 Hello, welcome to the Toffy TV podcast. Cameron isn't here today and for that, Ori's morphed into a 40-year-old man. Pedding today. Why is there someone else here? Cameron's normally here for the podcast. Nobody's here, you just said he's morphed into a 40-year-old man. Yes, you're here. I'm clearly in my mid-30s. 39-year-old man. Plus three. Pedding in early today. You don't need to give away the secrets of what's going on behind the scenes. Or he's got an early and stuff. Yes, the boss is here. I'm on good behaviour. Don't have to be on good behaviour. This is your show. I'm a guest. This is my show. I'm a guest. Just do anything you want. If anything, you should be on good behaviour. I'm literally being good behavioured. Good behavioured. Firstly, let's speak English please. I'm dumbing it down for you. That's good of you. Anyway, we've had some breaking news today at the time of the recording. Aston Villa have announced. You could say a long time tag of Everton. Leon Bailey, obviously. I imagine if Baz was sat here. Well, Baz isn't sat here and that is because he's at home crying about Leon Bailey. He's crying into his big Leon Bailey pillow. What was your first thoughts about, obviously we heard about Bailey joining Villa a few days ago. I didn't believe it at first. Why didn't you believe it? It's not that I didn't believe it. I didn't want to believe it. He's not messy. He's a player that Everton has been linked with for the last couple of years. But he's mainly been linked with him because of Baz. Baz has made me believe that he's like messy though. He's not. If he was like messy. And he will solve all our problems. If he was like messy, he wouldn't be shining for Aston Villa, would he? Jeth, how do you think he'll do with Aston Villa? I think he'll probably do alright. I think he's that level of player. To be honest, that's the kind of player Everton should have been going after for the last four or five years. He's a Bailey kind of player. It is annoying that they've gone in, but they're selling Jack Reelish. This is the thing that Everton fans, or fans of most teams, I'd say, have to start coming to terms with. If you want nice things, you're probably going to have to sell nice things in the world of FFP. Lester have already found this out, and look how well they're doing. You get an asset that plays probably in a position where, I know this is not strictly too far from Jack Reelish, that plays in a position which is maybe not the sexiest in the world, and you sell them for a big fat wedge and then reinvest the money. This is football, this is going to be FFP going forward if it stays in its current form. If we had sold Dominic Harment-Lewin over Charleston or Dean, then we could have gone for Bailey, but we didn't. Our business that we do in terms of what we've done the last four years, five years, our recruitment six years is absolutely awful. We are where we are and he's gone to Villain and we'll see what happens. We'll see what happens. That's the thing, I think over the past five years we've not invested in many assets where you can buy low at a young age and sell high. Obviously we bought it at the age of 22, 23, but it's not where it's at as a player, you can sell high maybe. That is strange because he's 24, he's an international and nobody wants him. I think we've sort of straight off the path there is. We've bought shite. Let's get it right. We haven't bought. You can sit there and say, well, we bought this player and we bought that player and we should have bought this player at this age. We've bought shite, so therefore we have a very, very average football team. We have a very, very average squad with a few, yes, a few, really good players in it. But before you talked to me about this, about a Wobby, a Wobby isn't a good enough player. He wasn't, he was sapless of requirements at Arsenal for the very reasons he's sapless of requirements at Everton. I know he's not sapless of requirements. The point what we did, I look at Villa though, they're looking at someone like Todd Campbell, right, whether you like him or not. What he is, is that kind of player where you go, he's wanted by Norwich, they're in the Premier League, but they know they'll have to sell and that's where you have to look at it. We bought a player that wasn't being unnamed on this podcast and a year after, Lester went and bought Madison from Norwich for a lot less and now they've almost outgrown him but he still might go to Arsenal for a big chunk of edge and that's where we've gone completely wrong. Now, God 3 was a good indication that maybe we started to change but the problem is we don't actually have any money so it can continually do that. I mean, I was talking to John Blaine yesterday about our most recent mistakes because he was talking about that this has been going on for five, maybe six years and it's still happened up to recent and obviously the most recent mistake was Iwobi, which was two seasons ago. So I was thinking, obviously we made Branthwaite, Concw, Coffey Sign, it was all in a short period of time but then we also signed Hammershot Regas, which wasn't a brand signing, Allen and Decorate, both knocking around 30-ish, obviously Decorate 28 is it, Allen 30. Do you think they were the right signings at the right time? Yes, because they're first team players you know what you're going to get out of and it's not always about what the sell-on value of a player. Of course, you buy players and you hope they do well and if they do well, a big official come along and try and snarl them off you. That's just life, that is life, I think some people are still not used to, like why would Displate want to leave us all that player and go here? Well we do it all the time, we went, God free to pay for example, we went to Norwich off of the money, comes to a bigger club, one day someone might do that to us. That's just natural, that's just the circle of life as a circle of the lanking. But those players are first team players and the contacts they are on are quite sure. Don't forget, whatever happens with Hamas Rildegas, technically this is his final season anyway at Evan. He's got a year option, but that's here or there. Decorate is in a similar boat, I think he's got another year after this year and an extra year and I think Allen's in a similar boat. We brought Greir and he's on a similar kind of contact, I think it's three years plus if we want to give him another one. They're sensible, we are starting to get our house in order in terms of length of contacts and stuff like that, but the problem is certainly this somewhere the chickens have come home to roost. We are in a position where we just can't buy players because we can't sell players because no one really wants any of our players. Well you mentioned Hamas Rildegas. I think as this season ended we were going into June thinking well Keane's going to go this month and talk about June and he's going to be our spending money. That obviously hasn't happened and it's looking less like it's happened. Obviously, for a bit you're a man, I'll apologise to you that Rafa Benitez wants him to stay. So do you think it's come down to whether we can get money of Hamas Rildegas? Obviously we've gone in before a reported fee of nothing. He's cost us more wages because of that, but do you think if we can get some money from him that will allow us to go get a right back or do you think without selling anybody we won't bring anyone else in? If we don't sell anybody then I think we'll still do business but it will be late and ultimately it will be not a panic buy but they'll know they'll have to do something because the manager will want more players in. But at the moment I still think the bank on on players is going on. They'll be still banking on Moise Keane to go out and there was a report overnight that if La Caca goes to Chelsea which I could definitely see happening that into my mind might be interested in Moise Keane. Now that would suit us down to the ground but I don't know whether they would pay what we needed, would need them to pay because the owners have put the money out, haven't they? Obviously they'll get money for La Caca. But I don't imagine they would value Moise Keane is the same as what Paris Saint-Germain value. Now Evan might have to take, not a hit but they'd still get more money than they paid for but I imagine Evan would have to just take a little bit more and then if you do add Hamas Rodriguez onto that if he does leave then maybe that makes up the shortfall in what they were expecting from Moise Keane and then that would allow us to go forward. So if that happens it happens if Hamas Rodriguez leaves it's not because we need the money it's because he's a player in the last year's contract on big wages who the manager doesn't think he's a first team starter and if that's the case then it probably does suit everybody except the fans who obviously we're emotional in this it probably suits the club and the player for the player to move on it's not what people want to hear it's not what people want as fans but if you look at it in a cold, hard light if we didn't like Hamas Rodriguez we'd be quite happy with that and that's the difference I think in all of these scenarios is that when you're a fan you have to put it down to you whether you like someone or you don't like him we don't as a fan base particularly like Delph and we want Delph but if you think we want Delph to leave but if you think about it Delph is in a very very similar position to Hamas Rodriguez for fans we see the good in Hamas Rodriguez we see the goals and the assists and we look at it and go that way we're going to be losing that but the manager has already in his head or his plans compensated for that because he sees a system and a way of playing that doesn't fit with Hamas Rodriguez so it's like that's the two sides of the coin in football we don't like Delph, we're dead happy to go but he's in us last year and he's injury prone so it doesn't fit into the plans Hamas Rodriguez, we like big star scores, good goals provides is a magician but they're like two sides of the same coin and for fans that's we're obviously emotional about things well you mention is the goals Hamas goes then I think that's the thing for me if he leaves then it's the goal contribution obviously behind Dominic Cavill in Ray Charles there's not many obviously there's Hamas there with his goal contributions Dean's there with his assists but he's not scoring obviously he didn't score at all last season there's other plays that you know and then you go into Decora who's got three goals last season and then you centre back so if you're going to get rid of Hamas you need to replace the goal contributions but they've already decided how they're going to replace them though haven't they surely because if he does not fit into the plans then in the manager's head he doesn't play and if he doesn't play then again for the manager he's already decided how he's going to how he thinks things are going to work to replace those goals we just don't see that yet and people are not and that's the difficult part football managers always have is in their head they don't sit down and explain the plans to the fans you have to watch it unfold on the football pitch and it can be very difficult especially when disappointment is so different from others and splits the fan base people are not willing to give them the chance so it's going to be it's going to all unfold and we'll always Hamas a Degas might be sold let's get it right no one might come in for him and he will get opportunities if he stays I imagine but that's the difficulty in being a football manager you can't always relate to people what your plans are well we saw I think I mentioned before for a bit your Romano saying you can't meet as once Keen to stay it could be speculation, it could be rubbish it could be the club trying to put this thing saying oh yeah trying to get more money out of him maybe but if you were to stay do you think Keen could have an integral role in the squad I don't think you're now in a integral role because I don't think he's got a position in the team where he starts ahead of other people he's not a centre forward but then the manager might look sorry he is a centre forward he's not going to start a centre forward because of Dominic Harvent but with Charleston away obviously still at the Olympics stay through to the final for the first month of the season so we get to that international break I imagine that Charleston will be available so therefore Keen will be either a backup player or come off the bench he's got a chance to fight for his place Dom's only just come back to training this week and ultimately the manager might look at it and say I don't want to sell him but I understand if I have to because of the money it's going to bring in for other positions so therefore why is still a player I'm going to make it known that I like him and I want him to fight for his place because what we saw last year at PSG is in and around the box he can be an asset I don't think we've ever used him like PSG used him last season where he's in the box you get the ball to him like we got the ball to Dom he's a bit of a tapping agent to be honest that's not a terrible thing it's just that I think a lot of the time we saw him picking the ball outside the box and trying to run up people and stuff like that where really he's just more of a tapping agent and if you think about it if there wasn't a price on him or we didn't need the money then I would be like yes let's see what happens and that's again that's a decision if he's a good player they want him to stay but obviously there's money involved and the lads probably does want to go to PSG so it'll wake itself out in the next few weeks I imagine he seems professional if he stays and he's going to give it all anyway he's going to be professional about it obviously he's had a few games in pre-season there he's scored one goal against I'm not millenarios Pumas Unans decent goal the finish wasn't great but the most important thing is he's reacted got to it first and put it in the back in it but overall obviously we've had two games two practice games bang closed doors two games at the Florida Cup what have you made of the pre-season thus far again like last year it's difficult to quite put your finger on where we are because everything's a little bit disjointed again we're still under sort of where we are we all know it what the world is like we're still sort of in Covid rules it's the same for a lot of teams we're playing Man United on Saturday Chelsea played Arsenal last week at the Emirates it's a very strange pre-season Liverpool are playing two 60 minute games out in Germany or whatever they did it's all a bit strange so it's hard to put know exactly where we are but we had a couple of practice games that ease our way in that's good and then we played tougher games because two tougher games in Orlando the heat everything that went with it was really tough I imagine the sessions have been really tough double sessions in America and then this week it was about getting to the business end of it you're getting players back you're starting to work out your shape for the season you've got a Premier League opposition on Saturday Manchester United which have obviously been a very tough game because they've brought players in as well and they want to show them off and it's about just being ready for that first game but then it goes past that as well because I think we've always said this the season really starts the week after the international break in September that's when it always starts you could say that last year we won 7 out of 7 in that first before the break and then after that when we played Liverpool things started to settle down squad started to settle down and we found it difficult after that for a few weeks so that first part is still always up in the air that's why it's always you like to get off to a good start but it doesn't always mean that you're going to have a good season so I think we're alright we look fit, we look like we're getting a shape together I think that's the most important thing the manager knows what he wants and has known this 4-2-3-1 formation with a little bit of flexibility in the 3 looks like it's what he wants he's brought the plays in for that which is really important if you're going to play say it well have plays you can play in that way and yeah we'll know a little bit more once we get to as I said probably September time and we look at the fitness and we look at the shape and everything else but I wouldn't worry about the lack of games because I don't think it's a major problem it's good to play games and test yourself but they'll be playing games against themselves and affinch farm and stuff so it's looking okay well the Florida Cup I think what was interesting for me was seeing obviously a couple of the new signings I think Grey impressed me obviously we got to see the shape of the team and I liked how we used Grey in a number 10 used him wide used Townsend on the right, used him on the left I think Grey when I saw him in number 10 he just looked so energetic and so direct and it was lovely to see another player who was sort of like a new signing obviously he's probably played more of his pre-season and he's playing his whole Everton career obviously Jean-Volique Gabbamin what have you made of his pre-season so far in this cup doesn't he? Yeah he looks he looks like he can get around the pitch first of all which is the most important thing you know in his comeback he's played a couple of cameo roles in the competitive games I think he scored against Blackburn and I think it's just been important for him to get through and play games and start building up that fitness and I really hope by the time we get to the first league cup game which is normally what the last week in August or something like that it's normally after the second game hopefully that's like the first game he starts cos I don't think he needs to be rushed into the Premier League I don't think there needs to be this thing of how he's fit now just let him get a couple of times off the bench let him feel his way into the Premier League get up to the start get up to the speed of that because don't forget this is a lad who barely kicked the ball in the Premier League so it's not like he's this amazing Premier League player he's still very much untested at the Premier League level so let's just get him in and give him a chance and let him build in slowly but I'm just grateful that he's being fit and he is a new sign because he's played he's exactly what we need for me a big number six can get about the pitch and break up the play allow Alan to maybe get forward and chase the ball a bit more rather than sitting in allow Dacori to get push up a bit more maybe cos that's in Dacori I don't see them playing the three of them together I think he'll have to find some way to get him all in that's not how football works that goes against everything we've just been speaking about though because he wants to play four, two, three, one so I don't see the three of them playing unless we're playing in a game where tactically he plays three hold them cos the three hold them in fielders and he doesn't want Dacori might be able to switch into a more more of a number eight in a way and push through but I think he wants flexibility in those three players off the striker, he wants movement he wants to be able to swap places I think he wants to play at the moment it looks like he wants to play four, two, three, one and I think Gabbaman will have to just have to wait his turn I just don't see them playing the three cos I just think you're breaking up you're breaking up the style you want to play and if he's got a way he wants to play then let's just leave that leave the manager up to sorting that out I suppose it may be too soon to say because obviously you said we've not seen much women's Premier League, you've got to get up to speed but to pick between those three at the moment is going to be so hard because they've all got certain qualities I don't think Gabbaman starts games of football till he's proved he's fit enough I think Alan and Dacori are both proven players Dacori's a proven Premier League player there's still a little bit on Alan just because I think with the injury last season and the fact that he is a little bit little bit clumbus in the times and stuff I still think though if the manager allows those two to sit in front of the back four and allows Alan to press like you just said and the co-writer to be open down the pitch I think they're the starting two and I think you just let Gabbaman come in organically when he's ready and when he's had a few games and when maybe Alan needs a break and don't I just don't think there's any need to push Gabbaman I really don't because that could be the worst thing in the world he's trying to find his fitness and he's trying to find his feet so just let him do that without any pressure on him Well Dacori and Alan haven't played that many games together have we we know they're a good partnership but how many games did they play last season together and how many was it because they're always they've played more games together than either of them have with Gabbaman That's true Obviously we're getting some of the lads back now from the Copa America and they all always have a challenge to sell the Olympics but me and Dom pick for back so what I want to ask you is with our the current score we've got now let's ignore ins and outs for now we get on the first game of the season Southampton at home how do you see the manager lining up his first team sheet If it was exactly that what it is now the plays we've got Pickford Seamus Coleman Leucadine Ben Godfrey Michael Keane Alan Dacori three in front of him of um I think Grey Townsend I'm trying to think who that other player would be a Wobie and Dom Would it be a Wobie on the wing or Grey? No it would be a Wobie on the left and Townsend on the right Interesting That's not my team but I think that's how he would start the first game of the season again just allowing Jeri Mina to come in and get a couple of weeks training and make sure that he's all fit and everything and first couple of games just go with what you know it's a long season just go with what you know go with what is tested Michael Keane at centre back James Coleman at right back just go with what works and then evolve out of that first game of the season it is what it says it is you've got lots of time to grow and evolve and for other players to compete it doesn't always have to be this thing of like this is my best team and that's it it's just about finding 11 plays you can do a job on the first game of the season and that's it But you mentioned Jeri Mina obviously two years left on his contract do you think obviously this is the summer where he'll sell and get the most money he can before he's only got a year left obviously do you think Everton will be listening to offers for him obviously he's a player that may not play as many games a season as Michael Keane might or maybe even a Hallgate or a Godfrey but do you think they'll be listening to offers as late as the Canberth or do you think they'll sign that contract I think they'll be listening to offers I don't again I think I think a manager as pragmatic as Rafa Benitez will be looking at the situation with Marcel Brands thinking is injury record doesn't stack up against the idea of a new contract and the idea of what we'd be after payment in that new contract and again if you take before last season injury record wasn't actually that bad I think it just picked up injuries when and then was out for six games or whatever every time and once you start stacking those numbers up you want to build a defensive unit you want to have a left back and a right back and two centre backs who are your first choice other things come into it of course people pick up injuries and suspensions naturally but you want to be able to put your hand on your heart that's my back line and that would be the one I start for this like the most important in the season or whatever but if you can't really trust one of those players then that's where problems start to begin and I think I think if there was an offer then I think we'd look at it but the problem is we're in the last month now it's whether you get those players in in time and we can get them out in time and I think we've not had anyone who had a new contact which is really interesting he's normally just here like rumblins of one but we haven't so that's an easy one and he's not going to be sold anyway but with Jenny Mina being at an age where and at a contact you'd think that you're either going to protect the asset or you're going to let the asset go so it could be an interesting in the last few weeks but all I would say is if we did sell them I would want another centre back brought in who would be my number one centre back because I still think Ben Godfrey's a little bit raw just a little I need someone next to him but you just need someone next to him like that kind of experience just to get him through some games and not talk him through games but it's always good to have an experience around you where Michael Keane should be that player Michael Keane doesn't feel if I was a centre back next to Michael Keane I won't be full of confidence for yourself anyway but I don't think Michael Keane would fill me I think Michael Keane's I was so bad that you won an alpha in your defence anyone who's played football you're at one and alpha and you're sent in your line who's the organiser, who talks now Michael Keane might be like that but he might be quite a base in that you just want someone look at obviously two of the best teams well three of the best teams in the country city brought in van Baich and it all snapped into place city brought in the yards last summer and it's all snapped into place well that's the point it's look what they do for the place next to them the man here I said I've got McGuire who is that player but he needs someone next to him so they're bringing him for hand now and that organisation experience and pace and we've got centre back let's just say Coole Barley cos he's like the dream one what he would've been the dream on two years ago imagine Coole Barley next to a Ben Godfrey or a Mason Hallgate Mason Hallgate instantly has to step his game and would lay him from that player and I think Ben Godfrey would become a much better player again with that player next to him but I think people like Mason Hallgate or as you had a Ben Godfrey would go up another level with having that person next to him when you have centre backs or a lot of positions you have that imagine re-rope between them and I think what happens is when you have two players and this is when Michael Keane and Mason Hallgate last season had to talk to them when you don't have that imagine re-rope that's what you get situations where centre backs are falling over each other because they're not vocal enough that they can't reach at his game or for whatever reasons because you haven't got that clear leader who's defining what the other one should be doing as well as themselves and I think that when Man City lost Vincent Company he was that person until they had come in and that's what I'm saying stones just looks like the best English defender now and England benefit that from the Euros because stones is a good player he needed that someone next to him and I think that's what we could really benefit I think Yeri I think Yeri is that defender but he can play every week or he does play but then he just has these stretches of like five or six games where he doesn't play and our defence suddenly then goes to pot and it's about having it's about bringing that leader and you could rely on him all season that's going to be an interesting one again to know what's going on I still hold a lie I'm like for a hold a lie that's not a lie I still hold a lie for a Mason Holgate as a centre back just after that season before last there's Kyle's first season Silver's last but like you said he's been playing with Michael Key most of the season you don't imagine him falling over Kevin Ratcliffe do you? that's the point though you've got to have leaders who what you need is this way the best players in the world who they are because Michael Key is worrying about his own game he'll be asking the person next to him to do stuff but he's worrying about his own game and while he's worrying about his own game he's not worrying about the fella next to him so that's where mistakes start creeping in when you've got a player in defence who the other one knows you can rely on it just it creates a harmony and I think Mason Holgate playing someone next to Michael Key it's a recipe for disaster and when you've got even when Ben Godfrey and Mason Holgate they're young I know Mason Holgate is a little bit older they're both young and they could they could make mistakes you know buy accent because there's just that little bit it's experience you can't buy experience this is the thing the really really best players in the world do things at a very young age that you'd expect senior pros to do that's just something within them to read the game to understand the game if you haven't got that you need someone next who's just going to go like come here come here do this don't forget that talking to them and stuff like that and I think Jeremy Jeremy actually is a defender I think he's got a lot of that because he's not that old it's the instinct isn't it as a defender it's the vision for Jeremy and I call it being like a ball magnet I didn't carry my guise of ball magnet I know he can make mistakes and he can be turned for patient stuff and that's why they're bringing it back on but he's your ball magnet he knows where to be they see the danger they see the danger before it happens Palo Maldini once said once you make a slide tackle you've already lost something like that not even that you should have got it you shouldn't have got to that stage and that's what the best defenders do and I would love us to get a centre back I don't even know what a centre back is but I would love us to get a centre back who just had that now because I still think we've got a collection of centre backs who are desperate for a leader desperate for someone like Jags in his prime or whoever when we had Dave Watson the different kind of era when we had Lescott and Jags, Lescott was like that but Jags was like that that's why he was so good together that's why Man City what Man City actually made a mistake when he bought Lescott but they just complimented each other because Jags was a captain he was a leader in terms of defence of leader Jolene and Lescott at the pace and he could score goals Lescott did have compliments of City no, of course but we've got good defenders I don't think we've got a brilliant partnership and that will always lead to the odd mistake and I think that's where if yet he never got injured he'd be minding no issues whatever I think he's a great defender but those defensive those injury issues crept in a little bit more last year but you mentioned Culler Barley and he would be the dream but I don't think we've got the facilities I don't think we have got the facilities for that but also his ages the money they'd won for him it's another play looking to replace in two years he's a kind of player though if you were a if you were a team going for the title and you needed to go and get somebody to make your team almost perfect he'd be that perfect age now but for us I just think it would make any difference you're right we haven't got the money to go and get them anyway I think we've got the money to get many of plays at the moment to be fair just to finish off man United this Saturday 1245 kickoff are you looking forward to it old Shrafford well I'm going for the start so yeah I'm looking for punishments I bought a ticket yesterday so I'm going on my own on Saturday well done me I don't know listen it's a game of 40 see what how we how we line up see what the manager just to be honest I'm just going to be dead interested to see our fans being back at the 40 match and the reaction to Rafa Benitez in a in a in a in some way where I suppose is it's not good of some park for the first Premier League game so if there's any kind of frustrations or anything about maybe Hammers or Rodriguez or anything like that you know to be in the company of one United fans it will feel it might feel like I hope it isn't because I just wanted to just be like well he's our manager let's just get on with it I don't expect like standing ovations for anything but I think it just be the best thing in the way it would just be if having fans could just go see that team on the pitch let's just focus on them forget using the dugout if you don't like him just get on with it but it's an interesting game because obviously it's another Premier League team but it is what it is whatever happens happens it will be a good run out it will be probably 75 to 80% of what the Premier League game would be they've got the like the Sancho it will just be interesting to see both teams that's the both thing it's a chance for both teams to have a look at the new players trying to bed them in they've got a Premier League game that's not got points on it to try and do with that which is I think it's perfect bit different though isn't it looking forward to seeing Damari Grey when they brought in like Sancho and Sancho and Varan and Varan but that's just where we are at the moment isn't it the levels where we are at the moment and you have to cut your cloth and we have done and yeah if we could go and put a decent performance in and you know when I say decent performance I mean a performance that shows that there's a there's a start of play and we're moving forward because what one thing I would say like last season a lot of people said we're like we're looking at the situation with Carlo until that's the insane well it's great that we won all these games away from home but and it's terrible that we haven't won any old games but at the same time where's the start of play what are we we haven't gone anywhere, we haven't done anything we haven't created something that's moving forward that you know is going to be an improvement so if stay away from day one the Rafferbinators knows what he wants and doesn't just change the system to because we're not playing well or or whatever then that's a good start that means you've got an identity and all fans really want is an identity I know people want an identity off the pitch which is I understand that it's massive because your football club is your identity but you need an identity on the pitch you need to know what your style of play is and also how the players are growing into it because that makes it easier for the players if the players are playing one system one week and then you're like oh next week we're playing so and so so we're going to be there to playing three holding midfielders and blah blah blah I don't think that you want to assist not works both ways defensively and attacking and you don't change it for anybody unless you haven't got the players for whatever reason you've got to create a way of playing and I hope that's what we start seeing on Satie I think with Carlo it's more of a just player than a style of play but we'll see on Satie how it pans out I think so far we've seen him in 3C it looks good but yeah we'll leave it there if you want more videos and to do live exclusive videos head over to Patreon if you want to watch this podcast rather than listen to it if they weren't watching it just then they wouldn't have seen your hands go do them that's true you also wouldn't see my leg right now head 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