure from the sun but yeah buildings are easy we do measure buildings with radar all the time um other planets we can't get other planet or yes we could if we had a powerful enough one that looked like a ham radio we couldn't yeah we've done that with all kinds of things so electromagnetic waves would affect it you agree thank you from the sun but the moon isn't the sun exactly but it has its own electromagnetic output which would affect the radio waves thank you thank you so much for conceding on that no because we don't get you don't get cancer from being in the moonlight you get cancer from being in the sunlight because one is significantly more powerful than the other you get cancer from being malnutritioned and not being able to process the photosynthesis like yeah no tom's questions yeah no or gotta let him have the final answer i'm gonna go with no there we go i'll send you a video five five dollar super chat from sunflower howard mosquitoes act as vectors for and spread diseases like west nile zika etc why is the fact that they can't act as vectors for hiv relevant i disagree we seem to believe that malaria is spread by mosquitoes but maybe we catch malaria maybe malaria is from mosquitoes maybe malaria is an infection from what mosquitoes do to us but apart from malaria there is no scientific experiment that proves the contagion of disease so please look into it everybody it's a profitable theory that sells lots of pharmaceuticals but there is no evidence since 1918 the boston experiments where 100 soldiers lined up and had snots from sick people injected into them coughed and sneezed hey pussycat yeah that's conspiracy cats um so yeah they've never proven in 100 years the contagion of disease i really recommend everyone look into the terrain theory if you look after your body and know how to detox and get away from stress radiation and toxins in the first place then you probably won't get these viruses which could be exosomes your body's trying to deal with the problems just like tumors might not be the problem they might be a white flag your body trying to capture a problem before it spreads yeah tom i'll send you loads of info if you're interested in uh stuff that's not pharmaceutical backed yeah the thing stopping your heart physically isn't the problem that that's that's it so it's trying to prevent some other problem five dollars super chat and actually was howards last word did you have any the moon would definitely have an electromagnetic effect on tom's radio waves if we're right when i say we i mean all the people that have done the experiments to verify the radiative cooling little explanation excuse so yeah tom please do the experiment and then let's talk more about the electromagnetic effect of the moon because you say it has an effect on water well maybe that's the electromagnetic output that has not gravity that hasn't been manipulated yet as you've said no devices exist thank you name check them so i gotta give tom a response uh yeah the electromagnetic field from the moon that we can't measure for some reason it's there can't measure it with anything but it's there is the thermometer and there we have it folks five dollars from shawn hawkins flat earthers have had two thousand five hundred years to debunk the globe kick top guys where's he get his timeline from though didn't you see those titans in my video mate there's mountains of evidence everywhere but the world we we don't know what the timeline is we're being lied to about the the artifacts the constructions we're being lied to about evolution because if evolution was true things would be getting bigger yet we can see titans and giants and mountains so yeah really look into biogeology and uh then maybe you won't be so confident about your timeline thank you so very much and we will be going into regular questions but if you want your burning desire questions red live make sure you send in those super chats because it gets moved right to the front mark read asks hgs there's satellite photos of the entire continent of australia when bushfires were occurring last year why do you think these photos don't exist is he sure that it's a photo of the whole country and not a composite image of multiple photos from high altitude like the haps satellites that are just floating above us they're not in out of space because if they were we'd get a whole photo of a country sorry a real photo of a whole country i'm a bit dyslexic simon dan likes to pick on things like that but i'm glad that tom doesn't i really appreciate that he uh he's not had any low blows five dollar super chat from oflamo wolffram math world says dimension is the number of coordinates needed to specify a point on an object how many dimensions does the moon have so i'll read that one more time wolfram math world says dimensions is the number of coordinates needed to specify a point on an object how many dimensions does the moon have i would be lying if i plan to to know but i'm quite sure that it's a higher dimension than 3d for the fact that nobody has ever seen the back the side the top the bottom so just like lots of people explain if a higher dimensional object visited our dimension we would only see a slice a shadow a projection of it like when we draw a cube on a piece of paper we know it's a cube but it's actually a 2d shadow of a cube so that seems to make a lot more sense to me than um than it's a ball and that we've never seen the other side of it because and i'll finish on this one because even that they've got their explanation that it rotates magically at the same speed as our rotation but in the opposite direction or whatever how come we see the moon and i want everyone to think about this how can we see the moon if you see the little rabbit yeah how come the moon rotates i would like tom or any of these uh globe fanatics out there that like to defend their beliefs we're calling beautiful flurfs and all that i'd love you to show me a model of a moon that can rotate at the same speed as earth and also rotate the other way and still show the same face throughout history i'd love that i'd love that because i just can't picture it in my mind maybe tom or someone could help me i've no idea what you even said there like rotate both directions what right so here's my face yeah i'm the moon how can we see the face of the moon rotating left and right you can call it the wobble or whatever yeah we see the rabbit sometimes his sideways sometimes his upright yeah so how can the moon change if it's also rotating to maintain exactly same face as us because the earth is tilted by 15 degrees like so there's to be tilted and always rotating the same way but if we see the moon changing its tilt as well as supposedly orbiting us then why don't we see another face of the moon tom ever because it changes one way and then changes the other way like it goes one way we see the rabbit sometimes the rabbit's a little bit leaning over sometimes the rabbit's standing tall sometimes the rabbit's looking a bit up so how's that work because the world is at a degree it's not perfectly straight um no spinning on an axis it would have to be on the same axis as us so that we always see the same face but your explanation doesn't work when we see that the rabbit the face of the moon changes its axis coca-cola its coca-cola is straight to the camera but it looks to the parallel to the right to the axis now it's parallel left it's like it's flipped it's now to the right the left now if you're this way yeah oh god do you see how you do you see how you saw a different side of the coca-cola come like i i could do it this way and like still gonna have the same effect so because it's an angle this is how it works no we're talking about different rotations i see two i see one rotation of the rabbit you're telling me to believe in another rotation that we don't see because we always see the same face yet we do see the face rotating another way clockwise anti-clockwise yet you're telling us that it's also rotating on its axis as well because the earth is tilted the moon isn't rotating the earth is tilted so we see it from a different angle which means it looks like it's wobbly and then Howard final comment and we're moving on because it's your question oh i'm done i'm done sounds good the spice is about to come in for you so send and love Howard but caucasian sensation asks Howard your ignorance is intentional the railgun projectiles supersonic bullets from a gun are subsonic speed is the reason corealis matters less seven times the speed of sound they can shoot seven times the speed of sound two dollars super chat from Shane cup didn't have anything tagged if you have a question feel free to send it into me i'll get it read but thank you so much for the support five dollars from ozon don't spread disinformation about cancer i hope no one pays attention to the idea that cancer is caused by malnutrition uh cancer is caused by many things but some doctors try and say it's a virus so yeah what cancer is and how cancer is caused there's many many many causes and um i lost somebody last year to radiation therapy so yeah i can i can talk about it for hours we can go into another debate another night on it i've got no problem defending my stance we get sick from different things and cancers like the the final resort when your body can't cope anymore like an like an autoimmune disorder is when your body can't cope anymore they they've they've got us believing in believing in things um and we're feeling guilty and we're feeling that we're to blame for transmitting things to each other and stuff when really it's more down to are you being contaminated are you being harmed or are you not looking after yourself and yeah we can go into that another night i'm i've got no shame talking about what i know i'm not a doctor but five dollar super chat from big dumb movie the icebreaker of the night question for both which star wars trilogy is best prequels or sequels and why prequels jar jar jar jar is the best Darth Jar Jar greatest character in any any freaking tv show ever i like um i'd like to know why everybody remembers luke i am your father but it's actually not that it's called the mandala effect and there we go ladies and gentlemen look into that look into the mandala effect how they've changed luke i am your father and i think now it's something else five dollar super chat from canna one of us for either is daylight saving times affiliated with the recording of the and analogies a n a l e m m a s anomalies anomalies or is that an alias a lemmas i'll say it again for five dollars for either is daylight savings time affiliated with the recording of anomalies a n a l e m m a i think i think i was actually thinking about this earlier i was like how did they know what time to take the picture with the daylight savings it's a it's a very good question i'd like to look into that more myself but i'm glad they brought it back up because tom tom got lost on the figure eight thing forgetting that the sun and the moon both make figure eights both make figure eights in the sky 88 miles an hour like him back to the future um but also why don't stars show any parallax throughout any time of the year considering that we're tilted looking up at night time when we're on this side of the sun and considering we're on that side of the sun six months later looking down yeah a different angle completely we're looking east instead of west we're looking up instead of down uh how can we see the stars passing the same path in the sky no matter what time of year no matter what year we don't see any parallax like we do with the analogies of the sun and the moon thank you for bringing that point back up it is a very good point uh it sounds like a really bad point like daylight savings is something made up by people for economic and farming reasons it doesn't have anything to do with the actual sky it's totally made up it's totally arbitrary it doesn't affect anything you was asking about when would you take the picture for to get the moon and the lima and the sun and the lima because i'm supposing it's like the midday or i'm imagining it's when it's at the highest point in the sky that day so maybe the time can vary but when you can see it's at the highest point we take a photo and you compare that photo over the year and you get a figure eight and that's a really good proof but um we're not just in a magic uh explosion of random space we're actually in a world clock because everything's just precise and has been and always will be and on that note five dollar super chat from daniel d for howard why are you a flat earth believer when alden's theory disproves just about all the evidence you are presenting you really should go back to watch my video in normal speed and you will clearly hear me say and show that i am not a flat earth i am a globe skeptic with an open mind the earth might be multi-dimensional so there could be truth to the globe there could be truth to the concave earth and there's definitely a lot of truth to the flat earth reality that we all can perceive and measure but there are arguments to each model which tells me that it could be a little bit of everything just like we're assuming we're third dimensional yet our thoughts our emotions where are they maybe we are fourth dimensional beings but we only think in c and 3d and maybe earth and is maybe the moon and sun is five dimensional maybe earth six dimensional seven heavens so maybe earth seven dimensional only the creator knows and anyone claims to know otherwise is full of full of themselves because they might have a radio experiment and they can make assumptions on the rest of the world based off one reading just like finding a bone and saying oh i'm gonna make a whole dinosaur out of plastic and say that you know it's just the same crap over and over again little ants with big egos get over yourselves with mere mortals five dollar super chat from shane cup how can oceans bend or display convexity upon their surface when the surface of large bodies of water at rest is always flat i guess that's for me i'm not a concave earth but i have heard an argument that light bends even tom agrees with me on that one and the funny thing is they say that light tends to bend upwards when over long distances or over large bodies of water or something i'd have to look back into the concave explanations but they're saying that light bends around the curve downwards the concave earthers are saying that light bends upwards and that there are experiments to show this so we would not be able to measure it in a sense because every tool that we use would would show flat but i've also heard of the best look i'm not trying to say it's concave yeah but air pilots all agree that they maintain three degrees up throughout the whole duration of a 12 hour flight they never ever have to point down well that is a bit interesting why don't they just stay flat they have to stay three degrees up a concord had to stay five degrees up and they're higher up and they're going even faster so why don't they end up in space or hit the firmament so there are arguments for the concave earth in pilots being three to five degrees up incline light bending and the other point was that they've dug down and measured the distance between two places and it was further when they dug down them when they're on the surface but i haven't verified any of this and i don't know how accurate anything is but there are many explanations for many models even tom says there's unlimited hypothesis that's why like jimbab says we need to manipulate things to be sure otherwise we should be more philosophical and keep an open mind which surprises me when you think tom's into philosophy yet he calls us flirts it's a bit inconsistent what is being in the philosophy you have to do with calling you first well isn't isn't it like the opposite isn't the idea of philosophy to promote a free thought and new ideas and experimentation and and to dive deep into things you see a little bit superficial when you call people flirts it just doesn't match your attitude your behavior seems to change tom and this is the kind of conversation i wanted you change character when you get into the globe lie topic well i've seen you debating and having discussions with other people about the afghanistan stuff that's going on and i just have to mention none of in that big group of people none of you mentioned that the airplane looked and acted like an inflatable dud but never mind that you don't seem to question any official narratives and when people do you change character you seem to go a bit immature and disrespectful nothing like conspiracy cats and flat earth what's the name fight the flat earth and all them but you do change character and it just it tells me that you've been triggered mate you've been triggered we've all been programmed to react and you've been triggered by that flat earth word and in the imagery to react childish and call people names when you don't do that in any other topic you're very sincere in all the other topics so that's my evidence your behavior what insulting you can insult the philosophy that's fine like philosophy doesn't mean you can't insult people it can insults are relevant to the argument so philosophy is just about taking the arguments and addressing them it has nothing to do with having to be nice when you're calling someone a flirt you're not addressing an argument mate come on you right right right just again and on that stupid it doesn't either but it's irrelevant to the argument so like philosophy doesn't say you can't insult people just have to take the arguments and treat the arguments as if they're arguments your behavior changing your behavior changing is evidence that you've been triggered you've been you've suffered some kind of programming you react differently on that topic than you do any other topic you debate that's interesting no and on that no on that no we're going to go from five dollar super chat from caucasian sensation moxics six times the speed of sound five thousand four hundred miles per hour going against a bullet at three thousand four hundred and nine miles per hour fast as recorded yes choreolus matters less yeah but they don't take in curvature what are we talking about you you want to talk about choreolus because you believe in it show me where people have actually worked out calculations show me where things have been affected by the choreolus effect because the red bull skydive wasn't and that was three hours so we're talking about the sound speed of sound that cannot be an effected by the choreolus effect why does felix bowdenberg or however you say his name managed to go up from new mexico chill out for three hours spaced out yeah for three hours and then he takes a leap of faith and lands back in new mexico instead of landing in another another state and other continents or in the middle of the ocean like nasa send their rockets into the bimuda triangle tom but you know you don't care you've got your radio waves nasa sends rockets into the bimuda triangle video killed the radio star bro and on that note five dollar super chat from caucasian sensation amy t-jump and howard you've all done an amazing job avoiding a dumpster fire tonight thanks to all three of you for the entertainment send and love caucasian sensation and in fact if you would like to see more of both of our interlocutors their descriptions are in the link below that's right baby and all right five dollar super chat from thank the most high god and this is the last super chat that we have so we're going to move into some regular questions before we wrap up the night but if you want your burning desire question in right now send those super chats it'll move it right to the front of the line but five dollars from thank the most high god tom explain seeing stars through the moon and sun and moon visible daytime question mark airline pilots flying over the local sun when it is millions of miles away uh light bin so we can see it partially like i don't think we can see we can't see stars through the moon but we can see some bins like at the sides of the moon's just barely so it doesn't really work islamic flag islamic flag islamic flag yeah the the fact where they show a picture that has the star behind it that's a bad picture like they do on like those nine different official flags that all have the stars sharing through the moon but it's just a coincidence right it's just fashion just fashion uh it's more of a mistake it's more of a scientific mistake it looks cute it looks cute yeah sure it's nice and all right we're moving into some of questions from viewers like you out there from wit twit is google earth not good enough i think he means for your pictures of the whole con well zoom out and you get to a part where it goes from being photos to a cartoon why is that tom do you know why do they need a cartoon for google earth when you get to a certain distance uh because it's easier uh bro someone had to draw a cartoon instead of just using a real photo when there's thousands of satellites out there well to to be able to like click and drag and go around it it's easier to use a 3d model than to try and get pictures from literally every angle because you don't have pictures from literally every angle so a 3d model is easier and it takes less pixels and it does the same thing five dollar super chat coming in from sky cid hey howard you seem like a sweet soul i think tom won't understand your perspective because he doesn't recognize his blind spots oh spice can i make a point on that tom because i i really wanted to mention that you know you say that science doesn't prove anything it just shows the greatest possibility sure yeah well is is that true because water has always been shown to wet things and heat has always been shown to dry things but in your world view literally anything's possible we just haven't seen it yet correct so far we agree yeah uh no not literally anything's possible uh like in other words you're saying we'll go back to your official statement science doesn't prove anything it just shows the greatest probability right like we could be in the matrix and everything we know could be wrong right right so going off your logic that technically anything is possible because we're in a mate you could be in a matrix yeah not we're not any like there couldn't be a round square in the matrix so not anything is possible but like you know you're saying that science doesn't prove anything it just shows the greatest probability yet we've never seen water not wet something we've never seen heat not dry something so to me there are simple truths and reproducible evidence you could call a fact you could call proven but if you want to say that it's you know it's just the strongest evidence until proven wrong well going off your logic your world view yeah shouldn't we be scrapping obsolete theories when we see that they've been debunked with new information yeah we do that's why we gather the flatter theory well no because we can see that the globe is a scam when we look at all the evidence that you don't care about so it shows that you have a lot of it costs you a lot of processing power to apply the logic that you claim that science doesn't prove anything it's just the greatest probability and that you know everything's up for interpretation or absolute theories should get scrapped yet you're not able to get rid of the globe model even though we've got loads of evidence that NASA are faking it and that there's a lot of scientific reproducible evidence that's manipulated that goes stronger than your radio experiments lots of other experiments that we haven't even gotten into because as always we've got stuck on your radio which i think i think that's your big uh big tactic get people on your radio and keep them there but hopefully with with the electromagnetic thing people get out of that one in the future yeah because it's the simplest thing that anybody can do in their backyard to prove you false so if anyone can do an experiment in their backyard to prove you false that's usually the best example to go with you have no evidence against NASA all you've done is show that some pictures are that are doctored with computer stuff which doesn't have anything to do with whether or not the world is round all it does is show that NASA uses computer generated images so that doesn't help your position at all you've written no evidence that the globe is false you just provide false science and don't understand it and so that's you're right we do we would we would get rid of the globe earth model if it was proven false just you haven't you just you haven't provided no evidence against it add on that note we're gonna gotta move on from john rap because we got lots of questions keep on sending them in loves because we do appreciate them but John rap asked so the dome is 384,400 kilometers high no idea question from Jared who asks a question for Howard does he realize how much of science has been wrong for the earth to be flat how much of science has to be wrong for the earth to be flat how much math also has to be wrong did uh if people go back to my video uh they'll notice that the math of the globe contains three sixes over and over and over again and where Tom can laugh it off I'd love someone that's good at math or someone that's into betting to look into the probability of six six six appearing so many times in the mathematics of the globe and the heliocentric model because the heliocentric model meaning the sun god and sun worshipers like Lucifer the sun bearer means that yeah the six six six mark of the beast would appear in the sun god model it makes a lot of sense when when you look at it that way it doesn't make sense when you think it's just a coincidence because the probability of that number appearing so many times is google it's ridiculous and Tom you put an easy experiment in your back garden I've got an easy one still put two glasses of water and see how the moonlight chills the one that's in direct moonlight and manipulate it with a magnifying glass that doesn't cost thousands of pounds or thousands of dollars cost you a thermometer and a glass of water it also doesn't prove the world is flat or not round proves that it's got an electromagnetic uh output of its own that would affect your radio rage so no no no experiments uh not irresistible evidence after all it literally doesn't prove that triumph the insult dog s t jump is getting paid by nasa how do i sign up for an extra paycheck he gets paid with quick um what'd you go on quick chats or have you gone super chats from nasa nasa doesn't give me super chats i wish that gave me super chats who gives you super chats bro i'm not trying to say you're a shill but um mc2 seems to get some weird characters sending them super chats when we were talking question from free your mind it is not logical to conclude that eight planets are round then earth must be round or is it not logical to conclude that eight planets are round then earth must be round oh i hope that's for me yes yeah it is it's like why we see all the planets go around and all your planets on nasa's website are perfectly round spheres yet our planet isn't a perfectly round sphere when you take away the agua it's uh all deformed and even with the agua it's uh kind of wider at the middle yeah it's a little bit plump at the bottom yeah so how come our planet that looks perfectly spherical when we see pictures and videos of it where the clouds don't move how come it looks perfectly spherical yet we're told it's not perfectly spherical we're also told that the ocean goes so deep that if you take the water off because the rain came after uh how come our earth isn't like any other planet in the solar system that you guys believe in it seems inconsistent they're not they're not perfectly round like none of the planets are perfectly round question from null z what is a higher dimensional shape tesseract for example from canna wannabas what do you get when you send radio waves at the sun they bounce back question from brad beaker has any flat earth has any flat earther released let me try to read this has any flat earth or released ever even offered a consistent view of metaphysics and epistemology so has a flat earth or ever offered a consistent view of metaphysics and epistemology is the question basically i don't know i'd either have to google or get a crystal ball i can't speak on behalf of every flat earth and i'm a globe skeptic as well but yeah question from iron horse how fast do radio waves propagate oh yeah speed of light so the moon earth relationship is like an infometer proving earth doesn't move that wouldn't prove earth doesn't move it just proves that the distance to the sun is a distance the moon is the same like if the moon and the earth moved at the same time they could both be moving from howard why can or for howard why can no one on earth see the far side of the sun especially simultaneously on different hemispheres is this the boring argument that people have been having for the last five six years about perspective are they saying why can't i see the sun why is it nighttime why isn't it always day is it that argument that they're making it or is it understood it if that's the argument look into the laws of perspective look into the idea that if the light source is smaller and it doesn't travel infinite and i don't know there's so many explanations for why we have nighttime and why the light wouldn't be seen when it's in a different area it's it's look into the basic flat earth stuff if you're starting off but i really recommend instead of watching people's videos just go and make an observation at water level uh like i showed in my video i think we haven't got into anything tom you've kept me on the radio crack um i can see 20 miles away at water level where i live and i've been to other places where i've seen even further but where i live i can see street lights 20 miles away street lights without any distortion on a clear day i don't believe that i'm seeing a mirage or light refracting refracting around a bend perfectly every time i see it i am quite sure that we can see 20 miles away because we can see 20 miles away at any distance if the atmospheric conditions are clear you need atmospheric conditions to prove like bends i don't need atmospheric conditions to just prove i can see really far i forgot what the question was sorry that's okay we'll take that answer because a five dollar super chat from thank the most high god tom the sun and moon can be seen during daytime does this mean the other side of globe is in complete darkness no because there's light that you like we have lights and stuff like why would it be in complete darkness question from larento densia wait so if mosquitoes don't transmit hiv then the germ theory is not real was that his argument if the germ theory is real it's very peculiar that it's not been proven in the hundred years that the pharmaceutical industry has been promoting it and squashing alternative therapies like the terrain theory logic that if you look after the temple the temple will look after itself you know watch what you put in here and watch the radiation and watch your negative influences and stress make sure you get sleep and rest clean water so it's it's all obvious the terrain theory isn't a theory if you look after yourself you'll stay healthier even if the germ theory is true you have to look after yourself to keep your immune system strong people think that they can take a pill or a jab and they can keep eating mac donalds and chocolate and drinking coca cola and it'll be fine grow up on that same on that same vein why would it matter if certain diseases can't be transmitted by mosquitoes when we know others can from sunflower wrong we don't know that we can transmit disease we can transmit an infection trust me i've had the media of a girl once i understand that we can transmit infections but a disease is personal you personally got sick and it's a sad thing when it's not your fault when it's radiation that you can't see or smile but you've been harmed in one way or another whether it's a you know your fault or not but we're blaming other people for stuff that's never been proven and the only people that benefit from it are the pharmaceutical industries and now the government is because they can keep us all in fear and blackmail us to lock our industry down and then offer us a communist star system called agenda 2030 as if they're the heroes when they're the ones that are breaking our economy sorry got some more super chats five dollars from thank the most high god tom use that chair and google pictures of stars through transparent moon surprise you never heard of it yeah you can't actually see stars through the moon it's doesn't doesn't happen you can they can bend light can bend around the moon and the corners on the side you can't actually see stars through the moon five dollar super chat from brian leak i tom aware light has been slowed to four meters a second under vacuum with extreme low temperatures i think what they're saying is is tom aware light has been slowed to four meters a second under the vacuum with extreme low temperatures no no it's slowed by putting water and stuff in its way temperature doesn't affect the speed of light because it doesn't have mass so having temperature wouldn't affect it now they're super chat from david velar could i just add to that um you can and then he'll respond and really quickly you're saying that it doesn't affect the light or whatever is being illuminated because you your understanding of light is an understanding but the medium that the light is traveling through contains water so i really appreciate that person's super chat or that person's comment because it's a very valid point that tom's just brushing off because of his understanding of light but even if his understanding of light is right there is water in the medium so he said in a vacuum he said in the comment he said in a vacuum so no water yeah but we're talking your radio we're talking about your radio waves bro video kill the radio i'll get over your his question in a vacuum no water literally the opposite of what you said and now we're moving forward i still appreciate it because it makes a valid point so your radio wave experiment five dollars from david velar the moon is the same shape and face and size for everyone that can see it anywhere on earth at any time no flatter perspective can't explain it yeah i heard tom did but was it time or someone else was talking to that fb um ozzie and he said if you're looking at a reflection like as if you're in a frozen pond then everybody in that pond would assume that the sun or the moon or the light source the reflection that they're seeing is actually right where they're seeing it but as tom knows a reflection is personal isn't it tom what was the question a reflection is personal isn't it tom i don't know what that means a reflection in other words if you see a reflection of sunlight in the water it looks to you like it's coming directly at you and no one else but to someone else stood in a different part of earth or in a different part of the beach they would see it looking at them so we we have a personal perspective and we see things um and i was going to add another point with it yeah so if you're in a pond and you're looking up and you're seeing a reflection of a light and you think that that's where it is well i also can go back to the electrons being multiplies is that it could also be a reflection and um go on say what you want to say tom because i have something else on the enemy tongue right so light when it hits water reflects in all directions and so whatever hits like a mirror or anything and so every person from where you're standing at your eyes are going to receive the electrons from whichever direction it reflected to hit your eyes so reflections look differently from every different perspective but if like someone is standing right next to me we're both going to see it like the same reflection yeah the the point is when you see the moon you might be seeing a projection either from a higher dimension or you might be seeing um like the stars through the firmament like a fish or someone that's swimming under ice in a pond would see a light source projections can't reflect the light source is there they're just seeing a projection of the light source that's personal with their perspective and we're moving on five dollars from david levar when the sun sets or rises it does not appear where the flat earth model suggests that it would uh that it would says period of spirit especially during the winter months give me a second when the sun sets or rises it does not appear where the flat earth model suggests that it would i'm gonna assume he meant would appear especially during the winter months yeah it's um this is why we should keep looking into things but one other observation it's very very easy to do um you can see when the moon's not full um that very often the alignment is not correct we'll see the let's say the top part of the moon illuminated when the sun is lower in our point of view so on tom's model the moon is high above us and the sun is below our horizon or just coming above the horizon as we can see the top part of the moon illuminated and you think well why is this side at the bottom not illuminated there's a many many observations we can make where the the moonlight is not incorrect alignment with the sun so it proves it's not a reflection but the best one is that put a glass of water in your garden you don't need thousands and you'll see that the moon does have electromagnetic properties of its own that would affect radio waves tom's interpretation is worthless we would literally be able to measure that if it was the case we can't measure it of course not you can't with a glass of water uh thermometer we're going to tell you about get a wet surface like ken our wheeler did get a wet surface and get the thermometer glasses i forgot what they're called and look at the surfaces the wet surfaces or snow surfaces that are in shade and the ones that aren't in shade and i'm not talking about being under a tree i'm talking about a wall the moonlight chills mate and you can keep laughing about it but you're talking out of arrogance i'm talking out of experience and so everyone else that's saying it chills is because they've done the experiment not listen to syman dan's claim that we don't know what we're on about can you measure looking other than a glass of water you can do a wet surface or snow surface and you'll see that we have we have tons of different tools that can measure electromagnetic waves can any of them measure the em waves of the moon i haven't tried i just know that it chills water maybe we're using tools that measure the kind of electromagnetic frequencies that we expect from like sun and stuff maybe with the moon having different properties we'd need different tools or different settings i'm talking out of my butthole here i'm just saying that you're making assumptions i'm talking out of experience moonlight chills why i don't know how i don't know but it chills try it instead of just sitting in your chair and talking out of from what you've read in a book or on a website or what you remember from school as soon as you can give me any other tool do the experiment or should you give me any that doesn't that doesn't prove any electronic waves so as soon as you can give me any type of tool like scientific tool that can measure em waves from the moon that would be great thirty dollar question from adam alibi did you know powered in is it g i don't think it's geometry geometry g i m a t r i a is 222 equals he actually linked hebrew hold on here we go google translate we can do this wow he did hebrew for howard okay thank you internet did you know howard in geometry is 222 equals howard in hebrew multiply by the first surname letter g equals hebrew alphabet that i should have learned from hebra school is three all together 222 times three equals 666 just a coincidence they'll tell us i'll make it for you to think about but he do it on s because my surname's stirrup he doesn't have to do another super chat but just do it on s i'm still interested my surname's stirrup thank you and ten dollar super chat from topic discuss howard how fast does the sun move around the earth how fast does the moon move okay um they might not move we might be looking at a personal that was my point we might be looking yes thank you right tom loves his quantum theories yeah when you look at light it reacts differently yes tom quick yes or no uh you mean no when it's measured by a device it acts differently is it a wave or a particle tom it depends on your observation no it depends on an observe you should the measurement device there's no actual you don't look at it it's a measurement device it's not an observation of an eyesight but there is some kind of effect that light how light knows if you're observing it not with a tool or not but yeah the tool the tool causes energy to cause the wave to collapse it is is a great interpretation but the point is that if there's an observer it reacts one way if there's not an observer if it's not being recorded it is it reacts another way so my point is when we're looking at the sun and the moon and stuff not only might they be higher dimensional and like the quantum physicists say they're in multiple places or they're in they're in everywhere at the same time just like the other quantum theorists say that when we look at light it reacts differently or there's a lot to light that we don't understand and there's a lot to these higher dimensional things whether electrons or suns and moons and stars and planets that might have a lot of uh interpretations but you're not manipulating anything unless you get a magnifying glass on that glass of water in your garden and watch the cooling effect get even cooler Tom you can't do that with your radio waves bro can you you can't how do you know how do you know the glass of water is in the multiple locations and you're actually just misreading the air because i've only got one glass of water in this light and i've got one in the shade and you know like i say water wet's heat dries unless you can prove otherwise i don't think it's a probability i think it's a fact five dollar super chat from David Villar like i said no flat earth perspective can explain it that was hilarious fail oh yeah his question was about the the the speed okay so you believe the earth magically speeds up and slows down when it's going around the sun so what's so difficult about understanding if the sun is moving that it will uh speed up and slow down at different courses if it's got to go further out it'll go faster if it's further in it's doing a shorter circuit or higher up there are many explanations on the sun moon and star app uh from the flat earth application there's loads of people in the flat earth 24 seven discord group that can answer all of these questions if you're really interested or would like to have a respectful debate or conversation but my point is that these things can be debated forever they can be argued forever everything's up for interpretation like tom says there's infinite hypothesis so like jimbab says it's better that you can manipulate things so that you know that it's the independent variable and even though tom thinks that that's a probability i'll stick with that independent variable until tom can manipulate something otherwise thanks five dollar super chat from david last name he's got a big one i worked as a comms tech on a ship we have line of sight and satellite communication systems there is a limit to how far we can xmt and rcv signal in both in line of sight that limit occurs as the earth curves because the signal can't be curved i suppose this is just a massive conspiracy instead of line of sight meaning you lose sight and therefore the ability to communicate with other ships on the water i've got a video of the chief of naval research saying that they could shoot over a hundred miles away but even on five miles there should be about five meters of vertical drop that's an easy one can you prove that tom or could anyone in the chat find five meters of vertical drop over five miles please let's let's stop talking long distances stop talking about radio waves because we know over five miles there should be five meters of vertical drop that should be so easily it is demonstrated it is they did it with a laser on a beach with a boat so your two videos is pretty funny where like if there was a flat earth or on a boat and they had a laser and they showed it on a whiteboard we're like oh it's actually measured to five meters shit i'm so glad you brought this up because one of my points they had some great points we sadly got stuck on the radio waves though um why did national geographic fake curvature uh with the boat in a lake when you can clearly see the horizon is far in the distance behind him and why did this show genius with steven hawking also fake curvature over a lake using a helicopter over a distance seven if i just finished seven miles not even some are six miles and they claim that the whole helicopter went below the horizon yet i've just shown you that everyone that comes to benedorm which is in spain but you get a nice suntan yeah you can see 20 miles away every day and at night time you can see the street lights perfectly no problem 20 miles away so your little helicopter with steven hawking and your little boat with the horizon in the background prove that they're lying because they went through multiple people that were there doing the experiments went through editors went through producers and you're telling me that two big shows released rubbish and you don't think that this is a bit suspicious show me five meters over five miles please tom they both got it right they both got it right they weren't wrong you're just mistaken i've just told you there we go you can see the horizon in the background you just tell me things i'm telling you evidence question from triumph the insult dog wait flat earthers have done experiments what are they uh well we've checked that moonlight can chill water we've checked over long bodies of water that you can see further than the geometrical horizon would allow you to because if light was bending it would distort and we don't see distortion on a clear day we can see way too far we can shoot way too far we can we've done loads of experiments we we've we've taken look people have put hot air balloons with cameras and sent them up like 30 to 40 kilometers and we're looking at rivers and lakes and they look damn similar to how the ISS shows these rivers and lakes when it's going over them so tom would have to tell me the exact distance but i think it's like supposedly 200 miles or whatever that they say the international space stations up at really 400 miles it's really high up yet the imagery from the international space station looks very similar to what we see from all hot air balloon footage even the ones with fisheye lens look at the size of the rivers and lakes guys they're being lied to and it's blatantly obvious when you can swallow your pride tom well i gave you an example where you could prove it in your backyard and you're just ignoring that trying to bring up pictures in your backyard a glass of water chills and you can mean nothing that's proven that's proven on the global earth that proves the global the world's global that proves the global world that proves the world's a globe like that fantastic transition $50 super chat so much love thank you so much for the support from topic discuss i placed a glass of water outside and tested the temperature of the water during the different moon phases including under a full moon and under a night sky with no moon howard what would you predict is the change in the temperature of the water right i've heard that argument from some youtuber that put out a video and made this little argument everyone's just parroting the same little argument it doesn't make any sense where is the moon during the full moon sorry at what time is the new moon above you a lot of people don't even know their own model do they the new moon is above you in the middle of the day so how are you going to see what effect the moon has on water at night time when the moon is above you in the middle of the day during the new moon you have to do it either at the full moon or within a few days of the full moon they call it the waning phase and it's really great because you put a glass of water out in the light you put another glass or two or three or four glasses of water in shaded areas all unsheltered so that tom can't run back to his little explanations for excuses and you verify that the ones that are shaded don't change temperature while the ones that are in the moonlight decrease in temperature and just for one last time you take a magnifying glass and you manipulate that baby until you're sure that it's gone down even more and i tell you what when you've manipulated it you've really got to swallow that pride tom because your little radio waves that cost thousands for people to verify and don't manipulate nothing our secondary information compared to the primary information that we can get from manipulating that moonlight does chill and until you verify until you verify it with personal experience you're just full of assumptions inexperienced assumptions so that still proves the world is round so like that's true again let's think again when you've checked it tom well no i can grant it's true that still proves the world is round like that you keep giving examples of the world is round and saying i'll look this example of the world is round choose the you're wrong like i don't know why you keep bringing an example that proves the world is round for us like it doesn't help your case moonlight chills doesn't which still proves the world is round like that doesn't help you that's not evidence for the world being not round if moonlight chills then it means that the moon is not a rock reflecting sunlight orbiting us in outer space or now inside our atmosphere slightly so it doesn't show that at all and it even if that was true it still wouldn't show the world isn't round so none of that would support your case the only argument you brought forth doesn't do anything to support your case it's not the only argument tom it's just one argument against your little radio waves which doesn't work against the radio waves either like yes it doesn't support anything it is loads of people from loads of people have sent in chats saying that it would because it can affect the medium it could electromagnetism that you said would affect the radio waves just because you haven't measured the type of electromagnetism doesn't mean that it doesn't give electromagnetism we know that it affects water and agriculture so you know what you know about you can't manipulate gravity but you're telling me the moon doesn't have electromagnetic properties yet we know that it has a real effect on things which is not none of this experiment shows that anything I said was wrong so it doesn't help you at all and our radio waves are based on a solid physical rock in the blue cheese in the sky and I remember I said it doesn't matter what moon is remember your radio waves so it doesn't matter it doesn't matter because again if the measurement is the same distance to matter what you're measuring doesn't matter it doesn't hold up hold up it doesn't matter if you're measuring sea potatoes and green onions or magical leprechauns if the measurement is the same distance from every point and we can always see the moon the world is round doesn't matter you're not physically measuring nothing you're you're you're measuring the time it takes for radio waves to bounce back to you that is not distant that's not that's speed that's distance that's distance that's distance no it's distance when you know your variables tom you don't know the variables but you've never been that's how radar works i'm saying we don't want to have to share every joy radar is a thing radar is a thing so how are you finished your point and then we're going to move on to the lighting round we know the conditions that radar is used in because we're here we can physically measure things and manipulate things down here you haven't been to the moon physically you haven't measured it you have only recorded a speed of a radio wave so get out of it your ego and admit that you haven't measured nothing you've recorded a speed that could be affected by multiple variables thank you aim and all right guys we're gonna go we still have a ton of questions but i want to start pulling it all together so we're gonna try and do them nice and piffy jarred a asked how do volcanoes and earthquakes work on a flat earth don't know if it's flat but there are loads of people looking into volcanoes i can't remember the um the name um but yeah there's lots of people looking into volcanoes and oil and lots of things there's many like tom says there's infinite hypothesis but at the end of the day we're better off just sticking to primary observations and things that we can manipulate ourselves like radio waves you can't manipulate radio waves time yes you can we can do it in lab we can literally do that yeah but not with the moon not to the moon and back you can't bro yes you literally can do that we literally can't i've literally done it myself so you say but you're not showing us anything from rat profit if the earth is flat why haven't people reached the edge of the earth and fallen off Antarctic treaty is the quickest answer i can give you you're not allowed to go a follow-up to that what's on the other side of the world if the earth is flat it's in my video it's a shame tom sped it up so fast um if the earth is flat there could be an underworld there could be um there's so many there's infinite hypothesis but there are scientific experiments that prove that the right frequency boats can get buoyancy and uh there could be a alternative reality in an underworld that wouldn't know it's the underworld because their up would be up and their down would be down so yeah there are experiments that can explain and demonstrate that these worldviews could exist go back to my video global fanaticism and watch it in normal speed and a lot more things will make sense thank you for watching too much pyres the Caribbean question from Shane from Kentucky how does the radio experiment prove that the earth is a globe um so again if you measure an object away from anything like so if you imagine this is the camera lens above the piece of paper it's one length from this corner but it's significantly farther away from this corner so if there is a person standing on each corner and they're measuring the distance this person's going to measure it really close this person's going to measure it really far but we measure the distance to the moon from the earth the same distance every time so if a guy's theory measures this far away guys here he's measured this far away but that's not possible if the there's like the the world is flat because if the moon's over here this gal measured to be a really far and a long away this gal measured to be really close so the only way for everybody in the earth to measure at the exact same distance is if it's like curved and moving like this then it will always be about the same distance away from the earth the entire time and everybody will measure it to be the same distance from the earth it's like this it can't happen it's like this can't happen you have to be stuck right there so the only way that the everybody can measure the moon to be the same distance from the earth the entire time is if the world is round $5 super chat from Sasha Proctor Howard what is the ultimate goal of the government slash people creating this round earth conspiracy what does it all lead to mind control if you watch the global fanaticism video in normal speed that's the whole point of it we're easier to control when we're being deceived spirals work as a great tool to get people into a hypnotic trance because you steal their focus they're dizzy they're confused they're disorientated so we've had three spirals installed into our subconscious mind from a young age and these three spirals especially if they are not true are having an effect on all of our world view our perspective understanding the decisions we make it makes us more susceptible to other deceptions and manipulations so government means to govern to control meant the mind so if you want to control people's minds and stop them from ever reballing then you want to make them think that they're so if you put them on a model that's theoretically you walk in a straight line you come back to the same place you can't go out of here because you need rockets and then you tell people that we're spinning like I said we've got the spirals and we've got no direction we're just totally going around the Milky Way and that we're in infinite space so we're infinitely irrelevant so it's supposed to be a short answer yeah so we're in an invisible prison we're in a zoo we're animals in a zoo and we don't even realize we're in a zoo because we don't see the bars of our prison because the bars of our prison are mental and we don't realize that we're more susceptible to mind control by the people that govern our minds because we've been installed with such a young age spiral so yeah that's that's probably it another giant $30 super chat from adam alibi sending so much love again uh this is a follow-up to his last did you know howard in geometry is 222 equals howard stirrup equals 365 first digit is three all together 222 times three 666 evil 365 days a year just a coincidence they'll tell us wow i don't believe in coincidence this five dollar super chat from david lavar volar flatter third stop lion you're using a cover over your moon temperature experiment relying on relying on ambient heat to make the covered water warmer unsheltered shade i'm very careful with what words i use and i made the memes especially with a garden wall between two glasses unsheltered i just wanted to say thank you to the last person for coming back to me on my name i really appreciate that you know it's horrifying and i don't know what numbers mean i just know that numbers have an effect just like the way we spell and say things just good vibes bad vibes we see that frequencies affect matter in sciamatics experiments we see the emotions and words that we say affect rice cooked rice that's been left in a jar i'm sure you like this one Amy you speak nice to one rice you ignore one rice and you speak horrible to the other rice and you watch the effect over a month or two the one that you speak nasty to will rot a lot faster than the one you ignore and the one you ignore will rot faster than the one you speak nice to and tom can laugh all he wants but this is science this is called manipulating a variable trying and experimenting something practically a personal experience so people can laugh because they've been told that this is hope is focus this is this this is that and you know you're just sticking to your beliefs and at the end of the day science is about testing things tom five dollar super chat from sephrin how can an earthquake happen in japan and seismologists can detect the earthquake waves on the other side of the earth if it's flat look at sciamatics experiments i just said it but i'll say it again look at sciamatic experiments the vibration goes throughout the whole plate question from christopher ben yeschel are light waves and sound waves the same answer t-jump no the sound waves are pressure differentiations in matter light waves are radiometric or electromagnetic waves so they're not the same as sound waves no so we have two kind of similar questions right after the other from gay nomadic so hollywood is responsible for a globe earth and then kermit kemett says so hollywood has been existence for hundreds of years so we'll start so hollywood is responsible for a glober hollywood harry potter's magic wand was made from wood from the holly tree they like to cast spells on their audience by getting your attention entertainment to enter tame to hold meant as we've previously discovered with government is mined so to enter and hold somebody's mind yes hollywood is evil and hollywood's name says what they were invented for and then was it in existence for a hundred years i i know that the hollywood sign has been put on hills that really reflect a part of is it italy or sicily that's called diana's lake or something or diana's mirror you'd have to look into this and it's where there's been lots of satanic rituals and different dark things to do with witchcraft and magic it throughout history so yes hollywood did exist in either italy or sicily before and there's a lot of there's a lot of darker cult history that we aren't aware of but like the Statue of Liberty could be lucifer or helios that there's a lot of stuff that people really should look into and and where to start it's difficult when your search results are all biased but get on to the flat earth discord at flat earth 24 discord and people will point you in a lot of directions if you're interested got another 50 follow-up super chat from topic discuss send in so much love for all of you out there for supporting the channel howard when i put a glass of water under the moonlight in the shade and a separate glass same night out in the open not under shade the temp of both glasses of water measured the same why did they measure the same temperature howard maybe you're doing it before the full moon or maybe your thermometer isn't accurate enough try using a magnifying glass the bigger the better um the best one i saw was where someone took an old tv screen and it was like huge and really really good so that it definitely caught enough of the moon but yeah if you can get a big enough strong enough magnifying glass then you'll manipulate the effect and know for certain that tom's radio waves are not really that strong and send in a shout out to our discord channel which is where many of us go afterwards and have even more debate fun the link of which is into chat but we got another five dollar super chat from david velar bringing the spice howard talks colike yeah i was a freemason for three three years i became a master mason and um i know how serious people take it and uh i left when i realized that the grand architect of the universe as they call god isn't the creator of earth and life because if the universe is not what we've been told then that means the grand architect of it is the great deceiver so i anyone out there that's a freemason i can say from experience that you're being um lord into uh maintaining secrecy and holding a platform that only allows evil to thrive we don't need secrecy anymore um we're not well at the moment we're not under tyranny i was in a cult i had been brainwashed i was looking for answers i thought i went into the something that was less dogmatic and it turns out it's more dogmatic and that there's new orders side orders new degrees external orders there's many secret societies that benefit from the platform of freemasonry so if i sound a bit cultish then i'm sorry but we're all being indoctrinated into different uh beliefs and the popular culture pop culture is a pop cult of its own so yeah just make your own primary observations don't believe me i could be a shill i could be uh confused just take what people say and try and verify it you don't need thousands like tom just get a glass of water and leave it in the moonlight and if it doesn't work try it under the full moon or the winding phase and use a magnifying glass question from rat prophet if the earth is flat why haven't people reached the edge of the earth and fallen off antarctic treaty please pay attention it's been there for 60 years no other treaties managed to survive so long and uh not even richard branson or uh jeff bezos has been over in an airplane or a hot air balloon so if nobody's ever crossed the antarctica even in an airplane helicopter hot air balloon then please don't ask me to go the antarctica i'm not richard branson i think i'm gonna ask that i don't know my own island because i'm not a pedo sorry except through yeah anybody can go to antarctica you can buy a ticket the antarctic treaty doesn't stop you at all yeah and a guided tour tom no like you can literally just go yourself no you buy a ticket and go yourself question from shane from kentucky how does the radio experiment prove that the earth is a globe i already that i already answered two like are you asking the same questions you got before nobody's coming no don't think so i'll keep on going though uh they may be follow-ups but i'll go jared a how do tides work is this for me i bet cool well you know how people say the moon affects water dada it still affects water no matter what model you're on and uh if we were on a flat earth then yeah the sun and the moon would have um an effect on on everything that's underneath it so there would be water bending or spiraling one way and spiraling the other way in in what we call the other hemisphere so yeah there are loads of explanations and there are things that we can test and the moon does have an effect on water no matter what model you're believing ten dollar super chat from silver harlow howard when are you getting these non-historic etymologies of words also lucifer was the name of venus not the sun yeah i know lucifer is venus then um what we call it the morning star sun is helios and raw um i can't remember all the astrophilology technically every planet and sun and moon are demigods or different um different flavors of the possibly the they're all fallen angels or they're all different um frequencies of the same you know i don't i don't know there's many ancient interpretations did did um these energies or light sources angels angles of light manifest in in reality and physically do things in history or i don't know i don't know i just see a lot of artifacts throughout history and um a lot of things that match up you know you see the same looking bird face wind walking people in the um south america as you do in um i think it's a cereal something so you see the same carvings in different parts of the world of the same creatures the same um angels demigods do we see uh we see so much in the construction that is too perfect to just be chiseled away by primitive beings so we jump on the idea that aliens came and constructed everything well maybe aliens are actually interdimensional beings that the religions called demons or gins i don't know i just see evidence everywhere and i'm not buying the it's all bullshit because we can't build like they can they did five dollar super chat from design song howard you figured out all of nasa's lies icbm etc why have you not been offered a job by rival space agencies china russia mexico or south korea i think that this whole pandemic um has come about maybe a bit earlier than they wanted it to originally it was called agenda 21 but now they're calling it agenda 2030 i think that the whole world's waking up to a lot of deceptions some of them being the pharmaceutical some of them being the telecommunication radiation dangers and a lot of people realizing that we've been kept in a zoo all of our lives mentally and uh physically so yeah people are waking up they've caused another distraction so no space agency wants me because it's too late for all that now guys your globes fall into pieces and uh we're heading towards communism because it's the only way they can keep us locked down in an actual prison a smart city because the invisible prison to end this the invisible prison that we've been kept in is crumbling so hence why agenda 2030 is coming around look into it's on the united nations website communism question from james w if i leave my beer outside overnight will it be cold i've got to try that one try with a pint of Guinness because it tastes horrible when it gets warm question from sephron how would cold moonlight prove the earth is flat anyway doesn't prove that the earth is flat the mission that i'm on the whole activism campaign that i jumped on a caravan went round part of europe i just did the spanish part in um portugal globe lie i am a globe skeptic i do not preach any beliefs because i don't have any beliefs and i dare anyone i challenge anyone to quote me preaching a belief i just acknowledge evidence that is out there and i will stand by biogeology as the strongest explanation with the most evidence for what we see because i don't believe in the water and mechanical erosion that we've been taught to believe in as the explanation for everything that we see so i'm a globe skeptic looking for more evidence and better information i will not stand by one experiment like people like tom do or like um i won't stick to the books that i read in a school or a university i will keep testing everything i can and listening to people because even if they're wrong i could understand their argument or understand why they're wrong better by encouraging respectful um comparison of evidence and discourse and so we're going to go for about 30 more minutes guys and then we're going to let me i'm ready i'm ready to wrap up yeah all right uh then it sounds like we are then going to wrap up now so i'm going to ask this last super chat and then i'm going to give them their outros and we're going to head out but it has been a fantastic and lovely debate from thank the most high god everyone's asking howard where is the edge but i'm asking tom and ball believers have you been to space do you plan on going how much longer yes i've personally been to space i built a spaceship in my backyard and i've been to space therefore you're wrong a me i don't mind staying a little bit longer if you want to ask tom any questions on that are directed to him i don't mind staying and as many as last because david last name i feel bad for the super chats who gaff who gaff if the earth is flat who do you rather have a beard with a beer globe nerd or howard answers howard sorry bro the earth is round let me try that one more time who gaff gaf if the earth is flat who'd you rather give a f give oh there we go see that was my acute test thank you youtube sensors who do you'd rather have a beer with globe nerd or howard answers howard sorry glow the earth is round can i answer that or is it for tom i said the world is round so i i would imagine it's for you okay because i well if anyone really is interested check out some of my older videos from about three four years ago when i was going around like i say doing the globe light tour in spain and in edinburgh in scotland and that you'll see that the majority of the reactions i get because i'm not talking to internet you know keyboard warriors i'm not talking to mega mouth microphone people sat on their chairs that feel overconfident because they've got some you know proofs we can prove it no you've got you've got some explanations you've got one observation so i go out and i talk to real people and if anyone checks out my old videos they'll see that people have great conversations with me and we have really good times and some good laughs and i don't want to debate i don't want to argue with people i like to compare evidence and i like to listen to other people's ideas and and i think it's a really good conversation it's a very good field of research to to to indulge in because if you don't know if your worldview is distorted then are your thoughts really your own and all right i want to thank both tjump and howard for joining us today on our flat earth debate i'm going to hand it off to tjump to tell us where you can find him and his final thoughts uh yeah final thoughts are wow flat earth is dumb but uh check out my discord tjump.io slash discord if you want to be a mod sign up to the patreon five dollar level you can host conversations invite people to talk do whatever amas please join my discord because that's been provided lately and yeah thanks guys see you later thank you so very much tjump and with that we're going to hand it off to you howard where can people find you and what are your final thoughts i really appreciate this opportunity and um if anyone would like to find more of my work they only have to search my name howard george stirrup i've got a count on instagram facebook twitter i don't use much my tiktok's doing pretty well i've put a lot of stuff on there and uh obviously youtube library rumble and bitshoot is good because a lot of the videos that get censored off youtube i put on bitshoot where you can see how uh how much pedophilia is being peddled through mainstream media to normalize and desensitize this public to it the same people that promote the globe and stuff well sickos thank you so very much howard and with that i want to thank you all for joining us on modern day debate we're a neutral platform welcoming everybody from all walks of life if you're looking for more juicy debates in the future don't forget to like and subscribe including tonight's debate on flat earth i want to thank our two air lockers tjump and howard for joining us tonight and if you liked anything that either of our guests said both of their links are in the description below along with our discord which is where we will be heading after the show with that i'm amy newman with modern day debate and we hope you continue to have great conversations discussions and debates night everyone thanks guys peace out thanks thanks amy hope to see you next time take care bye