 Welcome to the Zeldinformer podcast. I'm your host Alfred Tabax joined today by three different people Well, one of them is the same person the other two are a bit new. So first, of course, we've got the podcast co-host Nate Yeah, I'm a different person because I miss one week. Come on. Yeah, I said you're the same person Yeah, we don't want to the same people And then we have two Well, one of them is returning kind of Daniel's been with us before I say hi Daniel. Hello Daniel There you go. And then we have a new guest on tonight who is or today whenever you're listening to this Who's one of our news writers say hello to Andy? Hello everybody So this week I was thinking about Kind of just about this year and some things that I wanted to go over just talk about and before we get into that someone was On our Facebook page someone brought up a fan topic that I wanted to talk about This is kind of something we talked about last week or the week before when Nate and I went over that huge topic this one was about a couple of them actually were about returning items such as like the fire rod or maybe returning races or Masks in in the Zelda games like a Majora's Mask And so I was kind of wondering what you guys's opinions on that were like for example, do you think Breath of the Wild Should have some old items returning such as fire rods or stuff or more dramatic Mechanics such as transformation masks or masks in general. What are your guys opinions on that one? Well, we already we already have seen that the fire rods, which was the example you said is in the game Although it's breakable. So it's not a permanent item like we've seen before in Zelda games But if even if we get the temporary items that are breakable, I'd love to see more more Zelda items If you could find a hookshot or claw shot even if it's Breakable or it wears down over time. I'd love to see that especially with the physics that Breath of the Wild has The things that you could do with these kind of items would be really cool I mean, I think that we're gonna see all like the Zelda staples back Right like the claw shot the the bombs etc. etc The coolest part of a new Zelda game for me is seeing what the items what the new items aren't what they're gonna do in the World around you so I Would lean a little bit more towards I'd like to see some newer stuff. I mean obviously we're not gonna get you know Rockscape or anything like that So yeah, I mean, let's see what let's see what new items there are and see Hopefully they can use them in multiple shrines a little problem before was that you'd get an item and just be Specific to a dungeon not much use after that. So I'm pretty excited to see where they go with that All right, you Nate. I think the only thing I like about returning items is Seeing what new ways those items are gonna be used You know as we've seen with the fire rod You know, we've seen fire rods in the past where It's it's flames out or it throws a fireball But even in like between worlds, I think it's split into three fireballs and even like grass on fire Which is all great But like in Breath of the Wild the fireball bounces around and has like a special spin attack version that throws out a bunch of them And because of the physics it bounces everywhere the wind affects it So it's really interesting to me to see how they take What these items have done in the past and do something new with them And I think we already know that there's a lightning rod in the game. We just haven't seen it be used So it's It's really interesting. I'm a person that almost I always like having new items because then I don't know what to expect with them Whereas you get a fire rod. I kind of expect what that thing's gonna do Whereas with new items. I don't always know but No, there's a lot of old items. I think you come back I think transformation masks as an example is something that could easily come back Mm-hmm, especially in the context of the way of the open world in this game I think I think that'd be your really really clever addition Yeah, like there's just so many different ways that they could incorporate some of those older items So yeah, I mean I'm out it gets new items coming back I just want to see what new things are gonna do with them to make it not feel Exactly the same as it you know the thing too back in in Twilight Princess was they they kind of took the hook shot and And almost turned into spider-man with it too, right like the way giving you the claw shot So what was old was new again? So even if they put a twist on something like that, that'd be really cool And I was thinking about this too it kind of in reference to masks or Even like the ocarina of time or something like that. It would be cool to see a callback to that the the main focus of those items Was the core of the game like they were made and the game was kind of made around them and so I don't know how It would be or how it would look or how it would feel to see them in a lesser role kind of in just like a Oh, yeah, well, there's there's the ocarina now. You just use it once or twice I mean The reason why those were so popular the reason why those made an impact was because the game was was specifically Tailored around them like Majora's Mask was all like the masks were everything. Oh, the dwarven Everything an ocarina of time. This is the Wind Waker Twilight Princess mechanics that they're all built around a specific mechanic And so bigger items like that that have more of an impact on gameplay I don't know if we're gonna see in Breath of the Wild. That would be cool I just don't know if Nintendo would throw in You know transformation masks Whereas like fire rods ice rods lightning rods stuff like that. That's more of a weapon as opposed to like a completely new game plan mechanic But that's just kind of my Where I fall in like no, I'm not saying I wouldn't like to see them back in it, but Realistically, that's that's kind of what I'm thinking for that as long as it can as long as it can serve a Greater purpose other than maybe a one-and-done shrine then I'm all for having those items in but if it's gonna If it's gonna be one of those things that's just in there for the sake of being it in there Then yeah, I think we can move on to something new is what I'm thinking So I just wanted to have a little talk about Zelda at the beginning of this because this is elder form of podcast And while there has been some news trickling out It's not a lot of significant stuff unless Nate wants to call me out on that What? New enemy in breath of the wild. There's a new enemy in breath of the wild. It looks like one of that looks The looks bad ass smaller guardians, too Yeah, let's have one of those mini guardians from the Shrines, but like and more badass because I've been playing Skyrim But it reminded me of that little that little dwarven sphere that attacks you as Skyrim Yeah, yeah that guy Yeah, so that it looks pretty cool. I haven't I didn't get to read the article yet though Sorry, Nate. Well, there isn't really anything to read about it. It's just a screenshot. Yeah So kind of transitioning then to the switch is probably what a lot of this is going to be on is just Nintendo on the switch There's this kind of a Topic that we kind of talked about we talked about the virtual console a while back but reports have been coming out that the switch Nintendo switch is gonna have a There were quotes around this a quote unquote disappointing virtual console at launch and I kind of wanted to know what your guys thoughts on that word Do you think Nintendo needs to have a strong virtual console at launch or what's the deal with that? No No, it's okay You know, I don't have a lot to say on this except that Nintendo's never had a strong virtual console at launch So it's kind of one of those that I don't think anyone buys these systems for the virtual console. I think it's just a bonus So I think it's one of those that if this was the continuing of architecture like Nintendo was Keeping the same like kind of hardware Going forward and just beefing it up I would expect a strong virtual console launch because it should just carry over the entire virtual console from Wii U But since they're basically hitting the reset button, hopefully for the last time I Definitely don't expect them to have a strong launch nor do I think it's not important I think switch to or whatever the next thing is after the switch That will be important to carry over whatever the switch has for a VC, but right now I honestly don't see that as being a make or break as long as This is kind of the caveat that we you did allow you're able to Maybe sort of like attach the games that you have on your Wii U to an account So when those games do release on the switch, you can just download them, you know, the report But again, they didn't even do that on the Wii U like on the Wii U and they released them for the Wii U You had to even if you had the game on the Wii, you still had to pay a small fee So, yeah, I don't know At launch, I don't think it's that important But I think it is important how they treat their Wii U customers when it comes to the virtual console Well, I mean, here's my thing is define disappointing right like Disappointing to me is going to be launching with all of the same like like three Super Mario Bros. titles The same Zelda the same Metroid that they launched with before It's going to be launching with all the games that were just on the NES classic. It's going to be It's going to be basically carrying forward and rebuying all the games that I bought on my Wii virtual console and then my Wii U virtual console, right, so To me to me a non disappointing launch is hey, here's Super Mario Sunshine or or something like that, right? It's something a little bit new. So if it's just the same game rebuying it again and again and again Yeah, it's disappointing, but I like I don't think that's a a make-or-break Thing for me, and I'm sure it's not for a lot of people either Yeah, you know, they've mentioned before or at least I think there's rumors flying about that There is supposed to be game to virtual console coming to the switch, but yeah, I think I'm on the same page I think that People are gonna buy the switch for switch games or and for the switch the the idea of the switch itself Which is its portability. I don't I can't picture anyone thinking like I'm gonna go buy a Nintendo switch. So I can download Super Mario Bros 3, you know, um, I Don't and if they can after they buy it like like Nate said that's just a bonus You know, but I think that the switch has to have a strong lineup of its own It can't rely on virtual console to sell it. That's not the selling point Yes, that's what I was thinking is that the the virtual console lineup doesn't really Have to make as much of an impact as the actual starting lineup for the console itself So it can have a great like it can literally have a completely full virtual console lineup But if it doesn't have good You know first day games Then it's it's not gonna be a big hit because you know, like you said, we've we've already bought Super Mario Bros and Super Mario 64 unless it has like 15 Gamecube games coming out on the switch straight up for Like virtual console day one then I don't really know because I mean Let's let's be honest most of the greatest Nintendo games are already on the virtual console as it is right now So they can have every great game that they've ever had and that's still gonna be if I was buying just for that I wouldn't spend, you know X amount of hundred bucks on that just to buy the same virtual console games But but I mean but I mean you guys are right like I didn't buy a 3ds to play, you know, Link's awakening, right? I bought it to play the new stuff coming out Yeah, and I think that that's the important thing to think about when they're talking about the disappointing virtual console is that it's You know, that's like mate said it's a secondary thing. It's a bonus That's not really what pushes consoles like that Nintendo doesn't put those up there and go through the time to Port them over onto the switch To make millions and millions of dollars. They're mostly a secondary thing I guess you could say they're for fans And I kind of put it out there that I don't know at least personally I don't know when the virtual console hasn't been overall disappointing Um Like when they announced this idea with the Wii it's cool. It's new like whatever But then they started trickling games out so slow But they also had WiiWare for that. They did but it was just so slow And then they did the exact same thing with the Wii U and it almost feels like if that's how they do it with the switch It's like they're not learning anything From the mistakes in the past Yeah, they can be and Shouldn't like if they were able to sit there and put together 30 of the best NES games into an NES classic With awesome emulation everything like, you know Pretty quickly. Why can't they just like package a whole bunch of games or release them at once on the Switch that have good emulation and all that instead of having to have me like yeah We're releasing like 20 games a year and only five of them you care about well Now here's a question for you guys, too Is it is it possible we see a decline of virtual console and maybe a rise in let's say they put together a Super Nintendo classic or any of classic 2 or something like that? Like what do you guys like that? Well, I don't know if they gave a Super Nintendo I love it and there's actually a I saw some news today that kind of supports there might be a Super Nintendo classic money That they found out they found a patent for a Super Nintendo controller But I don't think Nintendo would go out of the way to stop virtual console. No, I don't think they view it as a same market Well, also like I getting a NES classic right now is almost impossible I've been trying to get one since they came out. I didn't pre-order one or anything. Could you but they're For I don't know. They're probably sold out when I was trying to pre-order them but at Walmart right now the the base price for one is two hundred fifty dollars and That's that's it retail I don't know if I've ever seen a retail price go up like that because of demand And again like we've talked about, you know, you just said Nintendo How it doesn't hasn't learned from their past in terms of certain things. It's the same thing like that who? Didn't think that something like this would be popular It was like no no no again people are gonna want one and I wrote an editorial about this over at Nintendo Prime about the classic and like Nintendo I Don't know. They're either really stupid Which it's very easy to see how they're really stupid or they just especially in North America view this as a viable business plan of Not producing enough of something to drive demand to ensure it sells out for years to come I just don't get that strategy though Like like I wanted one for Christmas, right? And that would have been a perfect thing for let's say my girlfriend who doesn't know anything about games Just pick up and buy and I feel like a lot of people were in the same boat as me And now that now that chance is missed because they didn't ship enough. It's just Manufacturing demand is great, but eventually you have to follow through sure Well, there's also the like like, you know, you could be on that side Oh, I was gonna buy one for Christmas couldn't get one now I'm not gonna buy one at all. But then there's also the crowd that are like Jim Sterling who came out and said look I didn't even I wasn't even interested in this thing But because it's rare if I see one on a store shelf. I'm gonna buy it That and he would not have bought it if it was in plenty of stock and easy to get so like Well, that's worse than because the people that do want it Well, I know but but that that that supports Nintendo's theory of create demand by not having as many I was here's someone who wasn't gonna buy one exact same thing with Yeah, like that. Yeah, it was hated that I hate that marketing But it worked. That's the thing it worked And like that that's that's where I see like Nintendo's never gonna publicly say that's what they're doing because it's a really shitty thing to do But clearly it they keep doing it and it keeps working So it's like and it's only in North America the rest of the world like Japan doesn't have this problem They have too many of the Famicom's it's so easy to get it in their country the Famicom classic edition Or a Famicom mini whatever they call it over there like, you know, the sales figures even show Like like the NES was more popular in the United States We have over twice the population of Japan, but Japan has like 500,000 units of this thing And we only got like 200,000 and they didn't even sell out of all their units So it's like a massive priority thing that they just screwed up and it's just like if they were to release 500,000 units in the United States. They probably would have sold out in any ways Yeah Well, here's the thing that that confuses me is that this was pretty much the only thing that they had going for them this holiday season There's really nothing else that I could think of that they were trying to push the we use pretty much being taken off Yeah, that could justify but I agree. Yeah. Yeah, but that's that's one game for one console Like this is a separate console $60 30 games Like this is a big thing that you'd think that Everyone would want and everyone does want But they my only hope my only hope in the United States is that the reason the stock is so limited It's because when the switch comes out, you'll be able to for like 30 bucks get all 30 of those games day one there Because because that because because if you get topped to your emulation Just like the NES classic you also get the dock to play it on your TV and take it with you And it's cheaper because you don't have to buy a separate system because they already have the switch But but again, you know, the people who bought the NES classic that might feel like idiots Because they paid $60 to get those 30 games But you know, I'm just trying to think of like how in the world they can make this okay again Because they never really apologized for the amiibo thing like yeah, we'll restock eventually and they did Yeah, I mean they did it I almost painted I had to order mine from Japan What's the thing like like an amiibo it that's even one of the same thing amiibo are not region locked So you get you can get them from Japan if you want to pay a little extra Or a lot extra depending on what retailer you get it from So, you know amiibo I almost was forgiving because it was still possible to get those rare amiibo You just had to import Yeah, and he has classic you can't because yes, you could buy the Japanese one you could buy the European one But they all have different games So languages and language. Yeah, I mean the European one had you know, you'd be fine with that one, but still it's just like I Don't know. It's a business strategy I think they do on purpose but can't ever admit to so they're always just gonna say we underestimate a demand and the other I really believe they underestimate the man was with the we yeah And I think because the we was like a happy accident But you know because they have been losing popularity There was like no hype for the thing going into the launch and it blew up So like I get it like it's easy to see why they underestimated demand They had no reason to believe that was a hundred million unit seller But it was and so you could forgive them for doing that once But I think what happened is Nintendo saw the demand for that Just stay really really high for two years because it was so hard to get that they're like hey Why don't we just do this with everything in the United States? I just think they really missed the boat like they had I mean a lot of a lot of people that were gonna buy the NES Class were probably older some of them might have kids. There was a chance for new fans and Yeah, you were only now, right? Yeah, it was only gonna be people who played any as games. I wanted the NES classic. Yeah, I Think that that was like overall it was a poor I mean you can look at it from two ways you look at it from as as yeah It was good that they created artificial to make some more people want them now But at the same time well at a consumer level, it's shitty. There's no way I look at it as that's good for me That's good like no. Well, how many of us here at a business level do any of us own one. Nope No, I actually I do. Yeah, I don't I don't my only hope right now Is I submitted an email to Nintendo asking for a review copy and they and they told me that they don't even know Have enough stock to hand out all the review copy like Like I don't know what Nintendo is doing it. It's really weird And maybe it's just because they had caught in a bit I mean I could believe that may you know Maybe they're stupid and that they're caught in this situation where they're trying to make NES classics and At the same time they're trying to develop switch units and they just do not have enough factories to do it. I Just I don't know they had to have known about this NES classic thing so long ago to make enough units And like the reason that Japan has so much production compared to the United States where it's selling better. I I don't I just don't know what Nintendo is doing with this thing. It doesn't make any sense to me. I Mean that's pretty much, you know, we never really know what Nintendo is doing That's why I said it's got to be on purpose because they've seen it work So I think it's gonna work again, and it probably will help up here. We are Here we are entering January and you still can't get the thing Because it's selling out every like literally three units of a lot arrived at my local Walmart yesterday I was there at midnight and I was like eight eighth in line to get it Yeah, GameStop here had like Three full restocks at the three want three different game stops and they sold out almost instantly So it's working. It's not what sucks about it is I know if this is there if they're doing it on purpose It is working already And that sucks because it's gonna make Nintendo want to do it again in the future Well, I mean the really crappy thing is so you guys are in the States If I'm correct in I'm in Canada, so we even get your left over so it's even harder to find here So I'm Canadian to Andy. Yeah, so basically If you ever want something Nintendo at launch better be lucky enough to get a pre-order in or you're screwed Yeah, like they kept saying oh, you know, there's been a lot of talk lately about oh Who cares about pre-orders? It doesn't matter things are plentiful. Not if you're a Nintendo fan Well, that makes me nervous Yeah, you want it you want to switch you better get that pre-order as soon as it opens They don't have they don't have open locally here yet, but I'm assuming that 12 or 13 So like I'm literally I'm gonna have an online and an in-store pre-order just in case one gets canceled But I might just hand off my one of them. Yeah, just because of that Best Buy fiasco with Majora's mask. Oh my god Oh boy, if you get both you have to mail me No, no, no, I'm gonna hand one off because I can't afford to buy Shout out to Best Buy the Wicked Boxing Day sale. Oh a couple games. Nice. Nice. It's always good So speaking of sales, thank you for that wonderful So Nintendo cut up a winter sale Over between before Christmas and it's still kind of continuing But it's quite possibly one of the worst sales I've ever seen in my entire life There's not a single first-party game on that list. It's like the most recognizable one was a Monster hunter game. What is the what let me see this winter? Like a bunch of Lego games. Yeah It was a bunch of other games, but now they've just put it as a Capcom sale, okay? Yeah, I see that now Yeah, the Capcom winter sale But originally it was a bunch of other games like I had a Skylanders game for we well It's possible. Okay, so they just did a sale period during like the early part of December and end of November For Nintendo games, so maybe this was supposed to be a third-party game sale Maybe But at the same time it was a little confusing to not see for their winter sale to not see a Big Nintendo headline develop even Paper Mario Color Splash like that would have been fine to see as I'm looking at now I mean obviously they're relabeled it as they should have at the beginning. Yeah, like there's good There's a lot of good games on here. They're just no Nintendo games Yeah, well had other games on there like I remember the they had a list of like I guess the most popular They always do this most popular all the way down And so had like Skylanders supercharged from $59 to 25 And then it went down monster hunter games like a lot of indies or resonant evil revelations five bucks Yeah, I mean, they're not it's not a bad sale If you really want some of these Capcom games, but the problem that I was thinking about is that there really wasn't in a tender Yeah, the initial marketing was not good But the most important thing on here is that solitaire drop a dollar in price So kind of thinking about that. What do you guys think about Nintendo's strategy on on sales? Because they they don't usually have a lot of good ones I think It could be very hit or miss. See, you know like yeah Like I got in this debate with some people on neogap because someone posted up Why doesn't Nintendo have sales like the PlayStation Network does and then someone literally gathered up all of Nintendo sales that they've done for like the past two years on Wii U and 3ds and Actually, they've outdone the PlayStation Network with sales in terms of like even major games getting discounted the thing is is that Their best games don't get discounted and I don't think they ever are going to get discounted because that's not what Nintendo does Which kind of confuses like color splash is already discounted some retailers It's not discounted reason. Well, yeah, they're too much usually it's the I know you don't like the game But it's actually very no idea. It's reviewed. Well, but the physical copies aren't selling. Well, so, you know, they reduce the price That's just what retail is just not a popular game. What if it doesn't sell well, they're gonna price. Um, I Actually think they've done Having been through that debate and actually looking back at their sales. I don't think it's that bad I don't like what steam does with sales, which I know so many people love how steam does it. I hate it Think it's dumb. I think you end up buying you end up wasting money on games. You're never gonna play. Yep I'm proof of that and That's why unless you're careful I like Nintendo sales because you know, I see things like I don't own resident evil revelations But now for five bucks That's worth it to me to go grab that came that I would have never played otherwise, you know Nintendo remastered, you know, six they make a premium game and charge a premium price for and I appreciate that because when you buy The game you buy the game, right? You don't you know that you're not gonna get DLC that that is released Like what week later or whatever, right? Yeah, so I could appreciate them not not discounting their titles like that So they just they never seem to maybe put the games on sale that maybe need to push I'm a big fan of Xenoblade and once that came out it seemed to have been forgotten, right? That's that's exactly the kind of game that you know, the average person who doesn't know what that is isn't probably gonna pay 70 bucks for it, but if it's on sale for 30 40 bucks, they might give it a shot, right? So yeah, and I see like I see what Nintendo wants to do in avoiding like Steams of mentality because so many steam consumers now be like, why would you ever buy a game at full price? They're gonna flash sale. Exactly And Nintendo not doing those means you could feel confident as a consumer and buying a game day one because you know You're not gonna feel ripped off that it's gonna be 20 bucks cheaper next month Well, there is a difference between steam and Nintendo because I I don't I rarely buy the digital copies in Nintendo games because although that's a whole other Well, yeah, but because of the hard drive space and all that but Nintendo can go like The the sales they don't really control the sales in store That's that's not really no, yeah, or even on Amazon Amazon always just yeah That's that's not Nintendo's they don't have any they don't really have any saying that but when it comes to Their their console or they're not the virtual console, but they're there we use shop Like I'm at least surprised that they didn't have like poking tournament discounted for people to go play Like like I'm not expecting them to just write off the bat discount Pokemon Sun and Moon Like I Nintendo has never been one to just discount a game like that and you know typically whenever you see a game That's just come out on steam that's getting discounted. It's like, okay Civ Civ 6 is discounted and it went from $60 to $55. It's not really a discount. You save five bucks But looking at games that are still kind of getting like poking tournament still getting support It's not as publicized anymore, but it's so getting support. You'd think that they'd want to discount Yeah, and be like hey guys, this is a fun. Yeah, I think what Nintendo has lost out on with some of those games like polka tournament And I'm gonna I'm gonna nail this specifically to games that have online play Is that they are missing out on a secondary market of people who are never gonna buy your game But would jump in for half off Yeah, and it's a market I think that steam actually does very very well, like you know, you have Civ 6, which yeah I don't it came out recently, but in January there's gonna be a flash sale It's half off it's gonna happen and people who were not going to buy Civ might be tempted to buy it now And what's important for games like that like Civ or like poking tournament is the online functionality You beef up that online Aspect of having more players which in turn can lead to higher sales day one on poking tournament, too And I think it's a market Nintendo could hit better Especially on games that just aren't selling that well Even if it's a digital only sale now the only thing I'll say in defense of their digital at this point I'll say the fact that apparently Apparently after doing the research Nintendo actually has pretty good digital sales compared to their competition in the console market It's that they don't Because how Nintendo digital is in a really bad spot right now everything's system-tied So I almost don't even care about digital sales Because I don't want to buy a game. I can't guarantee I can take with me on the next system Rumor has it that the switch is gonna make everything account based which is what should have been rumor also had it That's what the Wii U is gonna do to be fair as well It was though that the rumor with Nintendo with sorry the Wii U rumor was that they were getting rid of friend codes and people thought that meant account-based and A dent it's still meant system-based. Just you don't have to enter friend code. Yeah, I don't think Nintendo's ever gonna get Different friend codes are fine. It's just like this is you have like I don't mind if friend codes exist as like Like if you have people multiple like similar user names like a friend code can really help You know sort that out, but as long as they're like the beginning of friend codes is You just want to connect with your friends So like now you can look them up either Wii U username, right or whatever them tenor network ID Yeah, so like you can look them up by username But if someone has like a same username or similar it is nice having the code because then you can like look up them specifically But yeah, I don't have a problem like with that being a backbone thing And I think that's gonna continue to be like their backbone like they're never gonna dump it I just think they need to make as soon as they make everything account-based That's when I think we need to start really discussing strong digital sales because I think a lot of people that would be interested in these big digital Sales don't care right now because all that means is they do one stupid thing with their credit card They get their 3ds blocked. They just lost all their games. I just don't want to buy Super Mario World again You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah, and there's that too, which I don't know. It's one of those things where I think until they solve the issue of Console-based versus account-based. I don't really don't care about their digital sales right now. I Think before that Nintendo just needs to make sure that they have a strong online. Yes That's what they were they were supposed to have that with the Wii U I think there were rumors about it a while back. They were working with EA or something on their online It was supposed to be better supposed to be comparable to Xbox and the only thing having the only reason I think the switch might be different is Because the entire hardware is being built by Nvidia No, no, yeah, but I'm just saying like that's that's one thing that they need to have before they focus on Anything else is to make sure that the the online is good It doesn't run with a really weird gateways and it's not blocked by a lot of Wi-Fi signals And it doesn't use specific ones that nothing else uses it needs to be a Console that doesn't strive to be different in the aspect of online It needs to be a console that strives well to be working free still Yeah, yeah, I want it to be free. I don't want I don't think Nintendo's gonna make you pay for online That's something that I don't think I don't think I could see them doing But I don't think they need to strive to be different being like, oh, well, you know, we need to have like Friend codes for every game again because that obviously worked people love that Just just yeah, I'm even with Super Mario, right? I can't believe they brought back friend codes for Super Mario I can't believe it took it took away. I'm in functionality and In what is it Mario maker for 3ds like that was just kill you just kill for Christmas like like like you just destroyed like 80% of this game Like oh For some people, maybe it's still worth it like yeah It is cool to have the addition of exchanging like stages in person But that should be in addition to online functionality. It's just the Nintendo list of weird things And then I don't think they know what to do with online Yeah, I still don't think that there are a lot of the franchises are single-player experiences So like they personally outside of a couple games don't have to worry about online So I think that's why you see them so far behind like what's Microsoft's flagship franchise an online multiplayer shooter I mean if you guys have ever played smash online, you'll know that it's it's awkward There's one match it takes forever to load. It's they definitely don't have the practice with it And I mean the other thing too This is probably gonna be like a duh thing to say But like did to make online work like they kind of they got to put more emphasis into making games where we're online Is a pillar of the game right like Splatoon perfect example and they you know, you can't talk to your friends You can't set up a chat room for your friends It's it's it was a disaster in terms of I mean the game is awesome But that like courting with your buddies to play it was just a nightmare. Yeah Well when it launched to there was no Yeah matches with your friends. Yeah, that was something they added later Yeah, but I will say that the we use online functionality Miles better than the we never tried back in the day to play Online, I don't know. I I tried I just like wait. I thought I Like yeah, what was what was that week in it 24 thing if they had no The miles better like I think they're stepping in the right direction. I think room from I think they need to fully hand over functionality to a company who knows what they're doing Yeah, and Again, I think I think maybe this is why I'm cautiously optimistic about online with the switch next year because No one in the world thought they were gonna ever hand over hardware to a Western company and they did They gave in video the reins and said look you've made something similar to our idea make this thing for us And not only are they making it they're handling all the dev tools for it which means things are gonna be easy to port from like PC to this thing and That's great. So I'm hoping that they that in video also said well Hey, look, we have online functionality You know with our with our old Tegra tech and all the stuff like do you want us to do something with that? And I hope the tendals like yeah, you just do it because we suck And you know what don't stop there and over your IPs to developers that are that are experiencing online play right like They're never For them in the past Capcom made diminished games oracle games. Those were awesome Sega made f0 Yeah, but none of those were yeah, but those were online dream here, but games Well, also, yeah, those were main line that retro brought only with the online IP See, I'd like to see them Because a lot of the company like Capcom back then like that was Capcom in their heyday They were they were almost as good as Nintendo in terms of producing quality games back then nowadays Well, nowadays is what they make they still make good Monster Hunter games I mean nowadays and maybe our shells of what they used to be Yeah, I mean ace attorney still good But for the most part they don't really make a lot of high-quality games anymore. They're really good So like you start thinking what companies would you even trust to touch Nintendo's IP? Yacht Club Konami. I mean Konami's now you got down in the crack We're getting mature. Yeah, good. Sure. Sure. Yeah club But again, you know if Nintendo is gonna make a partnership It's gonna be with like a high triple a publisher company. They think I can trust um Well, and we had a lot of games earlier the closest we might see They they might trust like remember Look, I kind of view it as the same thing like when we talked about fan games Is that Nintendo is so protective of their IP and their property that? They'd want to either have the most hands-on approach or they'd be like a helicopter parent watching every single Made and that's tough and that's why we don't know Nintendo game once every three months, too Oh, it's crazy. We only get a Nintendo game once every three months. That's more often than every other company out there, but Well, that's that's why like I can't see them Unless they like let off the reins a little on there's other developers that they gave properties to and I think you can kind of Look at it, too. Metro and other M didn't sell as well. I think I don't need to do Something they've already kind of sort of done it like they bought out retro studios So now that's a Western developer company that they own that makes games, you know Yeah, well, it's like one every four years or whatever whatever they make games, you know next level games They don't own them But they've made them so happy all they want to do is make Nintendo games So they're like in Canada and they just make 3ds games all the time or now they're probably working on a switch game But you know, I think Nintendo needs to do more stuff like that where in the past They've only been willing to work at Western Studios or I'm sorry Eastern So like Japan and stuff and a lot of those studios besides Square Enix have basically gone to crap You know platinum games has kind of risen up But you know platinum it seems to be unwilling to want to be like an exclusive Nintendo partner They want to still make games or everything which is fine. That's what they want to do. That's what they've survived on But I think Nintendo needs to do more what they've done with like retro studios or with next-level games like find these Kind of smaller Western studios that have the ability to make like B tier games and just heavily invest in them to the point That they become basically exclusive makers and then you kind of start mixing things up You still have your Nintendo EAD you can still you know team up a platinum now and then or is it Grezzo? But then you'd also still have more more games coming up more often because you'd have more Western studios making games for you Like right now, I think they only have two Western studios that make games Quick trivia question. Who do you guys remember? Who's a developer that made eternal darkness? Silicon Knights, is that right? Silicon Knights. Yeah, they're out of business Yeah Well, they they renewed the trailer for the franchise. Yeah, which to me You know, I know a lot of people try to look into that stuff I think I've realized now that these renewed trademarks on these names. It just means we're bringing it to virtual console someday So they can resell it Because yeah Or like I would like to see them like there's a perfect game out there The the Dennis dyke guy who is part of the that team that made that game that some people hate because of some shady stuff He did way back when I Just somewhat eternal darkness Yeah, Dennis dyke was But he did some really crappy yeah Anyways, he was at one of the main guys heading up a new project that was just like eternal darkness I forget what it was called shadow the eternal And that Kickstarter failed But I view that as kind of like look at what Nintendo has been doing lately with funding games And now they might have picked up that one game that's switch exclusive. Ah, they just unveiled it. Oh heaven Yeah, yeah, yeah seasons of heaven. Yeah, yeah that the developer said that Nintendo picked it up so like You're sitting there like okay Nintendo picked up season. I haven't they did devil's third in the past They picked up in at a two like maybe Nintendo strategy to get these games now or get more games the fine projects like this That aren't being picked up by anybody and saying hey Why don't you bring that to our platform? Well, that's the hope for like Dark Siders 3 2 and in companies like that that like they have all these these games and these Companies that want to make them but aren't getting a lot of I guess I was seasons of heaven They pitched to you a couple other people and they're like and it's not good enough. Yeah, and it's handles like this thing It's freaking gorgeous We'll give you some money make it happen. Yeah, which excuse And it was the same thing Bayonetta 2 was a game that a lot of people wanted that nobody would pick up and Nintendo Suppresently and I'm ready to go and I think maybe that's how Nintendo is gonna be the going forward like I want another eternal darkness Nintendo might never make one in house, but Shadow of the Eternals is sitting out there and they could easily be like hey We'll throw money behind it. Bring it make it switch exclusive and we're good to go And Nintendo scene it's actually kind of refreshing that Nintendo seems to be so willing to do that And I think maybe that's a way they can develop relationship with these companies and get them to make you know switch exclusive games Because they did that with What image inform? They helped them release that one of their early games on the 3ds and Ever since then image inform is perfectly happy making like tons of 3ds games And now you know now they're making like a Nintendo switch game or something, but it's It's interesting. I think the switch is gonna end up having more support than we've seen any other Nintendo console having a long time That was kind of my my positive for Nintendo this year Admittedly not the most positive year for Nintendo, but the one thing that I took away that I liked the most about them was that they were a little bit more Willing to hand the reins over a little bit in terms of hardware software just all that stuff So yeah, I hope that that continues like they'll be a good spot. Yeah 2016 to me felt like the year Nintendo realized I Mean they had to make these decisions before 2016, but it was kind of the year that they realized that they really screwed up this generation So like we're done making games for Wii U. It's just not gonna happen. The thing doesn't sell. It's a waste of money We are we don't have anything to show you at E3 because we haven't unveiled the system yet And we're not ready to unveil it So we're gonna show you Breath of the Wild because everybody wants to see that thing and we almost have this game done and We think it's good enough. It's gonna drive height You know when we did when we did the switch we're gonna allow Nvidia to really suppress release that basically says yeah We made the switch That's just the way it is And had that be a recognition of Nintendo being like yeah, we realized that Our business is more Western based than Eastern and we need to cater to that and we're not doing it Well at the same time they're acting in this sense the stuff that we've talked about more like producers instead of directors Aside from Breath of the Wild That they're producing Yeah, they're producing the hardware as opposed to like having a I mean I don't doubt Yeah, but like to give the reins to someone else and be like, okay Well, we'll watch you we'll monitor you but you pretty much have proven over that like to Create this idea that we here's our idea make it like a Marvel movie. Each one is unique, but in the same yeah You know same universe And so They they gave them the money to do that and they did that with all these other games and they're kind of like, okay Well, there's you know, we don't have to do everything. I think that that's what Nintendo's really learned So far this the past two years is you know, we don't have to do this Yeah, and and we that's why I like about the switch and that's actually what I like about Nintendo releasing games on smart devices now is I think Nintendo is starting to realize that their strength isn't making content Rather than necessarily making hardware. This doesn't mean I want to go in third party I think if they had gone third party things like the switch would just never exist or never get popular and that would suck like the idea of a One system that plays everything and you go give me a TV to take it with you like that's not new Some tablets have been able to do that but none of them got popular So like I don't want to tend to get out of the hardware business because without them things like this wouldn't be possible But it's one of those things where Nintendo's like look our strength isn't hardware But we still have ideas. So if we team with people whose strength is hardware like Nvidia They could create something together that they both want to really succeed get marketing from Nintendo and marketing from them And be able to draw upon their connections because Nvidia has lots of connections to different people in different companies and Work together on that so Nintendo can focus more on making games whether it's for the switch whether it's for the 3ds Whether it's for phones And just focus on that like even Miyamoto said like I'm not really making any switch stuff right now My focus is on these games for phones. That's a good market for me about That's a good use of he likes making games for broader audiences. That's a perfect thing for him to make those games on And I think this is a good strategy for Nintendo to broaden themselves and focus on games Like I know a lot of people like oh, well, they're making games on phones now. So they're gonna make less games for console I think they're gonna make more games for consoles I don't think the teams are even closely related like the teams that have working on phones and the teams that have Get the 3ds is done within let's see a year from the switch launchers. There's no Making more games. Yeah, the only reason that they they're not killing off the 3ds like the we is because one of the 3ds is more popular And as Pokemon just showed games can still sell on the system And they want and they want they basically want to fall back like they released a switch and it tanks like the Wii U Did they still could be like well, we never replace the 3ds so we can release the 4ds now You know, they want that fall back plan In many ways, that's what the DS was with the 3ds I mean the 3ds released and then like two weeks later wasn't it black and white to came out exclusively to the DS So it was like it kind of play off the 3ds thing doesn't take off. Well, we're still keeping the DS Tany artists that are listening. Can you give us some concept art of a 4ds? Yeah Yeah, Nintendo Nintendo always likes playing a save like when the DS came out that it wasn't a Game Boy Advance replacement Ended up replacing it, but it was like if this idea fails. We still have the Game Boy Advance So I think that's what they're doing thing like the Wii U already failed There's no point in trying to sugarcoat it So just call this thing a home console say it's replacing the Wii U. Keep the 3ds going for at least one year And if the switch takes off then the 3ds is done kind of thing yep Which I think all of us want though the switch is to see because if it succeeds it means is doing something right I think if the switch doesn't succeed like this is it for them making hardware. They're gonna be I'm gonna be playing Mario on my Xbox I think you'll be playing Mario on your PlayStation Mobile they'll team a Sony They still they Sony and Nintendo still owe me a Mario movie one of the benefits about mobile 2 is No You want a marvel you want a Mario movie February 13th when that oh baby, I'm excited for that That's that's why this whole touch of the IP thing started Bob Hoskins no, they're not doing that now now. They're just building worlds of Mario in the real world Frost to go pick up at theme parks, which is better Yeah and mobile and on mobile Yeah Which which is a good thing like that that that's a good platform for them to work with because Those guys is anyone playing Super Mario? No, I have an Android. I don't have an iPhone. I am an Android guy And so I don't oh well. So you play it next year. Yeah, well nobody's playing anymore in two years You'll have the whole Android user. I did catch a ditto though. That's that was cool. Yeah No, I did I bought Super Mario run it is Good thanks Nintendo didn't write the marketing for the marketing for it's like if I wasn't a Nintendo fan Like I don't it's really weird because like you play it for like three minutes And it's like yeah spend 10 bucks to play the rest of the game If I wasn't already a fan of Nintendo that would have been really off-putting like they didn't ease you into that very well But once you spend the money the game is definitely worth it like it. It's really addicting Yeah, yes, good good replay value. We talked about this last week. It's it's it's a I Wish they would have a premium price for a premium game to you, right? Yeah, well, and that's why the investors think it's such a bad thing to do because you don't do this on mobile devices So we finally were these games on mobile devices, but you're pissed off how we charge money for it You can't win Everything has to be Pokemon go everything. Well, I think The benefit to that is for for mobile is that they have all these other games like these other IPs that they could take to They have other IPs that are better suited for what those people want This game to be like a warrior where warrior where animal crossing is a game I can see the micro-transaction in the hell out of No, please. Oh, yeah, and if they don't and even if they don't they might not do it with They might not do it with your phone like, you know by DLC on your phone They'll just sell you more of those amiibo cards and Then you have to scan in the QR code to get your stuff They already do that with that like they already do that with Animal Crossing is a thing that exists already They're gonna bring that the phone where like they're gonna do that on your phone I don't know why they want it's a money-maker Yeah, and it's away from the Thai physical media to your phone Oh, and now you can now when you buy the new Animal Crossing amiibo They have QR codes on the bottom god. I don't think they're ever gonna make it Now amiibo works with your phone A lot of phones already have NFC readers anyways, yeah, some why would they make it compatible anyways cuz iPhones don't No, no, no, they do have MSc like I said, yeah, that's why it's that's why you can use Apple Pay It's cuz it's got the NFC cheap in it. Yeah, it's like wait a second Whether or not they've unlocked that chip for other people to use I have no idea So kind of moving to a more positive note in general so this year there's been a lot of negativity and especially around things like the election and That's that's probably the most negative event that's happened this year And a lot of people there's been a lot of hate there's been a lot of bad things that happen But I want to focus on the good so kind of want to go around talk about Things that happened to us or things that happened this year That made 2016 great for us like it's Nothing nothing bad just like the good the bad and the best or the good the better the best about 2016 So what did you like Alfred? What why don't I go first you go first? Let's hear it. Yeah, right? I'm just like how can I think of positive things that Carrie Fisher just died. Oh, it's tough That's why you gotta be positive like that one. I won't sing or just I was tough I had literally just seen Rogue one and came out of the theater and read that what had happened to Carrie Fisher And it was just really jarring to Spoiler alert. Yeah, I just know he used to see that so it was really tough Alright Alfred you start cuz all I can think is negative right now So I've got a few positives. I got engaged this year. Hey, congratulations. That's a good thing back in June There's you know, there's been I mean I got relatively good grades in my Grad courses this year. I always regret courses this year So like just small stuff like that in terms of school It's just it's just been a good year. I've been actually a lot healthier than I've been in past years We started this other for a podcast. Oh, yeah, that's right It's been actually it's been Has it hasn't been a full year in this next month in January. It'll be a full year at Zelda former for me Yep. Yeah, and then We got breath of the wild info, which was really good Switch was announced I don't know if this is gonna find any of you guys But one of my favorite bands of all time the Proto man finally released their Short film for light up the night, which we've been waiting on for like four years now Nice, and so that was that was really good. I was really glad about that In terms of I don't know other things that were really good Two anima's came out that I really enjoyed this year Probably my top two of all time now So that was nice, I'm hoping for some Some second seasons to those Erases isn't gonna get a second season of this probably my favorite anima's come out this year then re-zero Other than that, it's just like, you know, it's there's this ups and downs every year for me But it's been a pretty good year in terms of how things are going in my sphere. I'm currently unemployed That's kind of a negative, but I'm still looking for a job. So that's positive. I guess. I don't know hire me All right, who's next I'm alphabetically next on our voice chat This year well, I started as a former as well So that's a that was a big deal for me because I've been doing Things online like YouTube since like 2007 nothing has ever taken off and Working with Zeldin former doing YouTube videos has been like the most positive reception and the most like amazing amazing thing for me to do Especially because it's time out my favorite games So so that's great And then also Nate asked me to help with Nintendo Prime as well. So we just released our first video there. I Changed work at my day job I work away better more hours and better hours and and you know got some raises and stuff Raises are good Yeah, I I got my first 3ds ever I'm like Yeah, actually what I got was the You'll see it on the video is the black Friday one The galaxy one or whatever not the galaxy on the Mario. I got the Mario black one There was a black and a white one So I'm really happy that and I got my NES classic at launch because my wife decided that she's gonna get up at six In the morning and go get it for me Yeah, she's a keeper I hope so at this point. Yeah Family stuff has been good My son's going to school and our preschool and so there's a lot of time for me to Go to work and then like come home and edit and work on videos and then have family time as well So it's like in general, I'd say my entire quality of life has has improved this year So it's been a good experience overall for me So who's next? Okay, I'll go next Okay So, yeah, one of the coolest things I did this year was take a trip to Costa Rica with my girlfriend for a couple weeks So that was cool. I've never really been anywhere before Like like anywhere exotic before so we we traveled around the country You see in the few different hostels about a bunch of different people Saw a bunch of different animals other really cool So that was that was game changer for me. So now I've kind of got the travel bug. So That was just a really awesome experience What else we got stranger things Love that most of my other movies I was looking forward to this year disappointed me that stranger things blew me away Still have to watch that show. Oh, it's so good Yeah, I changed jobs. So that was that was cool Everyone in my family is healthy So I moved into a new apartment got a pretty killer view of the city. So that was nice Got a bunch of new new stuff finally Finally, I've altered my apartment a little bit and throw some of my old posters. So so that's cool and Sounds probably kind of kind of cheesy, but like Zelda inform has been really cool I started like less than a month ago. So there's something that I always thought about doing now I just have a little bit more time to do it. So I was into podcasting I had a show a couple years ago and and we stopped that so just getting Getting back into it into writing and blogs and coming on shows has been really really cool All right, Nate Still on the negatives over here. Um, no, so Let me see Well, I went to E3 this year. Oh, yeah, that's right. I'm still jealous about that Play breath of the wild six times. You don't get to talk about being negative Feels like so long ago now Yes, I probably get to play breath of wild more than anyone but Nintendo Tree also plays there Because that's the only reason I was there Nintendo Prime didn't exist I Had literally no other reason to drop three grand and go to LA Um, besides Zelda, so you're not right. I was gonna try to make that three grand worth it Whether six playthroughs of a demo makes it worth it. I have no idea But so like there's a positive or there's a huge negative to it. So Especially when I have three children But it is what it is Don't know if I'm gonna be going to E3 anytime soon again It's really hard to justify the kind of budget, but It was fun. It was awesome. I don't really I guess I don't regret it How could you regret playing breath of the wild, right? But yeah, so that was really cool and It's really cool that the one E3 I go to is the one that's dedicated to Zelda Which has been like my life for 18 years covering it online So it was really cool that that's the one E3 that I didn't go to Beyond that Well, I launched Nintendo Prime Which It's had a lot ups and downs. It's kind of a down period right now because of the holidays We were doing really really well up until like a week before Christmas And then I just kind of said, you know what? I'm not even gonna try to struggle to get content out I'm just gonna stop and unfortunately that stop also meant Zeldin former stopped Which is really really weird since I had already had like a month off from Zeldin former But I think it's not just that I stopped Darren also stopped for the holidays So yeah when the top two guys at Zeldin former both stopped doing work for a couple weeks Things tend not to get done But that's okay. I'm back now obviously I'm here doing the podcast I got an editorial and another post out earlier today and Updating the cat. I've actually been updating the news queue the entire time we've been recording So like I'm trying to get caught up and I'm like, well no wonder there hasn't been anything written the queue's been empty for like a week But no, so yeah, Washington Prime that's been really really exciting really stressful. It's a lot more work Then I thought it was gonna be but it's also not as hard It's weird more work than I thought it was gonna be but the work's not as hard as I thought it was gonna be you practice You know, and I think one of the most exciting things I launched out of that is a Nintendo Prime podcast Which is finally the kind of podcast I've always wanted to be part of but didn't know how because I don't know a lot of people In my area that like the same games I do But because that's like an in-person podcast like I have a whole studio set up like over in another room in my house for it So it's really cool. That's so that's been fun Beyond that obviously Still with my girlfriend. That's exciting. There's moments this year. I didn't think we'd still be together right now, but We are so that's always good Let me see there my children are another year older Which means my daughter just started her first day of school or her first year of school this year I Always stressful as for any parent like at first you're like all I'm relieved they're gone all day, but you don't realize how much you miss a mental that I hear I Miss my cat when I go to work Your cat is not the same. Yeah, I can only imagine well in the day of this recording my oldest son started his first day of daycare Which has given me a lot of free time, which is Actually why I chose this day to come back work at the site because I knew I was gonna have more time But it also was really really hard because I've every day of that kid's life. I have had him here like all day with me Whereas with my daughter, I'm like a stepdad. So the first nine months of her life. I didn't even know who she was Whereas with this kid, I wasn't working the first nine months of his life. So I was the full-time parent So like I you know, I kind of had that connection with this kid that I might not ever get with my daughter of where He is basically been my life for three years So having him not be here for a whole day Was very difficult for me today, but he had a really really good daycare. So like that's awesome So I guess I did sad but happy again all my moments are sad but happy I think I'll get used to it eventually like I'm gonna really appreciate not having him here when I'm working It's all the former let me tell you How little work I get done when he is here is baffling like how could you get so little done? I'm like, yeah, you have a three-year-old and tell me And I have a one-year-old on top of that plus the six-year-old daughter, so it anyways It's all it's a lot in this house But yeah, no, it's been a very interesting year Lots of lots of ups lots of downs I don't want to say 2016's a year. I want to forget But it's definitely gonna be a year that I hope I have enough adult fun on the 31st to not remember much of Because we are like I have my sister is gonna be watching the kids all like all day Saturday and most of Sunday so I might not be conscious but That's okay. It's gonna be fun site crashes will move away The site Nate tried Nate tried to publish Thing is I don't publish those things so that was me I'm sorry. I've like never written on that topic my entire time. It's all I know But just imagine it like a drunken Nate type You know what Zola should be a girl, you know, you know, it's gonna suck about that night I'm going out to drink and at midnight Supposedly right now. This is the plan at midnight masses is flipping a switch to turn our site for over from expression engine to wordpress And I'm not gonna be here if she hits the fan. So this is gonna be awesome I'm trying to tell him like wait till later in the day when I'm around but We'll see he's really adamant on like hitting it at midnight. I'm like I'd be more adamant that everything works Like the thing is like like if fans aren't gonna notice it on the front end them. There's no need to rush it like You know, let's let's do it right But he has a bit of my attitude at times where I'm like I got this good idea. So I just want to do it Regardless of what the consequences are like that's what I think. I don't know That's why I don't think I'm gonna be conscious on Sunday because I'm gonna make some bad decisions and I'm gonna be okay with that Like I said, I'm just expecting a link should be No, no, see The thing is if I if this was like seven years ago and I didn't have kids or a girlfriend That's what happened. I would go out and get drunk come home at 3 a.m. And I would write like three editorials and just post them No proof reading no idea what I'm writing about wake up the next day and be like Hell that I just put on Zeldin for my well can't lead it now Wonder if that's what Darren was like when he was Yeah, it's You know For all the bad that's happened in 2016, you know, there's there's just a lot of I guess a lot of clarifications I want to say in my life Clarifying like even my position at Zeldin former, you know a lot of our fans might not know But Zeldin former was sold at the very beginning of this of 2016 To a new owner which put my future in uncertain territory And thankfully I've been fortunate enough to be editor-in-chief all throughout 2016 And I'm going to be editor-in-chief for at least four more months. That's how long my contract goes for and It's it's a really stressful time right here at the end of 2016 that I'm not gonna get into why it's stressful because it's behind the scenes stuff but Let's just say there might be a lot changing at Zeldin former 2017 And I don't just mean like with me and what I do But 2016 really clarified just a lot of like what that relationship with a new owner is gonna be like For Zeldin former in the future You know a lot of clarifications my personal life like what my relationship really is with my girlfriend Versus what maybe I thought it was a lot of clarifications with my children and What terrible threes are like? What you three is actually like, you know what what breath of the wild is gonna be what what the switch is going to be Just it's been like the year of clarifications filled with the year of a lot of people I really really liked in the entertainment industry dying So and yet somehow Stanley is still Oh Did that guy's gonna live never he's he's gonna live until we figure out how to cryogenically freeze him He's gonna be in the Avenger 7 for sure making a cameo somewhere. He's in like everything like like I'm living to see the day. I mean like I that spider-man is gonna be in a video with Iron Man Like an actual spider-man movie, but it has Iron Man in it. Did you see the trailer for the new spider-man? Yeah, yeah, I did Yeah, that's why I said like I never thought I'd see the day that a spider-man movie would actually have Iron Man in it And now it's happening and I'm excited It's just not Toby McGuire. I know you're a little disappointed. You know it Toby was fine. It's fine The spider-man 3 was just it wasn't his fault. It was just a bad movie that that wasn't just a bad movie That was the worst movie I've ever seen I get like angry about that I was so I was so excited for that movie because they have like one of my favorite plot lines Yeah, and they just screwed it up. I'm like, how do you screw this up? I'll never forget him do you know dance? Oh my god The studio was really pressuring the director What's Sam Raimi? Yeah, they were like really pressuring him to to just put more and more and more into the movie Until it became this big and play that mess Let's put more villains. It needs more villains Well, what upset me is right like so they reboot they reboot spider-man with the amazing spider-man And I end up really liking that and then they just get rid of it Well, well, they do this they did the same exact thing if they did the spider-man 3 they were like, you know what amazing spider-man 2 needs 3 villains. I thought amazing spider-man 1 was okay. Yeah, 2 is just so bad Yeah, like I'm not saying 2 is bad, but I thought they had the right spider-man person and Yeah, it's like because it was a different it was different enough from what Toby did Where they could have redeemed themselves with a third movie and I thought it was interesting the whole The whole like kind of murder mystery, I guess about his parents I thought that was kind of cool as a fresh take rather than seeing uncle Glenn get shot again It was literally taking like literally taking the you guys ever watched the 90s? Oh, yeah That's that's what that point was that is that's why I like the spies or something like that Yeah, I love that take but I was like and we're never gonna get to see that and now they Mean I like the take they're doing now where it's like a high school kid or whatever like yeah, that's more like Spectacular like I'm okay with it And it's hard not to be because I love what they've been doing with that whole universe in the movies So it's hard for me not to like I was like, oh Tony Stark is in it. So I'm gonna like it. It's just the way it is I don't know if I'm still sold my vulture is a villain though I like it looks good enough in the movie But he he's always so lame in the in the cartoon to me. He's just he's got that stigma to me of just being like that lame old man Yeah, it's kind of like but it is Michael. Yeah, that's true Batman's Batman. Yeah, I just look at it as I trot like I Have not yet watched like a movie in that universe that has been terrible Like even I even I'm at three isn't terrible It's just not even close to as good as with the previous movies were but but on its own It's still okay movie I'm gonna go ahead and say Civil War was actually one of my biggest disappointments of this year I was exactly like I don't know I was expecting greatness because the trailer was so good and It just fell apart after the airport scene to be honest. I just saw a rogue one last night. I I'm I'm not disappointed. I Just it almost seems like you know as much as you got it I didn't know I didn't know what to think about it right because it's a tweener movie, right? It's supposed to explain how they got the Death Star plans like but that's great Like because I was never explained in a new hope and it's it's good to finally have clarification on how that how that happened but It just it almost felt like a forgettable movie I Think it's not a bad movie. It's not bad Yeah, it's just it didn't need to exist for say like if the movie never happened I want to really matter. What was the what was her name the main girl's name? Jen the problem for me is I didn't like Jen like well And the thing you know about this movie is that any new major characters to introduce have to die because they're not there Well, they don't well they have to have a way to explain them out of the future story And yeah, and I was fine with that. It's just she was just she's very unlikable Like she was kind of in it for herself until all of a sudden she wasn't like you know well The problem was is the character motivations for that yeah, it's so quickly that you didn't see the character evolution Well, and I think that's because I knew the characters are gonna die Yeah, it but it like it was going from the third act on it Just like hit a roadblock and then I never believed that she would just like take charge of that meeting And everyone was rallying around her that just seemed kind of yeah to me like I mean, I'm not like a hugest Star Wars fan I like them all but Yeah, I didn't really like her and I didn't really like and I think this guy with a mask and I think like of all the movies that was the most disappointing because I Don't want to say I went in with high expectations because I really didn't I was just kind of what kind of movies It's going to be because it's a tweener movie where we already knows what happens in the future So they're trying to explain something we don't know about with characters that aren't going to be around You know and they can't really do things that have Princess Leia heavily involved because the actress is too old and Any appearance by her is going to be brief just like it was going to be brief of Vader And Vader is a character they could have had around more because it's kind of costume Vader's first appearance was I didn't like he was talking to what's his face about the second one He's kicking ass was awesome. Oh, yeah Can we just be honest? Wasn't it weird that Vader's hips? Yeah, I saw that Yeah, but okay, but it's it's one of those things that maybe my disappointment is because I liked Episode seven a lot like I thought it was Probably the best they possibly could do with how far after episode episode six that they had to make this video That you know, yeah, they used a lot of old tropes in the series, but that's fine You can use tropes of their own series. You're part of how many how many video games do that? Like you can do that, you know having Han Solo die like you can do that. That's okay No, it's over a year after see like I'm not a super Star Wars fan But episode seven was my favorite of all the yeah, like like it's really good So I think it's just because I came off that high if this is really good and now we have Rogue one Which is reviewing okay? I go watch it. I'm like, you know, this is seven just set the bar and this movie is not even close And yeah, there's there's moments in it. I like You know, I loved a lot of the battle scenes like it reminded me of old-school Empire strike back kind of thing Like it was really sweet, but it's like, okay, but That's it Just a lot of a lot of confusion for me I don't know. I mean the overall plot line for the Death Star and the plans. I liked it. I Just I don't know. It's just something that it was good. It could have been great Yeah, it felt like it could have been better, but I I keep thinking I don't know how they could have done it better Like I can't come up with an idea like it was it was good. It was even quite good It was just it could have been great and it wasn't and it I Really fell apart at the end when they like they stopped fighting But then they made up and then they started fighting again and like Iron Man was mad at him because winter soldier killed his parents Even though everybody knows he was brainwashed and I was like what what's going on like like one. Oh Thank you for reminding me that I saw We're gonna say thanks for reminding me. I haven't seen it yet. No No, I'm I got the the very last issue of Civil War two today, and I still haven't read it. So well, yeah What's that? What did you guys did you guys see? Yeah, no, not yet I was I was cautiously optimistic about that and I saw that IGN was kind of dumping all over it Which which kind of sucks. Well, that's a surprise. I Well, but it's it I feel like it's another case of like the Batman v Superman and suicide squad because a lot of people I've talked to love it, but a lot of critics don't I Love the movie. I've never played an Assassin's Creed game I've played like the first five minutes of three because I got it for free with the Ubisoft 30 thing But I have no idea other than what I've watched friends The movies its own thing I played Assassin's Creed up till three. Yeah, it is it was his own beast And I I thought it was really good. I thought it was a really good movie There were there were like one or two choices. I didn't understand with editing But other than that thought it was really good. I don't understand some of the hate behind go see it I think it was really cool. I think to me it's See, I'm a big Assassin's Creed fan. I played all of the games except the most recent one Syndicate or whatever syndicate or whatever and I heard a syndicate to actually once I patched everything It's not that bad, but I You know, I kind of sort of lose an interest because I'm one of the few people that really liked the outside story That connected the whole universe together mild one the Desmond mild that the animus. I thought that was pretty cool I remember I remember like walking above the UFC fighter or whatever it was in Brazil and the Assassin's Creed 3 something like that I thought that was wicked. Yeah, like like they don't like I really liked what they did all the way through three And then they kind of ended that story arc In a way that I think was really poor and then they tried to introduce You know a new story arc into into why this all this stuff is happening and I just haven't connected with it And you know, I'm hoping that this time this time this break they're taking with the series And whenever they bring it back that they recognize the importance of having a better interconnected world like that Because that's what happens when you have annualized sequels, right? Like yeah There's your best ideas boom and boom and boom and right again until you have nothing left except for well And it's hard to keep it. It's hard to keep it inner inner woven when you have so many different studios working on an interconnected story And I think that's what ended up killing it killing the story for me Not so much the assassin flag. That was too jarring for me. Yeah, like and I was like I liked black flag The like the actual parts when you're being a pirate like I'm like, this is really cool Like I like it's good, but everything else feels so disconnected and I'd recommend seeing this because it it feels heavily with us the past like a lot of it focuses on the animus and This movie to me. I think it's going to be like the Tomb Raider movies where No, they're not really reviewed that well, but people that watch it like it and That's why there was like three of the best video game movies and Tomb Raider is what's immediately popped in well I basically Tomb Raider and Yeah, I do I love Super Mario Bros. Movie Man. I wish there was a second one but no It also so they did No, well, like I think of the best like the most successful ones outside of animated series Which I'm just like I'm gonna throw those as a side thing Is they got Tomb Raider had like a three or four movie run Resident Evil had had a good run Yeah, but isn't like the next one like that's it Yeah, I thought the next one's like the last one they're doing at least for this this story That movie is gonna bomb to nobody wants to see Resident Evil anymore Yeah, it's this movie to me is kind of like those movies and that I think it's gonna be good But I think I'm just gonna wait to rent it Versus go to the theater Because I think Movie theaters have become kind of weird for me and that there's two reasons I go to movies One I'm really hyped And I'm not super hyped for this one I went to Star Wars because I'm a Star Wars fan And I also knew the theater was gonna be packed so like any like good moments There's gonna be a big crowd reaction And that I like that like as an experience. I'm not gonna get at my house So like it's kind of like when you're watching e3 and like I'm there in person and something happens Everyone reacts like that's awesome And that's something that you're not gonna get when you rent a movie and then there's The movies that I go to because I just need to get away, right? I need to get away from life. I need a break That's usually when I go to like a comedy like I went to office Christmas party like two weeks ago Hilarious movie Normally a movie I would rent, but I just needed to watch something funny and get away from life And Assassin's Creed doesn't really hit any of those notches It hits kind of the movie that I want to watch it But it's something I'm just gonna throw on in the background as I'm doing work at Zelda Informer and Yeah, yeah, I said like it's all about what you like I think I'm gonna end up loving this Assassin's Creed movie everything I've read about it feels like this is what I want Assassin's Creed to be But it's like like you know Alfred just said you know a lot of out of animus like dealing with the animus and all that like That sounds exciting to me still not hyped enough to go see it because I think I've just been soured on so many of these Kind of movies in the past. I just like the last movie. I got hyped for was the Prince of Persia Those videos and that that was not good Let me give a quick shout-out to a rival if anyone hasn't seen that I bet you it's in like the cheap theaters awesome awesome movie Oh, that's that's what's gonna happen is I'm gonna end up watching this Assassin's Creed movie. I'm gonna love it They're gonna make a second one. I'm gonna be hyped. I'm gonna go into it and it's gonna suck Well, this has been a good year for movies Better with my favorite movie to share is pop star everyone's gonna hate me for saying that but I Heard it was really good By the way arrival arrival was the poor man's interstellar that was better. It's better than that's better than in my opinion Really it was a really clever and really unique and it was it was more about how humans and it was kind of have the same idea Yeah But yeah, so sure kind of probably have to wrap it up But like we said, there's there's lots of good movies out. I don't know how we got on the top though We did that always happens on this show that we Yeah, not 20 we won't see 2016 next year. We'll see you guys next year Yeah, but there's lots of look forward to in 2017 Then our first podcast of the year will be on a Friday next week because we're switching schedules up To record on a Wednesday and post on a Friday. So if you were like, whoa, there's no podcast today because it's on a Friday now so that gives us a little bit more time to recap some of the weeks and What happened over the weekend and then just get into it that way So we hope you guys enjoyed this Podcast we had four people on which we haven't had in a while Hello guys for joining us. Thank you. Let me look here. Yeah, I'm debating so So As we just said, you know, we're gonna do it on Friday. I just kept thinking about you know, I tend to switch events on the 12th I almost wonder. Yeah, if we should delay that one Like cuz cuz cuz we've recorded on a Wednesday release on a Friday. Oh Yeah, yeah, I know we're gonna do reaction to the guy reacts and all that stuff But like I'm just wanna like cuz what are we gonna talk about that day? But the event and it's gonna already happen by the time people listen to it. That's true We'll probably record Thursday Friday if we get some I'll make that work where we already know what happened at the event at least don't worry about that All right, whatever we'll figure it out. Yeah, we all we always do we cross the river All right, catch you guys later. All right, so thank you guys for joining us. Have a happy day and see you next time