 Hello everyone and welcome to art so wonderful show. I'm Bruce Wilson here with a guest. My good friend, business partner and CEO of Community Wealth, Daniel Parkins. So say something. Say hello. Yeah, hi everyone. It's a pleasure to be on the show with you Bruce. It's Community Wealth Development. That's a big part of what I envision as my work is developing spaces where communities can build wealth together. It's a pleasure to have met you and to be a part of this movement that we're working on right now. Same old same old. So for right now I'm going to talk a little bit about Art So Wonderful Gallery and Performing Center. So we just opened it up May 20th and it was a good event for four to six but I don't know. I forget my social media director Teddy said I think it's like 62 people or 52 or something like that. Showed up which was awesome. We had live performance with Jack Hansen Jazz, with Sophie Gloria. You can enjoy them on our cable show because Art So Wonderful was there filming on CCTV. It's just coming up. So it's coming out probably tomorrow. What's today? 23rd. Oh yeah, I think it's 23rd. 23rd or 24th. But Art So Wonderful Gallery and Performing Center is near Targets at the University Mall. It's around 8,000 square feet, a stage built in there. Incredible art that's in there for artists that from around. Yeah, so nice. I love it when I walk in there and just walk through. Wow, so cool. It's from artists from around Vermont. I'm not an artist or a musician. I say I love art and music and so I'm inspired by all the artists in their minds. How they put their media together. Wow, it's incredible. And so you have to come in there. Some people said that our space looked like an art museum. I didn't think about that until this morning. He said that more than like two people said it. And then I looked around the space and the day this does look like an art museum, you know, because it's like all around the perimeter and you know, they've got that stage there. Daniel said, move the stage up. So we've got to move the stage up. Yeah, well I think if the stage was in the middle and you had performing artists in the center there, you know, that might draw away from it being feeling more like a museum, right? You can still have the art on the walls, but you can have things coming out that it's different kinds of art that it kind of grow working. Yeah, I talked to my team about moving stage up and they're like, okay, it's not an easy move. But yeah, they're not all those chairs and stuff. But yeah, they're not so excited about it. But we're going to move it because I take it right. And so Daniel, let's talk about some of the projects that we're working on. Oh wait, but before we get there, I'm sorry, excuse me everybody. I have to say that we are looking for a muralist to help us re-design some of our murals in the primarily in Chimney County, but mostly in Burlington. In Burlington, art so wonderful have created probably over 60% of the mural in Burlington. And we also created art so wonderful electric boxes. So you see all those cool electric boxes? Those are our partner artists have done a lot of them too, primarily in South South Burlington. But we do artists and muralists to help us re-create, re-design our murals in Burlington. It's going to be an incredible fun thing to do. What I like to do is give artists an opportunity to showcase their talents in places that probably they might think it's hard to get to do, but with us it's easy because we already have all these locations and we need to redo them because some of our murals are called bomb the wall. Some graffiti vandals, we call them vandals bomb the wall. The good thing about graffiti vandals, when you start working with us you turn to a graffiti artist immediately. You save art. You have permission to put it on the wall and we've supplied you with paint and now you're a graffiti artist. So please look me up, look up artso-wonderful at gmail.com. Artso-wonderful at gmail.com. And you just email me, Bruce Wilson, and you're in. I'll email you immediately. So when I see you and you're in, you want to see me working on a gallery, you want to see me working on a community. And so thank you for not bombing our walls as much as some people's. You see that cool logo, artso-wonderful logo. Don't touch it. Just get in touch with me if you want to do something that wall. Thank you. So Daniel, yeah, yeah. All right, here we are. Ooh, Daniel, so we got some stuff to do, bro. You want to explain what we're working on? Yeah, absolutely. There's really two projects. It's kind of a meeting of the minds in my perspective. I really feel like, you know, Bruce has created this really vibrant space for artists in Burlington and his art gallery down in the University Mall. I've just been very impressed with how you've brought that art into a space that's often just very commercialized, you know. And so it's a new feeling and it feels really powerful in how we can reclaim old spaces and rebuild things. And that really is kind of what kicked off this whole project. We're working to, with the Friends of the Frame. So we're looking at the Moran frame here from Battery Park. We can see it from wherever we're sitting. And around the Moran frame there's a chain link fence and it's connected to the Burlington Electric Department's electric building. And the building doesn't look so great. And there's barbed wire on the fence. And we're trying to make that a community space. And you know, something about community being inviting and welcoming. And you know, what better way to do that than to bring art to that space, to bring street art to that space and to really help to carry that conversation forward about what the community of Burlington represents and how the Moran frame fits into that space. And so with that is the premise. Bruce and I got to work and Bruce has been championing the art side of that project, really trying to bring in artists, as he said, trying to bring in opportunities for the community to participate in creating art for that fence. We're going to have a canvas that wraps around the whole fence and it's going to have seven different panels for murals to go on there. And we're actually having that as a part of Juneteenth. We're going to be having the community participate in painting those murals and be involved in creating those art pieces that will be at the Moran frame. And I think it's just a really beautiful project. And so connected to that, though, on the other side is what we are calling a dialogue on community. And what a dialogue is, this is something that I think is significant to really parse out. Most people hear the word dialogue and I think there's some confusion around what that means. And so a dialogue is not a debate. A debate is structured in such a way where you're just listening enough to figure out how you can shut your opponent down and it's a zero sum game, right? A dialogue is not a discussion. A discussion is often where you're kind of using information and evidence and theories and ideas and you're lobbying them back and forth, but there's still an element of persuasion involved with the discussion. You're trying to convince the person you're speaking with about your ideas. A dialogue is not a conversation either. A conversation is whimsical. It kind of goes all over the place. It doesn't really have direction even though there's often not, say, an intention behind persuading people one way or another. What a dialogue is, is a process to seek understanding. And that's all it is. There's no plans for what's coming next. There's no intention to persuade or change people's minds. The whole objective of a dialogue is to create a safe space where people can share their perspectives and by filling that space with everyone's shared perspective we can all gain new understanding and reflect on our own understandings at the same time. And so I took a little time to explain that because I really think that that's important to understand the principles there and to have this dialogue centered on what is community, you know, what is our experience in community connected to these art projects that we're doing with the Moran frame, I think there's a lot of, there's a strong symbiotic relationship there that creates what I would call a positive sum game. It's a way of generating wealth in the community that goes beyond just money. You know, there's value in creating that collective understanding. There's benefit in us being able to share a common space and build understanding together that transcends, you know, a financial realm in itself and art is a great way of expressing that. And so I think I've kind of really laid it out in detail here. I like to talk a lot, but if there's anything you want to add to that. Wow, wow, I'm just saying that you said it in a sort of eloquent way and wonderful. And like one of the things that you, as you know, as we hope know is that we are learning from the community, you know, is community wealth, you know, learning from people about the ideas and suggestions on how they see the world, how they see ways to make it better, how we can use their ideas and suggestions to share with others. And hopefully that others can also admit to the following through what these ideas are from others, and that we can use them continuously in our dialogues that we're going to have. Yeah. I also want to forget one thing. And I can't wait because I'm all, anybody who knows me will say that they know that I'm all in the community. You know, always laugh about boots on the ground. You're the guy with the brains that is all fit. I'm the boots on the ground. You know, I'm the guy who just goes here by trying to make it work. It's a very complimentary relationship. We compliment each other's skill sets a lot, I think. No doubt about it. Nobody's better. Nobody, but we just do what we have to do to make it work. And so I'm excited to get us to our first dialogue for the 25th of June, right? Yeah. So the dialogue will be on the 25th of June. It's from 10 to 4. Maybe it actually 10 to 3, I think it's a five hour event. We're going to have about two hours of discussion right up front. Then we're going to do two hours where we actually install the painted murals on the canvas that we did on Juneteenth at the Moran frame. You know, so once we've installed all the canvases on the fence, there's going to be some food and a little bit of time for us to just kind of socialize casually, have some conversation and then we'll go back and process that event. Have one more session of dialogue before we round off the day. And that will really give us some time to reflect and understand and get to know each other and build the rapport necessary to really dig into all those different perspectives. Yeah, how wonderful that's going to be to get individuals going to be a part of or just come visiting Juneteenth event. That's going to be downtown Burlington. This is Chris, I'm in Roosevelt Park this year. It's going to be a downtown Burlington out throughout downtown. That's right. And our space is going to be between Burlington City House of Building and City Hall. What we're going to do is a mural. People from around, probably around Chittany County, I just brought them to take a look up to Burlington to enjoy. Lots of folks are coming in for that. Yes, to enjoy this wonderful Juneteenth event. And we'll be able to get an opportunity hopefully to be able to put something on our panels that our artists have well designed and it's like kind of like a paint by number thing. But how wonderful is that? And then for up to one year, once we install it down here on the waterfront, right around the frame, people can enjoy it by just combined. Look at that, I put this person, I put this person up, I put this peace sign, I put, you know what I mean, all these wonderful things that they, whatever they, whatever it is on this canvas that they can share with people anywhere in the world because we'll have our, we'll have our CCTV, also wonderful show down there. And they'll film everything for us in the exit Juneteenth until you have somebody there as well. And I'm so excited because I love people and I just love to see what people, ideas are. Give me an opportunity to showcase their ideas and their talents on something like these are, these are tops that we're going to use. We're probably going to be there for a year and then next Juneteenth we're going to do it again. So with that, I'd like to thank CEDO Community Economic Development Office for giving us so wonderful an opportunity to be able to do this hard down here. And I'd also like to thank OK OK Marketing, my friend Lewis Caldron who, who's given us an opportunity to be able to showcase, to do this at Juneteenth. Yeah, so yeah, Lewis has really opened the door for us to participate in that space. And I think it's really allowed these art projects to be a type of dialogue in itself, like a living dialogue. You know, it's, it's community participation. It's, it's, we're hoping to have these, each of these murals have different visions or depictions of community. You know, in general, you know, maybe the center, center mural we're thinking is like what is the community and the presence and the murals on the side might be different interpretations of past experiences with community. You know, I mean, that's one, that's one way that we're thinking about working with artists to do that, but it really is a conversation between the artists and the community and the city as well about how those, how those murals get put together. I think it's a really incredible project to see that, those, those different perspectives all coming together into one artistic creation. You know, so sorry for jumping in there. I just thought, I'm just very excited about that. I am too. I'm just wondering if that sound is going to mess up our show. Yeah, we should pause for a second. Pause for a second. I don't know if I should just keep going what you were saying. You know, we're good to go again. We're good to go. Okay. Yeah, no. So as I was saying, just the idea that this art project is a community project itself, a community dialogue that lives in the memory of the art piece and that can stay right there next to the Moran frame. Anyone that paints on it can come and check it out throughout the year and everyone that couldn't participate could still see what happened, you know, and I find that to be really special, especially with it being connected to this dialogue that we're having after. So look how wonderful is it to have, to have art down on a waterfront right there on the beautiful Lake Champlain. Wow. You know, you go out to the fishing pier and you can go to the savings center. You can go to, you know, to Skate Park, Skate Park, any way you skate park, Adol Park, and really enjoy some of the things Bronson have to offer to the world. Yeah. You know, this is one of the highlights. If you look at, if you were in anywhere in the world and you're looking at Bronson from our, the highlights is you're going to see the Lake Front, the Skate Park, Parks and Recs, Battery Park, one beautiful battery park where we are today. Yeah. And you know, the Waterfront Park, there's going to be the highlights of reasons for you to come to Bronson. Yeah. And this is what our art piece is going to be right there by the Moran frame. And the Moran frame is already a highlight that they showcase through their social media about Bronson. Absolutely. And now it's going to be our piece that's going to be there. Something to come see. And it's, you know, about the Moran frame, this is what made, like, you know, that's where the project really started was with the Moran frame and conversations with the city about how we can have this art project here. And there was a lot of discussion about, you know, what the Moran frame means for the community. Right. That's been a long conversation, right? You know, how do we deal with old industrial buildings? What do we do with brown sites? And how do we clean them up? And how do we make them environmentally friendly? And what can we do to integrate those spaces and make them community spaces again? And there's a lot of talk about how the Moran frame and the way that space will be used is going to be changing on a yearly basis well. And there's a lot of conversation from the friends of the frame, a nonprofit that supports the development and management of the Moran frame. They've talked a lot about how they want to try and have a lot of community input as to how they cultivate that space every year and the way that that space gets used within the community. And so it really does solidify this conversation about community wealth development and that has been brewing around all these projects. And I think it will be really great to incorporate those kinds of things into the dialogue. And so, you know, Zach, friends of the frame, is an incredible guy. He's got input swings down on the Moran frame. He's doing movie nights. I'm going to come and enjoy with everyone. And so they got lights on the Moran frame, you know, so you can, you know, cool lights that broke to see the arc operate. How wonderful is that? And like an art piece is going to be like, can you imagine how many people is going to look at that business that's come from a community of Chidney County, primarily Brompton residents, but definitely Chidney County because last year I don't know how many thousands of people showed up to Juneteenth event in Roseville Park. I was there. Wow. So many people. And so now they're going to be all down around Chichew, all around Brompton, all in City Hall Park is going to be packed. Our area is going to be incredibly full because people are going to want to put art on our canvas to go on the waterfront. And so I'm so excited about it and the opportunity to be able to put art down there that's really going to be created by our community and definitely, Daniel, that definitely is called community wealth for real. There's no doubt about that because all community members, community societies, community people, this community. And what makes it so rich, I would say, is the diversity of perspectives and cultures that are present, right? You know, it's really we're trying to bring in as much diversity from different perspectives as we can to shape this space, right? And that's what I call building strength through diversity, right? That's an opportunity for the community as a whole to really see these varying voices and collective inputs that shows just how rich we are in that diversity here in Burlington. And I really appreciate that. I think that, you know, when we talked about what wealth is, it is the opportunity to share in many different spaces, in many different experiences, the opportunity to engage with many different kinds of things. And that's, you know, it's wonderful to see how much diversity we can pull into this dialogue and into this art project and have it involved in so many different community spaces all at the same time. That's community wealth for me. That's the starting ground of really creating a common interest that creates shared value for many different groups in the community. Everyone is benefiting from that. And Juneteenth, you know, the freedom of slavery, man, how big is that? You know, it's definitely, as Ken would say, it's a racial equity, inclusion and belonging. It's definitely, that's what it is, it's diversity, equity and inclusion. Absolutely. It's justice, equity, diversity and inclusion. And that's what it's all about. And so it's a happy, incredible moment for people, my ancestors, and people who look like me to celebrate. And so as you said, Daniels brought the diversity and equity and inclusion, people, ethnicities, cultural, diverse cultures. It's so diverse, you know what I mean? It's like, so, very diverse, you know, and Manuski, they're right there, the neighbors, it's highly number two, the most diverse, culturally diverse, with new Americans. And so they are all be present, everybody be present, okay, where you come around the world. And they have an opportunity to share this. They have an opportunity to share. And it's all about everybody, you know, because everybody will be out here to celebrate Juneteenth, you know, freedom from slavery. And we're so happy, you know, that's on Juneteenth, right? Yeah, so Juneteenth is not, you know, June 19th, it's the actual holiday, but I think that the city of Burlington and diversity, equity, inclusion, and belonging committee have chosen to actually celebrate Juneteenth on the 17th, which is a Saturday, just making it more inclusive and accessible to folks in the community. And so that's where the art project will be. And that's, that's where, you know, we can really, you know, see as many folks within the community as possible. And then the dialogue, like we said, is happening June 25th. And it's going to be at Arts So Wonderful in the University Mall, Bruce's new art gallery there. And that's where we'll be holding the dialogue from 10 to two. It'll probably be a little bit shorter than that, but if you're willing to come and would like to come, we are happy to have you in the space. Plus, just know that it's our next target. It's 8,000 square feet. This is enough room for everybody. The University Mall have ample parking. You can, you know, it's easily to assess. You can, you know, it's easy if you can walk from right to one straight door to the IHOP doors and come right in our space. And we're going to have so many fresh men's and different things for you to enjoy. Now let's talk about, as we see past June 25th, what it seemed, what it was going to look like, because this is called, I call this Daniel dialogue. So what is Daniel dialogue will look like after June 25th? What are we hopeful for? What is our agenda right now for the 22nd? Well, yeah, no. So as you and I have talked a lot about, you know, it's really challenging to have a short dialogue. You know, if you think about trying to give everyone space to talk, and if there's 30 people there, give everyone a two minute introduction, that's an hour just for everyone to introduce themselves to each other. And so it takes time and it takes space to really have a rich dialogue. And that means we have to kind of make sure that the numbers are at a level where people can really feel like they're participating and contributing to that space in a meaningful way, right? So this is to say, you know, to go back to this notion of building strength through diversity and having that diversity of thought, diversity of experience, diversity of culture, diversity of identity all coming into that space, there's no way we could do that in just one single dialogue. Right? And so the hope is to actually be holding dialogues on community over the next year that can really capture the richness of all the different perspectives that are present here in Vermont in a variety of different locations, right? You know, maybe we always hold the dialogue. It aren't so wonderful. It's a neutral space. And we can always be incorporating, you know, some elements of artistic expression about what are the findings that are coming out of those dialogues? And that would be contingent on the folks that participate. But you know, it's just a great opportunity for us as a community to reflect on how challenging COVID was and the pandemic was to our capacity to be a community with each other. It really challenged a lot of our notions of how we can be together in community. And it forced us to grow and to change our perceptions of community into a lot of digital spaces. I mean, I think Zoomland is here to stay for better or worse. But you know, that's a part of community now too. And how do we reconcile that, you know? So there's some healing that I think needs to go in there. And there's also some community rebuilding that might need to take place now that we can be with each other in person again. And I think these dialogues are a great opportunity to do that, to find out, you know, what community means to us as a whole and reflect on how that has changed through COVID and how we're going to be able to move forward together afterwards. And I love, you know, here in Rary Park, you know, I'm here the first hope we keep hope they are on our show. Also Daniel, so the interactive pieces, there's like, okay, come out the classroom, let's go down to the waterfront and install this Dagon mural on the canvas around the incredible location in the waterfront next to the Grand Frank. You know, so I'm thinking, wow, we know we got to continue to do that. Yeah, some kind of engagement and then coming out of the classroom, not really the classroom, because we all learned, everybody's learning from everybody, and come out in the beautiful environment in Vermont here and figure out what else can we do. So what if you're and it was just probably going to be a collective idea or suggestion of what we do, but what do you think could be next time, next thing we could do when we, you know, what could we do when we come out of the classroom to do, because this was, is that two hours? Yeah, it's about two hours to go and install the piece and have some lunch together and have some more casual conversation with each other, right? Because I would imagine a lot of the folks participating may not know each other or may want to just kind of process and reflect on what we talked about, right? So I think having an art piece or having some kind of community engagement piece and active element to it makes a lot of sense, and that takes time too to get everyone there and to participate in that way, but you know, for this, I think it makes a lot of sense. We're hoping to have some muralists in the dialogue with us and, you know, because the art piece, this really is, like we're trying to create something that reflects as much of the community as possible and, you know, what the street art here in Burlington really reflects, you know, this notion of trying to make this urban space as much for everyone as we can. I've heard it is important to a lot of folks and I think that having that kind of art reflected in the community and demonstrating how it can be present in a part of the community in a meaningful way that others can appreciate makes a lot of sense, and so having those voices as a part of the dialogue as well. In fact, we could have dialogue centered on various groups in the future that really dig into certain perspectives or certain ideas, but I honestly haven't given much thought about what the next dialogue will look like other than trying to make sure that we get the structure right this time and that we can use this framework that we are building to replicate this idea in the future, right? And the hope is that, you know, each dialogue will be something of an organic process. It will be, you know, I honestly believe that a good dialogue is going to be always framed around the participants that are going to be there and the general themes or discussions that we're trying to focus on, and that allows us to be a little more intentional about the questions that we're asking participants while they're here with us in dialogue, right? And so I know one of the things that you're not discussing, we discuss a lot of things about the dialogues, is getting like, everybody should be a part of the dialogue, you know, community welfare dialogues, but definitely people who are working with people, like banks, like Chamber of Commerce, hospitality, business industry, business industry, like business period, social services, all should be able to sit and talk about what they feel like, you know, if I was, if I could, or if I would, if I should, what would it be? And let's try to make it, and the people who are meant to that ideas, let's make it, let's just do something, right? And just absolutely well, but that's that's a tricky part about dialogues though, right? You know, because in the dialogue, we're not trying to plan on what to do next, that's that happened outside of dialogue. In the dialogue itself, the whole purpose is to just gain understanding, just seek understanding. And, you know, those groups that you just talked about are a type of diversity as well. You know, a banker's perspective versus a social service, you know, perspective versus a restaurant perspective versus, you know, the Chamber of Commerce perspective, each of those folks are from radically different vantage points in our community. And when you bring those vantage points together, when you bring an opportunity for folks like that to speak across boundaries, across sectors, someone from the nonprofit sector, someone from, you know, some regular community citizens that are active and that want to be involved in this kind of stuff, artists, poets, writers, you know, there's so many different perspectives that can be had on what community is. And that's what we're reaching for because, you know, each of us can carry that perspective, that understanding of what we think community is individually. But when you take that and you put it all into one room together, every time we get to mix up who's in the room, a new layer of understanding will be developed. Yes. And so, this is an example, I hear you talking, like, I understand banks, there's just banks or anything, but they have this piece called social responsible banking. And so, and when I think about a lot of banks use that, we're social responsible bank, we're social responsible banking. And so, I still don't know what that means. You know what I mean? So, you know, but, you know, I think if maybe you do. Yeah. So, what I'm trying to say, I'm not picking on the banks or nothing, but I'm thinking that how wonderful if they deal with the community, if they can go to some, go through our community welfare dialogue, Daniel's dialogue, and really put together a social responsible, real, I don't know. Yeah. And the same, and one other thing, too, for you guys to try and say, like the police department, God, I still don't know, vibrate or for, I'll say police, fair and partial policing, you know, and they get all this policy. And really, what is fair and partial police department, you know what I'm saying? You know, it's got to include the individuals, people, the community. So, really, I think that, and I don't think they get that fair and partial policing from, like, all the officers sitting and talking about what they think should be fair and partial. Absolutely. Fair and partial. So, but I think they should. Yeah. You know what I mean? I would agree. So, so, what do you think, what do social responsible banking mean? Yeah, no, it's a big question. I think that, you know, I've looked a lot at corporate social responsibility and social responsible banking. I haven't heard that. But corporate social responsibility in general, you know, this notion that, you know, the private sector has an impact on our community, the private sector has things directly in our community in very powerful ways, right? And therefore, I think the general argument goes that, you know, if that impact and influence is present, then there's a responsibility involved as well for that impact, for the kind of impact that businesses make. There's a really great gentleman, his name is Michael Porter. He talks a lot about shared value and collective impact and how businesses and banks and and other community sectors, nonprofits, the public sector can participate together in community to build a collective impact that actually drives the purpose of each individual organization forward through shared value, right? So, and that that word purpose, that's a really important thing to pay attention to. I think what you're talking about when you have a corporate social responsibility plan or an ESG plan, an environment social and governance plan, this is new language that's also coming out in this area, what you're really saying is you need to be able to identify the purpose of your business in community. You know, what is your purpose as a business in the community that you're part of and what kind of impact do you want to create with your business? You know, this is a this is kind of a new type of thinking for businesses and for nonprofits and for public sector spaces. Usually, nonprofits are very centered on a mission driven type of focus. They have a vision and a mission. There's values present in nonprofit culture on a regular basis, but not as present in the private sector with businesses. You know, when we look at poor profit businesses, the purpose for a long time has been limited to just making more money for shareholders. And although making money for shareholders does need to be a part of business, profit does need to be made in order for a business to be sustainable that I have no arguments with, but I don't think that that needs to be the only purpose for a business. I think that businesses have a huge opportunity to participate in social and environmental spaces to solve some of the biggest problems that we're dealing with as a town, a city, a state, a country, and across the world as a whole. And so, you know, that starts with dialogue. That starts with being able to elevate one's own understanding about how they engage in the space around different subjects so that they can develop that purpose outside of dialogue, right? They can take the understanding that they've gained, you know, if we hold the dialogue about community and we have those various diverse perspectives on what community means in different lights, you know, what is community safety for the police, right? You know, what is the purpose of the police department and how does that fold into the way that communities can engage with police in positive, healthy ways, right? And vice versa, you know? I think that that's not a process, again, to say this is what should be done and this is what ought to be done, but just an opportunity to sit down together and seek understanding, right? And from that understanding, then purpose can be derived in a way that makes sense for the whole community. And that's really what dialogue is about. So I just want to thank, I want to tell you, say one more time that our so wonderful gallery and performing center is located at the University Malls. The new location is next to the target across the high house. You won't be able to miss it. It used to be the Sovereign to the Library, you know, so we're very happy that it's open now. It's only been open for a couple of days and we want artists to come in and put the artist's art in there. We are all over the details with you once you decide that you want to do that. You can email me at artssowonderfulatgmail.com. A-R-T-S. So wonderful at gmail.com. Bruce Wilson. And we're looking for musicians as well, because we have a performing stage, a nice performing stage. And that's going to be a big highlight. Open mic, poetry slams, rock shows, hip-hop shows. From our youth, Symphony Orchestra is going to perform here. And so I'm looking for all type of genres and medias and art. Everybody's welcome. You know, it's not really hard to get involved with us. You just know, we have a little of my director, Alondra Gillette-Questa. They got a little artist agreement. They say that your art is in our space. This is many pieces. This is what, you know, what it costs your art, that we are insured. And so as a basic, this is the artist agreement that we have if you will fill out. And that's it. We didn't charge you nothing to hang your art. We choose your art and we charge you nothing to hang your art. And we actually pay you 70. Well, you pay us 30%. You make 70%. And so we want to be fair to artists and musicians around anywhere, primarily in Burma and Burma. Because, you know, we want to give you opportunities to do what you do. We have over 50 awards and we've done over 700 events in the state of Burma. And so we have over 60% of the murals in Burma too. You know, we have Missing Alden, Missing Rowland. We create art so much like you, Foxes. I know you've seen some art stuff. And so we supply paints, you know, do everything we can that gives you a lot of work. Because for me, what I want you to do is continue to work in your craft with music and arts and help our spaces have positive, healthy outlets and healthy community dialogues with us. And, you know, so you know, we think you have nothing to do is hang out at Arts So Wonderful. Arts So Wonderful at gmail.com. So we thank you again for tuning in. Daniel, closes out, bro. Closes out. This has been a pleasure to meet with you, Bruce, and to be on the show and to be involved in such an incredible art project. Just one more time for anyone that's still listening and still with us. Thank you, thank you for hearing all we have to say and for being a part of this through your viewership. And we really hope that you get to participate in what we're doing on Juneteenth. The celebrations will be on June 17th, downtown Burlington. Look for us. You won't miss it. Big canvas art paces all throughout the alleyway between BCA and the City Hall. And, of course, if you have the time and the interest, we would love to have you join us for our dialogue on June 25th at Arts So Wonderful at the University Mall from 10 to 2 o'clock. It's all free. It's all free. We will set some donations, but it's all free. So don't worry about costs. You know, don't worry about costs. We just want your mind, your body, and your soul. So thank you for tuning in to Arts So Wonderful. See you next time.