 Dave Carlo was sort of the main man of Razor as well as a guitarist. Okay, so let's let's put up the album artwork Okay, let me put it on if I could do that You don't need to see it Looks like yeah, you know you got it. You got the Razor mascot, right? You know sort of like yeah The guy's head That's the guy from the shotgun justice. It's the same guy. It's the same guy and you got the two You know ladies there the side you got money all over the place cycle of content. It was that your idea Yes, that was my comment. So what what was it? Just try to be like money everywhere and you're just trying to take care of I would make an interesting image. Um, it's it's you know, like it's not it's not And everybody's going to have their own interpretation of what that is. It looks like I just don't like rich people But that's not what it is at all. Um, that's not what it is. It's it's more of a um There's a difference between being wealthy and and and and just being greedy and uh, uh, for me, uh, you know, um, it's kind of a Uh, it's a swipe at people who just There isn't they can't they can't make enough money. There's not enough money in the world for them. They're not satisfied Those people gross me up I something I've observed as I get older is that that I just you know, some people are just So materialistic about everything. It's like hey, man. How much is it fucking enough here? Excuse me? Am I supposed to am I I'm key to swear on this? Yeah, it's where I want. Okay. I'm sorry. I don't As soon as I try not to but it's you know, I try not to one slips out there. It's all good I don't want every second word to be enough. Um, but uh, the thing is is I just I just feel like, you know Again, I'm speaking from my opinion. Uh, I'm not rich But if I was I feel like I would be looking for ways to help people Just because you know, if I've I've got enough I have a lot of empathy for people who don't and That's just something that's so I I just feel like that's um part of me So the album is called cycle of contempt and the whole idea behind it is is that over and over again It's a cycle life is a cycle and over and over again We're confronted with things that that we have with battles It's it's a series that life is a series of battles for everybody. I'm not just talking about me This is about the human race the human condition. Oh, we're all overcoming some kind of bullshit in our lives On a regular basis and that's uh, that's kind of the the overall, you know, it's not a real concept album but it's kind of a razor's kind of got that kind of a Feel to it in general is that injustice isn't a you know We're always trying to overcome some kind of injustice kind of deal Yeah, yeah, you look at that album cover and you know, like it's just too many rich people on top overly rich And who want to control everything and and more and more people are how many more do you need than a billion? Right, and you know what it is. How much do you need more than a billion? Who needs more than a billion? It yeah, jesus murphy. I mean like I can tell you like like It's just it just seems like fewer and fewer people are controlling all the money And it's like how about putting some of that money back into the into the people that need it? Like I don't I want to I don't know just do something with your money You know just sit on it do something with an investment and I'm a capitalist too. I'm a Capitalist I too, but I mean I agree with you man. It's like gone overboard now like yeah I mean before but I'm saying if I was sitting on a billion dollars. I'd be saying okay, uh, uh, let's uh Let's let's create some let's create some jobs for some people Let's do something to help them. You know like let's let's get some other people out of poverty Right. Let's figure out a way now. Yeah. Yeah, I mean I couldn't even think of what I could what I would buy for it With a billion dollars. I think with a billion dollars. I could buy every album I ever wanted But I probably I'd be left with you know, 900 a million dollars I mean you have all the all you know all your time. That's what I need all the good music Be a busy guy. You would nice stereo system cost me only a couple thousand bucks Tell everybody about the music. What's typical razor musical style? Yes. Well, it's uh, this album is uh, uh, I believe Very uh, you know, it's it's meant it's meant to appeal to the guys who've been with us all along and love Love the typical razor sound. Um, it's very high speed Butt kick and record all the way through There's some variety in the temple a little bit But it's essentially pretty consistently what you expect from razor And I wanted to make sure we had a real strong album because this is our first one in 25 years And uh, you know, I wanted to make sure that people The majority people that love razor are gonna love this album and I believe that to be the case You're always gonna get the joker who's got about to come up with something to criticize It's like Listen, if you're a real fan of her band, you've been winning 25 years and we make a good album And you know, you have to look with a microscope for the one thing. It's like shut your mouth. That's what I would do I would shut your mouth Do you have to the one thing that you criticize is oh, I don't like the tint on the cover I don't like the kind of drumsticks these years and I don't I don't know But there are some people that just they're not happy unless they tell you something's wrong with it And you're gonna get those and if you ever go to metal archives You submit with metal archives the website Metal archives where they where they have people who review albums who are just guys, uh, anybody from the Any work and review an album There's these guys on metal archives. They go on they're not reviewing cycle. I'm not talking about cycle They're talking about any band and they're just go on there and give like 50 percent reviews 60 percent reviews It doesn't matter that All 90, you know, like 90 percent of the reviews are way up there They'll give terrible reviews because they want to get noticed as reviewers They want to get know it And that's one way to do it right to just uh, you're sticking them out and say something negative But um, we're we're excited about this record. We think it's awesome. We don't think people should overthink things They should crank it and have a good time. That's what it's for Well, I you know, I would agree, you know, and I'm a I'm a big razor fan and you know what to me It's when I put on razor. I just want the speed the dirt The the I want to pick a fight with you in a bar sort of attitude. That's what razor is, right? Yeah, I'm gonna pick a I'm gonna pick a fight with you in a bar Or I'm gonna pick a fight with anyone and I'm just gonna say what I want to say Yeah, I'm not gonna take your crap I'm not gonna take your crap out of this album is Delivering on that in that area for sure. Yeah, yeah And I mean that that's the theme of razor versus all the other thrashers is uh, you guys don't take any shit That is That is true. I would say a hundred percent now. Um, they may think well the first song that that is available for people to Look at today as flames of hatred that's on the theme of that song See that song is written the lyrics for that one was written by mike capitol Our original bass player mike style of lyrics are always everything's the end of the world with mike. So that's what that's what that one's about The the more the more of the the not taking anybody's crap That's that's more my style of lyric and I wrote the lyrics to half a dozen songs on this album six of them And bob reed also has that kind of slant on his lyrics. He wrote three of them So nine out of twelve kind of have that flavor and three out of twelve have that end of the world kind of instant death Kind of flavor. So a little bit of a little bit of everything for everybody there. Appreciate it. You just got to get the bad That's how I always look. See was there this is too fast for me. You know, if it's too fast for you don't listen to something else Yeah, maybe you don't get it. It's maybe it's just not your thing You know, and that's what I would you know, like why would you try to reinvent? You're like, this is what we do This is how we this is what's right. That's right. You know, there's plenty of variety out there Just check out Spotify or amazon music or wherever you listen to your music There's lots of variety out there You don't need to make us into something else that we're not we're we're here to we're here to play for our fans. So jarboni Did I pronounce it right? Jabroni. Yeah, the wrestling term Um, I don't know. I don't know. So tell me about that It's a wrestling term. Um, and it's just it's a it's a wrestling term that just means person who I do not respect So It fits in with razor quite well um So, uh, jabroni's song is a song that is written from the perspective of a wrestler or a boxer Or anyway a professional fighter. Okay, could be an mma guy or a wrestler or a fighter who's about to enter the ring And he's you know, he's talking to shit about his opponent And he's letting his opponent know he's gonna suffer and that's what that song is about So it's written like that. I would love to see a professional wrestler or a professional mma guy Or somebody use that as a as an entry song to enter the ring So maybe something they will I think it'd be perfect. It's a perfect song for that. I love that song, by the way. I think it's a great song All right. Here's another song that I really love is king shit Yeah, king shit. Well, that's another very interesting song lyrically that song is written about Um, you're the boss you're the you're actually if you think about the the cover the cover of the album cycle of content The guy who's losing his head there on the cover that could be king shit saying of that Because it's basically a song or he's saying listen. I'm your boss You haven't got the guts to quit your job You're you're trapped here. There's nothing you can do about it And I don't care how you feel and that's what that song is. So it's written in that in that perspective. So that's uh I find that one really entertaining bob wrote those lyrics bob reed and I I think he did an awesome job on those He's got a real, uh, well, I mean I I would say this album is like sort of like the next I I guess shotgun jet if there was a now after shotgun justin's Shotgun justice 25 years ago. This would be the album, right? That's kind of yeah could well be it progresses into that Right. Yeah, it's definitely from that that mold. It's definitely from the same You know, it comes from the same place. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Here's another great song that I loved all fist fighting Right another bar. It's bar fights. It's all bar fights. It is bar fights It's about disrespect and uh, and uh, you know getting challenged and You know and just happened things just kind of things just kind of got carried away and next, you know Bar fight things are flying All right off my meds. What's going on here? Yeah off my meds is um, you know a song about A person who it could be anybody But it's somebody who is looking to get even with somebody for crossing them What a surprise and a razor's not and um, his way of dealing with that is to stop taking his meds So he can turn into the guy he wants to turn into to even the scar How much how much of uh, razor is the music is it punk influenced like I mean, of course It's metal. It's being metal. It's rash. But how much is there punk in there? Like, well, I mean, I like punk and metal I like, you know, and I mean, I like a lot of styles of music that maybe you don't even hear in razor Like I mean, I like smooth jazz. Okay, so like, I mean, I have a lot of variety of uh, You know, and I and I can play the piano and stuff too. So it's like that doesn't show up in the music at all The razor music, but I do have an appreciation for you know, all styles of music Um, as far as punk goes, um, there's a lot of punk bands. I love And I would say that punk I think had a bit of a influence on motorhead in the 70s and motorhead had an influence on razor And I think the whole movement to more speed Punk played a role in that, you know And so therefore, um, I think speed metal, fresh metal I think it's born out of a combination of metal and punk. So, uh, I think in that way for sure There's a, you know, there's a relationship there Yeah, I agree with that. You know, I love punk and I love when metal mixes in with punk because There's this technical aspect of metal and when you mix in with the anger of punk, you get an explosion, right? Yeah, and even literally speaking, right? Punk tends to be, um, um, looking for a bone to pick about something And that's kind of where it was, uh, that's kind of which I'm, I'm attracted to that kind of thing. Um, and I think that Definitely influenced the type of lyrics that we write, you know, um for sure for sure You know, one of my favorite punk bands of all time, uh, was the dead candidates And again, what really attracted me to them, I mean, I like the music But the relief in that track to me was I thought Jullo Biafra was just an amazing lyricist and his lyrics were fantastic And another great punk band that I love a lot of the Daeguos, you know, Canadian band the Daeguo abortions I I've always been a big fan of them. Um, I think that their musicianship was underrated I think they're really good musicians and really good guitar players and Um, and and you know, um, a lot of the time, you know, funny, you know, entertainingly funny, you know But then there's some other punk bands that are a little more obscure. I mean, propaganda's a great punk band, um, of course, um, and fantastic people who supported Supported, uh, razor and helped me out with a roast. It's just awesome guys, man Um, and uh, an a band that I loved also that people probably haven't heard of but I did post it on my twitter a couple of times Band called Yelp Parade Canadian band from Hamilton from the uh, to the late 80s Oh, they gave me a fantastic album and uh, you know, I'll have to post that again to for people to check out again Hell parade. Is that what it was? Yelp. Yelp Parade. Yelp Parade. Ah Oh, they were great. They were good. And the guy who sang on the Yelp Parade album If for some reason I ever needed another singer, uh, I don't but if I ever did if for some reason bob wasn't available I would have asked him the guy who sang for Yelp Parade because he had a great voice It's speaking of bob. He does a great job. He's he's you know, I wouldn't say he's lemmy But he's got that sort of gravelly. Oh, yeah, he's got the a and the I love bob's voice. Um, bob was somebody who I really uh Pursued to get to sing for razor in 1988. Uh, you know, I really wanted him to sing for the band because uh, I loved his voice and This album. I you know working with him on this album. I wanted to really make sure we got that real angry Uh pissed off bob read that you got that. Yeah, yeah, we did. Hey, we did he bob put in a great performance and uh, you know, um, yeah I love his voice and my music. I write I write for his voice You know, that's always uh in the back of my mind when I'm putting my riffs together I know who the singer is and I know, uh, you know, how to what I need to put across to get the best out of him too You know, Daniel black is saying are we going to see a special edition box set in the future? um box set, um well, the only box that we've been able to pull off until now was uh, uh came out of Greece and it was a five years of fresh insanity um cassette only and Isn't for that was has to do with rights issues with who owns this and that and that's what's what's caused the problem razor has a bit of a uh troubled history when it comes to who owns what And um, I had to get a number of lawyers involved at considerable expense to get sort of what I what I have rights to Versus what others have rights to so to get a full box that could be difficult. It's not impossible But it's it's it could be difficult. Um, I would love to do that on a format more than just cassette But right now it might turn out maybe someday it'll be Like box set series one box in series two And again, it has to do with rights issues more than anything. Otherwise, I would definitely Have something like that available. All right. Sean is saying a history question. You ready for this history question? Geography no No, where I go. Oh, okay. It's a good question. How did the song instant death get into bruce mcdonald's film roadkill in the 1980s? from chili. Yeah, yeah, I think he must just have liked the song because um We only became aware of it after the film was made Um to get permission to use that he just had to contact our publisher um, and on that on that song we were we had a publishing agreement with the uh, uh record company that originally did the album So, uh, we weren't involved in uh the license although we would have gladly given up a license to do it as well But yeah, so that's just he just must have liked the song I guess I think he was trying to put together a soundtrack for his uh movie Um, you know roadkill and he was trying to find some canadian bands that he liked to put on there as well So I think that's what you usually does what she usually does, you know, he had the headstones Or you know hugh dylan back in the day on his uh, what was it called that movie there? Uh highway 61 I mean did highway 60. No. No. No. No. It was uh the punk band that went across canada Anyways, when I remember I'll remember. All right. Bobby says who's on the album. So it's it's it's bob reed Mark right is playing on bass. Well, it's mike like mark. Mike. Mike. Mike. Mike. Yeah, sorry. Sorry. Yeah No, it's uh, bob reed on vocal uh, me on guitar But mike capitol the original bass player is on bass and rider johnson who's been with us since 2014 Except for a six month period. He's he where he had the e left for a while, but he's he's the guy on the rocks Yeah, let's go back to some track lists here Uh some tracks. Sorry punch your face. I think that's self-explanatory That's a self-explanatory Okay, this is the party song because I put this one together and uh the the music I wrote the music first And I wrote the lyrics on this one the music and I just listened to the music and the music the riffs sounded like Like somebody was getting punched in the face to me. Um, the the rift all the racer songs are like that They're all like touching your face. Don't bother me. I'm gonna, you know, yeah, go ahead You've heard the song jimmy, right? You remember that there's a part of that goes It decides I'll become punched in the face So it made me think of that So I thought well, you know what that kind of sounds like the musical equivalent of a guy getting punched in the face So then I just shaped the lyrics around that What set up another song Set up great song. I did like set up too. Yeah set up is about Being lied to and um, it's I tried to write it in such a way as to not take political sides Because I don't like to do that just because I think razor is fans of all political Persuasion that I'm not here to tell anybody what to think politically. I really not Um, I will offer my opinions on things but what I does bother me is when media and people not just media but people Just flat out lie and they know they're lying and they're using lying And they're they're expecting because they say a lie often enough that people are just going to accept that It's true because if you repeat something enough, some people start to believe it's true And it's just very dangerous. It's very dangerous to get and so what I did was in that song We're just kind of Encouraging people to be skeptical about things to be skeptical. Don't just because you're read at one place You know, like make sure you make sure you're checking more than one source or two sources for things You really need to you know, it's really dangerous just to believe everything you're told More independent thinking we have Uh, the better the safer societies are and that so that song for me was something that I just probably got Needed to say that at this time. I think it's really relevant to what's been happening You know, what's interesting about that statement is it's bands You know, it's bands who lead the charge in independent thinking and sort of Questioning things and that's what I always loved about bands and a lot of people say I don't want, you know Bands to be political. It's not a question of being political. It's about and it's not a question of anti-establishment. It's actually speaking out Of the injustices. Yeah, that's what bands traditionally have been and I know razors like that and a few other bands are like that But I find the majority of bands today They're pro establishment and they're not anti establishment It's sort of they're going along to get along because they're too scared Yeah, yeah, well the idea is I guess is that if things are going really well for them and they're they're successful Everything they don't want to rock the boat or whatever I get that but I mean to me it's still you know Like being an artist part of it is is having those kind of things making impactful lyrics lyrics that you know Say something, you know interesting and relevant And also, you know interesting and relevant to the time period that you're in is cool too because You know 20 years from now 25 years from now if people listen to these songs They will know that it's you know, what the conditions were Worldwide at the time these were written and it'll be kind of cool for that too, you know But yeah, I I feel like I I try to be I try not to To take too many sides, but I still try to get my point of view across Um, I definitely am against liars. I don't like liars. I got a problem of lying And there's a lot of it going on in the world right now and that's that's a problem And I agree with you on that point. I mean everywhere we go is it just seems like everybody's trying to take us for a ride, you know whatever Part wherever wherever you are in the political spectrum. I just find everybody's being lied to on both sides Well, and you know, right? I could start a website I could call it a opinion website. I could make a name. I could call it the independence or the I was an independent independence or the the canadian independence or and I could start just putting my opinions everywhere And and and then I could send links out and a lot of people would read those and go That's the truth because I saw it on a website. It's a news website. That's right. Well, it's just an opinion and uh, you know, that's that's What what worries me is that, you know, people are accepting things and retweeting and then and talking about Really important serious pieces of news and uh, not getting their facts straight before they spread the things It's easy to spread You know spread bs and it can get carried away really quick and it's dangerous Depending on what you're talking about. It can be very dangerous. You know, it's funny You know, just just a side note a lot of people say, you know, it's clickbait. It's clickbait. It's clickbait Let me tell everybody It is clickbait and the headlines are sometimes deceiving to what you're actually reading or misleading But it's always been like that Dave Yes, when we had newspapers and they controlled everybody in a certain geographical area They would carefully There'd be headline guys that one guy is hired to do the headlines No, it's true. You're right in the newspapers the headlines Sorry, go ahead. No, I was just gonna say what what I what I've done over the years because of this How I get my news um, for example, uh, for a lot of years I would uh, I would get my news from a newspaper And um, you still can't get them from a newspaper But you have to be aware of the fact that a newspaper has a lot of opinion pieces And newspapers have opinions and editorial staffs and they they can give you their opinion on things So they use may not be that biased whereas what I like to do was I did this about 15 years ago I started uh going to associated press to Reuters, uh to canadian press I try to go to organizations that are news organizations that specialize in just reporting facts And if you stick to those you tend to get the best, um, you tend to get the best, um unbiased news like for example, um, I just want to know the details of something I don't want to know what the person reporting it necessarily thinks of it if it's a news story Well, there, you know, right when this person is sort of giving their opinion on a news story like sometimes you'll see A news story and above it Like a post and above it you'll see Sort of an opinion before the post like they have the news like okay It's gonna be sunny today. Let's say is the headline, right? But you'll see above it in the text Who do these people think they are Like they're trying to sway you on what the article is like. Well, that's not really news That's not even quotes quotes Sometimes they'll take a quarter of a context and they'll put it in a little window at the side of the article and You know, yeah, you're right. If they if they have an agenda Hey, if people have an agenda, they'll they'll come up with sneaky ways to try and push that across to you And that's that's what the song is really talking about is just don't be Don't accept that face value Something somebody says just because they said it just because you watched them all the time either, you know No, I'm going to make a statement here because this is going to be very Um, it's going to be very non should be non offensive Maybe it'll offend everybody which would still be non offensive to me But if you look at two pieces of media in the united states, which we get here in canada Okay, you get fox news and you get um msnbc or you get to cnn and fox news and In the prime time spots around eight o'clock at night the they turn their shows over their their networks over to opinion people Okay, so you get opinions. So you get talk to carlson. He has an opinion you get an interesting cooper He has an opinion you get don levin. He has an opinion you get, um, you know, uh, laura ingram Or or sean hannity and he has a big opinions None of these people are dealing in news. None of them on either side are dealing in news So therefore these are the type of people i'm talking about don't Uh, don't sit there and accept that face value everything you hear because there's an agenda there to to make you think a certain way Um, and I'd rather have my news from like I say associated press or somebody where they really have no interest other than to bring you the The details of what's happening Yeah, I think that's kind of uh, you summarize it very well And you're saying everything is political the notion that bands shouldn't or should Shouldn't or should write political songs is completely absurd absurd blocks out of the telegar and made all real political songs Some more obvious than others and I think that's the key, you know, some more obvious than others. Yeah stick to Be cynical Be critical in your thinking That's a good message because it doesn't matter where you're getting news from who wrote this Why did they write this and who's behind this right, you know Well, and I write in my song to be to be cynical without I would include myself Like don't necessarily take everything I say it pays value either, right? I'm an entertainer and I'll I'll I'll give you You know my view of how some things are um, but you know, like I say you think for yourself was all I'm really trying to tell people to do And uh, why you're at it? I have a good time because that's what also needs You know, it's funny because I saw roger waters on cnn And I laugh so hard because I don't always agree with what he has to say but sometimes man You know what what he encourages is free thinking Don't Yeah, that's what I everything don't accept everything everybody's telling you and again I don't agree with everything he says just saying it for the record Yeah, right and sometimes I do but I'm just saying he encourages people to talk Because that's what people aren't doing people are not right and you know what being polarized on both ends Yes, yes, and we don't need to double five people For having an opinion people are allowed to have opinions and they don't have to agree They don't agree with with without they don't have to be the same opinion. Um, and that's fine. I have some Like for example, I wrote this song of this album called first great hate and on that song great song That song um If you read that song your property figure, well, the dave doesn't sound like he has much use for organized religion That's that's true. I don't but at the same time. I'm not I'm not judging. I'm not judging people who didn't It's it's it's it's personal choice But what I'm saying is again if you read that lyrics to that song and then you read the lyrics to set up Again, we're talking about liars. We're talking about liars. We're talking about I have a problem with people We're lying and some people are lying in that area for their own personal gain their own financial gain I wrote a song about that same topic back on shock and justice It was called concussion where I compared tv evangelists to serial killers But um, that was a song from 1990, but again, uh, you know, you look at like a look attempt the the more things changed the more they stayed the same and Uh, the same thing right like like in the name of religion and reporting to speak for Um, whatever higher power you believe in, um, you know, there are people who are just doing it for profit And they're just selling people, uh line of bullshit. So that kind of stuff. I felt it's worthy to comment on it All right. Yeah, I agree with you Hey, we want to be interesting, right? I don't want to write boring. So I'm sort of I want to write the uh Like back in the 70s as a kid growing up. I remember I loved these bands like I loved kiss And I loved acdc and I loved a lot of other bands not black sabbathism in this category But some of these bands every song they wrote was i'm a rock star suck my dick That's what their songs were right like every song was designed to pick up women and it was like okay guys like I get it But you know like can we write something else? I mean you go back now I mean you think about the 70s. There was some stuff that was even creepy, right? Like songs like pristine 16 and stuff. It's like like gene Simmons wrote a song about uh, uh Having the hotspots for a 16 year old when he was 30. It's like, wow Nice But that's what they were doing There's some bad stuff there you go back. Wow, you know, it's like you shake your head But um, yeah, I mean so we're trying to be interesting with our lyrics without without There's enough rock star suck my dick songs. Okay, just get a white snake out You gotta get a kiss out. I mean even white snakes even name is is even the name of the band Name the band after his dick. I mean like what are you gonna do? So, okay, you get my point Let me ask you this Did you guys did you guys open up for twister sister? No, we never did open for twister sister. I would love to I saw that on wikipedia. Is that even true? Well, we opened for we played with mortarhead and slayer and and venom and a few other bands Um, we did double bills with some other bands. Um, but no, I don't think we don't we never open for twister sister I've met I've met these nighter, but I never we never opened for Um, but I would have loved to back in the day because before stay hungry Twister sister was an underground metal band and the damn heavy one Um, you know, they they kind of uh, they kind of sold themselves out which d completely admits and acknowledges Um, they didn't really sell themselves out musically. I think what they did was they allowed a producer Eddie Kramer the producer I think they allowed him to soften their overall sound make it more radio friendly so they could have commercial success But you know, uh before that they were um Seriously heavy a mean band, you know a great great band great band A lot of younger people don't realize that about twister sister, but they were Because because they're they're fixated on that one song. That's why are this two right, right? Yeah Yeah, I mean it's become sort of part of pop pop culture in a sense, right? Yeah, have you ever Sorry, sorry, were you ever faced with the sort of uh, you know, somebody a manager or maybe your label saying, okay guys We need a hit Well in the case of our very first release, um, full full world wide release, which was executioner ston What happened there was that razor? We had earned a dangerous which was an ep we put out in 1984 and it sold pretty well, right? We sold out of that pressing pretty quickly and then attic records decided to sign us And we had an album ready which ended up it was called escape the fire And it was a full length album we wanted to put out but they wouldn't let us put that out that way because They were uh concerned about um, you know, they didn't know whether that was going to sell or not They didn't trust us basically So they said we have to have some songs from arm the dangerous On this first release because we know our dangerous soul. We know that there's some songs They're the people like I was like you you really think i'm that out of touch with the metal fans But they were like no we insist we we need these so what they did was They made me take four songs off of the album and they also rearranged the order of the songs I didn't really like the order they were in the what would you see on executioner song is not what I wanted The very first song on side two of executioners song was distant thunder Which is the only song we did that was even a little bit slow Although it has a bit of a Iron maiden kind of feel towards the end a little faster at the end. I made early iron maiden, which is when they were fast Um, so there was that they made that they put that they're thinking that that was somehow gonna I don't know what they thought it was going to do. We never had a video for it or anything, but they wanted that there um I don't think they ever really fully understood thrash um, I I still I still am well I am thankful that they wanted to sign us and that they did Um, I think maybe in hindsight it was a mistake for razor to sign with them because we were in the shadow of A lot of music that wasn't like us at all and therefore we weren't getting the special attention We needed at that time. Um, if we had signed with a label like metal blade Or mega force or music for nations that were more metal oriented at the time that would have been better for us But we didn't we took the canadian deal. We wanted to stay in canada And I think looking back that might have been a mistake for us. Yeah The fork in the road, right? I mean so many people talk about that Um, but we were so young to still to right like I was only uh I was only 20 years old and uh, you know to to get a recording contract at that age You know a lot of bands um, don't get a chance to do to learn their mid 20s or even later Before they get a chance to even have a recording contract. We got the recording deal first We couldn't get agents and management, but we got a recording contract That's usually the other way around you have an agent you have management But in canada, they didn't know what to do with razor The the agents didn't understand our heaviness and they they didn't think we were bookable And the um management we could there was no manager would touch us. Uh, not in canada They all thought we were way too heavy So the problem we had was we needed to go to the states or to europe To find the people who understood the people who understood the scene. We didn't do it We didn't do it. So we we have to uh, we have to live with the constables Did you get any interest from any other label like mega force at the time? Yeah, yeah metal blade wanted to do us this this is this is why I get myself right metal blade was talking to me At the time attic made the offer. Um We we we were just uh, probably a month away from closing a deal with that I knew I never talked to johnny about you guys before he died. I should have talked to you about johnson zula Yeah, yeah, yeah, well, we never worked with johnson zula. He didn't know who we were but but uh, we didn't We never worked with him Metal blade we were talking to not brian slagle We were talking to bill mitoyer who was like working with metal blade and had produced the Or engineered the first slayer album and I think he worked on the second one too I think he worked on hallowades and not sure but he was the guy that was talking to us about doing escape the fire And uh, I'm sure if metal blade had taken us they wouldn't have released it the way we wanted it Yeah, I do what happened We got excited about attic records wanting us because we saw anvil at the time anvil had been there a few years before us And we were like oh anvil's been all over europe and they've been to japan And then you know, they played with twisted sister and hired maiden and okay Let's sign with attic because we get if we get what anvil got will at least be that big And then we can we'll take it from there and that was kind of our thinking right But what we didn't know was When we signed with attic one of the first things they told us after we signed with them was Well, we can't spend any money on that because we spent that money on anvil and it didn't work out But we can't give you this because we gave that to anvil and it didn't work out So instead of getting the resources that we thought we were going to get we got an explanation on why we weren't going to get them So that was a lot of bands. That was crocus on attic Uh, no, I don't think so. I don't think crocus was on attic records. You had the erin You had the nylons, which was the nylons. Yes. Yes, you had the teenage had Um, you had triumph in the early years cup first couple eight albums, but they were gone by the time we got there Um, and I think those would be the main ones that I could think of that were on attic The time we were there li erin was their number one all important thing and razor was way down the list on Promoting li erin was what they were obsessed with Metal music wise heavy music wise And the nylons were also their other big thing, right? Because they were making uh, platinum melons of the nylons. They were doing good Yeah, yeah back in the day and they were following the fall over shop barbershop Right, right and it was successful for them. So, you know, they just didn't understand The potential that razor may have had they just didn't they looked at us as a bunch of guys who make albums pretty economically and they saw decently So that's that's just what they were saying. Oh, this is a niche band, but they'll pay our phone bills or whatever So we'll keep them on the roster. Yeah. Yeah, Andrew's saying can you ask Dave? Who's his favorite bay area thrash band ever Like bay area thrash band area thrash. So you have like slayer. You have violence. You have See, I call slayer and slayer wouldn't be barrier. They're los angeles and uh barrier Sorry. Yeah, you're right. You're right. You're sorry My favorite bay area thrash band would probably be Um, I really liked forbidden when they came out. I thought they were fantastic Exodus was from bay area. Yeah. Yeah. Exodus was from the bay area. Yeah, I wouldn't know I wouldn't be able to say I like actually this better than metallic or I wouldn't favor one of the other I believe it or not guys. This is going to be embarrassing to say, but I'm not even that knowledgeable about Testament or death angel. I know they're from the area But I don't know they're they're I don't know they're um, they're catalogs that well I just know that every time I've heard a song by them. I think it's pretty good But I don't know they're catalogs that well, uh, I would say it's the one that I really If forbidden was a band that the album forbidden evil. I thought was a fantastic release when it came out That would be the one I I guess motorhead was more of your influence, right? My biggest influences with razor would be motorhead and a raven. No question. I'm a raven. Yeah early raven early raven Wiped out. Wiped out. Yeah. Yeah, like all for one rock to the drop wiped out and all for one Uh, those are amazing records, especially wiped out wiped out to me was just such a brilliant release and um, they did so much with so little because Raven did not have big budgets and they were really at the the forefront of playing at a higher speeds Um, they were just like lunatics like a three piece band of lunatics. They were fantastic, but The younger or people who don't go back as far as me don't realize that about raven. They see the they see the raven The terrible of records and raven would agree with me. I think the album Pack is back and yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean this It's so bad for their I feel so bad for them because they're so freaking heavy And they have these two terrible records that that are in their catalog and that picture on the pack is back It's horrible. It's doesn't it's not who they are Did you ever think of having a hockey helmet on stage? Did you ever hear of wearing a hockey helmet on stage? No, yes Well, I mean that's even when they did that you talked about the drummer for raven. Uh, Rob Waco But when they did that that's when they started to go the wrong way even though that they did it on all for one Which is still a great album before that when he was just he didn't call him a wacko either He was just rob hunter and that was when he was the best the three guys john Mark Gallagher and rob hunter on wiped out and you there's a poster that came with the album I bought it when it first came up lock and white poster. They're in jeans t-shirt long here. None of this hockey helmet. None of this What like like glam shit that was going on. But you know what even even judas priest got caught up in that Yeah, they did But I think they had a good success with the turbo. I think they still they did better than raven did though You know what I know but I'll all agree with you when those first three raven albums came out They're just cutting edge Yeah, those are their best Literally gold these albums. They might have been my favorite band at the time when they came out in 1982 and wiped out came out I don't think there was a heavier album anywhere and john singing and you know, he could still sing like that Great singer great singer just they're all talented but they're funny to me mark gallagher is such a great guitar player I just think he's so imaginative and his solos are amazing and I just I admire the hell of that guy and I just I can't believe they're still going and I I really admire that they're still going They obviously are really passionate about the music, which is you know, I really respect that a lot Yeah, oh, yeah But I mean we I've talked to mark a john about you know, the hockey helmets and all that look You know and you know to hit and to be fair all the bands are doing some ridiculous clothing Image thing, right? Yeah And I think it's just a thing, right? We're getting some bad advice. I think for the record company I I blame a hundred percent even though the hockey thing was before this um, I blame a hundred percent Atlantic records for trying to ruin and destroy raven with what they did On uh on the elephant stick her the pack is back just completely the opposite of what raven is trying to make raven like like Motley cruise. I was like, what are you doing? But I do like on and on the song on and on I think is a fantastic song It's just you know, there may well be a gem there, but I couldn't get past um Some of the stuff I was hearing it was just like, oh these poor these poor guys I just I just felt like they were being forced to do something They don't want to do and you can tell when they got when they finally got to do what they wanted They came up with life's a bitch. It was fantastic. Fantastic. Yeah, another great ribbon up, right? That was the raven I know and let me tell you the last few albums that they've had are just just equally as amazing You know, there's the fire is back. You know, they just look like all bands. They went through their period, right? Yes, yes, it really wasn't that long a period, but it was at a very critical time Yeah, that's right critical time is is a way to say it Yeah, so you opened up for slayer you opened up for motorhead. There's no twist of sister You have not opened up for twist that can confirm right now. There was I would have loved to though I would have loved to Was there any other band you guys opened up for? I'm trying to remember now. Um acdc You know, I love acdc. We went for acdc. We would have been playing pretty big places back then Do you still like I saw one comment, you know and you know is sheepdog on this and we've talked about this before I know I know they do that. You can't you know what that's fine. I mean, but I mean this is bob Bob does such a great job of this album and I don't know man. It just seems like every you know, there's got to be people who just can't I don't know man. I I guess he's got that What is it? Would you ask about paul diano on the new iron maiden album? I mean, how many albums? Bob's been the singer always been the singer for 34 years So, I mean to be the new guy and been in the band for 34 years That's kind of you know, I mean, I don't think he's the new guy anymore And I don't want to but I don't want to take away Um the performances that that mclaren did on the the early albums because he did a great job He did a great job and he's a member of pays memorable singer people still want to talk about but um, you know, I think you guys have to understand that um that that That reunion is is not going to happen. It's not because I'm I don't I want to be a jerk or anything It's just hey, I love the people I'm making music with now and I'm making good music I'm happy about it, right and uh, honestly this lineup of razor is just Four guys who get along so well and enjoy each other's company and and and have a good time together And I like that. I like being a part of the band like that. Yeah. Yeah, I agree with you What about the success of evil invaders? Well, our most successful album up till now is final restitution That was our number of the best selling but but I remember at the time, you know, like when evil invader came out, you know, it was You know, it was it was a big deal I guess because there was this sort of arcade connection too, right? Like even though it wasn't about that but you know that was sort of Relevant, I guess Timing it was our second album It was an important album because you know the sophomore album is always Really important because it pretty much tells the world to these guys have the ability to Stain their their career or is it a one one hit wonder kind of, you know I mean like can they continue to produce good music? You find that out when they do more than one release because you know, you could be working on your first album for 10 years You don't know a lot. I took them to put it together So when they have to put another one together, you find out whether or not they've got the ability to To create our regular basis And I I think that uh, you know, plus we got the video they did the video for that Really got us some tv exposure and they gave us an opportunity to maybe get a few new fans And you know, I do love that album. I think it's a great album I wish looking back that we'd had more time to work on it in the studio But I know that we wouldn't have been allowed to have any more time So, uh, you know, we did the best we could in three days. So that's what it took us to make that Dave that was the song that got me into razor back in the day You know, I saw the video on much music right and that was a song, you know, that was it had the groove it had the sort of You know the the fast section and the groove section and it just you know, it's kind of really catchy riff at the beginning I think that's kind of a unique Yeah, it's a unique sound. It's it's kind of cool. Um, yeah And uh, you know, I didn't think it was anything particularly special when we wrote it I liked it. It was a song on the album, but I didn't know it was going to be the title track I mean, we were actually thinking about calling the album speed merchants Um, and the title we were looking at with crash debts now looking back Most people say, oh, no evil invaders is what it should have been called. Okay. So then you got to give give a Give me give credit to attic records because that was there. They wanted to do that. That was their decision So they did one thing, right? You know, I think their heart was in the right place. I hate the album cover is excellent Right excellent. That's the iconic album cover. I think so too. I think their intentions were always good I wouldn't throw darts at the people at attic For trying to do what they could do. Um, I don't I don't you know, I mean, I don't When I said they didn't understand so they didn't get us. They were they were part of the entire scene in Canada Was like that and they were just part of it. Um, I don't know that I can blame them or hold it against them It's just how it was. I think I think honestly the mistake was made by us. We should have we should have relocated You know, yeah, yeah, okay. Sean saying Here's the last question. I know Dave got sick a number of years ago touring South America Is there any hesitation about touring there in the future? Because Sean is actually in chili. So what what's going on here? We're gonna visit Sean here or what? Well, I'm gonna say what happened. I lost my smile. I've lost my smile. Look guys Can you notice that my face is not Like well, this side isn't going up enough Well, I think it got better. It's it's it's it may have improved a bit, but it's not perfect I've lost my ability to really smile. It was because I got something called bells palsy And uh, that was coming back to the south america, but that wasn't because of south america That was because of exhaustion. I could have played anywhere and that could have happened to me I mean, I could have been in europe. I could have been in canada. I could have been in south america Could have been in japan it was because Because I did five shows in five days in five different countries. It was insanity. It was insanity. The schedule was nuts. And I'm not, you know, I'm not in my 20s anymore. I'm not even sure if my 20s, that's a good idea. And by the fifth show, we were so, I was, I was sick. I was sick. The last two shows, I was really bad. And then we had the long 12 hour trip home and it was delayed and it was just like, it was just terrible. Just the awful experience, the travel. Not the shows. I love playing for those audiences. They're nuts. When I go back to South America, well, I did. I went back in 2018. Those shows were 2017, the ones where I got sick. 2018, I went to Argentina and Brazil and played some more shows. So that answers the question. Of course, I'll go back. So a cycle of contempt. You can pre-order now, you know, just go to relapse records, go to the Razor website, go to the Facebook for Razor. Yeah, you can go to my Twitter page. The Twitter page, yes. If you type in Dave Parlo Razor, all one word, just type in Dave Parlo Razor. You'll see my Twitter, my Instagram, my YouTube. It's all there. And if you go to my Twitter, the first thing that there is the link for the pre-order, you can also watch the lyric video just by clicking on that link. And that's it. We're looking forward to more videos. We're looking forward to some more shows. And thank you very much, Dave. Thanks, Jimmy. Support the Metal Voice, guys. They do a lot of good, a lot of good for a lot of bands. And, you know, they're just an awesome presence on the internet for us. So I appreciate Jimmy's support. And, you know, I appreciate your support for Razor, too, guys.