 What's up everyone? Obviously, you know, this is James. Harry and I have been talking now for a couple of weeks about more ways that we can give back to the community. And something that we've really wanted to do for a while now is to restart the MIC After Hours podcast. We both kind of really like each other's tabs a lot of the times, you know, but I think we talked to each other about more the emotional side of trading rather than actual like the technical and fundamental side of it and actually what we're doing. So that's something we kind of wanted to bring into the podcast. Everyone knows all the big traders out there. We know Alex and Bao and Diotash. We know all the moderators as well. But, you know, we know their journeys, but we wanted to kind of dig deeper into the emotional side of their trading journey from start to where they are now. And we think that's a little bit more personal, like more personal into each other's lives. And we want to get to know everyone a little bit better as well. I know Harry's really been wanting to do this for a long time. So you can take it. Yeah. So I guess we were just kind of do like more of a more emotional timeline of your journey. And I guess probably the best way to start off would be like, you know, how are you feeling after you sold the rems off your car and did it positively or negatively affect your trading? Like what was that like for your mindset and how did that affect your kind of mentality going forward? That's a good question, man. So number one, before I answer that question, I want to like, I want to like make this podcast like fun to, you know what I'm saying? We don't always have to talk about trading. We'd always have to talk about the stock market. Yeah. Me and James, like we had like a house party a couple of months ago. So like I'm probably going to bring up some stories about that. But to answer your question, to be, to be just like 100% honest, man, that was my last shot, right? Like it was either make it or break it there, right? I needed something concrete to tell me that shit. If I was not able to do this right now, I was probably never able to do it. And Bao has a similar story that he took a mortgage out on his house to fund one of his trading accounts. He took a bet that big on himself. So that was kind of my way of taking a bet on myself because dude, to make two grand, I would have to work fucking, what is that for? I would have to work four or five years to Starbucks. You know what I'm saying? Like I can either work four or five months where I could sell the rims on my car. And if I fail, I would have to go back to work for four or five months to make that back and go back to do what I was doing, you know? So did you feel like after that last two grand, were you going to try trading again if you blew up? Or did you kind of in the back of your head feel like, shit, this is it. This is the last chance for me. If I can't do it now, I don't know if I'm going to try this again. Honestly, bro, that's what I said to myself back then. I said, this is it. If I don't get it, I'm never going to do it again. But if I had failed there, I would have found another way to make some money to get back to it. I think to be honest, I would have just fucking found out. I would have sold my Xbox, dude. I would have fucking sold my fucking shoes. I would have sold nothing left, you know what I'm saying? Just because I believed in myself that much. And I already was kind of, I was passionate, man. Like I wouldn't be excited to watch videos. I would be excited to like go on YouTube and research. I was excited to do this shit. And people always told me that like you would never be successful unless you did what you love. And I was like, I hate fucking everything, bro. Like everything fucking sucks. I'm not good at anything. I'm not athletic. I'm not that fucking good looking like I suck at everything. Right? So yeah, I said to myself, here I am. I found something that I like. I don't love it yet, but I like it. So I might as well try to take advantage of that at least, you know? So that makes sense. So at this point, you were what 19 years old? 19 man, 19, I think you're 19. I think I'm 25, 26 now. Shit. So you come from like a pretty hardworking family. Like we know the story of like your father and I was actually just listening to the old app that I was podcast today. And we know how hardworking a guy he is and how hardworking you are. But did they see day trading like the same way you do? Like did they see that there was like some sort of light at the end of the tunnel that actually could be like it was the opposite. Because my dad lost a metric fuck ton of money in 2008. Like a shit load of money he had a bunch of investments in the stock market. And he was the guy that fucking panicked out at the bottom, obviously, because he has no fucking clue what he's doing. So there's no investment like like buying like, like serious XM sandisk. I think he told me he had like Netflix at like 80 bucks or some shit. And he sold that like 76 or I don't know. I don't really know. But he's clueless. Clueless, clueless, clueless has no fucking clue about stock money doesn't even know anything. If anything, bro, if he tries to put his money to the stock market, he like loses every time. It's like, if you do the opposite of what my dad does, you'll fucking make money. It's like my parents hated it. They said I was an idiot. They said I was a gambler. They said I would lose all my money. They said I would shouldn't be wasting my time with it. In college, in college, I was making a couple hundred bucks a week trading. I would pay off the kids in my class to help me with my test to my homework. And I would go to my parents, I'd be like, look, I'm making $2,000 a week trading, right? I'm making two grand a week trading. I want to drop out of school. School is taking too much of my time. Like I'm done with it. And they're like, no, you're eventually going to lose all of your money, stay in school. Meanwhile, my brother Alan dropped out of school two years late, like he dropped out of school as a sophomore. So like, after they realized that like school really wasn't the secret, then they started to be more comfortable. And after a certain point, when I started making, I think the turning point was when I made $60,000 on CLTX. And that trade afforded me to be able to go to the trading conference in Las Vegas with my dad. And that conference is where my dad and bow met for the first time ever. Oh, shit. I was so cool. Bow was presenting. And I was just in the audience. I was just fucking watching this me and my dad. And my dad's like, this guy's fucking smart. This guy, he's doing I like this guy, right? So ever since he saw a bow presenting and seeing that he was a normal guy, and not like a Wall Street snobby asshole, then he's like our salesman. Yeah, maybe there's potential here, right? Maybe there's this is before me and bow were ever friends. He was just funny. All or as do that made $1.4 million on Fannie Mae, you know, that's funny as hell. And it's funny that your dad kind of sense that about bow too, because I think everyone gets that same emotion when they're talking about like, we know he's an animal. He drinks a lot. He's a savage. But he's a genius. He's like a savant when it comes to this. He's my dad doesn't have a person that he grew up in a village where his entire house was the size of my office. He had three brothers and four sisters. His dad was a poor blacksmith, right? Blacksmith literally fucking like, you know, my dad was a Christian. So when he lived in the Middle East, if you were not Muslim, they threw like rocks at you. You know what I'm saying? So my dad's dad, who was a blacksmith, built them fucking metal rods to beat the shit out of anyone that threw rocks at them. So he came from very humble beginnings. So he thought that most of these Wall Street guys were assholes. They were scumbags. They were fucking assholes. But going to that conference in Vegas is what made trading and stock markets seem at least not a scam at that point. And at this point in your career, you were like pretty, I mean, obviously very consistent, I'm assuming, right? This was early in my career, I would say maybe year two of my journey when I was just really starting to get really the hang of it. Like that CLTX trade CT, I can't remember the fucking ticker. That trade was the trade that I didn't even realize what the hell happened. I just treated and then I looked and I was like, what the fuck did I just do? You know what I'm saying? I don't even know in the moment what the hell was happening, you know? So you I'm guessing you told like your family like what you did and like how much you made. So how did they kind of like, how did things change from there on out? Like were they now more into the idea? Same with friends that were people kind of like, oh shit, like now this dude is like, this dude's a baller like he's now making a funny story. After that trade or after I went to Vegas, they still thought that I was going to lose all that money, right? They still thought that I was going to lose all that money because it was beginner's luck, they thought, right? Because my parents again, remember, they come from a family, a background where education is the only way to escape poverty. You have to become like a doctor. You got to become a fucking lawyer. If you don't go to school, you're going to be broke forever. And here I am gambling, making all this money. It's like they're embarrassed by it, you know what I'm saying? Because it's not traditional, right? It's not traditional. So the point that got me to for my parents to really believe in me or to really start thinking that this was real was after my first six figure day. After that, that is when they start to say, okay, maybe there's something here. Yeah. Oh, shit. That's pretty cool. Harry, your parents are the same way, right? Your parents were kind of kind of not against it, but they weren't really necessarily believing in what you were doing. So like, yeah, I started like super young, like, I mean, I was in like, basically, I got like a really bad concussion in like grade 10, grade 11. And I was like, I'm at my grandparents right now, because like my house right now is just too hectic downstairs in my dad's office, my dad's just on a bunch of conference calls at the moment. So I just came here and brought my laptop. And yeah, it was like, you know, great, like, I guess, like this summer, grade 10, grade 11, I just saw these like gurus on YouTube, like, Oh, yeah, you can make a million dollars doing this, make a million dollars doing that. And I guess I have a different kind of family story because my grandfather has been like pretty successful in the stock market, like, with investing and just like kind of going long term, because he'd been just kind of investing like since he was like younger. And so they were like, they wanted to see me, they were like, Oh, so you're going to invest this like money that we're giving you because like basically my grandparents were like, okay, like, we'll help you get set up, like, we'll give you kind of whatever, like you need to get started. And like, I had a job as well. So I was just like, putting money into like these OTC stocks. And it was just kind of like that OTC, I was just buying random OTC stocks, like, that's, I mean, that's like pretty much it. So I eventually lost all that money. And then I guess like in like, you know, grade 12, I started like kind of short selling because I saw so many, so many people just short selling and that was the only way to make money. So like, I basically asked my dad to like create me an account, like because I was like, yeah. And so my dad just created me an account was like, yeah, you can just use this just like, don't go into debt, basically. Yeah. And so you guys are fun. You guys are funny, because I didn't even tell my parents that I even gave this a shot. I was like, fuck, no, my dad is going to slap me across the face and tell me what I'm doing is stupid. Oh, yeah, I kept the secret for a while, man. But after a certain point, they walk into my room and I got charts moving up or down, they start figuring out. Yeah, the first though, I remember the first day, I remember the first day I made $1,000. I told, I was like, I call my dad, this is, you know, two years ago, I'm like, dad, like, I just want to show you like, this is what I'm doing. And like, this is legit. And he's like, but how much could you have lost? And I'm like, this course, I didn't understand like, I don't know, the parents thing was weird. And I think that I remember, bro, that like parents, all they care about is like their children's well being like, yeah, my kid told me that he wanted to be a fucking professional gambler one day. I be like, are you fucking stupid, bro? Go back to school. You know, you want to be a trader? I'm gonna carry that small percentage of people that actually who work hard and who have the talent for it that find extreme amounts of success. Yeah, that's true. And so I guess I kind of can like, like put us into our next like conversation, which means something Harry and I talk about almost every time we talk. But dating and friends. How like, for you, Alex, at least yeah, how, how has your life changed since like, before like, just like simple dating to now, like, do you, is it tough dating like with this like, because trading as people think it's like, yeah, you only trade an hour a day. But like, you're here 24 seven. And, you know, then you talk about the whole like, idea of money and everything like that. Like, how has friendship and that side of your life changed since since trading to now and all that. So I never told my friends about my trading life for like the longest time. I think I told them maybe maybe year three or year four of my journey. Right. And that is because I didn't want them to look at me in a different way, or to think differently of me. I just kept my head down and kept grinding away. And I think one day I got drunk. And I think I was like, up a lot on our trade. And I think I like showed one of my friends and we asked what I do like this that 300 grand this year XYZ like, you know, like, just kind of explaining that whole process. And they were like just in shock. And now it's like, now everyone knows me at the stock market guy right like anytime anyone has a question about the stock market or when coronavirus happened, I got 100 phone calls a day. I got girls that I've never that haven't talked to me in months hitting me up about stock tips. I got people that never traded a day in their life, opening up each trade accounts and doubling them because of coronavirus. So like, it's kind of changed a lot. It's been dramatic in terms of friends. But I mean, the way that I like to say it is I like, I surround myself with people that don't really care about money, right? So like my friends are business owners, they're hardworking people, they grind, they understand hustle. So if anything, if anything, my friends keep me humble, right? My friends keep me humble. But there's definitely certain times that I go out with my brother and go partying and do this and that. So I think having a balance of splurging and having a balance of being humble is the key. But to be honest, when it comes to dating and women, it's a fucking clusterfuck, bro, all someone has to do is fucking Google me, right? If someone just fucking Google me, they'll find all this information on me, right? So I mean, it actually happened a while back that I was talking to a girl from Texas. And long story short, she Googled me and she saw some shit about trolls. And she was like, Yo, what's your deal? Like I'm seeing this shit online. Do you believe like all this shit online? You know what I'm saying? But that's, that's kind of what's been happening too. But what I used to do, which I learned my lesson was anytime I had a date with a girl, I would always pick them up in the nice car. That's definitely the wrong thing to do. I always pick them up in the beater car, because I want to see how they react with my Jeep, rather than the sports car. You know what I'm saying? That makes a lot of sense. I mean, no jewelry first day, no ice, diamonds, not that shit. That is like, I mean, but even you like, you make a fuck some more money than both of us. And like, even when I go out on a date, like the first thing I think of is like, is this girl just into me? Because she knows I do okay for myself. Like, is that girl actually want to like chill? Or is this like, you know, yeah, I'm the type of person that when I go on a date, like, I'm fucking doing the whole thing. I'm going to a nice restaurant. I'm doing a nice, nice bar, nice that because I prefer to do the nice things. I work hard. I feel like I should go get a nice thing. I feel like I should go to a rooftop bar. I feel like I should do that. I should do this. They get exposed to that lifestyle. And then that kind of fucks up everything as well, because I'm not just going to go to Outback Steakhouse just because I'm on a date. I want to go to Peter Luger's because that's what I enjoy. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Now, you're at a weird age because you're younger, right? So like you when you bring people out, is it weird because you're bringing them to places they probably wouldn't go? Like otherwise? Or is it like, hey, where you're from? Like our girls used to this? Is that like kind of the usual? It depends, man. It depends. Like, some people like the bar or some people like the club. Some people like this, some people like that. For me, dude, what my if any girls watch what my ideal night is to go out, get some food, get some drinks, get a little bit fucked up, watch some Netflix, hang out, go outside, you know, just like, I like the more chill environments, whereas Bao is like, party, girls, drinks, shots, champagne showers, like that's how that's how Bao is. And that's fun. Don't get me wrong. For me, I prefer the more quiet stuff because outside of trading and outside of all these videos, I am extremely introverted, extreme. Yeah, that's funny. Harry, what about you, bro? You've been I've heard stories about you before. Well, yeah, I mean, I just want to I just want to Well, first, I kind of want to address like I think that you did it right because for me growing up, I always had like my friends like super, super close to me. And like, you know, like, I have like one of my you know, I have a good friend who lives across the street. And you know, he would come over and I'd be like trading and he'd be like, holy shit, man, like you're up like five grand right now. And mind you, this is in like, I'm so young, right? Even to be like, when I think about that now, I'm like, that's mind boggling. How I just like somehow, I don't I don't even I don't even know how but somehow I'm up five grand, I sell it. And everyone because I'm from a small town in Canada, everyone knows. So instantly, I go to a party in like grade 12, it's like, Oh, you're this big baller now. And it's like, you know, I only made, you know, like five grand a day, people are only five grand a day. And I'm like, no, like, you know, that's like, you know, and so basically, like, I just kind of got labeled as that like kind of reputation. And like, I obviously I still trade now. So it's not like I just like quit trading. But like, it has been hard for me with like, you know, going out with my friends because people are like, Oh, well, you know, you made so much money. Like, but like, and like, I've even had to like stop talking to some friends because it's always been about money and whatever. And, you know, just doing stuff like that. So it has been kind of hard for me as for girls. Obviously, that's been kind of easier because like, you know, when I was in health acts, I could kind of get away from that a little bit and like kind of talk to people like without like, people actually kind of knowing who I was because like, people couldn't Google me like, you know, they could Google like Alex, you know, they're seeing my shit, they're seeing videos, they're seeing YouTube, they're seeing this and that. Yeah. So people couldn't like find me as as like, you know, as crazy like that. So I wouldn't even bring it up at all. I would not talk about like, yeah, we I go to like a nice restaurant with a girl or, you know, do you tell women what you do, Harry or James or what do you would let's say let's say you're out on a date with a girl, right? And she says like, she says, what do you do for living? Like, James, that's such a nice watch, right? It's like, yeah, I don't know how they would say I the few times I've tried to get into it. It's like, I'm first of all, I end up just talking way too much and blabbing about how much I love what I do. And you can see the glaze go over their eyes. And I think they're just wondering, like, is this motherfucker going to buy me drinks? Or are we just going to like, talk about this forever? Yeah, because I just blab about it. But no, now, like, I don't even like to tell people that's what I do. Even even my best, like my best friends are the only people I really know. Because yeah, I started telling girls that I was in dental school because nobody was a dentist. There's a big dentistry school, where where I was like living. So I was like, yeah, I'm just, you know, in dentistry and they're like, Oh, that's cool. Yeah. No one wants to talk about a root canal or a filling or some teeth whitening. So it just moves on to them. And that's kind of how it how it just kind of goes. I was gonna say for me, what happened was when I was first explaining what I was doing to girls, first, I would say, I'm a stock trader. Number one thing, oh, you're an asshole, you're a scumbag. You don't care about yourself. Yeah, I tell them people that I was stock trader. I started telling people I was a professional gambler. I explained that then they're like, what the fuck are you talking about? So I forgot that. Now I just tell people that like, I worked from home. I'm a teacher part time. And that's like, I just ended right there, right? It's not a lie. Yeah, I don't want to get into details. I don't want to talk too much because anytime you mentioned the stock market, stock trading, there's a negative image associated with stock traders. They're all greedy, scumbag, bad, bad mouth talking, like disrespectful people, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, I think it goes one or the other way because it has that image. But then like, like I tell my girlfriend when we meet her friends and their boyfriends, I'm like, do not tell them that I trade. Because usually the other way it goes is they start asking me questions about fucking Apple and where I think Amazon's gonna go. And what do you think Hertz is going? Is Hertz gonna go 10? Is Amazon gonna buy Hertz? Yeah, I'll never forget. I met my girlfriend's best friend's boyfriend or whatever. And he's at I forget the name of it, what ticker it was, but it was a recent company that just put out the most the shittiest news. It was like such a turd. Everything he's like, dude, they just said that they're gonna cure fucking coronavirus. And I'm like, I was like, I'm gonna put 10k into IBO or whatever was in a Mike. Yeah, man, I mean, I don't know, man, I don't I don't give investment advice. Yeah, I have no idea, you know, it goes one or the other. But I did, I get a man now, dude, it's like, bro, I get people call me all the time, dude, all of my friend hit me up today about give me a sec. He texted me about SNES stock, which is a 40 cent stock. Yeah, my reply was this, I said, 99% of penny stocks are scams and we'll go down long term. It's probably not a good investment. Which is true. See, that's honest, though, that's pretty, that's pretty nice. I mean, like, imagine if someone hits you up about tops, and they're like, thinking about putting their grandmother's IRA in it and dries. I know. But so before before we get stuck on one topic forever, because I think we can talk about fucking women and in women alcohol party. But speaking of that, actually, this kind of goes into the next big question. But we all know, like at MIC, how much of an influence bow had on your life? Sure. But how like, what did he do for you? Like positively mentoring, like, we all know, like, he helped you learn how to trade, right? He helped you like, you know, form your process, I'm guessing, and all that. But how did he help you kind of outside of trading, like, life mentoring, and like, you know, what did he do? That's a great fucking question, man. That's a great question. So bow is literally like, you can't really make this up. He is the most kindhearted, yeah, generous, loving, passionate, selfless person ever, right? So now, whenever there was something like, I'll give you a story, right? So we went to the club. I don't know. We so many times went to the club, but there was one time that we went to the club and we had a great table tables, maybe like $10,000, like it's like, it's amazing time front row this that and we went to the bathroom. And when we're in the bathroom, there's this guy there, you know, like a bathroom attendant, he's like, you know, like, like, putting soap on your hands, like he gives you a cigarette, if you want to give you gum, whatever this that about took out $100 bill and tip the bathroom attendant. And he's like the bottle waitresses and the cocktail girls get all the money and they're always ungrateful and they're spoiled. No one ever looks after the bodyguards and the bathroom attendants. So anytime we go to a club, bow always tips the bodyguard and bow always tips the bathroom attendant like 100 bucks, because he knows that those people are underappreciated that those people don't get money, the cocktail waitresses get all the money. And bow is always looking out for the little guy. So ever since that happened, I've kind of seen a side of bow that has shown me that if you are a good person, and you do good things, and you try to make the world a better place, the world has a funny way of rewarding you with good karma, right? So yesterday, bow was at Home Depot, maybe, or he was at Costco or some shit. And he took his Ferrari to buy a tape measure. So he took his $200,000 Ferrari to buy $15 tape measure, goes to the store loses his keys, right? So he lost his keys. And he was like, Oh, my God, like, when the manager asked me what car key was, I was too embarrassed to say the car because they would think I'm some entitled spoiled idiot. So instead, I said it was a red key. So this that turns out that the guy that found bows keys, bow actually bought a computer from him a couple months ago. So he did I buying a computer from him. And the world had a funny way of making sure that he was the guy that found bows key and bow bought him dinner. And that was really funny. That's so bad. So bow kind of influenced your life and kind of just your overall thinking of bow actively teaches me how to become a better person and because honestly, like, I have bad tendencies. I have temptations. I'm still young. I'm still I think based on emotions and not logic. Whereas bow kind of keeps me more grounded. He reminds me about the little guy he always because if you think about a man like there was there was a guy today that want to join MIC and he DMed us and he said, I've been scanned in the past. Can you get on the phone with me to prove that this is real? And anyone else would just be like fuck that like we don't that doesn't matter for us one one new member isn't going to change anything. But bow just was going to get on the phone with him right so bow bow had these I had the idea that said you know what fucking I'll just get on the phone with him and I'll try talking to him. I don't think the guy picked up but he went out of his way. A guy like bow has no reason to call any of these guys or talk to any of these guys but bow has taught me that if you do the right thing and you are good to people, you will be rewarded. So we or I or anything, anytime we do anything, we always try to do the right thing so that it makes the world a better place. You pay it forward and bow has taught me how to become more caring. He's taught me to become less greedy. He's taught me to become he's taught me to like seafood a little bit more too but realistically man he's just teaching me how to become a better person because he has such a massive heart and he is filled with love and a lot of people take advantage of him for his kindness and just seeing how good of a human he is makes me want to be a good human as well man and like you guys could see it as well bro bow is here 24 7 he's fucking grinding he's trying to help he has he has all the money in the world he has all the toys in the world he has all the women in the world yet he chooses to come here and help the little guy every day because he knows that that is going to make an impact on the world that is going to change people's lives and you know selfishly it brings us happiness when we hear that you know someone joined and is making money because they put in the work and to me m i c is the best system because it rewards the hardworking people the lazy people that don't put in the work don't make any money the hard working people have the potential to make unlimited income and it's just it's just a blessing man that is awesome and i just thought i would say that they uh they removed the 40 minute time limit they just sent me a notification oh nice nice probably heard what we're talking about like these motherfuckers got got it going on man yeah no but i guess that's cool right because harry we always talk about so frequently how like the way alex like the way you are and the way bow is like yeah m i c it's created this like level of like unlimited loyalty from like especially the mods like people who have been a part of m i c either since day one or whatever because you can generally like see in a if a person is a good person and like you know like both like you and bow have like put your time and like emotional like energy into m i c you can feel it man it's 18 hours a day man they don't they don't see the behind the scenes man they don't see all the stuff that we have to do behind the scenes and the truth of the matter is man like to be realistic and to be honest bow could spend his time doing anything else anything else and make more money the thing is that trading is his passion well you guys see i have to rip this motherfucker away from the screen bro yeah the guy the guy literally do literally will trade 24-7 if the market is open 24-7 and that's 359 exactly there's things that he closes his orders at 359 59 you know what i'm saying so yeah bow loves trading so loves trading and the fact that we have an ability to do what we love and help the hardworking people achieve their goals brings us a level of fulfillment that we would not be able to find otherwise because yeah having all this money is great dude and it's fucking i'm blessed i'm thankful i'm lucky i'm great it's good but it would be boring if there was no purpose behind it you know yeah no is is that what like is that why you started m i c like is that why because no me and bow were depressed bro me and bow had all this money we were making fucking shitloads metric fuckloads of money yet there was this emptiness we felt like we were on an island we felt like we felt like it just something wasn't there right we felt like a void right we felt like a black hole and you know we noticed that there was so much scammers out there we noticed that there was so much misinformation out there so we said you know what let's just start something and see if helping people and if this is gonna work is gonna bring us some joy some happiness because again we had all this money yet what was the point right what was the point now i feel like my life has a purpose i wake up i try to help members i try to educate i get literally literally 100 p.m. a day right from new people every single day just ask me questions and what i've learned is that that 10 15 20 minutes of answering the question and then a week later a member saying that lesson was able to afford me a $1,000 trade which allowed me to take my wife on a road trip that feeling of hearing that brings me more happiness than making six figures in a day and no one is going to believe that until you make that money and feel empty inside yeah so yeah harry you felt this before right like because we've talked about this a lot like you yeah because you obviously do well for yourself and like we've had this conversation that like you know just because you're making money and making good money or more money than whoever you're around doesn't mean you're necessarily happy in your life or like feel that fulfillment yeah everyone kind of looks for i guess there's like this kind of like promise land that is kind of like oh once you become a consistent trader like you're going to have no more emotional issues you're never going to have to worry it's going to be sunshine beaches you're never going to have any problems in your life there there's never going to be issues anywhere there's never you know and it's just like so untrue how it's kind of i don't even know how it's been shaped like this but i i talked to so many people and they're like man like the minute i become consistent like all my problems are going to go away and you know i think yet money does resolve a hell of a lot of problems and but it's like you know it does not bring happiness like you like you would think it does you know and i guess that was one of the more things that i kind of struggled with when i started making money i'm like oh yeah you know um i don't need to like get up in the morning and and go to a real job but it's like you know if you have friends that are trying to like use you for your money or uh you're not in a good state with like your family or you're not in a you know if you're just in an unhealthy state like you know you're going to uh not feel like i don't know you're not going to feel great you know even even with all that money i mean you know so i think there's a huge balance between spending time with your family uh spending a lot of time with your friends uh working and i found like kind of like last summer i said it in one of my old podcasts as well where i just kind of took some time off for myself and like started like reconnecting with like friends i hadn't seen for a while because i was just working for so long and like i just feel so much more mentally healthy now than i did let's say i don't know a year ago what do you guys do for fun outside the market like what is your like turn off switch or your relax for both of you guys drink fireball yeah i mean for you know for me man it's like i never like i was about to say like my like most zen like the most happy and like comfortable i am is when i'm just like friends and and just hanging out man like i just love i've had yeah i've had the same group of friends since like we're in like middle school so it's like when we're together it's like this like comfort thing and like we just feel good like i just feel like i can kind of just be myself like i can feel like like do you know like when your friends with your like when you're in high school and you have your group of friends and it's like you don't have jobs nothing fucking matters you're just like you're just friends with each other for for you guys yeah as weird as that sounds and that's what this is like i can just be myself with them doesn't matter who makes what what you do for work it's just like fun we just go out drink we play golf we hang out smokes and actually that's how after hours is an m-i-c bro you see a bunch of different shit every single day yeah you see people gardening some guys making a table like yep you know like that's our virtual family right there too you know no dude it's funny like i found myself telling my friends stories from after hours after hours gets fucking going it's hilarious like i'm dying laughing and i'm like telling people people are looking at me like i'm crazy because i'm like dude this we're just sitting there just scrolling yeah dude uh the amount of fights i got into like my girlfriend because it's on after hours dying laughing and she's like who is on the phone with you right now i'm like oh it's it's five nine fish dude yeah yeah it's me another meme of joe yeah more of us kill me yeah i know oh my god and that's that's why i love having m-i-c like honest to god like we do ask like what we do for fun but like dude i feel like half of my life is this and it's like this is what i love to do so it's like that also brings me that level of like happiness is just a being with people that are like minded that understand they get it yeah yeah being surrounded by people who don't understand your goals is like draining i think that's the draining thing of like the life outside of trading and you know when we have i don't know how many members are there now 1500 or something when you have 1500 people that are kind of on the same page as you it's like there's nowhere along that journey you know wherever they are there's somewhere along that journey and they understand you know yeah and how how cool is it that we have someone from like day one we have someone who joins today who knows nothing about trading then we have vow and we have everything in between right i mean that's that's insane and that's what makes this family i think so so fucking cool it's true man it's true we're and also the thing is man it's hard to find ambitious people it's hard to find people that want to shoot for the fucking stars you know you might have some friends that just want a nine to five they want an easy life no problem good for you i got nothing to do with it like for me man for me i want more i want the peter louvers i want the nice car i want the nice big h i want all that stuff and having people that don't want that bringing you down ends up making you kind of forget your goals or forget your dreams because you get lazy but if you have people in m i c like if i see someone like james that is in here at five a.m. and says he starts his morning off with two videos i'm gonna say fuck you brah i'm gonna start my morning with three videos now motherfucker you don't understand just seeing that having that friendly competition to push each other further is what is going to take us to that next level of the promised land that we want yeah like you said we have 1500 people that want those same goals 1500 ambitious people people that love or business owners or james is a barbershop order he owns a bunch of high-end barbershops he trades because he fucking loves it and now i have a friend that is also a business owner that understand what it's like to be a business owner and to trade and do this and do that and now maybe in the future james and i could work on a business together we could do this and you know it's like it's it's the potential is unlimited when you are surrounded by smart hardworking people and the best thing that i've learned is always surround yourself with people smarter than you and most of the time if you're joining m-i-c people are going to be on different levels so you're going to be surrounded by the very best yeah yeah i love that i love that and look does that does that now make you like in your like most like recent like if you think about your emotional level now like in and outside of the market like being surrounded by these people do you feel now like the strongest you ever have like is this like the best you've ever felt in your life because of how much good you're doing and how well you can trade like is that what is this like where are you at right now this has been honestly like knock on wood this has been like the happiest i've ever been like in my entire life 2020 has been my best year ever in terms of happiness it's not correlated to the money it's correlated to the fact that i am hanging out with my friends more i'm hanging out with my family more uh members are improving faster we have a member like fey that joins and is kicking ass in a couple months my trading is doing really good we're six months into the year i'm up 600 grand again working one hour a day uh i'm going to buy some property soon when the whole world collapses i want to reward myself with a new car like so there's a lot of things that i'm doing in pipeline this year that is bringing me happiness and this is again knock on wood the first year that i've actually felt genuinely happy in a long time because the foundation that i've built for myself is kind of finally coming into pieces i have something that brings me joy which is helping people i have something that brings me adrenaline and fun which is trading i have something that brings me a life outside of trading which is my friends i have my family that keeps me grounded i got my best buds bow and tosh that i want to hang out with like i'm i feel very lucky and i feel really grateful and i hope that i'm not top ticking my life right now bro i hope that this is just a fucking dip so do you do you find that like the money you make is directly correlated with your emotions like by making like yeah like because you seem happier like even talking to you seem less stressed honey and it's it's just a matter of not even the money dude it's a matter of like i don't care if i lose a hundred bucks or thousand bucks the pain feels the same it's just the pain of being a loser which i never want to be right yeah and in trading you have to be used to getting shit on you have to be used to losing you have to be used to not being right all the time so i'm middle eastern i'm stubborn my fucking family is stubborn like they're all like head strong so i grew up with that mentality so being able now to be a trader and being seeing both sides of the equation i never take anyone's side i rather always like to hear both sides of the story first or uh a problem that i've been having is i'm too emotionless these days so i was talking to a girl a while back and she said you're completely detached from everything all you care about is this fucking stupid stock marketing and the truth of the matter is you have to be emotionless to be able to become a good trader so i've personally been struggling with finding a balance between being passionate about something that's outside of trading if that makes sense yeah it does yeah i agree harry you've had this issue too right yeah big time where i'm just like you know i you know like you know like that you need it like for me anyway like i know that i need a balance i know it's always in the back of my mind everyone's telling me you need a some type of balance you need to find something else you know i bought a fifteen hundred dollar pair of golf and i went out with my friends and i was like you know what gonna do golf now but i never have any time to golf because like at the end of the day i didn't want to golf you know and you just tried to find like an outlet yeah yeah so like you know i bought a nice pair of clubs i'm like yeah my reward i'm gonna go golfing you know my little brother came some of my friends came like you know we all had a good time golfing but you know i'm not really there when i'm golfing i'm thinking about oh what did this do today or how could i have traded this better i'm always checking quotes bro even fucking when i sure yeah i'm always checking quotes yeah even on the weekend like i'm just like oh yeah weekend clubs i'm looking at futures bro i'm throwing up the big point bar i'll fucking do anything bro i pull up big coin all of a sudden a commodity straighter you know yeah dude then you have to see that for me that's always been like my biggest struggle and like especially with relationships and like friendships everything families that my mental state is always focused on like the future and like how i'm gonna make more it's not even just about the money like to me the more money you make is like keeping score it's like it might even be the wrong way to see it but say it but it's like it's the high score of a video game it is like the success you get you know financial freedom and money comes from it so detaching that like need from like like just trying once to go to a dinner and not be on your phone thinking about trading or thinking about your business or whatever you're doing and you know it's hard man i think that's hard i think it's like i mean talk about trading our eyes winkle bro yeah i'm saying it's a fucking star in our eyes so like being able to be emotionless in the market but be emotional with a partner is two conflicting ideas the more emotional you become the fucking more you suck in the market the less the more emotionless you become in the market the more money you make but your relationship suffer so it's very hard to find the balance between these things you know and like how yeah go ahead not about here no it's okay but i was just gonna say like you know there's two people that kind of like live around me that like live like you know um you know kind of near me so sometimes they'll be like oh here they actually joined m-i-c uh for a couple months and then they they just didn't have enough money to just keep going so they're like yeah well you know we'll rejoin later like and they they just like you know came in and i'm sure they've like dm'd uh out or bow or you know whatever but um you know sometimes i'll meet up with them and i have a one friend named justin who will record the tape and so he has a separate laptop that records the tape and then he like kind of uploads it to like a youtube whatever and and in my sunday mornings i always watch it and my saturday mornings as well like with a coffee you know it's like a ritual and he'll see the views and he'll be like man there's a hundred views on this one recording like how have you watched this so much and because he's like you know i've only i've only watched it he's like i've only watched it like three or four times and he's like this is at like a hundred and but it's like i mean you know what else am i going to do on a saturday morning like you know because you know that the time that you put in is directly correlated with your success exactly in that extra time and extra work go figure you're going to probably make some more money so we feel because we are overachievers we are hustlers we are hardworking people so we feel like any moment that we're away from the market or any moment that we're not thinking about it someone else is thinking about it and someone else is going to get an edge on us yeah it's true but it's crazy like how do you think you can like actually have like a successful like marriage relationship anything like when you know the work you put in like the truth of the matter is i would much rather watch m-i-c videos than like hang with my friend sometimes because i know the more i watch of that the better off my life can be in the long run so it's finding that balance is i haven't had a successful relationship in the years bro so i'll let you know what happens you're preaching the damn choir bro harry i know i i've seen your relationships man that is i don't know it's a struggle it's not easy harry is a smiling doesn't want to say a word doesn't want to incriminate himself i know well i know no girl i ever date will watch this entire thing some psycho might so i guess i should you gotta watch out bro you gotta watch out my ex got me into trading is now tiktok famous she has eight of all of our tiktok she's probably gonna make more money than you do what is that bro make more money than you ever ask i wish i could shake my ass and make money bro i shake my ass i'm gonna go to fucking jail dude we gotta get tosh tosh shakes his ass we'll probably have five thousand members tomorrow just it'll be a female in the club we were at a club one time in san joseph it was me bow uh and tosh and tosh i don't know tosh doesn't really drink right he doesn't really drink that much so yeah we went to the club we're drunk we're hanging out me and bow our dance and we're having a good time tosh is sitting down at the table with a water this cute blonde girl walks to him at the club and is starting to talk to tosh meanwhile no girls for me and bow so tosh is sitting there sober sitting there like a statue right sitting there like the statue and the girls come to him dude so i have no clue what that feels like but it must be fucking nice bro i could go i could spend however much money i want it doesn't matter girls will walk right by me and then they'll just go to the next guy and the next guy and if i have tosh next to me it's it's not gonna play this game over bro if you have tosh next to bro you might as well your tosh is the hot chick and you're the side chick bro dude that's the problem dude you got bow and tosh to fight with i'm done i'm toast it's not gonna work that's funny but i guess i could that can bring us to our last we have one more question for you and that was that was what are your future goals kind of now like 2020 forward where are you looking to go and what is it you want to achieve in the next i don't know 10 15 20 years sure so number one is i want to be able to spend more time with my brother so as my brother gets older he's getting smarter he's wiser he's incredible how old is it alan he just turned 24 so i'm okay i'm turning 26 in a couple months and he's 24 all you people are so old yeah how old are you here i've literally turned 21 in june oh my god as first sip of alcohol bro yeah well it's 19 in canada so oh my god it's even better but i'm four years from 30 block four years dude we're fucking we're almost the same age bro i know jesus but sorry go ahead bro bow is 45 and he could party the way that he does bro i think we're gonna be just fine dude i don't think bow is 45 i think bow is like 150 he just never ages he just is a unicorn and this guy will out drink a 21 year old bro and and he'll fucking black out he'll give like it's bro it's who has a shot drawer who has a shot has a shot bro the guy opens the door and whips out shots but anyway go ahead yes i'm spending more time with my brother i want to get close to my brother um in terms of trading man uh i like what i'm doing uh if anything i just want to trade even fucking less bro i want to trade even less i want to be less because i've realized that the less that i trade the more money i make because i don't get stupid right i don't gamble away i don't be stupid with it no um what else is there i want to be able to take advantage of this coronavirus opportunity and buy a bunch of properties for cheap and start to build a real estate portfolio while i'm young um i want to start to be able to use all this money that i have in the bank that i've been growing for six years to kind of get me to the next level right because i've just been saving and saving and saving and saving and now that we have yeah now that we have this opportunity where there's 40 million people out of work people can't afford their mortgages i want to be able to start to diversify my income outside of trading that's cool and it's on do you are you you think you're gonna be trading your whole life like is that positive i think i'm gonna be trading until my hands stop working and then you'll learn to trade with your feet and then i'll learn to trade with my feet and then when that doesn't work i will hire a kid to trade for me oh i have one last question so have you ever thought about like trading like the spy or like stuff like that um honestly i've messed around here and there but what i've learned is all of these large cap big cap stocks are algorithm mckels there are algos everywhere they're designed to fuck you over whereas these small caps are all scams so i know that i have an edge with scams so if i find some sort of edge in large caps uh then i will take it but you know we got people like joe making money you got people like brian you got even they making money on large caps for me it's not worth my time to invest and learn large caps when small caps are working so well rather than being the jack of all trades i'd rather be the fucking expert of one yeah i love it oh yeah you know it's 22 it's like i've noticed in like your trading and like i've just noticed even in mine the best trades literally come like almost a half hour before zombie hour starts like by 10 a.m we're pretty much done and wrapped up for the day and that is good like i like seeing that like i always feel like i always look and like i know you know you have your tabs and like we all have our tabs like but i feel like if we're still around even close to zombie hours there's a problem if we're not if we're still trading and doing something it's like so i like that trade less idea i really like that going forward because again it's like it's it's very simple brought to me it's like i've realized that usually i make most of my money uh by 9 50 a.m or 10 a.m if i'm staying past 10 a.m that means i'm still wiggling around the position and if i'm past 10 30 it means that i'm just fighting right so recognizing that and taking the steps to improve that it's funny bro whenever i finish my trading early i am in a good mood for the entire day anytime i am at the desk all fucking day bro i feel drained i feel shot i'm tired i'm complaining like i'm i'm just not myself right so i've learned that trading less not only makes me more money it also brings me more happiness which is the end goal of everything every time i love that dude i i love this conversation i actually love the podcast bro i think you guys have a lot of fun those that don't know harry and james are taking over the podcast i'm going to be their first guest um if you guys liked it or if you guys have any feedback or you want to see someone on or anything like that let us know let harry and james know um and this is going to be their show from now on and i'm excited to see what you guys do with it yeah perfect all right well thank you yeah thank you guys