 Hello, happy weeky tree Wednesday, weeky tree challenge Wednesday. How is everyone doing? I know it's we have people from all over the world watching so I can't really say specifically good morning good afternoon or good evening. But I hope everyone is doing well. We have it's going to be exciting live cast. I'm going to just tell you right now. I think it's going to be pretty exciting. So we'll probably just go ahead and and just start. So we'll go ahead and introduce everybody who's in the stream right now. So my name is Sarah. I'm a weeky tree team member. And then next to me we have Mindy. She's the overall coordinator for the weeky tree challenge. We have Emma. She is the the captain for Gina's week. She's can't she can't be with us, but we do have a little snippet from her. She recorded something for us. So she will still be with us. Just not lie. And below me we have Joan, who is the captain for Nathan's week. She is very tired from all the hard work. And then we have Nathan, who we couldn't make it with us last week because he was sleeping, but he has come on today. This is why we have it at a different time. So welcome everybody and thank you for everybody for being here. And so for those of you who maybe aren't familiar with weeky tree or the challenge is your first time watching. You may be Nathan posted something and you're like, oh, let's go watch or who knows. I'm going to let me tell you a little bit about weeky tree and the challenge. So weeky tree is a community of genealogists who are working together on a single family tree. In other words, we collaborate to go and to grow an accurate global tree that connects us all. And most remarkably, it's free. And the weeky tree challenge is our year long event and part of our year of accuracy where each week we take on a team of each week. A team of weeky tree years takes on a genealogy guest stars tree and collaborates to make it more accurate and complete than it is anywhere else. Our goals to improve our accuracy on weeky tree, add more family connections and make more friends. So that's pretty much how that goes. And then also if anybody has any questions throughout, please post them in the chat. We'll throw them up in relevant and ask them when we can. Okay, now I'm going to. Go ahead, Mindy. You're ready? I'm going to take it away and tell you about those points a little bit. Now there's two ways you can earn points as a participant. And of course, we don't do it for the points, but that little bit of extra challenge is motivating, highly motivating. So in adding a direct brick wall ancestor, we award 10 points per ancestor than any nuclear family relative. So when you add their siblings, their children, you get one point for each of those. And trust me, those add up. And then can we go ahead and go into collaboration? Collaborate. And this is how we do this. Wicked Tree is a collaborative site. So this challenge event has been wonderful for us. On the left, you see a spreadsheet. We have a new one each week. People can go in, put their names. They have their names down there. They can put the profile they're working on. That way when you have 30, 40 people working on one person's branches, they aren't tripping over each other. They know what's being worked on. On the right, you see the top of the G2G posts that we do. And that's where people can go in under the great-grandparents and say, hey, I broke a brick wall. I found this person. Or sometimes just say, hey, this is what I'm working on. Or this is a question that I have. Thirdly, is Discord. And we couldn't do it without Discord. We have, this is a global site. We have somebody on almost all the time. There are people in there that you can just talk to. You can have them look at a record for you. If you just need a second set of eyes on a profile or you need an obituary. Or you just want to cheer somebody on. Feel free to come and cheer people on if you're signed up in our Discord room because it really does keep things going also. We use Discord a lot. I guess we can, we want to show our, we want to look at the stats first and then the MVPs or we want to look at our MVP and our top five. Let's go ahead and do our MVPs. That would be our most valuable player. So now Carol Keeling was the top five MVP. Yay this week. Carol. Uh-huh. With an incredible 110 bounty points. That was amazing. And then we have Hillary was second. Maddie Hardman was third. Donna Bowman was fourth. And Anonymous Sharky was fifth. And they worked really hard. Let me tell you all of them. So yeah, thank you. Awesome. And the Hillary is watching too. I don't know if anybody else is in the chat. Hillary, yay number two. Okay, let's look at the stats now really quick. I have them. There we go. Let's, let me refresh because who knows what could have happened. I know. We have people that work right up until the live cast working on these profiles a lot of times. So now these are the, the score sheets that we go off of. And it's the status of everything we've done during the week. Now the total points are for each person. Like I said, Carol was our top one. She had 208 points, but total points for all the people working on it this week was 1174, which is awesome. Now we have some people that weren't earning points at the bottom that definitely does not mean they weren't doing anything. Those people that I tell you are maybe looking for obituaries or proof reading or, you know, working on the space pages, which they don't get points for anything else like that. They're going to show up on the list, but because they're editing, but they don't necessarily have points and they're, they're happy that way. It helps the tree. Now created ancestors for you, Nathan was 152 and that's direct ancestors to you. That's amazing on wiki tree. So now I know you had some of these on your own primary tree already and we're counting everything we add in past the great grandparents. But trust me, you're going to find out how many you get that aren't. And then created relatives. Now these would be those nuclear family members I talked about and 412 additional ancestors were added. Amazing work you guys. They just kept bringing them points and it was crazy. Now bounty points. This is a record breaker for us. Nathan, your team did 610 bounty points. That's 61 brick wall ancestors. Ancestors that were not on your primary tree. So yeah. That's not amazing. Now we also have profiles edited and these aren't necessarily the thing you get points for. We have 817 unique profiles edited and then each time you go in and contribute to a profile. So if you add a date, you add an additional source profiles already there, but you go in and you edit it and you improve it. We have 3896 edits in one week from your team. Crazy. And unlike Mindy said, it doesn't count all of those other things people are doing. Right. So those are those are points. Great job everyone. We have a bunch of people watching who were actually participated this week. So great job. They're all going to go collapse after this. So no, you have to work on Gina's week now. There's no staffing. Rest week is not till a couple of weeks. Okay, let's continue now. We'll start to get into the juicy juiciness and Joan, I don't know if Joan and Mindy will probably bounce off of each other about all of everything that we found. Yeah, on the Goodwin line, we had nine great ancestors for a good win. But we didn't break your brick wall. You didn't. Yeah, I'm not surprised. They tried and that one was just solid. Yeah, I think it would be DNA that would break that one day, I hope. Yeah, probably, yeah. Harry Goodwin, your great grandfather was a cement worker in 1901. And then we found him in 1911 and he were a milkman. Now, one of our members have found a lovely picture of him with a milk cart. And we're trying to get permission to use that. So we're still waiting for that. Okay. We also served in World War I with the Royal Garrison artillery. And was discharged in 1919 with two medals. And then we also found a third great uncle, George Goodwin, who immigrated to South Africa with his wife and children. And that one was interesting just because everybody else, you know, stayed in England. Yes, they really did. You were very solidly planted there. Very, very English. I have Caroline Colline. Yeah, this was quite a difficult line. We actually found five direct ancestors on this land on the mother's side of the family. But we didn't break the cold brick wall. We just got to break off the bad news team first. That was one of the brick walls that I looked at. It was just so vague what were happening within that we couldn't find anything. Yeah, I need different information on different censuses. Yeah, it did. Sometimes he was George and sometimes he had a different name. Yes, yeah. I love that picture of her. I'm surprised because she died in 1899. So I was quite surprised to have found that. Family is great. Treasures. Yeah. Yeah. We're a bit fierce though. We're ready for the big busy. Yeah, that one. This is a really interesting line. A lot of stories. One of our members created a space page with the newspaper reports that she found. I think mainly in the Welsh newspapers. Okay. Do I have that space page? Yeah, there we go. Yeah. George Gingel. Job and his descendants. Bigamy Charge. Well, this is exciting. There were actually several really interesting lines on that. Now, Job himself was just a poor agriculture laborer. So he was a farmer, but a few like George that is listed on there. He was a railway breaksman. He was found guilty of Bigamy. And he freely admitted when he got caught with a second wife. Yeah. And when we looked at Job Gringo, we found an interesting newspaper report that gave details of his earnings and his outgoings. They were quite interesting. They were a very poor family. They were agricultural laborer. And we had. We had Sarah, Sarah Simkins. And how do you, do you say that Gingel or Jim Gingel? Gingel. I think. Gingel. Gingel is the way I only say it. Yeah. That one gained new paternal grandparents and the correct grandmother, which makes 10 new ancestors behind her. And there were actually 21 new direct ancestors on George's line there. Now, William Simkins we found and Catherine Christian withers had two sons marry into those lines. So Job and William Simkins married into different lines of the family. And that merged. Wow. And I don't recognize any of these, these surnames. They're all new to me. You're going to have a lot of new names to look at a lot. 661 to be. Wow. For us. There are also some instances in that line of attempted suicide. There were Fred Gringel or brother-in-law Nathan or attempted suicide. They were tied up with the divorce. Yeah. Right after the papers were served. Yeah. So many stories. I can't remember just what happened. Interesting. We got some, we're getting some interesting stories too. Yeah. And then he had a sister, Mary, that committed suicide at the age of 22. So I don't know if that was just a lot of depression going on in the family at that time. You know, because a sign of the times or if that was a physical thing, something that was being passed down. I don't know. But on the story on that, and you'll get to read that they found some really good information on her. And apparently she was poisoning herself with mercury. And so they kind of got the idea. She was poisoning herself at one point. And that's a terrible, painful way to miserable way to die. They got the idea that she was doing this, but they couldn't prove it and they couldn't get her to stop. And eventually she did. She was able to end her life. So she succeeded. She succeeded. And she was only 22 years old. So they don't, you know, the newspaper accounts and the family lore for that particular family. They say they don't know why her state of mind was. They say they don't know why her state of mind was. What it was. She hadn't gone through a great tragedy or anything. She just. Is this the Sarah that's on screen? No. That's the Mary. That was a nose. Gingel's sister. Right. Right. Which is not. It's a. Brother of Nathan's great, great, great grandfather. Got to get all the greats in there. So. Savage. Yeah. We had. Name. All ancestors on this line. Wow. And 17 direct. Ancestors of Ethel Savage. I don't recognize any of those names. Great. Great. Grandfather. Got to get all the greats in there. I don't recognize any of those names. I think I've got as far as. Front to some Maria. And then we have the. The mother. Roseanne. Buxden. Buxden. I guess. Her line too. Yeah. And the parents were found for Maria Wilkins Savage, which it just kind of took off a little bit after that. Her father was a farm laborer. So, you know, not everybody had big stories and that's fine because you had some really hard working ancestors too that, you know, really hung in there and worked those farms. I did warn you that they were mainly. I'm glad we get a lot of farmers. Not very exciting. Well, all family is exciting. I think. They are. Arthur Edwards. We break some brick walls here. I think so. Yeah, I think we did three. Three role ancestors. And we also found the marriage of. William Edwards. And found his wife's maiden name. I can't remember what it is now. Is it gone? I don't have her notes. I don't think she's. People. We have yes. William Edwards. Silver side. That's a good name. Yeah. We can get her parents, but who knows, maybe some, maybe somebody else will come in and find it. And there are a lot of, there are a lot of bread crumb trails on a lot of these profiles too. You know, we don't. Well, some of us keep research logs anyways, but wiki tree is our research log. So you may see sections where it says research notes and it says, oh, I think these are the two possible sets of parents or the parents are definitely these people, but they haven't found enough sources to where they felt comfortable creating the profile. So you may have even more ancestors out there listed. I was trying to find an example of research. Notes, but no, these profiles have its at the moment. Married in Covent Garden. That's interesting. I have to have a look next time I'm in London. Ellingham. You have a lot of Sarah's. That is it. Yeah. Yeah. There were temporary wall ancestors on this line and 14 new direct ancestors. Wow. That's a lot. So. They killed James Shepherd and Sarah Webster. We found new parents for Sarah. Sarah. They had five children and he was a gardener by trade and his wife was only 30 women. She died and James died at 36. So they must have left a young family behind them. Yeah. And it didn't say that the cause of death on the records that we had on the profiles either. There wasn't a correlation with say her last born child. It was a ways after that. So it must have been something else, but she wasn't that old. No. I found a research. Then looking at the ropes line. That's the line that we're in. Centelina. We didn't find anything new. In fact, we used a lot of the information that you've got on ancestry sources. But we did have profiles for the people that we knew about. There's not a lot online at all for Centelina. It's really hard to find. Most of the records are held on the island. So I've had to get the archivists to do work for me over there. Sometimes a brick wall just can't be broken. Just a brick wall forever. Unfortunately. I don't know that we're going to do it again. I think we have a great 10. We found 11 brick wall ancestors on this slide. Super. Plus the correction to Alfred Ashton's mother. Now you had somebody else, but it turned out research show that her name was Ann Wise. Ann Wise Haaland. married an Avery first, then she married Ashton, Thomas Ashton, after being widowed. So I didn't see any records that they found that she may have had children with a first marriage, but she definitely did with Thomas. And they had eight children. And she had actually been running her father's butchery business with her first husband. And when he died, Thomas stepped in and married her. And the two of them ran the business. So that was interesting. It descended through the daughter and not through a son. Yeah, it needs to be. Maybe it happens. And on those lines, we actually wound up with 41 new direct ancestors, 41. On the Ashton side. Yeah. Yeah. Wow, that's pretty. And that's why Silas Thomas came in or the manor still, the Mount Thresher Shrove. Yes. So we looked at this profile, we've added some information, but this newspaper reports we've not looked at yet. And we're thinking we might still make a space page about that treasure trove, but we're not at time yet. There was a lot going on this week. And I did say for people that watched on Saturday, there was talk about a milkman, an excavator and the treasure hunter, but it turns out none of them are related. So they were just all being looked at at the same time, all completely on different lines that turned out. And then somebody found a nice little newspaper report regarding a family reunion in 1939, when a group of brothers got together and their combined age were 457 years. Wow, that's a that's a lot of years. Smith. Sure. That was a fun line to work on. Smith. But did you manage to get past him? Oh, yeah. Yeah, we found a family that we believe is George Angus Smith's family. We hope it's not the family that you researched and went down the wrong way, but we think we found the right family. And I think what gave us the clue were the sisters called Lizzie. Oh, yes. Yeah. And I think Maddie, they were looking at that line and we were talking about somebody's discord and then all at once she says, just a minute, I'll be back in five minutes. Lizzie's giving me a clue and she thinks it's the right family. We all do. Great. It's exciting. Yeah. And the other thing, George Angus Smith, he worked as a lamp lighter in 1911, which was quite interesting. Yes. Yeah. Let's say more about that occupation. His father worked as a clerk and it was interesting that around the time that father was born, it wasn't that long after they actually went from a coil pen to a steel manufacturer pen. So, you know, really easy to picture, put some character into his, just who he is as him sitting there trying to learn the calligraphy and whatnot. Well, what we call a calligraphy pen now was their pen back then. So, I think that that's all of our new exciting finds, 61 of them. That's brilliant. We do have a cool, what was it, this app we've wanted to show? Profile overview. Mm-hmm. It's just super cool. And once you get used to working on WikiTree, you can go into anybody's tree and scroll down below it and look at the different apps that we have, little widgets, different things. But this one was fun for you. Yeah, and if you keep scrolling down. On this? Yeah. It just keeps giving you all kinds of handy. And you can have it start with anybody. You can start with your great grandfather if you want. But it just gives you all kinds of handy links. So you can hover over or click on where it says biography, and it'll show you the biography area in a snapshot. In other words, did somebody write, actually put narrative in there? Or is it just a he was born in 1732? There's links to the BioCheck app. There's links. Source through the sources. It tells you right on there. You'll see a little icon that will tell you like 10 sources. Another profile, three sources. If there were no sources, there's a little red button and it says zero sources. So, you know, that's how we know we need to go to that one. And yeah, I saw one of those go by and it needs to have some sources added to it. Just a really fun way to look at your ancestors. Those shows you the ones that have images. It shows you ones that link off to other sites. Categories. And if you click on them, it shows like connections. Like I see lines behind. Super cool app. We have a lot of great app developers on wiki tree. They're always making neat things to just make it all better. So that's a lot of fun. That's pretty good. And then we have our final chart. Final brick wall chart. That's where we started. That's where we started. That's where we started. When we started, now every one of those spaces that you see the yellow in it, that is where you needed an ancestor. So those were your brick wall spaces that our teams wanted to focus on. And then where you see all that looks like a whole bunch of little dots, the little bees. Every single one of those is a brick wall broken down. That's what it goes to. But that's what we work off of. Well, I do. I assess points using that during the week. And you had a lot of ancestors missing, but they were spread out, which was kind of fun. So they weren't all in the same generation. I mean, you had obviously a lot of research done on your tree too, but we had a lot of fun places we could play in the branches. And then, Sarah, can we look at the percentages? Now this is the fun one because we had such a record breaking week. We couldn't resist, Nathan. And you were doing good once again on those earlier generations. And what the percentages you'll see, we have you when you started with us and then what you were when you ended. So the further out you go, the bigger change that we made. And the biggest changes were generation seven, eight and nine. Now for gen seven, you went from 59% to 78% ancestors now. Wow. Gen eight, you went from 17% to 47%. You're almost halfway through that. I don't know how much. Sorry, go ahead, Mindy. Gen nine math, but it wasn't going to work. Yeah. Gen nine, you went from 3% to 13%. Now, of course, if we'd had more than a week, that number would have been bigger, but people were trying to spread out and do those brick walls. And there are spots where there's those direct ancestors added behind them, but not everywhere. But that gives you a really good jump start. Yeah, it's amazing. Thank you very much. Brilliant. Yeah, definitely. Well, so that's all. I don't know. Does anybody have any questions or Nathan, do you have any questions, comments, concerns, inquiries? No, just to say thank you very much to everybody for your hard work and your efforts and I look forward to having a look around and meeting my new relatives. Thank you. You might not actually go to sleep when we finish. Who knows? You'll stay up with all these things. So I take it we met your expectations and exceeded them at least a little bit, Nathan. Definitely. Thank you very much. Thank you. Our pleasure. Everyone did awesome. Good job. So, okay. Well, if nobody has any questions for Nathan or for us about anything that we talked about, we might just move on to our next. Yes, or Joan, do you have any last remarks before we switch off? No, not really. I said to big thank you to team because they did a fantastic job this week. It's been really good. That's been super great. It was 61. That's a record raking. Breaker raking. Breaker raking. Just say that's big. We rock. We rock. All right. Okay. So next we have, and thank you again, Nathan. Thank you for letting us work on your tree. Thank you for coming on. You know, it's a little bit late for you, but awesome. Thank you very much. So we have next, we have Gina. Filbert Ortega. She could not be with us today, but I'm going to quickly introduce her. And then we have a little video that she made. She recorded it for us and she knew she couldn't be here. So she kind of answered, you know, the questions we usually ask and all of that. So first of all, I'll introduce her really quick. There's usually a picture there. I don't know what happened. So Gina, she's an author, researcher, instructor who focuses on genealogy, social and women's history. She has a master's degree in psychology and women's studies and a master's in religion. She's published three books, numerous articles published in magazines and online. And she's the editor of the Utah Genealogical Association's magazine, Crossroads. And her writings can also be found at the Genealogy Bank blog. Her current research includes women's reparation and citizenship in the 20th century, foodways and community and fundraising, cookbooks and women's material culture. And now this is exciting that we have a video. I know before we do the video, Sarah, do you think we could have Emma tell us a few of the locations that she'll be working on with her team this week? Yes, yes, yes, of course. So we have a little bit for everybody this week. We have a large line of French-Canadian. We have quite a bit in the United States. We have England, Germany, I believe Sweden and Denmark. There may be some others, but that's just the first, you know, few generations out. Very cool. So it's going to be a, we have our usual experts in some of those fields. That's going to be a good week. Okay, so let's go play the video. Let's see. Let me know if you can hear it. I can't hear it, Sarah. Okay, can't hear it. Hold on a moment. Let me try. I should have, should have tried to do this before. Sorry for technical difficulties, everybody. So loud on my computer. Why? So I'm going to attempt a quick change over. Bear with me one moment. We will be back shortly. Usually it's usually it's so smooth and like there's no problems. Okay. Yeah, we don't usually have to run video though. So let's try again. Okay. So I'm going to do one last thing. I'm actually going to open the video instead of, okay. Instead of screen sharing? Yes. Well, the still screen sharing, but actually open the video in the file itself. And we'll see how it goes. Chris says you can't do it on a screen share. Like you can't. What happened? Let me, I feel like I've done a video, I did a video before though. So let me try one more thing. And then if it still doesn't work, I don't know. So let's try this again. I apologize everyone. Says you need to play it from the link and not the file. Oh, you guys let me go a minute telling me that it was. Sorry. I was trying to work with somebody to find out what to do about it because. I thought it was working. I was like, yes. Okay. So. And I'm so okay. I could try to bear with this. Okay. I could. I'm going to download it really quick and stream yard. Let's me actually play a video file instead. Cause I put it on my screen so I couldn't see anything. I just so I, it's very weird how it doesn't. Work because it's so loud on my computer. So. The noise cancellation is causing it. Yeah. Let's try that. Echo there's echo cancel. This is. I am. I'm going to go ahead and put it again. It's still downloading. Bear with me. It's almost done. Almost done. Let's. Hope this works. I am. Yes. And I'm sorry that I couldn't be with you today. Unfortunately, I have other things I have to do at the same time, but I will see you next week. Now, before I answer wiki trees questions for me, I want to say thank you to wiki tree for inviting me to be a part of this. I'm honored and grateful that you're willing to do some research for me on my behalf. Thank you to the volunteers. My understanding is there's about 40 of you who are willing to delve into my family tree and that's very cool. I'm very excited to see what happens and what you uncover. So let me answer your questions and I know the first question is who is my favorite ancestor. You know, this question sometimes makes me a little uncomfortable because it's kind of like when your kids ask you which is your favorite. You don't really have a favorite. And I never know how to answer this. I will tell you that obviously there's some ancestors that are easier to research than others. And so they're a little bit more enjoyable to research. I probably do have some favorites. I don't know that I have a favorite though. One of my favorites just because my grandma used to tell me about her is my ancestor Mary Ann Smith McNeil. She was married to a polygamist. She is my maternal grandmother's grandmother and she knew her. And so I always enjoy learning more about her and I'm fortunate in that other descendants have written about her. So there's a lot for me to read about her. And so she's probably one of my favorites, but I don't know that I have an overall favorite. But maybe you'll uncover someone and they'll be my new favorite. Right. So the second question I have that I was asked to answer is I've got to look it up here. Any interesting stories to share that you found out about your family? You know, this probably isn't going to be real exciting or I don't know, maybe not interesting to anybody else. But what I love about genealogy is obviously we love it and we love the research and the hunt and the puzzle. But I like it when we can pass that on and add that excitement and encourage younger people in the family. And probably a few years ago, I worked with my nephew to do his Boy Scout merit badge on genealogy. And I asked him, who do you want to research? We had done it for his Cub Scout merit badge. So we had already done some of that for that. Or it wasn't a merit badge. It's a loop, a belt loop for that one. He had interviewed my dad, his grandpa and learned about his Vietnam War service. And so I asked him, who do you want to learn about? And he told me he wanted to learn about my great-grandfather, which was my dad's grandfather, Oscar Phillips. And about that time is when his World War II draft card was available. So I pulled that up. We had already looked at his World War I draft card. And so, you know, we knew what it said. But, you know, in between that time, he had served in the Navy. He filled out the World War I draft card. He joined the Navy right towards the end of World War I. And he got married to my great-grandmother. He met her here in California and, you know, had a son. So in the World War II draft card, he's older. And on there, it talks about having a tattoo. And that tattoo is of a Cupid doll on his chest. So when I bring this up, my nephew starts laughing. And he's like, what's a Cupid doll? And, you know, that really reminded me because I'm such a huge fan of social history and adding context to your genealogy and not just looking at name states and places. How important that context is. So I explained what a Cupid doll was to him. I showed him some examples. At that time, my dad was still alive. So I asked him, do you remember this tattoo on your grandpa's chest? And he said, that's what that tattoo was. You know, by the time he had seen it, probably in the 1950s, early 60s, it had not looked as crisp and sharp as it had when he had it done. And so we talked about that. My dad gave his experience of seeing it. We, you know, we did some research on Cupid doll tattoos and actually they were very popular during this time period of, you know, between World War I, the 1920s, that kind of thing. And so, you know, every time I see my nephew, he says, remember that Cupid doll tattoo? And I just, I love that because, you know, names and dates, that's boring. But here's this Cupid doll tattoo that has, you know, made genealogy seem a little bit more alive to him. And so that's probably one of my favorite stories. You didn't know tattoos can be so interesting. And I'll tell you just, you're probably not so interested in this. But so for that research, we not only looked at his military records, but we also looked at the history of tattoos, especially for Navy guys and World War I Navy guys. I looked at the history of Cupid dolls. I looked at the history of Cupid doll tattoos. I looked at flash tattoo flash for Cupid dolls. So we could kind of imagine what it must have looked like based on what my dad remembered and also what seemed logical. So really the only thing we didn't do is try to narrow down where in Southern California or San Pedro, he got it. But it was fascinating research. So now the next question I was asked to answer is when did I first discover wiki tree? You know, I've known about wiki tree from the beginning because I knew people who were volunteers and who worked with wiki tree. I've met Chris many times at conferences. And so I've always known about wiki tree. Now I have to admit to you that I've never had a tree on wiki tree. So I've used it and I've looked at it and that kind of thing. And I've written about it in articles and courses, but I've never used it before. So this was my opportunity to try it out. And so I'm grateful for you guys for helping me. And I will admit I've had to ask questions because I wasn't sure how to work it. So I also want to say before I go on to the next question, you know, you guys are the ones that are so important in genealogy, volunteers. Genealogy has for a long time been a volunteer pursuit. And the reason we have certain knowledge, indexing, digitization, you know, genealogy websites, wiki tree is because of the power of volunteers. And they're wanting to give back and to help others. And so it's because of people like you that the genealogy world is so strong. So thank you. All right. So the next question is what's my current brick walls? You know, some of my brick walls have to do with obviously not being able to go anywhere and not being able to research on site. Some of it has to do with materials that are archival in nature, not being able to get there. But but also maybe not even existing. Probably one of the long term brick walls we have. It's on my dad's side. It's his Chatham line. So his grandma, Oscar filibrit's wife was Mary Chatham. And I know quite a bit about her. I knew her. And I know a little bit about probably her grandfather, her great grandmother. So they go back. They go from California to Texas to North Carolina. And so one of our brick walls has to do with the North Carolina Chathams and kind of the Martin Chatham, who is. Oh gosh, he's he's alive around the mid early to mid 1800s. He has sons who go to the Civil War. In fact, one of my ancestors, he is in the he goes to Texas and then he's in the Civil War. And that branch is the one who comes to California. But Martin Chatham. We never have been able to kind of get past him. There's some people in town who have a similar last name. And there's been some people who've thought that maybe they're related somehow, but we've never really been able to tie him back to, you know, any kind of parents, basically. So now I will admit to you that I don't know if some people have used some DNA to do that. But that's been one of the brick walls for a long time. I think for me also on that line, his son, who is my ancestor, Moses Henry Chatham, you know, he leaves North Carolina for some reason. He goes to Texas and boards with a family, marries their daughter, goes off to the Civil War. And he is later murdered once he gets home. And so some of that story, I've gone to Texas. I've done research in the courthouses and everything else. Some of that story is a brick wall because there's just no extant records. For example, his burial. There's no extant burial marker. We're not even really sure. We pretty much have decided he was buried on their land, but you know, there's no proof of that. So there's stuff like that. The nice thing about that family is there have been questions even after we went to Texas and did research. And over time, new things have become available. So that's probably one of those I need to go back and see if there's anything more available or not. But that's one of the ones that I have. All right. Our next question or our last question is, what do you hope to see in participating in the wiki tree challenge? So I thought about this a lot. And when I was initially approached, I thought, I don't know, you know, I was kind of hesitant. And then as I started putting my tree up on wiki tree, I realized a few things about me. And this is probably something you've noticed with other guests or maybe it's just me, but people who work in the field of genealogy often don't get a chance to do their own genealogy. And so I realized that there's been lines that I've done quite a bit on, and then lines I really haven't for whatever reason. And stuff that I thought I knew and then realized I had no idea. So I think for me, what I'm hoping is one of my lines, which is off my dad's side, so it's Filbert, and then it's off my grandmother's side, the Montgomery side, there's a lot there that actually I don't know. The only thing I know is from a family history book and it's not source-sided. And I think what happened was years ago, I just entered the information into my genealogy software program and thought, well, I'll get back to this someday. And I never did. So, you know, there's these families there in, in fact, some of them I didn't even remember where they were from. You know, they're back in Ohio, they're in Pennsylvania, in Virginia. There are surnames like the Montgomery's and the Harshbargers and the Riddles and the Ranks that I really, I don't know anything. It's unsourced, it's from a family tree book and in some cases there's some stuff in that family tree book, but not a lot. And so I think as I was going through this and adding some information and, you know, I was mad at myself for not having explored this, but also I realized just how little I knew. And so obviously I would love to hear more about that and learn about what you find on that. You know, if you find some great stories about female ancestors, obviously that's one of my interests. So that would be cool. So I'm just ready to hear what you find. And, you know, the nice thing about a collaborative effort is some people get interested or have expertise in something that I don't. I don't have expertise in German research even though I have German ancestors. So I'm just excited to see what you uncover and what you can find. I think that's going to be exciting and I look forward to building upon that. So once again, thank you for inviting me. It's great to be with you virtually, but I will see you next week and hear what you have to say. Take care. Okay, it was muted. But after some technical difficulties, that worked, you know, learning curve, learn something new. But that was Gina. We're very appreciative. You end up watching this later. Gina, thank you so much for doing that for us. And we had a bunch of people chatting. Benjamin asked Gina a question pretending she was here if we can use her photos. Did we ask her that beforehand or not? Cindy, Emma? As far as I know, we can. I'll verify it though and I'll let everybody know. Okay, so we'll ask that. It sounds like one thing she's asking for is for us to expand on the resources she already has on some of the already identified family. So that will be a really good goal to meet this week. It should be a good week. Did we have any other questions that maybe or anything for Gina or if we want to ask Gina or, I don't know. If not, we might head off for the evening. Yes? No? I'm going to take that as a no, no more questions. I think they've abandoned us to go work on the tree. Probably. Yeah. So with this week, since we, because we usually have our live stream at eight, but because we were accommodating time zones we started at five. So it did start at five instead of eight. So you can go start working on it. Get those brick walls and see if we can do better than Nathan's week. Can we break more brick walls? Can we do it? That'd be pretty hard. Who knows? When we put our wiki tree or to the test, they always succeed. I'm also amazed at how much we do. It follows my mind. Mm-hmm, yeah. All of you always so. We'll do so. Yes, we'll close up unless there's anything last minute we want to stay asked to. But thank you everyone for watching. Thank you, Nathan again. Thank you, Gina. If you end up watching. Thank you, Joan. Thank you, Emma. We really appreciate you guys being captains. And thank you, Mindy. Nothing they would notice would be possible without you. And so next Wednesday, next Wednesday we'll be at the regular time, 8 p.m. Eastern Daylight Savings time. And we'll have Gina on. And do we have, she's by herself next week because it's a rest week after, correct? Yes, she is. So it's just going to be her wrap up. And then we have a rest week so you can take a breather. So one more week to go. And Saturday at 10 a.m. Eastern time, we have her usually usual Saturday weekly recaps where we talk about everything weekly tree. And yeah, that's, that's about it. And then don't forget people to come back after the rest week for even coiting because she is going to be the most challenging set of branches we've had so far. Yes. That's going to be a very fun week because we've most, she's going to be, we've had Ingle in the United States and Canada. So she's going to be our, you know, different. It's going to be, it's going to be a different week for sure. So I'm excited. We're getting all these new guest stars on. So yeah, and that, that's all folks. We will see you next time. Keep an eye out. We will be posting the highlights on weekly tree, share them around. And we will see you Saturday. So next, next time I'll see you guys. So goodbye all.