 Recording in progress. All right, you guys are good to go. All right, welcome everyone. March 13th, 2023, we've posted this warning in three places publicly and on the website and emailed interested parties so we can move forward with this meeting and first we got the minutes from the prior meeting of February 27th. Do you guys have any modifications or corrections on those? Couple typos, though. Couple typos, but nothing drastic. All right, so I'd move to approve those. I second. All in favor? Aye. Okay, all right. And we have the appointments and so the, we wanna go with the guests or Pam and Scott Mitchell on. They're not on right now. No, okay, we'll let them hang for a little while yet. And Tony, you're here representing the library trustees, but who's come the farthest? You? You, sure. We're sure. He's driving into this one. He's driving into the storm. So let's jump to that, which would be item four on the agenda. So. I have, we did some research. We did look around based on the initial proposal and we did get two proposals because we are so close to Addison County and Windsor County, which everyone knows about that. But it is my suggestion that Windsor County is where we should stay. I do have the outline of what is going to be expected from both and. She probably can't hear me. Yes, she's waving frantically. Can you not? You're muted, Martha. No, I can hear you. I just couldn't hear who it was that you were speaking to about and what about? I was speaking out into the world. You went through several things, but. County Sheriff. Sheriff's. Windsor County Sheriff? Just Sheriff's services at this point, yes. I suggest that Windsor County is where we would stay. They met, they met, our needs are the cost. They're willing to work with our budget that we were able to come up with. Yes. Yeah, I don't see any problem with that. I'd stay with them too. Yeah, do you have anything you want to contribute? No, I just kind of real quick at what, if you had questions or anything that you wanted from me, kind of outlined it. We're looking to move to more of a regional policing model. I was hoping that some of the neighboring towns were gonna get on more on board with that, but that's okay. But we should be able to really, you know, pump in the budget up a little bit like you did. It's gonna help us provide better service. And so that's my main goal is to make sure that we're providing the best service that we can to the residents of Windsor County. Well, I'm feeling lucky that we're in Windsor County and not some of these other counties, because your department hasn't been in the news. No. Good job. Yeah, trying to keep it just positive news articles. You know, I inherited a very good team. Fiscal, you were very good shape to some of the updates. Body cameras were a big thing. So we have top of the line body cameras now. All the cruiser cameras are getting somewhere work. Some didn't have some. So there were 20 body cameras, 20 cruiser cameras. We had training last week on that or two weeks ago. So cameras are implemented. I've hired seven people since I've started. I have four that started the part-time police academy or the level two police academy this week. I was working the other night on Garvis Highway Safety and stopped a car that I suspected was, they're on a little tourist trip from Holyoke to Newport, Vermont, you know, in the middle of a Saturday night. So one of my top priorities right now is canine. You know, we've got a pretty good idea of how we're gonna solve that. I was left with three big, I would call it infrastructure issues, mobile laptop computers. Those are on their way. That was a $60,000 expense for us. The second was I needed more cars. All my cars are, you know, high mileage for police. You know, a lot of them are north of 70. Most are in the 80, 90, 100,000. For a police car, it's a lot of miles. I had five new Tahoe show up last week. They're about the same cost as they explore, almost identical now. So we went with the Tahoe's a little bit bigger. And working on the modernization, just overall of our processes and procedures on the horizon in the next, I hope, six months, certainly within the year. We'll have an onboard social worker, victim's advocate type role that's gonna help work with people out in the community and solve some of those problems. And just kind of modernize my structure and everything there. So we're also serving all the civil process in Orange County. We're doing a couple of things. And hoping to have one or two SIU detectives, which are sexual assault investigators, essentially, child abuse and sexual assault investigators under our umbrella. There's some grant money out there. So we'll work on figuring that out within the next year, but really working on kind of modernizing the department and pushing forward. So I have a question and a request. Not necessarily in person, although that would be preferred. Is it possible that we could touch base every quarter? As to how we're doing, how you're doing what you expect from us. Our needs change from season to season. So it would be nice just to do that touch base on a quarterly basis. And if you find that you can't, you can just email a little report on how things look from your end. Sure, sure. Well, I've got 20 people work for me, so somebody will be here in person. If it's not, happens to be me. We'd like to meet them all. Yeah, we'll try, we'll take them through. Here. In good terms. In good terms. Mike Roos, one of my sergeants, is kind of, he's gonna, Rochester's kind of under his purview. So on the minor stuff, hey, there's somebody speeding on the mage drag or whatever, work with him on those stuff and the bigger picture stuff. One of the things that's important to us too is getting a list of your goals. So kind of maybe you guys think about, all right, what's important to us? This isn't Rutland or Burlington or something, so your goals might look a lot different than them, but is it speeding on Main Street? Is there a drug deal in house? Is there animal complaint? Kind of put together your goals so that we can kind of focus our approaches, our efforts here on that. Well, yes, I expect monthly reports, but then quarterly is, we'll be here at least quarterly, I think. Okay, what we're accustomed to is monthly bills. Yeah. It has a little something behind it. The other thing that I'm curious about is as I'm fishing around for grants, there seems to be grant money that's offered to municipalities for the services. Is there something that we can do to partner with you so that we can provide you with better service? I'm sure that the answer is yes. I don't know what that looks like. There's potential for things like, off the top of my head, a COPS grant where we could potentially town of Rochester to say, hey, let's get a full-time person or maybe a team, Stockbridge, there's a weird boat down there, it's a different, but I was hoping to regionalize better. But there's scenarios like that where it's a four-year grant that the town picks up the fourth year, the government pays for the first three years and the town picks up the fourth year and by that person, we could dedicate to the town just off the top of my head. So yes, there's lots of stuff. ARPA money can be used towards law enforcement. I don't know what your situation is with that. So there's a lot of different things that we need to explore. This first month, month and a half has been just about shoring up the ship so to speak and then we're working on kind of expanding out there and putting some of my people to work on those packages. Radios, sorry, radios was the other issue that I need to work on. It's gonna be about a million dollar fix. So we're working pretty hard on coming up with a million bucks. You don't have to do it. Right, let me check. Let me check. Well, as I'm surfing around for grant programs, I will touch base with you if I see something that we could be connected. Yes, please, anytime. And you've got my cell phone and all that stuff. So just reach out whenever, right? On Zoom, Martha has a question if you're gonna do that. Martha? Hi, I'm sorry, I just, I didn't get the name and rank of this gentleman who spoke from the Sheriff's Department, I'm sorry. My name's Ryan Palmer and I'm the Windsor County Sheriff. So Ryan, R-O-I-A-N? Yes, ma'am. Palmer and you're the Windsor County Sheriff. Okay, thank you very much. Sorry to bother you. No, don't bother at all. She's our newspaper. Who do you know? You can respond to that. Oh. She's gotta get the names right. Perfect. For the newspaper. Great, so I'll move to approve the decision to continue on with the Windsor County Sheriff Department. I said no. All in favor? All right. All right, thank you. Thank you. We'll make you proud. All right. All right. We'll get under here and head back to the cell. Yeah, well, let's stay down. Take travel. We understand. It's a hybrid cruiser out there. Hybrid F-150, it's five miles to the gallon more than the explorers and an extra 20% charges itself. Yeah. Wow, cool. So we're gonna see you leaving in it? Yeah, he's right. I can see it from right here. It's also pretty fast too, so you will be fine. That's why they call it an Olympian. Thanks for the high. No, it's not anything like it. It's a hundred percent electric. This is a hybrid here. Okay, so let's jump back to the top of the list. We had the treasurer's report from February. I didn't get a chance to look at that, but either of you get to look at it. I browsed through it. I didn't browse through it enough. I'll go through it tomorrow, but I'm sure it's probably fine. We can't do much about it. I knew to accept it. I do see that Julie has gone through it quite extensively. All right, so I second that motion. All in favor? All right. Thanks, Pat. We'll have to go through in five minutes. We want to just start diving into the appointments here. We're kind of the organizational meetings here. I don't want to go into the library. You want to go to the library? All right. Yeah. Let's book your reading. You got people there. Yeah, we've got a couple library people on Zoom too. Okay. All right. So what's up at the library? Well, hi, everyone. Callie Callie here for the library. Martha. Hi, Martha. So we had talked, we had been here a couple months ago about the potential grant opportunity, which is now starting. So what I'm here for tonight is we have a needs assessment that we need to fill out before and get sent in before the end of the month. Basically, what they're asking for is to show that we have support from the town for this project. And that will require someone from the select board. Well, first of all, I think we want to have someone from the select board that will kind of be a representative to help us with this. Jeanette has been working really hard on the grants. Jeff Gephart has been working really hard on getting some information. I believe he sent it to you guys. So what we're looking for is a commitment to either appropriate or earmark some money from the Building Reserve Fund, approximately 10% of this draft of needs, which is approximately $232,403. Yeah, so we're looking for 10% commitment from you. Now, this money doesn't need to be spent right away. These projects don't need to be done until the end of 2026, but they're not going to give us a grant unless they know that we have support from the town and that we're willing to cough up a little bit. So that's kind of where we're at. I don't know if Jeanette or Jeff wants to jump in and add anything to what I just said or... No? No, yet they're both on mute. Okay. So typically... They both just on muted. Okay. Typically with a grant, you can also put in kind your own time that has been devoted to the project with a value on your hourly rate for what you've done for the program. And that is often considered as part of the match. Okay. So I want to make that point. It's more often than not, you can use in-kind services. Okay. So Jeff has already done a lot of that. Yes, that's true. And Jeanette does have her hand up. Okay. Okay. For the purposes of the needs assessment, they're not looking for... They're not asking about any sort of in-kind contributions. They're asking for how much money has been committed by the town to the project. So in-kind is not going to play a factor in this grant matching? At this time... At the point of the application, this is the needs assessment that's due this month. And they're asking about both authorization from the select board for the project as well as a financial commitment. And this is for the application to this grant. Which the application hasn't come out yet. They're going to be using this needs assessment to prepare the application and then we'll do that when it comes. But it hasn't come out yet. But this needs assessment is what they need by the end of the month or we don't even have a chance at all. So this is really important to get this done. Nancy? What is the project designed to do? You're getting a grant to do what? All the building repairs that need to be done. Which are a lot. The entire building. $232,000. How much? $232,000. And I would interject if I might, that that is a preliminary number that is likely to grow. I do see that you took the engineering out and brought it down under $200,000. Just to make that point. Was there a reasoning behind that, Jeff? Yeah. Well, one of the things is that. My experience with estimating is very good with respect to materials. I've always had a good project manager or foreman. To estimate labor. So the labor costs in there. Our guesstimates based on some guidance. I think that's a good point. Yeah. Gave me. I sought some advice from her thinking they might have RS means or other. Mechanisms for calculating labor costs for project types. And she didn't, but she. Said that she would use a particular hourly rate. For the estimate on the labor and that for the full project, it would, I think it was 20%. That's what one would expect for an architect or engineer. With the. With the building. With the window sizes. And with the window details and the need to ensure we're not right back in the same place in a couple of years. So, I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. And by avoiding that is, is by doing what's called a vented rain screen. To keep the cladding away from the actual weather resistive barrier, which is behind it. So, you know, there are, there are drawings for details. That would be necessary and engineering on the windows, on the double home windows, the size of the windows in the library these days. In fact, 90% of the windows on. In on the market are smaller than this. It's not something that we can find it with from too many vendors. And the vendor that I did talk to was concerned about the size with double homes and with wind loading. So, there's also, there are also issues with the energy code. And basically, for one, I feel that we do need that some level of professional design and construction assistance. You know, I'm not an engineer. I'm not an architect. And I don't want to accept the liability for them, whether it would come back to me or not. But, you know, that's, you know, it's a significant project. And, you know, I do expect that there may be some additional cost increases. I have found someone who can replicate the wood, the. All of the balusters and. The freezes and all, all the components that are, you know, the old buildings of that nature. I have a $20,000 allowance for that right now. But I don't know, you know, I won't, won't be surprised that it goes up beyond that. You know, it's a work in progress. I have about three days worth of dealing with my own taxes. And then I'll be able to get back on the scope of work. I think one thing though is that. And I was kind of what kind of hope that we could address the roof repair. The inspection, at least, and minor repairs. You know, possibly much more rapidly. You know, the building, the roof on the building has been leaking for a while. Jim Harvey explained what he saw in the attic, the roof is wet insulation and a couple of nail holes missing. Neil. And, you know, it takes quite a bit to get up on that roof. The proposal for the repair or a minor repair and inspection. Should, unless they find significant other problems that we're unaware of. I think that's a good idea. I think that's a good idea. Right of the immediate leakage. And we're also seeing over in that area on the second floor, some sagging at the. The wall ceiling junction. There's concern that that might be water damage. From the leak that's been ongoing. So, you know, I would, I would kind of hope that the. And minor repair could be done and we can focus. On the longer term project of. Upgrading, you know, the building and, and stopping it, the degradation that's happening on the clouding all at this point. I guess my question was. It's an estimate based upon cricket's guidance. It's a percentage of the overall project cost. To be named. Yes. Yeah, I assume a project and these costs levels, except for the minor repair and inspection of the roof. I'm assuming those all need to be put out to bid. So. So what is the amount of the grant that you're applying for? Well, We don't know the exact amount yet because it still has come out. Because they, we don't have the application yet. So. I mean, we're kind of working with what they gave us in that, which isn't much. Except for this needs assessment, which they're going to write the grant application based on what they get from people. So. And there, there are two possible sources is at least two possible sources on the grant side there. Vermont department of libraries grants as well as the, what was it? Merp. Municipal energy resiliency program or something like that. So we've been looking at two different sources for grants here. I don't think one source will suffice for the whole thing. The Merp grants are even be talked about until 2024. So we're concentrating on this public facilities preservation initiative grant funding, which is $10 million from there. They would be wanting a 10% match from the town for what the grant, they didn't specifically say a 10% match that's, I think that's the number that we came up with that would correct me if I'm wrong. Jeff or Jeanette, that would just show good faith that the town is willing to stand behind this project. I mean, we have, you know, golden opportunity here for a quarter of a million dollars or more. Sounds like we're going to need it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, yeah, there's a lot to be done that, you know. So I guess what I was getting at is trying to narrow down what that 10% number is. And if this is work, that's going to be performed over the course of several years. That wouldn't mean that we would necessarily have to come up with all that money and one fell swoop that could split. Yeah. Yeah. Which makes it much more doable for us. Sure. Could we, is there, we had designated some money for our funds to go towards that project. Can we use that money that way? Well, that money was designated to go towards building improvements. So yes, we can. I don't know what we originally had it earmarked for. Well, we talked about putting, I remember the original thing we looked at was 40 grand towards this project from the ARPA funds. So we could potentially say we already got it done. Well, that would be great. We just have to, you know. The building fund right now, I don't think has a balance much more than 13,000. Right. But you had a bucket in ARPA funds already set aside. And I think that's, you know, what is the mechanism of your request for municipality, bond, town appropriation, building reserve fund, ARPA funds? I guess that would answer that question. So based on what we know and what figures we have now, we could agree to go forward. Yeah. And we could say that we could. If those numbers like that. 10%. Yeah. Okay. Become a moving target. We may have a different decision in the future. Okay. As it stands right now. Yeah. We just want to make sure and request and hope that you're on board with all of this because, you know. We like golden opportunity. Yeah. Yeah. It really is. And I, you know, I think we have a really good chance based on the number of libraries that are going to be requesting money and how much money there is. Yeah. You know, that's a good amount of money for a small state like us. And more likely as soon as that application comes out or you can turn around. Absolutely. Right. Exactly. Because it may. Yeah. Often it's first come, first serve kind of deal. Right. Yeah. Jeanette just wanted to get, we have to get this in by the end of the month. So we couldn't wait till next, your next meeting. So. So you need a formal letter from us in the select boards. Yeah. Jeanette will probably can answer that question. Yes. A formal letter from the select board. Not only authorizing the library to secure these funds to do the renovations on the building, but also that the town is making a financial commitment and whether you want to state that as a percent of the project or whether you want to simply state a financial equivalent of $20,000 or, you know, some commitment in good faith towards the project. The, they say the grant applications will be out in short order after the needs assessment documents are submitted and that the grant applications will be due at the end of June. And they, although there's a long building window, they are have already announced that they will be giving preference on the grants to projects that are shovel ready projects that, you know, have been out to bid that have the other financing in order. And having as many of these things done as possible improves our chances of getting the grant. That being said, Jeff did bring up these Merp grants that will be available in another year. This is also during the window of the library grant so that if the town is going to apply for other buildings to include the library, because those are very specific for municipal building improvements. And if the town is not going to be applying for other town buildings, then the library will go ahead and apply for those funding specific to the library building to try to stack on to this grant as well. Unfortunately, the timelines are disparate in that these will be due this spring. The applications for those won't be out until probably the beginning of next year. So that makes planning very difficult, but it could be that much of the work be done as a stage one and then finish a project with a stage two with a Merp grant. But they're all balls in the air right now. And we're just dealing with the first deadline as it comes and then looking ahead to the next deadline. All right. Jeanette, can you piggyback those grants for sure? I mean, the remote. Yes. Okay. That's all I was curious about. They are what they refer to as stackable. Okay. Very good. Thank you. It sounds like we have a plan go forward. We could draft that letter of support. And as a first step in that though, we have this application or proposal for $1350 from the Vermont construction company to deal with the roof leak immediately. And I think that's kind of a no brainer. We have to go ahead and do that. We can figure that out. So I'd move to set this application. I second. All in favor? All right. All right. Okay. So a question about that. Should I go ahead and contact the roofing company and have them get in touch with Julie about signing paperwork and getting this scheduled? Yeah. We've got a contract right here on the desk with them, actually. Yes. But. Okay. I'll contact them and have them get a hold of Julie. Julie can contact. Yeah. Yeah. You know, one of the things that, you know, we know we have a leak in looking at the overall project. The question came up. Do we have a good roof there or not? Yeah. It's a gal balloon roof that has 40 years on it. I did some research on gal balloon and I'm finding warranties going up to 50, 60, even 75 years. But that has a lot to do with the substrate that the metal roof is on. So one of, you know, this will give us the information that we need to have to say either yes, the roof is good for another 15, 20 years. Or no, we probably have to roll something more into this overall big project. Yeah. Yes. And part of the bigger grant will be a step of removing any wet insulation up there and topping off what's up there with clean, dry insulation as part of the bigger project. That's included in this? No. So that's just a rough inspection and repair. That's included in this? Yeah, that's the bigger step. That's a bigger one. Before we finish, Jeanette, do you think you have all the answers you need to finish filling out the needs assessment or do you need more specific information from the select board for any of these questions? I think we do, do you? You think we have them all answered? Yes, I think so. But I just want to double check while we're here. And if not, if it's okay with Dune to make a quick phone call from him if I need anything else on the application. Yeah. Thank you. Okay. Thank you guys. Thank you very much. We're working hard to keep this building together. Yeah. Definitely worth the effort to land that money. Yeah, definitely. And Jeff, thank you for all your digging in and research and work on this. I much appreciate it. Who's doing the letter? Julie Wendraff's letter. All right. Thank you all very much. We really appreciate it. Thank you. I don't know if now's the time to mention this, but we have Scott and Jason from VHB. So I don't know if you wanted to do them next. They're on Zoom. Oh, for the bridge? Oh, okay. Want to do the bridge? Sure. Get that here, Joe. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. But it's not if they want to be here online. Yeah, they don't need to listen. Sure. Thanks, everyone. Yeah, thank you. So the bids that were open, I wasn't here, but I know what they were. And they were all much more than we were hoping to see, but they don't have much of a control over that. And that's the, and I think we need to go ahead and award that to the lowest bidder. Which is St. Ange. St. Ange. St. Ange. St. Ange. Yeah, I agree with that. I don't think the choices are few, none really. So I think we should go ahead with it. You got anything to add to that, Jason? Thanks, Scott. Anybody? I understand you guys are in a tough position and you're making a tough decision, but I think that we've talked Frank, you have a good fair price from St. Ange, and prices aren't going down, so. No. This is another one of those golden opportunities. Right. I don't know if it's golden or not. So much pain happening. Well, it's a step in the right direction anyway. We got to do it. So I think we don't have a whole lot of choice in the matter. No, and it's not going to pay to drag our feet. No, it isn't. Do we have the number of the bids somewhere? Don't really. I might be in here. So that we can formally announce it? Yeah. I think we got it somewhere there. Thank you. I'm happy. All right. Okay. You want to read that off? Go ahead. St. Ange, we have a total base bid of $1,217,320. I move we accept that bid. Yeah. Second that. All in favor? Aye. Aye, aye, aye. Yep. Okay. Yep. And so that's going to be done by next winter, isn't it? Yes. By the fall. Moving forward, it's got to be done by then. Yeah. You can't get in the room. Anything else from you guys in Zoom or Debson? That's it. Thanks for coming out. Appreciate you joining in on this. You're welcome to stay too. You're both laughing and exiting as fast as they can. All right. Thanks. Thank you for moving the project along. Thanks for making the decision. And we'll be in touch truly. I'll be in touch with you too, Jason. I don't need anything holler. We'll be frank. Thanks. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Bye guys. Yep. Okay. Do we have Scott? No, not yet. Well, unless if there is somebody that's on a phone number and I'm not sure who that is, could you let us know? What phone number? The number is 967-8031. That's been the feedback that we've been getting on the owl. But right now they're silent and I don't know who it is. Can we look at the... Did you hear it now? Yes. Okay. It's Scott and Pia Mitchell. Oh, great. Okay. We were hoping you guys would be here. You scared the crap out of me. We tried to do something. I don't know what happened. Does it work out? Okay. Well, glad you got us this way. We hear you're fine. Yep. We can hear you good. Okay. Thanks. Okay. All right. Do you want to give us a quick rundown of what you're requesting on the select board here? Yeah. When we're supposed to get some... I guess there's an issue. What we were asking the town to do was basically opt into the retail part of selling cannabis. We wanted the zoning up here. And there was a question on the zoning up here and on corporation. And we never did receive the difference what they were... I guess there was a meat discussion about primary and secondary retail. So can you fill us in with that? Well, that's the next step down the line. The first step here is the question of the town opting in for retail cannabis. And that's got to happen first before then whether that is primary or secondary retail. You're out of the general commercial district. So it would be a conditional use. You'd have to go through a conditional use permit because it's not a straight up designated use in your neighborhood for a retail space. But the first step before that is asking the town to warn and conduct a special meeting so the town can vote on this. Because it's not a decision that the select board makes. It's a vote. It's a vote, right. It's something that the town votes on whether it wants to allow retail cannabis in town or not. So the process... So what is the time frame for warning? It's up to 30 to 40 days. 30 to 40 days, yeah. We can do the school vote just because that's when everybody's out voting. Yeah, yeah. And that's how long? So that's 50 days from now. We can warn it in 10 days from now. Okay. So what we're looking at and the most likely way of having the biggest response to this vote is to add that ballot in with the school vote. Because then you have a large town meeting already being warned and most likely to get the best response out of that. So that's our thought, which is what 50 days out. It's 50 days out, so in 10 days I'll be able to... So that's the first step is to get the town to decide whether or not it wants to opt in to allowing that. And then the next step is... Yeah, go ahead. We opted in and we weren't allowed to sell retail up here. So it seems like we should know if we're allowed to sell retail before we pursue that. Well, it's really... We would want to get the zoning. Well, it doesn't really... Either way, it doesn't make sense to do one without the other is why they're going to do the zoning. I'm not sure if they would want to act if it's not even clear that the... You know, you have to do a warned meeting for a conditional use permit, too. And that's the question will be, is this allowed in town? So it's really, I think the first... This is not... I don't think this has costed you anything to have the town go ahead and have this vote to opt in. That's just the first hurdle to clear to get to this, you know, what your proposal is. And if we... A retail application will take up to 140 days for the state to get to. So it's not like if you say go today, it can be started tomorrow. It's still a four month process after that. It's not like a quick thing. Often, Bethel just opted in the other day, about three days ago. Yep, they probably warned... Yeah, because they warned it and they folded in with their town meetings, which would have been a good time to do this, but that's not when you came. Yeah, so this is... That'd be the... I mean, I guess that's where we're at with it. We can't just do a turbocharged opt-in vote. We have to go through the process of warning it properly and if we're going to have any kind of turnout to have a realistic vote, it seems this is the way to do it. In the meantime, in terms of what is the difference between primary and secondary retail on the zoning front, of course it's all blurred even more by the fact that it's yes, you're growing, so it's like an agricultural product, but the state doesn't consider it an agricultural product. So the definition of secondary retail is you're selling something that is kind of on the side of what your activity is. So you're grooming dogs, so you sell some shampoo on the way out the door, or if you fix lawn mowers, you'll sell them a quart of oil on the way out the door. So if you're growing a product and then to sell it, we're not the ones that make that decision if that's considered secondary or primary retail. It's a fine line there. And I guess in the planning board after the last conversation we had, they're digging into that, you know, to answer that question. If you do that, I guess Deanne was supposed to, it said Deanne wrote down the Mitchell's info from the proposed bylaws about the primary and secondary, and we didn't receive that. If she could send that out so that we could have that as well. Yeah, I can pass that request on to Deanne, yeah. I'd just like to have it all and write this way. If you do it for me, I'm used to dealing with contracts, so I gotta have it in front of me. Yeah, Martha, you have a question? Can't hear you, Martha, you're on mute. I'm sorry, you were talking about Deanne. If you're talking about Deanne McKinley, I didn't know if you guys knew that they're in Florida. He and his wife till the beginning of May. Yeah, yeah, but he, yeah, that's... But you can get in touch with him via email. Okay, I just wanted to let you know that, sorry. Yeah, he's good at working remotely. Because with a state, when you're a grower for the state, you automatically have the right to sell your product wholesale to retailers. And that's what you're allowed to do, which you're allowed to do. You'd be stuck with it all. Right, so you already have that. The right to sell it to the public. Yeah. That's the difference. Yeah, that's the difference. And that's when the town's opting in or out comes into play. Otherwise, the town has got no say over that if you're going in wholesale. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. You have to. Yeah. The town either has to decide whether it wants to have retail filled or not, basically. Yeah. So I move that we start warning that as a secondary ballot along with the school vote at the annual school meeting. I'm surprised it takes so long. Let's do it. Yeah, yeah. It's about time somebody brought this up. Thank you guys. Yeah. Yeah. I don't see what the big deal is. All right. So we'll get the ball rolling on that aspect of things. And I'll touch base with Dan McKinley and see if he's had any clarification on the primary versus secondary retail. What that, what that means. Yeah. I have to hear you through the CCB opt-in vote first. Yes. They have to vote. Yeah. First step. Yeah. Otherwise everything else is just a waste of time. Right. And that'll be nice. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't know we could, so we couldn't work on our retail in the, in the meantime. On the zoning. Um, if there's any. And worst case, it doesn't. I think that's the first time. If it doesn't, and we still have the approval of the town voters, you could opt to operate your retail in a different location. So it would, it would just be a matter of, you could still do what you want to do, but you may not be able to do it out of your home on corporation, but you would be able to come into the village and start a retail outlet. We almost did it over, actually over at this place. So yeah, without, without that first step of the town-wide vote, you can't do it anywhere in town. So. Yeah. So really that sets them. And explaining it. Explain a conditional use to them. Usually conditional uses are granted. Right. With conditions on how, how you use it. They might limit hours that you could retail or any of that, but usually considered if, like the state doesn't have rules for that yet, as far as cannabis, whether it's agriculture or whatever. So, you know, the zoning is likely to rule and, and condition that they operate that way with conditions, like eliminating how much time you can be open, that those types of things. That's what conditional use usually regulates. And it allows the neighbors to have say in, in whether they want to see that, that traffic there or not where you live. So that's what a conditional use is. So it's not, it's not that difficult. It's not that difficult to do. You just got to, it affects your neighbors. So usually conditional uses, they all come in and say what they want to see. And usually the board rules and ways that makes it everybody try to make everybody happy, but usually it just makes everybody ugly. So that's the way. I'm not worried about that. Because I was mostly my whole family. Yeah, I know. But, but that's what usually a conditional use they do. You know, that's how they, what a conditional use is. Yeah. Yeah. I just, I remember Sandy mentioning like in, in Middlebury, that is a college town. That's like comparing little, Rutland to Boston, you know, it's not like it's going to be 50,000 cars and all that kind of stuff. You know, it's, it's, don't get that kind of traffic. You know, Right. You're not going to have a big flash of neon out there by the road. Are you? No. So that might be a condition. I think it would be low. All right, guys. So I think we've answered our questions. Any ideas? You can come up with a help us, just because it's the application. I'm concerned about the application time, you know, because if you guys say go and then we have to wait another three and a half, four months for them to decide, you know, that's, that's going to hurt us because we're, we're going to grow. Well, I don't know if the application, you can, you can move forward with your application. I just don't know if there's a question on the application that says, did your town vote? Yes. So, you know, we're not holding you up from that. If you want to put the card a little bit before the horse, you go ahead and do so. They wait for the. I'm sorry. I cannot hear a word that's being said. They want the town results from the. Yeah. Before they start. Yeah. Unfortunately it can't. Okay. Nevermind. Nevermind. You didn't hear what she said, but it sounds like it's irrelevant what she said. And the application, I think they do, the state does want to see that the town has approved it. So either way, this is, this is the first step that you just took tonight. Right. Okay guys. All right. Yep. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Yeah. Right. More shovels. More shovels. Okay. All right guys. We'll talk to you later. Thanks for your help. Thank you. Party on Garth. Yeah. Yeah. We've got. 17 years of Vermont 100 on 100 relay race. For Saturday, August 12th, between 12 and five. They wanted to. They wrote me another email this morning, asking if there was been a decision. Yeah. They're excited. They're usually very early with this request. Yeah. Yeah. Do they have. They use a spot at town, right? They usually very early with this request. Do they use a spot in town, right? Don't they do like the school? Yeah, they have. I think last year we bounced them off of the park because there was an event conflicting, which ended up not really being a conflict anyway. But whether they do it down at the school park or whatever, it's like a rest stop. I think they're down there. Their email said that it would be in the afternoon. Yeah. Yeah. Two to five. Two to five. So I'd move to give them permission to do that again. I second it. Nancy, you have a question? If they use the school, do they have to get the school permission? I think we did that last year. We told America you needed to get school permission. I think one question we need to ask them, if they're planning on using Rochester town as the park or that, I think that would be wise to do that. Because if they plan on using the school, they have to get permission from the school. And that would be the other thing I would tell them. Yeah. Just tell them that you have approval from the town. So this isn't really a park use application. Basically, they just are alerting us that they want to come through town. This is the side of the road, yeah. Yeah. Martha, I was of course. Martha, you're muted, Martha. Yeah, two things. One to do with this relay race. I remember in the past when they've had this, they've had like a check-in spot down. If I'm remembering, it's the right race. They've had a check-in spot down in the school parking lot. I think that could be what they're talking about, yeah. OK, great. And the other thing is, did we skip over appointments? Because I. Yeah, we're going to do those at the end because we would like getting that one that was waiting. OK, sorry. All right, thank you. Yeah. That way, we can dwell on them a little bit. OK, so we'll give them that approval and alert them that they're thinking of the school parking lot to contact the school for open permission. All right. We also have from Sherman v. Allen at Max Market to a second class liquor license. And a tobacco license. And a tobacco license. I guess we should do them separately. But I'd move to approve the application for a liquor license. Second. All in favor? All right. All right. OK, and what time are we going to be open anyway? Not. And then I'd like to, they have the application for Max Market for the tobacco license. And I've moved to approve that one. I second. All in favor? Yeah, you'd think that with having all these licensees to sell stuff that they'd try and be open. Passwork here. Well, they can't find any help. Is there a signature? They don't record. They can't keep it. They don't have to buy it for them. And we also have, I don't know, through the house. Well, this actually says Maple Soul on it. Oh, shoot. Oh, you're right. Yeah, it says Maple Soul. You know who did the Huntington House, didn't you? I know it's me. No. All right. So what are we doing? So we have a modification on the agenda. It says that Huntington House is applying. But actually, it's Maple Soul, which is applying for a first class restaurant bar license. Which I have moved to approve. Second. And then we also have the same establishment, Maple Soul, asking for an outside consumption permit, I believe, for on the porch, not on the yard. So I have a question. Yeah. Do they have times on there? Times. If you recall how we got into issues with the Huntington House. But this is Maple Soul. It's for Maple Soul. I'm a mistake. It's not the Huntington House. I'm just wondering if you have issues on it. A nighttime curfew? Curfew. Just in general. Just a standard town curfew. Just a standard. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Shut. But you recall the Huntington House went to 2 in the morning. You're right. Marty. They haven't had. It changed in the last two years. Yeah. Haven't had. I haven't, I mean I live across the street from these guys and they usually go to bed before I do. I've noticed they don't stay open super late. I'm sure they wouldn't. So I'd move. It's a little different. Yeah. It is a little different. They don't have the big houses. It's a restaurant. Yeah. All in favor? Aye. All right. OK. Hey, now we're moving on to the long-awaited appointment session of the evening. And so on the bottom of the first page here, we have the assistant town clerk-treasurer and select board clerk as appointments. But are they really, they don't have an expiring term on that either. I think that this is just an arrangement we make with you and hoping that you don't mind being here our select board clerk. We'll do that again. I think we're able to do that. And Christian, you don't mind coming in? No, I don't mind. Thank you. It's a good thing to do it. Yeah, it's a good thing. I know. Thanks for letting me. Yeah. Thank you. All right. And Frank, are you willing to continue on as the road commissioner? Yeah. Yeah, great. Well, if you want it. OK. These guys are hired. And the water commissioners and sewer commissioners, hey, might nominate us. I second that. I'll play with you. There we go. There we go. And it's going in 23. I am been the on-site wastewater officer. I nominate Dune. OK. I guess I'll continue that. Are we supposed to nominate the second and vote for every one of them? I think for appointments, we can. Walk on down the line. Yeah. I guess they end. And Frank is also an on-site wastewater commissioner. He has been in the past. And if you're willing to do that. OK. And on the planning board of adjustment, the retiring, who is actually the head of it too, is Dan McKinley. And I haven't heard him say anything about not wanting to continue there. So I would move to appoint him. And if he doesn't like it, he can come back and come back from Florida and go to a meeting. You should have stayed home from Florida, like other people. He said he was good. It takes him to 27. He said he was going to stay until they get the zoning straightened out. Straightened out. OK. So that was the rules. Once they think it's straightened out, then that's a never-ending thing. Well, no kidding. Then it's time to do it all over again. OK. So does anybody else feel like taking the role of zoning? No, I can do it. Dancy? No. No? OK. Dune does a good job. OK. I'm trying. I'm happy with that. And these are next year. And the next down is so we have the emergency management director, which was Makayla. And Larry and she had stepped down from that. And Larry Pleasant had offered to jump in on that. So I'd moved to appoint Larry Pleasant. And I understand that Makayla is returning to town. She's only gone for the winter. Only gone for the winter. And I think that she would probably be willing to work in tandem with Larry. And I think if there's an emergency, they're more the merrier. Yeah. No question about it. So can we have two people appointed to that? Well, we can keep Makayla as the regional emergency management coordinator. She could be the alternate in your spot. Oh, there you go. I like that. OK. So what we do... Because we're going to be involved anyway as a select board. Yeah. Why don't we move Larry or Makayla down the line? Yeah. Yeah. Marta, you've got a question? Just Makayla's last name I couldn't remember. Richardson. Richardson. Makayla Richardson. OK. Thank you. Thank you. I'm doing our... Did you... Is this where you're going to be reelected as chair of the board, et cetera? Or whatever? Is that an appointment? Reorganization. That's part of the organization. Reorganization. Reorganization. OK. That's the only thing you have to do is... Yeah. What are you really going to do? I nominate Dune as chair of the select board. I second it. Oh, favorite. You got it, buddy. Thank you. You're running out of the polls. All right. OK. Man, this happens fast. No time for that. Holy Christ, you didn't have time to say no. So we have... Do we keep... Do we put Larry in... You want to put Larry in the regional emergency management coordinator instead of Makayla? Because Larry's more... Yeah. Pleasant... Our president. Our president. Makayla's pretty pleasant. Yeah. Makayla's pretty pleasant. I got it mixed up. Sorry. So wait. Where are we putting him? Regional... Regional management. At Larry? Larry and... At Larry. Makayla is going to be the emergency management... Makayla. Makayla's replacing Dune and Larry's replacing Makayla. Yeah. And they're all going to work together. And then... But you said regional, right? Yeah. We got the first two are emergency and then there's the two regional. So the regional emergency management second would be Terry Ceri. And I would move to keep him on there. He's got his finger on the pulse of what's going on. Sounds good to me. Yeah. Let's look at that. Yeah. And we've got the WERVA representative. Oh, wait. Yep, yep. He's... Big. Big Roboto. And I would... Yeah. He's pretty involved. I think you'd probably keep that on. Yep. And then the alternate to that position was Jim Bowen. And then that... Does he do anything? Well... He's an alternate. He's an alternate. So with Vic in charge, I don't think he'd need to. So with Granville First Response... Granville First Response, I'd nominate Pat Harvey. I'd nominate Rob Gardner. Oh, you'd nominate Rob Gardner. You like to talk to him about that? Yeah, Rob. Well, he volunteered. Oh, he volunteered. I thought he volunteered. Oh, all right. So I think Rob would be pretty good. I think he would be. Okay. Yep. All right. Thank you. What was that for Granville I didn't hear that? I'm sorry. Rob Gardner. Yeah. We'll have to inform him. Okay. So the tree wardens have been the select board. So I would say let's continue on. Let's continue on. And let's run that way. All right. In Winter County Sheriff Department, we just did a contract with them. And the constable, we had Dylan Dudley. I think he's willing to continue on. He likes that. I have a name for a second constable. Oh, you do? Who would that be? Dave Harvey. Oh, yeah? All right. He works well with Dylan. I second it. Okay. Nice. So that one said it came up in 2022. So it's good. We're catching up. We brought that up. Two Rivers Transportation Planning Representative. Pat, you were active in that last year, right? Yeah. Yeah. You want to do it again? Sure. Thanks for your time. Yes. We appreciate it. Okay. And that's really helpful. Yes. Planning Representative. And then the Transportation Advisory Commissioner. I saw you at all those meetings. What is that? Commission. I guess. Commissioner. You missed every meeting that you're supposed to be there. But Dylan's got it. I checked it out. Okay. All right. You got it. Thank you. You're in. Jeff Gephart's been doing a great job as our energy representative. So I'll bring him back. Frank is our alter friend. Jeff Gephart is doing a great job as the energy coordinator. So I moved to reappoint him. Thank you, Jeff. If you're still out there. He's still here. He's muted. So he's not fighting. Oh, he just unmuted. No. I'll accept. And I'm going to sign off unless you have anything to bring. We got a couple other appointments we can give you. Thank you, Jeff. Thanks, Jeff. Thanks, Jeff. I'm really glad. My plate is full. Thank you. Yeah. All right. So the White River Alliance Royalton advisory committee. Have we ever had any reports from. The appointee. Anybody. For both of those positions. No. But. They're under new management. No, no. Jim. Never tells us anything either as far as I go. I mean, we never hear from Jim Layton. Jim Bowen. Oh, what? Yeah. But the, the alliance is under new management. In South Royalton. Yeah. And I just said. And Jim Layton is, seems to have a thumb on the pulse of it. So. He's just sent up. Yeah. Maybe we will now. That they've reorganized. So stay tuned. Except this is our appointee. Yeah. That's right. She was asking. She was asking about our appointment. I don't know that there had been any, anything to report except for the fact that they dissolved and reorganized. Right. Right. Check with them. Now it's the recycling coordinator. Yeah. That's for here. Is that for here or for down at Royalton? No. That's for here. Here. And what does the coordinator do? Nothing. Okay. Nothing. But we're required to have one. I'll take it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You talk to the coordinator, Julie. I talk to her a lot. Yes, Martha. Hey. Oh. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. Are you still doing a park person? Because I've been the park person for years. And I'm willing to. We have. Next. Next. I was just. On the next one. Okay. I'm just about to ask. And also if I'm. Well, I'm asking a question. This is related to that. I, it reminded me when I saw the thing on the agenda that you approved earlier about the 100 on 100 relay race. I think it was a set up. I don't think it was a set up. But any time frame is just. Because I remember having to get permission from the, from this life board to do it. No, I don't think so. I mean, it's just your town sponsored event. So I wouldn't think. Yeah. I wouldn't think that's necessary. Yeah. Well, okay. Because I have to get permission from the highway department to use route 100. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So I don't need to worry about that at this point. Okay, great. I'm, I think what you end up doing, Mark, there was the park permit. And that's. Park. And that was. Park use permit. And was that for the. Oh, right. Park use permit. Yes. Because most of the, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know. That applies to me. Yes, because most people speak to him. Was that for her, Or was that for the chicken? Barbecue that came across the street, because it was sponsored by someone else. That was Pierce Hall. Did the chicken barbecue? Were they the one. And so on the recreation committee, we have had Norm, Christensen, Dean Mendel, Martha, Slater, Connie, Kerry McDonald, Joe Shankman, and Walt Pruchma for the tennis. And any of those folks on Zoom that want to say A or NA after that, then I'd move to point all those folks to their positions again. OK, I second that. And Norm involves other people. He does. He does, yeah. Can you go back to the White River Alliance? Did you appoint Jim Bowen? Do we want to chat with Jim and see if he's still willing to do that before we table that one for him? And then we can also let him know that he can stop stressing about being the recycling coordinator. She'll be great. OK, the animal control officer, I think Jeff Brown does. Oh, yeah, he's so good. And I think he's willing to do it. It deserves a proofing. Bad. Yeah. And I think, oh, I can do that. We can get him a badge. And tell him to the councilman. Do you think Tim Crowley is willing to stay the representative for the Tri Valley Transit? Do we know whether he attended any meetings? Don't, haven't heard anything from him. We can probably talk to him. Two or three years. Let's talk to him. I think he does, though. They were here yesterday at Hey Neighbor. Tri Valley. Tri Valley, yeah. That was pretty well attended, though. It was. It was a good event. OK. Angus on the E-911. E-911 maintenance. Angus, I think that he has stepped down from his position with the state doing that. But I don't think that means he can't continue. Doing our updates, because he's familiar with it. So I don't stick it with Angus again. And then we have the Budget and Finance Committee, which has been made up of Lois Bond and Robert Mayer and Nancy Woolley and Barb Hart, Greg White, and the select board members. It's a good group. It's a good group. And we do good work. So I'd move to affirm all of those guys. Well, let me just ask another question. Robert attended one meeting. Would it be advisable to get someone who was going to be attending more than one meeting? Is there somebody that's stepping up? I don't know. I'm just asking a question. I think it would be advisable if we could find somebody that wants to participate that's going to be there. We could possibly find somebody. I don't know who, but it would be a good thing to at least have more eyes on the budget when we're doing that process and get more people involved than if I think that's important, if they're willing to be involved. Right. But we could just table that for the moment. See if we can. All right. If we can come up with someone. And maybe talk with Robert, see if he really wants to be involved or not, since he only came to one. Right. He is running for select board. I mean, school board. And the website administrator Norm Christiansen is pretty solid in that. And I would assume he'd be willing to do that. Thank you, Norm, if you're out there watching. And the Capital Planning Committee, which is kind of an echo of the Budget and Planning Committee, which again, we had Greg White and Lois Bond and Barb DeHart and Julie Smith, Nancy Woolley, Christian LaPell, and the select board members. And there's no reason we couldn't add someone to that committee if someone shows up with a hazard. We anticipate getting going. Yeah. So I'd like to reappoint all those folks. Well, all us folks to finish that capital plan. We made some progress. Yeah. So the EC-Fiber representative was John White. Is that how much do we? I know when EC-Fiber was getting started, they were really hot to have representatives from the town. Is that that'd be a question to ask? I just had somebody that needed to contact the RUP to have a conversation with them. So that was just last week, hoping for the RUP, yeah, for our RUP, for Rochester's RUP. All right, so then I'd just keep John White in there. Thank you, John. Hope you're feeling better. He's hobbling. And then for Green Update Coordinator, we had Nick Picuto, who's in that. He is doing a good job. He is, so I'd really appreciate it. I don't know. He's even around very much. Yeah, he's like a Green Update. I think there'll be some requested changes with that. Anyway, I think the request is going to be to get a couple of dumpsters and not put the town trucks up there. Because they asked them to sort stuff as it came in, and it didn't happen. And then they were having to go. The town guys are having to go through that. So I think if we do this in the future, we'll have dumpsters instead of, they'll have to schedule a dumpster instead of the town trucks, because they don't sort the damn stuff when it comes in. And they were asked to do that, and they didn't sort. So note the budget in the future. So who would pay for the dumpsters? Well, Greene up. So the $50 Greene Up budget. I'm just not sure how much Nick is around here. He's working out of state a lot. Well, we can look for another Greene Up coordinator. We can probably at least talk to him. Talk to him in that ass. Yeah, let's do that. OK, official newspaper. Martha, do you think it's a good idea to re-establish the Herald of Randolph as the official town newspaper? Well, I certainly do. OK, just checking. All right, let's do that. Your attendance to our meeting. Thank you for helping to keep me employed. I appreciate it. Your attendance to our meetings is impeccable. Yeah, that's good. All right, I think that I missed anything there. I don't think so. I think we got through it pretty well. All right, that's good. Library, we already talked about the library quite a bit today, so I think that in there gone, so that's covered. Jeanette's still on, but she's still on mute, so. OK, do you have anything else you want to say about the library, Jeanette? No, she's getting cookies. She's good. And highway guys are probably tapping and getting ready for tomorrow. They got a flour issue. And insurance is not going to be what they were hoping. Yeah, 1,000 bucks. Yeah, so that's going to be an expense. But we do have a backup file. Yes, we did. That's a good, we kept that. Yeah, yeah, OK. And Terry is not around to talk about utilities. Jeff, are you still on talking about energy coordination, or did you have enough? We skipped out. You skipped out, all right. Any grant updates? I just have two quick ones. The FY24 structures grant for the Halbrook Culvert construction was submitted on February 28th. And I've got a couple of papers for DOOM to sign. I think they're in the purple folder. For the final reimbursement request on the Halbrook Culvert design, the reimbursement amount is 3,500. So there's two separate forms I need signatures on. And that's it. We have to sit down at some point with John to go over the Class 2 grant before April, before an April. Rita's on that too, right? Yeah, we can get Rita signed in on that too. We can go forward with that. And also, for the bridge, talking with Chris Bump, we can apply for another 25,000 for their 175. But we'll have to do that in July, because it's going to be associated with fiscal year 24 and not 23, 24. It's not, and they don't have any money right now. So they won't get it until the new fiscal year starts. And you and I sat down, and the governor had made an announcement about highway and bridge grant amounts. And Brian wrote back to me and said that we can apply for another state grant to go with the flat. To go with the flat? For the West Hill Bridge. For the West Hill Bridge. Even though we're going to start to work early, the work will be done by the time that will be eligible. But before we bond it. Yeah, I was told that we couldn't, but that's OK. Let's move in positively. Well, that was what Brian's thoughts were. Maybe once we go in and ask, we could see what the guidelines and what the application looks like. Yeah, we'll look for funding wherever we can for that. That's all we'll have to do. I mean, I don't see any other way in doing it. You know, we have to do the best we can with that. Anybody from public comments? Nancy? Zoom? No. Arka? No. Oh. Yes, please. Hey, do you have to go tomorrow? We went today. Oh, you did today? Oh, OK. I knew I thought it was tomorrow. Did you leave something in my refrigerator? No, I did not. Dude, we want to adjourn this meeting. Oh, yeah. I was going to move to approval, and then we're going to move to exit the meeting and enter executive session. Sorry. OK.