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So you know so we can Yeah, I mean it's it's hard to to It's definitely got the potential for abuse Yeah, I mean if you want to tell history you're gonna be pissing people off no matter what you do no matter What you're talking about no matter which subject it is because there's always someone making money off the subject, you know Yeah, oh, yeah, there's people that are make there's people that like What is it the more mystery less history? Yes, yes That's like relationship advice, but I guess it comes into play with cannabis, you know it does it does I was thinking like even in UFOs dude People go fucking nuts on each other when they don't necessarily believe the same exact, you know thing and They report each other and they get real nasty and like docks each other and swat each other Yeah, I mean everybody likes science until it challenges their assumptions. Yeah, there you go I mean and it you know and it's rare that Science is going to back you up on everything that you believe. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Oh, wow wait We do have 80 people in here. So that's a plus. It is like this account being much smaller It's it's looks like it's popping up. So and it's only been a couple of minutes. So hopefully more people pop on and What not and I guess if we're interesting enough, we'll have a podcast on it or something too, maybe so we'll see We'll see how it goes. We'll see how it goes All right, is there anything you wanted to touch on early on? Well, I mean we kind of like We were kind of gonna have a grab bag of things to chat about today We were gonna talk a little bit Since it kind of ties into what you and CSI have going on We were gonna kind of touch on a little bit of Hawaiian history and what Hawaiian means in general in terms of cannabis, you know, yeah And you know and then we were gonna then there was something that kind of irritated both of us about Turpines and some other stuff that we were gonna bullshit about that's right. I printed this out too. So so we can you know, so yeah, you know so not too bad so Maybe what we can do we got 91 people in climbing. So that's pretty positive. Yeah So maybe what we can do is we'll we'll we'll keep off the the semi controversial stuff for a little bit And we'll start on we'll start on the on Hawaiian, right? What is it to be Hawaiian? So so Hawaiian is interesting Hawaii is a trippy place because I believe it's the farthest islands from a continent in The world. Yeah, right of one of the seven continents, it's the farthest it's the farthest thing and so There are no there's not much on Hawaii. That's native Yeah, of any kind anything. Most things are non native to Hawaii because it's essentially a volcanic island chain in the middle of nowhere, right? But one of the interesting things about Hawaii Hawaii is that Hawaii I believe is the only American state that's actually in the tropics. Oh Yeah, that would make sense. So like even even if you go down to like say Florida like the very southern tip of Florida or the Florida Keys for instance. Yeah, those are still considered the sub tropics Yes, not actual tropics. Yeah, right. What about what about Guam? You know Guam is an estate That's that's true. Yeah, it's a territory territory and I will admit that I'm not familiar with all of America's Territories and where they may or may not be located Yeah, I only know that Guam people are called Chamorran That's I learned that because I had a friend that was from Guam and I said he was Guamanian He got real pissed but but I'll say this like from the perspective that we're speaking of if You're doing something in the United States in the 50 United States. You don't go through customs the same way as if you're outside of it Yeah, so You know, we've got this, you know, I don't have it But they they're doing some, you know Hawaiian lights and I have a pretty old strain from Hawaii and so We thought we'd chat about what that meant So there is no wheat unlike most of what we talk about where Mexican or Colombian or Panamanian or Thai or African or any of this shit. There really is no record of marijuana in Hawaii Much before, you know, the 60s or something. Yeah, you know So there's not like there wasn't really any indigenous cultures cultivating it there. Yeah, right? and So there's an aspect where You know, it's rumored and they certainly were involved that the brotherhood of eternal love Yeah, that was one of the locations that they used to grow cannabis Before helicopters flew and So as a result of that a lot of the common strains back then Mexican, Colombian that kind of thing could be grown successfully out there. Yeah, even today in Hawaii Most people if they want to grow in Hawaii, they veg Indoors or in greenhouses with artificial lighting because it's it's basically so close to 1212 there all the time That anything that we normally grow in our in our stuff unless it's some kind of pure equatorial sativa would flower immediately upon going outside Oh, wow. I didn't know that. Yeah. I mean, it's it's it's you know I mean, that's part of the reason why equatorials take so long Yeah, is they don't have any like wintertime pressure where they have to create seed before they die Yeah, it's always kind of warm and nice and there's not you know You take Afghanistan or Hindu Kush or something like that where there's a pretty good amount of difference between daytime and nighttime Versus summer and winter and in the equatorial regions. There's not a big difference. Yeah, it might be a couple of hours Yeah, right and so you might be 1212 or you might be 13 and 11 or you might be 11 and 13 But you don't really very much beyond that little aspect Yeah So Hawaiian Hawaiian basically is a catch-all term for anything Yeah, right. Yeah, and what apparently what used to be grown out there was some combination of Colombians Mexicans ties and And then some of that stuff was mixed with afghans Yeah, for structure and weight and this and that you know and and all that type of stuff so You know when when for instance like they were talking about, you know The the stuff that Seattle Greg and those guys were getting in the 70s or 80s that they were mixing with their afghans They were getting Hawaiian Yeah But you know that was probably some combination of Colombian Thai Mexican Blended together and or maybe mixed with afghan Yeah is kind of is kind of that you know and so Hawaii used to be a pretty bomb place to grow cannabis And then the problem became is when the helicopters started flying in the early 80s and stuff There's not very much landmass in Hawaii. Yeah, so it's not it It's not like Northern California or other areas where they just have this vast area to search through. Yeah There's you know volcanic areas that it's really easy to see if there's a weed growing There's yeah jungle areas that are unsuitable. There's only so many You know human area human habitation areas and so the area they have to cover is pretty small Yeah, it wouldn't be too hard to just fly up a little bit and see so there was a big boom in the 60s and 70s of people growing out there and then as soon as The helicopters started flying a lot of people got a lot, you know, Hawaii kind of ceased being an export On any major level, I'm not saying that it wasn't some of it still didn't exist But a lot of it moved into greenhouses and moved on to the edge of jungles It became really difficult to get off off any kind of large scale stuff. Yeah, because the islands are so small so When Matt did his interview with with Greg, I think was the very first breeder syndicate interview You know He talked about he thought that the Hawaiian that they were using it in L5 was some blend of Mexican and Columbia Yeah Was his was his yeah was his take on it. Yeah, that was his take some kind of Mexican Colombian which would have been pretty common because that would have been two of the main imports Seated weed imports that were coming into America at the time. Yeah, all right and you know and so I have a small tie to to Hawaiian not that I live there or anything like that because I never did but one of the strains that I still have is we call it the Maui and Of all places I met a guy from Maui in the in 94 in Amsterdam Who had come out there to trade seeds with some of the breeders out there? And we shared a joint and stuff like that and I was with some friends and he gave us a small handful of seeds and One of them became the mountain so they have truck stops in Hawaii is what you're saying. So I'm in Amsterdam. I mean, so they I mean, they have a whole district District, you know, they don't even have they don't even call it. They just they just it's very much more open there. So And so being 19 or whatever the fuck I was I asked zero intelligent questions of this man I thought he was a super old-timer, which he was probably about my age. He was probably 40s But I'm 19 year old. Yeah, he seemed a grizzled veteran. Yeah, I'm sure you know and that trip I spent thousands of dollars on seeds And the only thing that I ended up keeping was this female from a handful of seeds that he gave me when we shared a joint Wow Is pretty much stuff out of all the Dutch that that particular trip Which was was one it was my it was actually my first trip to Amsterdam, believe it or not in 94 That particular trip I Didn't find anything that was a keeper amongst the stuff that I bought initially. Do you remember what you bought? I bought all kinds of shit. Yeah, I bought an elf. I I went to Sensi In 94 and I bought an L5 haze. I bought an L5 skunk one I bought Super skunk. Yeah From them You know, I bought some You know, I I I think I bought some bubblegum that year. Yeah, I bought I bought a random I bought some stuff from maybe Dutch passion. Anyway, I was stupid And instead of buying well, I was 19, right? So instead of like three or four things and buying like, you know, 50 seeds of each thing Yeah, I bought like 15 or 18 things and like one or two packs of each Yeah, right So then you like crack a pack and it's 10 seeds and you get four females and you don't like any of them Yeah, and I was that wasn't at the era. I was so young man That wasn't at the era where we were like keeping males or breeding or anything like that, right? So the other thing too is I got that Mali and we tossed all the males because they were fucking useless Right, what are we gonna do with those? You know But but so Hawaiian Hawaiian is definitely, you know in that it's kind of it's in the lexicon, right? Mm-hmm, and you know, someone just said oh Maui Maui Maui Maui was is kind of like Matt Natanuska Thunderfuck or this or that or whatever. It's a catch-all term It wasn't it was originally Made by a guy named fast Eddie from the Brotherhood of Eternal Love So there really was a Maui Maui at one time. I'm like Matt Natanuska Thunderfuck We can't trace it to one person but that one we can but what has become Maui Maui? I think most of what we see is Maui Maui are mostly Afghan dominant types. Yeah, and they You know they used to they used to ship Some of that stuff in macadamia nuts. Oh, wow. They did they used to ship it to the states They used to hide it in the center of macadamia nut tins. Yeah, that's funny and stuff like that and so You know Hawaiian was sort of a was sort of a catch-all phrase There is no indigenous Hawaiian. Yeah, right? It was all basically entrepreneurs bringing other indigenous weed to Hawaii and trying to figure out how to get worthwhile buds Yeah, it's basically what it boiled down to and You know what's interesting about like the the Hawaiian that I have them what we call them The only reason why we call it the Maui is because I was dominant and ask any fucking questions. So The only thing that we knew was the dude was from Maui. Yeah I but that's it right met fast Eddie. I doubt you met you met fast Eddie Because the fast Eddie that you probably met was a very famous dude from dead tour Who is part of the wrecking crew? Maybe you met fast Eddie from the brotherhood of eternal love, but But yeah, I've never been able to get a hold of them I've tried a lot but the fact the fast Eddie that most people are familiar with is from the wrecking crew He was he was a pretty famous Person on he was yeah that guy. It was it was a pretty famous dude on dead lot if you went to dead tour on any level You probably heard him be like does he had the deepest voice does he would scream at little kids and stuff? And they were all drunk and they were just a mess, but anyway So There's an aspect where You know, so that's Hawaiian Hawaiian is anything that got brought to Hawaii and Got grown there Yeah, basically, right? Yeah, and then it just gets the name Hawaiian and just like a lot of what we've talked about this before But just like a lot of stuff where it obscures like we give nicknames to things and it obscures the origin of where it came from Yeah, that's what Hawaiian did, you know Seattle gray dot Hawaiian, which isn't very helpful Did he get pure Mexican pure Colombian a blend a blend with Afghan? He didn't know yeah They could tell was Mexican-Columbian because that was the best you could tell was Mexican-Columbian, you know, and so you know and So that's what got blended in and back then Especially, you know, nobody knew that all this stuff was gonna be famous and lineage and all that was gonna get poured over and be super important Right. Yeah, and notes were a bad thing. So it is like saying. Oh, I got the Californian Yeah, there was a California indica that made it around the answer. I got I got the Californian You know, it's about it like gives you an idea of where the area was from, right? And so You know, what's interesting is that being that I'm not from Hawaii and I don't really have any ties there I do have we I do have some good friends that grew up on the island on various islands and grown there their whole life Yeah, and when I showed them pictures and flowers of My Maui cut they did say that there was that wasn't that uncommon of a phenotype that they had seen in the past in Hawaiian that they had grown from the past Yeah, you know So Hawaii is sort of like a catch-all from people get stuff You know, I mean like it like there was even a thing we were talking about a couple episodes ago during the chem dog episode where There's a Maui dog Yeah, why is it called Maui dog because someone got a supposedly a dogbud seed and took it to Maui Yeah opted on Maui and now it's Maui dog. You know, so the interesting thing there's some pictures of Maui on my page It's really interesting. It's huge. It's chunky It's pretty short. It's got a bunch of Afghan influence, but if you look at it, the leaves are incredibly skinny and double serrated. Yeah Yeah, that's where It's my audio kicking out. Oh It's just on my back off from your video Kind of I mean we can hear you, but it's just off from your speaking You look like you're in a kung fu movie. I look like I'm in a kung fu. Is it better now? No, but it'll work. It'll work. So sorry that sorry that it's ad-libbed or whatever like I'm dubbed Hopefully that changes but But yeah, so my Maui is you know CSI is always looking to Do things that match right and so in addition to my headband You know, I've shared a bunch of stuff with him in the hopes that he would breed it and it would get out to a wider audience a bit and One of the things that's gonna get dropped with Matt and CSI is My Maui by the Hawaiian lights. I think it's I don't know if that one or Maui by NL5 It might be just be it might be Maui by NL5. But anyway, he used it so You know and so there's an aspect too where it's like You know, it's it's been out there before there's a cut from Mandelbrot called the truth Which is Maui by Superdog that I made 20 plus years ago or something like that So it's percolated around and it's kind of been a Mendo. It's been a Mendocino County classic Because it's probably not now with the way the market is but for a long time It was one of those cuts that you could put outside Reliably get four or five pounds off it and it would be done in the middle of October. Yeah You know decent that's very decent and it's pretty I remember I've never seen pictures of it I've never I don't think I've ever smoked Maui, but I've never seen pictures of it and thinking it was absolutely Gorgeous especially for an outdoor plan. Yeah, and it turns purple in the cold Yeah, and stuff like that and it's it's obviously some kind of sativa Afghan blend because if you look at the bugs and the density And how quick it finishes it's got a heavy afghan, you know, but its leaves are like that's I mean It's like super skinny leaves. They don't even fatten really. They're just like consistently skinny the whole way down And they've got a bunch of double serrations Which what should smell like? You know it smells kind of it smell I mean, it's one of those ones where when I asked the oh god, let's not do that yet. So I'll get all irritated It it's one of those ones where I've asked tremors for years and years what it smells like. Yeah And I you get ranges from my favorite is You know wriggly wriggly fruity gum That's a good smell, you know, it's got a super distinctive smell And I will say jokingly that it's I joked that it's like my longest female relationship Because we popped that seed in 1994. Yeah, and I still have it so she's 28 years this year 28 yeah fucking old, you know, it's really old. It's fucking old and so I've had her literally She was the next to the crystal chunk She was the second weed that I ever really started religiously cropping Yeah, and if you're in Indiana or Chicago or Illinois area, and you ever smoke the Maui, it's very likely It's the same cut Because that's where we cropped at first and a bunch of friends Grew it out there and probably still grow it here in there You know, yeah, it's not elite by today's standards in terms of like the high But it's probably it's got a good high But it's it's not up there with the best of the best in my opinion, you know But yeah, it's got in a bunch of amazing qualities and it it's You know, it breeds really well for for color and frost and structure and all that type of stuff It's really consistent and it'll probably be another show, but it is blended in this very famous stuff You know that we won't dive into But all I know is all I know is Where it's from yeah, that's the that's how it goes it was from an old dude on Maui They've been growing there for a long time and he basically said he grew things and acclimated on there And he came over to Amsterdam to trade seeds with friends Yeah, and he would bring stuff back and mix it into his lines and Da da da da da da da and so he said it was an Afghan that finished quick and yielded well and was rock resistant and you could see the You know, you could see the the sativa in it and so I have pretty high hopes That CSI will blend it into a few different things Because it's such a stable breeder and the other part about it that I really like is that when anytime you get anything That's that old It's lineage ties to something completely different than what's a mishmash of today Yeah, that's true anything from the mid 90s Doesn't really have any of the most famous 40 or 50 cuts that we usually talk about that's in it. Yeah So a lot of times when you're breeding you get the best results when you start breeding things that are kind of unlike each other and not too related So it's not related to Cam or Kush or this or that or da da da da da da, you know And so it hasn't been overused and overblended You know and so there's Matt sent me a thing this morning about all the I'm sorry I started reading stuff and got distracted, but you know, we could one day do I we have some good friends that probably Would be a lot better experts on like Hawaiian growing culture and famous strains and stuff like that I don't really feel it's like my place to like lead a kind of discussion like that. It's not an area where my knowledge goes Hella deep. Yeah, I couldn't talk on Molokai frost like people are asking or a quiet electric I couldn't talk on any of that confidence. Yeah, I mean, you know, I've heard plenty of stories second hand I've had you know, I know a bunch of growers from over there and stuff like that over the years You know, but you know that we could do a whole episode Where people could ask questions? You know, but I we did think it was worth mentioning We did think it was cool to talk about because Hawaiian is sort of getting like brought back in because of this interest in the nl and nl5 and what Greg was doing and and You know, maybe maybe there's an aspect of like talking about what Hawaiian was. Yeah. Yeah was beneficial So, you know Hawaiian is is sort of and like what Hawaiian was Isn't what Hawaiian is That's correct. Yeah, because what Hawaiian was back then might have been a mix of Colombian and Mexican and some Afghans and stuff that the brotherhood of eternal love was doing. Yeah, but Hawaii now It's just another place that clones get sent. Yeah, right So it's got cherry pie and it's got skunks and it's got this and it's got Kems and da da da da and you know, so on and so and what? Yeah, it is a cool place in the sense that there's you know, it's super humid there and It's a totally different environment and so you have to find things that do well in that right environment Yeah, you know what? I that would be a good idea. Maybe we can have Paco Lolo in Paradise on and yeah That's why I didn't want to talk about it We have some resources and some friends that would be far more educated Because that's their neck of the woods. Yeah to talk about that kind of stuff than we would be I just wanted to bring it up in the sense that we've been getting a bunch of questions about Hawaiian and Hawaiian lights and a lot of what's what's your Maui and stuff like that and You know, Maui is one of those ones where I even lost it sadly for a number of years due to some unfortunate circumstances But because it was a classic grown by old-timers around my area in Mendo It it it lived. Yeah, because like I said, you know, there was you know In in an era where like weed was weed to some degree You know a four to six pound reliable plant that was done in the middle of October was pretty beneficial. Yeah So it was kind of one of those things I brought I brought it out in 98 or whatever. Yeah and started spreading it around and it's kind of percolated around our area off and on since then And it's still around there. Yeah. Yeah, I mean I still have it. I live here There's a few friends that have it. It's certainly probably under pressure with how few strains sell currently You know and how rough the market has become and how how low the market has become recently But it definitely still exists I gave it to like I said, I gave it to CSI To breed with mm-hmm, you know and Preserve help preserve, you know, it's always it's always risky When you're trying to save things you have to find people that have an interest in stuff that we're willing to hold on to it. Yeah Right because there could be a fire there could be an accident there could be a bust there could be any number of different things People are talking about what's aloha white widow. I don't know much about Except for Amsterdam except for it was white widow from Amsterdam popped on in Hawaii No, I'll see it was from Amsterdam It was from Amsterdam. Yeah, they were a Dutch company and They they made it and they just called it aloha white widow. So everybody assumed it was, you know, a Hawaiian white widow See there you go. I even assumed. Yeah. Yeah, I just assumed that it was it was another one of those things where you're in You know, you're in it's it was just one of those things where it's like, oh, it's from Hawaii Let's add Hawaii. I actually called aloha seed bake in Amsterdam God when I first heard about the strength because I wanted to see if I could still get the source it at the time Yeah, they wouldn't even talk about what was in it or any of that But yeah, it was it was there their seed line They weren't just they just weren't interested in selling it anymore So it's sort of one of those things where Soma decided to call a line New York City diesel exactly and it's not sour diesel but Diesel because it was the first, you know, yeah So who knows who knows I was mistaken right there. I didn't actually know its back history. I've never personally grown it, you know So so I think probably like 99% of people had no clue that it was aloha seeds Amsterdam It's just it's just how it's always gone. Everybody was at the aloha widow Of course, it would be and that's that's one of the things that Matt and I always talk about where it's like You can make misleading statements and not outright lie Mm-hmm, and then people will just assume Yeah, like exactly. Oh, these genetics are authentic By the way, I I was super stoked a long time ago I made a joke about how you could rename blueberry or blue dream and call it blueberry fucking yum-yum And someone would probably buy it. I just today saw a strain called blueberry yum-yum taken off Damn hot damn called it. Oh, somebody's talking about NC GA Rock 10% rock, you know, so yeah I mean there's the the the the name game and then creating assumptions based on that. Yeah, you know I mean 20 years ago if something was was named after some kind of smell or aroma or whatever It probably had some kind of distinctive Remembrance of that. Yeah, now it's it has no connection to it You know, is it a ludicrous song? I call I pull blueberry yum-yum out my ass, but goddamn It's hard being original. I wouldn't have known that it's very hard being original. So, yeah I mean there's there's aspects where You know Hawaiian You know, it's probably going to remain a mystery and when anytime anytime you have like a mystery Right, that's hard to be proven. You're going to get people that are going to claim that they have knowledge Yeah, they have facts behind the rumor and it's like, oh, well, you might not have had the Hawaiian that went to Greg, but we did. Yeah, that was my uncle. Yeah That was my dad that was my uncle that was my that was my dad's best friend That was my you know my aunts, you know my my aunts boyfriend Whoever, you know because you can't really refute it and that's really popular in cannabis It is Being able to not refute things Well, I mean you saw just just in this episode just in this 20 minutes or whatever that we've been live you saw one person come in here Ask for an opinion because they weren't sure and then flip out because it was counter to what they wanted to hear That part I'm not very good at patting my head and rubbing my stomach So I ignore a lot of the comments not because they're not valuable, but because I have a hard time like Bullshitting and reading at the same time. Yeah, you know my brain My brain was in here repeatedly asking about someone non-stop and then asked about someone that referred him to that person Someone from Virginia that dude, so I was just like dude stop Yeah, I mean I don't know there's and there's aspects to where it's like Sometimes people make a really good assumption that like this is old enough and this is mysterious enough that it'll never be outed Oh, yeah, yeah, I think most of them that do it think that think that it's old enough And it's in the past enough and it's I mean we even saw it when I won't even mention their name But we did this that we outed somebody a few years ago That consistently had he was a younger cat and he consistently had strains that were from one to two years before they were ever released Yeah, and you could just tell that they were just hunting on the forums for early info Yeah, and then they figured they'd they'd ratchet it back for a week a year or two And then they didn't realize that there was people that were actually alive and in cannabis then yeah, you know Yeah, he didn't even that dude didn't even go look at the catalogs to see if he could get the you're right He's just like fuck it We won't even talk about that but when I first saw him on Instagram I thought that dude was like in his fifties He would have had to have been and then I figured and then I figured out he was like 27 And I was like what in the fuck, you know, you know, yeah So, you know, and yeah, there's a thing. I mean there's multiple people that that have claimed You know that have claimed connection to various seed banks or various people or various this or that and you know One of the cool things about the internet is that it's linked a bunch of us Yeah, and so you get a chance to you know, you get a chance to ask those people Mm-hmm, and then they're like hell no. Yeah You know and You know and so, you know, there's yeah, it's got a someone picked it up skunk 18 Uncle Festers skunk 18 nature fraud I noticed someone mentioned about the seeds being federally legal and I at first I was like what first That's from a source like a single source, and I'm not 100% sure on what they posted but if if Cannabis seeds were to be classified as hemp seeds. You still need a hemp license You need a seed distribution license, and you'd only be distributing in your state So no, I think you send it I think you can send it out of state But I think the issue is is that you can't just be like I'm gonna send my buddy in Florida a bunch of seeds and write Hemp and we're good. No you have to have there has to be legitimate companies in both states Because Registered in the state of California as a California hemp seed company. Yes, and you'd have to send it to a registered I use how it works you'd have to be in the market for them to buy this evening because hemp is hemp was put in the farm bill Yeah, so it's it's legal in all 50 states. Yes, it's not a state It's not a state-by-state thing and there's even there's even hemp transports where you can transport legal hemp Clones from one state to another interesting, but you Still to this day after working at the hemp farm I know that they cannot buy anything not licensed to be sold in California by a hemp register Sure, that might be a different so yes, technically it's legal, but there's but it's still like you have to have two hemp businesses Yes, it has to be a legitimate sale between hemp businesses. It's not like I'm gonna send a bunch of hemp seeds legally We haven't gotten to the point where it's like tomato seeds or something like that Where it's just like enthusiasts can just trade whatever the fuck they want. Yeah I mean, I just ran through this and experienced it with the California hemp laws and like Register trying to register to be a breeder of hemp and stuff like you have to do go through so many fucking hoops Maybe that's just California too, but you have to go through so many hoops to be able to grow hemp in California for sure Yeah, I mean I'm sure I'm sure state state-by-state. They can put their own regulations on yeah But I don't believe that any state can make hemp illegal because it's a federally federally legal in the farm bill It's just it's not illegal, but it's heavily regulated And I think what happened is is that all these people in all these different states jumped into hemp and there wasn't a pipeline For that much CBD or CBG or hemp products yet Yeah, and people are saying that Like Costco doesn't have a license. No, but they're selling hemp that's been treated with heat That's a whole another different kind of license everything else once it's been treated with heat It's unviable so of course they can sell that Yeah, I mean that's that's been around forever, but yes it has So I don't know I mean there's a but yeah, there's there's been I mean that's one of the one of the reoccurring frogs Yeah cannabis is just like you know since new people are in every five or ten years You can recycle the same garbage over and over again You know sure and then people get all mad and they start coming on and defending themselves And then the people that told the lie first they start to change aspects of it because they realize they've been outed You know and they have to shift what it is, you know And it's just one of those it's just one of those areas. That's like right for bullshit. Yeah, you know And so maybe maybe I should maybe I should do like I never do a plug on here But maybe I should do like a plug right? Yeah, so Anytime you see like quote-unquote my headband cut or like when I just talked about the Maui or anything like that like My entire intention for spreading genetics is for people to have good weed. Yeah, so You know I I don't I Don't I'm not making anything off of Off of off these things. I'm not profiting in any way I'm not trying to jump into the seed game. I've had a bunch of friends trying me to trying to get me to One of them is on is your is on your screen right now But I've resisted, you know, and it's nothing it's nothing against people that make seed for money or anything like that Because obviously I have a bunch of friends that do so but like part of passing out, you know clones and stuff like that to good friends and especially CSI is That he's got enough of a Matt and CSI and others have enough of a customer base that you can get good stuff out there That's different. Yeah, and one of the ways that like, you know, I've said it before but Probably the person that probably the person that did the biggest Guarantee that my Mendo perps will never disappear from the community is Caleb. Yeah, because he fell in love with it and he He crossed it to a shit ton of different things and enough people bought that that even if the mom was to terribly get lost Her children and grandchildren are freaking everywhere. Yeah, and so that's really if you want to talk about legacy with seeds Or anything else, you know anytime anything gets popular like all of a sudden, you know Caleb releases Some LA some chem D and and LA and some and some TK and LA, right? That he reversed and people are finding amazing things in it And now for the first time ever all the sudden you start to see clone sellers popping up with the cup you know and you start to see freaking and you start to see You know people popping up with with, you know crosses that have it, you know And all that different types of shit and so, you know, it's just one of the things that goes along with popularity Yeah, you could probably go back six months and before our year before I started talking about it and nobody has it Yeah, nobody was ever talking about the LA Kush headband before We started talking about it. So nobody was mentioning it. Nobody was mentioning it I mean not that it hadn't existed before not that it's not exist with Mandelbrot seeds 15 years ago or something like that, but in the last five or six years. It was it was nowhere. Yeah, right? And so and now all of a sudden and really it only got my name. I didn't even want it to have my name People were just trying to differentiate like how what to call what headband? Yeah, and so they attached it to it So it's like people always assume that I'm getting some royalty or I'm getting some kind of You know aspect or I'm getting cuts or you know payback or whatever Or they're assuming also sometimes that you verified said cut. Yeah, but I verified it and that's why it has it And so, you know, there's an aspect to it where it's like the only reason why I passed it out to a few good friends It's just this hopefully have people that get weed that I like a whole bunch Yeah, and get that into some hybrids That's really it just so everybody knows, you know, so if you start seeing, you know People pop up on clone traders and this and that and everything else It's not like I'm the only person on earth that has it but it's very very small circle and it's most likely a scam Yeah, at this point, you know, if it becomes incredibly popular like everything else It'll probably leak and there'll be some, you know, but I mean, it's really just oh somebody somebody's finding a bunch of fire I have that. Yeah, you want it? I'd 400 bucks. Oh I'm breeding with that. I got seeds of it already. I Got that. Yep. And that's the seed name game You know the name game and that's it's as far back as like as people in Amsterdam not wanting to give out lineage Just so their competitors would all copy that lineage instantaneously. Yeah So, you know, just for clarification on that like it it's not and there's nothing wrong with selling seeds or this or that or whatever else But it's like my entire breeding is like not been that's not been I bred for because I like to lead Yeah You know And I think it makes some people mad that they can't attack me for fucking them over like or breeding her me shit or this or that Or whatever, you know, and and really when it comes down to it, too It's like, you know a bunch of our friends have been talking to talking about it And it's like if this seed crash leads to a financial crash for a bunch of people It might go back to a small handful of enthusiasts making seeds and it will be I Really think it will be yeah because 95% of the people as you know I've gotten into seed breeding in the last five or six years With the intention that it could be another revenue stream and it could get their name out there and it could get this and that and Part of the reason why so much stuff today comes from so few breeders from 20 years ago is because nobody bothered to breed Yeah, it wasn't all that common Yeah, because it was there wasn't money in it. Yeah, there wasn't a lot of money in it People think there's a lot of money in it now, but if there's only a few people making a lot of money Yeah, there's only a few people and there's and you know And so there was a minute there an IG where people could sell seeds and make their own private Hybrids and like sell them to their followers and all that and that seems to be collapsing a little bit right now Yeah, so we'll see in two or three years How many of those people really love making seeds and care about breeding and which ones? It was just another avenue. Yeah for revenue I'm not there's anything wrong with revenue, you know, yeah, nothing wrong I I have seen a massive the one thing I mean whether people hate me or like me I haven't gone away and I've seen a massive overturn since I've gotten here and I'm I'm expecting a Supermassive overturn because I mean just in the past five years You know thousands of people making seeds trying to sell that this popped up and that's gonna get a lot harder That's the problem too is that since most people started recently You know, they're grabbing what they have Available to them. That's recent So all this breeding is like all the same five or six, you know five or six years of the most recent most famous stuff Yeah, and I I don't think that you're going to find anything magically different Crossing cherry pie and kush No, I think that people have tried that Over and over and over and over and over and over ad nauseam and you know, and you're probably not gonna find anything new using kushmits No, and I'm not even dissing those strains. Don't get me wrong. I'm not I'm just saying nothing unique to today It's gonna seem unique from it You know, yeah, I mean there was there's a guy commenting There was a bunch of people that had the surprising thing about about the head my headband cut It's not that it's mine or whatever because it's I didn't make it or anything, but that Most people won't hold on to anything unless it's making the money right now. Yeah, so there's an enormous amount of stuff like You know 15 years ago I knew dozens and dozens of growers that had Urkel and grape ape and GDP and green crack even yeah and green crack and then as soon as the market changed Six people kept it. Yeah, there was a bunch of people that had headband 15 years ago You know or sours, you know, yeah, I mean I even had a friend call me the other day Who's lifelong? resident of so southern Humboldt and They're looking for sour cuts Yeah, because in the last two or three years everybody has been Popping all you know working with all this candy and all this dessert and all this purple and all this stuff And now people are starting to ask for it again and nobody kept it It's not like it doesn't exist. They'll be able to get it back again eventually But maybe they don't get back the same one. Yeah, that's that's that's a big deal That's why a lot of people don't have Urkel like you said Urkel was one of the most grown things up there Everybody has used it had more than 10 lights in Mendo was growing Urkel or grape ape or something like that Mendo Yeah, they were all growing purples. Yeah, you know And you know and then you know when sour and kush came in Everybody dropped it. Yep. When cookies came in a bunch of people dropped sours When this came in a bunch of people dropped that and I do think there's gonna be a Renaissance of some of those strains because they're better in my opinion than a lot of the modern cuts Absolutely, they'll come back. They taste better. They work better. They're longer lasting. They have more unique eyes You know that type of thing. So I think they will make a comeback You know but You know, there's I mean I my sour that I have I've had this sour since they're very early 2000s I don't know which one it is Yeah, but it's not most of the one I've collected a whole bunch of them And it's not most of them. Yeah, I haven't found one. I haven't found one. I kept hoping I'm like Oh, maybe it's the Chaco. Maybe it's the Amish. Maybe it's the Joe B. Maybe it's the Ecsd, maybe it's the NYC D. Maybe it's the you know, yeah, and It's really hard as you really can't tell diesels apart by pictures No, not but no, they all tend to look super scum You really have to grow them side by side and you really have to kind of smoke them if you want to pick out differences. Yeah You know, so You know, what I know about my sour is that it's old and that we kept it And that's about it, you know, the headband got renamed sour by a bunch of people it got You know, it got tossed around but it was a little bit more finicky than regular sour and it could freak out on you Sometimes so a lot of people got rid of it because it wasn't as easy as the other ones Yeah, you know and and then people get rid of their cut and one thing that I've learned is that if I would have Lost my sour cut even though I have six or seven other different ones right now It none of them are that one. Yeah, and there's a bunch of people that always talk about You know, I tried to get back that thing that I had and I can't find the sour diesel cut or the blue dream cut Or the GDP cut like yeah, or the trinity. I can't get it back It's like this one's good But it's not But it's not it's not what it is. I Um Duke you made a good comment. He said the skunk search should start in a sour s1 and I agree, but I think The places I saw it the most were when you cross two Different expressions of super skunk was where I was seeing it just constantly pop up I thought that was but I think that you can probably find that the sour s1 I'm just you can't make them the problem is with sour s1s is that like it fails or you get like 20 seats Exactly, that's why that's why I even went with Crossing two super skunks that are that are different expressions like a sour and a diesel, but I do agree with them. I think that Diesel's are modern skunk Yes, I think it's one of the most classic examples of a modern skunk oil type plant that we have yeah Diesel's are modern skunk and the good thing about the diesel's is that unlike a lot of other things where you could be like Oh, that one's fake or whatever Most of the diesel's are pretty fucking nice man. Yeah, they burn good. They smoke good They have you know, they range in gassy to more headband aromas stuff like that, but grown well taken long enough dried, right? They they work Yeah, they work. They're good, you know, so it's one of my favorite families So, you know, there's probably like at this point from my experimentation There's at least 10 or 12 cuts that are all different from each other that circulate Yeah, of course everyone wants to be like oh mine's the oldest mine's the original and mine's the one you remember That's why you should pay X amount for it Yeah, and clone form or in weed form because it I can try it take take it back right to 95 You don't know the pros that I know Most of those people haven't been growing since 90 whatever you know I just I know the sense that that it's like it then it becomes a You know, that's really what it becomes it becomes a marketing gig but luckily You know They a lot of them still exist and they're most of them are all good. There's only one or two that I didn't like very much Yeah, I liked I liked Your growth the Amish I'd never tried it before that oh that was that those couple of years that I brought it to the party It was fire it was due to all the diesels you grew were flavorful They all had that mouth coating thing in common, but they were all super flavorful outdoor I'd never really had much diesel outdoor that was good and that year it wasn't straight outdoor It was greenhouse so I was a little bit more control say shit. It was sungrown. It was sun grown I I do I'm a indoor grower. So anything that's not fucking pure indoor to me is out I mean somebody mentioned somebody mentioned how I bring it up. Somebody mentioned pips ecsd Yeah, you know Pip gave me his ecsd to try As one of my like which one of these sours is my sour and it wasn't my sour It's one that I liked a whole bunch and when he came out to the party that year He was like dude. I've only grown it this good once or twice. Yeah You know and I mean some of that's probably I did a nice job on the growing it, but you know, Sun's real nice light Yeah, dude He's love the Sun the Sun is a great light So if you get good weather with the Sun and you get warm nice days that go into late October early November And you can take that sour late Most people with sour the problem that became was sour up here is that as soon as it got the nose people would cut it Yeah, and it probably needed another 10 days to two weeks And it's real easy for it to go from being a good nose when you cut it to turning complete booth once you try to fucking Cure it. I've seen sour go bad so many times just in the cure people are asking what AJ's is, you know I don't I mean I know AJ a little bit, but You know what AJ's was what AJ's was in the late 90s and early 2000s Does not seem to be the same thing that he has currently as AJ's. Yeah, I'll say that And it's not you know, and there's even times where I people are talking about like, oh, there's like like names I've never heard of yeah, right like oh now there's the real sour Now there's that albany sour. Yeah, I'll be yeah now Now there's names that like never even existed during the forum days or anything like that Yeah new terms that are popping up the real deal. Yeah, and then people will be like I'm convinced that this real deal sour is your headband Yeah, and I'm like, I don't know how would I know how the fuck would you know how would I how would you know? You know, yeah, how would you know? You could give it to me and I'll try it I suppose or whatever, but it's like it's not I can't tell you, you know But like I said, luckily most of these cuts of diesel cuts are real nice. Yeah, most of them get you nice and high most of them burn well You know Yeah, I mean Amherst sour diesel, right? Fucking I mean, he's he's passed now, but Mandelbrot made that up Yeah, that was my sour diesel that I gave to him that he crossed into a bunch of stuff And he just decided that it was from Amherst and added Amherst to it because that's what he thought I didn't get it from Amherst, you know, so but it sticks in Albany real the real sour Yeah, that's not a that's not a leading statement, right? Yeah, right convince people the origins. Which one is it? Oh the real one the real one one, you know, yeah, the original original the real original real verified You know actually sour diesel. I'm still actually Yeah, and some of them, you know, it seems like the choco cut is the same thing as the ECSD Yeah, these names are so it's kind of like kush the names get so interchangeable Then one piece for one person's Diablo og could be another person's SFV. Yeah You know and and all that, you know, so You know and and really like when I got my sour cut it came hopefully labeled sour D Yeah, it didn't have any moniker on it and then I never got I never got AJ's or Rezes or choco or ECSD because I already had the diesel What what is a plant spanker sour? I've never heard of her never heard of her. Okay, keep going You know and so so yeah people people get people get stuff that gets attached to it Yeah, you know, who's is it? Oh, it comes from this dude. So it's his who's is it? Oh, it's this Well, you know Amish got named it because it came out of Pennsylvania and there's a bunch of Amish That one was from shroomy and it's also called shroomies diesel too. So it calls shroomies diesel. Yeah, you know And so there you know, there's there's a lot of stuff like that where nicknames get added and subtracted I don't know what the real deal sour is. I don't know what the Albany sour is But it's like as more of the story comes out I would assume that like Albany is just trying to tie it to Manny and Some of the original sour people Yeah, and you know, it's funny is like we know the term from Vondo that they called the sour that they all prefer the Manny and We don't really mention that much, but I guarantee That someone's gonna pop up with that motherfucking Manny in two weeks or a week you know You know, yeah, and I mean there's and you know and so sometimes one of those things just like Just just like the the dog isn't really, you know, it's not really, you know skunk VA's dog Yeah, but he gets on the forums and he's the first guy talking about it and which cut is it? Oh, it's the skunk VA cut Yeah, you know, oh, it's not so his headband. Yeah, because you're trying to figure out some kind of language To chat about it. It's Matt right. It's 12 inch cock. I get that all the time just because my Yeah, that's just the difference between our measurements and metric and metric People getting inches inches and centimeters, you know, totally confused totally confused inches and centimeters, but But yeah, you know and and no, I mean someone just said hey for the preservation. I'm not even dissing I've known a skunk VA since for 20 20 plus years. I'm not dissing him. That's that's not my intention whatsoever I'm just he didn't attach his name to it. It was it was actually Caleb who attached just attached skunk VA's name to it because that was the source that it came from Yeah, and it's like so, you know, which had, you know, which headband You know not so his headband You know Yeah, I hate that one. Oh my god I don't even use I don't even I don't even like that word hate But I really despise the murder and like the funny thing is like the 56 day That's what it was told to me when I got it. No six. Yeah, it's not 56 It's more like nine weeks or 10 weeks at least someone just said Sun simulator had something to do with Sun simulator had nothing to do with the creation of diesel But he did make some nice diesel hybrids later on. I do agree with that. He did a cool strawberry diesel Yeah, Lumpa headband Lumpa headband is most likely a OG Kush S1 bag seed and in that case Lumpa did name that motherfucker after himself And he did he did have an ego boost and name it after himself. That was intentional But sometimes it's not intentional skunk the a you didn't intend on it and actually chem dog got a little hyphy about it Because it was like technically his cut. Yeah, all of a sudden people are calling it Skunk the a's cut. Yeah, you know, I'm kind of embarrassed about my, you know, not so his headband because You know, I don't really attach myself to stuff like that. Yeah, you know, I didn't name it not so as Mendo perps Yeah, you know or anything like that like, you know, I guess you got to have Depends on whether or not you want to have a ego attachment to it. Yeah, you know But really when it comes down to it when you get back to breeding all the stupid names all the attachments all the all the everything else The only thing that people are gonna remember is if it's good weed. Yeah So you are my phone my phone's getting down to like 10% so let's cover some of that real quick All right, so there's this thing going around right now that really irritates the piss out of me and there's You know, they've been pushing all this stuff with the emerald cup judging and all that and SC labs has come out with this new classification and they're trying to get rid of using sativa and Indica which that's a different discussion. Yeah, I agree I That we that there could be better terms there could be better terminology applied to that what they want to replace it to Is they and what they're using for the emerald cup this year is the most ridiculous bullshit? I've ever seen. Yeah, and the reason why is because they have six categories and I'll try to do them off a memory But it's haze jack and haze. Yep, and It's this probably won't be an order Oh, gee and gas. Yep sweet dreams sweets and dreams sweet and dreams desserts exotics What's the final one tropical and floral tropical and floral right which are two different and so like that's the most ridiculous smell and terpene classifications. I've ever heard in my life Exotics what is it? What's exotic? I mean, do they go off the exotic my definition of exotics where runs is an exotic well I mean just exotic is like exotic is something that's unusual to you Yeah, exactly. That's all exotic. I'd be like like maybe some Southeast Asians I would consider exotics or some wild But if you live there, it's not exotic. It's common. Exactly. I might be over there What is sweets and dreams? Sweets and dreams is the one that makes the like no sense to me at all And then you know like and then there's an aspect of okay, so you've got sweets plus dreams and Then you've got desserts now I guess cookies has a marketing campaign Where everything they name is dessert based. Yeah, so they get the whole so they have Sherbert may have flawn and they have fucking this and that bullshit and whatever And none of it tastes like the specific dessert exactly. It's just they have a theme Yeah, right. I will say that cookies the original thin mint which they can't say anymore because Girl Scout suit them But it did have kind of a doughy flavor Yeah, I don't get that from any of it all I taste is og But I know people do do get that from it So it's it's also like how you smell how you taste different things I mean, I can at least okay. It's got some kind of doughy type aroma to it You know that some people but what is exotics, but it was neither thin nor mint. That's right. They were sure what is what is exotics? What is What is dessert weed? What is dreams? What is dreams? What does that even fuck me like blue dream? Even jack and haze. Okay, so jack and haze in California like You know that it's mostly terpenaline Yeah, but that's by no means the only haze aromas in haze in fact I would I would put blue dream in the Jackson haze category more than I would like a blueberry category But I certainly wouldn't make a category for dreams based off one strain But you know, it's like even if so even like all in back in New York, right? Where there's a bunch of haze cuts that are still pretty famous and kept Yeah, you know, they don't the best ones they have back there aren't terpenaline. They don't smell like jack They smell like frankincense. They smell like church. They smell. There's a variety of smells So hold on. I'm gonna respond to one thing Someone said they are leaning into genetics No, they're not and chemo var This is not based on chemo var, which I think is important and I appreciate the effort in advancing the discussion The thing is this discussion was already advanced past indica and sativa and hybrid long ago And it's it's only the people that aren't very well read on the subject that are still there Just so everyone knows that when you're judging at the emerald cup all these jars are labeled and no one has any It supposedly has any idea what they are Yeah, they're supposed to just just blind smoke and gas and smell and look and share It doesn't come with. Oh, this is white runs from x and x farm. Yeah, it's just sample number 148 Yep, you know, and we're gonna name this is this dessert to you. Is this dreams? Do you feel dreaming when you smoke this? Yeah, is this dream that that still blows my mind because I you know Even the even the even the og even the og and gas. It's like in og. There's piney There's earthy. There's so much depth in og itself and you can't just combine diesel and kush into the same category as Gassy og's what yeah, what about what about the the like the Irene ones that are more sweet cereal og's Ones that are like lemony and pine soul. Yeah, and one straight earthy mouthcoat. Yeah So really to me I'm not trying to diss them or whatever But it it really is a step backwards and I really don't want that kind of language to start being used Because you know what the fuck is dreams? Yeah, what the fuck is dream? Yeah, the thing my point was like I Agree in advancing the conversation because I do not think indica indica and sativa and hybrid are accurate However Someone already did that but like someone pointed out Merlin and and Clark came up with the broadleaf dominant narrow leaf drug I'm sorry broad leaf drug type narrow leaf drug type and From there. I mean, you know, you can classify it any other way, but those BLD and LD Yeah, BLD and LD is a great way to do it because it doesn't talk about the high type It just talked about the the outward expression and maybe we should you know We're planning on having our buddy cry baby. Come on One of these shows and we're gonna have like a terpene and an aroma episode Because he can probably talk more intelligently about those kind of things than we can he's got a better language But really what this is it's about communication and language. So when we're talking about our eyes It's really easy to be like this is periwinkle or this is burgundy or this is orange or this is and you can be like Yes, that is we can both see it, but when it comes to to nose, right? Other than sour bitter dead Salty, there's only like five or six things that you actually taste, right? Yeah, and then the rest is impressions So people will be like oh this smells like pencil shavings or a fresh car or it smells like, you know Something common like oranges. So you don't really describe the smell Yeah, describe something else that it smells like Yeah, but but that classification what the fuck does dream smell like? Yeah, that's what is what is exotic smell like? Yeah, you know what used to be exotic in Europe pepper Yeah, that's true, huh? Yeah spices from the Far East. They were exotic You know you can have exotic exotic dragon fruit, but if you live in Hawaii, it's probably not exotic At one point, you know mangoes were probably exotic. Oh Yeah, yeah Have you had those before I know I remember yeah fresh vinyl Linolium, you know new car smell all that and so there's a whole bunch of those things where it's like it's really difficult to have the language to talk about smells with people and I'm bad at it. And you know and I always I always win trimmers and stuff like that I always try to ask them away from the rest of the trimmers. What do you smell when you smell this week? yeah, and Try to get a bunch of different people's feedback and then do I see things that people keep talking about? Yeah, there are commonality that you can pull out of their impressions Because not everybody has the same impression like for instance, how would Europeans know roadkill? Yeah, there is no roadkill in Europe. No, no roadkill skunk. No roadkill skunk But that's what they mean when they talk about roadkill. Yeah, I'm roadkill skunk I should have been more specific, but it's like you're not American There is no you've never smelled a dead skunk on the side of the road. Yeah, unless you came here Yeah, so, you know, there's an aspect where it's like I looked at all this stuff and you've got all these judges This motherfucker don't understand the concepts of mono terpenes try terpenes sesquiterpe Shut the fuck up. We don't you obviously don't understand the discussion So you can talk about terpenes and you can talk about individual terpenes But like the language around how those terpenes blend into different aromas. Yeah, you know, like just like there's there's only so many primary colors Yeah, and you know terpenes you can combine two different things and have them smell the exact same way No matter what terpenes you're using, you know, like you there's certain ways to make Strawberry smells and there's other ways to make strawberry smells that are very similar that two people could smell as strawberry But the problem is not it's not a terpene conversation in that sense The level of the level of education amongst people to discuss aromas in cannabis is very limited even amongst the educated Yeah, it's a limited conversation And so I don't think it's advanced by and they're all pushing. Oh my god We're breaking barriers and here's how we're judging stuff and we've got different colored stickers to put on jars Whether it's dessert or whether it's haze or whether it's exotic Yeah, and I just think that's a joke Yeah, I think the categories are not related to reality. Yeah, you know, and it's not dissing them You know, it's not dissing them. I mean if anything, it's probably dissing SC labs, maybe But it's just it's just another way to try to talk about language and talk about classifications But it's not accurate. It's not helpful most weed before cookies Nobody said nobody was like, oh my god, all this weed smells like desserts. Yeah I this is like this is flan at my favorite Mexican restaurant to a tee. I just exhale flan No, yeah, I just exhale strawberry shortcake Yeah, yeah You see Yeah, I think that'll be a good episode of a cry baby to to go Way more knowledgeable about that in the car in the language than I am He's got he's got a much deeper base of talking about the language and the terpenes and stuff like that, you know Yeah, so we're gonna do Matt's phone's gonna die. I got some stuff I got to take care of and whatnot. So we're gonna do a little bit shorter Normally, we try to take it to like an hour and a half two hours every Friday We're gonna cut it a little short today for a variety of reasons But we just kind of wanted to do no matter what we wanted to kind of bring people together on Friday night Bullshit about different subjects with cannabis give people things to talk and think about And so Matt if you want to do any plugs. Oh, yeah Go to Google type in breeder syndicate patreon if you want to join the patreon We have our discord where we talk about all this stuff Incessantly because we're fucking nerds. That's what we do and it's what we love to do We got our Hawaiian life stuff dropping and of course I did not take a picture of all the hybrids like I was going to and print out But there are some really awesome hybrids that CSI did with the Hawaiian life stuff And that's gonna be dropping probably this weekend But expect to see some old rare shit in there including the the bomb threat bubble Which hasn't been released in ages in any hybrids. No, that's a good Yeah, that's a fucking why I've grown that one myself. It's a fun. It's a fun one Yeah, but anyway, you know and you can always reach out to us You can always give us you can always hit us up on Instagram or are on discord and give us Ideas had love for you guys to talk about this. I'd love to learn more about whatever. We're super open about that We just want to Bullshit on a weekly basis about cannabis and keep people interested. So thank you so much Right seed code calm Hawaiian lights f2 open pollination is up right now and tomorrow are the fights for those of you on the discord We're gonna get together for the fights. It's gonna be major awesome one. So yep cheers everybody. Have a great night