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Those are wow tiny little exes very I put a pixel Yeah, yeah, at least with my DPI. Yeah, only four dots. They're one-dimensional Mm-hmm. Wait. No, it's not one of those with yellow. I'm still rocking our GB. Okay. I'm sorry my mistake. I Am ready to roll. Are you yes? Let us roll the podcast roll the podcast I'm ready brother roll that beautiful podcast Phaser is just done the baby tech news shows powered by its audience and may Texans not outside organizations to support the daily tech news show Visit daily tech news show dot com forward slash support This is the daily tech news for Friday, January 20th 2017 I'm Tom Merritt and alongside Darren kitchen live from outside San Francisco Bay Somewhere outside it is so fantastic to be here coming from the underground bunker That is the hack five layer in the point Richmond hack five after so many years was pointless until we return Finally finally found the point Also joining us lemper all to back in the house to illustrate for us once again, and I feel like we did just solid We gave you the most illustratable of topics The Me Too app that allows people to make selfies look like they are anime characters Oh, I I was very happy when I saw that come through the feed and yes Hopefully today could either be the worst thing I've ever drawn or the best thing I've ever drawn You just have to stay tuned at the end of the show to find out I'm just waiting for the app that allows you to convert anime characters into real people Totally fascinated with that idea that would be awesome Like all the Princess Mononoke people just as normal folks You would have James Franco as Thank You, Roger. You're absolutely right Hey, we're gonna the whole reason we assemble together in these shows is to help you Understand more about what's going on in the technology world And be able to put things in more context and speak all of us speak more intelligently about it by sharing what we know So Darren's gonna talk to us a little bit about what is going on with that Me Too app Whether it's actually worse than other apps and why these apps want to collect all this information about you anyway But first Apple is suing Qualcomm for a billion dollars This is in addition to the US Federal Trade Commission suing Qualcomm Apple alleges Qualcomm withheld Nearly a billion dollars as retaliation for responding truthfully to law enforcement agencies in a Korean investigation, so Everybody ganging up on Qualcomm. Yeah, I'm suing them for a billion as well. And you know, I think we just Yeah, I'm down now. Here are some more top stories Amit Singhal employee 176 at Google formerly senior VP of search retired February 3rd 2016 Almost a year later now sing hall has announced he's joining uber as senior vice president of engineering He'll head up the maps and marketplace departments and advise CEO Travis Kalanick and VP of engineering Anthony Levedowski on self-driving technology He has been spending his time off with his wife setting up the sing hall foundation Which aims to bring high-quality education to children who would otherwise not be able to get it They've been focusing on Jodhpur, India. It's going very well He has someone he trusts running it. So why is he getting back in the game? Singhal told TechCrunch This company referring to uber has some of the toughest computer science challenges that I have seen in my career of 25 years Those computer science challenges for a computer science geek are just intriguing. You give a geek a puzzle They can't drop it. They need to solve the puzzle. That's how it felt to me Darren this sounds like singhal who's like, I'm done. I'm retired. I've made my money. I'm just gonna help children He's a true true hacker because because Kalanick came up to him and said hey Take a look at this puzzle and he was fixated. Mm-hmm. No, I love it In fact, oh well first and foremost, you know mad props to gates and all of the others who have kind of like led the charge of like That's what you do. You're silicon Valley You you know, you you're balling like out of control and then you know You call it quitsies and you go, you know do education in India. So awesome mad props. But yes, obvious Ringing true as a hacker where you just can't Like let the puzzle sit unsolved and if you ask any hacker like that has made something bizarre and you're like, why did you do that? You're gonna get an over resounding like well because we can yeah could right Honestly the smartest companies are going to do exactly what Travis Kalanick did To Amit singhal be like hey take a look at this puzzle. We're trying to solve and they'll have them They will this is why I continue the effort Which I know is never going to succeed to separate attackers from hackers Because this is the hacker ethos right here Absolutely, in fact, you know you look at the and as far as even just like a hiring practice You look at say the NSA and they put out codes They put out crazy codes for you to break so they can say like oh you brought you you broke this Here's a phone number or here's a dead drop or whatever and next thing you know You're part of the agency. Maybe they should you know start actually like just sending you, you know weird hashes in the mail Maybe the numbers anyway, yeah The Windows Insider preview builds come in fast and furious as we get closer and closer to the official release of the creators build Microsoft has opened an e-book store on the latest when cider windows when cider I've just coined that by accident on the latest Windows Insider preview build it uses the edge browser to store the books and kind of stores them like web pages and Keeps them in a reading list it supports PDF and e-pub and integrates Cortana The build also includes a tool to automatically clean up space That'll delete your temporary files and files that have been in their cycle been for more than 30 days I mean this is in the fine tradition of millions of third-party apps that have been doing this forever and then bad news If you were excited about the my people feature, that's the one that would let you pin context your taskbar That's been delayed until the next major update of Windows 10, which we're expecting in the autumn That's the one you'll hear called breadstone 3 Yeah, good stuff. You know the weirdest thing is like I'm not you know, okay, cool I'm happy for them for having a new e-book thing That's not what like excites me as much as like the trend of watching windows Especially with 10 just feel more and more I don't maybe am I the only one that feels like it's really becoming like iOS and Android More than our traditional OS is we're used to I think Microsoft might take that as a compliment. I fortunately do I mean, I'm still curious that once you have to just get out of the way so I can run nano and bash But anyway and and and yes, you can run bash Yeah, this is not in Tom I love that Windows 10 is still trying to do what Windows 8. I believe overreached in trying to do which is Provide a way to be an operating system like iOS and Android when you're using Windows 10 on a tablet device Or a hybrid device, but not take away the things we like about Windows 10 as a as a desktop operating system I think they're doing a better job of that these days. I'm gonna predict it now. They're gonna add metro to bash Samsung will hold a press conference to announce findings from its investigation into the Note 7 at Monday 10 a.m Korean time so the way the world works that'll be 8 p.m. Eastern on Sunday In the Eastern time zone of the United States January 22nd So if you're in the US Tune in at 8 p.m. Eastern Sunday January 22nd if you're in Korea tune in Monday morning at 10 a.m And Samsung will announce they're even gonna do a live stream. This is what we found with the Note 7 I think that's a really good job for them to say we're going to make this available for as many people to watch at once the Wall Street Journal has some sources that have given them a tip on what is going to be announced and Essentially the sources are saying that the first remember there were two note 7 recalls The first one was related to irregularly sized batteries And they did it sounds like correctly identify that and thought they had fixed it But then there were further Manufacturing problems, and I hope we get more details about that in the announcement that caused the second wave of problems Yeah, I'm really mostly just curious how much responsibility they're gonna take and if there's going to be kind of like this Sly thing of kind of Steve Jobs ask you're holding it wrong kind of like it wasn't meant to be put in your back pocket and sit on it kind of stuff Yeah, I don't get the impression that they're gonna point fingers at anyone but themselves or their battery Manufacturers and they may do a lot of point finger pointing at their battery Manufacturers is what it sounds like, but I don't think they're gonna say to the consumers that the consumer was doing anything wrong They're just gonna say okay, we had a this is my guess right at this point I'm just making things up based on what I know They're gonna say we had some irregularly produced batteries from STI and those caused the first round of fires And then when we asked our other manufacturer to up their production Though that manufacturing process introduced a different kind of irregularity into the batteries, and I'm very curious what that would be That would explain why Samsung was so convinced that they had fixed the problem after the first recall You know the thing that surprises me most about this story isn't you know Manufacturing snafu. I'm no stranger to it. It's part of the process, but it's that that something on this magnitude would at the end of the day Barely had to a dent to the bottom line of the company like Samsung. It kind of reminder of how massive they are Exactly and and I think even beyond that it doesn't seem to have affected sales of their other handsets as much as anyone Thought that it would so I think Samsung will will give you a lot of information about how they are going to improve their quality control efforts in the future to help assuage the fears about that but Honestly, it I mean it seems like they're going to come out of this Okay, I'm not gonna say they're coming out of it great. It is damaging but not nearly as as as Armageddon like as some people thought it would be it gives them a leg up You know gives them an opportunity to really start marketing the note eight early note eight now with less exploding bits I mean it's gonna fly off shelves Yeah, note eight perfectly stable Amazon added links to buy products to its home page that appeared to look like the dash buttons that you can get if you don't know About the dash buttons. They're physical buttons. That's all they are. They have a Tiny little wireless connection and when you push them they will place an order for whatever they are tied to so you get Detergent dash button and every time you push it it'll reorder the detergent The idea is you put it next to your laundry and when you need detergent, you just press it done The detergent is on its way. So, you know, I guess in order to raise awareness about them They made graphics that look like the buttons and then they're auto populating things they know you order regularly and You can leave these on your home page at Amazon. You can reorder them You can delete ones you can make one up for anything Amazon stocks and I Don't like them. I think I feel like they just make my page look ugly Right. Well, I wouldn't worry too much about it Tom because you know, if you pay attention to Amazon enough They do a lot of like a B testing Yeah, and what'll happen is if you're not using some feature It'll just disappear and if you're really using a feature a lot Like I constantly go to like my orders and then now it's like suddenly right right on my home page So yeah, I expect it to adapt and this is a really I can't imagine the internal debate among You know the designers who are like, dude, we have like patented Buy it now the one click buy it now like that is what we are known for Now you want to just like change that Yeah, I see whistle saying I don't reorder stuff So often a button would would make it worth using that I don't either So that's why I was really curious what Amazon would come up with for the buttons Here are the buttons on my home my home page some dog treats and Some Korean beauty face masks Nice mine are cat food Trash bags and cat litter Yep, so, you know what makes sense for both of us because we probably Reorder things for our pets regularly The Korean beauty face passes is pretty hilarious because I ordered them once for Eileen as a gift I never again. I'm like tempted to click this one. Just because what is rata beauty peppermint essentials? I I want to click it's probably essential oil Anyway, neither here nor there. That's kind of TMI, but like what is that? I'm afraid to click it It'll just show up. I want to like click it and find out what it is. Yeah. Yeah, right Yeah, it is a little like don't press that button or you've ordered it. Yeah, and then the other thing is like These should have just been set up on their subscription thing. Anyway, I don't know why my friskies Don't just show up automatically because C captain's choice is what Kirby prefers. Yes, you should you should set it up for a subscription And as we know she's boss Security researcher Brian Krebs has spent the last few months investigating the origin of the Mariah botnet if you don't remember Krebs was attacked by that botnet so he began the Investigation after not only Krebs on security, but also the DNS server dine were taken down and around the same time French web host OVH was attacked and Krebs found evidence that the DDoS against OVH was targeting its Minecraft servers OVH is just a web host and some people host their Minecraft servers there The origin and lineage of Mariah that Krebs then went on to find is complex But he notes that in 2014 a group called LEL DDoS Launched several large attacks to knock sites offline and targeted mostly Minecraft servers Proxy pipe, which is a company that specializes in protecting Minecraft servers from attack itself came under attack in June 2014 and Proxy pipe VP Robert Coelho claims that attacks that happened in 2015 came from a competing Minecraft security company called protraft solutions Krebs believes that the president of protraft and there's only two employees a protraft It's small company that the president may have in fact authored the Mariah botnet worm And goes by usernames dread is cool and Anna Senpai We don't know for sure that he's right, but he suspects it and he lays out his evidence in his post Whoever dread is cool is forum postings by that name do show a person getting tired of attacks on their Minecraft servers and eventually Expressing the desire to go into business protecting Minecraft servers so if nothing else Darren this is a this is a hell of a dramatic read and Does imply that whoever is responsible for whatever that the Mariah botnet grew on the back of Minecraft servers trying to protect themselves against each other and force people to use different services to protect their Minecraft servers This is a beautiful story and it is the eternal return all of this has happened before and all of it will happen again and Lesson you know it don't Wasn't it dying that it was saying like oh, that's an advanced persistent threat. It's like no dude It's script kiddies on IRC The the you know the DDoS is the weapon of choice because the skill requirement is low And the impact is high and if you've ever spent any time within you know underground hacker circles like IRC You will find that they are very centered around ego and schoolyard scuffs like this are just a mainstay of it and so It's just funny to see how this can like, you know Something small like that can just like have this massive impact and and when you like break out the magnifying glass you're like, oh, you know Yeah, yeah, it was and and stoic squirrel asked. Why were they attacking each other in the first place? It's because if you run a Minecraft server you want people to use your server So one way to get people to use your server is to shut down the competing server I don't then that spur spur spur an industry of people who said well I'll protect you against these DDoS's and so then It becomes like well, I want you to use my service to protect your Minecraft servers So I'll DDoS the competing security companies and that and all of this has happened before like you said I don't know if you've ever spent any time on IRC or game servers before but it's really Interesting that once or twice in the history of the internet there has been drama in chat rooms. Hmm. I know it's hard to believe Yeah, I think this is just one of those and that's probably worth investigating Yeah, and find out if that's actually true Finally Amazon signed an agreement with the US Department of Labor to create Apprenticeship USA programs the program will hire US veterans for paid internships at Amazon where they can learn tech skills and Take classes to help qualify for further jobs Amazon's one of 200 employers colleges and labor organizations participating in the program But significantly it's the first of the big tech companies your your Facebook Google Microsoft Etc to do this sort of program This is just fantastic. I looked into this and I'm just really excited that it's actually from The the Department of Labor and it's like how cool is that? I just I have nothing else to say other than that is the coolest thing and I hope similar to what we're talking about with you Know employee 176 at Google doing the philanthropic thing and you know doing good for the world that we see more Silicon Valley companies get in on stuff like this because Just feel like that's part of the hacker ethos as well and this sort of program Especially among 200 different Organizations is the kind of thing we need to make sure that people whose jobs are Affected by the advance of automation and machine learning etc Have an opportunity to figure out where to go next I wrote a column for the patreons at the five dollar level this this week It just came out yesterday about how just because a job gets eliminated doesn't mean the person's work gets eliminated It's the duties that get eliminated and so a lot of times what happens is you say hey You don't have to write down all of the numbers in a piece of paper in a big book anymore We're gonna use you to organize some things at the company that we never had the luxury of organizing anymore And that's why and I say this in the column That's why when you look at offices you don't just see executives in offices and nobody at desks anymore because we've added Excel Spreadsheets and eliminated the need for for hand Recording things instead you see a bunch of people at desk doing things that companies never could afford to do before So this is the kind of thing that says hey if you were in a job that no longer Is needed because those skills have been replaced by some kind of automation or some kind of technology advance Let's help you figure out how to translate those skills and I think this is extremely important right and it's because of that that we've you know seen cool new technologies come like you know Crunching data, you know doing data science at ride sharing services and things of that nature So that's the cool new stuff that we have right because the old stuff is done Yeah, cuz not not every you know some people's jobs will be eliminated and and if you have this kind of program That's going to help quite a bit and that's where we need to we need to focus on that We will see our nation doing that to get all the tech headlines each day in less than 10 minutes subscribe to daily tech headlines Com all right We mentioned the Me Too app yesterday because it's skyrocketing if you didn't hear it's a app that turns any Selfie any picture really into an anime character The app has skyrocketed in popularity in the United States this month It has been a company since 2008 the Me Too Pick app has been out since 2013 And then just recently they added this anime filter, but in China It's got 456 million active users and 6 billion photos created a month. So this isn't a new service However, a lot of people noticed including some security researchers that the app asks for a lot more Information from your device than a photo app would need Including things like location device ID numbers call information carrier info Wi-Fi connections Me Too has gone out and sold seen at look It needs this information for ad tracking the normal way of tracking people through Google Play services is blocked in China Since they're a Chinese company They have to use these third parties to get around that and they comply with all of the guidelines of both the Apple app store And the Google Play store in their app However, a lot of people are seeing that this app wants your device and app history your approximate location Access to your photos and file storage full network access your device idea A lot is being made of the fact that it wants your IMEI number and call information and the ability to change audio settings and While that those are concerns and I personally wouldn't give this app Access to all of these things Me Too is not unique in asking for these things and so people kind of going crazy and like this is spyware Well, yes, so are 50% of the apps on your device right now take Facebook messenger for Android It asks for all the same things that Me Too does in addition It wants your precise location not just your approximate location. It wants your device ID and call info It's taking your IMEI number as well And it wants to do your phone status identify your call log Which phone numbers you called and Me Too doesn't ask for those things. I'm not defending Me Too here I'm just saying if you're shocked about Me Too asking for this stuff good because you need to be aware That all of the apps out there may ask for these sorts of things and you need to be really aware of what you What what information you give to an app when you install it on your device? Now That's that Darren Facebook messenger and Me Too both asking for your IMEI is a little bit Disconcerting and if anyone doesn't know what that is that's a number that is associated to your device And it's a way to track you right because that device always has that number and no other device has that number There's also something called the IMSI which is a device associated to your carrier a subscription that can track you How common is it for apps to use that information to ask for that information? It's actually pretty common considering like i'm just going through my apps alone and and tons of them everything from you know snapchat To signal signal being a encrypted open source messaging app that I completely trust they'll use that And just to better understand the IMEI or IMSI It's kind of like if you're familiar with computing mac addresses being a unique number that is very specific to your computer And only your computer has it it is the equivalent of that And so typically it is just you know used for advertising But there are some other nefarious things and if you'd like I can take a I can give you the skeptical opinion the tin foil hat opinion or the impact Meet space law and cyberspace and global nuances opinion. Yeah. Yeah, let's let's let's let's get into those opinions because I think I think it's fair for people to understand the risks of granting the info both on the side of Maybe you don't want to give an app that you don't trust this info But also on the side of hey, but I do trust an app like signal Is it okay to give that info in certain cases? Mm-hmm, right. Well, the thing about it is that Okay, so as far as the tin foil hat side, right the IMEI is what you use to track devices And there's been a word that's thrown around a lot in the last year, which is stingrays, right? And so stingrays operate by catching those IMEIs and IMSIs so that you can say like, oh, this person was here at this time and that's In of itself like something that you can do with software defined radio Like mostly anyone any hacker can do this now, but at the same time it's like well, what is that? Okay, great. I saw this unique device. But what does that actually mean? Ha ha well if you have an application that everybody's using that are taking selfies of and now you have photos of people in anime Or non-anime form that you can tie with their actual devices Then you would know which anime characters were where when That that's kind of more on the tin foil hat side Otherwise it's really just used for advertising because you want to be able to tell that it's actually a unique device And and where it's going on the web. Yeah, Jonathan Jarski said Really what me too is is a package of multiple analytic and ad tracking Systems put together with a photo app on the front so that you'll use it But it's really just tracking you for ads That is mostly what it's doing and it is not tracking you for ads in an uncommon way This may have opened your eyes to the amount of tracking being done out there Because it happens to be a chinese app and and it makes a good headline to say app sends your personal information to chinese server But my guess is you have several apps on your device right now that are sending your personal information to a chinese server In most cases unless you are already aware of how these apps worked and we're stopping them So this is yeah, like you said, this is news because it's news And I think that it's good though because it serves as a reminder of what kind of data that we're sharing and the You know risks associated with that and you know We've all basically cashed in a certain level of privacy for convenience and hopefully through technology We'll see a better balance of that But it's good to have these little reminders that catch headlines and have people say uh And I hope that the takeaway isn't like er china bad And that like hey, this is possible with technology and what we're relinquishing when we do these things Uh digging more into it. I thought what was actually more concerning is the chinese law that Might possibly be what mandates this uh passed in just uh last august There was a law in china that requires app makers to authenticate real identities like verified phone numbers and other You know identifying information on their apps and then to actually retain that information or other relevant qualifications for up to two months I'm assuming for like law enforcement investigations and things of that nature and hey That's What's really interesting about that to me is how something like this Um, it it's don't think that's scary because it's china because it's the same thing if it's the us or the eu You know these meet space localities make massive impacts on the cloud that knows no bounds And they're affecting the way that the internet operates well Apps operate especially like looking at eu and their their privacy laws So yeah, it's just really interesting to see how it all is in flux There's a really good post by matthew garret, uh, who does dreamwith.org He is a power management mobile and firmware developer on linux security developer core os He goes through like This is what they could do with the i me i and it's mostly the stuff that darin just talked about But if you want to read up a little more about it, he's got a good column and on on the side of me too they are Trying very very carefully to say look we understand that sure if a hacker got into our database And got all of this information that could be used for ill the data collected is sent using multi-layer encryption to servers equipped with advanced firewall ids and ips protection to block external attacks granted You don't have to believe them But those are the those are among the right words you would want someone to say When they're talking about collecting this type of information they say matthew does not sell user data in any form They merely track it uh for advertising and and like uh darin said a lot of this is because they're in china And for chinese users they have to collect the i me is and so therefore they can't exempt anybody who uses this service worldwide Because that would be a violation of the law even if they don't have to track people outside the united states Because they can't use google play services They can't you make an international app that is separate because they're in china and china prevents them from using google play services So they are in a bit of a tough situation um They use an independent service called get ui to deliver their push notifications since they can't use google play services A lot of this information that's being collected is being collected as part of using that sdk uh and an ios There's less information being collected because of the way the app store works It limits what apps can do sometimes to the detriment of the functions of apps But it does check To see if a device is jailbroken Again because that that is something they have to do in china and so that's just the way they built the app So it'll check three times to see if an app is jailbroken And then it can go get some of that information that it couldn't otherwise If you're using android one of the things to know is that you can undo permissions Personally i would delete the app, but if you want to uh to sign up for it you can go through and say Don't give it access to my location Don't give it access to my device id and it will still install and still work And that's as of android marshmallow you have that control and i highly suggest you pay attention to it and use it Uh when you when you must Otherwise, uh darin any other Tips or ideas for people who are it's just a nice reminder And i hope that it's one of those things where we just as consumers will continue to demand better granular security when it comes to these sorts of things This wasn't a part of android until marshmallow and it's nice to know that i can specifically go in and remove the phone permission from the Polaroid zip app which allows me to print little polaroid pictures via bluetooth Why does it need to know it doesn't and now it doesn't anymore? Yeah, very good. Uh, you can also check on the privacy of apps with a service called verify dot ly It's in beta, but you can sign up for an account at verify dot ly and it will go through and give you That basically they do the hard work for you of digging through all of these privacy policies and the permissions that are asked for And you can you can test the security of your apps using that you might want to take a look at that website as well verify dot ly Um, but yeah, so definitely for that's a very, uh developer focused website But hey, if if that's you definitely get in on that and maybe also consider checking out shannon's hack tip series On wire shark if you want to actually set up a lab environment where you can actually Watch all of the packets that are coming out of different apps. Yep. Absolutely. Go check that out as well so I hope that helps you understand a little more about what's actually happening and and you know, don't don't cast dispersions on me too too much Um, I don't like what they're doing But they aren't the first and i'm pretty sure they won't be the last Well, you know, whenever there's a hot app like this, there's the next guy around the corner That's gonna say me too Literally, yeah That too Hey, thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit. You can submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show dot reddit dot com It helps us figure out what to talk about each day We had a couple people submit this follow-up story to our subreddit for our pick of the day I just want to point out a site that's been around for a few years now launched back in 2013 called neocities.org It's an attempt to recapture the spirit of geocities by allowing you to make a free web space and unlike geocities Who only gave you five megabytes of space? They give you 10 megabytes of space for free. Uh, you can do your own domains It's open source. Uh, it allows you to discover other websites They even have an old-fashioned gallery where you can just surf the web from site to site So hey, if you're if you've been missing geocities Try neocities. Tom. This is so good I am I'm thrilled to see the web going back in that direction And I spent a lot of time on this gallery because there's just so much creativity We need more of this and like not on the walled gardens that are the facebook's and the My spaces of the world and yeah, I think I just said my space Uh, the one archive was featured in the gallery and just drew me in because it's a collection of national security and intelligence It's an espionage good stuff. All of these, you know freedom of information act requests and uh, yeah cool fbi files You can dig through for funsies. So yeah, so much good stuff here. Go check it out. It's all ssl It's all https by default. Yeah Neocities.org I said your pics to us folks feedback daily tech news show dot com You can find more pics at daily tech news show dot com slash pics One message of the day to get to before we're out of here howard in mountain mariland Wrote in and said hey on thursday's dts. You were speculating that hbo would soon follow the netflix model and release the entire season Of shows at one time well to be fair read hastings was speculating that We were just passing that along. Uh, but anyway, howard wants to point out that free form Which used to be abc family has already done this with a new series They introduced a few weeks ago the show beyond premier january 2nd 2017 on cable and they Simultaneously released all 10 episodes online Uh, is disney using this as a means to track the viability of a new series or just being generous to develop an audience Frankly, the show is slightly below par in howard's opinion, but fills the time slot after shadow hunters. So there you go uh, but yeah, I I Just found out uh from from howard that free form had done this. So thank you howard for sending that along All the episodes at once it's going to be the wave of the future says read hastings We'll see All right, that's it for this episode. Thank you darin kitchen for joining us. Uh, of course, uh, as you mentioned, uh, you There's lots of great resources at h a k 5 dot o r g anything else to pass along to folks this week Yeah, you know if you want to like binge watch if you're really into that there are 438 episodes of hack 5 you can catch up on so, you know, it only take you like two months And uh, uh, non stop watching or you can just watch the latest episode Which we are fresh back from schmuck on in washington dc had a great pleasure of talking to uh renowned security researcher mike osman about sniffing infrared signals And if that sounds like the 90s, it's because the dream of the 90s is alive and it's infrared And it's the way that you can crack people's cell phones even when their radios are off Oh, yeah, what my my phone isn't sending out infrared. What are you talking about? Oh wait infrared's heat Oh, my phone gets hot. Wait a minute. No, no, it's better tom. It's the proximity sensor in your phone You know when you like so my phone screen is on right now and I put it up to my face and then it turns off It's because it's emitting an ir beam and it turns out it's i don't want to bear Anyway, yeah, check it out unique Do you want to check out that's going to be that's this uh week's episode of hack 5 with mike osman And then next week we got the the guy that discovered that uh here in studio Uh woody coming in so so check it out. It's so it's great awesome research hik 5.org Now today january 20th is inauguration day every time there's a new president january 20th is inauguration day And combining today's story about me too with that fact is len peralta who's been illustrating the show Yes, you know, I said at the top of the show that today's drawing was either going to be the best thing I've ever drawn Or the worst thing I've ever drawn. You can let me know on twitter What you think or uh at my online store len peralt store.com Yes, this is uh Kind of a mash-up of the event of today the inauguration of the 46th is it 45th 45th POTUS Along with the me too app. So that's that's all i'm going to say You got to go check it out on your own take a look at and see what you think and let me know Yeah, the audio listeners definitely got to get in on this for the eyelashes alone Len peralta store.com Yes, make Your wall great again make your wall great again with one of len's prints Uh, yeah, no, it's I think you found the best of both worlds here len. Thank you. Thank you All right, our email addresses feedback. Oh wait, hold on big. Thanks to our supporters like jonas fenson ashley kinsle and carlos and zola join them Won't you at daily tech news show dot com slash support? We thank every single person who makes this show possible our email addresses feedback at daily tech news show dot com We're live monday through friday 4 30 p.m. Eastern at alpha geek radio dot com or diamond club dot tv And our website is daily tech news show dot com back on monday with lamar wilson dr. Then This show is part of the frog pants network. Get more at frog pants dot com Diamond club hopes you have enjoyed this brover All right show you guys Yeah, I thought so that was good I uh, I think I think you've outdone yourself. I don't know man I was I was drawn. I'm like this is seems very very wrong I think you've reached out to both sides of the aisle political people and anime fans. There you go I mean, you how are you gonna? You know, this is an opportunity to see Yeah, has any well, maybe has any other uh, uh potas been drawn as an anime character in quite such way I don't know. I can't say that I that I know of one That's a good question. Yeah, this is this is this allows, uh, you know, this is kind of a little entry way into Imagination, let's just say that we're breaking the ground. I mean actually president trump has been in fact one of the The people that most often have been used in this app along with president obama. They both had I did I did see some of that's what made this one a little bit harder to draw Because as I was saying earlier in the in this before the show was that you know I'm pretty good at caricature and trying to capture people's faces But what me what me too does is it's sort of distorts that in kind of a weird way Um, and I'm afraid, you know, I I I have you have to try have you tried it yet? No, no, I'm not it's putting on anything. I do it that thing I need to get yeah, I need to put it on my burner phone. You're right. Yeah, that's that's the way I felt about it So I didn't want you know, I was like, uh, yeah, that's pretty cool But I don't really care too much about what I look like as an anime. So this is a an opportunity to you know I I really don't want to see myself as an anime character. It's a little bit scary Everything I've seen so far from that app has been very scary. So Uh show titles. Oh, yes show titles Um top is note eight less exploding bits There's um Troubled by nosy apps me me too huh dashing amazon won't use your data me too I am eio I that one is it even really make that much sense, but I think it's Like calling me there's a lot of me to Where where do you see that? No, it's just the I am e I It's like me Explosive note seven reports Make me too great a gani Great, and I that's try it He's trying to if he's trying to combine multiple stories. Oh, I think he just missed that again Yeah, we have a couple of make me too great again in there She now go put it in twice because he realized his typo. Yeah To trust or not to trust verify your safety I don't know nothing leaps out. I do like uh Troubled by nosy apps me too. I like it. You like it. Everybody likes it. We all like it I like note eight perfectly stable. I also like note eight less exploding bits I know those aren't the main ones, but the main uh, yeah, I like less exploding bits too I mean well, you know, I said it so of course I like it, but um, I also think that it has very little to do with the Main story, so if you had to pick one based on the me too then Hmm We could we could go with the note eight as the title In which case then we could respect democratic choice. Okay. Oh what? Is this a democracy? No, it's not Okay, because I was about to say like uh, we're not going with a popular vote here Are we but you know just like some countries that aren't democracies allow for you know small amounts of democracy? This dictatorship can also do that. Nice As a release valve I like it. What do you think uh, roger? um I mean I For the for the on topic title. I like troubled by nosy apps me too For what about for the if we go off topic? um You know It's really hard to say it really like I like the the me too stuff But troubled by nosy apps me too Makes the most sense for the show. It's the all right. Let's do that one. I'm not Avented in any way We've done plenty of note seven related titles. Yeah, that's the other thing There's gonna be so many opportunities. In fact note eight less exploding bits. We could just save that for the note eight release. Yeah when it explodes No, it's not gonna explode. Actually Honestly, I don't think that I would kill off the note line and call it something else Yes, I feel like the the the word note is just like you don't want to Although that said it is china and the number eight is really good. So Well, it's korea, but I get what you're saying china's gonna We're all the same We're all the same. We're just one giant He meant they're gonna sell china a lot of these in china I was thinking about the me too saying the me too story. Yes. Yes. Yeah, uh, just a fail No worries. All right. Korea's like connected to china. It's right there You know, we're all we are all connected to china. That's right. We're all connected to each other Yeah, nice save nice save. There's only one one color in this world blue baby blue It's the color that we all have it's the blue marble. I don't have blue eyes tom You have but the world is blue roger. Okay, just work with me here I am blue adab ad-daba do adab ad-daba just say it with me now I was actually quoting a guy named hamel on trial Who uh, who used to do so who used to play out in uh, austin. He was awesome Awesome awesome and austin. Yes. He was that drawing that drawing is at the front of my store and it's very disturbing You're disturbed by your own work. I am Eddie every one of those me too have photos is kind of disturbing in one way or another too It's the eyes That's why all those k-pop stars are creepy looking because their eyes are all Jacked up from all that surgery That was the hard part about drawing this is that you know, Trump's eyes are tiny So like trying to make them bigger like that kind of change the way he looks. So yeah Yeah, re rearchitects the face. Yeah, the hair had to kind of push it So I did the little hand gesture thing too, which is And what you made little just it with the gesture was little is what you were saying Yes, yeah It's like this this little the thing he does like that one of your most challenging works I don't know about that, but you know, it's the most I can put together for a day It wasn't cyber. There you go. There you go. It's a non-cyber friday. Oh, well, that was nice. That was good. Yeah, that I have to Yeah, I have to say that was a that was a nice thing. So I'm gonna go I like in fact. I actually want to see the cartoon series that that is the Four oh man Wouldn't it wouldn't that be great? I would watch that for four years You know, I made a joke about hbo's show the young pope Because I said, yeah, you know, that makes sense that like hbo got sesame street because now i'm waiting for jim henson's pope babies I don't get that even younger pope. Yes. It's like, well, there's just gonna be all the little popes So, right, you know, there's a young pope a younger pope and then a pope baby. Yeah, a little baby pope francis or baby pope Aw Be amazing. It'd be such a cute little show. They just travel the world fighting crimes and all ages too. Yeah, beautiful But still voiced by jude law Both of them Yes, every all the little popes It's just jude law that just sped his voice up in other indifferent ways Sixtus not again Pope Gregory He keeps our calendar Are you messing with the midici family again? All right, i'm gonna go for a walk. I think I need one. Yeah. Yeah. No, thank you. Uh, thank you. That was awesome Nice. Thank you so much. Uh, we'll see you next week. All right. Stay warm. Have a good weekend Yes, please stay dry Man, we need more water more water keep it coming How's it is it raining up there darin? Oh monsoon and then I In the middle of it needed to reseal the uh vent Band on the roof of the van. So yeah, it'll expose all those leaks that we haven't known existed for three years because we haven't had any rain dealing with a leak and you're like Cabin on wheels is just the most depressed the worst ever. Yeah Is it like a pop-up thing? Yeah, yeah, it just needs to get re-cocked every year and Unfortunately, like there's there's stuff that I know that will like last for years But of course none of the shops want to use it. They want to use the stuff that'll bring you back Yeah, well, it's cheaper. There's they don't use weather stripping No, they just use cock. It's so stupid. I have this amazing stuff I'm just I don't care. I just I'm like dude to scrape that stuff off. I'm gonna put this on. Yeah Yeah, anyway, yay. Yeah, I've got a very very small drip that we never had Before just because there's just been so much water that it finally found A tiny crack somewhere. It's exciting. It's gonna be so green. I know lords of that. I know Yeah, it's been so yellow here for years I'm gonna where are you gonna get out to? I'm I'm heading out to mount tam to the ridgecrest road that On the way to belinas. Oh my god. That's the one from all the car commercials Yeah, yeah, I'll probably I'll I want to drive up like tapanga temescal up there in the Up along the coast Or even just drive up to santa barba. It'd be beautiful. I'm gonna stare at the window of the hill that's behind my house You're an ambitious man roger j Roger, are you also in uh in santa monica? No, I am in glendale. Okay So I am I am he's on the other side of the valley Yeah, we're the two clans. He's on the other side of the hollywood hills even. Oh, wow Yeah I think I've been downtown glendale and gta 4 5. Yeah 5 Can you get to glendale and gta? I know you go all over the west side. You go past the hollywood hills and end up in some like I don't know what it's it's probably trying to be like Um barstow bank. Yeah. Yeah. No barstas. No no barstas pretty far. Yeah I don't know what it's actually trying to be some gamer could explain it to me um or map maker Oh, man We just did this, uh We just did this episode of fact 5 and this is the trouble of having shannon be the editor now Is she doesn't understand like when to cut things and so I left a mic on Uh while we were just like prepping to do some throws at schmoo con And we're just like talking kind, you know, not too like philosophically or anything But just candidly about the art industry And you know just telling stories and stuff and you know like Five 10 minutes into it. I'm like, all right So how do you want to like intro this and she's like, I think we just did and I'm like you cannot You can't put that in and you know what she does She put it in. Yeah And so I would I I would if I were to guess and I'm only guessing it's not because she doesn't know It's because she's decided like this is really good stuff I mean You know ish But I'm like, oh no because I'm like talking about like writing text files in the 90s now I'm just I just know someone's going to pull my docs. See, but that's why people like this post show Right because they get to hear us just talking candidly. So you're right now that I think about a hack 5 has never had a post show And the weird thing is like almost every comment on youtube has nothing to do with the amazing security research That's what I'm that's actually what I'm upset about is mike osmond debuted some really amazing security research and all the youtube comments are about like, you know My exploits as a 13-year-old right right. That doesn't mean they didn't hear it though Okay, well, I just feel bad for mike because he deserves better than that Go go comment some things about mike people. Come on. Yeah Show the moss man some love he's on uh He's on not f net dang it. Why is my Under net no Ah, why can I not remember the amazing irc server that is for the open source projects that there is a hack 5 channel On because you're getting old like me. That's why no, I'm not getting old. I'm getting younger every day Born as a no born as an old man, and I'm gonna die a young no I don't know. I was born as an old man. I'm gonna stay that way Uh, I am I am upping my grandpa joke game though. Yeah, nice. Yeah Skipping over dad jokes going right to grandpa jokes I've decided well my goal is to figure out how to be a thank you captain jack. It is free node No, yeah, so he's a moss man on free node and just slash msg him and um say Do you like chinese food? no, I say um Actually captain jack my exploits in that show we're talking about growing up on down that which is not a great place to grow up Is as a tween, but whatever I know I know what you're saying about wanting the focus of the audience to be on some of it But I have to admit exploits of a 13 year old darin kitchens are pretty interesting Yeah Yeah, maybe I'll just tell those stories when I retire anyway that Well, if you're troubled by nosy apps, we hope that you understand more about them now and that episode is now live Uh, and roger will help me make sure that I didn't screw anything up right roger um Yeah, wait, but there was the beautiful opportunity to Make an emoji title here With the no sign the letter z and then the little app icon No z apps By the way, by the way, I left this in Usually I stopped down and and start over again. I want to see if I can play it Oh, maybe I can play it off of here because I think it works really well. It's just one of those fortuitous things Uh, this is this is how today's show begins ready? Here we go one second phasers just done Oops It was so perfectly timed It felt a purpose. Wait. What was it? I didn't hold on. Hold on. Hold on phasers That was it. You're playing the You're playing the podcast on the podcast tom like this is podcast inception. We just like we just ate our we literally Our own tail we kerber roast us or the tail ate the head. I'm not even sure what happened Yeah, the tail may have eaten the head. Yeah, that's um, who was it that was on that pixel core show I forget what it was called But uh, I picked it. I think I picked this one up from alex lindsay Which is uh, it's a euphemism for setting your phone to vibrate Or or muting your phone before a podcast is getting phasers to stun Another hack-fivism in the studio kind of like, you know, um focusing on tom merit Because you're you're focusing you're setting the focus of your camera on the envelope on a c-stand that is called top It's a spitting image. Yeah, no, I've been I've I've looked at it and thought I was looking in a mirror I I'm doing a call. I'm doing a photo collage project and uh Deciding what I'm going to print on the polar red zip and that's one of those Here let me pull. Let's play this again. So roger because I think roger didn't quite Did you quite did you hear it? No, all right. This is the beginning of today's podcast ready phasers just done I mean, that's just the end sentence of darin. It's not it. No, it was a full sentence Who was the full sentence? The sentence is this phasers just done These are what? phasers to stun. Oh Yeah, man, it's a podcast. We got to have a couple of red shirts if we're gonna I would have I would have stopped it. I would have been like, oh, hold on except it was so perfectly timed As as if it were planned. So I hope that's okay. Okay. Yeah, sure It's over my head You didn't take the title. You got to keep it and it's also already rendered All right, thanks everybody for watching listening enjoying not enjoying up to you We'll talk to you tomorrow