 How does someone get transferred from one mafia family to another? Would that not be a red flag? Because the information you had about one family, you could have took it to another family. But how does that work? Is that a one-off or is it something that happens quite a lot? That's a perfect thing. That don't normally ever happen because you know their secrets. I went one time, it's a whole long story, so I won't tell the whole story, but I went to kill Shorty's brother. He did something to me. About me. And I went to kill him. The Colombo family found out that I went with a gun. I didn't get him, but I was going to kill him. And they wanted to break us up, but they thought I was a hundred percent right. You were right to want to kill him for what he did. But you went to his fucking house and knocked on the door. His wife answered the door. If he came to the door, were you going to kill him? Yeah. And you were to kill him right in front of his fucking wife and kids. Yeah, I was that hot. Well, that's wrong, Sammy. That's where you went wrong. If you were to kill them in the fucking street, we would have patted you on the back. You were right. But you went to his house and it's wrong. We can't kill him even though we know he's wrong when he did because he's Shorty's brother. So somebody, a guy named Johnny Rizzo, who was a made guy in the family, went to Tato and it went up to Carlo Gambino. The heads of the families talked about this situation. The Colombos didn't want to kill me. The Gambino's didn't want to see me get killed. So they made a deal. We'll transfer him. He'll no longer be with us. He did work with us, meaning he killed with us. He was in our war with us. We trust him and we like him. We'll release him with no restrictions. If you want to make him a made guy or whatever you want to do with him, that's fine. When I didn't tell me that we don't think he's going to hurt us or give up any secrets or do it. I was transformed under those conditions. And that's when the Gambino's accepted me. And from that day on, I was with Tato. And I always, when they transferred me, one of the head guys in the Colombo, Carmine Perseco's brother, Alleyboy Perseco Sr. grabbed me, hugged me, gave me a kiss on the cheek and said, Sammy, you're always going to be out front. But we wanted you to promise one thing. You won't kill Ralph. And that's, and you'll always be out front. I promised I wouldn't kill Ralph. I never did. I shook his hand. And I went with the other family. That's their decision. It's not me. I don't have no part in the say in that. But you're happy with that? Because it seems crazy that gangsters are getting transferred to other families. It's not gangsters. Me, it didn't happen. So you were the only gangster? It wasn't a normal thing. Yeah. It happened a couple of times, but it's not gangsters are getting transferred. It don't happen. If they're chased, we don't want them with us. Then it could happen. And usually another pair, I mean, I won't even pick you up. Because if you got chased, they don't want you. Uh-huh. But in my case, it wasn't about that being chased, number one. And number two, it wasn't an everyday thing that happened.