 We have once again welcomed back home and my panelist gentlemen, Kari Bunissana. This is why Tfifu, we speak to the youth and for the youth. The voices are heard here. For this past week, like I have mentioned we have been subjected to all manner of comments, opinions from our leaders across board on what they feel about the BBI. And when it was being launched at the bombers of Kenya, we had misgivings of all the grey areas that were highlighted by our politician. That is where I want us to begin right from because we had a meeting in Naivasha where a good number of them, they felt like now we are on board and, of course, we still have people who feel like ya we need the Father amendments to the said report. I want us to begin from the lunch, I'll begin with you Nadin, how did you feel in regards to what was said about the report having maybe partly read by yourself. I believe if you are to look at the launch, that's a particular day, everyone was busy talking about unity, how the BBI is the perfect journey to where people want to go to, but the moment the D.P. spoke, the lefty president spoke and aired his views, which were contrary, he was jeered or bored. If at all we are trying to have a conversation, if at all we are trying to solve certain things that the particular class think are patent right now, which I don't think they are, to be honest with you, if at all we want to solve issues, then everyone should be allowed to say whatever they feel. For example, if you look at the BBI report as it is, they say it's a constitutional moment, which I don't believe. We have one of the best conscience in the face of this world, or this earth, sorry. And the problem with the constitution is the politician who has failed. And this so-called constitutional moment they are claiming is meant to further try and... One of the things that we see, for example, we are talking about one of the sweeteners for the youth. They talk about seven years grace period young pay tax, they talk about a youth commission, they talk about the help loan. Let me go straight into those three things. First and foremost, if you talk about the seven-year grace period, they're talking about the tax won't be paid at particular time. Most of the young men and women who actually do business, they don't do business that are registered. No. And if at all you want to put a grace period for taxing, have you thought about capital? Because you can't have a business of capital. So you're going to tell me, I'll give you a grace period, you won't pay tax. Who will say that have the capital to start a business? That's number one. Then number two, they'll tell you about a youth commission. I'll pose a question. So you'll have a youth commission. Six people nominated by the president, then they go through parliament. And then they say at least four should be youth. So two of them God knows who. And according to Jubilee, youth is relative because youth in Jubilee, as we saw the other day in the president was saying during the Mashuja Day, he has tried to, he's trying to give young men and women opportunities. We just saw the other day in parliament, he sent ambasadero nominees, five people above 60 years old, and the youngest was 49. And now we are being told that they are here to take care of the youth. I want you to hold on that thought will be dwelling deeper into that because we have different feelings in regards to this. And of course we will be looking into what really happened. Then we highlight a few things that were mentioned. Philip, what stood out for you in that particular launch that has made you stand where you are with your decision? This is what I am for or I'm not for? First I must begin by saying I was not swayed by the launch. I think with the benefit of perspacacity I had seen right from the start that this was not a national agenda. Inasmuch as it was touted as a national agenda, a peace building and a uniting factor. This was a money affair and a political affair between two people. Incidentally it turned out into what it is right now. So I think my views were set right from the beginning. But talking about the launch, I think what was very unfortunate was that this launch was an invites only meeting. And those that were invited were those that played the BBI drama. Yet this was supposed to be an inclusive engagement. It's a national document that has consumed over 25 billion shillings of taxpayer's money. The other bit that I found unfortunate is this. That all the speakers with the exception of the deputy president were lumping praises on the report. I think it was supposed to be a launch and it was supposed to herald a conversation. So if you have speakers who are praising the report and insisting that that report must be praised at all costs and it must go through at all costs, then I think that is a false start. But when my colleague has mentioned how the remarks of the deputy president were received, I think he was the only one who was speaking a contrary view. If he was not a strong man I believe he would have such down. But he stood his ground and spoke, and I think he spoke the voice of many Kenyans who have questions on this BBI issue. And the way we have taken contrary opinion on the BBI aspect and the referendum is not something that we should continue doing as a nation because if we want to give to ourselves a constitution that is holistic and one that is inclusive, then we must listen even to the contrary voice.