 So okay, so this session is all about community building and the challenges we all face. I'm Satyaka. I'm here So I've been living in communities for last let's say 20 to 25 years now Formally been whatever my education is thanks to the community. So I feel a very strong You know thanks and whatever you say like there is no there's no words we can describe You know how much we have learned from everyone of you and everyone we Go through so basically being human right like we as humans are the best when we Start literally copying and learning, you know, so that's what my learning has been like I never got formally educated from anyone But yeah, so user groups has been my kind of nursery from the day one Right, and I feel very strongly about Being in community and see them prosper and grow because without them the Event which we see today the pycon wouldn't have been possible without the team effort and the dedication so one of the threads in the mailing list was We are going to celebrate ten years of Bankpipers and there are so much of learnings which we have gone through and let's share all that and Let's hear from all the other user groups. What are their? You know adventures in their journey, you know How how how are the golden days like we old people always talk in past? And but lots of youngsters don't like that But that's how it is when they grow up. They will start talking like that so the idea was to learn from each other and try to come to a consensus in the sense of How the good things were there what are the projects we had what were the learnings and maybe we can start with you Youngest one is I think Hyderabad anyone here not much So historically like The lead python user group was like again after we meeting in pycon and one of the mailing list like bank papers Were the only mailing list which we used to hang up, you know six seven years back I remember Kenneth and everyone like saying hey you guys should do something like that's how it starts actually, you know Practically so you should do something. What do we do like you call for meetings like have a mailing list you know, that's how we started and On and off we have been having our own golden days like where people almost 60 70 people turn up for some meetups and We had our own ups and downs like every time we say that okay, well, let's do something big It just falls back like you know, like the biggest challenges has been the continuation of the energy I call it energy because without energy nothing can happen And in the energy in the sense, it's not about shouting and You know, it's it's about the constant force, you know that force which which we all are Empowered with and we are all connected because of that, you know, that's the common cause the cause of python and The sense of belonging so we started very small with ad hoc kind of meetups Where we found a user group then, you know, we started managing and then one point in time it came like Managing the mailing list itself like even the admin access like the one of the first things we faced were like how do we stop this Pams, right, you know, a lot of people just joined to just announce their jobs. That's it so Things started happening and this year at least formally we have some structure in place now where we have a team of dedicated 10 to 15 faces Who regularly have meetups every 15 days? Like I think this is the only user group now. It's almost six to eight meetups have happened so far and Regular topics like right, right, like Aksha is a Kiwi core contributor Our sort of is there Contributes to Django and cookie cutter So contributing a lot of things and this summer like my my one more Soft corner as thing or like I want to teach student kids like Ajit Ajit. Where is Ajit here? Yeah So that's the common thing, you know Itch we have, you know, why not like there is so much of python goodness is there So so we I started just in my school Kid, you know, so they were having the summer training program. So this teacher asked us, you know, can you do something about it? so We came out with a program known as pie chill, you know We called it pie chill because it was python and it was summer and we wanted to name it very fancy So it was yeah So we did it for almost five days every day two hours and it was not much But to be mixed and matched of science Education python with open data and things like that. So it went pretty well like we covered around 60 to 80 people and we were Dot everything was volunteered driven All 8 to 10 people turned up everything is documented if you go to pie the Lee dot org slash pie chill You will get our Foss foss events dot in yeah, so that is one thing and now there are bigger goals set by themselves He let's have a small conference or something. So those are the things happening and again the Things which we Failed or we are not able to pinpoint is get a location to have regular meetups. That is one biggest problem I think everyone will agree with me Here that is one thing and next thing is yes the change of the generation like the people every time We get new faces coming in so there is no continuation of the thought or the idea You know because they are never exposed to an event like picon. They do they have no clue what we are talking over so that that those are the challenges right now we are facing and Hopefully we'll do better this year. Yeah Hi, my name is Shiva my full name is Shiva Subramanya Maranaj. It's pretty long To be honest, I'm the proxy guy Okay, the guy who organized it the guy who started is not yet. So they were running around the lead volunteers So let me start with the questions. What happens if the lead volunteers is not there to organize a Community event it could be a conference or it could be a meet-up or it could be an workshop or it could be just you know Just you know meet people over the cuff coffee day. So what will happen if the lead volunteer is not that? Okay, let's say there is a volunteer here and Because of his profession in nature He relocated to different city in the same country or he traveled to different country or because of family reasons You know, he's not ready to spend much time as before. So what will happen after that? So let me put a lot of questions, which we really faced The guy who started ten years before You know, I was doing my schools or college at the time. So I was actually participating in maybe past three four years So that guy is not coming to the meet-up anymore. The guy who really started it and I'm running for a couple of years So what would have been happened? Okay, any any guesses any? Yeah, so yeah, it's it won't eventually die It will become inactive Okay, so the guy will be still there and you know somewhere else and he is you know trying to get someone else to run the community But let's define what is community first The community means what who are all part of it? Yeah, there is a two different words, right? So when I talk to my Company where I employed so they will talk they don't talk about community. They will talk about ecosystem. Let's say Let's say we have a new product to develop and there are a couple of choices I can choose python Java Maybe dot-net Ruby there will be a number of you know higher level languages are that so which one I should choose So they will talk about ecosystem. We are talking about commit. So what is the difference between these two both are related Define what is ecosystem means ecosystem is something like there is a programming language So who are all part of it? So we are developers. We are part of it. So there are corporate. So they are the consumers So who make decisions whether we can use that and they should have a job. So when they put up the job Or they want to choose this particular programming language. There should be enough developers Okay, so if you want to make so much developers, it's not from the college. So it's it's it's like a circle Okay, so you have to connect all the dots together to create an ecosystem If one part or one piece of an ecosystem is not good. So the entire ecosystem will be shaking Okay, so that's what you know, if even if you read a lot of articles about you know, Python So I read it Somewhere maybe a year before so there is a big Software service company in India. So they got a pretty big projects to do They need something like a thousand plus Python good quality developers. They couldn't do so they have Switch to us or something. So in times of India somewhere else. I just did so So it's it's about the community will make The ecosystem sustained So let's come to the community. So we help each other. Okay, so so what we do as a part of a bank papers We meet every third week Saturday Okay, so there will be volunteers. So they will make sure that things are in so they will talk to the When you sponsor they will talk to the speakers that they will put up all the schedules and Everything will happen and it's a community, right? It's about you know, they have to take out of registration So there are a lot of fun things. So whenever we there are four thousand plus members are there in the bank papers community So we also manage a focused community like, you know, Bangalore Jangai group. There are two thousand people So we don't do it often But the moment you put up Any meetup either it could be a workshop or it could be a talk You know, the notification will be sent out to four thousand plus people Okay, so, you know, if you are saying that, you know, the Alternatives, you know, not limited. So anyone can come any number of people can come, you know, how many people say RSVP 100 plus Sometimes it will go to 200 plus. Okay, you know, how many people actually turn up? It's a random guess. It's a random guess. Okay, then how do you manage the logistics? Okay, there is a venue sponsor. Okay, you have to tell them these many people are going to come Some companies will have a very strict security rules. Okay, you have to give them their List of names and email ladies. They will actually ask you to bring your, you know, government ID card They will check all these things. Okay, they will say that sir We need to we are planning to provide goodies t-shirts or we want to arrange all the chairs table If it is an workshop, we need a chairs and tables. We need to put proper power circuits We need to order the lunch Okay, so how do you this is the problem which we are still facing. We have nearly down a bit Okay, so any any Succeeds for it. You cannot say that, you know The one thing is that if you want to have them if you want to make people to be more responsible You say that you pay 100 rupees Now 200 will come to 20 Okay, so in a community you're not expecting a professionals to come Okay, I have seen in my past three four years a nine-year-old kid came and Maybe I just met an old man. Obviously he should be 50 plus. So he was sitting in one of my workshops and he was trying to code Like he says 25 plus years of experience of doing something obviously he should be 50 at this moment. So So how do you encourage all these people to come to your? You know the talks or meetups. What do you? The content has to be good good means what you will get a beginner You will get an intermediate guy. You will get an advanced guy. You will get a kid. You will get an old man Make it diverse Okay, a single call topic cannot be diverse. How many topics you can handle in a day? That means okay, that means let's say we'll put a three topics Beginner intermediate advanced you're calling hundred people Okay, so other two topics Let's say a beginner comes and this intermediate and one advanced is Doesn't have any meaning for him. It just simply start at all these things you get bored Interactive won't solve the problem. I just came from you know the talk from odd even talking about all this meta program And maybe I'm a kind of intermediate guy. I can able to relate but if you're a student or a beginner okay, so So someone was Mentioning about if the lead volunteers is not that since it's eventually going to die are making active in 2013 I think we had a pike on here so immediately after that, I think it's a November month or something we had a Regular bank papers meetup in Z. Omega. I guess so Elvis was volunteering that You know how many people actually turned up? It was just eight people So you know after pike and we all you know pumped up right so we should go and we should do a lot of things But actually just eight people turned up Okay, so me and craze He's one of the volunteer who manages for past two years. So live close by so we You know made over the weekend and he was talking about she was what happened He was talking to a lot of other people as so that means there are people out there Okay, they are not ready to come to the meter why because all these problems the content matters But if you provide a beginner content that one's okay won't come Okay, if you just do a talks a guy who doesn't know about anything about python All happens you in the talk you're not going to say that you know use this API that I be you are going to talk about your experiences But you should know the basics of the programming Maybe normal pie core python scientific python python in the web Okay, so Maybe two months before so two to three months before so we had an an workshop a Talk plus kind of an workshop something like 80 people turned out We are expecting 60 people There are 80 people turned out. I think it was happened in a coming So I was sitting at the reception core comes after 10 30 saying that in the humble manner. Sorry the place got filled up You know some people say it's okay. They will go some people say that I am ready to stand and listen Okay, so there were no places. Okay, so it was kind of a display. So we put a lot of chairs to people sitting there So that's the highest count we had so far. So in two years It was eight people and there are 80 people coming So did we do a online marketing or a digital marketing? This is the only thing what we really did is There are eight people. So it's about Community means it's about, you know, the same people no need to come the old people should go the new people should come they should Take care of the community. So what we did is there are a lot of requests, you know coming in to the meetup messages, you know If you open our meetup apps, we will get a personalized message that all the organizers say that Can you tell me how to do this in Python? It's like instead of going and asking the question the stack or flow people will come and ask you in the meetup It will send a personalized message Okay, so then we It is that okay, let's do the beginners workshops. Let's bring let's take the new people to the community So then we started having only workshops no talks Only workshops the workshops was for full day. We'll start at 10 and it will end up with three thirty or four with one hour lunch break Okay, so this we did it for a couple of months Then we started that a lot of repetitive people are coming we never Repeted the content. That's why the same people comes to the next meetup as well We will take a different topic even if you are taking the same topic We'll try to do with a different speaker With his own state of doing it Simple thing is that you know, so we do a Django workshops in bank paper So I do it someone else doing craze used to do it. That is a guy called Harris used to do it So people will do it in their own state even though it is introductory We did the same thing for python Okay So this is one part so you can do a lot of variety you have to make things interesting You have to do a lot of workshops so that people will come and learn So on and this one among them. So he was like that small guy, you know comes in So he is you know So when we both are not there. So he's the one he's going to take it off It's about People come learn he used it in the job and they are coming back to the community for contribution They are taking the lead if someone is not there. So someone we are building the next people to You know Take care of it. Maybe kushalandal knows, you know, how they have did it for Digi plug for a long time If he's not that's what will happen He has a group of people. Yeah He the moment, you know today evening he he can go out. He might not able to cross the road Maybe he might be hit by beyond busy bus That happened to me else anyone Yeah It's Okay, so the other part is To find out the speakers People will come learn awesome rockstar developers But you should give back to the community Thanks so If you're representing a you know Yeah company who uses any kind of open source or if you're a developer You're making a living out of all these open source stuff. Please. Please try to give back to the community Okay, so I work my full-time job is to do something on this open source tools I make I help my company to make products and sell it make profits. They are paying me the salary. It's again It's an ecosystem. So that money is I'm going to feed my parents my family, you know, my wife my kid So it's it's you are getting a benefit of someone else work. So please acknowledge that Please try to give back to the community. So that's what Again, so there are a lot of things, you know, all the conflicts and you know, uh, logistic issues So if you have any specific things so you can catch me offline or any one volunteer's office So we can help you to share our experience and how we nailed it Yeah, that was great insight from she what's your name? Your name Ram sation so we have some insight from Pune Chennai Chennai anyone here we We've been Dead and alive about three times now So we died three times and come back alive. So right now Chandan is taking out the lead and doing a lot of stuff in Pune Which is really good Before that I did something there was somebody else before me who did something Our problem is not space our problem is getting people to come and talk That was the biggest problem that I faced like I had to go behind people and say please come and talk about something, you know anything in python come and talk You could do a one-on-one. You could give a Real serious or like a real High-level talk or do whatever like just come and talk I did manage to get a few people Depending on what the topic was the response used to vary But that's an on and off kind of thing But now what Chandan is doing is that he's getting a lot of workshops done like you mentioned it And workshops are actually getting people to come down and do something I really don't know the numbers as to what's the high and low of of now, but Will we get about 30 people on an average 30 people are there Yeah, so we so that's how we we had a problem there Hopefully Chandan is going to take it up and make sure that it continues for a longer time So I guess Pune actually just lazy I can speak just about myself I'm just too lazy to get out my house and like you know go to the meet if it is way too far from my house So even though it's a python Pune meetup. I don't go just because it's saturday and I just want to sit down And maybe work on something That's from the python Pune side, but yeah, if it is somewhere nearby. I just love to go Come but only 34 30 or 40 people are turning out means what's happening So it depends on a lot of factors in Bangalore. Maybe the weather Okay, or maybe you're the band. So here we have so often Okay, or is there any other meetup which is happening on the same day? and the location and You know it You said, you know, let's say that me and you know satay says, okay, let's go together It's a last moment. I dropped what he will also won't come It's you know, when they ask people why you did rsvp last time Why did you came in? You will get a lot of strange reasons It depends, you know this N number of factors, okay So for this place, what we do is we actually try to keep it in the center of the city See in Bangalore. So if you know about Bangalore, so we'll try to keep it in this outer ring road To the inner ring roads that side only one exception is so we'll go to z omega So if Baiju was there, so they are supporting us for very long time So we'll just they're the other side, but it's not so far. Okay, so but you have to tell them, you know Some companies won't give you a parking also. A lot of people won't come People who have four wheelers You know in one meetup the speaker was outside the not because of the company. It's it park There are you know, let's say there are 20 30 companies are there You have to come one kilometer inside that guy said that's we won't allow the parking So you need to park outside and you need to go the speaker was calling me and asking Sure, what is this? You have to take care of all this. So You have to give a proper map location. Even if you give a proper map location Someone will call me bought bus. I need to catch to come to the location. I'm on this spot Maybe I might not know that part of the Bangalore itself Okay, so you will get a lot of calls You're you're about to do the speaker introduction. Let's say you're starting at 10 o'clock. So you're waiting call saying that Okay, I'm standing outside. So how can I come? So a lot of things so you need to have someone else to take care of all the calls and to talk about it So in terms of a place, we don't have match problems. We have awesome Companies who support says whenever we ask for revenue. So they're ready to give it So we try to keep it in the center of the city so that you know, it's publicly accessible with the public transport All you are two wheels and four wheels It's like 30 kilometer radius the city is and uh, we don't even have Good locations in central uh post parts because those are like, you know diplomatic enclaves So, how do you really solve that that? How do you make sure that you know Because this is one problem that we have because most of the offices are In the periphery of the city We have had to had a lot of meetups that are, you know, not accessible to most people Yeah, let's hear from Chennai also so that we have the full quorum to the house So, um Is bj kumar here? Okay, so he's probably the right person to talk to Um, I've attended a couple of Chennai pie meetups. Um, I've spoken in both the meetups They have pretty active attendances averages about 80 to 100 people. It's a very nice, uh, location Um, I wouldn't say heart of the city but accessible and all the institute of mathematical sciences Um, they host the they have nice auditorium. The facilities are nice Puff goes up. They have backup. So there's another Halls that they provide In case, you know, there's this this problem in auditorium Uh, professor ronajai who was here he he also actually participates in that. So there's good parking The the way they uh, they approach the two people vijay kumar and shreyas Um, both of them help in organizing the events. They announce much ahead of time For there are the four 20 minute slot talks And there's a tea break in between which is usually sponsored by some company And then after that there is time for lightning talks So that's how they plan it. They announced it earlier. Uh, people Suggest then they added in a github project So you can actually go go and see all the talks that have taken place in the past meetups. They also have video recording Thanks to the institute again. So you can actually go and watch sometimes May not they might be able to record. So we they asked the speakers to Do a screen record session and then send them the videos which they do post production and then they upload in vmu.com So they also encourage uh newcomers because generally they are like very reluctant to come forward. They like They don't know what people might say or what the audience might think but we They encourage them to do lightning talks first and then go to 20 minute talks But it's we don't do any basic talks It's like people startups or companies that people actually do python in production. They they come forward Most of the time that the the four slots get filled up so fast. So they have to move the talks to the next month's meetup So location infrastructure parking facility good support from the professors and the location is very nice and Approach from different parts of the city But that's just the gist of it. You must really talk to vijay kumar. Um, see see how he handles things Sorry, um, I I I don't know if they do any profiling or anything like that. I'm not sure. Um, but uh In yeah, they instead of mathematical sciences in taramani Um, I don't know. I'm not sure. I can't I don't know the answer to the question But yeah, we do have a lot of students close to the high tech park also. So a lot of people in the companies come Inspiration or something like that. So what we do is we'll give up 15 minutes, you know slot in the beginning for the host or the venue sponsor to talk about logistics So what they're gonna give on the day tea coffee lunch and importantly, where is the rest of me is where is the exit So all these things and they can talk about Why they're using this particular python or whatever that would be how they actually help it and you know Some people some companies. There doesn't have any commercial interests or motivations. They do not hire it Just they would say that doesn't go some people said, okay, we have open for hiring and They will say that okay, so I will be available throughout this one So if you need to explore more about you can just come and talk to us or there is a HR over there There is hiring manager over there. You can just talk to talk to them So this kind of a thing it's again. It's an end of an ecosystem so that people comes over there, you know To make sure that you know they will get inspired motivated to see that you know You're learning something that is used in actually in the industry and you are getting a lot of jobs out of it Regarding large cities. I have one suggestion is to just how we do decentralized version control systems. You can have It's a week in python session meetups or at different locations in the city, but do a round robin So that in a single month you're able to cover With four corners of a city perhaps But again, the the main main thing is you need to have ground level volunteers Who can come make sure the hall is there make sure there's power Give directions for people who are coming in And organize the talks and all that so you you'd really really need people on the ground Volunteers who can you know get things organized and move on? So that is one suggestion if you have very large city and you're not able to travel long distances You can have multiple meetups. So My name is kushal das and i'm going to represent a completely different kind of group with a different name actually So the name of the group is linux users group of dhurgapur as you can understand It's not a python user group name wise We started in 2004 and as you as you can understand from the name we started as a linux user group But then as soon as we started within a year and a half The whole target area changed So the motto of our group is uh, it's in a Bengali word It's sekho ebong shakhao that means learn yourself and teach others because we never had anyone to teach us at that time And the funny part is now that even though it's named linux users group dhurgapur So most of the people who are the member of this group are not in dhurgapur And we don't have most of the problems people discussed here A couple of reasons because because we are a we are completely virtual group That means we don't have a problem of space. The space is there in has dgplug an irc channel We don't have any problem with people coming in because it's open for everyone We can handle really huge amount of people inside the channel Uh For say about we heard about another issue correct where people are like you are missing people who can come and give a talk We don't have that problem because in our channel we get always get all the upstream developers from all the various projects So you name a project we can tell like who is the nearest person or we generally get the people who actually started that project Come to the channel and give a talk. So from 2008 we are actually organizing an online summer course Which is almost for more than three months Where we teach people to people not students. So where we teach people how to become upstream contributors So the goal is only one nothing only learn What are the technologies people are using in upstream projects and become an upstream contributor And that's how we manage to get keep getting new people in to the group And and the thing is that and we don't say like, you know, there is these people and other people in the group We generally try to become like a family and we have so many upstream contributors now from our group And we use primarily python. So even in the summer training, we start from how to How to communicate, I mean, you know, uh, there are many people here who are in bankpipers and In picon list. So one of the biggest thing we start talking is like don't talk post start with bottom posting or inline reply Right in full english words. We start from there We teach people how to use different editors and then we move into programming and we try to teach people How to use programming that is using python to solve your daily life issues Like we try to give them funnier problems which they can solve with the programming language And end up the pro those three months and this three months training is almost every night or these last two years It's three days three nights in a week It's from 6 30 to maybe 9 30 or maybe even late on irc completely You can do it from your home. You don't have to get out anywhere What you need is a modern linux distribution with python and internet So our group is large in that way because even this year we started with like 150 people All across the globe. So now we don't only do indian students. There are people from outside india also participate in the same group And they not only participate. So the next years they generally become sometimes trainers So they come back and they do training. So I know like almost two years back We had a music student from spain who did uh, his course here and he we become mostly he does now Flask web application development other than music. So this year we had his girlfriend Who is also sees doing in london school of music or something? Or ox school of ox sport school of music somewhere in london that area Run of people like you see chandan sign and there are a lot of other people here as volunteers and So our actual face-to-face meet is python india So if you know like every year we meet in the staircase which we did today morning 11 30 So we have a group of people every year's new students coming up And there are a few students sitting here who did like this year summer training So they already started putting pushing patches to various upstream projects And our target is only one thing like do only upstream projects Don't try to do anything small in the local area because that's the only way you can get a Big name for yourself. You can get a better job and many other people will look at you and they also want to try to become you so We are in pretty good shape. I can simply I can be I'm really happy to say that We are in pretty good shape every year There are so many people wants to come and act like that and as you said the ecosystem and then following this the ecosystem built up So now we have friends all across correct everyone know each other So when people are asking Hey, can you tell me a good python developer who is good in system programming or someone is coming with a good web development? So we can actually push these guys Into these different companies and they're getting hired and working on still working on various upstream projects So for us community first, please work on upstream projects rather than you know only writing small small projects so yeah So this is the eighth year of the summer training Just in case So we are doing it for eight years Yes, everything is available online Yes, so uh, see the that's why we try to put it up very much Is that we are doing everything on irc nothing else So you have to come online and so people even this year people try to cheat by saying Oh, we'll read the logs So that can only go up to a certain level where you're learning maybe syntax or how to use the tool But when we are actually solving problems and you know You have an issue with the code and people are live debugging helping you to debug that code That never happens over any kind of log or textbook. It can only happen like like that direct interaction Yeah, sakti sakti also helps us in the dgb So I have a presentation Just quite popular among gsoc students, especially it's called. I want to do project. Tell me what to do Return in sms speak language Yeah, so That's been circulated In many mailing lists. So I would encourage you to go through the presentation. There's also a book based on that presentation I didn't say that So, uh, let's move on and uh, yeah, I think we have enough data points now. So one Kiran come Hi, so I've been attending a few chennai by meetups. Right. Uh, so what I observe is um Usually people are more comfortable asking on the meetup.com comments instead of the mailing list I guess since they're used to the common thing So a lot of people kept asking like is it good? I mean Can a beginner at in this can an intermediate person at so what we what vj did was He tried experimenting for like three four months by conducting workshops Like our meetups are from three to five thirty or a ghost of six So he used to he conducts workshops from 10 to 12 So people who don't know python that can come get an idea and then they can And then they come to a three o'clock session and kind of meet people Uh, so that's one thing he tried and the second thing he recently experimented was He sends out an email to a few people who are regularly attending and sort of gets an idea what they are interested in So what is the key uh, so what are the key things you work on so it can be web development can be embedded system So he gets those he gets a picture of those things and he talks about it He just tells them okay, so if you're interested in this thing So this guy seems to be working on this so and so project and things As such and because of that when we go for tea break It's it's pretty sure no one will be just standing idle So they'll go talk to someone get some ideas or get the direction from someone So that's another thing that has worked out for them Great See Whatever the meetups are happening, right? I see It's not mostly relevant to the training meetups. See what I see like Wherever we go on wherever I see all the python meetups. It's mostly relevant to some topics or something relevant to jango And it's not related to some startups events Where in like you guys can come up and host event how to create an MAP using python how to create an Scalable web app using python. So in which way what happens, right? It will help community to Travel towards innovation. It's not it shouldn't be only learning and teaching So that's one thought I have Yeah, so hi. I am satyajit. I'm from nakpur maharashra I got into this whole meetup thing like two years ago when meetup.com like was the thing That's how I got introduced to this whole concept And I noticed that in nakpur the first meetup group to start was this group called nakpur techies And and then as soon as that group was discovered the first event had like 15 attendees And then it slowly trickled down But then some people figured out that you could create your own meetup groups So then instantly we had a surge in meetup groups We had net wins user groups java user groups and some other a lot of technologies But the people who came to those groups were same So the same set of people came to all these groups and now The all activities have stopped and the only group that is active right now again is nakpur techies And I'm actually the co-organizer of that group right now So I just got an sms from my the main organizer from nakpur He said that he managed to get a sponsorship from jet brains to sponsor raffle something that you can get A year long subscription to jet brains id or something so we are trying But and we also don't have a location issue for at least 20 to 25 people because we have permanent location there and nakpur is a very Relatively small city. So travel traveling is not much of a problem there But still we don't have a lot of people and rsvp is obviously don't reflect the people who are gonna come Thank you. Hello. I have a suggestion Is it possible that like a lot of people are like hesitant to come to certain Events like bankpipers events or like picon. It's being too far Is it possible to live stream the event or certain talks that can be live streamed? Okay, okay on on another note. It's I'm talking about something different Can we arrange some kind of podcasts for like certain topics that a particular Subject matter expert will be speaking or we can record it We can upload it on any sound cloud or somewhere so that a user can Maybe a kind of an interview Like one-to-one conversation So, yeah, I have certain other points to cover. So let's walk through them. So one of the big things and since last two years I've been Hearing about the women participation in the user group. So how has it been like Is it growing? Do you see them the numbers grow or 50% or more are women. So we have a pretty good turnout there And so even this year so when we started we started the summer training with 150 plus students on the first day of the IRC channel But if you see the number of people who are committing and work actually coming and talking to the people There is a pretty good number of girls So we don't have a problem directly and that mostly because Most of our active members are from the colleges They are the girls do much better than the boys Okay, whatever bank papers like you have what is the ratio like So let's say out of you get 50 people. So two to three people. I'll share my personal experience. So I am a java plus python kind of a developer. My wife is a dotnet developer Assume that what will happen in the hope if you're having a technique Yeah, it's a dotnet. Okay So we are a group of friends childhood friends from the Schools, there are three other people You know, all of their wives are dotnet developers Okay So, uh, guys are you know a guy is a python developer other guy is a system So you work with Linux other guys as core C developer who rides device drivers Think about it, you know, so we go to our native trokathar. So think about all this constant We tried a lot to convert them. So we are still doing our best Pure personal sir, okay Okay, I think we are about to close after satya's comments. I have only one point to make so if you are a volunteer Be nice To the all the people in the community. Yeah You have to be very tolerant. You should the tolerance level should be high. It should be always polite. I'll give you a Yeah Let me let me come so Yeah, one example assume that you are doing a python workshop. You started at 10 o'clock You are trying to do with you know decorators functional programming 11 o'clock a guy rises at the back saying that you know, he's calls you so you stop this one and you're going over there He's asking So I downloaded the you know python live Yeah python interpreter python, maybe the software Okay, so I have this laptop windows xp. It's a 32 bit operating system. I downloaded the 64 bit So how can I install it? Think about you're doing an intermediate one say guy comes and he is asking So what do you react at this time? Okay, so you're you're Doing something you came in the middle. So you will find people like that and You're super into you're talking about all these you know cool features in the python and All these things are possible. Someone will raise the hand and they'll say, you know Ruby or ruby on rails has you know match powerful blah blah blah. You'll try to Start up and I literally a fight with you It's It's it's about you know, you have to be you have to be more polite So these are the things it will happen. So don't ever get you know irritated or tempted or arguments It's it's it's you know, what I did on some I said that okay So python is ruby is like India is Pakistan. So I don't know what it is India It's never an issue something like that you make a joke out of it just close it Or you can say that we can talk offline or something Otherwise if you are getting to the arguments you are wasting other 50 60 people sitting over there And the guy who with windows XP 32 bit 64 bit installation, what you do is You need to get a volunteer if you are doing it. So you're supposed to have another volunteer to Yeah, take care of him. Maybe you can sit with him. You can have to explain him. What is 32 bit? What is 64 bit? What is 32 bit operating system? Can I install 64 bit python vm on 32 bit processor or 32 bit operating system? All these things you have to do So most of them I do web related workshops. So people won't know about what is ttp What is gate and pose sometimes, you know, you need to spend your time personally So there are already things available correct software engineers, please do not apply kind of things So yeah, so the other thing I was talking about like two groups are suddenly started becoming pretty much active in India So one of them is pilot is the t-shirt I'm wearing on so different college students are mostly finding it out about pilot is And they find it's very easy to start a group and they're starting up with the meetups And please try to remember one thing. None of these groups is only for the girls Even though name sounds like that it's these groups are pretty much open groups. They are open to everyone So even for the guys, I mean boys and girls from the college So if you see any of those groups coming up in your area So please help them out to have their meetups They may not have the good talent to start doing the trainings and the stuff and the other group Which started in the similar fashion is the jango girls. So I think jango girls punay was the first meetup So they select like so you have to apply and then they select around 40 People who can learn python and jango in the day and then start working on the projects I think the next meetup is in Bombay either in october or in november I don't know whether the dates have been announced So please go and check that website also jango girls.com slash mumbai, I guess So if you can if you want to Do the similar kind of events in your city just talk to these two groups and start working with them They are pretty much welcoming community. I can tell you that one thing So I think we are running out of time and we don't have answers to all the questions or the problems We just talked about I think all of you agree, right Yes or no Yes so I call it a more of a journey, you know, it's not a end to the It like, you know, this is the last bike on or like now I have to do it Yeah, that sense of urgency is very very important when getting things done And yeah, I work in the same fashion like I set up the deadline and say that hey, this has to be done by now Right, otherwise things don't never get done And the other thing which I like our Shakti is one of the things like, you know, like no matter How many people turn up? Don't worry about them. Keep on doing things that I think that is one of the most Important takeaway, you know, which I have learned in this life like Again the same what nakpur guy said right the same faces. I I have seen it for last 20-21 years Same faces turning up for the all the events, you know, wherever they go the community becomes very active So don't lose your heart like you can be one of them and be the leader, you know Because I am interested in seeing those faces and any support from all of us In any way possible, you know, we don't have solutions But yes, we have enough resources and the energy to go and get it done I think that's that's one of the biggest takeaway and I think as a community like there'll be a lot of naysayers Like this is all waste of time or you know, like I don't have time, you know, but but But I've seen people, you know, like who are sitting on the fences. I call them, you know They come up for the meet-up like when they see things happening So make it happen make it rock and hopefully we'll see you next year again And whenever you go to any of these Areas like whenever you try to at least I try to do that, you know, call up friends At 10 20 people and have a meet-up You know, just pop up and say yeah, let's let's meet up over beer or like whatever You know, so I think that's that's how it is and that's how it will continue and Various groups are at different levels and they have their own challenges Like I think they have to be addressed at a local level. There is nothing like universal Bill for elixir for everything. There is nothing like that. So everything everyone is doing well. I think locally we have to start Uh Dividing the problem just the way we program, you know, break up into small small chunks and start addressing With the existing resources and yes, that is one point which I think this year pssi also will be Telling us and like whatever the kind of support we need to get from is it happy No, no, no, I'm just joking. So I think that is one thing which again I am personally at my level because there is a lot of people who are looking at pssi as an organization because one of the things Uh, I have seen is managing the money, you know, when when when somebody wants to fund an event Small event big event. How do we manage that people don't know? Right, right, right. So I think that's that's the structure We will come out with like like pssi can be like bcci or whatever. I know We don't want this is here. We don't want this is here. Okay I'm just joking. Okay So, yeah, so those those kind of things are available and yeah, I think those problems have been already solved Just focus on the building of the communities and try to solve the technical issues on the upstream side I think that's that's a good Good thing to do Okay, that's all for the session and hopefully everyone enjoyed Yes or no. Yeah, clap for yourself. Thank you