 All right, we're live Sarah testing out the holiday cheer flavor kombucha, Sarah. Oh Tastes like oh it I I don't know what it tastes like doesn't taste bad It was not a disgusted oh It's somewhat pine needley. So it's not like peppermint. It's more like a pine. No, it's not peppermint at all I don't think it would peppermint with the kombucha under tone Pine nuts. Is that what pine nuts pine meep? So is it like drinking a fermented tree fermented pine needles? Hmm Well, there is a tea you can make with pine needles. I don't like it. I really thought this is gonna be super gross It's not it actually wait if you thought it was gonna be super gross. Why did you buy it? Hmm That's a good show you guys Did this all for you, okay, no festive Happy Christmas Wouldn't get it again, but I don't hate it You know the one thing I miss that I cannot find down here for the life of me is fig newman's What like Like no, they are the Bay Area, so I thought they would be easy to find down here. They're really hard to find I'll buy you some I mean I May not a whole foods Checked Whole Foods checked the Rouse Checked the only place I found to believe it or not was Walmart That's weird. I know order them on Amazon. Yeah, but I was just like We should be able just to go to a store and pull they sell Newman O's Right this will be but not to be new man's not the fig new man's Maybe maybe that's a weird That's a weird valley thing You valley people with your fig Newman prejudices. I Love fig new man's They're so good. They're so good like why wouldn't you ever get them and I will try it eating just like a regular Fig Newton and it's like it's not the same. It's just not as tasty and it's kind of what kind of Processy tasting I'm sure to Bisco hates me now Big target on me I used to buy fig new man's but I need them in like a day, so I had to stop I Basically just keep things out of my house Me too no more ice cream no more Yeah, that's pretty much it that was the thing I had to be like you can't have this in your house anymore The other day as I was replenishing my wheat then stock The corner store only had low sodium wheat then Well, that's not good That's healthy for you Not what I was wondering with low sodium foods Could you just like dip it in salt again and get it back to what it was supposed like? Yeah, I guess but it's This is salt them with a salt shaker, then you kind of got to get them wet with the salt adheres, and it's a whole thing What about soy sauce On these things I mean as soy and soy byproducts and salt. I'm sure that's very very bad All right, ready check I What's that Veronica? No, but hear me. I can hear you. I can now I'm cranking up your There's a gating effect on you today go ahead and say something Veronica go ahead and say something. Oh, she's doing something else. Oh She can't even hear us. I think she can't she can hear us. No, she just said she's selling me in slack She can't even hear us. Oh heck Ghost in the machine It was okay before Now I hear I hear a sigh Hear me it's just like in and out and apparently it keeps gating me somehow Well, what's happening is if one of us is talking we don't hear you. Yeah But if we give you space to talk we hear you fine kind of do that, right? It's fine. You don't need me We do You have no idea how much we do you've gone this far All right, fine. We'll just try it. I guess whatever. All right Here we go Where's my line up? There we go three two Daily Tech news show is powered by you to find out more head to Daily Tech news show comm slash support This is the Daily Tech news for Monday December 18th 2017 from DT Ness headquarters in Los Angeles on Tom Merritt And from studio feline where it's kind of chilly today. I'm Sarah Lane and I'm Veronica Delmont in sunny and warm San Francisco And in sunny and warm not San Francisco is Roger Chang our producer Hello, everyone. It is both sunny and warm Veronica. How did San Francisco get sunny and warm? Oh because it's winter Pretty much pretty much. Let's start today's Topics with a few tech things you should know Facebook has begun De-prioritizing posts in the news feed the kind of posts that ask users to like or share or comment in an attempt to gain the algorithm And get more views Publishers or pages who continue to use this tactic could see all of their posts De-prioritized we are going to talk about this a little bit more and our main topic in just a few Reddit announces changes to its Android and iOS apps including a beta test of user-to-user chat What possibly go wrong? There's also a theater mode for images and videos live comments and new mod functions Including a mobile version of the desktop mod queue Business Insider reports Apple's AirPods are running out of stock In fact, if you order from the Apple store you get a January ship date There's a few other places where you can might be able to get them by Christmas or at least by the end of December But eBay sellers are even listing the hundred fifty nine dollar AirPods at two hundred dollars or more Yeah, all right, let's get into some more top stories kick us off Veronica Twitter has begun its new policies to combat unwelcome content on its platform Images Twitter deeps hateful will come with a morning in posts and are banned from use in profile photos Twitter says it will shut down accounts affiliated with non-governmental groups that promote violence against villains and Ban user names that constitute a violent threat or racial slur. It will remove posts that it thinks also celebrate violence So I mean it's Twitter's platform They get to decide this sort of thing and they're making steps to say we want to keep this sort of content off the platform And we're doing it starting today the profile avatar in particular is a way to try to shut down what they consider to loophole I think Well, it's yeah, I mean the whole thing about profile photos is if you If you take steps to keep the you know, certain people blocked and certain types of content out of your app replies and all that stuff It doesn't really solve the problem of profile photos, which are very front and center No matter what kind of access you have to someone else's account. So You know, I get it There do seem to be some exceptions with Twitter's new rules, which upsets everybody But everything Twitter does upsets everybody these days true Plus I don't have a ton of confidence in Twitter's ability to block stuff because I get stuff blocked all the time. That's not Offensive, you know, they previously were trying to block sensitive kind. I would constantly have the history lovers club For reasons I could never fathom I would look I would un you know I'd choose to like okay Show me the sensitive content and you know be a picture of two movie stars from the 1950s walking down the street like I Wonder about the refinements of that And then that also means like okay if you're showing me a World War two photo that legitimately has a historic Nazi flag in it Is this gonna block that because that shouldn't be blocked that the so I wonder just how fine-tuned these are gonna be You know, and I also I use tweet bot which is obviously third-party app. It's not an official Twitter app So I know my experience is You know specific to tweet bot and has been for a few years, but you know also block somebody but if that person is In a Twitter canoe meaning a you know, sort of a group Situation with me and a bunch of other people that person will show up in my mentions Like to the point where sometimes I'm like, oh, what's what's going on here? No, I feel like they said either they had addressed or we're going to address that very thing Recently, maybe it hasn't pushed out yet. I don't know. Yeah. Well again using a third-party app So my your your mileage may vary. It's true The government of France has filed a complaint with the Paris Commerce Court against Amazon for abusing its dominant market position with suppliers The complaint asked for a fine of 10 million euros for Amazon's ability to change contract terms or suspend contracts Unilaterally with more than 10,000 French companies. Yeah, a couple themes playing out here. One is Amazon Joining the list of tech companies in trouble with Europe Or European countries for their for their practices and their dominant market position another is is Amazon Sort of following in a little bit of an older footstep Roger You mentioned the idea that they're a little bit like Walmart now and that they they control so much of the system that they They sometimes turn people off. Well, I mean There are some parallels in the way that because when Walmart came on the scene they could demand a Certain level of service from suppliers. They could say, you know, I'm not gonna buy from you And because we buy so much we can demand this from you You know, you can only make 10% you know on whatever you sell instead of the normal 15 to 20% Amazon is in the position to do the same thing because they are such a huge Overwhelming force that you know not to be able to sell on the Amazon is detrimental for for many for many suppliers And so they'll just say fine, you know, we'll play your game is least You know, we'll be able to sell and if we don't make as much per Unit per sale. We'll make it up in volume. And so I mean it definitely France sees An issue with this because you you and unfairly rightly or wrongly push out competitors because you are just such a large force to be in the market space that you can demand those kinds of Special perks. Yeah All right, Norway's opera software ASA Has changed its name to Othello Corporation ASA now. This is gonna get a little confusing But opera software ASA was a different company than opera software AS Opera software AS makes the opera browsers That's the opera software that was bought by Goldenbrick capital private equity fund Which is a a Chinese consortium of investors So to sum up Othello is now the name of the company that does not make the opera browsers And the only company now called opera software is the company that does make the opera browsers Which ends up being a little more useful. You're right Tom. That was confusing. Yeah But hey now we know when we say opera we mean the opera browser people which That was not a true there for a while You know, I I must admit when I hear opera I think of the opera browser. That's yeah, that's the Thing I think of the university computer science grad Nathan Gitter has created a game for the iPhone 10 called Rainbow kind of unique because you control a smiley across a rainbow while dodging other emoji But you do it by raising your eyebrows to move up or frowning to move down or Expressionless to stay exactly where you are rainbow promises to only use true depth data for gameplay purposes and not to collect Your facial expressions for other things. I believe we should say rain brow Because it's eyebrows. That's what it was It's rain brow. Yeah, I thought it was just yeah, you know, what about people who have Gotten Botox and can't play. Yeah, what are you gonna do about them? Well, I'm wondering about people, you know It is this is a very selective game Certain people will not be able to play this. I know a Long time ago used to have an intern and he he suffered from a condition where you're you know devoid of hair Would it work if you had no eyebrows like would it be able to track your brow ridge? I actually wonder though because what it's really doing is tracking expression So it's it's eyebrow raise for for up, but a frown for down And and if you may be able to do it without eyebrows, should I shave my eyebrows to test this? You know, I've been wondering that like would someone want to try that? No, no Well, I mean I get it because it's like you can raise your eyebrows, but you can't really lower You kind of do like I was playing eyebrows the frown There was a couple of times I made it go up just by kind of smiling Which probably raised my eyebrows without me realizing it But you didn't have to like, you know really do the like whoa surprise surprised expression I could not and I only played it for a couple minutes But I could I could not get it fine tuned like I would Do one eyebrow raise and the thing would shoot up like three spaces like it's really you really got to start to To fine-tune and it's weird to control with your expression Because you're used to making expressions in reaction to a game. So you have to like really become Neutral as you're playing you can't get excited Well, and I mean I have not played rainbrow So, you know full disclosure there and it probably just like a lot of snapchat filters You know depending on like the color of your hair and you know what it can detect Won't necessarily work exactly the same way for everybody and maybe not so well for certain people who have light eyebrows or no eyebrows or whatever but After the novelty wears off, I mean are we wanting to do facial exercises to play games like for a Extended period of time that sounds like a recipe for a headache. Maybe this is good good Botox recovery Like it could be a therapy Maybe something you don't do after you get Botox because you don't want to mess things up I don't think it makes why would it best things up? I don't know. I mean, why would you put Botox in your face? I start, you know exercising those muscles getting them back to normal. Maybe maybe you could tone and tie it at totem Tone and tighten your your facial skin so you can look youthful without having to resort I would argue that a lot of people think Botox does just that That's pretty much what Botox is supposed to do. Yeah This is all natural you're not right right without Botox. I get what you're saying I found the horn a natural way to tighten your skin rain brown All right, let's finish up with Volkswagen announcing Monday It plans to install 2,800 electric vehicle charging stations in 17 cities by June 2019 75% of the stations will be installed at workplaces the rest at multi-unit dwellings mostly like apartment complexes and stuff But it's interesting because we're now seeing Multiple companies not just Tesla anymore talking about putting in their own charging stations to to boost demand for electric vehicles Is all these auto manufacturers are saying that they want to increase the number of electric vehicles they're manufacturing and selling Roger you were you were talking about this before the show You were the one who brought this to my attention or our attention interesting because you know is This how car companies that want to sell EVs Get a decent market share by basically building a light infrastructure To enable people to buy their products and use them in a convenient fashion I mean it would be like starting out at the time of the automobile and building your own service stations So people would always say well, where am I gonna fill up with gasoline right? I can't go down to the barn You know notice fill up on on on the kerosene. I need it'd be great if you had to store that sold it And so they might be doing that And I'm I'm curious to know if this is something that will have to happen for widespread EV adoption, right? Sorry, I didn't I've gotten really used to seeing charging stations in well, I mean certainly not every workplace garage, but larger companies Certainly like municipal parking garages and they're always full everybody's always using them It's it's become something that you expect to be like well Maybe there's like a EV parking space that I can use, you know where you're real front and center, right? So there are lots of perks to it, but as long as it's not somehow Limited to people who are driving folks back in vehicles Well, and that's that's the thing like do they make a special plug don't let only plugs into Volkswagen's Right and you know that that kind of this starts kind of snowballing into a slippery slope up Are you going to try to vertically integrate not just your automobile? But also the the power distribution, but is that what they're doing? Well, no, but I mean it could very well Well, no, no, no, but I mean it's a special plug. That's a whole different thing We don't we don't know that that would no no, but it's it's it's definitely it's it was one of those things that Has been a concern and everyone's like, why don't you guys just? Pick pick a standard Well, but this is the way standards always go you you always have several different companies start out wanting to be the one Who has the standard because then you win the licensing game, right? So it's going to take a while for this all to shake out if that's the case I don't know that that's the case. You're just you're just speculating that I don't know that these won't interoperate No, so and it's a little bit irresponsible to speculate on that right now Um, no, it's it's it's definitely it's you're right It's definitely not something that is cemented But it is it is a concern and you know if they don't if if they do make it Widely available if Tesla if you can charge a Volkswagen off the Tesla supercharger and Vice versa that would be great. Yeah, but I have yet to see that happen So and and other things that well, we haven't seen any of these things happen So you can't say they won't either, but I hope I hope it's the way it goes. Yeah Folks if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines calm You can get it on your Amazon Echo as a flash briefing You can get it on the Google home You can get it in the anchor app and you can get it as a podcast in your favorite podcast reader at daily tech headlines calm All right, Sarah kick us off. What's going on with this Facebook stuff? All right Well, we mentioned it at the top of the show But we wanted to kind of discuss in a little bit more depth what it means for Facebook to be De-prioritizing posts in the news feed that Facebook deems spammy Kind of click baity like if you you know agree if you're a dog person like it if you're a cat person share that sort of stuff So starting Monday, it's gonna roll in a couple of a couple of couple of rollouts here Starting Monday post the Facebook says is engagement bait will be pushed down in the news feed We don't exactly know what that means But it means that Facebook is like you're just gonna see less of this in a perfect world, right now in a few weeks Publishers and pages so a lot of times that's you know a public figure or a business Will also have their posts De-prioritize if they keep utilizing this tactic and their reach will be diminished for all of their posts No, a lot of people have built up, you know pretty pretty good Facebook presences on pages So that if you're if your main reason for using Facebook is to promote yourself You definitely want to make sure that you understand the repercussions of of this change Facebook changes his algorithm all the time. So where you know, we're all aware of this especially as media entities over the years You know, everyone's kind of like, yeah, you know, you kind of got to go go where the people are but chasing the Facebook algorithm has has been a It's it's no one really knows what's going on besides the new Google SEO They don't really seem to know what's going on either. Yeah, it's a black box Recently as recently as last week actually Facebook announced an algorithm tweak that was supposed to show users more video Maybe you like that Maybe you don't but that's a tweak that Facebook is well within the rights of doing in the past It's cracked down on other types of what it considers spammy posts clickbait links that send users to websites that are full of ads or Links that you know go somewhere. That's not exactly what people thought that they were going to Now the company says Hold on if you're you know, if you're the kind of person who's using Facebook normally You're being a good citizen every once in a while Maybe you have something that you're really excited about new project. Do you want to share it? Like that's not necessarily just going to be De-prioritized in a post Facebook understands that there there's something that it calls Authentic engagements where somebody might actually have something to share and that's okay, but then the other stuff Again, you kind of have to just trust that when Facebook says our algorithm is smart enough to know the difference that that's true But you know There are all sorts of weird ways that people have tried to game Facebook over the years the most recent one And I'm sure you guys have seen this too is there's this whole wives tale And maybe it's true that if you say congratulations in a post then it'll get up top because Facebook thinks like oh Somebody had a baby or somebody got married or something like that because it's right, right? I Mean, I don't know I okay, so I want Facebook Well, first of all, I don't really read Facebook much But as a Facebook user, I'm gonna pretend that I want Facebook to cut down on the spam I don't like the companies that are like like our page We don't care if you really like it just please like it because that'll get us up to the top like that's against the way It's supposed to work the way it's supposed to work is people legitimate click on the like button because they like something and then the stuff That more people like actually rises to the top so when you get campaigns for it It throws the system out of whack So I like cutting back on the people who are purely just like all we're doing is spiking the results, right? at the same time What if I accidentally run across that by doing something Unintentional like a congratulations. Maybe I don't know about the whole congratulations things And maybe Facebook is now De-prioritizing people for misusing congratulations, and I'm just being sarcastic in a post and suddenly I get de-prioritized I mean, I guess if I'm not really trying to get to the top of the news feed. It doesn't really matter But it could cause people to wonder why no one is reacting to their posts like hey, you know I'm just a regular person. I posted something It's like nobody saw it and it's because it ran afoul of the algorithm It seems to me that Facebook is just saying listen all of the reasons that certain clickbait headlines have really You know made everybody like oh gosh the worst, you know this particular media entity is the worst because they do things this way We also want to not encourage people to use Facebook that way and Facebook You know, it's not as if this isn't a problem It definitely is and I see a lot of stuff where I'm just like it's such garbage You know like even the kind of like chain letter stuff that keeps coming around on Facebook over the years If you're really my friend, you'll send this to seven more people that kind of thing thankfully we're not friends So I'm not sending I almost I almost unfriend people if I see that if it's somebody I really don't know and I'm like Why am I getting this? I know it's usually like it's a family member. Yeah, it's an older family member I mean all the older people do it I think part of this is that Facebook is coming coming against the face that face It gets the fact that people will try to game anything any kind of system people will try to see oh, yeah Take advantage and it's one of those things that you know, you can build an algorithm but ultimately you're gonna need a human armor to kind of judge these things because You know as we as we saw Facebook's last attempt at putting in an algorithm to automate everything It doesn't always work very well. What about the work around so I know some Companies do this and they're not trying to game the system They they do polls where they have like a live result going on and and basically they say, you know Press the happy face to vote for this press the like button to vote for that And they can they could sort of run an automated poll now granted Facebook has their own polling systems Maybe you should just use that But if you don't like that polling system and you you've done this work around that's kind of cool It could be gaming the system, but it doesn't necessarily mean it's meant to and and this kind of thing will cut down on that and Sort of those things. I don't like about a closed system like Facebook. I guess There are also, you know, I I understand that Facebook is I mean, it's it it has Best engineers in the world Algorithm in many cases works well But I just don't really trust something so encompassing to really Know the sort of stuff that I Want to see and don't want to see I understand what clickbait is I understand what kind of spammy stuff is but yeah, like you were mentioning I think a couple minutes ago Roger It's like there might be a family member who does a lot of that stuff And like I don't really want my uncle to be you know De-prioritize in my news feed because I kind of know that he doesn't know any better and it's like where is that? You know, you know, Facebook doesn't know that about me Facebook doesn't know that some people might you know Be much more off-putting with these sorts of posts than others Yeah, and and maybe it's just a lack of faith in the algorithms But having seen the kinds of targeted advertising I get that are way off the mark I and knowing that Facebook is a closed system that isn't really taking cues for anything from anything Outside of Facebook other than advertising. Yeah, I don't have a lot of confidence in that All right, thanks everybody who participates in our subreddit You can submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show reddit.com and on our Facebook group We don't care if you like it or not. We're totally gonna play by the rules Facebook comm slash groups slash daily tech news show. It's all up to you Just make sure you like and share. Just be honest about it. If you like Let's move on now to the thing of the day. Let's check in with Nate Langston for text message Thanks guys this week We were joined by a mutual podcast friend Mr. Patrick Beja who came on the program to tell us more about how France is imposing a ban on cell phones in schools He helps us understand why and we talk a bit about how it could be implemented in other countries Plus with the brilliant totally not even slightly devastating and terrifying news about us net neutrality We compare how such a decision could play out in Britain in the future where our broadband market is fiercely competitive with almost two Many players that's all available now on episode 1 1 7 at tech podcast UK. Thank you, Nate Too many too many ISPs. What's that like? Sounds like a dreamland. All right. Let's check the mailbag Sarah our friend Dan Campos says Saludos DTNS team on December the 13th Uber made some changes to their terms of service that affect everywhere They offer services except the US and China now. Okay, so this is I'm already interested, right? Because I'm in the US. He says main points Uber is not responsible for guarantee of full safety of their passengers Also in the new terms of service Uber is not responsible for the risks of using online platforms number three Uber establishes itself as a technology enterprise not a transportation service And finally Uber is not responsible for any kind of damage caused by accidents or theft during the ride Dan says Okay points two and three not too surprising But the rest pretty much work against the safety of the user There are other new terms like Facebook account verification in case the user wants to pay in cash Or be more transparent about the cost of cleaning or recovering missing objects left behind But they don't affect the user as much as these I can understand that they want to determine their responsibilities But to the general public that sounds more like they're refusing any liability now Dan says cabify is their biggest competitor They have in our country. That's Mexico and after this I believe that DD Xu Xing has a good chance when they finally offered their service here However, I don't believe the terms of their service would be much different to ubers unless they actually offer some sort of passenger insurance policy and then Dan says, how would my American friends react if these changes were applied on their territory? Well, I'm reading from the uber terms of service right now for the United States And it says use of the services will The services are provided as is and as available the Uber does not guarantee the quality suitability safety or ability of third-party providers You agree that the entire risk arising out of your use of the services and any service are good requested and connection They're with remain solely with you to the maximum extent permitted under applicable law So I'm not sure what they changed from what to what But this is actually the way uber pretty much as always run They they basically have tried to say we're not a transportation service We're a technology company. We hook you up with drivers and the drivers are the responsibility of the drivers and you We're not responsible for that. They've always tried to distance themselves. So I don't think this is specific to Mexico or anywhere else I think it's probably just uber Revising its non-us services for other things and maybe these maybe these terms weren't in there before For for international use for some reason and now they're they're actually reconciling them with the way the US terms work Although I understand why uber wants to distance itself from being a transportation service I do find that that's a tough one to swallow. Yes, they're an internet company Yes, they provide a service that connects me with a driver and then I get where I want to go But those drivers are paid by uber those drivers have insurance that's covered by uber to some extent Those drivers are not unionized outside of uber. So sure you're an internet company, but you're also a transportation service Yeah, I I have I am sympathetic to ubers Underlying argument, which is we should be able to set up a service that just connects Independent drivers with riders right without having to be the driving company and that makes sense to me That's not how uber works though And I think that's kind of a couple of things you're pointing out is that uber takes more of a hand in this than they would They would like to admit that they do sometimes But hey, we asked dan to to keep us up to date on on how things are going in his market So appreciate that dan keep the emails coming feedback at daily Detectnewshow.com now you may have noticed Veronica Belmont dropped out of the conversation She was just having some technical difficulties that we couldn't get past. So unfortunately We had her at the very beginning of the show and the bandwidth just got worse You know sarah, there's there's a salon article that somebody put in our discord. I'm sorry slate article That the internet is really slow right now in parts of the country. There's just like a weird slowdown going on So we'll keep it on and I have no explanation. I have not had problems with google hangouts specifically over the last week Knock on wood, but I have had major major problems with um google docs and gmail And that's been going on for A solid week now where I have to restart chrome basically every time I want to refresh my gmail Which is I have that happen on I have that happen in one of my machines with gmail not with docs. So I feel like that's a google apps problem Uh, but what I was pointing out what I was looking at was slate Uh says that there's just kind of widespread Uh Discussion of a slowdown And so slate reached out to level three and cogent to ask if they determined the cause Of the disruptions because there's there's comcast disruptions Out there in in multiple markets including san francisco Well, I have no idea if this is at all related but since we're you know, we've got our conspiracy theories Yesterday, I did notice that my router was all out of whack And I had to reset up the whole thing the 5 gigahertz versus 2.5. It was like it was like I don't know what happened. Um, you know, wasn't the hardest thing in the world but took an hour out of my day. So something the mess Yeah, um I mean, this isn't even a conspiracy theory. If you just look at the comcast outage map Uh earlier today. Anyway, well just because I don't use comcast. I'm making it a conspiracy theory. Yeah, it's not you But maybe that explains some of uh, veronica's problem. Well, veronica. We miss you Is what I'm trying to get at. Yeah And uh, thanks to another mary for posting that article in our discord as well Hey, uh, if you want to be in the discord, uh, you can do so Lots of different ways the easiest would be to sign up for patreon It'll just show up in your servers then patreon.com slash dts And there's still time to check out the dts store if you want a hoodie or a mug We got them in there at dt at uh, I'm sorry daily tech news show dot com slash store. 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Comcast is part of it Slate is reading at reaching out to cogent in level three to find out if there's more to it than just comcast So she may be caught up in that Well, it's just so frustrating Yeah, it's always real. I mean I like if it were me it's frustrating when you're the person who's like, I don't know what's wrong I'm trying to connect. Yeah, and she's trying she was she couldn't hear us She could or could not she could not she stopped being able to hear us So she was she was fine when she first logged on we tried a couple things then she was having a hard time talking Uh with being heard and you heard that a little in her first headline where it was you know a little crackly Yeah, I was gonna see a you know a syllable here in there. Yeah After that she stopped being able to hear us so she in our slack. She was just like I can't even hear you guys so Sox Yeah But anyway, it may not have been anything she could have done anything about was kind of my point I have confidence that the next time everything will be fine We need a new generation of internet connection technology or it could just be a random outage Without titles We have twigard I guess triggered and twitter Put together it goes to the machine Tom that was confusing rain brow opera Do we need eyebrows Eyebrow low brow issues Not for the botox twitter trigger iPhones iphone x's new eyebrow raising game Text jeb says there's a major fiber cut in south carolina that he knows about but nothing else on the boards He works for he works in the industry. We should say Uh, so he he's keeping an eye on that So because she just showed us her um internet speeds and it's like really good So it wasn't that for her, huh? Maybe it was maybe it was just uh She got she got some good upload. No sh no no kidding No slowdown is what you're gonna say, right? No shoes for me It might be nice when you got internet speeds that quick Uh, well and we lost ronick is at the top followed by twigard Well, let's not call it we lost ronick Oh, no, I don't want to call the show that Um, should I shave my eyebrows? I suppose new eyebrows should I shave my eyebrows? It's pretty funny. That's kind of funny I'll do that. I mean it's It's uh, I mean It's a thing you said It is the thing I said and uh, none of you answered Well, I was sort of like I assume that meant no you shouldn't do that for the game. No, don't do that You want to like just for the experiment of I hear I know I'm sure it's an urban legend, but your eyebrows don't grow back if you shave them or they do No, no, that's complete like that makes no That would be like saying if you shave your legs, you don't have to keep shaving your legs No, if you shave your eyebrows, it uh, you you're sinful. No, if you're sinful your eyebrows don't grow back. Wait, no If you pluck your eyebrows over time There is that way, you know, and it again probably varies person to person but You know a lot of people Find that they just don't grow back bushy again if for any reason you want them to But shaving it's like that's all surface stuff. Wouldn't matter But isn't don't people pluck their eyebrows so they won't grow back bushy so it that makes sense But think about like trends over time, you know super thin eyebrows from, you know 1996 Okay. Yeah, no, I was thinking you want to have the option to have your eyebrows You're thinking with when you said bushy. I was thinking depth Like, you know growing straight out of your face, you know Well, you know and that I'm sure for some people is also come back someday or come at all You want some 3d eyebrows No, that's what I fight my eyebrows want to grow out like antenna. Just keep going straight out You know, I my eyebrows are not Uh, luckily they're dark so, um They're okay, but They're not very I don't do anything to these. This is just the way that they are But they do sometimes get long your eyebrows woke up like that They do. Yeah, like the shape is fine. But sometimes like, you know from the side I'm like, wow, that's a very long eyebrow. No eyebrow filter, right? Um, no, that's that's that's cool. Yeah, I I actually I mean, I don't I don't want to sound like I'm obsessed with my eyebrows, but I will Click I will clip them every once in a while because they get they get crazy Yeah, I've got crazy man eyebrows. That's part of the, uh, manicuring manscaping process You know, it's it's it's not unlike trimming a beard. Yes. No Here hold on decide what you want to be and then you do it if I didn't Uh, take action This is exactly what my eyebrows would look like For how it from doing Oh, it's funny. I is that just because they take the spice? I I never I'm trying to remember The he was a mentat though. I don't think he was a spice taker The mentats are humans that have ingested the spice in order to know I thought that was navigators ingested the spice not not the mental abuse it. That's the whole thing. It's like Spice these days. We got a spice problem in this country, right? Isn't it doesn't he take the juice to kind of To kind of crank out their their their thought abilities or I don't remember now Right, isn't that the whole point of the mentat? They're humans because they didn't trust machines anymore Yeah, it was a replaced. Yeah, I thought it was just training though All the spice, right? I mean, that's that's I didn't think it was uh, Hollywood works a lot of spice No, I didn't think it was a I thought I thought only the navigators were spice enhanced And like anybody else who took spice was just a drug act. Okay All the tradies he was a leader and man god He hoarded the spice melange Uh, leo a tradies of the second did What about dune cat controls the spice? Right still still something I really you know dune cat is never Dune cat is still very very good I'll ask my friend. She's super dune fanatic Yeah, I couldn't I went to the dune wiki just now and it doesn't say anything about them using the spice, but it also doesn't say anything about them not so Okay, wait a minute another j mary in In our um chat discord Says a mentets capabilities can be greatly increased by taking saffo juice But using it leads to addiction Saffo extracted from roots found on ecas and its use doubles or even triples the mentets already immense processing power Repeated use leaves a permanent cranberry colored stain on the user's lips So that's that's what you were thinking of I think That makes sense. Thank you Look at that discord coming through Guys got to get in the discord It's the new hotness For all the spice kids lived all the spice that movie will make a they're gonna i'm sure they're gonna remake it for Yeah, there's uh, there's an effort to to Make another shot at it I like the team the the uh, was it norwegian or the danish like them sci-fi version for the sci-fi network Was pretty good Oh, I don't think that's correct. Um, there was it was a bbc sci-fi Cooperation maybe it was scandinavian Look it up real quick Internet all right The miniseries in 2000 Three bar William hurt I like that one that one they went into children of dune Yeah, um Company credits milk and honey pictures new answer Dan entertainment I see york Man Do Well licks uh film production As I continue to drink my holiday cheers kombucha spice A festive probiotic tea Filled with spice. I don't know it's kind of growing on me Is it saffo juice? I just don't know what i'm What i'm tasting that is like seasonal really It does sound like they put pine needle juice in it or something Pine needle extract That was my first like oh, it's piney What is the ingredients does it say on the ingredients? I don't really know I'm on the on the label. What does it say? It's This is how you know i'm the son of a food scientist because I immediately go to the label I go to the label I got my glasses and I have to hold it really far away because that's what it feels like in my Water kombucha black tea green tea a rapper to cane juice Oh organic ginger juice Vanilla powder organic cacao powder And all spice powder So really it's probably the ginger and the allspice that are making that piney It's the allspice. Yeah, exactly vanilla Well, the ginger will give it kind of a tang to the side that's kind of Although a lot of kombucha has ginger in it already because it sort of works with that acidic Kind of fermented thing. Sure. Sure. Um Yeah, I don't know. I mean, it's fine. It's fine. I thought it was going to be a little bit more dramatic, but Did you think it would make you like laugh like Santa? No, I just thought it would be like wow. I'm drinking eggnog, but it's kombucha. You know drinking the holidays Yeah, something really like oh wow, this really tastes like Christmas like a you know pumpkin pie kombucha Oh, man, that sounds amazing. It's not that anything with pumpkin pie sounds amazing Same. Yeah, I'm not a big pumpkin pie Oh, I'll have yours then. That's great. Fine. I would rather have bread pudding You just eat it up then you take the bread pudding. I'll I actually like bread pudding, but I'll I'll take your pumpkin pie I don't know why breakfast Wonderful pumpkin pie for lunch dinner Late night snack then breakfast again Yeah, I actually had to stop for a couple years there I'd use the holidays as an excuse to buy a pumpkin pie like every couple weeks and uh that's not Not necessarily the best well, but I mean if it's during the holidays and you're doing it every couple weeks There's only a couple pies on the okay. Okay. Yeah, but Look every couple weeks. I would buy a pie. I didn't tell you how long that pie lasted The pie did not last across the entire two weeks. That's what I'm trying to say Any last words Before I stop the cast If a pie enters my home in 12 hours, there is no pie if not Fewer hours. Yeah, so I had to cut that down on my pie for Thanksgiving I used uh, I got a small pumpkin pie and I made Eileen eat some Are those your final words? I guess those are my final words. 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