 I I honestly don't remember if I Through anything in his direction. I don't think I did. I just remember him having me by the nightgown I remember him flailing me throwing me around I'm flailing This is After There were some bottles broken on the floor. I think this is actually after again Forgive me. I wish I could remember the sequence, but it splashes He's throwing these bottles at me. I remember retreating There are also cans like soda cans beer or soda cans and They're coming at me one after the other and I keep pulling myself into the bar area. There's a bar behind me and Like I don't know like an L-shape though. He's standing in the only way you can exit so I'm kind of trapped in front of this sink Surrounded by bar on three sides with him in front of me ish kind of front off to this off to the left and he's throwing these bottles one after the other and I Can feel glass breaking behind me. I Remember feeling One of them go by my head really fast. I mean them a velocity a real velocity Remember being terrified Remember I couldn't move I couldn't go anywhere Eventually trying to I don't he ran out of things to throw I think that's how I move myself towards the exit and I believe that's most likely when we got Kind of in this struggle by the bar area I'll go first on this one We see another huge one-sided side of the shoulder shrug and like we talked about before they indicate She's not totally comfortable with her answer. It doesn't really mean it's deceptive. You there are no absolutes That means just because somebody does something scratches her nose or bites her mouth It doesn't mean they're being deceptive or telling the truth. It's just one of those A cue you look for to add to it to a group of cues to make sure Things are going in the direction. You think they're going The body of one side of her mouth seems to be it seems to be an adapter at that point And but it falls right in line with all the other cues that she's displaying To show she's tentative unsure and uncomfortable and she's displaying plenty of of anger Discussed and contempt cues and a lot of what we've seen up to this point and also there's that word again remember Here it is one more time and let's pay attention to how it's being used up to this point It's just here and there right now. It's not very often It's apparently but it's getting ready to go off the rails with it here in a couple minutes So this is important to start listening for it and start counting them when you hear them. All right, Greg What do you got that biting the side of the mouth? I agree with you is typically an adapter It's bigger than an adapter with her here because she does it three times in three videos and they're all pre-violence If I am a child and I always do that and I get away with it I'm probably gonna do that the rest of my life And that's not an acting thing. She didn't learn that somewhere and that's part of a character She's prepared for that's probably something as a little kid They would get after and she'd do and I think it was cute or something don't know But what I will tell you is it shows up three times all three times are pre-violence Something that's an indicator in her case just her case other one She rubs your face and you would think she's got tears there So there was no tears in her face as far as we can see she does one of the best denials I've seen him forever meaning the worst. I I honestly don't remember if I Through anything in his direction. I I don't think I did I Honestly one shoulder rise don't think I did well That's about as far as you can go to saying I did without saying it because we associate one shoulder as Scott said with Not be feeling certain or uncomfortable with what we're saying and it's very pronounced in this case because she does this most of the time I honestly there's a qualifier So she's distancing and qualifying at the same time and then says don't think I did so she's got another cut away That's a long sentence. She threw a bottle clearly. I mean this is now starting to look like maybe Johnny Depp's telling the truth So we just have to follow it. She goes. I just remember inside of her mouth. She bites that thing and then I'm almost certain she threw a bottle at him here and that's what started whatever happened here Then she does a tongue jut at the end of him flailing or throwing her around. I'm flailing She does a distaste after some bottles broken on the floor. Well, that sounds a lot like yeah That's passive voice. There's a whole bunch of broken bottles Then she goes in that again forgive me and she does a whine in her voice. She has a tense shift There's more illustration About the bar and where she went then there is about the violence going on again if I'm going to be that Use that many illustrators be that illustrative of what's going on I'm probably going to do some of the other piece and then finally what we see is what I always refer to as Going down the well and I've seen it in the interrogation room plenty of times A person starts finding a way to feel worse and make themselves more emotional and curl up into a ball And they do it all the time as a way to avoid the question a way to avoid other things And then I see your eye block close her eyes at as she starts talking about the struggle in the bar area She's going down a well to prepare for this next thing that we'll talk we'll cover, but that's a second time Something's up with that specific piece of body lunch Chase what do you got? This is a rare time that I will stake my reputation on this This is deception. You don't hear me say it often in my opinion. This is deception. This is what it looks like More remembering She's saying there's some broken bottles on the floor forgets how completely forgets Well, we'll memorize the type of wood The floors are made of in the house that the exact color and type of tiles the table that she was thrown into How many towels are in the dryer at that exact moment? I don't know how many details she can get except for how those bottles got broken I think that we're we're skipping over some details here And I think she's obsessing with how how destructive he is and this is likely distancing language that she's the one who probably created this mess and It looks like she's making accusations of the things that He is saying that she did she's just redirecting every single accusation backward She redirects again to her problems with sequence and this is the only time we see This is is when the detail needs to be inserted. It's flashes. It's there's an eye contact flutter avoidance Where the eyes are just fluttering like Greg's screen right now just avoid it never had that happen ever And she's saying I remember retreating shifting back to the present. There's a bar behind me. I'm trapped He's throwing these bottles one after the other. I remember bottle breaking terrified couldn't move I believe that's when we got in the struggle When she's saying all this detail this added detail and pretend confusion are a very classic case That's often seen in cases of malingering and faking or pretending Memories it's right here in the textbook and they teach this. It's well reviewed. It's peer reviewed and Multiple I'm talking more than 50 Academic articles that talk about this specific behavior and three or four of more of the behaviors that she's exhibiting here in this video That directly goes into fabricating stories and fabricating a mental illness Which is what we're seeing Chase if your reputation is going down then mine's going with you because I I have up here Big cluster of deception and then over here cluster of deception I mean it is just a massive massive cluster of deception going on here The only things I have to add into the list that everybody has given here is Look, we said right at the start that this Disgust and disdain and some of the anger is a bit of a baseline for her And I think there's a that's that's about personality or potentially in my opinion personality disorder potentially But she masks it with her hand. She shows disgust and disdain and then she does a mask and Blocks and then it shows again So just another piece of deception there that that we catch her in there's clear Self-monitoring around here a clear understanding of I'm gonna say something that might not be accurate And I really need to slow it down work this out protect myself Shade some of the feelings that I'm gonna have So a big big cluster there and and what a massively different story than Johnny Depp's So there's nothing really that aligns about the two now, of course One person could be lying and the other person could be telling the truth. Okay, but they were both there at the same time and there's Zero, I would say alignment about this story zero alignment, which is which is really odd Huge deception there. I'm going down with your chase I I honestly don't remember if I Through anything in his direction. I don't think I did. I just remember him having me by the nightgown I remember him flailing me throwing me around. I'm flailing This is after There were some bottles broken on the floor. I think this is actually after again Forgive me. I wish I could remember the sequence, but it splashes He's throwing these bottles at me. I remember retreating There were also cans like soda cans beer or soda cans and They're coming at me one after the other and I keep pulling myself into the bar area. There's a bar behind me and Like I don't know like an L shape though. He's standing in the only way you can exit So I'm kind of trapped in front of the sink Surrounded by bar on three sides with him in front of me ish kind of front off to this off to the left and he's throwing these bottles one after the other and I Can feel glass breaking behind me. I Remember feeling One of them go by my head really fast. I mean them a velocity a real velocity Remember being terrified Remember I couldn't move I couldn't go anywhere. I Eventually trying to I don't he ran out of things to throw. I think that's how I move myself towards the exit And I believe that's most likely when we got kind of in this struggle by the bar area I'm on the countertop It had me by the neck And he felt like he was on top of me and I'm looking I'm looking at him in his eyes And I don't see him anymore I don't see him anymore. It wasn't him. It was black I've never been back. I couldn't see him and he was Looking at me and I was trying to get through to him. I was trying to say to him in some way but it was me Was trying to get through to Johnny And I couldn't see him. I couldn't see him at all and My head was bashing against the back of the bar and I couldn't breathe and I remember trying to get up And I was slipping on the glass my feet were slipping my arms were slipping on the countertop And I remember just trying to get up so I could breathe so I could tell him that he was really hurting me I didn't think he knew what he was doing. I Don't know how I'm sorry. I didn't breathe. I couldn't breathe. I couldn't get through to him. I couldn't Couldn't get up. I couldn't get up And I don't know how that ended I don't know next thing I remember And I'll go first on this one Obviously Johnny is experiencing anger and we see that with displayed nostrils and that deep sniff is taken and As for Amber, this is somebody who's who's trying to relay panic. She's panicked here But she's not panicked because of what happened. She's not relaying the panic. She went through She's relaying the panic. She's in now because she doesn't think anybody believes her at this point I think she's realizing this thing is out of hand and it's gotten away from her and she's panicked because Like Greg is because the jury isn't buying it as she creates tries to create this monster That's why there's so many breaks in there. She doesn't know what to say. She's decided. I'm going in man I'm gonna go in with this. I'll just cry and stuff and it's not working We're not seeing any tears. There's no running nose Nothing like that at all and I think Greg's got some things about the tissue that she's using But we're not seeing the things we should see and that's mainly the tears and the running nose And a red face so she's trying to relay panic which she's panicked But she's not panicked about what she's talking about. She's panicked because she thinks She's spent all this time doing this and this is the crux of what's what's what's supposed to have happened It's peeking here, you know of how violent and how horrible he is And what he's done to her and her personality was supposed to watch her break down But it's not working because if you watch this and you didn't get a little bit of a not it maybe not a giggle If you didn't think that was Really really really odd then I don't know what to tell you but keep in mind We're not saying we're just talking about the body language we're seeing here. This is my opinion Nothing else. We know other people have gone through this and have it a lot worse than than she's had it similar Experiences and experiences a hundred thousand times worse than this that do experience this But I don't think that's what we're seeing here. I don't think she's experiencing that Greg what do you got? Yeah, I'm just going to hit a couple of things because I think you hit a lot of them and I want to leave a couple You do see him showing stress movement and breathing and upset and eye contact She's going down the well. She's doing that thing where she works herself down into a darker and darker place I'll leave the eyes are black and all that stuff to you guys She does cover her face like you would expect for a person who is going through something emotional However, when a person's going through really emotional situations and and really boiling Down typically they're going to break eye contact. They're not going to make hard eye contact as they're telling you the story She does that the other weird one for me is she raises her thing to wipe her face and she goes here It's up here between her eyes. It's not patting an eye. It's not covering her nose If I were going to put some chemical menthol any kind of mentholatum to make my eyes water I would probably dob it right in the middle of my nose not in my eye Not saying that's what she's done, but it seems out of place It seems like something is not right in terms of the overall delivery and then she does this patting in between her nose People have asked did she snort something possible? She put something in her nostril to make her nose snout up and all that kind of thing But she shows little private time around something so emotional And then the the other weird one she immediately goes from that terror face back to her baseline that kind of negativity face It's immediate. It's that quick We don't see that usually we see lingering and hanging on from there. Chase. What do you got back to present shift again? She's I'm on the countertop Had me by the neck. There's past tense a backwards past tense shift to past Was no pronoun. There's no he had me by the neck and when people have less pronouns, they're more likely to be deceptive and that's proven I felt like he was on top of me Well, was he We we don't know And now it's back to the present moment I'm looking in his eyes I think this is partially truthful from Seeing him at other times. So I'm thinking that she's pulling in data from a different experience into this current experience here She's overacting the sadness and this is a line that she wants them to really feel She's making eye contact with as many jurors as she possibly can The sadness disappears and reappears from her face, which you Do not see we've all conducted tens of thousands hours of these interviews. I've never seen it. Don't know about you guys Sadness disappearing and reappearing suddenly super weird And her and she says my head was bashing against the back of the bar. No perpetrator there She doesn't talk about who was doing that So that's distancing language And she's describing basically a scene from diehard There's no injuries. She's describing somebody who was punched slammed into a bar thrown across broken glass naked Walked across this broken glass naked and then emerged without a single scratch on their body It's it's bruce willis is what we're seeing here. And then again, there's no tears whatsoever Shifting emotions that are back and forth and then she mounds the f word With her apology with a discussed expression And i'll let you be the judge of what she's really disgusted about it that inwardly focused or maybe outwardly focused But right at the very end of this clip, you'll see this little elbow movement here with both of her elbows And that's a ventilation gesture. You're more likely to see that after a person Is going through something that's very stressful But keep in mind deception is very stressful, especially when you know that there's A camera on you and that whatever you do in that moment is going to live in perpetuity I'm feeling it right now because I want youtube I'm not my camera's letting me down Stay with us greg stay with us. We're almost we're almost there. Um Yes, I agree chase it felt like he was on top of me. Well, yeah That feeling may well be true, but it doesn't mean the actual Physical act was actually happening though the feeling of somebody on top of you could absolutely be true doesn't mean it's actually happening Uh, I don't see him anymore. It wasn't him. It was black now. This for me is really important that at this point in the story Uh, johnny disappears. She's creating this narrative this idea that johnny has has gone I've never been so scared in my life. It was black. So she's entered in now This is past tense again. So again now i'm worried. You remember right at the start I was saying, hey, you know somebody's experienced trauma. They can be in in present tense talking about history This is the moment when she's never been so scared in her life And it's now fully in past tense. So It doesn't make any sense. This would be the moment where you'd go I'm scared for my life Yeah, it's black Yeah, now What is this idea of the blackness and johnny disappearing at this point? I think this is an this is a strategy She should know and her counsel should well know that johnny depth The the jury are going to be biased towards johnny depth. They are of course they are for all kinds of reasons They're the best jury in the world is going to like johnny depth more than they like amber if we would a gamble on that You know, there's so many reasons why that shouldn't be true But I think it's a fair gamble that it's going to be true and so We need to give that jury an excuse to go against him if ambas to win this one We need to give them an excuse to go against him. Well, what if he's not there? What if it's not johnny? It's just like johnny's body It's just his body is there johnny's gone and he's kind of possessed It's almost demonic possession or he's disappeared. Well as a jury that we could then go Yeah, I think he was you know domestically violent Um, but it's not really him So we haven't really said anything bad about johnny depth because we don't want to say anything Bad about johnny depth. I think it's so it's potentially a really smart tactic To try and get some kind of bias Back from the jury and maybe the public as well. So interesting But of course, I think what happens because it's it's now in the world of demonic possession It's now hit the level of horror movie And she has to create this melodramatic story Melodramatic performance to make that horror movie level of I looked into the blackness And johnny was gone and all there was was the abyss in front of me She's got to create a big performance around that and it and that's not I think her style Uh, that's not the way she does really well As a performer so it doesn't really work for her in my opinion I'm on the countertop It had me by the neck And he felt like he was on top of me and I'm I'm looking at him in his eyes And I don't see him anymore I don't see him anymore. It wasn't him. It was black I've never been So scared of black I couldn't see him And he was Looking at me and I was trying to get through to him. I was trying to say To him in some way that it was me I was trying to get through to johnny And I couldn't see him. I couldn't see him at all and My head was bashing against the back of the bar and I couldn't breathe And I remember trying to get up and I was slipping on the glass My feet were slipping my arms were slipping on the countertop And I remember just trying to get up so I could breathe so I could tell him that he was really hurting me I didn't think he knew what he was doing I couldn't breathe. I couldn't get through to him. I couldn't I couldn't get up. I couldn't get up And I don't know you said he hit you and he wear he was he was wearing rings, right miss heard so he hit you with Rings on every finger. I don't know if I've ever known johnny to not wear rings Yeah Miss heard you testified to an incident in march of 2013 where mr. Depp hit you in the face multiple times. Do you recall that? That's correct, and you testified quote You don't know how many times he hit you in the face That's correct So mr. Depp hit you in the face multiple times while he was wearing rings on this occasion, correct? Which occasion in march are you referencing you weren't the testimony that you gave on day 15 of this trial March of 2013 you weren't specific us to the day There were several incidents the one where he hit you several times in the face Uh There were there was I'm sorry. Just so I understand better. There were several incidents in march Which one are you asking me about the time that he hit you several times in the face wearing rings? He pretty much always 2013 Right What are you asking me? I'm sorry He was wearing rings on that occasion I pretty much always knew him to wear rings. Okay, let's please pull up defendants exhibit 170 A which is already in evidence your honor You testified this is the picture you took after that incident, right miss heard Yes, that was one where he grabbed me And hit you in the face so many times that you don't remember. Is that correct? That's correct And there's no injuries to your face in this picture are there? Not that this picture shows And there's no medical records reflecting that you saw treatment after this alleged incident either I did not seek medical treatment at this time So there's no medical records reflecting any injuries to your face after he hit you several times I did not need to go to the doctor at the time Despite hitting you several times that you lost count with rings on your feet on his fingers That's correct. I did not seek medical attention Other than my therapist Mark what do you got? Yeah, so vocal clicks which are the things that go like this before somebody Talks and we're going to hear a lot of those from amber herd and we hear a lot during this now. What does that mean? In my view when I hear those I'm always looking out that there may be some stress Around what's about to come does it mean somebody's being deceptive? No, not at all But with other clusters of information that we're going to get it starts to become a larger probability And that's what we're dealing with here is the probability that somebody is being deceptive not the actual fact That it's that it's happening Uh another one that I would put in that cluster She does not state that he hit her with rings on that's never stated what she says is I don't know if I've ever known Johnny to not wear rings. Well Look, I'm not saying She hasn't been hit and I'm not saying she has been hit But if you had been hit my probability would be on saying he hit me with rings on That's where my mind would go. That's where I'd expect other people's minds to go Now we all know with violence going on All kinds of things can happen in somebody's psychology, but all of that said we've got Almost never and a double negative. There's nothing wrong with a double negative But there's easier ways to say Yes, then Not no Okay, and and and if somebody's taking the Difficult way around to something that suggests to me They're making a journey that they don't really need to make and why are they making that journey? Why are they having to circumnavigate such an easy route to her to a yes to that? So alarm bells go off for me on that one scott. What do you think? All right, I think this is a situation where the witness prep Got a little bit out of hand. I think she went too far into it And she's trying to be to do exactly what they said. She's repeating the answer. So it sounds odd She's the whole thing just sounds weird and nobody said hey, listen man You need to dial a down notch from when they from when they took a break or something because that's just too much I mean she it just her answers sound odd as she's going through that She still answers all the questions. They're still short tight to the point And I think she's beginning to realize her her snarkiness isn't working on this attorney and that's starting to bug her a little bit Um, and she's not sure how to go forward since it's not working Um, so she can guard her ego properly or the way it should be guarded So she doesn't end up freaking out and blowing up on her. So that's what I got. Uh, chase. What do you got? So with this witness prep Scott, I think the reason that so much coaching is involved in this is because there's one thing they can't tell her Just tell the truth Which is what a lawyer should be telling their client But let's uh, let's break this one down in reverse Quentin Tarantino order, which means in regular order She smiles Corrects the expression to artificial sadness then looks at the jury to display it to them Then she looks back at the council with a cold emotionless face. This is in like two seconds this rapid shift of emotion and Right at this moment. Mr. Depp hits you in the face multiple times This look to the jury here is horrifying to me personally Watching it this morning. It was before the sun came up. It was dark in my office. I was a little scared There's a weird awkward smile while putting her head down Then she looks back at council at the council with no emotion then back to the jury with a sad face in my opinion Body language and behavior profiling is a lot like meteorology It's based in science and gives you likelihood where we deal in terms of likelihood But this is a rare occasion where I'm going to say there's a 99 and maybe a hundred percent chance of Precipitation here, which I mean deception There's no emotion No willingness to insert details on top of her answers, which is her baseline And the jury I think are all unconsciously processing this nonverbal behavior So in reality they are in the courtroom the jury is processing her behavior through this mammalian part of our brain We've been communicating non-verbally for a million years And they see these little rapid shifts in emotion And it sends a signal which gives us what we call a gut feeling since that part of the brain doesn't speak english We're like something is off But it's likely nobody can really put their finger on it because that the mammalian part of our brain doesn't really speak english So when we see something off we get that gut feeling and that's all I got greg. What do you got? Yes, I'll add on top of your clusters as I go through this But I got a handful of things to talk about number one There's that swivel switch turns your head or brow rises every time she looks at the jury If you don't think she's working the jury Then pay attention to the fact she looks at the jury when she's asking a clarifying question That would not happen if she was not working the jury. Now. Is that okay? Yeah, it's okay And she's probably Probably been prepped by her counsel that she needs to make a contact with that jury I'll also tell you I think mark you hit a couple of things dead on right there with these vocal ticks and the Lip compression come out around an emotional issue I think she's containing and I think what we're seeing here is well prepared to prevent her from doing what she did on the stand in 2016 or on the deposition in 2016 where she was snarky and talking down And aggressive you don't want that coming out here So if I'm if I'm the person who's prepping her I'd say that's correct is a fine answer Don't be snarky. That's correct. That's incorrect. You can see that she has absolute They're handful of things that we know that we can read She has contempt and this is not her usual drawn back left side of her mouth Is full bore contempt when she looks at that attorney. She does a light sway. We're talking about clusters now So we start to see things she does a light sway as they're asking her questions about punching mark again You had a dead on she avoided Anything about did he hit you with the rings on will he had rings on? Okay, she also used a provocative statement a provocative statement saying there were several incidents and a provocative statement Is a way to get your part of the story out by having the person ask you the next question John Nolan Confidential, he's a master. He was my my instructor to teach me all of that So you look at those pieces you start to say, okay, we got clusters here now. She's avoiding a question She says that's correct. We see she's locked down She does that provocative statement trying to give you more information trying to take you off path She does some discomfort in her movement, meaning it's rigid. It isn't fluid. We associate that with fight or flight So all that together now we start to say can we tell she's lying? No But we would certainly want to go after her and this attorney wants to go after her. That's it You said he hit you and he where he was wearing rings, right? so he hit you with Rings on every finger. I don't know if I've ever known Johnny to not wear rings Mr. You testified to an incident in march of 2013 where mr. Depp hit you in the face multiple times. Do you recall that? That's correct and you testified quote You don't know how many times he hit you in the face That's correct So mr. Depp hit you in the face multiple times while he was wearing rings on this occasion, correct Which occasion in March are you referencing you weren't the testimony that you gave on day 15 of this trial March of 2013 you weren't specific us to the day There were several incidents the one where he hit you several times in the face There were there was I'm sorry just so I understand better There were several incidents in march which one are you asking me about the time that he hit you several times in the face wearing rings well He pretty much always in March of 2013 right What are you asking me? I'm sorry He was wearing rings on that occasion I pretty much always knew him to wear rings. Okay. Let's please pull up defendants exhibit 170 A which is already in evidence your honor You testified this is the picture you took after that incident, right miss heard Yes, that was one where he grabbed me And hit you in the face so many times that you don't remember isn't that correct? That's correct And there's no injuries to your face in this picture are there Not that This picture shows And there's no medical records reflecting that you saw treatment after this alleged incident either I did not seek medical treatment at this time So there's no medical records reflecting any injuries to your face after he hit you several times I did not need to go to the doctor at the time Despite hitting you several times that you lost count with rings on your feet on his fingers That's correct. I did not seek medical attention Other than my therapist Mr. Are you testified that in January of 2015? There was an incident in Tokyo before uh, mr. Depp's mordecai the film mordecai's premiere. Is that correct? That's correct. You told this jury that on this occasion Mr. Depp was kneeling on your back That's correct in the closet And you also told this jury that you wore a backless dress to the mordecai premiere that very same night I did And you testified that you were Checking for bruises in the car on the way back on the way to the event to make sure that there There were quote no visible marks, right? I was checking on my phone Um After the event to see to make sure that nothing That you couldn't see anything Your testimony was that you were checking in the car on the way to the event To make sure that there were no marks on your back Perhaps I misspoke or misunderstood. It was on the way back from it was after I was concerned after You know concerned that there would be marks in any photographs since we were being photographed at Johnny's press event You didn't show this jury a picture of you in that backless dress though. Did you? Um, I don't know what you mean. I'm sorry. You didn't show this jury a picture of you at the mordecai premiere Wearing a backless dress. Did you I haven't had the opportunity to okay. I assume you have it I do Um, let's please pull up plaintiff's exhibit one two five six This is a picture of you and mr. Depp or the back of you At the mordecai premiere in tokyo correct miss heard that is correct Your honor, I moved to admit and publish this picture. All right one two five six and evidence This is you in the backless dress at the mordecai premiere in tokyo, right? That is correct You would agree that there are no bruises or visible marks on your back in this picture No, not that I could see All right, I'll go first on this one This is one of the largest micro expressions of anger I've ever seen And when she says the word after her entire face shows anger you can slow down take a look at it It's huge and you saw it you may not realize it, but you did see it And it shows she shows her lower teeth that chin juts outward and her brows furrow Everything and she squints everything shows anger on that is very brief really really brief It's micro expression and it actually happens twice right through which is that says after and then right there right after it And then on the word concern We're seeing anger as well And all the harm all marks of anger in that spot I think this is a fantastic study of full-on full facial micro expressions because these are every nail you'll see them like in in the in the OJ Simpson case. What's that little fella's name? They had the long hair that that uh Kato. Yeah. Yeah, Kato Kalin We saw him him with some anger as well in there a couple of times I remember I think it was Ackerman that put a couple of things out or maybe it was Joe put a Joe Navarro put a couple of things out Pictures were just captured hit that anger face I remember that like it was yesterday, but that's what this reminds me of and I'm going to pull those actually I'm using for training. They're so good Greg, what do you got? Here we are with a swivel switch again Turn her head brow goes up turn her head brow goes up. She says that's correct and qualifies in the closet Well, I don't know why in the closet matters But that's to her baseline because she gives us more information when something is actually going on She said I did and that's in baseline. She does that kind of scrunched face That eyelid flutter that starts is recognition that she's about to have to answer a question about wearing a backless dress After she had been beaten up So I think she knows that she sees it and then when she tries to get away from the question She narrows her eyes and does a faint misunderstanding so she can say I don't know what you mean She purses her lips makes eye contact with the jury and then goes back to the attorney With I've not had the opportunity and she raises her shoulders in helplessness. That's all congruent messaging So we think well that's at least looks truthful a lot of this other stuff doesn't But then we see another uncertainty is her brow knits and she says I assume you have the photo Well, yeah, that's not what you want to see but of course she does and then that's it for this one There's there's so much going on in this story But she is working the jury the way she's been told she's doing correct I did very short answers to prevent doing the wrong thing and mark I think this goes back to your cognitive control Thing about doodling or doing something else if you can remember I always say curl your toes in your shoes the mere fact that you're remembering what you've been told Brings your thinking brain back online and keeps you from switching over into limbic thought chase. What do you got? If these Sketches ever appear on ebay, I'm probably gonna just splurge and and get one But again here we're seeing this weird Face making for the jury display and I do think in my opinion and this is all my opinion. It's a display there's When this picture comes out on the screen of this backless dressed This ability that you're witnessing here is either The only human on earth who can go through several emotions in mere seconds Or the most talented emotional Manipulator that you might ever see that's my opinion That's jury sad victim attorney cold calculating jury smile back to the attorney cold just during that one piece And that's all I'm gonna focus on is this rapid shift of emotion And what we're seeing here is not really testimony. We're seeing a performance It's directed at an audience at very specific times looking at them Scanning the jury which you can see in this video. See if you can spot it There's a moment where the jury is being scanned During a question to see how they're responding to that question by Miss her was that the last one? No Oh, sorry mark. Go ahead. Lovely. Thank you So, uh, let me tie a few of those things together because we've talked a lot about the anger the contempt The disgust that we're seeing popping up But we have to recognize that That's part of her baseline and the first one of the first videos we did of amber heard We saw that popping up when she wasn't under stress and so you might think well great That's probably a good thing for her that it's part of her baseline and we might be able to discount some of those elements a little bit Well, unfortunately probably not Because there's a study out of switzerland. It's just one study. So, uh, you can count it or discount it but it found a massive correlation between the the, um, the emotions shown in the face of anger content and disgust and something called borderline personality disorder now Borderline is different for different people. Uh, and so, you know, you won't see this in everybody But in this particular this particular paper, they saw a good correlation Now, I'm not conflating, uh, borderline with histrionic. They're two different things But you can have both of them at the same time as well. And so all of this is pointing towards Potentially quite a difficult person to be around not impossible But difficult to be around and so I think we should keep that in mind that there may well be the thing is with with emotions Popping up in people's faces when they pop up now and again Most emotions don't last really much more than I would say 10 minutes because it's quite hard work for the body to deal with Okay, when they pop up for longer than 10 minutes We tend to call that a mood somebody's got into a bit of a mood It won't be high intensity, but it lasts a long time and moods can last for hours or parts of of days But usually when somebody wakes up the next morning That's why it's sometimes good to sleep on it when somebody wakes up the next morning Whole bunch of calcium has moved to another side of a neuron And and things are kind of forgotten about and you can't kind of be like what was that problem that I had yesterday? You can't quite remember it now If the mood goes on for a long long long long time days and maybe weeks and even months We tend to say that that might be an effective disorder And we'll start to see the same behaviors in people day after day after day And then we might start to move it towards well, maybe it's a personality disorder So I just wanted to bring that up You will see all of these things in her baseline But that might point towards an effective disorder or a personality disorder in my Little opinion there. Where are you mark? Where are you? I am in Banff. I'm in Banff in Canada in Calgary If you could see out the windows there, you would see magnificent mountains snow capped with incredible Trees but what you're seeing here is basically any Fairmont hotel that you've ever been in in your life You'll recognize these lamps from any Fairmont that you've ever been in Almost home almost at my hotel a few weeks ago Mr. You testified that in January of 2015 There was an incident in Tokyo before uh, mr. Depp's mordecai The film mordecai's premiere. Is that correct? That's correct. You told this jury that on this occasion Mr. Depp was kneeling on your back That's correct in the closet You also told this jury that you wore a backless dress to the mordecai premiere that very same night I did and you testified that you were Checking for bruises in the car on the way back on the way to the event to make sure that there were quote no visible marks right I was checking on my phone um After the event to see to make sure that nothing That you couldn't see anything Your testimony was that you were checking in the car on the way to the event To make sure that there were no marks on your back Perhaps I misspoke or misunderstood. It was on the way back from it was after I was concerned after You know concerned that there would be marks in any photographs since we were being photographed at Johnny's precedent And you didn't show this jury a picture of you in that backless dress though. Did you? Um, I don't know what you mean. I'm sorry. You didn't show this jury a picture of you at the mordecai premiere Wearing a backless dress. Did you I haven't had the opportunity to okay? I assume you have it I do um, let's please pull up plaintiff's exhibit one two five six This is a picture of you and mr. Dapp or the back of you At the mordecai premiere in tokyo, correct miss heard that is correct Your honor, I moved to admit and publish this picture. All right one two five six in evidence This is you in the backless dress at the mordecai premiere in tokyo, right? That is correct You would agree that there are no bruises or visible marks on your back in this picture No, not that I could see directing your attention is referred to The photograph this is a photograph you took in march of 2013, right? That is correct And this was taken at your apartment in orange. Yes And this is your breakfast table. That is correct And it's your testimony that mr. Dapp left this breakfast table just the way you took it That is correct So this is what the table looked like after mr. Dapp had been doing cocaine Uh, well clearly he has yet to snort these lines There are four lines cocaine on this table, right miss heard in this picture. I see four lines There isn't any cocaine residue around those lines, right? Uh, I'm not that I can tell no Doesn't really look like anyone's been doing cocaine off that table, does it? If I'll do respect. I'm not sure you know how that works I'm asking if you do You've testified you've done cocaine. I have Doesn't really look like mr. Dapp or anyone was doing cocaine off that table, does it? Uh, I beg to differ with you on that when you snort cocaine typically it goes into your nose And there doesn't say on the table There's residue from that cocaine when your lips and nose touch the table, right? Will the tampon applicator next to the credit I mean a driver's license that you see is A device that I believe my sister had taught him to use in order to Put the cocaine In your nose Mr. Dapp is a pretty heavy smoker, right? He is And and that's a cigarette in the ash tray in the back there Um back, right? Yes. It looks like one of his hand rolls There's no other cigarettes in that ash tray are there I see one cigarette The one that's not smoked That's correct There's no ash in that ash tray either is there Uh, not that I can tell in this picture. It's pretty clean In this picture it looks like it. Yes. It's a pretty neat table. Wouldn't you agree? Um Depends on what you would call neat I suppose And you sent this picture to your friend Rocky Pennington as well. Didn't you I sure did And when you sent it you said quote look at my morning or something like that. Is that right? Yay for mornings So you have a habit of sending stage photographs to your friend Rocky, don't you? I had a habit of communicating with my best friend about what was going on in my life You don't have any pictures of mr. Dapp actually consuming cocaine, do you? I don't think I have a picture of him mid snort. No You don't even have any pictures of mr. Dapp with cocaine What do you mean by that? Holding cocaine standing next to cocaine Um Sitting next to cocaine I don't know. I don't know Well, you haven't shown any of those pictures like that to the jury. Have you? I don't know. I know I haven't And you were never able to catch mr. Dapp with cocaine on film either Were you? I never tried But you were able to catch him sleeping, right? Uh, I have seen him pass out in all sorts of places. Yes Chase what do you got? These are some rapid and quick answers And then we're seeing after these in the beginning here. We see some backpedaling some not answering questions at all So one thing I will continuously tell since You're subscribing as we speak You're going to hear this quite often. What's being concealed in the story? Is there emotion? Is there details there sensory detail? What's being concealed or removed from a person's story? So instead of just looking at the verbal stuff the nonverbal stuff. What's being hidden in the story? Right when she says not that I can tell no This is the most strongest Indicator of anger that's not the anger facial expression that I could possibly see and this is a dominant shoulder Retreat the dominant shoulder starts moving away From the person that's asking questions Because I think as this Next question is loading. She knows where it's going and there's a lot of lower teeth exposure here and Right when she's saying I have a habit of communicating to my best friend There's some closed eye talking going on there which typically indicates in some people pretentious feelings of or self-pride and You haven't shown any pictures to that jury. We hear that Elicitation statement in there again John Nolan This is another bizarre expression Kind of flash to the jury. You can watch it right on her face. You can see it. The video is going to come up as soon as we're done Flashes to the jury and I want to talk really quickly about true and false facial expressions true facial expressions will fade off of the screen Or fade off of a person's face Over time a false facial expression is more likely to drop or fall off the face quickly But throughout this whole thing she's failing to answer questions. A lot of these questions are Kind of like designed to sound snarky on purpose I'm not sure. I think they could have been worried a little bit better, but I think she's doing a great job either way Staging photos question is like I think A way it could have been asked is like is your testimony here today That you didn't adjust a single aspect or detail of a single object on this table before taking this photograph and that Might elicit a different response. Mark. What do you think here's what I'm most interested on this No pictures of Johnny with cocaine, but pictures of Johnny passed out or as he calls it napping Now we've already heard from amber this idea of Cocaine is is taking cocaine is pretty cool because she sends pictures to her friend going. Yay. It's the morning This is me on my morning. Okay. This is a cool morning to to be had But she doesn't take pictures of Johnny doing cool stuff Like that she takes pictures of Johnny passed out or asleep I believe because that's embarrassing and not cool when you get to a certain age And you can't handle your drugs like you used to be able to do as a young rock and roller gets a bit embarrassing and so these are I think opportunities for amber to get evidence of the old man of The the disheveled past it Rock and roller Which will obviously raise her status as his Goes down and think about a personality that might like to raise their own status And if they can't have their status high Well, they just need to lower other peoples and have evidence Of that to bring theirs up Interesting stuff Greg, what do you got on this one? Yeah, one thing that you'll notice in this case that is missing She has been very engaging with the jury up to now And you'll notice she starts off engaging the jury with that switch She looks over her brow rises again And then she forgets that and she starts to get in a bind She shows some absolute contempt and some disgust as she engages The the attorney after she first looks over to these guys and goes well clearly you don't understand or whatever her words were there And she's trying to bring the jury along with her But suddenly she steps into that trap and I think mark you're dead on the attorney uses naivete Which means i'm feigning not to understand a complex thing. So you explain it to me it prays on our natural Instinct to teach so what you're doing is that she then starts to spill information And she has a rational response for why there is no No residue left and that kind of thing and then as she's moving through that you can't miss that she forgets to engage the jury For a long period of time in there That means she's fallen into this and her brain is working on whatever the problem is And I think she starts to realize then that she's fallen into this You watch her stretch her neck in some awkward kind of craned around let me see as she's trying to answer That's correct She moves her neck around to say let me see and her whole body Moves in an awkward fashion and she's stiff means her brain is starting to register. There's a threat You see her shrink she does a shrinking target what you guys have always called turtling I just call shrinking target and she actually asks a question that I think she's asking for real clarification When she says what do you mean by that because I think she's doing a little bit of squirrel in the road I think her brain is going oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, what do I do now? When she's asked do you have pictures of johnny? She does it looks like she's looking at the jury, but she isn't what she does is she first goes to her visual Accessing side and starts looking for hey, do I remember pictures? Are there possibly pictures? Uh and you can see that's when she's scrambling in the road And then she purses her lips into approval. This is a place where it looks like to me. She's fallen into it And she's kind of in a bind and it's maybe the first place we're seeing her actually starting to come To realize that this woman is actually a threat the rest of it I think she's been pretty prim pretty, you know direct with her and kind of short and snarky And I think here she fell for something she shouldn't have I agree with you mark Directing your attention has occurred to The photograph this is the photograph you took in March of 2013, right? That is correct and this was taken at your apartment in orange. Yes And this is your breakfast table. That is correct And it's your testimony that mr. Depp left this breakfast table just the way you took it That is correct So this is what the table looked like after mr. Depp had been doing cocaine Uh, well clearly he has yet to snort these lines There are four lines of cocaine on this table, right miss heard in this picture. I see four lines There isn't any cocaine residue around those lines, right? Uh, I'm not that I can tell no Doesn't really look like anyone's been doing cocaine off that table does it? If I'll do respect. I'm not sure you know how that works I'm asking if you do You've testified you've done cocaine I have Doesn't really look like mr. Depp or anyone was doing cocaine off that table does it? Uh, I beg to differ with you on that when you snort cocaine typically it goes into your nose And there doesn't stay on the table. There's residue from that cocaine when your lips and nose touch the table, right? Will the tampon applicator next to um the credit I mean um driver's license that you see is Uh device that uh, I believe my sister had taught him To use in order to Put the cocaine Uh In your nose Mr. Depp is a pretty heavy smoker, right? He is And and that's a cigarette in the ashtray in the back there Um back, right? Yes. It looks like one of his hand rolls There's no other cigarettes in that ashtray are there I see one cigarette The one that's not smoked That's correct There's no ash in that ashtray either is there? Uh not that I can tell in this picture. It's pretty clean In this picture it looks like it. Yes. It's a pretty neat table. Why don't you agree? Um Depends on what you would call neat I suppose and you sent this picture to your friend rocky pennington as well, didn't you? I sure did And when you sent it you said Well, look at my morning or something like that. Is that right? Yay for mornings So you have a habit of sending staged photographs to your friend rocky, don't you? I had a habit of communicating with my best friend about what was going on in my life You don't have any pictures of mr. Deb actually consuming cocaine. Do you? I don't think I have a picture of him mid snort No You don't even have any pictures of mr. Deb with cocaine What do you mean by that? Holding cocaine standing next to cocaine um Sitting next to cocaine I don't know. I don't know Well, you haven't shown any of those pictures like that to the jury. Have you I don't know I know I haven't And you were never able to catch mr. Deb with cocaine on film either Were you I never tried But you were able to catch him sleeping right I have seen him pass out in all sorts of places. Yes You testified under oath that quote the entirety of your divorce settlement was donated to charity and quote, didn't you? That's correct. I pledged the entirety No Mr. Herd my questions Your counsel will have time to redirect you after You testified under oath quote the entirety of your divorce settlement was donated To charity and quote that is correct. I pledged the entirety I'm going to move to strike everything after yes All right You Miss hurt I was really inappropriate I'll sustain the objection and we'll just move forward. Let's move forward next question Under oath that statement wasn't true. Was it miss heard? I'm sorry. I don't follow your question. Sorry You testified under oath quote the entirety of my divorce settlement was donated to charity and quote That statement wasn't true It is true. I pledged the entirety to charity The statement when you say you buy a house you don't pay for the entire house at one time You pay it over time. All right next question, please. Thank you That statement isn't true today as you sit here today. Is it It is true. I pledged the entirety but you didn't donate it Unfortunately You didn't donate it. It's a yes or no. I haven't been able to obligate. I mean to fulfill those So that's a no, right miss heard. I am I made the pledge. I want to be very clear. I pledged the entirety I haven't been able to fulfill those pledges because I've been sued you had all of the seven million dollars For 13 months before mr. Depp sued you and you chose not to pay it to the charities You pledged it to is not correct. I disagree with your characterization of that All right. Greg. What do you got? I'll try to keep this one as tight as I can she starts off with a real hard contempt face looking at the attorney She conditions the question. Here we go again. Instead of saying she Donated she said I pledged then she she goes to eye blocking The attorney puts her on notice and starts to illustrate and tell her exactly what to do And then one of my favorite parts of anything we've seen is she gets to this emotional head tilt where his heads eyes are down to the right Lips are drawn and her eyes are narrow. That's pre-conflict body language all day If you can't recognize that you're probably going to get in an argument with someone today Then she conditions the question again with I pledged then she goes to heart eye contact with low blink rate because she realizes This is a threat and then this is her saying what she thinks she's going to be able to get away with and she doesn't She goes to full on rejection Desmond morris tongue jut for rejection her chin out in defiance She changes her cadence and then she's full of contempt and sarcasm as she's working her way through Her blink rate increases and then the final blow is She conditions a question softens the question and distances the question with I Disagree with your characterization of that Now what's happening here is all that stuff that these attorneys have caused her to put in place to cover up 2016 amber has slipped and we're starting to see 2016 amber slide out of here chase. What do you got? Yeah, one thing you'll notice is she's using the same tactics around avoiding Truth around donation as she is around all the instances of violence right when the judge says let's move forward Right here. I want you to watch this. I think her Thinks that her games are working and wrongly assumes that the sustained objection means that her attorney won I do think that that's exactly what we're seeing She sits upright. There's condescension on the face. The chin goes up. This is a challenge behavior She's showing genuine joy in the game that's going on right now with this word salad testimony And we can upgrade this maybe to mark's favorite word. It might be a word lasagna But under oath That statement wasn't true. Was it misheard? So we hear that from the opposing counsel And I want you to watch the eye flutter. This is strange because it really stands out here And this helps her to delay the process and continue the game of deception that I believe she is genuinely enjoying In my opinion And when she says I disagree with your characterization of that there's a dismissive head tilt She feels I think entitled and almost proud to have learned these new methods of linguistic manipulation And those words are from her attorneys. I would I would bet on it At least four dollars on a side note This stone cold attorney Sitting next to depth is finally showing some emotion. This is the first time we're seeing him doing anything I think the entire courtroom is in disbelief right here and how someone could weave such a deep rooted web so Openly and blatantly And it might help us to ask ourselves the question What kind of person would be comfortable doing all of this scott? What do you got? All right I think she knows she's busted and that's where the nose goes up and that chin goes out and she looks down and knows that The attorney And almost every blink like you were talking about chase every blink is a double blink It's really really odd. It's really really odd because she does the eye lash flutter the eye blink flutter and all that Earlier on but this time every one of them is a double So I think that's something to point out there that just lets us know her Stress is just jacked really hard that same time. She looks back and forth from the jury We see that head when she turns her head does a thing where it goes back and forth like this And this is a so wavering thing back and forth. I think that's an adapter any repetitive behavior We see that as an adapter a way to get rid of that built up stress or tension and she's really tense and really stressed right here And I think that's what's happening mark. What do you got? Yeah, so negotiating the criteria here. It's argumentative and it is um semantic. It's a semantic word lasagna I think there but I actually think that's what she's doing is has some reasonable nature to it at a semantic level And she is accurate that in large gift giving you don't give it all at once just in the same way However, the anasurokin was accurate when she said rich people borrow money. That's true as well Okay, but really what's happening here is is they're trying to get out of That timeline of you didn't give all the money immediately. Well, I pledged it. Yeah, but you didn't give it So there's a semantic argument going on here um Johnny depths kind of sidekick there who's a who's an interesting little character doesn't seem to do Very much apart from this moment where he suddenly realizes He has a piece of information about the timeline and he's just desperate to give it And so when he gives it across and he hears the um the questioner the examiner read out What he's put forward he's there nodding his head and when it doesn't beat her because she is going to argue this one to the very very last because That's the kind of person she is and and it's to her benefit to keep on arguing this one When he it doesn't go his way. He simply can't believe it He's like he's a shock with the rest of the court like I can't believe this is going on But I think there is something quite reasonable in some ways about what's going on here in a court But you wouldn't want this kind of arguing day to day outside of A court because that could get really taxing on a day to day Basis and it may be That this particular personality might do this kind of argument on a daily basis, which could be quite taxing That's all I got on this one You testified under oath that quote the entirety of your divorce settlement was donated to charity and quote, didn't you That's correct. I pledged the entirety No Mr. Herd my questions Your counsel will have time to redirect you after You testified under oath quote the entirety of your divorce settlement was donated To charity and quote that is correct. I pledged the entirety I'm going to move to strike everything after yes All right It's hurt. This is really inappropriate. I'll sustain the objection and we'll just move forward Let's move forward next question Under oath that statement wasn't true. Was it miss heard? I'm sorry. I don't follow your question. Sorry You testified under oath quote the entirety of my divorce settlement was donated to charity and quote That statement wasn't true It is true. I pledged the entirety to charity The statement when you say you buy a house you don't pay for the entire house at one time You pay over time miss heard. All right next question, please. Thank you That statement isn't true today as you sit here today. Is it It is true. I pledged the entirety but you didn't donate it Unfortunately You didn't donate it. It's a yes or no. I haven't been able to obligate. I mean to fulfill those so that's a no, right miss heard I am I made the pledge. I want to be very clear. I pledge the entirety I haven't been able to fulfill those pledges because I've been sued you had all of the seven million dollars For 13 months before mr. Depp sued you and you chose not to pay it to the charities You pledged it to is that correct? I disagree with your characterization of that All right, fellas, I think this was a really good one and I'll see you next time