 Do you think cutting heads off is okay? It doesn't matter what I think, I think it is okay. Why? Because it is, that's it. Okay, so we've got, that's Melbourne City there. We're going to South Melbourne to the supermarket there and we're going to go talk to the public about what we just saw at the gas chambers over there at Diamond Valley Port, so let's do it. Yeah, so we've just been to a slaughterhouse to see the pigs being, you know, go to their death for an unjustifiable reason when we have options like this. You know, just the burrito, some beans and rice, a bit of vegan chicken. Not every place has vegan chicken, but you're still going to get your guacamole, beans and rice and some vegetables around the rat. What's the big deal? Why would you fund the horrific cruelty and abuse of animals when you can just have this? We're out here in front of Coles and South Melbourne and we've got some independent animal rights activists here showing people, as they're walking into the supermarket, you know, what happens to animals so they can eat their body parts and buy products and milk and eggs and stuff. Supermarket's where it all goes down. It's just where consumers either choose to be cruel or can choose to liberate animals from, you know, their exploitation. I remember the vegan easy booklets. That's what we first used to hand out back in the days when I first started. Thank you for getting us this way. What's with the animal abuse justification, mate? We're the dominant species. I'll throw you in the ocean with a shark. I've actually said that in a debate about being the apex predator. And I've said, we'll throw you in the ocean with a shark and see how much of an apex predator you are. So he basically used my line of... He basically answered his own justification with a vegan response in one sentence, didn't he? How ridiculous. His son looked at the screen there. I said, that's what happens to animals so we can eat their body parts. And he kind of looked over at his son, like, yep, yep. Mate, are you going to tell them mate, or do we have to? Yeah. Security's here. Do you guys have permission from the centre management to put the stuff here? Yeah, we're allowed to do it. Yeah, it's public land here. No, it's in front of the private property, mate. It's in front, but this is public land here. Okay. Yeah. How long are you guys going to be here? Till the world goes vegan. We wouldn't be here if people weren't buying animal products. Gas chambering pigs. That's why we're here. We'll just have the gas chambers in Diamond Valley pork at Leviton in Victoria here. We don't want people to buy this. Yeah. So when people stop buying these products and stop putting animals in these places, we won't be here. We'll do something else for a job. We're going to stop buying in a couple of hours or a few hours. Well, maybe you might. I don't... You don't need animals? I'm a vegan, mate. You're a vegan? Vegetarian, not a vegan. Why don't you call me one? I'll bet Sharon's not vegan, but... They're trying to escape, aren't they? They're trying to escape. Be vegan. It's much better. What's your opinion? What's your opinion about this? It doesn't matter what's opinion or not. It's violent. It's violent or not violent. Is it cruel? I think it is. And maybe I think it's not. This is good? It doesn't matter. I'm Jewish, so I'm not eating that bad. What do you eat? Kosher? Yes. So they cut their head off fully conscious? Evil. It's evil. You think he's evil? I don't. From the animal's perspective, it's evil. So it's okay, though. It's okay to cut someone's head off? You think cutting heads off is okay? Why? Because it is. That's it. Why don't you eat plants? You want to eat dead animals? Why don't you just eat vegan burgers? It's much better for the animals. I don't want to. Why not? Because I don't want to. So you're choosing to be cruel? Well, I'm choosing to be cruel. You're choosing to be cruel to animals? For no reason. If you can live with that, you can live with that. It's horrible. The lady was, like, disgruntled about this, disgruntled with one comment. Like, why isn't she more disgruntled about the screen than be disgruntled with us? You know, why isn't she upset about that, what they're doing to the animals? For a dinner plate, rather than being disgruntled with us, upset with us, for pointing it out. This is where people get the blame game completely wrong. Instead of blaming themselves, it's easier to just point at the activists and go, you know, you have your opinion, I have mine. Why don't you just get pissed off with that with us? You know? It's completely, what they're trying to do is shift the blame. Blame shifting. She's showing her daughter, look. She's a good parent. Not hiding that from her kid. She's an honest parent. This is just an Australian meat industry. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Meat, dairy, dairy cows go here, they get shot in the head, cut, cut up. Yeah, that's why, because I'm fully a vegetarian myself. Vegetarian. And I love animals. When you love someone, you cannot kill. Yeah. So that's why I'm against with that who is killing the hum that animals. I'm really upset myself and hurting myself. Yeah. So all the paneer, yogurt, dairy, cheese, producing the cows that produce the milk for this, they all go to this slaughterhouse to be killed. I'm just really sad and really, I'm really, it's really hard to myself. Yeah. Thank you guys, I really love you guys. Thank you very much. You're doing a good job, brother. Thanks, brother. You try the vegan alternatives for the dairy products, instead of the milk from the cows, they get slaughtered, instead of the eggs, try the plant-based, you know. I really love you guys. Thank you very much. Thanks, brother. Love you too, mate. It's only been a few hundred people come past already. It's like they're in a vortex of vegan activists and they have to walk through it. Like there's only one way and it's through us. You're either getting a pamphlet or getting a face full of slaughterhouse footage. Well, what do they do worse than stab animals in the throat for burger? But they do it in China, man. I'm a vegetarian, don't start. They murder animals for dairy, too. You know that, eh? Yeah, well, they fucking put people in cancer, bro. What, here in Australia? No, in China. No, I'm talking about here in Australia. There's slaughterhouses for animals, not for humans. I know, man. So you tell me it's worth? There's a lot of better activism to do. Why? Why? You've got rights here. What about things? You've got rights here. Do animals have rights here? Look, listen, man, I don't eat animals. I don't eat animal products. You eat animal products. They get exploited and killed for dairy and eggs, too. Oh, man, I don't drink milk either, bro. I'm basically a vegan. You're basically a vegan. Yeah. Okay, then why do you oppose us speaking up for the animals? I don't. Then why are you opposing? Why are you going, oh, I should speak up for humans first, like before animals. Humans got rights here. Oh, yeah. Humans, are you suffering? Are you suffering here? I'm always suffering. You're looked after. I'm always suffering. If he was on a slaughterhouse truck, I'd be speaking up for him as well. Like, when people say they're vegetarian, sometimes I don't really feel that they're being honest, usually. But they could be. They could well and truly be a vegetarian. Sometimes I feel like it's just a way of, like, avoiding the chat about animal rights. But obviously, vegetarians sometimes feel that they're in this comfort zone of they're doing enough. So then when we start pointing out the eggs in the dairy that they're still attached to, they'll have the exact same defensive response as someone who doesn't want to let go of meat. Sometimes vegetarians are actually harder because they're in more of a comfort zone. They feel like, you know, lead me alone, at least I'm doing this. But most of the horrific cruelty and violence and murder happens in the eggs and dairy industry anyway. It's just like, you can't oppose one and not oppose the others. Which makes no sense. Because all you're doing is you're displacing the flesh for eggs and dairy, which is... No, it's fine. It's a product of exactly the same thing in every way. Or the organiser. Not really crazy. Yeah, okay. Was that the five-day vigil? No, I worked... I think I worked at some of the five-day one, which was during the day. Yeah. Were you there for that? I do recall one point that was when the owner of that business started cooking your barbecue. Were you there on that day? I wasn't there on that day. I was on there the fourth or fifth day. Okay. Apparently, a lot of the policemen were affected by that day because they had to spend a lot of time at the slaughterhouse. Oh, I thought it would be a different one. Certainly, when I was there, there weren't any... Do you mean affected as in seeing the pigs or the trucks? Yeah, because I was there for like... A lot of the police were there for five days in a row, seeing 20 trucks full of pigs and smelling the feces and hearing the pigs screaming. I was going to record it, which gate the trucks got brought in. Have you seen from inside there? Oh, God. This is actually inside the chamber in Labyrinthine. Yeah. Have you seen that? No, I'm not interested in that. No, really? I was wondering why you're not interested in seeing the pigs slaughter if you eat them. I'm not here to engage in a conversation about what you're protesting about. I'm here to make sure... I mean, like, in terms of, like, a consumer of pork products. So, again, we're getting around in circles. I'm not here to engage in a conversation about what you're protesting about. Yeah. I'm not. Engage in that conversation. Yeah, yeah. All right. It's just interesting how you're not interested where the food comes from, though, if you put it in your mouth. You know what I mean? And I know you don't have to respond, but it's just... I'd be interested in where my food comes from. And if they'd say they don't want to engage with you about a conversation, are you still trying to force that conversation with people? That's when we might have issues with people. No, not at all. Not at all. Not forcing anything. No, it's just... I was just wondering. Because some police do engage in it. It's just a personal idea of, like... No, so, again... Yeah. It's going round the circle. Like, I'm not being aggressive or forcing anything. I just thought, you know... Because you've been to the slaughterhouse before and a lot of people, police were affected by it. Again, we're going round the circles. I told you I'm not going to engage in it. Yeah, okay. But we don't have to, yeah. Just checking. I was just double-checking. And triple-checking and quadruple-checking and however many times do you want to... Because sometimes they do twice and then they go, oh, yeah, actually, you know. No hard feelings, Matt. No, that's all right. Just giving a try. I understand that you are here and you've got, you know, you have an interest in whatever the topic is, specifically. Animals being murdered for food, yeah. Horrible. That's your thing. That's entirely your right to be here protesting about that. Yeah. And I wouldn't say that I'm an aggressive protester right now or in your face and just having a discussion. But if people don't want to engage with you... They can walk away and just say, no, thank you, mate. See you later. And I'll go, okay, no worries. But then, what I'm saying is you're not willing to respect them saying they have to walk away from you? They're just standing here and they're walking past. I'm not going to chase them down the road or anything, you know. Then they'll be harassment or something like that. No, that's what I swear I'm going with. You just keep asking the same question. I get concerned if people are ringing out triple O when I'm not here, saying that people are getting up in their faces. They're at the police station that is quite literally two-optimated off that way. So there's people that are on their way to a front home and there's some things that go... We could say, hey, there's some animals being abused down the road at Laverton. Can you help us out? If you want, you can ring triple O with that job if that's what you want to do. It's all legally sanctioned, isn't it? So you'd be on the team of the... You'd just be doing your job protecting the corporation like you have to, so... You wouldn't have any personal power over that. So, yeah, it's kind of upsetting that, you know, pigs suffer and die in a gas chamber and we're getting kind of getting policed about talking to people about it, but we're not really committing the violence, you know. We're just trying to talk to people about it. Nothing ends on the matter. Ah, I understand. He was interested. He just didn't want to engage. Yeah. Maybe, you know what I reckon? Usually police officers always watch it. I think that he was too, like, emotional to watch it or he didn't want to become emotional. He seemed like a really... a guy who really has this real big shield over him. Like this peppy positive attitude, da-da-da-da-da. But then confronting with something like that, I don't think he would do very well confronting his emotion like that. You're not trying to offend me. What you're trying to do is engage people with a conversation. I understand. I'm really interested in your perspective, that's all. I know. As I've explained... I know. I've heard it multiple times. How long did your screen last for? Three hours. I think they said about an hour. I've got a good battery on it. Is it like a caravan that runs on a 12-volt? You respect your rights. I appreciate that. It's good living in a democracy. Certainly. That's the joys of it. Enjoy your afternoon. Thank you. But you know what I found funny is that he would ask us technical things about the TV. Which is engaging. But he won't engage in the topic of the animals on the screen. But it'll engage in the screen. Which is interesting because he was engaging. So he contradicts himself there. Either don't engage at all. But he's picking and choosing what he will engage in. True. However someone reacts, you cannot dictate what they're going to do in the coming months. You know? I think a reaction is better than no reaction. For sure. A positive reaction doesn't even mean they're going to change. They could just be telling you what you want to hear. It's really hard to gauge. But stopping and having a debate usually is a good sign. Because we win the debate.