 Welcome to Amsterdam and KubeCon, CloudNativeCon 2023. Join John Furrier, Savannah Peterson, Rob Streche, and UPSCOT as the Kube covers the largest conference on Kubernetes, CloudNative, and open source technologies together with developers, engineers, and IT leaders from around the globe. Live coverage of KubeCon, CloudNativeCon 2023 is made possible by the support of Red Hat, the CNCF, and its ecosystem partners. Welcome back to KubeCon, here from Amsterdam, live by the Kube. I'm here next to me, Arnold, I'm next to me, Daniel, I'm next to me, Nienand. I'm the KubePiescage co-host of the Kube, and we're going to have it today in the Netherlands, because we're here in Amsterdam, we're here at KubeCon, over the Dutch community. We're here in Amsterdam, KubeCon is an international event, 10,000 people around the world have come here, but at the same time, there are also many Dutch people, there are also many people who live in the Netherlands, who are active, and one of the things I've always noticed is that the community here in the Netherlands is absolutely strong. We all know each other, it's a small country, we all live close to each other, and so the community is very strong. So I took some people with me to talk about what makes the community so interesting. But first I want to start by talking about KubeCon itself. You've been here for a few days now, I'm starting with you, Arnold. What do you think is interesting? What have you seen? Where do you think this is really interesting? I really like this, I want to share this. Well, at least thanks for this interview, but what I really like about KubeCon are the new technologies that come with it, especially when you look at the field of observability, but also how much you can learn about new trends, open telemetry, EBPF, but also how you set up communities, and how you work together. And here it's just a pleasure. It's a party. Yes, it's a party. And then how do you look at it? What do you think is beautiful about KubeCon? Yes, that's the scale. Yes, how big it is, how many people are here, from all over the world. In the opening keynote yesterday, there was a point about green. We want to be sustainable, we use more and more energy. How can we do something from the community? How can we ensure that we don't get less footprint? And I really think that's a trend that I'm very attracted to here. And where a lot has happened so far. Yes, and you can see it. Because that's exactly such an initiative. I think that's coming from not only the vendors who are here on the exchange floor, but we also see this coming from the community. We see people who are at clients, who are not working anymore, who find that important. And they are starting this now. But it's early days, it's still early. So it's interesting to see where it goes and how it's driven. But there are no commercial solutions that we can buy. But it's really from the community. You get asked, you see that the audience is still there. Good talks from people from the community themselves. So I find that very interesting. Pendinand for you, what makes it so far for you? Well, besides these beautiful stories, I also find it very cool that we share knowledge together. And that you actually see very often that there are a lot of companies that have the same problems. And if you can share it with each other, a quick solution can come, and a quick new technology implementation can come. How cool is that? To share that with each other as one and a whole. Super cool. And what are the technologies for which you think, hey, I'm getting really excited about that. What have you seen this week? Well, besides the green, what is really important and what is also really recognized by the community itself. I also find it very cool to put confidence on a computer. The way in which you can really isolate yourself to the next level. And besides, of course, all new developments on different clouds and technologies and, of course, Kubernetes. Yes. Let's not forget that. Yes, of course, Kubernetes is in the name. At the same time, I actually hear quite little about Kubernetes. There is a new release, 1.27, I believe, I would say. But I actually hear little about it. Do you think so? Well, then you have to look a little better at the schedule, Joep. Because all the views are here. There are all workshops around the views. There are hackathons going on from the views. So security views are below. A very large number of views. So the workgroups behind Kubernetes are absolutely here. And there is also a lot going on. People meet each other here. So that's enough with Kubernetes itself. Well, good point. I don't think that's the case. At the same time, the CNCF, KubeCon, this ecosystem has become so much bigger in the last few years. Of vendors that we have known for years that are with us. All kinds of new startups. What I am curious about is what kind of startups you are getting hot from. What are really interesting developments. Maybe Arnold. Yes, if I look at it for myself. Developments in the area of the C&I layer in Kubernetes. They have already talked about it. EBPF takes a form with Cilium. That is a real technology. It is really being armed by the community. You really see it. It makes the platform more secure, more robust. And what is also very interesting. For example, Alphanomen is a piece of EBPF about service mesh. That is called the inflation for service mesh. To get a better level. To actually serve more engineers. And to make the platform even more engineer and developer friendly. That is really great to see. And that is also absolutely one of the themes I see. Developer experience. To be able to develop faster, better software. That is where it has been for a long time. In this community. Do you still have the feeling that it is becoming more mature? Do you think it is too late? I don't think it is too late. But it is almost unanswered. If you look at the 159 projects that have already been launched from CNCF. And the many that are going to come. Then you really see it fully in development. But it is becoming the next thing. It is becoming a commodity. But that does not mean that it has been developed. You really see a lot of companies fully involved in Kubernetes. That is just super cool to see. And with the amount of communities that we already have. We can certainly contribute a lot to that. Let's talk a little bit about the Netherlands. We are here in the Netherlands. We are still talking in the Netherlands. I am really proud of ourselves. That we are not going to be alone in the Netherlands. Because of course we are talking all day in the Netherlands. Here at this event. What are meetups or events in the Netherlands? What do you think are crucial for the Dutch community? In this Kubernetes world, in this ecosystem. Daniel. There are a lot about Kubernetes itself. For example, I am turning the AKS meetup. It is very much on the Azure ecosystem. But there is also the Kubernetes meetup. And so there are more. If you want to stay in the Kubernetes space. Do you want something wider? Are there many more events that you could just do? You could even go to a Dev Overseas for example. If you want to learn more about the processes. How you work with your teams with Kubernetes. So we can do it all the way around. You will have a nice point in the discussion later. We have something like Dev Overseas. But yes, it also organizes the Kubernetes community. I do not organize it. But I have been able to speak about it recently. And that was also super cool. And there you really see a reflection of what we see here in the big. Do you see something smaller there? It is super cool to be able to network, share experiences. Share knowledge. Really fantastic. Super cool. And they also want to keep them coming winter. That is still in demand. But you just notice that it is very cool. They are people who are really looking. So definitely recommend it. Yes, and that is the advantage here in the Netherlands. We can get to Amsterdam from all corners and winters. Also with Dev Overseas. We organize a few events on all kinds of places. So here in Amsterdam, in Eindhoven, also directed to the Belgian market. And so you see that, yes, it is a small chicken land. People come from everywhere. But regardless of where you live, regardless of where you come from. Everyone finds it important to build network, share knowledge. But also to look a little bit. Where are your customers? Where are your customers? Because I think that makes the Dutch community very strong. And you also notice that the customer really needs it. We have a use case. How did the other one implement it? The cross-link with each other. You can also see that in the small scale. Between several enterprises. Or just in the government. Those are really the developments that we see very strongly. Yes, exactly. Because Anna, you are more on the observability side. Yes, I am more on the observability side. And yes, from that side it has also really the past years that I have also come to the conferences. I have seen quite a lot of growth. I have made the growth of, let me name it, tools from the manufacturers to the open standards that we have now. Open telemetry. What has come, promises. But also the piece of how we do observability monitoring. How do we deal with traces? That is really cool. I have already mentioned that. The trust in the cloud. In cloud native it starts to grow. Also in the government. And I really see that in my observations. I also work as an observer in the government. And I see the trust growing there. How do we deal with cloud? But also how do we deal with, let's say, data. That much data. That about confidential computing. Those are really those things. That we all learn here. If you are here, you immediately know where the next five years will go. You are completely up to date. You put something beautiful on it. You also put on it. You say I have the assignments at governments. They are not the first to adapt to that new technology. And yet you see that these organizations have already taken that step for a long time. And they are also successful with it. I would like to say that the transition has already been accepted. In any case, it has really been executed. Some are a little slower. And then I get the question right away. Where is it going? Daniel, what is the next big thing? To be able to speak English. Well, what I say to the people here. I hear everyone say, I have my cluster, I have Kubernetes. But you don't put it down like that. And then I also have to get all those applications up. And put a Prometheus stack down. So what I think we are going to go to. Is that the whole adoption is going to be easier. Where we, in the beginning, The Hard Way did. The Book of Calculation Hightower. We are now going to a click in the cloud and Magic Happens. And you have your environment. And then via a self-service portal. Or via a DevEx portal. Click your applications together. And you have your environment. And there it goes more and more. More and more automation. Or sorry. Automatically. And then you grow. That you may be able to get the same things With smaller teams. And then we come very close to the platform engineering. So you make yourself available as engineers. But it's also a bit self-sufficiency. There is no feedback from the development teams That they can just get ahead. No restrictions on the infrastructure. But they can just get along with each other. And when I look at it. What I see. When I look at the edge. There is a lot in development. Super cool use cases. We have seen one today from the Ministry of Defense. Where they are really going to put the vehicles further into war zones. Super cool use case. And the courses on the left and right are getting further and further in. So apart from the platform. What drives in the cloud. Super cool. But how can we continue to pull out? And a lot of development. Of course also on security and compliance. Let's not forget that. There are a lot of best practices that are today. So to adapt. Almost to automate. Automatically. But you just see that. That also the big fans. Finally say to the guys. We are going to take you there. We are going to help you. We are going to listen to you. How we can help you further. And that goes for both edge at the moment. Super cool development. We are going to close down. Where I am still curious. CubeCon has passed a few days. We are going back home. We are going to enjoy the weekend. Maybe a week of rest. But without doubt. I'm going to see you again. On a meetup. On a local conference. On an event. Where are you going? What is your first congress here in the neighborhood? Asher Thursday. And DevOps Days. Very good. DevOps Days. I will always be happy about that. Daniel. DevOps Days. And there will definitely be meetups on top of that time. Yes. At which meetup would you like to recommend as a public? Well, there will probably be an AKS meetup. It is not announced yet. But with the number of people that I have spoken to here. There are certainly possibilities between them. Yes. S6 Meetup. Not to forget. They also have their last 45. I have heard the number. 45.6 is organized. Over 7 years. Really super cool. We have also done a part in Amsterdam. So super cool. Nice. Harold. For me DevOps Days. So for me it is a place to come home. I would say the small community also brings their charms. That is actually where I started. Where I fell in love with them. Yes. Words to say on the community. I think it is also the coming period. Especially with technology as a click house. Elastic. Open search. But also promises. Especially the community. So for me it is important. Nice. Sir. It is great that you were here. I liked it. Thank you. To see where you have been. What you are doing. And especially where you are watching. I will come across you on one of the Meetups. In short here in the Netherlands. In Amsterdam. Eindhoven. Another place. What do you think? This was Joep Piskaard. At The Cube. Dubron for Hightech News. Here at the CubeCon. Thank you.