 Thank you very much. We are still here at OIDC where we witnessed the launch of the true apostolic church here. So I'm meeting the priest. Priest Amokusana will take us through what has transpired. Thank you very much. Kindly introduce yourself and also maybe give me your position in the church. So thank you very much. I'm priest Joseph Muala Amokusana. I'm a priest based in Betauke Eastern province and I'm the spokesperson for the true apostolic church. Okay thank you very much. Maybe kindly take us through what transpired today. Okay so today we had a very beautiful launch service which was well attended by over 1,000 souls, 1,054 souls to be specific and the service was conducted, officiated by Bishop Julius Moanshidindi from Tanzania who stood in the place of our dear apostle Kabongo Kanto Kristof from the Democratic Republic of Congo who could not make it for the divine service because of other logistical issues to do with his passport and clearance from that captain. Otherwise we had a very wonderful divine service. Very beautiful fellowship. Okay thank you very much. So what has brought this kind of a launch to this particular level since we have heard from different members that this is a breakaway. Kindly confirm what led to all this if also what we are hearing is true. Okay so yeah you are right. The true apostolic church is a breakaway church from the new apostolic church Zambia Limited and the breakaway was necessitated by a number of fundamental doctrino misunderstandings that were pronounced firstly by the chief apostle of the New Apostolic Church International Jean-Luc Schneider on the 20th of September 2022 in which among other major pronouncements was that come January 1st 2023 there will be women ordination into ministry at all levels of ministry from the deacon up to chief apostle. So that was the fundamental issue that led now to many other issues that were revisited to be pronounced before that but had not really come to the fore. Among them is the issue of the acceptance of homosexual tendencies and practices in the New Apostolic Church International and the New Apostolic Church Zambia Limited. So the New Apostolic Church recognises and actually accepts the LGBTQ plus members to the effect that they actually solemnise their partnerships provided that they are registered with their local councils. Not so far away from our jurisdiction here we have just in the neighborhood within our southern African region South Africa where these practices have taken effect in fact dating back to 2015 when some brothers gay brothers and sisters were actually also blessed in their partnerships. Apart from that through the NAC Rainbow an organisation that is duly registered and recognised in the New Apostolic Church that champions the rights of the LGBTQ plus members of the New Apostolic Church some of those gay brothers have actually been ordained into ministries in Europe and so that is also another fundamental difference that brought about the breakaway. Thirdly there's also the issue of the New Apostolic Church being registered as a company, a limited company by a guarantee. So most of the members were not privy to this information and in fact because of these discussions that we engaged in it came to the fore that actually we are not members of the church but we are volunteers because it is a company that is registered with shareholding as the apostles and the few others that are shareholders in the New Apostolic Church. So those are the fundamental differences that actually brought us to this point. So first to mention that before the breakaway we had engagements with the then New Apostolic Church to which we belong but those channels exhaustive as they were they didn't yield any results and so we decided to to breakaway so that we can pursue our faith in a biblical manner based on biblical tenets and in an environment that inspires us to worship God in truth and in spirit. Okay thank you. Others have argued that with regards to ordaining women into ministry that it's just a pronouncement that has to take effect or that has to come into effect next year. Why not the wait? Why couldn't you have waited? Why haven't you exhibited patience with regards to seeing if the pronouncements come to fruition? Well we we want we want to be very real. You know in 2019 the chief apostle addressed the international world the New Apostolic world where he announced that with effect from Pentecost of 2019 the new concept of ministry was going to kick in okay and come Pentecost that year the new concept of ministry was rolled out. When the chief apostle makes a pronouncement I want the general public to understand the kind of authority that is invested in the chief apostle. The chief apostle is the head of the New Apostolic Church international and all other affiliate churches district churches and so he is the final authority he gives a doctrino and administrative pronouncements that are binding for the church. So it is not a matter of debate that if people would have waited up to January 1 then that there was a possibility that those pronouncements are not going to take effect. The fact of the matter is those pronouncements are going to take effect come January 1 women are going to be ordained into ministry. It's not a subject of debate. This also was cemented in the many engagements that we had with the church. Mind you let me also bring it to the attention of the members of the public that are interested to know that in Zambia the district church here sat out of the pressure that we had mounted then as defenders and they came up with resolutions which resolutions pointed to the fact that as district apostle area 28 the ordination of women could not take place now that it was not yet possible to ordain women into ministry but in the future that was going to take place. So the issue of ordaining women into ministry is a matter of policy once the chief apostle makes a pronouncement that is church policy and the church takes that direction. Okay thank you very much. What sets apart TAC from NAC in terms of principles or doctrino type of beliefs? So thank you very much as you might be aware that we are a breakaway church and our breakaway is stemming from very very specific points of doctrino misunderstandings. First of all the first fundamental difference is that the true apostolic church is not a limited company it's an organization a society that is registered with the society's act and the registrar of society so ours is not a limited company so that is the fundamental difference number one and in this society all the members are part of the church and they on the church there's no single one person who would claim ownership of the church so that is one fundamental difference the other fundamental difference that borders on doctrine is that based on biblical truth and belief that no women will be ordained in the new apostolic church and that is not a subject for debate because we are a Bible based church and we believe in the guidance of the church and not in the personal conceived ideologies of a human being that are disguised as inspirations of the Holy Spirit as if it is claimed in the other church where we came from so that is another fundamental difference the other fundamental difference is that we stick to the tenants of God our creator who created man and woman homosexuality has no room in the true apostolic church the other fundamental difference is that in the true apostolic church we are going to stick to the traditional hierarchy of ministry you might be aware that it was first out to pave way for the rektaship that came in to phase out the ministries of of evangelist up to district elder as through apostolic church we are going back to those fundamental ministries that form the backbone of the church of crust so in brief i think that is what i can point to as the fundamental differences between we as the through apostolic church and the new apostolic church is limited yes following these divisions we have seen some if not most of the members of knack more especially coming back from lukulu they are staying away from church they are not going either to tack or knack so what's your word to such members our word to our brothers and sisters is that the true apostolic church has been launched it's been registered and we they are free we are inviting them to come and worship with us it may be in a classroom because we do not want to congregate in areas that are disputed could be in a classroom and they are more than welcome the true apostolic church for information is a church that is composed of brothers and sisters that profess crust as their personal lord and savior who wants to align their lives in accordance with the gospel of jesus crust and allow themselves to be prepared for the return of crust so our message to those members is our doors are open please let them come through if there are any questions they are free to contact our ministers there i think pristi kazungo is a very prominent figure there they can go to him and you give them guidance so there is no need for them to stay back home now now does the door of grace has been opened and we bidding everyone a welcome into the true apostolic church on the other side we have the chief apostol as the head of the church in running the church now when it comes to naku who leads the church and if we have such do we have can you reveal the name of the person so our leader in the true apostolic church is the apostol kristof kantu kabong from the democratic republic of kong by the grace of god we witness today in the divine service that we have a bishop from tanzania bishop who manshirindi from tanzania so the the church has a leadership the chief apostle for your information is an apostle who's given a special responsibility so the the basic ministry upon which he operates is that of an apostle and the true apostolic church has an apostle in a leader in the apostol kabong thank you very much on the emblem again we see a similar emblem like such of the new apostolic church maybe kind of explain with regards to the same so in regards to the emblem those issues will be clarified we are aware of the insinuations that have been made by the other camp and so for now we will that is working progress and at the right time we shall come and announce and unveil our official emblem okay thank you very much unless you left anything thank you very much i'm very grateful to you lupulu fm for the wonderful job that you have done to be able to broadcast this very special memorable divine service that was here at oidc and thanks to you many of our brothers and sisters even from lukulu and other faflang areas we are able to follow the divine service and we can only wish you all the best may god bless you but please we pray and ask you that you keep your doors open because this is not the end it's just the beginning of our partnerships there will be many more remember the apostol kabong will be here next year what we need and so when it when it comes we shall still knock on your doors that you can still come back and be able to cover our divine services so from oidc want to wish all our brothers and sisters everywhere god's blessings and wish them all the best let them worship their god in truth and in spirit i thank you okay thank you very much okay thank you i was just talking to pristi amoksana who happens to also be one of the top leaders that are leading the church in terms of the secretariat who was just explaining to what's transpired just now the members have already gone as the launch has been completed or has already been done so we just had a chance to talk to the priest who was explaining as to what's led to this what led this former new apostolic church to this launch we heard itoy emanated from from pronouncements made by the chief aposto of the new apostolic church uh that's loka shinaida gen loka shinaida uh with regards to the ordaining of women that has to take place early next year and also partial treatment towards homo sexual relationships or marriages so those are some of the key key differences that have led to the breakaway of the this new form the church from the new apostolic church so we witnessed the service or the launch that was supposed to be attended by the elite aposto uh in the name of kabongo uh josef kabongo from from the democratic republic of kongo