 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Reverend McDowell, would you mind saying a word of prayer before we begin? Thank you. We simply say thank you for all of the wondrous blessings you bestowed upon each of us, and particularly upon this city of ours. In your own way, Lord, we ask that you might touch and energize us with your presence. Touch us in such a way that we might be sensitive to conversations that we might have today, and that those of us who sit in this traditional yet historical building might sense that sensitivity. Create within each of us a willingness to work and a willingness to do what is necessary for this, our beloved city. We ask it and claim it in your name. Amen. Mr. Mayor, I move that we adopt the agenda with deferral of items 17 and 18. Is there a second? Second. Any discussions, questions, comments? Hearing none, seeing none. Madam Clerk, could you read the roll? Ms. Herbert. Aye. Dr. Bussells. Aye. Mr. Brennan. Yes. Mr. McDowell. Yes. Mr. Duvall. Aye. Mayor Rickiman. Aye. Thank you. Mayor Rickiman, at this time, we would ask for any public input on the agenda items as outlined with the adopted changes. Mayor, we don't have anyone signed in at this time for items on the regular agenda. Most of the individuals will speak during the zoning public hearing or at the end of the meeting. Okay. Mr. Mayor, there's a large group here from Cotton Town that are here to speak on the items that were deferred, and I would request that they be allowed to have a short input. Now, Denise, would you like to represent your community? Mayor Rickiman and City Council, I am Denise Wellman, the President of Cotton Town. Oh, sorry. You asked for people to be here, Mayor Rickiman, just a few moments ago. Preferably on our budget. You said zoning though, so that's why I picked up on it. I am here with my neighbors from Cotton Town. And we were prepared to speak on the zoning amendment today. Not all of us. We were not going to take all of your time. Okay. But we wanted you to hear our reservations about this agenda item that is before you. I really thank Councilwoman Herbert for asking questions, demanding some answers. We have been working on trying to get answers about this project since October and have not been successful getting Ghost Rider to provide information to us. We even invited them to the Cotton Town Board meeting in November. The developer did not show. They claim that they have done a traffic study. They said they had early drawings of the project. I have asked for those on three occasions. No documents have been received. We are all in with helping you develop every corner of Main Street. Like the 1600 block of Main Street has been instrumental to the Main Street district. Cotton Town wants to be a part of that north of Elmwood. This project is not going to help us get there. So we just wanted you to know we were here. I appreciate the opportunity to speak before you to let you know our tremendous reservations about what we have heard about this project. And look forward to any opportunity you want to hear what we have heard about this project. Thank you for one for being here today and thank all of you for showing up together. Any other questions or information that y'all were looking for that you would share with us as well? At this point I don't know when the date is going to be. But we all have questions as well. And so I think it'd be great if we could try to get everything answered for everybody so that we're all hearing the same thing. Shall we send those to Councilwoman Herbert? That'd be fine and she'll share. Yes, ma'am. Okay, we will do that. Thank you very much. Thank y'all for being here. I appreciate your participation. Now you do realize that's your way of leaving now. You don't have to stay anymore. Moving forward with the approval of minutes. Council is asked to approve the December 6th and 20th, 2022 Council meeting minutes. January 4th, 2023 special call meeting minutes. Check it. And that would also include January 10th and January 17th of 2023 minutes. So we have a motion and a second. Any comments, corrections? Hearing none, seeing none. Madam Clerk, could you read the roll? Ms. Herbert. Aye. Dr. Bussells. Aye. Mr. Brennan. Yes. Mr. McDowell. Yes. Mr. Duvall. Aye. Mayor Rickerman. Aye. Thank you. So on item two through nine include your consent agenda. I would make note that two of our items, I'm always pleased to see a cost savings. There are two significant Columbia water projects. So that is good showing the market is allowing for some of our bids to come in much better. And there's an item that's significant for some park improvements in Columbia. Is there a motion? Move approval of the consent agenda. And that's items two through nine. Second. There's a second. Any questions, discussions, concerns? Hearing none, seeing none. Madam Clerk, could you read the roll? Ms. Herbert. Aye. Dr. Bussells. Aye. Mr. Brennan. Yes. Mr. McDowell. Yes. Mr. Duvall. Aye. Mayor Rickerman. Aye. Ms. Hampton. It's a pleasure to see you this afternoon. We will begin. I see you have a fun filled afternoon for us today. It is. Y'all made it a lot shorter than just now. So these are first reading items, the public hearing on zoning and planning matters. Ms. Christa Hampton, director of planning and development services. Good evening. Our first item on your agenda, your zoning public hearing agenda this evening is an annexation, a future land use map amendment and zoning map amendment for 7106 Broad River Road. It's a request to annex the property. Assign a land use classification of community activity corridor and a zoning of office and institutional district. Is there anybody here to speak for or against this project? Ms. Herbert, this is your district. I'm sorry. I was trying to get my little thingy to work. But. I don't think our screens are mimicking the somebody here from IT. But I will make a motion for approval. Second. She's coming. Ma'am, did you want to speak? Come on to the mic. Oh, well, you get a free parking ticket with your first time visited city halls. So I'm not the one doing it. Okay. Okay. Let me let me tell you just real quick. So what this is would bring it into the city of Columbia. So it would annex it into the city. The person who is requesting the annexation is looking to do a daycare establishment, as well as a restaurant. She had been looking at an ice cream store. So a daycare and a restaurant at the time. Yes, ma'am. Right. So what you need to know, however, is that's what she has indicated her intentions are. Once she is annexed and it is zoned to the office and institutional, she is permitted to do whatever is permitted under that office and institutional. Krista, could you share just with her what those, what could be done there just so she knows, because I think this is her point of interest of just understanding what could possibly go on there. Well, there's a quite a list of things that's permitted under office and institutional. It wouldn't be the best to go with the list currently, but it's it's low level office, some residential, some sorts of retail service uses as well. Can we get an email address for you, ma'am? And we can make sure we email you all the possibilities because what we'll do today, just so you understand the process, we'll give it a first reading. And then if there's some concerns or questions between first and second reading, we can connect as well. And we'll encourage the applicant, which is smart art, smart Academy after school, to maybe just touch base if they haven't with you already. If you could share your contact information with our clerk, we'll make sure you get that information. Yes, ma'am. And Miss Hampton, I think that was one of my questions. If you knew whether or not the applicant had reached out to the, I don't know if there's a neighborhood association there or anything. I do not know whether she's done that. Absolutely. And Miss Herbert, I'm assuming that we want to, we want to make sure that takes place before second reading. Yeah, that's what I was, yeah, before second reading. Is there anything else? Our map is now up for anybody who can't see. Any other comments? Is there a motion? So moved. Mr. Mayor. Got a motion. Is there a second? Second. Motion is second. Any other comments, questions? I know we're getting some information here. Madam clerk, can you read the roll? Miss Herbert. Hi. Dr. Bussells. Hi. Mr. Brennan. Yes. Mr. McDowell. Yes. Mr. Duvall. Aye. Mayor, recommend. Yes. We're still on the first. Yes. The, um, my button is not forwarding the slides. If you all could please forward the slides to the next case. Uh, we're freezing. So am I. Yes. We're still on the first. Yes. Um, my button is not forwarding the slides. If you all could please forward the slides to the next case. Uh, we're freezing. So am I. Here we go. Keep going a few more, please. There we are. One more. Probably help. Maybe not. That's it. There. So you can see that's near 77. Shop road. Went too far. Please, uh, return back one. Thank you. That's good. Thank you. Mr. Brennan. Public comment. Yeah. And I'll make a motion. Is there anyone here to speak in favor or against this? Annexation. Seeing and hearing none. Motion to approve. There. Second. Second. We have a motion and a second. Madam clerk. Get seated. If you wouldn't mind. Reading the role here. Mr. Herbert. Hi. After bustles. Hi. Mr. Brennan. Yes. Mr. McDowell. Yes. Hi. Thank you. Your next case is an annexation future land use map amendment and zoning map amendment for 2601 two notch road and 1608 Germany street. It's a request to annex the property assigned to land use classification of urban edge multifamily and a zoning of community activity center corridor. One more please. Thank you. This is a donut hole right there at two notch Germany and Covenant. Is there anyone to speak for against this item? Mr. Hampton, if you would, Mr. Man. Yes, sir. Mr. Hampton, if you would say a word to other members of council, you and I have had some conversation about this. Say some word about how that building is going to be utilized and annexed into the city. Certainly the proponents of the annexation indicate they're going to establish a pet grooming business as I indicated with the broad river road annexation. However, once they're annexed, they can establish any business that is permitted under the zoning of the CAC. But we believe that is an appropriate zoning for that corner. Thank you, ma'am. You're welcome. Reverend McDowell. So move. Had a motion. Is there a second? Second. I will put on the record that by bringing in this donut hole that we're saving the county some money and I hope they appreciate we take that off their list. With that, Madam Clerk, could you read the roll? Ms. Herbert. Aye. Dr. Bussells. Aye. Mr. Brennan. Yes. Mr. McDowell. Yes. Mr. Duvall. Aye. Mayor Rickman. Aye. Thank you. Number 13 is an annexation future land use map amendment and zoning map amendment for 7611 and a half Garner's Ferry Road and 0.40 acres of the south side of Fountain Lake Road request to annex the property and assign to land use classification of urban edge regional activity center and a zoning of general commercial district. I wrote out there. I couldn't figure out the half part. I think there's looking like there was something else supposed to be there and I couldn't figure out where it was. Is there anyone here to speak for against this annexation? Mr. Brennan. This is District 3. Thank you, sir. A motion to approve. I have a motion. Is there a second? Second. I have a motion and a second. Madam Clerk, could you read the roll please? Ms. Herbert. Aye. Dr. Bussells. Aye. Mr. Brennan. Yes. Mr. McDowell. Yes. Mr. Duvall. Aye. Mayor Rickman. Aye. Mr. Mulca Featon. Aye. Greenhouse Ayes. Aye. quarto Linux is levels 4 with the office department on land use.이에요 mama and zoning map amendment for Minas 30ing ten point seven acres next to shop road extension it's a request to within the floodplain overlay district and they they they were trying to to read up in our code how that worked. Could you just take two minutes to explain that to whoever had asked that question because they're not here but I imagine they're listening. Certainly when when you have what we do is we pretty much mirror FEMA's floodplain maps so when you have a portion of that that is in the floodplain it is also assigned the floodplain overlay district. So it's it's our zoning regulations don't necessarily govern it it's the FEMA flood. So we're just mirroring FEMA. Correct. I have that in my repertoire for the future. Is there anybody here to speak for against this annexation? Hearing none seeing none. Motion to approve. There's a motion. Is there a second? Second. Madam clerk could you read the roll please? Dr. Bussells. Aye. Mr. Brennan. Yes. Mr. McDowell. Yes. Mr. Duvall. Aye. May I recommend. Aye. 15 is an annexation future land use and zoning map amendment for plus or minus 14.9 acres on the north side of Pineview Drive. Request to annex the property assigned a land use classification of industrial and a zoning of light industrial with a portion in the floodplain overlay district. This will the darker blue will show you the floodplain overlay. And that's connected to the that is connected to that last to the piece that we just approved as well. Correct. Is there anyone who's speak for against this seeing none hearing none is there a motion Mr. Brennan. Motion to approve. Is there a second? Second. We have a motion and a second. Madam clerk could you read the roll? Mr. Herbert. Aye. Dr. Bussells. Aye. Mr. Brennan. Yes. Mr. McDowell. Yes. Mr. Duvall. Aye. May I recommend. Aye. An annexation future land use and zoning map amendment at 1109 Kinley Road or request to annex the property and assign a land use classification of community activity corridor and a zoning of community activity center corridor at the time of annexation. Is there anybody here to speak for or against this annexation in Kinley Road? Ms. Herbert. So moved. The second. Second. Motion and a second. Madam clerk could you read the roll please. Ms. Herbert. Aye. Dr. Bussells. Aye. Mr. Brennan. Yes. Mr. McDowell. Yes. Mr. Duvall. Aye. May I recommend. Aye. Moving past 17 and 18 which was deferred to number 19 which is just a zoning map amendment otherwise known as a rezoning for 621 Amherst Avenue or request to rezone the property from residential to family in the Shandon community character protection overlay to neighborhood center corridor district. This rezoning is requested to facilitate its redevelopment with a commercial property there adjoining Divine Street. Is there anybody here to speak in favor against this? We have Mr. Bill Hall. Just speaking the mic just so we can record it. Thank you sir. I live at 615 Amherst and the property adjacent to the 621 Amherst. Both properties are 60 feet wide and 621 excuse me is rezoned from RD to NAC because I'm pretty sure it's going to get rezoned. All right. That a 30 foot buffer is required by the current UDO. Okay. Coupled with the driveway access that leaves only about 20 foot commercial development which is not feasible. However the UDO allows that a 50% reduction from 30 feet to 15 feet is allowed if an 8 foot masonry wall is constructed along the entire links of the property line. All right. So in my opinion the first thing that needs to happen before anything is done on that property is the construction of that wall. Okay because the wall not only will prevent any encroachment on my property from any demolition or development but will also protect the integrity of my property from any demolition or development. So and because the construction of the wall is required and stipulated by the UDO to reduce the buffer because in the original plans the developer had no idea about the 30 foot he just drew up the plans using the whole property. So that's the only reason I'm here to go on the record is to say that you know I expect you know the wall to be constructed once this property is rezoned. I mean I was told when I called zoning is that well you know if it takes four years to develop the property you know it takes four years to build a wall and I don't see it like that. I think once the property is rezoned then the first order of business is built in that wall and that's the only reason I'm here to go on the record voiced my opinion. You voiced your opinion at the Shannon neighborhood a couple of months ago and I attended that. Right well I mean I spoke up at the Shannon neighborhood meeting months ago and you know the whole nine yards and I mean you know they have voted unanimously to approve the same fact. I mean I'm not opposed to it. I just want you just want the wall built before they do anything else. Because if you look at the map the 621 it's an L-shaped property where Divide Street is here and there's an office building and they use an L-shaped driveway and on 621 see there's been no buffer and I mean once the you I mean back when it was RSF I mean I don't think it really mattered or whatever you know the bottom line is there was no buffer between the Divide Street commercial property and the 621 Amherst property and so now you know that whoever's bought the property bought the whole thing but they want to they want to make the RD the NAC and like I say my only reason being here is to get on the rapper to say well if you want to make it NAC to reduce that 30-foot buffer to 15 you got to build a wall. I think everybody's in agreement. I think everybody's in agreement. Right. Well I mean everybody knows the rules. I just wanted to get on the rapper. That's all. I appreciate your time. Thank you. Is the developer here. I think we can work with this gentleman to satisfy his quest. Yes please. I think it's a reasonable. Yes sir. With Garvin design group architects here with Zabzahler potential developer property. It is not currently purchased yet when we're working very closely to it and that's been part of the process here. We have heard that and agree that there is a due diligence to make sure the property with that obviously engineering we all want stormwater to work with. That's really the first step is to make sure everything is addressing it that the wall is not creating more problems than it's benefiting but we all do agree that the wall is the best initial step once they understood overall plan is design steps that have to take place You think you'll have a pretty good idea from a stormwater runoff and kind of lay out before second reading maybe a couple weeks or is that part of that has been waiting on this hearing zone makes it a feasible project reading gives some level of obviously second reading is really the ideal point where an investment of that magnitude should take place. So we wouldn't really ask our client to invest that level of money ahead of actually owning the property. Well I mean that doesn't make sense either but I think we are kind of in a I think the biggest thing that here I think what what he he's asking makes a lot of sense so we can work together. I have great respect for the Garvin design group. I know they work very hard and have done incredible projects in our community. I know y'all will do the right thing but we're going to give it first reading but we do want to make sure that we're working towards coming up with a solution and a rendering at least sharing that as well. We've actually done that a couple times with the neighborhood association. We just have to do our due We appreciate it. Thank you sir. I will say Mr. Mayor that Mr. Zeller and Mr. Thames have done a great job of reaching out to the neighborhood association many many times and so we're very thankful for that interaction with that motion to approve. Second. If you have a motion and a second. Madam Clerk could you read the roll? Ms. Herbert. Dr. Bussells. I. Mr. Brennan. Yes. Mr. McDowell. Yes. Mr. Duvall. I. Mayor recommend. Item number 20 is a zoning map amendment for 200 Mulberry Lane request to rezone the property from residential single family small lot in the Whaley street historic preservation area protection area to residential mixed district in the Whaley street historic protection area. This will allow for the construction of a duplex which is consistent with the housing in the area. Does anybody speak for against this project? Reverend McDowell. This is a district too. Mr. Let me ask you a question about this particular. We're looking at single family dwellings. And I would do it. It would facilitate the construction of a duplex which is consistent with you know many of the houses in the mill district were actually constructed as duplexes. So this would facilitate that redevelopment and it remains in the historic protection area. So it will be subject to design review as well. But that was going to be my next question. Has DDRC looked at this yet? No sir. Not to my knowledge. I can confirm that. But so let me get back to you on that. But regardless the design will meet the Whaley street design guidelines. All right. Is there you have a motion? So move. As far as we did. Is there a second? Yes sir. Second. A motion and a second. Madam clerk could you read the roll? Ms. Harbert. Hi Dr. Bussells. Hi. Mr. Brennan. Yes. Mr. McDowell. Yes. Mr. Duvall. Hi. Mayor recommend. Hi. Thank you. Number 21 is a zoning map amendment for 951 and 919 True Street. It's a request to rezone the property from mixed use. That's MU1 to general commercial district. Is there anybody here to speak for against this? Yes ma'am please. Name's Rachel Arnett and I represent the apartment community right. The mixed use they are both mixed use commercial districts. The general commercial that it would be rezoned to allow us for more uses than the mixed use district. The MU1 is a little bit of a low level of a of a commercial and it quite honestly prior to our recent rezoning it used to be light industrial right there. So either one is actually less intense than it than it was just a few years ago. And it's being requested to facilitate the inclusion of storage facility there at the contractor's office right there. Yes. Willem so they needed a greater intensity to allow for that use because the current use isn't permitted. Is that answering your questions ma'am? Any other questions, concerns? Mr. Duvall. I move approval. Second. Second. Where's a motion and a second Madam Clerk. Could you read the roll please? Ms. Herbert. Hi. Dr. Bussles. Hi. Mr. Brennan. Yes. Mr. McDowell. Yes. Mr. Duvall. Hi. Mayor Rickamon. Hi. Next is a zoning map amendment for 5.51 acres on the west side of Floyd Drive. It's a request to rezone the property from single family residential small lot to mixed use district. That's MU1. Is there anybody speak for or against this? I know that I had one person sign up. Max Nelson. Good evening, Mayor, Council members. Thank you for your time and consideration. My name is Max Nelson. I'm a graduate of the University of South Carolina. While at the university I was a member of the men's rugby team after graduation. I moved on to play for the City of Columbia's rugby team. During that time I noticed that the rugby team in Columbia did not have a place to call home. They bounced around to multiple recreational facilities all around the city. I'm currently working with Score LLC to work on rezoning this property and get it in shape to call a place home for Columbia's men's rugby team and women's rugby team. The property as I'm told by the current owner was at one time under contract with a developer to develop single family residential homes on the property. It was not suitable for that use due to failing multiple inspections of the property. It is my opinion and the opinion of the LLC I'm working with that this would be an excellent place to call home for this sports team. It's going to be a recreational facility. If you can see in the packages that I brought for you one of the last couple pages there's multiple pictures of the site. As you can see the site is overgrown, run down and not in use whatsoever. Our proposal will bring you know a good positive use to the property and allow an opportunity for our men's and women's athletic programs to have a place to call home and I'm happy to answer any questions that you might have. Just have a curiosity had you had any conversations or the rugby team had conversations with any of the county or city parks about finding sites or talking to them about utilizing existing place just I would kick that question over to Matthew Fox where Matthew's been a part of the program for many more years than myself he would be more answer your question for years we have talked to the parks and recs departments in Columbia back in 2006 and 2007 we actually brought the largest rugby tournament in the United States to the area it was over 1500 people and we had to take it to Lexington because Columbia couldn't find the room for us. Currently we practice at Owens fields but we're having to play a large number of our games in Lugoff-Elgin we've just had great little luck finding a permanent home for us and the more you bounce around the more players you lose it tends to be a situation where oh I gotta practice well I want to practice well they moved practice somewhere else I'm supposed to play a game here and I went to the wrong place for our game it's we've seen the more successful teams in the areas are groups that have a stable home so what we were trying to do is we've been in Columbia for 50 years we have over 1200 past players in the area and we've been collecting money and we're trying to build our forever home so we can establish ourselves so we have worked with the parks groups we tend to get bumped for soccer when you know when soccer comes in or youth sports they let the little kids that put you big kids on the back by that's what you're running to you have children and you have parents and at this point I have a daughter and it's the same thing where you go I want my daughter to be able to enjoy youth sports growing up just like I did and we're kind of taking the stance well as adults we now can afford to buy our home so that's what we're looking to do I do have a couple questions mayor or I don't know if you want to take public comment first well would say you do you have questions for for the gentlemen that are here I'll go ahead and do that and then we'll bring up comp just to for right now based on what you said earlier you have a women's team and a men's team already yes and about how many people are on each of those teams and then you mentioned earlier that you had to take the tournament I think to Lexington would you plan to have tournaments at this location this this place that's it just based on what they said at this point can you give us a general site improvement amount of investment that we're talking here for your use estimating quarter of a million dollars you know what's what's nice with the property right now is a big portion of it is already we could actually set up and be playing on that one within a year or so with very little adjustment having to be made now our goal is at some point to turn the facility into a high end facility with a urban orchard involved in it that would be a lot larger amount money you're guessing any feedback from the neighborhood on traffic upticks that is they have expressed concerns about really no way to improve where we are from a traffic expense you know there are two if you can see on the map there is another very large park right beside here so we're assuming that our traffic would not be a major uptick from what there are but you have fans that come out to watch the games we got to talk about the product here offering here guys you got to answer your question on average you probably have 60 people at a game and that's including players so there's usually 20 players on each team and then maybe 10 or 15 husbands we're not a great pop up to piggyback off that as well when a traveling team is visiting as we did when we were playing car pooling is encouraged we typically took vans the two or three vans to shuttle all the players so that's really going to bring that traffic count way down when you consider that these guys are car pooling and shuttling in transport vans right right but if you love to see everyone come out and enjoy our games and support us you know we we definitely want more free admission right but if you are successful in the the rezoning that opens the the door for other denser which is concerning let me uh lights are we talking about uh athletic field lights we typically play on saturdays um and the games are you know anywhere from two to ten or i'm sorry from ten to two so you know the lights aren't exactly a necessity for the play you know just to to bring up one more point if if there is some contention um i would encourage county council to consider negotiating a developer agreement where we could uh could work through some of these concerns rather than categorically denying well that should be done prior to rezoning i would i would suggest um i just said the in and out is concerning um in the uptick of traffic uh the letter support or opinion from the neighborhoods would have been nice um but thanks for your time is there anybody else who wants to speak before we take some more questions and comments may i recommend members of council my name is ida thompson and i do want to speak to the issue that is on the table currently result regarding the rezoning of that five and a half acres i have as you have been discussing one of the major concerns if i could direct everyone's attention to the map you can see that this property is deeply embedded in the farrow hills faroteras community there's no easy way to get to it other than weaving through a residential community to get to it and so that is a great concern of the safety of our community of our children of our residents for access to and from the property additionally a concern is the atmosphere of the community i know those who are supporting this initiative say this is not an everyday thing but when there are tournaments when there are games when there are rehearsals the atmosphere of the community is going to change concerning the amount of traffic that's in and out of the area so that is a great concern and then another concern that i have that many of you in this room may not have had this experience but having grown up in this area as a little girl all of this area was woods it was nothing but wooded area my brothers and i would walk these woods and cut down our christmas trees this particular area is what we used to call the cesspool that's what it was so i have great concerns about the water what's under this property what has been done to address that is there additional testing required to determine issues if there are any with what is under the ground in that area that's what we called it and that's what it was for this developing area and then how does this fit into the overall master plan for this area is this something that was thought about before is this something that is supported in the master plan for the north main area that is a concern and then you know i'm not against promoting wholesome athletic activities i think that's great i just don't think this is the place for it in our community deeply embedded in the heart of this area which has very limited access and so i would ask you to think about these things continue to do research what are the requirements from the city regarding this property in terms of investigating what is under the ground i know in the proposal that these gentlemen made to us in our zoom meeting they talked about making this an orchard i don't think i would eat anything that's grown from this particular property given what i know about the history of that particular area i'm not being funny i'm being very serious because the water quality as we see across this nation issues with water quality in our communities so that is another question that i think needs to be addressed and so i would ask that there be additional consideration for this that perhaps as you noted earlier mayor that maybe there are others in the community in the organization and leadership of the city who could help them find another location that is better suited that has better access for the safety of the community and the residents it's not a question thank you miss ida thank you for being here mayor public first tracy i am the president of the north columbia civic club absolutely upon hearing and finding out about this in the early part of where we February miss tracy do you mind sticking with the mic it's it's hard to get down to that thank you thank you yes ma'am so when i found about about this in the earlier part of better of February and January yes i seek out finding mr foxworth and i emailed him and waited for his response to say don't speak with us and talk to us about these plans that were rumored i never got anything in the mail there were rumors of something happening people saw the sign nobody really paid attention to it i investigated and found out oh my goodness this is happening so with that they did absolutely look he is passionate about let me tell you i couldn't tell i want him to play rugby somewhere however we absolutely disapprove of the rezoning of that parcel it is embedded as i said in the heart of our community i have signatures i have signatures of all the houses adjacent to it which are dying i have seven of nine of those one nobody lived there the other one no one who was home i have seven of the nine that's actually attached to the property that disapprove i have one that's in front of the property that disapprove and then on floyd i have the six to seven that face the property that disapprove i have half of floyd all the way up almost disapproving i have neighbors on west capinella that will come from ferro to get to the property and i have neighbors on cindy dry disapproving i have signatures from two churches in my community that disapprove i have visitors that no longer live in the community but have lived there and now visit in my senior citizen exercise group that disapprove we are not in favor of rezoning of this property we are trying to maintain a peaceful neighborhood for our mature boating adults this neighborhood is majority seniors i had two in getting signatures explaining them what rugby was matter of fact in our meeting they asked them excuse me sir can you please tell us what is rugby we've never even heard of it so the got a women's team tracy you can join in well from what i read there's a lot of concussions more than football in the sport of rugby so far we disapprove this is not a benefit to our community we were absolutely not anything from the orchards that were supposed to be part of the perimeter and we stand with city staff and saying that this is not part of the master plan and what is part of the master plan and what enhanced the original design for our community and this is not it i ask questions yeah one second miss hampton could you just clarify for me on the map the backside off the baseball field that's part of our park there where's that they're between oh that's the baseball field i can't say with a hundred percent assurance but i'm i believe it is we we can confirm that but again we i believe we lease this land mr ma'am ma'am could you come just based upon what i've heard has there been any conversation with the community and with those persons who are seeking rezoning of that piece of that piece of property uh yes i will repeat we i invited them to a special meeting for them to tell us about their plans all right were those issues that were raised by miss miss ida those issues that were raised by miss ida were those issues addressed or did they address mr fox were were those issues addressed we we gave them a list of things that we were concerned about um i did get an email from mr fox we're saying they were going to speak with engineers because we brought up the i the idea of the soil failing compaction testing and things of that nature and had they did any research about the actual soil and the contaminations thereof but i haven't no and i understand it was traditionally called the what the uh cesspool well the the correct term is cesspool the nickname was dudupon but that doesn't get any better right it does not um the city was sprayed from mosquitoes back in the early 70s because of the problem i guess when i'm asking i'm asking both of you of course has yes ma'am has adequate conversation ensued with those persons who are seeking rezoning and the community and if those questions were asked have they been addressed or at least put on a timeline where they could perhaps be addressed absolutely not well i was going to say and reverend mcdowell i may be able to help i i don't think that they can give them the solution that they want which is they don't want it well that's that's that's primarily what i'm hearing and um it doesn't it doesn't sound like a rugby field it sounds like a cesspool and and and i say that no pun intended but it seems like there has not been any advanced work done that would relate to the community and the community's concerns thank you ma'am we did have that zoom meeting and as tracy said um you know we we heard a lot of information and we asked a lot of questions that we did give to the group for them to research and we even suggested because that was a zoom meeting we suggest that perhaps a face-to-face another meeting that was face-to-face with a larger group of the community would be in order and they could bring answers to those questions to that larger but we've not had that thank you thank you sir yeah absolutely as you'll see on the agenda the proposal is made by SCORE LLC is a very small new organization with limited funding at this time we do not have the financial capability at this time to explore all of the concerns that have been brought up our intention is to rezone the property to our appropriate use prior to investing significant financial means into the project we do not have the financial capability to to do that without having some initial feel for whether we'll be able to do what we would like to do at the property um the term cesspool was used um at the same time you know y'all went out there and put your Christmas trees off of that cesspool it is our hope to improve that property and bring it to something better in that community than a cesspool our hope is to turn that into green space where youth and adults alike can participate in athletic events as you'll see in the the packages that I put in front of you athletics are great deterrent to crime and in this area there there is a lot of crime we're trying to provide an opportunity for something other than we intend to address all the concerns of the community but we cannot invest the significant financial resources to doing so before we have the appropriate zoning I think what I would tell you is is that I would like to see you have a home in a place I'm not sure this is the place or the home and and I understand your quandary because a lot of what's asking but understanding what that property is where it is what's can deal with it is part of unfortunately a development risk and you can't you can't take that risk and I understand that what I would tell you is I don't think their support to to rezone this property where it is I mean it really is little you're not creating a green space you're creating an event space for athletics and totally support that what I would do and what I'm willing to do is try to work with you guys to find a suitable site and it may be something that that we have the state has or somewhere else where we can find you a spot where y'all can put your dollars into the field which is where you really want it to go and so what I would tell you is is that I'm willing to to to work with my team to help you I think I think rugby I have a a cousin who's a big rugby person and it is a unique sport that people that it's a family sport they become family and everybody's involved just like we support the tennis courts there we support the seniors who have time there we need to find you a spot that makes the most sense so what I will tell you is is I don't think this is going to pass I don't think it's the right location I think y'all tried to find the right location and applaud your effort and why you want to do it but I will tell you I think we just got to help you find a spot I need to understand what you need because I do think there's some opportunities that where we could possibly help you find the right spot so that you can have that home in that central location or you can practice and have the facilities that you need in the parking you know all the things that you want to have to make your your days on Saturdays and I'm assuming y'all play more than on just Saturdays but to have a space that that's yours and so that would be my commitment to you is to work with you guys to help you find a home that's suitable and for you to be able to go back to your alumni and everybody else and say we're going to get a place that works for us and makes sense and I know y'all we're trying to do it it is just it's just not the right location and I just I want to be honest with you but also also don't want you to think that we don't want to try to encourage the sport to stay here in our community I prefer you not to go to Elgin or Lexington I prefer you to be right here and I appreciate your comments and I'm gonna hold you to it hey you won't be the first if we vote if we vote on this tonight and he does not prevail as a one-year wait for the next shot try yeah yes sir that's something you need to consider you might want to ask us to defer this I move for deferral Mr. Mayor you don't want to defer it do we really want to defer it you don't want to defer it you want to vote it down and just deny it all together I would suggest that the applicant withdraw all right if you do that then I I would not need to make a motion for that same thing what was that I would have much rev next time talk to me so I can tell you what I rather do which is denied and and mayor that is part of the Greenview Park I'm sorry that is part of Greenview Park the applicants requested a withdrawal right yeah and we would appreciate if y'all could email us that as well okay you want us to devote move to previous question Mr. Mayor there's a motion on the floor what was the motion move to previous question did you ask the motion yes of course we're derating it I'm Howard Boyd I'm former city employee and Max asked me to be here just because I was familiar with location just to let you know the answer to the first lady's question this was properly as a sewer it was probably closed out by a city in 1990 so that answer the first question but as a body as a city I could look at this map and say you kind of got a problem because Max never asked for some use it sounded kind of incongruous with the neighborhood it's like the ladies are trying to say I can agree with that but this to me is a ideal adoptive reuse of this location because like Max alluded to earlier this development was or this area was proposed for development by single family which is currently zoned but physically that's not possible because the way that lagoon was closed out it was not closed out for it was closed out for environmental safety but it was not closed out for redevelopment for single family residential so I just want to expound on that a little bit thank you thank you miss Hampton I still have an issue here in my opinion because it's an old single family and it's not I don't think it's economically feasible for that to happen and it's just a good open area adoptive reuse of almost like a brownfield almost miss Hampton can you confirm again for the record why the staff is recommending denial certainly there's two reasons one is the council policy generally of not having commercial encroachment into neighborhoods sometimes that does happen when you're right adjacent to a commercial corridor however this would be commercial encroachment deep inside a neighborhood secondarily it does violate the north columbia master plan which we just had a meeting on which did call for this to be single family residential understanding that there are potential development hurdles with that but that was a council policy document that we refer to when making recommendations and okay thank you motion to the Mr. Mayor I just yeah I just wanted to say too we just went we just spent a lot of time for those who are here I'm going through the master plan and talking about how much money we spent on these plans and so it's important that when we do have them to follow them and so I am in agreement with planning and denying the application and I will make sure that Mayor Rickerman helps to find another location is that emotion that is a motion to there's a motion in a second any more discussion madam clerk miss harbert dr. bustles aye mr. brennan yes mr. mcdowell yes mr. duvall mayor Rickerman thank you yes sir mr. Hampton excuse me I know you're on a roll and if you would allow me to be just in truth intrusive for just a moment absolutely just a moment of personal privilege mr. mayor yes I want to call I got some students here from W.A. Perry where is she I don't see the students come forward please with miss dolson miss dolson where are you I don't want to keep our students here no longer than we have to you got to do some homework tonight miss dolson hey let me just say a word we have a group of students here from W.A. Perry and of course wanted to get you on the agenda early but of course our agenda is a printed early but we wanted to get you on the agenda so you could at least say a word miss dolson of course teaches social studies at W.A. Perry I think this is the seventh year has also been an employee of U.S. Department of Education they have an interesting program that I have been really excited about and miss dolson I want you to say a word to not only this group but also to my colleagues would you come to you're gonna talk who's gonna talk yes ma'am go right ahead wait a minute go ahead young man good afternoon mayor recommend councilman mcdowell and the entire esteemed members of the columbia city council my name is qualmie brooks I am an eighth grade W.A. Perry student and today I'm here with Zakaia Bryant yes here nanda is Maya Mack Anisa English and tiara robertson come closer purpose for this group is for knowing what we have come from West African culture we are going to two cities in Ghana which is a country in West Africa the first across is the capital and a sister city to columbia South Carolina the second cape coast is a rich is rich in history including the history of enslavement which is one part of the connection between Ghana and South Carolina in addition to studying the difficult and beautiful parts of the of the history of Ghana's connections to South Carolina during the eight days that we will be there we will also participate in a naming ceremony and learn about their style of dress and other parts of their culture is an investment us as we as the future of columbia but it is not only about us but we are in Ghana and when we come back we will give back to both places in some way through community service we are here to share our dream of this transformational journey with you we are also here to ask for your support as a major sponsor this trip will not be possible for all six of us without major sponsors each individual trip costs $4,000 and with six young people we are raising $24,000 we are asking we are asking you to sponsor this trip through special funds that the city has access to or with your own personal network and this sponsorship is a investment that comes with returns these returns are one gifts from Ghana for you a special presentation after we return sharing all that we have learned thinking you publicly in our honor before during and after the trip finally the peace of mind knowing that you are sport supporting the future of our city through pouring into us thank you for taking the time to listen and consider if you can help our dreams and vision to use this time take question can I come up up there to hand you a flag let me just say a word of thanks to every one of our students thank you all so very very much I will personally put the information that I have regarding the uh the trip and our students success in this trip in each one of our council members boxes and they will judge themselves accordingly miss Dawson thank you very much for your insight and for your for pulling this us together and I wish we could have done that early this early on but you all have made us glad in the midst of a in the midst of the zoning presentation and annexation you gave us a few smiles here today we don't call it holy interruption we don't call it holy interruption thank you all for being here today you want to say something miss miss julia come on come on to the mic ma'am quickly that this is a labor of love outside of my teaching at wa parry but of course we have the full support of dr coltrane but the school or the district as a u.s. department of education full bright hay scholar myself i have been to gana nigeria cameroon and then this summer i'm going for a month as a scholar to learn about the connections between south carolina and barbedos so on all of these research trips what i do with our team led by dr gloria butte and others at u.s.c. and also s.c. state and several other universities is we gather artifacts and information to bring and infuse our curriculum with a more accurate portrayal of a part of the world that south carolina has a deep connection to west africa and this and also barbedos this summer but also that has been misrepresented and in some cases erased completely from history books thankfully not not ours in this state but you know there's a fraught history to say the least and so that opportunity put it on my heart and i'll say god put it on my heart after making these trips that i want to do more than bring the curriculum to them i want them to come with me and have the transformational experiences that i've had on the continent and so across the sister city they are working hard they are developing a community service project and we just hope and pray that god works and brings us the people and places and organizations that will help make it possible for them to come with us so um this april across thank you a special place um my my cousins uh were all born in a craw my uncle and aunt lived there from 1948 until 1977 and now they live in caron uh kenya um and obviously we had the mayor of ganna here then the last year um madame mayor was here incredible woman and really wants to create those connections better i will tell you that there's some incredible state department grants right now for projects like this that we need to connect you with the new they just formed a new office at the state department with a former ambassador so we'll try to connect you with that as well to see what's available to help fund that but uh i wish you luck in your journey i will tell you once you've been to africa it will change your life the people the food the atmosphere everything around it um will really uh you'll feel it in your heart and your soul it's really a special place thank you thank you i want to also say a word to milton mac uh he is very he is very uh he's the head chef that's right uh milton wanted to make sure that we got this and could make this presentation thank you all so very very much i yield back to miss hampton absolutely and i won't be offended because you indicated that somehow zoning public hearing doesn't make you smile that's right that's right we'll make you smile here all right so we are moving into a section of the hearing where we are just confirming land use map and zoning map amendments for previously annexed property so you have two items for each address if it pleases council you can take them together 23 and 24 is a future land use and a zoning map amendment confirmation for 8325 old Percival this would confirm the future land use classification of urban edge residential small lot and it would confirm the zoning of residential mixed district that's rm1 is there anyone here to speak um i have to say the sign-up sheet is a little messy so i can't read all the projects on it but it was there anyone who wanted to speak for against this hearing non-seeing none motion for 23 and 24 so we have a motion and a second any more discussion hearing non-seeing now madame clark could you read the roll mr harbert hi dr buster hi mr vrennard yes mr mcdowell yes mr duvall hi may i recommend hi thank you 25 and 26 is a future land use and zoning map amendment confirmation for 3800 overbrook drive and 616 super street it is a request to confirm the future land use classification of urban core residential small lot and confirm the zoning of residential mixed district okay i have several people signed up the first one is patrick mahogany good evening and members of the council can you hear me all right yes sir i'm here to represent the number of in the district that we're discussing here uh and i have a personal and financial interest in what goes on in my neighborhood but i'm going to restrict my remarks today to infrastructure the water system to take one example in this area is more than 70 years old and it is existed long beyond its designed lifespan and also it's overburdened beyond its engineered capacity as a result we have constant breakdowns of water and sewer and if you were to go to that property and stand at the corner of suber and overbrook drive you will see a very large square patch in the road from a major water main breakdown that happened over the holidays this is one of many many many breakdowns of the water system in the sewer adding high density development to this area will tip this system over the edge and we'll have even more problems right now the city can put bandaids on problems as they occur but they can't solve the problem overall because they don't have the facilities the equipment or the people if this development is allowed to go through if high density zoning is allowed how are we going to pay for an upgrade who's going to pay for that how are we going to solve that problem is the developer going to pay for that i don't think so the burden will most likely fall on us homeowners in the form of higher taxes taxes and reduced property values so i and my neighbors are against this kind of high density development we have enough of it already and it has contributed greatly to the overburdening of the system that exists if you take a walk down overbrook drive you will see on your right two large apartment buildings on your left you'll see two large condo development and at the end of this very short street you'll be looking at a large condo development if you look up to the left on dearwood street you'll see two large apartment buildings and if you go to the right down to the end of the block of dearwood street you'll see another apartment building lots of young people are moving to my area and raising families they want to have single family homes and they want to preserve the character of our neighborhood just as shandon has successfully done so i urge you to disapprove high density zoning in this area the other aspect of infrastructure here is traffic if you've ever driven up overbrook drive tried to get on to kill born you have another street coming in behind you at an acute angle and in order to see down kill born to make sure it's safe to pull out practically have to break your neck if we add high density development here we're going to increase that traffic and that's only going to exacerbate that problem probably a traffic light will have to be put in who's going to pay for that the developer going to pay for it i doubt it is the city going to pay for it are they going to be willing to take on that extra expense and burden probably not so i hope i speak for my my neighbors in asking you to please disapprove this change in zoning and help us preserve our neighborhood thank you questions all right thank you very much john colman okay have carol williams to express i live on capers avenue which is directly behind the church which faces overbrook so this definitely affects me first of all i would like to see that property turned into a park because it is full of over 40 trees and just about 20 or so shrubs that are very mature and it's a beautiful property but realistically i know that's not going to happen i don't think the infrastructure will support an rm2 there this gentleman said right now on capers avenue there are two leaks today one of them on the corner of capers and kilburn is leaking for the third time it the same leak has been fixed twice before there was a big south kilburn right before you take left into that area and then they had an issue right in front of the property so i don't think the infrastructure as this gentleman said for water and sewer is ready for such a zoning change also i agree that this area does not now have a rm2 zoning and i don't want to see it come there i don't want to see that precedence i've started there are some apartments i don't overbook there and of course that is in richland county this property is on the line on my street i'm in richland even what i abut the city so what the city does is affects me i worry about the parking there i worry about the number of units that would go there and so i worry about the infrastructure traffic wise south kilburn is a heavily traveled travel road and overbrook and my street are cut through streets between deerwood and hints on down the south belt line and there is a lot of traffic also there's a baseball field who blocks away so i worry about the safety of children in that area when you overload this property so i am totally against this change or in rm2 i would like to see it remain single family zoning but at any rate if you're gonna have to let somebody build apartments there i suppose that at least an rm1 is more appropriate than an rm2 in that area because that allows for 50 feet high we're talking three stories and you know a developer can tell you this is what they're gonna do but once the change is made there's no going back and they can change their mind and i've seen it done many many times so i think on this end of rosewood there are not many if any rm2 zonings i wouldn't want to see them there they're on the other end toward the rosewood hills area and what have you and i think um infrastructure wise columbia city of columbia is putting the cart before the horse if you're gonna add more apartment buildings in this area you have got to address the infrastructure throwing more uses at the crumbling system thank you miss williams you guys could use some speakers point it out that way hard for us to hear hard for us this is my first time here and i appreciate it uh jeff scott mr mayor council members thank you for allowing me to speak this afternoon my name is jeff scott i'm the pastor of calvary baptist church which is located adjacent to this property and i also live adjacent to this property four and a half years ago when i took on being the pastor of this church i had a choice i could live in my home in blackwood or live here and immerse myself in the community i chose to live here and immerse myself into our community and such time i have made tremendous friends i get out in the community my neighbors know me we are trying to build a sense of community and it's been enjoyable my concerns and i reiterate what others have said and what will be said is the infrastructure on november the 17th there about 2022 the main water bank coming down south kilburn burst in front of our church the road was untravelable for three weeks before it was finally finished that caused a secondary burst on uh overbrook right there at suber and a approximately eight foot wide 20 foot long hole up to 18 inches deep was left there for three months uh when i first addressed us with the news media the city came out and put four more traffic cones up and some red tape and that was supposed to be sufficient you know they said it wasn't asphalt season and so they couldn't fix it um i have some doubts about that but as of yesterday the city water department says they have no regulation no records no work invoices for anything done on south kilburn on or around november 2022 and so why do they not have those records another concern is this in our community we have a lot of wildlife we have squirrels rabbits raccoons possum foxes and even deer we get the watch we also have three endangered birds they're federally endangered we have owls buzzards and hawks a couple years ago one of our youth was with me doing some yard work and we witnessed a hawk coming down and striking a squirrel and then started to eat it and this young man was able to come up pretty close to it with binoculars and watch something he had never seen before in his life and maybe never be able to see again but he was fascinated with the nature that's all around us if we keep removing trees in green where are these animals going to live we're forcing them more and more in and encroaching more upon us not that we're scared of them but they are not designed to live in our backyards they need woodlands they need trees they need areas to live in why have i chosen to speak i'll make it very simple quoting ronald reagan if some among you fear taking a stand because you are afraid of repraisals from customers clients or even government recognize that you are feeding the crocodile hoping he'll eat you last thank you sir mr robert third times with char mr mayor um members of council pleasure to be here again i'm just asking i hope like some of the other communities that have been here today it for our south kilburn area in rosewood overbrook leading into south kilburn that you hear us listen to us and i hope please take us seriously i've lived there with my wife since 1986 that's 37 years a single family lot we put in a lot of money into our house into our lot you upgraded in those 37 years this project is just wrong for this space for many reasons one is you come in there's a sign welcome to south kilburn neighborhood pastor's church is right there and right across from that is this huge single family lot which has been pointed beautiful trees on this large lot and now um he wants to put in 31 townhouses apartments on what you like it will change the character of our neighborhood completely and that's why i hope that this council mr mayor and the council that did you take this very seriously because we do have the infrastructure problems at the corner here of south kilburn and super this is really a unique almost traffic plan that's waiting to happen because overbrook runs into super there's really only a way for two cars to be there at that stoplight where it's going to be blocking overbrook now you're talking about 31 townhouses or apartments say even with two people in them that's 62 more people and it's going to be a major traffic problem where there's already a dangerous situation for school children waiting to go to school there early in the morning when i go to work um so the traffic you have the traffic and the water um and in one thing also we've done in our little share of overbrook in this area we've done our share for multifamily housing and more and more they're all over this area and all we are asking council to do is to preserve the character of our neighborhood here by not letting this um project be done now earlier you know we had some discussion well has there been discussion between property developer neighborhood association i'll let the officers of that speak to it but what i can tell you is this kind of from the beginning then and certainly the the first one where the developer talked to us this is what this is what we're going to do this is what i'm going to do i'm going to put on 31 apartments or townhouses and that's what i'm going to do no compromise nothing and i think that's wrong for the community um and i hope that uh any kind of approval is rethought and i thank you for your time thank you sir miss valerie james mayor and council members i'm a retired school teacher and i taught seventh grade for 41 and a half year and i only can do well talking in front of kids so if y'all want to talk or pass notes or you know get up and walk up around the room or throw a airplane that probably would help me feel i was very happy to see the kids because those kids from w.a. perry are from my sister's school of hayward gibbs middle school and i taught at hayward for 41 and a half years and i taught latimer manor kids i know you know the manner and um that's my home and i'm having a little bit of withdrawals seeing these kids because i haven't been around kids in a long time since last year but what i want to say is the neighborhood that we're talking about that's where i rode my bike since i was six years old my mother lives on edmund drive my grandmother lived on bright i rented places in the area when i was in college and live with girls and i've married bob duddock and we've lived in the house since 1986 and a lot of changes have taken place a lot of land was subdivided and little houses were put in and everything seemed to fit we were all okay with everything we've had some bad elements but we have some really good elements and my street is good and when we moved on that street there were already four apartment complexes and we got along with everyone people walked their dogs everything's great okay i love it i want to stay there i really don't want to move you know at this point in my life uh it's great to get anywhere in columbia you know you just pop on harden and you pop on rosewood or beltline or anything else but the problem is i do not think that 37 or however many mr bowers and his people want to put on this property is going to be conducive for a decent residential area the man's house that's sitting there was built in 1946 it was a farm house for that whole area when killburn was the edge of see i know history because i look up stuff like this um history it was the edge of city limits that street and that man's house was right on just the edge just few feet yards from city limits when that whole area wasn't developed at all and i just think when you come down that street make that veer you see that sign that says welcome to south killburn neighborhood and there's mr rayburn's house sitting up there and he used to have purple martin houses up there and he had a cannon in his yard that he had tied to a tree a real like looked like maybe a civil war cannon and i just don't see that house being torn down it's perfectly good house it's better than my house and the land is beautiful but it's only less than two acres and 31 apartments sitting there as you come down that veer that i've done since i was six years old is just a shame and sometimes change isn't good and i'm all for affordable housing but from what i heard from him that's not going to be affordable housing it's not going to be affordable for the type of children that i used to teach and the people that need affordable housing it's just going to be more people on that street and i did account of all the houses there's 11 houses on that street and five apartments and two at the end of the street on deerwood if i put all the people that i know live in the houses and put at least just one person or two people in an apartment it's 140 people on a two block street 140 people you know this isn't new york you know not yet you know i just really want you to consider i want to come in the city i want my street to come in the city i mean i wouldn't mind you taking all the overbrook and bringing us all in but i really don't want you to change the character of the neighborhood that's it and i'm gonna give you a test in a few minutes to see how well you listen to me okay i was in the bathroom i'm sorry you were daydreaming weren't you okay well thank you very much and thank you miss james consideration and i know our ramble but kids that i always did i think that is everybody we had for overbrook is there somebody else for overbrook that's all i have on my sheet so i hello thank you for your time i know a lot of people have become to the podium and being in the spirit of antennas but i'm the actual interim classification to keep it you know the mixed residential arm too because i've read up about the benefits of arm two and if this series going to take the available housing that we have to offer our citizens seriously or even tackle things like homelessness and housing insecurity i think it's imperative that we do take this classification from interim and actually confirm it to be what it is and that we conclude arm two i know a lot of people have come up here and they're proponents of single family detached homes which is traditional and there are plenty of those housing styles in rosewood but i would say you know let's focus on the other portion of this language classification let's focus on the secondary types that fall under arm two which should be you know single family attached when you share a wall you have more town home structures you can have maybe a triplex even quad flex it's not just specifically apartment buildings when you look at apartment buildings at the vast majority in columbia or the ones even district three the last few have been off-campus luxury housing or just luxury apartments which is fine but rosewood shandon old shandon all within district three would benefit from some sort of new housing structure that wasn't primarily single family detached you can't have it both ways you can't have your cake you need it to if you want to take housing seriously or homeless and seriously you have to start exploring the options of growth change development even if it's across from a church even if it makes a former school teacher uncomfortable we have to start looking at the secondary types that fall under arm two another primary reason why i'm here and let me know when i hit the time i'll keep my eye on it there was a flyer going around a line that has some misinformation some false information as it relates to the applicant by what's property management they're not even the developers by what's property management put in the request of the application so they can get the confirmation so they can have a contract sale in order to do anything that property that classification that has an interim it has to go to a confirmed status or something that we all deem to be all you know acceptable what you seem seem to be fit so is the issue isn't even with Bowers property management as far as the developers based on the information i learned today from Bowers property management and also talking with the people with Lafay construction that is where we need to address our attention our efforts i think whether it's my area or the other people come to speak for the other areas there needs to be some sort of mechanism where we can identify when you you know rm2 housing or land comes available and find a way we can marry the developer's needs along with the community not everyone getting everything they want i think it'd be a great location for rm2 secondary type not single family detached along with maybe starting a influence campaign now with your council people with us here and working with the developers say hey can we work on a price point for some units not all but again the issue isn't Bowers they're just putting in so they can do a contract sale we need to take our efforts and not energy and focus on the developer and use our people that we both like to help influence the outcome aesthetically and also as far as the price point thank you thank you please vote to confirm it yeah thank you council again for allowing us to speak i've stated before i 100 support annexation we need to get rid of the donut holes in our community i have said when we were rezoning the neighborhood that i did question some of the zoning classifications especially butting up to this corner but that's not what we're here about today this is going to be developed change is going to occur but we do have valid concerns of what needs to be done for infrastructure roads as i read read the land use it states situated close to the street with a grid like pattern if you read columbia compass and rosewood's 25 year plan it talks about fitting the character of the neighborhood as you redevelop and infill properties all we want is character of the neighborhood preserved and i am not only a resident but i am on the neighborhood council and i understand this is sold this is going to be developed but we do want some middle ground we can't stop it by any means but it's not affordable it's these developments are pricing your current owners and renters out of the neighborhood because when things are developed and priced at a higher price point somebody's going to go buy an older complex down the road do zero improvements to it and increase rent we have no legislation in the state of south carolina to stop rent increases even at 100 percent so this is killing the character of the neighborhood not this property in particular but the fact we are so close to the university and often it is more that student her bedroom price point versus affordability obviously that's a valid concern i can't most likely purchase again in my own neighborhood and i had to stop and think today when i got another call do you want to sell your home and i gave them my standard response six times my praise value cash offer a third an escrow in five days on a 15 day close we don't close them 15 you lose your escrow she didn't hang up on me she stopped me and said what is your real number and if you get six times and all of that please send that person to me oh and then i said i want my seller's commission but i really had to pause and think what would be a true number for me to sell my property and this was be the first time i've considered it um we had a high speed chase with richland county last wednesday if we utilize street parking under the land use which it does say utilize street parking with that gridded design how many of those cars would have gotten taken out anybody because each of those travel lanes is only nine and a half feet not including the asphalt valley gutter we can't accommodate street parking the church shouldn't have to cover the cost to reseal their parking lot is over 12 feet thank you nope the young lady behind you's next she's been waiting hello thank you i'll make it brief i won't repeat any of the uh things said but my big issue is safety as well um she just brought up parking 31 units with 62 parking spaces i don't have a lot of friends but i do get some guests and especially if we're thinking that college students might be living in these units um they're gonna have friends um they usually have a lot of friends and then when you consider it's five or six three bedroom units then now we've got more bedrooms than parking spaces so i think it's a little overzealous and trying to squeeze every drop of blood out of this lot that can be done the other thing is with the location of the dumpsters you know i've sat through several meetings and listened to all the hard work that you've done about beautification and these dumpsters are gonna end up on the streets because i don't know if you've ever watched one of the commercial dump trucks come in but there is no way they're gonna be able to navigate the sharp curves and the parking lot the way the diagram shows it so they're gonna end up on the back and uh what happens then is you can tell every unit that does have college students in it because every may you can come and you can pick whatever chairs beds furniture dressers whatever that are there so i think that's going to become a commonplace as well but one of the things that i love about overbrook especially is the number of residents who are out with their strollers and their dogs and um sometimes it's really taken your life into your own hands but they want to be able to get out and when we brought up the idea of a traffic study really believing that these two roads killburn and overbrook are not going to support 62 cars coming up and down you know when we had the water break it was unbelievable how many more cars were coming down and the rate of speed that they were coming through with when i back out of my driveway as it is now you've got to really um you know be careful about that so the parking again there's no place for them to park except for on the street which i understand is a sightable offense um and and the traffic when we asked about traffic studies he said that costs money no we're not going to do it so i think uh liability wise we owe it to all the future residents of overbrook and killburn to make sure that we keep them safe and not invite them into a dangerous situation thank you ma'am can you say your name for the record cj kittle thank you ma'am something something's ringing my name is melissa crook um thank you for letting us speak tonight i um i grew up in columbia i was born in providence hospital and um moved away have an architectural degree moved back to columbia in 2006 to take care of aging and ill parents and i bought a beautiful house on a large lot down the street on super street um i i'm concerned about i think a lot of us are responding to what we saw at a neighborhood meeting of a plan from the developer that showed this sort of donut shape building that went sort of edge to edge on the street i don't know if you guys have seen a plan um with parking in the middle and um it just didn't seem like it fit the character of our neighborhood of the owners who live in this neighborhood and walk their dogs and play and children who play at the park um so i think our concern was as we counted the number of units and heard that there was a mixture of two bedroom and three bedroom units and knowing that many of these units in even in houses in the neighborhood are full of three and four college students who live there so you start adding up numbers of cars and thinking about where these cars are going to park if there's not even enough spaces they're not even 60 parking spaces inside this donut hole and looking at the the plan for the neighborhood in you look at the sketches you pull up the pdf of this development zoning and you see setbacks from streets and front doors facing the street and more residential looking buildings that fit more with the neighborhood i'm not opposed to having more people live on this corner i just don't want to see the density be as quite as extensive as the 31 units that were shown to us i think that's what we're responding to is our concern thinking of Kirby Kirby's and parking super street is the fire truck emergency access road and quite often you can drive down these first couple blocks where there are students living in these homes and cars park more than off of the edge of the street and if we have people parking on two sides of the street i think there's a concern about how do emergency vehicles get down to the end of the block or even further so there's also as what other people have said i think there's a concern amount taking out all of the street canopy and water runoff and the things that may happen and exacerbate some of the flooding problems that are further down the street so safety tree canopy and not fitting in the neighborhood i think some of the things that we who who are active in the neighborhood wouldn't like to see a little more of a conversation with in how this gets developed it will get developed at some point but if it if the neighbors are are more pleased and accepting and have some sort of dialogue i think it's what we're asking for before it's just carte blanche kind of gone thank you is there anyone else yes ma'am state your name for the right hey i'm trish mclaughlin and i'm just here to support our neighbors over there over brook i live on montgomery which is the street right next to overbrook and i guess we're on the wrong side of the tracks or something but we're in the county so nobody reaches out to us or tells us what the plans are and i walk by that property and i walk through the neighborhood all the time and like everyone else i just want to go on record saying i'm hoping that there's some kind of middle ground here so we can get something that achieves our goals of more housing more affordable housing but also is less dense and i think that's just reiterating what everybody else has said but i want you to know that it's not just the people on overbrook that are saying that but other neighbors in other counties are in the county so thank you thank you there anyone else yes sir get closer to the microphone thank you i'm complaining about city of columbia police office they've been harassing me for over 25 years i'm glad to hear you but right now we're doing a zoning hearing so you have to wait till the end of the agenda and then you can have the mic i'm sorry this is just for the zoning hearing right now yes sir no no i'm sorry i had the week yeah the public inputs at the end of the agenda sorry about that sir i thought you were talking on this issue mishamp and just for the clarification the existing zoning in the county was for what yes residential high density so rmhd i did want to clarify that because it did seem as if some people were thinking there was a change that this was a rezoning when in fact this is an annexation with a zoning that is very similar to what currently exists in the county and so we are confirming the zoning that already exists generally in the county so without this annexation the development could occur in the county however connecting two municipal water services is part of the reason behind the annexation but this development would occur without this action by city council in the county and from here the process would be just so everybody understands if it would move forward what would be the process before the development could receive a permit it would require a review by the planning commission they take the city regulations ensure that those regulations are properly applied to the land so that is that is the next step you will have a sketch plan review first and then the site plan review would go to the city planning so it we have at this stage just so i want to clarify it'll go to site review which means all the plans laid out what's going to happen that will be four and i'm saying this because i want everybody to hear what's what what the next step would be and then our staff would review that you'd have fire you'd have everybody go through that plan to make sure a lot of the concerns we've heard how that's going to be addressed what's what can and what can't be i mean there's not a guarantee that there are 31 units at this point correct correct yeah to be fair that's what we've been told but yeah and before we that won't be established until it goes to the plan through plan review correct after that then it goes through land disturbance and then building permit disturbance permitting so forth correct um is this go ahead uh christ the ucr one is the same equivalent to the zoning that was in the county so the ucr is actually the um the land use but the actual zoning itself is similar to what is in the county rmhd okay rm2 which is similar to what you have in the county and these two items tonight are just to confirm what we brought in that piece of property during the annexation process yes sir you have two processes you you go through you annex the property you establish an interim zoning and land use and then you come back for the confirmation of that and the annexation would then allow for us to have more insight on potential renderings and things because it'll go through our process and not the counties correct for the site yes yeah we do we don't have design review in this area but we do have a site review mr brevin you know much like the developer on divine street committed to talking to the neighborhoods for a compromise you know the developers here if you if you want to come up here and reiterate the willingness to compromise on some of these these items we are still in the path to planning so now seems like the critical time for us to connect on their concerns yes thank y'all for the time and and I have met with the neighborhood association good to see y'all again and we will be meeting with them again before the planning commission review so I've I've already talked with Michelle about that so she'll be disseminating that information to y'all and we'll be glad to to meet on site I think I understand your concerns y'all been very consistent with them so we will just discuss the concerns to see to see where we can come to in an agreement and hopefully present something that is a win-win for everybody great thank you please let us know when that meeting is set Clint you know I think I asked last time they were in front of us a timeline of the infrastructure upgrades that is infrastructure is on us and it is crumbling in South Kilburn in Rosewood this council is committed to those infrastructure upgrades you can see it through the budgets we've passed in the past we are moving forward but it takes time when they meet can we present the timeline and any potential working together on those construct those water infrastructure projects as this project if it moves forward at the same time thank you any any questions I'll be glad to answer anything thank y'all for your time oh Clint I want to echo um I'm curious about the November uh missing uh report could we can we locate that I know he probably doesn't know it off the top of the head because you know we only have a few leaks so he forgets about them all well I think I think the summary of it and we it was a the amount of the construction project required a procurement trigger that that took a little bit longer than we wanted is that correct is there any anyone else mr ball uh mr mayor we we've entertained this neighborhood through annexations several times and listen to them on traffic on infrastructure on on quality of life in that neighborhood I think they have convinced me that they have reached the tipping point in this area I have frequently visited in that neighborhood and I can tell you they're passionate about their neighborhood and I would hope that the developer would work with the neighborhood because I think that uh this but the development that they have discussed with us whether or not it's actually a development that you plan to put in there would be uh in excess for that neighborhood and they need to be listened to that this is this is a residential neighborhood and you need to work with them to come up with something that uh suits suits their character any any other comments um I would say that I think there's an opportunity for us here to as we've gone through this and and knowing that now we can be involved as we finish this process there's some unique things there have been some developers who've created some townhomes that when you look at it you don't realize it's a townhome because there's a single entrance those type of things are the conversations we need to have and talk about density how the trash take all those complete but more importantly the real realist is we we've got to do whatever we can to go ahead and make that investment in the infrastructure I mean that's the most important thing here for the longevity of the entire community um you know we can agree and disagree on some of the things that were brought up you know yeah everybody would like it to be green space forever but you know that that's not the reality of of where we are in today's world um you know there's a lot of traffic there on Sundays and other days as well I'm driven through that neighborhood it's not just this development or somebody else's a lot of neighbors have cars out in the street too I've ridden through your neighborhood I know I think there's a great opportunity for us to do something here to work together um they're they're the planning's moving forward I have faith that you know we'll have as it goes to planning commission and others for us to be engaged I think Mr. Brennan has asked that we all be notified so we can participate too so we can hear as the conversations go on but I think we'll need to to work together on taking care of the the immediate needs of the infrastructure most importantly and I think that's that's our our biggest commitment here today as a council is that we want to make sure that you don't have any more issues so as we've made our plan and spent $120 million a year continuing us into our water and sewer system to improve that um and trying to do it without raising property tax which you haven't done in 12 years so we we're doing our part every chance we can but we gotta continue to do more and we are investing in our community I just want to say that that I would lean to the council member for that district motion to approve is there a second second any more discussion mr. bowers I hope we look forward to seeing you at the meeting and hopefully some really neat designs that fit right in with the character of the neighborhood madam clerk could you read the roll mr. harbert hi dr. bustles hi mr. brennan yes mr. mcdowell yes mr. duvall hi mayor rickamon hi thank you continuing on 27 and 28 if it pleases council also can be taken together as a future land use and zoning map amendment confirmation for 1921 pine view drive this is a request to confirm the future land use classification of urban edge community activity center and confirm the zoning of general commercial is there anybody here to speak for against christa behind you jay mcgummery vice president of operations will say for a credit union i'm here to speak in support and answer any questions as needed does anybody have any questions concerns motion to approve there's a motion is there a second second a motion a second any more discussion hearing non-seeing now madam clerk please read the roll mr. harbert hi dr. bustles hi mr. brennan yes mr. mcdowell mr. duvall hi mayor rickamon hi and your final item this evening is an amendment to the text of the unified development ordinance to establish regulations for smoke and vape shops to add definitions and measurements for these uses is there anybody here just to speak for against or any questions on this i move approval of the amendment second we've got a motion and a second question just going into effects upon approval it went into effect in essence because of your pending ordinance doctrine we actually have been enforcing it already all right thank you indeed it does madam clerk could you read the roll mr. harbert hi dr. bustles hi mr. brennan yes mr. mcdowell mr. duvall hi mayor rickamon hi that concludes your zoning public hearing thank you thank you miss hampton item 30 is an ordinance for first reading ordinance number 2020 3024 authorizing the city manager to execute amendment number eight to amend it and restate an agreement of sale and purchase between the city of columbia and baker and baker real estate developers llc for the sale of parcel a containing approximately 27,664 square feet and parcel b containing approximately 25,444 square feet located on the eastern side of gist street between laurel street and blending street and known as listed in richland county i move approval of the ordinance second motion and a second any discussion questions concerns hearing none seeing none madam clerk mr. harbert hi dr. bustles hi mr. brennan yes mr. mcdowell yes mr. duvall hi mayor rickamon hi thank you resolutions item 31 resolution number r2000 23008 authorizing consumption of beer and wine beverages only at the columbia marty grot festival at city roots motion to form second motion and a second any discussion seeing none hearing none madam clerk could you read the roll mr. harbert hi dr. bustles hi mr. brennan yes mr. mcdowell yes mr. duvall hi mayor rickamon hi item 32 resolution number r2000 23009 authorizing condemnation for easement acquisition for sanitary sewer main along crane creek lower north branch for the capacity of grain resolution second i still think we need to be selling crane crane creek just making that comment duly noted thank you we have a motion and a second any more discussion hearing none seeing none madam clerk could you read the roll please mr. harbert dr. bustles hi mr. brennan yes mr. mcdowell yes mr. duvall hi mayor rickamon hi and at this time if there are any city council committee referrals reports or new business there any referrals any reports of this meeting mr. mayor the latter part of this month at the end of this month of course the administrative policy committee will come perhaps with a report contingent upon council reviewing that report prior to bringing it to council reference and boards and commissions this is not a referral but since we spent our day with planning tonight i did want to commend the planning staff and code enforcement and fire department and all of the other departments that helped us with our community meeting excellent job and pr who helped get folks out they've been working hard thank you any other referrals or comments or reports we are at the stage of public input mr sarge caramel washington mr washington the floor is yours lost my list here hear me pull your mic down pull it down so you can't hear you yeah as i was saying um um these city police officers bother me for a long time i had problems with them kind of too but it was the city for about the last year they were going to my employer they were losing jobs they did that you can address it with i can't even understand it which i did is a misdemeanor we wouldn't sit there open if i had to they had a they have a camera on my house i i truly believe that when i go to do my exercise and i think i'm dealing with organized crime also with uh somebody i go down the street and i can see the cars come well i do my exercise a little dude on the motorcycle came by the size of the dealing roof and just came within a couple feet of me i had no weapon on me and then i was thinking about doing something crazy but i thought about my mother and said uh it'd be easy for him to say self-defense but that's the type of stuff i've been dealing with kind of chocking up a little bit because uh i had anxiety i had calmed down which i do have an anxiety blood pressure high blood pressure diabetes but i still can work i still work but i just lost my job because of them that's the reason i got terminated there was there was time to terminate it was a couple of reasons that they they said because i had maxed out with the money that could have been the reason but i knew they were gonna fire me and i thought they were gonna keep me but i burned my hand right here and uh they just went ahead and fired me right right after a couple days after that you know it didn't totally surprise me but through the stress you know i was doing good though i was coming back making my little money and doing good and i was in a real estate at one time i mean i'm just trying to thank well how much time do i have do i i'm okay yeah 30 seconds remaining sir oh 30 seconds yeah but it is it's deeper than that uh i came here yeah in 2014 also what's it new muhidia get up and speak someone said i didn't get the tape i'll get i'll come i can come back and get this tape right so if i do have to come back i won't be redundant but uh you're choking up a little bit because you know i got to throw it off you know i'm trying to think i wrote an article about the Confederate flag some wise guy at the state newspaper changed my heading that was two months after i got fired from that couple years later i filed for bankruptcy that's sure it's a white guy i was glad my little article i didn't pay for it and um like i said he changed my head and he said and he he read it he said no you don't say that i am because you don't say that they said forget answers you know that was that someone at the state newspaper said you know what i'm trying to do is maybe think that could be the reason why and it's it ain't just them it's overnight crime mostly white guys at first that would just follow me around town i mean you know i wasn't scared because i didn't nobody nothing but it's scary the fact that i ain't scared you know you know it's scary that i can't be scared because i'm single anyway so you know i can't thank you mr washington your time is up mr washington can you leave your contact information so we can look into this and then get back to you but also be able to share the tape with you because that was your request miss miss laura and i just say one thing she has been waiting patiently all afternoon i'm going to be brief this was all very interesting but i'm i'm an attorney my name is laura valtorta and i have an office on 903 calhoun street and the reason i'm here is i want to point out that we've always had a big problem with the homeless population because we're close to transitions it's down the street but recently within about the past four months it has become dangerous there's been a lot of vandalism for example broken windows somebody set fire to my porch the lady who delivers the mail was attacked and they got that guy and and put him in prison we have frequent people getting threatened you know we're going to kill you things like this it's becoming really unbearable and i've been speaking to my the other businesses we're mainly attorneys small businesses we're in frequent contact with the police you know they they they come there i think that there needs to be more patrolling of the area at night in particular because it's just people sleeping on the porches and the defecating in the yards setting fire to to people's property i mean it's just not good the way i feel about it is i could move my law office out of town but i'm a disability attorney and i like to serve the population that gets there on the bus um a lot of my clients are often homeless and i try to help them but the safety concerns are people are carrying guns baseball bats um it is not good and i'm afraid i've been there since 1997 and it's become much worse i i don't know if it's because of new services from catholic charities in the 800 block but the traffic has gotten worse and um i just feel it's dangerous and i would like to ask for some suggestions um if you have a homeless committee or something like that i would be glad to help out um i would rather keep my business in the city we would rather you keep your business in the city i would counselor and first of all i want thank you for your patience and waiting it's it's never easier secondly we are trying to address a lot of these issues and and some of it is exactly what you're talking about so many services providing bits and pieces and thing we've opened the rapid shelter and we've been able to take some of the unsheltered and get them into a process and wrap around service so that we can get them we're going to continue that but we will talk to our police chief who just happens to be sitting in the front row there about uh what we can do and look at the other night but also look around the area um it has been a challenge and and i thank you for for persevering through it because some people have it and it's been tough uh right in the center of the two biggest shelters is right where your office lands unfortunately but we want to continue to do whatever we can to help you and keep you in town we are we are our ultimate goal really is to have an all in and all inclusive campus that we can have homeless in different situations and different with all the wrap around services and everything they need in a one-stop shop where they really can get the the help that they need it gets them off the street it puts back the quality of life um it just i wish i we could do something like this and make it happen because it is we are very compassionate city and unfortunately we're getting to the point it's a tipping point for folks who really want to have the best for the homeless but as you said there's been an uptick in violence we've seen it as well and we're trying to do everything we can i'll ask the chief that when we get done maybe that he can connect you with one of the neighborhood officers and we try to connect and see what we can do to to give it because you need to be able to feel safe at work you can't go in on the weekend or at night without being afraid and i was alarmed when one of my neighbors said oh i have a gun and a baseball bat in the car and i thought this is not good this is going to end in problems more problems than we have now um i think that more services would be great because there's a lot of drug and alcohol abuse and then mixed in with people who are very peaceful and just don't have a place to live so if people come to me for help i'm i have many homeless clients but it's not good when they're trespassing all the time and we're told things like get a mean dog or one one and then what happens is it's okay we don't think that it's okay so um three hots in a cot is not the answer right anyway thank you very much i appreciate thank you for your patience thank you for being here i believe that is everybody who had signed up we we have cleared the room over the last two and a half hours if you're a staff um you ready is there anyone else who wanted to speak this is a public employee just want to make sure i didn't forget anybody mr. may our move we go into executive session for discussion of employment of an employee pursuant to seco 30-4 at 78 one council support services municipal court judges recede of legal advice relating to a pending threatened of potential claim pursuant to seco 30-4 at 78 to lizzie sanders versus city of columbia lake kathryn sewer improvements is there a second second um madel clerk could you read the role yes sir miss harbert i dr bustle i mr. brennan yes mr. mcdowell mr. duvall may i recommend i thank you