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Oh, there would be like a vegan dinner I want you to give your workshops about nutrition and plant based and health and the animal rights But sometimes I'm working with a person, you know, they are smoking like weed before the workshop or they are drinking alcohol and Sometimes so you're working with someone who does the workshop with you Yes, the vegan who someone conducts a workshop and smokes weed beforehand I don't think anyone should be going to schools and smoking weed and getting drunk beforehand though Yes, I mean, I mean if you're representing If you're doing a workshop, I don't I don't think it's cool to get drunk beforehand or whatever Sometimes I don't express like you may not the individuals might lead a lifestyle that isn't completely healthy Yes, because sometimes I'm working in a there's a for example vegan meeting or a vegan weekend in some place And I go there and I spent two hours speaking about health about lifestyle exercise and eating a whole plant And I have seven guests and they like but after I have a problem with the organization for example The vegan they say oh, you speak too much about health. We are not Promoting health or just promoting veganism, but and they are eating like why do you work with them? If they if you promote health and they promote animal rights. No, I but cannot veganism can Can be connected with health because well, I know it can't No, it can't Plant-based nutrition whole foods plant-based nutrition is a diet Yes, but if you can veganism is a moral principle Yes, but it's nothing to do like like if you eat a whole foods plant-based diet You've you've eradicated most of the cruelty because a lot of it happens in food But in terms of maintaining a healthy lifestyle, this has nothing to do with the moral principle of Non-exploitation of sentient beings. Okay, so so that is a a benefit But not always because you can eat complete junk and not exploit sentient beings. Yes, this is my point Yeah, I have my best friend. I love him like he taught me about Veganism who was a Hare Krishna, but he's 40 years old. He's fat. He has The beginning of diabetes. He has inflammation in his joints and I know because he just eats Junk vegan and he's an activist. He's has the tattoos and everything and we are angry all the time Oh dear friend, I love you. You're an activist But that is a personal choice of his and sometimes I feel that I am like out of the vegan Activism and the vegan thing that the vegan word Because I try to use like dr. Mcgregor It's a good way of advocating. I mean it can be a strong way of Advocating to add health into it, but in terms of the moral principles of veganism health is Got nothing to do with it. So I'm not telling I'm right and they're wrong or anything sometimes. Well, you're both right like look look look In terms of you being a health advocate, I Wouldn't work with animal rights activists because they're two separate things. I mean if you want to bring animal rights into your health I'm just telling you straight out what it what what if you want to ask me a question I'll tell you exactly what I think health and The ethics of veganism are completely separate you can bring them together and mesh them together and go Okay, if you eat a healthy health foods plant-based diet, you can reverse heart disease and diabetes and and it's also good for animals And good for them, but that's a good way to advocate My goal is I always think about the animals, okay? It was my My motivation when I became vegan, but I saw like my yoga teacher in India was with disease My best friend vegan with that's a different fire and I thought okay. I grow vegan, but I cannot just eat like sheeps and Like well, that's your personal choice. This is a completely different area. You're going into here you're going into helping people and Which is good. I'm not saying it's bad. I'm not saying you're wrong But if you want to look after your health, that's great But it's got nothing to do with animal rights and the moral principle that holds together But if I can I can reach like one thousand I'm not saying it's bad. I use health to advocate as well like you can use like but it's not the only way And if you're telling if you're going to say to animal rights people that you you got a door this way But you do it that way that that's your it's it's separate from animal animal rights I never had any problem with meat eaters with anybody, but sometimes some vegans. They say all your points Is not the animal for no if well, it's true. It's true that veganism is about the animals You can't be vegan and You can't be vegan for health You cannot you just can't because you can still wear a leather jacket and go to a circus and eat a plant-based diet Yes, I agree. Yeah. Yeah, you can't be vegan for the environment and I know you know that you can't be vegan for the environment and for health You just can't you can't because you can you can still you know Weather coat and it's good for the environment if you reduce your meat consumption, but still eat chicken Yes, that's good for the environment base people at the end. They eat all kinds of meat I'm telling you so it's more like so all I'm saying is is you can't be vegan for health and the environment You can only be vegan for the animals Because it's a principle of non-exploitation. That's okay. Yeah, and Okay, because sometimes I don't know I know how to because I think you're mixing the two you're mixing plant-based nutrition with veganism But if you put me in a in a place with 100 people I can spend two hours giving recipes And that's great and everything is speaking about the animals and health and all the signs What I don't know is how to do with vegan some place because sometimes they are Looking facing the animals and I agree. I'm with them But you're trying a different method and like when we go like when we see to have a dinner Sometimes I say sorry, but as a vegan Like you I cannot eat these or drink these or smoke this why not because as a vegan if it's vegan Like I'm vegan like you but I was not That's got nothing to do with anyone this is what this is where you're putting your personal choice of health on other people when it's It's not a moral issue When people exploit animals, that's a moral issue where you should get involved But when someone makes health decisions, that's a personal choice So I want to be calm about this if my best friend who taught me about veganism is sick Because he's eating junk because you care about him. That's different. That's your friend. Yes So if my mum smoking cigarettes, I'll get like mum, you know He's not smoking cigarettes, but if a stranger smoking cigarettes, it's like like maybe The only moral issue with someone smoking cigarettes is the fact they're tested on animals Okay, I'm just telling this because sometimes looking we can create a new Activism inside the vegan community like you should be roving and you should be plant-based vegan I want to stop this But I want you to know how to deal with different like the health There is no such thing as a health vegan, but there's a there's healthy vegans But like I said, you can't be vegan for health You have to like this is what what I think happens People have a misconception about what the word vegan means and I think you just look at the Definition of veganism and it's to do with using animals. Okay. I'm trying to because in English Amazing, we have many people like you in Australia, but in Portuguese. We don't have many Yeah, I should understand like better what I'm doing like to save I think I think you should just do your own thing And don't worry about what other vegans are eating and stuff like that as long as they're not harming animals or You know, I think if I think if a vegan is telling you something that isn't vegan is vegan I think that's a problem if they're doing if they're participating in animal exploitation Then that's not vegan, but in terms of their meeting a big greasy burger and some chips and smoking some weed That's our own personal choice. I mean, I guess you are gonna run into problems with people if you if you um Preach a health message on to people who care about ethics Because I could start dumping heads with people and no everything's okay, but I I felt this working together Sometimes, okay, we'll have a Sunday vegan picnic and some and sometimes Some difference some arguments. So I'm learning how to deal with the like what's veganism So I'm learning reaching people bring them first because of health issues because people are sick and That's what the plant-based doctors do plant-based doctors don't promote veganism. You know that, right? Yes, very rare. I can hear maybe Neil Barnard sometimes But doctors promote plant-based nutrition. It's not veganism Dr. McGregor and all the doctor Gregor promotes plant-based. They're doctors. They care about health. They're not it's not it's not veganism But they give up a base a very strong argument that we can be healthy on plants, which is good for animals Most of people in the community they go they say, okay, I would try to give up everything But I I need some doctor's opinion or some science. So I use this but my goal is to save animals You know, I just use this as a method Well, then what about if you met someone that love burgers and love French fries would you tell them and love Smoking weed would you tell them? That's not vegan. No, even the weeds. Okay, but would you tell them that? No, no, no, no, no Look, don't don't don't don't eat the junk food because that's not vegan. Would you say that? Be honest It's okay if you do But are you sure like if someone's eating chips and you just told me you had a problem with what vegans were eating So I'll tell you like this if you tell someone Veganism is about health and they can't have their favorite food but veganized They're more likely to go stuff this vegan diet if I have to eat whole foods all the time And I can't have my burgers and my chocolate and my chips and I'm going to go back to eating animal products Because this person told me veganism is about health and about raw foods and about all these amazing I want to have my burgers and then they go back to Burger king and get a beef burger because they can't have their junk food as well. So I think giving them Both options Is a good idea if you if you care about I don't care what diet people eat as long as it doesn't exploit and harm the innocent so Don't want to mix thinking that one thing is another thing Okay Some people really care about health and you can go on that avenue with them. Some people don't care about health They care about they might care more about ethics. So I think you you should um alter your approach Depending on who you're talking to Find out not everyone is the same as you not everyone cares about health A lot of people do though. So you can use it on them I feel like uh, we have to be careful not to let the animals get lost in The health and environment message because they're already forgotten Yes, if your goal is to turn your average person vegan and your average person eats here Yes, I'm just you know, I mean they're eating fried chicken. They're eating big burgers with cheese. They're eating your average person Think about um, you know, you get your people like me. I was really interested in health But not everyone's like me You know most more people are Like eating out of here Okay, if you just change their their if you veganize their fast food first And then you give them an option you say well, you know, because I can go this you can go In eat vegan junk food, but I personally don't because I care about my health as well as the animals But you give them both options So then you're not sacrificing your health message and you're not forgetting the animals and you're sort of Making sure that those people who want to have a vegan burgers. They have the option If you wanted to broaden your reach You should you could adapt to any situation or any individual Yes, because as a personal trainer when I see someone smoking for example, first thing I want I want to speak about Smoking And I forget sometimes about like because that's your focus. That's you and I think I think if you're health happy There is a happy health vegan channel youtube channel like something like this I want to bring them to to be happy health and so sometimes Instead of keeping them vegan and smoking. I want to to speak about like how smoking is harmful for your health and And sometimes I lost like should keep them vegan or health vegan So if they're vegan and smoking, I don't care if they will have length I think you're confusing veganism with health That's all because I studied this in university Plant-based nutrition and veganism are two different things. I mean smoke vegan cigarettes and eat drink vegan alcohol and have Terrible, but you can have a vegan heart attack. It's just a common misconception. I get it all the time. I mean, it's it's I think that you know the health avenue is a really good one But you just have to make keep the distinction between veganism and plant-based nutrition because there's a distinction These vegan doctors are vegan youtube. They're not vegan doctor. A lot of these doctors aren't vegan Yeah, yeah, but they're not they're plant-based I don't know the difference because I just see them on the internet. Maybe you know them The reason they don't recommend veganism is because veganism can be oil and can be fries and can be Chips and can be any coke can of coke. That's why the plant-based doctors don't recommend Veganism for health because they're health focused Never forget the animals in your conversation because you cannot be vegan for health You cannot be vegan for the environment Okay, these are benefits of veganism, but veganism is a moral principle against the exploitation of animals Okay, you can eat a plant-based diet wear leather jackets and go to circuses zoos and aquariums and use Products tested on animals. You are not a vegan