 So it is appears to be seven o'clock. So we'll call the meeting to order at seven o'clock. Is there any public comment for items not on the agenda? Right. Hearing none. Are there any. Additions or changes to the agenda. All right. So let's get started. Thank you, Judy. And Barbara and Jim. You're welcome. So we wanted to talk about some town office staffing. Issues, which we're going to. Be dealing with very soon. And. Judy, would you like to. Make your announcements. I don't know if you shared. Well, I did. I sent my letter to all the select board members. Yeah, so I forwarded it. I forwarded it to Jim. Okay. Katie, I think you got a copy. I hope so. Right. Yes. I think I sent you many versions. But the most recent one was stated March 22nd. And basically. Announcing my retirement, but also going with from what I heard in our last meeting, the select board's. Preference for a. An election. So I sorted through the process that would allow that to happen. And in my letter, I have. Proposed a schedule for. Resignation, which would create a vacancy, which would be April 12th. And then I sent it to Jim. I sent it to Jim. And then being appointed as a temporary. Town clerk. In an appointed. Capacity. And then the election dates going forward. With the election being. June 30th. Yes. Thank you very much, Judy. I sent it to Jim who was going to check this double check the dates. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. And now I'm going to start with a little sequence obviously from my terms and the reason is for family changes. Somewhat unexpected. My sister moving to Ohio to take care of her new grandchild. Leaving fewer people to care for my parents who are in their 90s. And that's an increasing responsibility. And it just. Seems like the right time to do, to make this change. I mean, it's been amazing to work with. Well, respected and thought of in the community. So I know this will be a big surprise to a lot of folks in the community. We're really going to miss you, but we really appreciate your cooperation and understanding of. Helping us make a smooth transition. Thank you. And I will work hard to make sure it is as smooth as possible. We have the memo where you can call up so we can review the dates. Give me a sec to track that down. I just want to thank you while Cliff is doing that. Thank you. Obviously for your, for your service, but also for your. For coming forward and. It may, I don't, I don't want to, I don't know what your preference might have been, but the giving the select board time to have a. Process and do so in. In public discussion, because the little bit of research we did, we learned that it's really that the select board has a job to do. And we want to be open and transparent and with the public that, that we're aware of that we have a job coming up to do. And we're bringing our thought process into. And to open discussion. So thank you for being willing to participate in that. Sure. Denise, it's the timeline draft that you want to see, correct? Right. Okay. So we're all in the same cage. I believe that's the most current version. No, it's not. Okay. It's the one that's attached to the letter. Okay. Let me. My signature. Let me grab that. Okay. Okay. So it was a little more challenging coming up with the schedule than I thought. And I did consult with the secretary of state. Had them review it. They sent back corrections. And suggestions. Okay. Great. But what I submitted has been reviewed by. JP. I forget what his last name is, but he's one of the secretary of state. Election specialists. Great. Thanks for taking that extra step. There we go. There we go. There we go. I just, before we do that, Gail, I just wanted you to know, we're not going to be doing your curb cut tonight. We'll be doing it on the 12. Okay. I was kind of interested in this, this discussion too. Oh yeah, you're welcome to stay. I just wanted this. Didn't want you to have an expectation. Yeah. Well, I was hoping maybe, but anyway. I'm not going to be doing it. I'm not going to be doing it. I'm not going to be doing it. I'm not going to be doing it. I'm not going to be doing it. Judy, I'm sad to. Hear this news. Thank you, Gail. I'm sure we'll be able to find some wonderful person out there who wants to be a town clerk. All right. So your effective resignation date. Would be April 12th. And then the select board. Would appoint you. If you have any questions. If you have any questions. If there are a special. Meeting election. Just a question I'm just thinking of right now. Does there have to be any kind of public informational. Tight meeting as. In connection to this special meeting. I guess maybe that's a gym question. Denise, there does not. Have to be a public informational meeting. Held in conjunction with an election. Right. Thank you. And I just want to clarify that the. And Jim can verify or correct. That the reason I have to resign is because. There has to be a vacancy. In order for there to be an election. That's correct, Judy. And, and also another point of clarification. Is the, the idea and I think it's a good idea. To appoint Judy as the interim to fill the vacancy while we wait for an election, but that's also. There's nothing that dictates that. Step. Right. And Sharon had done some. Research. On this apparently she had a phone conversation with. Jim, I was looking for maybe an email exchange to see what. Questions were asked and the answer is given to see if there was questions that we maybe hadn't thought of. But apparently there was a phone, only a phone conversation. So. And then I circulated the memo Denise with a specific invitation that if people had questions after reading the memo, please let me know. Because there were several days between my memo. And there was no email. There was no email. And our meeting during which I could have. Looked up the answers if people had questions. So I just want to say that out loud. Okay. Thank you for clarifying that there was no email. There was no email Denise. There's often not an email and they're in the future is often not going to be emails. There can be a conversation and that is perfectly okay. All right. Moving on. I just want to make a point to step back to one thing that we. Walked over a little bit. When the, when the vacancy takes effect, the select board is obligated to appoint someone to fill the vacancy. And that appointment has to occur. The statute uses the term forthwith, which is generally. As soon as reasonably possible. So in this case, it would work well. With. In this case, it would work well. To appoint her to fill that vacancy. There's no prohibition that against filling a vacancy with someone who has resigned. So this actually will work out. Very well for the town. Okay. And the 10 days that the select board. Has. Starts. Effective April 12th. Not. Effective date of the memo to the board. That's correct. Okay. So by April 22. And I know, I know Judy's planning to post. Something on front porch forum. To everyone does the select board also. Post something on front porch forum or how does that work? So the select board by statute has 10 days to post notice of the vacancy and it has to do so in at least two public places. In the town and in or near the town clerk's office. So that is an obligation of the select board. There's no reason why Judy couldn't do it on behalf of the select board. So long as we hit those two public places and in or near the town clerk's office. Okay. I mean, we've identified, we have identified our. Normal posting patient places for agendas and things. So would we follow that same format? Yes. And I think you'd want to, you know, go. A little bit above and beyond here, but you know, I don't know what you're talking about. But I think we're going to be able to identify the nature of, of the resignation and the upcoming election and, and to generate interest in those who might be candidates. Okay. Above and beyond meaning. What, what are you thinking? You know, so maybe more than one posting in front porch forum. Just some additional advertisement of the vacancy so that folks, it might catch folks. Okay. Sure. Okay. So the first day to warn the election is May 22nd. Um, Okay. Consent petition and consent forms. By May 24th. Right. It's a really quick turnaround. That's why we want to announce it soon. Okay. So, what I'm thinking is to announce it and have a link to the website that has a lot of information about the job. And. And how, and with links to, to the, um, the form they need, the consent form that they need to submit an explanation that they don't need to have. A petition with signatures because of COVID. Okay. So. And this is, I think also a gym question. Um, is it. Is it, is it permissible? I guess is the question. Um, The Judy. Announce that she will be resigning or is there a reason it should be an intent to resign. For the date. I mean, given, so here's where my head is, given that Judy is elected by the town. And can actually change her mind. Right. Judy, there's nothing about all of this. There's a lot of reasons you wouldn't change. Right. But, but yeah, so that's my question is, is Judy announcing that she's going to resign and there will be a residency vacancy or that she intends to resign and there will likely be a vacancy. I guess that's my question. Um, She can, she can announce that she intends to resign and there will be a vacancy. That's, there's, there's nothing inappropriate about doing that. Um, it's just that the, the official timelines don't start until the date of her actual resignation. I think, I think I can write something up. And if you want to review it. Um, To kind of explain the process of why we're doing this, you know, Yeah, it might be. Should we put something on our website, a place where potential candidates could actually post kind of a, you know, their credentials or what they were, why they wanted to be. You know, what, why did they think they would be a good town clerk just for the public. To access kind of like a front porch forum. This would be a little bit more formal. You know, it would be open to anybody that ran for the slot. We should get into that. I don't know that that's the best way to use the website or the way that we should be using the website. Um, because. You know, if somebody wants to run for select board or Lister. Do we want, do we want the website to be a place where there's like. Candidate. Back and forth. I don't know. I don't even know if it's the right, you know, if it's appropriate to do that. I was just thinking in a special and in a, with a kind of a special election environment and we have limited time and limited. Ways for people to get this information together. That's, that was my thought, but I hear you. Yeah. Oh, by the way, did we introduce bill? I mean, Jim to Rick. Hi, Jim. We've, we've met before, but. We have Rick. Hello. I recall when you were on the school board. That's right. We've. Several times. Yes. Thank you. Thank you. So Jim, do you know what the guidelines are for town websites posting? Uh, something as rich. Rick has suggested. I think it's an interesting idea. I would. I would advise against doing it. Um, as. Denise pointed out if you were to do it in this instance, um, potentially you're creating a public forum, uh, for candidates to announce and advertise their candidacies in every election held by the town going forward. And I think that, um, I, I respect the need to get information out in this particular election quickly, but I don't think that you want to open up the town's website. Um, in that way. Yeah. Thank you for that. Yeah. Um, To say something. Oh yeah, go ahead. Yeah. Um, I would strongly agree with what Jim just said. Um, I don't think it's the appropriate forum. It could set, um, a problematic precedent. Um, I don't think it's the appropriate forum. Um, We do have a mechanism that we can use for that purpose, though, we can encourage people and we have done this before. I encourage people who were on the ballot to make a statement from front porch forum, introduce themselves to the community and present their credentials. Yeah. And I think, uh, That's something we can easily do. Should the need to rise. Yeah. Um, I think it would be up to each candidate to. You know, right up their own blurb. About, you know, their credentials and why they would be a town, a town clerk or, you know, whatever the position is. I have a question. Um, And then I'd like to offer to talk to people about the position. And I don't know if, um, It might be appropriate to have people come in and see. Um, I don't know if it's appropriate. I don't know if it's appropriate. I don't know if there's somebody chopping wood. I'll ask them to stop. Um, To ask them to come and kind of shout out, you know, see how the town office works. Then. Is there a limitation to how much of that we can do. If it's pre-election. Or is that just an informal. Arrangement. That would be an informal arrangement, Judy, but I don't know if it's appropriate. I don't know if it's appropriate to stop chopping wood. Hang on. Right. But I mean, if, and, and the. A piece of that would be, if you do it for one, you kind of got to do it for anybody who wants to. It seems to me that any election where a candidate is running for an office. That's not probably a typical thing. If you're running for senator or councilman or mayor. I don't think that's something that typically. You know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, the incumbent makes available to candidates who are running to replace them. Sorry. Yeah, I hear what you're saying, Barbara. I don't know that. Somebody couldn't ask. Um, In that situation and somebody could, you know, decline, but you know, I think. If somebody has a lot of questions, you know, the right person to ask is going to be Judy. And the right person to ask is going to be Judy. And the right person to ask is going to be Jim. Is if somebody does ask her. Can she do that? I'm sorry. I missed the conversation. Your question, your, your idea about having a candidate. Come into the town office and meet with you and, and look at the vault and everything. Sure. She can. She can, she can do that. It's. Someone came and asked her, Judy, please explain to me your job and what your job requires. I'm just curious. If you were to do that on a local day. There would be nothing that would prohibit Judy from. Assisting that person and explaining to them what the, what the job requires. Very good. Um, Anything else folks want to talk about with. Regarding to this. I'm just curious about when. Voting takes place for all these things that need to be. Select board decided. It seems like we might do it on. April 12th, where we regretfully accept your resignation. And ask you to. Serve as interim town clerk. Until the election takes place. And then we would have. In the minutes, the different dates. And we would have to do that on April 12th as well. You'll also have to approve a warning for a special town meeting. On April 12th. Oh. Okay. Okay. So we should have a draft warning. Yep. And then we would also have to, oh yeah. You made a note. Determine and vote on whether to mail ballots to all registers, voters or mail ballots on request. So we would have to do that on. April 12th as well. You'll also have to approve a warning for a special town meeting. Okay. And that would be included. Just trying to think. So we would have the warning. And that would get posted like we normally post warnings as if it was a regular town meeting, right? That's correct. On May 22nd. Unfortunately, it can't be sooner than that, but we could still announce. Right. And. May 31st is the last day. But if we did it on May 22nd, we don't have to worry about May 31st. Right. You just get it done. Right. All right. And then we've got it. We'll probably have to have a. BCA meeting sometime. Or not. I'm not sure we do because the select, the secretary of state corrected me. Before an election. So there's no point in reviewing the checklist for challenging people. Unless we just wanted to inform them. Of the election and. Make sure they're aware of it. I think probably people will be. Right. When we start circulating stuff. No signature required, still no signature required. Okay. Hey, Denise, one, one just quick point of clarification. So my suggestion to you would be to approve the warning for the special town meeting on the 12th. You will then post notice of the vacancy on the 12th. That will be the day or maybe the 13th will be the day that you get that notice out. Yeah. But you would not post notice of the special town meeting until the 22nd of May. Okay. There's no, there's no problem in, in approving the warning on the 12th of April and then posting it on the 22nd of May. But those are two steps that are going to be required. Okay. Katie, do you have all this for the minutes? Yeah. Yeah. All right. Any other thoughts or questions? Anyone. The general process. Oh, sorry. The general process of making candidates aware of what, of no. I'm just going to ask you, Judy, will you be the one who kind of lets people know, okay, if you're interested in being town clerk. Here's the process. You get signatures. You do this. You do that. I'm happy to answer questions. Inside that one little line, there's like. Find somebody who wants that job. I might be like, wait. All right. And that's what I'm thinking of having a whole area on the website where people who are interested will go. I think that's fine. I think that's fine. I think that's fine. I think that's fine. I think that's fine. I think that's fine. These are the steps. These are the deadlines. Here's the job description. If you want more information, feel free to call me. Okay. Yeah, I think that's, I think that's fine to post that. Sure. Katie, did you have something. Just a quick question for the to-do list. Who, who should I put to a sign for create draft town warning for the town clerk selection. To be prepared for the April 12th meeting. Judy, are you able to do that? Yeah. I'll, I'll draft it, but I need somebody to look at it. Yeah. Well, we can all look at it and send it to Jim. Like we usually do. Okay. It's basically one item, right? Now there's another question I have. It's an opportunity for. Another, if there's anything else that needs to be voted on. If there's a zoning regulation or. Another elected position or whatever. It's an opportunity to have people vote. You know, it complicates counting, but that's not an issue. I mean, we just sort that out. Well, I thought about zoning. But I don't believe they're ready for that. Right. So. So it's a one issue. Most likely one issue warning. Yeah. There is an odd chance too that you could get a petitioned article. From the voters. That the deadline for that would be 47 days before the meeting. So. You could approve the warning on the 12th. See if anything comes in for a petitioned article. Assuming that nothing does then post the warning. On the 22nd. On the 22nd of May. Of May. Yes. Do we need to advertise that for that? Like announced that. No. Good. Okay. All right. Sounds like a plan. I appreciate the time that you've taken to. Look this over and ponder it and. On April 12th, I assume approve it. All right. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Judy. Thank you again. Okay. Any other questions or comments, Jim? Any other thoughts or. Nope. I could send you what. Just. Let's swing, but sweet. Swing back to me around April, just before April 12th, and we can work out the details on the warning. Okay. The notice things like that and get all those. Button down and taking care of. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. All right. Welcome to hang around Jim. Do you need me to hang around folks? Not unless you want to. Okay. Good. Thank you. Go grab. Thanks guys. Have a good evening. You too. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. So. Let's continue our discussion. Of the rules and procedure. Are you. I think I was looking to call it up, right? I think I might throw out at this point. If I'm not needed. That's fine. Enjoy your evening. Thank you. See you, Judy. Thanks, Judy. Take care. Good night, Judy. Thanks. Barbara, did you want to say something? Barbara was waving by. Oh, she's waving by that she wanted to say. All right. Let me see if I can find that document. There's one in tonight's folder. It has the draft. The draft. It's a draft. It's a draft. It has the draft language that I. Did based on the one. I'm a discussion from last week. Okay. I'll pull that one up. If that works for everybody. Everybody like this. Snow we got today. Did anybody else get snow or just over here in North Calis? Oh yeah, we got it. It was kind of ready to move on this year. Pretty wild. Yeah. Again, twice today. A couple of times. It's really annoying. You just, do we want to just keep going or do you guys want to go back through that? Let's, let's go back through what changes we made. I just, I just drafted that one. Item. So I didn't see that there's any. I don't know. We not flex the agenda. And yet we had some discussion from last week about being predictable and letting. And people being able to rely on it. So. Cliff. I took out the others. It does remind her things. Let's go down to the. So, so I, so my. Cliff. Just tell me what. That's it. That's it. That's the only, the only substantive change that we talked about. A redraft is that language you just moved over. The big block in red. Yeah. Yeah. So. So I. So I tried to walk that line of being predictable and also flexible. So I use this language of as a general matter. I don't know if that's correct. I mean, we do often not take up items. And I wasn't sure where that idea that we can't delete things from an agenda comes from. Sharon, I think we can. Delete items or postpone items. If. If we're not ready or somebody's not available. So I don't. Yeah, I agree. I don't think that's a problem. So I took that out. So any other adjustment. So, so now it says as a general matter, all business will be conducted in the more in the order. It appears in the notes agenda, except that any addition must be made as the first item. And I think that's what we do. And in fact, we generally don't. We add discussion items that we don't add. Votes. No addition. Shall be considered once the first active business at the meeting has commenced any other adjustment to the notice agenda. For example, and this is just a punctuation change to set up this example, because there was a whole confusing string of commas. Any other adjustment to the notice agenda? For example, changing the order of business, post-quoting or tabling actions may be made by majority vote of the body. So it's basically that as a general matter, which creates both the. Commitment and the flexibility. And then I added a new paragraph to the. Can I just say, can I just say something on that? I think that if an item is not on the agenda. We can't vote on it. Until it's on meeting a vote. That's my recollection. And that's in the next paragraph. Okay. Except in emergency situations where I think we can write the body will conduct formal business only on items that were included in the notice agenda. So that was something that John was suggesting is that we, that we have times for a vote and we stick with it. But again, I thought, well, and then sometimes we're just going to want flexibility. So that's where. As a general matter is a useful. Meetings. I'm not sure how far we got. I think we got about. Well, I think they got my. Cast. Yeah. I think we got as far as meetings. Because this document here. Doesn't have. The items in it. That Sharon had changed or elaborated on. What do you mean? The document I'm looking at has a lot of stuff in red and. Comments. Because the meetings. Under meetings one. It was highlighted in yellow. 7pm to 9pm. Town office. Town hall or over zoom. And I noticed noted that this was. The revised language. Section one of the current procedures. That sometimes it's not. I don't want to. I want to say in this document. Can you scroll up? I think Denise is in a different spot than we are looking at. I'm under meetings. Is that not what we were? Okay. Because you had put down seven to 9pm. I think we need to have some language in there. That states that we will. Our goal is to adjourn by 9pm. But again, I think there has to be some flexibility. If there's more discussion or. The board agrees to continue discussing. Whatever item they're on. So how about that? As a general matter. Again, I'm making notes here. It's a good idea. As a general matter, regular meetings. Right. Yeah, because not only may we need to. Extend the length of a meeting. To accommodate the discussion. There are also times where we may start early as we do. Right. Both ends. Right. So we need to not just say seven. I think we need to. That's generally when we will meet. But if there's a reason to start earlier, which we have done quite a lot lately. Or have a special meeting, which we do a separate agenda. I think we don't want to. Somehow this, that. Sentence has to be flexible. Right. Which we can accomplish by adding. That phrase at the front. As a general matter. Okay. So. Number two. Okay. You fixed that. Thank you. And on number. Three. At the end of the last sentence, you say. Immediate attention by the public body. Aren't we. We just say immediate attention by the board. I didn't make. I. I don't know. I didn't choose that phrase. I think the body is the phrase that's used throughout. And that, and that's in the true and the VLCT. Base. Base this document as well. If we switch Denise, we're going to have to go back and we'll have to switch everywhere because throughout it says the body. Does it. Okay. Maybe it doesn't. I just picked up on it because at the end of the sentence. Okay. Number six. We might want to put in. The rules of procedure under number six that. During COVID the select board. When it's meeting by zoom has to take a roll call vote. Why are we. Are we jumping from three to seven for any reason? The number. I think the numbers are just messed up. Format. Okay. Making sure. It's actually not in the one I'm looking at, but whatever, that's a detail. Thanks for pointing it out, Rick. Yeah, no, I just. I think it's just Google mashing up the word document. Yeah. Thank you, Google. Okay. Now we're on the one that. I have on my printed copy is number seven, but here it shows it as number eight. Hi, Betsy. You're on mute. I've got background noise, so I will mute. Okay. Did you have anything you wanted to. Talk with us about, or. No, I just. I like to listen to the meetings. Okay. Good. Well, thank you. Okay. So let's review these items. I had one. Item I'd like to add to the list. After D on this list. Ask any questions. And then ask. If there are any questions or comments of the public in attendance as a separate item. Unless it's already there and I missed it. It's in the one before. Where that let where. What I was imagining Denise is that. Is that you kind of do sweep. The chair does sweep whoever it is. So each of us. So the person who's got the item presents it. What could be one of us could be somebody from the public. Then we each. Ask questions in turn. For clarification. Then. The public. Then you do sweep. I don't. I guess I'm missing where. Where you have that. Tell me what letter it is. It's there. See invite each member of the body. So the body being the board. Oh, you're right. It doesn't say public. I don't know why it keeps. I guess I was looking at saying it's right there. It's not right there. Okay. So you're right. So then the public after the chair. After. Yeah, after it. Right. Okay. Is that. So, all right. Well, is that. Does that feel right? Or does it feel more right for you to be sweep and do after the public. So that after. You ask any final questions. We usually like to give the board members a chance to talk. And I suppose that. It would make sense for the members of the public to have a chance to speak. And then maybe based on what somebody from the public says, you know, it might open up. Oh yeah. That's a good question. And the board might have kind of a similar question. It's kind of like a, it's a kind of a. Little bit of flexibility and making sure everybody's had an ample opportunity to speak. Or raise. Questions or ideas. Yeah, I just made a note. I drew an arrow on my draft version here and made a note public after chair. Final board questions. Then the motion. Right. And then on number F or letter F. Any board member can make the motion. It doesn't have to be the person introducing the item. That's not a requirement. No, it's not, but it could be. It could not, not a requirement again, but I think it would be, I would like to see that practice. I would like to see that one of us when one of us. Is a liaison or has a, has an ownership, if you will, of a, of an item. That. That the. Motion comes from, from us. And actually what a lot of boards do is the motion is the first thing that's made. The motion comes first. With a second. And then discussion. Then all of the discussion. So that you always know, again, what the ask is, what are we asking for? What are we trying to accomplish here? So the whole discussion is informed by that. And that. That practice. Coming from the person who's bringing the item. Makes a lot of sense to me. Either. Either way, having. Whether it's done upfront or done by the person. Who. Is bringing the item. Ensures that. We've got a clear. I mean, what I, what I'm imagining is. That rather than wondering and sort of, sort of playing around with, we've actually done a little bit of thinking about it in advance because this is something I've spent a lot of time working on. And so I know that this is kind of the shape of. The motion. And maybe I've listened to the discussion and I've tweaked it a little bit, but. Generally. Yeah, I mean, I don't have any. I'm sorry. It doesn't, it doesn't have to be. But I, but honestly, I don't read that anything here that it has to be. And what we've, what we've been saying is that by writing our process down. We're. We're creating the specific. Specificity we need to change our behavior. I think it would be good to say. Maybe you could say as a general rule, as a general. Something or other, as we did in other things, the. Liaison would make the motion, but I think we need to be clear that it doesn't have to be that person. I would like to make sure that we say that. So it's clear. Okay. Okay. How's everybody doing. Great. Anything else on anything else in that list, folks? So I mean, are we, are we talking about moving that request for motion then up in the, in this process? Definitely. Or are we going to just have to stay. I mean, we don't have to decide definitely tonight because I'm imagining that we'll. All want to take. One more look at this and. Way in and have some further discussion on some of the items. I don't think, I don't think we should approve anything until we're. Until John's here and we're a full. Board anyway. Yeah, that's far. This is kind of a big deal. Okay. Public participation. All right. Number one. Doesn't look like there was any changes made. The previous rules. And I guess I want to better understand. Number two. But I have to go get my water. I'll be right back. My water is empty. I should. Ring a bell for a refill. Hold up in the corner. Upstairs. You are too, Katie, right? You're often some, yeah. Upstairs corner. I'm on the couch in middle of Grand Central Station. In our house. All meetings. So I'll, I'll just, I'll say. While we wait for Denise. I don't remember. Maybe this is something that I added it because one of the things that I, that I notice is that sometimes. I mean, we always have, I think the concept that are. Public. Public comment time is about 15 minutes. And if we have a timed agenda, we are definitely going to have to know what time are we committing. To public comment. And to me. I'm back. Thanks for waiting. Yeah. Oh, I was starting to talk to me. So if a couple of things, one is if we have a. If we have a timed agenda, we're definitely going to have to have, you know, how much time do we generally devote to public. Comment. So that's, if we can't do a timed agenda without, you know, making that, that decision. The others. The other thing is. That sometimes. An item that shows up as public comment. And it is public, but it's a big topic. And to me. You know, what if instead of. Having a topic like that throw off. Our agenda. We recognize, okay, this is a really important topic. Thank you so much for bringing it to us. We want to put time on another agenda so that it's not a. So it's, it's so it, I mean, just because it comes into. Just because the input stream is from public comment. Doesn't mean that it can't be a regular agenda item. On the board's agenda at another meeting with more time. That's, that's what I mean by that. So like, if somebody wants to say, Hey, I, you know, thanks for public comment time. I hope you guys are aware of blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I wanted to get it here. I know you probably want me to come back another time. We'll have more time to talk about it. That sort of thing. Okay. Cause currently we always have an agenda item. That is public comment. Three quarters and three quarters of the time. There isn't any. Sometimes somebody just wants to make an announcement. And I've seen, I have seen us take. Somebody who has a public comment. And put it on our future agenda. So I don't see where this is changing. What we currently do. It may not, it may not be. It may not be. And, and this is. Is this, I just want to make sure. You were asking where it was coming from. And so if, if there's any change from, from the basic, the basis document, it would be. Shifting. Of an item that all, you know, that shows up as public comment and, but feels bigger than a bread box. Into. You know, kind of. Corralling it. At a, at a. 15 minutes. And, and so, and inviting more time on another agenda when it's actually all on the agenda. That's all that I was trying to say. So assuming no, and then with no action taken so that it's, you're not discussing it after the fact. That's the. Yeah. Well, we, well, if somebody brings an item to us that. Requires that we take some action, we have to put it on a future agenda anyways. Right. But also we've had topics that don't actually require. Action and may not require more than 15 minutes and still somehow they get it. So. And can throw our agenda, our time, our evening way, way off. So. No, I was saying, so this is really intended then for, I mean, we always, there's some of these issues that we're going to have that are really contentious. We're going to have a meeting on the agenda. We're going to have a meeting on the agenda. We're going to talk about that. And we'll probably a lot. Sufficient time and an agenda for those. But this is really for those things that maybe. We get more. Feedback than we thought we were going to have. So it gives us a way of. Kind of keeping a meeting on track, but simultaneously. Allotting the appropriate time to the public. Later. Just lets us say, okay, we're going to give this more time. I like that. Okay. So what I see is that these are items that are not. On the agenda. Right. Not items that are on the agenda. And I don't want to end up like some boards that. Okay. Okay. Remain nameless that we. Public comments. At the beginning or the end of a meeting, some boards do that. And I don't think that serves the public. Well, and it doesn't serve our constituents. Well, too. I don't think that's a good idea. But I think we should limit that because we normally have a practice. And I think it works well and people appreciate it. What I've heard. Of hearing from the public on any agenda item that comes up. The point. I mean, I agree. Yeah. I was just understanding. What I'm trying to accomplish is not having 15 minutes for public comment at the top of the agenda turned into an hour. Yeah, I've got you. That makes perfect sense. Yeah. And then what are we so as for timing the agenda. You allow 15 minutes. And nobody shows up. Until. Five minutes before the 15 minutes is going to end. I'm just trying to think of, you know, trying to keep an agenda on schedule. Putting in times of when items will occur. Or we just going to sit there for 15 minutes waiting for people to comment. Are we going to move on? Yeah, I would say that we, we. Move on. Maybe the time agenda item is up to 15 minutes. So that we're like on a timed agenda, you're, you're noting. No promise. We're going to sit and put our phones for 15 minutes. So up to 15 minutes. We're going to put our phones for 10 minutes into the 15 and we've started to do other business. Then I suppose, and I think we would do this anyway. I would, I think we should, you know, give them the perfect person who shows up at seven 10. Five minutes. Because because we got five more minutes. Left on the time that we set aside to hear for public comment by seven 15. And. Yeah. And I think that's, I think that's fair. I think it's fair. I don't think we should at seven 30. Be taking public comment, unless it's, unless it fits in one of, you know, that, that item we just hit where we have an agenda item and there's somebody there from the public for that item. Okay. Okay. Cliff, you wanted to speak. Another way you could deal with that is you could move that item to the end of the agenda. Which item. The section where we allow public comments. For items not on the agenda. You make it the last 15 minutes of the meeting. Can we. I do think it should say in there somewhere. A lot of public comment for items not appearing on the agenda. We're not scheduled. Oh, you do say that. I'm sorry. No, you're saying to be scheduled for a future. Meeting. I want to make sure that we say that public comment is for items currently not on the agenda. But they could be scheduled as an agenda item for a future meeting if need be. So at each meeting, there will be 15 minutes allotted for, well, and actually to Cliff's point, it doesn't say where on the agenda it's going to be. 15 minutes allotted for public. Comment on items not on the agenda. All right. Well, let's think about it. Yeah, my point was only to was literally. Not letting 15 minutes of public comment. Take up an hour on items not on the agenda. Okay. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Which has happened. Yeah, that's definitely a good. You're right. And so. Okay. Number three. Comments by the public. Anybody have. Any comment on number three. No comment. Comment should be plural. And it should be a before board. Okay. Number four. So you say accept during the 15 minutes of public comment. There has to be some way to have that organized. So. We already covered that though on the other and during a meeting topic. So then we don't need that in there then. Well. There was a public must be acknowledged by the chair, except during 15 minutes of public comment, the chair will not acknowledge. We could move it. It says it pretty, pretty. Clearly. I actually like it. I even, you're right, Denise. It's redundant, but I like it. I like it here in a section called public participation. Because if I'm a member of the public, and I go to look at the select boards. Procedures to see, you know, where, how, how am I addressed in there? It's, it's one stop shopping by leaving that in there. It's not, it's not conflicting with what we said earlier. It's reinforcing it. I agree with Sharon. I think that has. This, this deals with the public comment part of the meeting, but it also. In the same paragraph is dealing with. Item discussions during the meeting. And it's just setting down the rule that we. Discuss first, then we hear the comment. We may discuss after we are a comment. But I think this is necessary here. I guess. I guess I have to think about it a little bit. And I can assure you that most members of the public are not going to go and read our rules of procedure. No, but we will. We will. And we, and having them. Discussing them. And then. You know, in a week or two, adopting them. Gives us that. You know, that. Anchor. That, that. You know, we can say this is not how it works. It is. I mean, we've said this, we are to some extent going to. We're going to be disciplined in order for me to, for this to work. We're going to have to be disciplined and we're going to have to meet it. And focus. Well, it'll be, it'll be good to be able to pull these out to say this is what. We have done. And there was ample opportunity for the public to weigh in on our discussion about this. But I still think this is. I guess I just still have. I'm concerned about except during the 15 minutes. Peace. I guess I'll have to think about it. Well, Denise, all it's, all it's saying is, as you already said, it's already saying what we already talked about. And I thought we agreed to earlier. It's just repeating it in a place that is. Aligned with the hiding of public participation, except during 15 minutes, a chair will not acknowledge or invite comment from members of the public until all members of the board. Have completed questions and comments. Yeah. To me, that's a no brainer. I said. I want to think about it. All right. Number five. Yeah, I think we, I think we try to do this now. So it's good to have it in writing. And. I think this is. Yeah. I think this is trying to start mostly what we have now. Number six. I agree with number six. We also have comments on number six. Isn't that right out of the VLCT share? Yeah. I checked. Yeah. So. Okay. Seven. I think this is either what we had or directly out of. VLCT. You guys hear that growing. Yeah. All right. Okay. I can close the door. Okay. Number seven. The only time I remember this, anything getting to this level is when, and it didn't because we. We. Had a. Plan and. It was well managed, but that. The memorial hall conversation we had at town hall, that big meeting. Kind of fell into this, this category. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We don't want to stifle public comment and participation, but we need to. Manage it. In a timely fashion. Because we could have an agenda item. That is worn. And we think we're all. Yeah. Seven. Yep. And. I had something here. The. Yeah. This is new language. Yeah. We don't want to stifle public comment and participation, but we need to. We need to make sure that we have an agenda item. That is worn and we think we're all. We're all said and done. And then somebody from the public might. Come in at the last minute, which they often do. And raise an issue that we hadn't thought of or. Something like that. So we want to make sure that we don't stifle that participation. Right. I agree. But wherever possible, we may also want to say, okay, we didn't leave enough time on this week's agenda. And we don't have. We don't have enough time. We don't have enough time. And. We want to have. A half hour on the next agenda. Or it might, it might reveal that there's just more research for somebody to do. You know, go back. That's what I'm thinking. Yeah. Either way, either way you're getting it out of tonight's agenda. And you don't have to necessarily hash it all out in the meeting. I mean, I've seen that happen where people have raised issues. Sort of at the last minute and would have been nice to know sooner. But, you know, that's just the nature of people. Well, it's a good idea. If, you know, when it's in a situation like that, where doubt is raised, you don't want to force a decision. You want to, it needs to be thoughtful. And, you know, so you do, I agree. We want to a lot more time. You know, so we ought to time to digest that and. Discuss it further. I think that's completely appropriate. Yeah. Okay. Well, everybody. Cliff, do you have any further thoughts or comments? No, I think what we've agreed is that we'll all have an opportunity to. Spend another. Bit of time reviewing everything. And then when the full board meets again, we can agree to move forward. Or adjust as we might see fit. Very good. All right. Good discussion, everyone. Thank you. Yeah. All right. Would you like to do some minutes? We're a little behind in getting some minutes done. So let's start out with the. Whatever the oldest ones are. I think they might be the informational meeting Katie. Yes. We probably didn't even really. Have to do minutes. But I think it's good that we. Have it documented what. Discussions were. So thank you for doing a good job on that. Okay. Okay. I'm assuming everyone can see that. Okay. Yes, thank you. I saw some minor edits, but. See anything major. Yeah, there was one thing there where I had said more. Go back up. Where it says. Where I said warned. It's warned items. Somewhere. Also, there's in the. Attending above the attendees. Melanie Keen's name is there, but it was actually me. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I was just using Melanie zoom at the time. So. Are you sure. I'm positive. Okay. And Jim O'Reardon's name has an apostrophe after the O. And it was actually Pam D. Andrea there. Kind of the same thing. It wasn't Jim O'Reardon. It was Pam D. Andrea. Using Jim O'Reardon's accounts. Yeah. Down at the bottom. Right there. So we don't even need him in there because he wasn't really there. There was a question from Craig line that I don't. See here. Well, can we do this one? Yeah, sorry. Sorry. Sorry. There was a thing where I said it was warned items because it said something else. And I can't. I don't want that to be. Oh, wait a minute. Oh, I know where it says. But we cannot act or amend questions today. It was, we cannot end act or amend warned articles. Instead of questions. Yeah. Good catch. Okay. Moving along. Everybody good with that. Okay. Yep. Yeah. Is this where you wanted to mention something about. Craig line under public comment or something. Sharon. Sharon, if you're talking, we can't hear you. Sorry guys. Craig. Craig asked us about. The select board. Assistant. And. And I don't, I was just scanning. I don't. See that question. And we will want to make sure. That we capture, I think there's something there. When I read this before, I remember seeing some that in here somewhere. I know. I thought it was under article three, which we just passed by. Right. It's, it's item number five titled article three, the first paragraph. Yeah. Greg line asked, please explain. Okay. And we did. Thank you for. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. We answered. Pam's question. In the season, we added to allow viewers to gain more information on each. Pam. Continues. Yep. And the questions are a little bit stilted because I copy and pasted them so that people could see what they actually asked. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Okay. We are sad to see Jennifer go. We could say leave the commission. That'd be great. Thank you, Katie. What can you do, Katie, could you double check. The spelling of Joe. Magna's name or maybe you already have. I'm thinking it doesn't have. I think I'm thinking it's MAG. But we need to double check. Okay, I'll make a note to look it up. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Anybody have anything else on seven? Yeah, you did an amazing job, Katie. Yeah, you did. Okay. It was like a long time ago. Doesn't it? Yeah. Anything else on. On these. Would somebody like to make a motion to approve them. Move to approve. I'll second that. With the changes. Ready to vote. Okay. Okay. Okay. Hi. Hi. Hi. All right. So next is. March. March eight. The next one's correct. No, we have some from a meeting of the February 22nd. Oh, okay. Oh, my clock is flashing. So I have no idea what time it is. Yeah. I mean, should I abstain on this ground? Since I was not present at this meeting. Do I abstain on this? Yeah. I mean, technically a board member doesn't have to abstain from a meeting that they didn't attend. You weren't really, you weren't elected yet. Right. That's what I'm. Yeah. Yeah, we didn't. We just want to add a sentence about we reviewed the treasure report. Which we did. And I made a comment there somewhere. How repairs would be paid for. Ownership and state permitting. I think it is after. It's the one, two, three, four, fifth. Line down. Yeah. And I guess what I said worked thus far. I don't remember why I said that. To change the end to end of the sentence. And hope to work together. I don't know. Oh, well. Yeah. And I don't remember. What that permits. I've already been secured. I'm not remembering that from my history on that. Task force. Right. Would you have to specify just out of. I mean, work together on what. Who that that's there. I think it should probably be a little bit more specific than that. I don't know. Okay. I can go back up to work together. Exploratory group. And if they didn't say it, if we don't remember what they said, then. I think sometimes we have half conversations and things don't actually get set out loud because everybody kind of knows. So what we could do. I would feel okay with Katie, but I don't think that's a good idea. Yeah. I think we need to say something work together. What they're hoping for is the town. The town and this exploratory group. Can work together to come up with a solution. That's pretty vague. Yeah. Big enough. Good enough. Yeah. No, if it were, if it were, if we were like being specific. Right. Then I would want it. I would want to be clear that it might not have been said, but I don't care about that. Yeah. I think what didn't get said was that I, I wasn't part of the discussion years past, but there was kind of the. Alluding, alluding to that there were some challenges and working together in the past. They were here on goodwill. Was this. I got having not been involved in the past. Yeah. There were some issues, but I don't think we need to. We don't need to get into that. I think we just. Coming up with a solution, but. I think you're, you're right. There were some issues. On these minutes, I would, I think it's good that we go through them. But. I had a, I think this was this the one where I had a question for John. We may not want to approve these without John looking at him either. Cause I know he'll have various questions. Yeah. And especially about the permits. He'll remember. If there were permits. And probably what they are if there aren't. Oh, this is a place where that came up specifically yet. And you asked a question and it occurred to me. Sometimes the answers. The question is exactly right, but it wasn't. Said. Yeah. But I think we can whittle them down to maybe. Asking at the next meeting, John's at. Our questions of his thoughts on this. That I just like, cause I didn't make any sense to me. Oh, remember. Remember we've, John had been giving us routine updates about that. Case that was at the attorney general's office. The central months and all the waste management district dumping. Last where it wasn't supposed to. Right. The part that didn't make sense is that he, that the FOIA request was in his professional capacity. And if that's not. If that's not accurate, he won't want that in there. I think he did say that, but we could again ask him. So we can just leave that. Recall that he said that this is something he did as, as part of his. Day job, but yeah, he can verify it since we're not going to formally sign off on these until John's. Part of the group. Yeah. Right. And I think. Maybe, maybe. Or maybe he said that he, he. Does a lot of FOIA requests. And so he, you know, just did one for this, but they're not, but he didn't do a FOIA request on this topic for his work. Yeah. He, well, I know he did. I saw the. Yeah. Okay. All right. But we can have him confirm it. Yeah. I mean, I don't know, I don't know why I might have been filling in the, the gaps, things we know, but. Make a complete story. Anybody have any changes to any of these bullets. That's fine. That is part of the conversation with Ruben is. Kind of a gap analysis of where we're at and where they see our potential needs. And that's also an opportunity for us to. Provide them with any feedback of issues that have come up over the past year of the contract. Yeah, that's what we agreed to and Ruben agreed to. Come to the board with his. Concerns or issues that we haven't maybe thought about with. Things that we need to do or upgrade. Okay. Anything else from what we can see on the screen. Maybe you could make the changes that we've agreed to. And then the ones that need John's input, we could just leave them. Those comments there. Can you do that? Yep. Okay. Great. Can we call that good? Cause we're. We're. What time is it? One. It's 120. It's 820. Cliff. That was waiting for you to say we, we said we were only going to do an hour. Okay. Well, I was thinking we were going to be able to get through this a little bit quicker, but. I'm. I'm agree. I'm. Perfectly happy to wrap up at this point. I do have. I do have one item. That. We need to do it is the result of our executive session last meeting. Where we came out of executive session and said what we were going to do, we were going to have a meeting to do. And it was like, We're going to have a meeting to do. We're going to have a meeting. We're going to have a meeting. And then the next week. Everybody is. Housekeeping of old business. It has to do with the letter to E, M F B. I have the letter already to go. And then. I was looking at the minutes. And we didn't make an. Formal motion. To send the letter to the East. Not clear fire department in East. Don't play your select board. So it's sort of. We're not too late, are we? No. I just need to get this out right away. I think it should be that we make a motion that we will send a letter. Okay. That we asking to unbundle we're going to, you know, want to reopen this contract and discuss it again. Renegotiations. I mean, I have it. I have it all on my computer on letterhead. I just realized that we didn't make a motion. That's what comes of, and we weren't even that late, I guess. I don't know. I don't know how to say that. So Cliff, did you just make a motion? I would make that motion. Second. Does that work for you, Katie? I think Katie's pros. Locked up. Cliff, maybe you can type. Send Katie an email with the motion you made. Yes, I will do that. Okay. Are you ready to vote? Anybody second. Yes. I seconded. Okay. I'll make a note of that as well. Okay. Hi. I'm an eye. Sharon. Hi. And Cliff. Hi. All right. Our next. Official meeting date is April 12th. So does everybody agree to a Monday night off? Yes. We have a, we have a Monday off. Yeah. Don't let this, you know, don't get used to this. Don't get too excited. Don't be too excited. No, it's good. I'm kind of sad how excited. Well, don't get over overzealous either because nature pours a vacuum and something could always rise to fill that space. We're in disaster season. All right. Would somebody like to make a motion to adjourn? So moved. And who seconded it? I seconded everybody. Everybody did. Everybody moved in everybody's second. I like to vote. Sharon is an eye. And Chris and I. All right. I'm going to be a name. Thank you for coming. I would say something, but we're on camera. We're being recorded. I'll be. Everybody. Good night. See you Thursday, Betsy. Good night.