 Hello, and welcome to Encompass Live, our second edition of Encompass Live. Encompass Live is our Nebraska Library Commission's new weekly online event. We're presenting various activities, library topics by NLC staff, and sometimes we will have guests, speakers. Decisions are free every Wednesday at 10 a.m., and we could have anything that we come up with, but any presentations here, interviews, book reviews, tours, mini-training sessions, and Q&A sessions, similar to what we are doing today. Just to kick off our Encompass Live, we started last week and are continuing this week with our Meet the NLC. Just getting to know some of the staff here, what we do, who we are, what the Commission can do for you. Last week we had four people from the Commission, and this week we have four more. We are going to have Mary Jo Ryan, the communications coordinator, Richard Miller, our library development director, and a couple other people that will be coming on later. I'm sorry. And we'll just get started and jump right into this right away, starting off with Mary Jo. Hi, everybody. This is Mary Jo Ryan, and that's me. This is a pose I often strike. I'm actually showing off some ways to use return on investment information and communication pieces for your local library. And if you're wondering what that teacher says, I can read it to you. I have to have it right here. I spent the day at the library and I got books, magazines, newspapers, CDs, DVDs, audio books, research help, large type materials for the internet access, homework help, pretty school story times, summer reading programs, full text databases, book discussions, interlibrary loans, computer help, podcasts of book talks, and more. And the reason why I wear that t-shirt is because I'm always trying to remind people and remind myself to remind people just how important our local libraries are to us. And that's one of the things that the Library Commission is really dedicated to. Let me tell you a little bit about some of the people who work in communications. The next slide should be coming up. This is Katherine Brockmeyer. Katherine has recently joined us. She was with the Hastings Public Library. We're so lucky to have her as our research analyst and special project associate. She works with us on communication pieces, doing some research and collecting information to help us develop those pieces. She also works with us on grants, and I'll talk more about grants in the future before this day is over. And she works with our colleague, the esteemed John Felton, who is the director of planning and research and statistics for the Library Commission. They work on quite a bit of information gathering. I'm sure you've gotten some surveys from them and information gathering tools. They'll be talking next week. Is that right, Kristen? Yes. They'll be talking next week at Encompass Live in more detail about the Bibliostat Connect process. I also have another person I would like to introduce. Unfortunately, I don't have a photograph of him. His name's Peter Worth. He's a graphic design student intern, and he's just a wonderful asset to the Library Commission. We've enjoyed working with him while he's been in school at the University. He's been developing print pieces for us, working on WIC, EAS, and website. And he's just been a lot of fun to work with, and a lot of the things you see that come out of the Library Commission have his professional stamp on it. Moving on to just say a little bit about public information and communication, I think it's really important for us to point out that public information and communication efforts really do help fulfill the Library Commission's statutory mission. And just to remind you, the mission of the Nebraska Library Commission is statewide promotion, development, and coordination of library and information services. So as a state library agency, the commission is an advocate for the library and information service needs of all Nebraskans. And we do that by helping you serve your customers. We do it through print, through broadcast, through electronic materials, and through face-to-face communication. But our goal is to help all the libraries across the state serve their local customers. And we use as our tagline, very often you'll see this, bringing together people and information. Yeah, let's take a look here. This is our website, and it's one of the tools we use to help you know more about what we're up to. And these announcements are changed very regularly, and we keep them on until, say, for example, that grant opportunity, that's the third one down. We keep these announcements on until that grant opportunity is no longer available. It goes away and something else replaces it. Kristen, can you go down to commission publications, please? There we go. This is a section of our website that's got a lot of information about our print publications. These print publications are really designed for specific target customers. For example, the first one there, if you click on that, this is the NLC communicator. It comes out three, four times a year. It's got announcements, kind of timely information. It's really designed for our Nebraska librarians and library staff in all kinds of libraries. The things that are in here are things that people who work in libraries would be most interested in. We do have other target customers, people like state agency employees. Kristen, if you don't mind going down a little bit on this page, we can find something that's specifically designed for a state agency. Or if you click on What's Up Doc, please? This is a blog that we use to communicate with people who are working in state agencies or who are interested in state government information. So we have different kinds of communication pieces, some of them are print, some of them are electronic. Another target group are Nebraska citizens specifically. They're a niche market for us because we don't really serve the general public as it were. We serve groups of people who have specific information needs directly, anyway, the people that we serve directly. That would be like customers who can't see to read or hold a book. We serve through our talking book and Braille service. And then if you want to click, I think it's up a little bit, actually, what we're going to. That would be the interchange. There you are. And this has got a print version, audio version, podcast version, and archives of past issues on it. Again, this is a specific niche market for people who can't see to read or can't hold a book. Another group that we serve are intermediaries. We consider those to be people from, for the most part, statewide organizations that are intermediaries with our customers. If you click on canCB news there, you can see, this is the Nebraska Center for the Book newsletter. This goes out to individuals and organizations that have a particular interest in promoting reading. We work with the Center for the Book to put this newsletter together. And happily, we support a lot of other projects in the Center for the Book, such as the Letters about Literature Contest and several other things that we can talk about as we go along. Just to show, again, another one of our publications, the Encompass, this one comes out three or four times a year, and it also serves as our buy-in new report. And just for a hint, this is actually not printed yet. It's in the process of being printed at state printing, but you can get access to it right now. It's up as soon as we've got it done, and sometimes state printing takes a little while. So if you need information, you can always keep a check on this, you can also RSVS feed this, this publication. So I think that probably gives you a pretty good idea about some of the print publications, and if you need more information, you can always go to this section of our website to find more about our print publications. Just to point out electronic communication. Oh, Exhibit 7 is next. Never mind. Let's do Exhibit 7. Let's stay in order. Thank you, Krista. Krista's keeping me on track here, so I've got things in order. Oh, okay. So electronic information. If we go back to our front page, there we go. There are all the publications. That's good. We do a lot of things through electronic, medium. That's what I showed you before. The blogs, the wikis, the announcements that are on the website. But then to also go down a little bit further on from the page, you can see another project that we have that's more electronic, and that's the radio programming. We do a book talk radio show on Wednesday nights at 6.30 Central Time. It's available through 89.3 FM Radio in Lincoln. It's also available on the kzum.org website. That's live streaming, live audio stream. And then we also have a podcast of many of the selected shows. We have a list of every show we've ever done. This is a project that we started in 1996 here at the Library Commission, and we started it in conjunction with Lincoln City Libraries. And we had a lot of fun doing this. There's been a history of a variety of book talkers, some from the Library Commission, like Sally Snyder's been involved from the very beginning. She's a library development staff person. Kate Keller, who is a former staff person here, was involved and is still involved, your kzum book talk. We've had a lot of fun with the people from Lincoln City Libraries. Carol Swanson has been involved, Lane Pierce. It's just been a really great partnership project, and we've sent out dozens and dozens of these tapes to local libraries who think they might want... Certified. Then they need to earn 45 hours of CE credit during a three-year period in order to be recertified. Next, on certification of public library boards, Linda Jensen and I work on that, and in this case, boards must earn 20 hours of CE credit in a three-year period in order to be recertified. And finally, accreditation of public libraries themselves. I work with the accreditation program, and as you well know in public libraries, there are three levels of accreditation for public libraries. They're essential, enhanced, and excellent, and these are based on meeting criteria in the accreditation guidelines. Accreditation is also earned for a three-year period after which the library is eligible for re-accreditation. A public library has to be accredited in order to receive state aid to public libraries and in order to apply for various grants the commission makes available, and we'll discuss those grants briefly. Just to let you know, on February the 18th, the Encompass Live session will be on accreditation and certification, and Laura Johnson and I will be offering more in-depth information on those at that time. There are also three grants that the library offers. The Nebraska Library Commission offers, and we handle those in library development. There are the youth grants for excellence, which Sally is involved with, and usually those grants are available annually in August with applications due at October, and we normally have about $40,000 to distribute under those grants. Then we have continued education and training grants, and Laura Johnson is involved with those. Those are usually available in May with the applications due in August, and we have about $25,000 for those grants. The library improvement grants, for which we have about $200,000 normally, are going to be handled by Richard and Sally this time, and these grants are available in October with applications which would do at the end of December. We're just now beginning the evaluation of those grants, and you folks will hear about those by March 20. We also deal with state aid in library development, and that's running a bit late this year, and I'm responsible for that, and I'll be working on that in the near future. Just a little background on state aid. That's granted to accredited public libraries with additional amounts given to those public libraries that have managed to be accredited at a higher level, either the enhanced level or the excellent level. The amount of state aid a library received is determined by the formula that's driven by how many libraries are eligible for state aid, which levels those libraries have attained, and how much state aid there is to distribute. In the past number of years, also the commission has granted monies under a program called Dollars for Data, which has offered $250 to unaccredited public libraries that submit their annual statistics to us, and we have about $238,000 per year to distribute in state aid. As was pointed out, in next week's Encompass Live, John Felton and Catherine Brockmire are going to talk more about bit of a stat connect and bit of a stat collect, and collect is the one that used to collect the statistics annually. There are other areas of activity and expertise within Library of Development, which I'll run through quickly. Children and youth services, of course, is handled by Sally, who also handles the summer reading programs, and Sally makes annual presentations at the NLA NEMA conference and in the system areas, reviewing books related to the years theme. Just by way of information for you, Sally is currently president of the 48 state consortium known as the CSLP, the Cooper Summer Library Program, that produces the annual program manual. We also are involved in Library of Development with e-rate and technology planning, and that's an area I'm involved in. We consult with libraries doing e-rate, which is the Federal Telecommunications Discount Program. We offer annual training, and we approve the technology plans required for a library to receive discounts on Internet access. If you've got questions on library-related laws, I'm the person to call. If you have any questions about the motion picture video licensing process, Sally is the person to call. Sally works through the vendor annually to negotiate an agreement that allows libraries to show movies as part of their programming, that is to show them legally. She also updates the frequently asked questions on motion picture-related video licensing. Go to our website for that if you'd like to see more. We are involved also in planning for libraries. I worked with a number of public libraries around the state along with planning using the new Planning for Results book. Call me if you have some interest in that area. We also work with the regional library systems. That is all three of us, Laura, Sally, and Rich, all three professional staff work with us, and we try to attend all the system board meetings to keep in touch with the efforts of the regional systems. As you may know, the Commission provides the majority of the funding for the regional library systems. And finally, Laura Johnson is involved with continuing education. She develops the curriculum for the basic skills classes and is working with several others and redesigning basic skills. She also determines how many hours of CE each event will earn for library-related events in Nebraska. If you have any questions for us in library development, please feel free to call us at the 800-Number 1-800-307-2665 and ask for any of us. And that's the end of the presentation. Thank you. Does anybody have any questions right now for Richard? Okay, we'll move on to our next department then. We have Vern and Computer Services. Hi, I'm Vern Bias, Computer Services Director. I am the lead staff member on the computer team, which includes three other staff members. And I deliberately don't use the term supervisor because I really don't supervise and I couldn't even if I needed to. I think of us as a team of peers and I just happen to be the oldest. Speaking of old, I was shocked when doing the math that among the four of us on the team, we have more than 100 years of combined work at the Library Commission, which is pretty shocking. Impressive. So depending on how you look at it, we're either experienced and wise or a bunch of old geezers. Experienced and wise. Our job is to manage the commission's computer infrastructure, which includes workstations and the staff offices, public access workstations, service providers, wireless access points, laptops, and of course the network that ties it all together and also connects to the internet. And besides all the hard work, of course there is software that needs to be installed, configured, maintained and updated to keep everything working. I suspect that many of you out there viewing this webcast have the job of managing technology but have to squeeze it in among other duties, which is not easy to do. When I first got involved in technology, I was in that position, so I really empathized with you who do have to juggle several different job titles. When I think about our job, the picture that always comes to mind and this review reveals again how old I am. I think of the Circus Act on Ed Sullivan with the guys spinning the plates on the poles. And I think of that constantly and our job is to keep the plates spinning and keep adding new ones but not let the old ones crash to the ground so we have to keep everything going. You know, we add new services and nothing ever goes away. You always have more and more. I'm sure most of you out there can identify with this, even if you're not involved in technology. I think it's just the way the world is these days. I want to... I mentioned that there are three other members on the computer team that we go through, list them and give you an idea of what they do. Dennis Klebe, his primary responsibilities include backups and archiving, email management, purchasing, mailing lists, and hardware. And backups and archiving is really a huge job and it's a thankless one, one that nobody ever realizes going on until something... they lose something or something crashes. And we put a lot of effort into back-up and archiving, probably more than many organizations do. And sometimes it feels like you're doing a lot of work for nothing, kind of like buying expensive insurance that you can never use but you really don't want to go without that insurance. He also manages our mailing lists which include a whole wide variety of lists like topic... including topical lists such as ChildLive and others such as the systems mailing lists. Janet Greaser is really our... we think of her as our help desk person. She's the first point of contact when problems or questions come up. She's also the primary support for our Mandarin Library Automation System and has heavy involvement managing and maintaining the various NLC websites. Diane Wells is our primary support for Talking Book and Braille Service which includes many specialized systems, notably the Reads Automation System and a lot of technologies that support recording and circulation of digital materials for the visually impaired. She also gets involved heavily in a lot of new technologies including recently the sterile wikis that have been set up on our website and she's recently also worked on a new online course management system called Moodle, working with the library development people on that. And me, I kind of try to oversee everything to some extent, spend time on planning if possible. In recent years, I've found myself spending a lot more time on security issues. That seems to be an increasing need, unfortunately. Which could, in itself, be a full-time job to really do a thorough job of it. I also do quite a bit of programming which these days takes the form of dynamic web pages and web applications. We try to do a lot of cross-training to the extent that we can so that each of us understands enough about everything that we can step in and provide support if needed. But the reality is that many of these systems are so specialized and complex that only one of us really has in-depth knowledge. And so for that reason, documentation is extremely important, and we also hope that none of us gets hit by a truck. Anything I've proposed? Keeping up with change is a constant battle and I'm not limited to technology, of course. As you know, things sort of move from barely visible to must-have almost overnight. So it's a challenge to keep these to get these new technologies installed and then to keep them patched and updated and migrated from one operating system to the next and from one set of hardware to the next. So even maintaining the status quo takes a lot of effort. It's kind of like drowning water, I guess. Just as an example, I still think of our current servers as fairly new. But the reality is they're about six years old, which is really getting close to retirement age for hardware. So we're beginning to work on plans to replace them. And over the past year or so, we've migrated all of our workstations from Windows XP, which was about seven years old at the time we started the migration to Vista. So in my happy days, I think, well, we're in pretty good shape with workstations, but the truth is servers are migrated. It will be time to start working on the next round of workstation migrations. So it's just an ever-ending cycle, as you know. Coping strategies. There are a couple of things I think worth mentioning that we've latched on to to help us cope with this constant change. One of them is that we've developed hundreds of little programs. We kind of call them robots just for lack of a better term. We go out and perform all kinds of maintenance, things like backups and archiving, checking web links and re-indexing databases, checking files, security, reading logs, the list is endless. And they do all that for us. So number one, the things do get done. And number two, we don't have to spend as much time doing it. But we've learned the hard way that you can't just trust that all of those things work overnight. So we also have another series of programs that every morning give us a status report of all the things that happened overnight. And so we spend the first part of the day typically going out and looking at whatever problems occur during the night and trying to fix them. Another of the survival strategies that we've adopted several years ago was to try to simplify our environment as much as possible by standardizing this angle workstation platform and a single server platform. At one time a few years ago we were running two different versions of Unix, two different versions of Novel Network, and two different versions of Windows. As you can imagine, it's pretty challenging to keep up with all that. Not only to keep up with patches and updates, but just to maintain fluency enough to get the job done and all those. So we made a deliberate concerted effort to focus all of our efforts on a single platform to the extent that we could. And we ended up deciding to standardize on Windows in part because many of the applications that we ran, including the TVBS read system for example were only available for Windows. And another factor is that we as a library are eligible for academic pricing on Microsoft products and academic pricing very attractive. And I want to take a minute to just talk about the academic pricing. Christi, if we could go to the slide or the website. Sure. I want to note that this academic pricing is available to public academic and school libraries around the state and it really is a huge market. If you do a search I want to show people how to get to this. If you do a search on our site and you can search for software as an example you should the first link that comes up computer purchasing recommendations. If we go there at the bottom of that page is a link to soft place which is the reseller that manages the discounted pricing let's see where it is a little there it is just one more paragraph there we go the link above you'll notice here the link and that you have to log in the log in information is provided here the user name is any in the password is select do I need to log in? we don't need to go to that so if you want to check out the academic pricing and what's available to you this is a place you can get to it and it's also linked from a few other places on our website so I really encourage everybody to look at that just to give you an idea of how attractive the pricing is I did a quick search last night and I found that the retail pricing through a standard vendor for an office 2007 professional is about $450 but the academic pricing for libraries is $53 so it's about a 90% discount in many cases it's really significant so I really don't want to over emphasize that a couple of final notes I'm almost finished early as we were getting into technology I remember distinctly for several years we had the goal of having a workstation for every staff member and for many many years that was a distant dream that we hoped would happen someday but we didn't know and now as I've looked at numbers we've reached the point where we have numerically two workstations for every staff member that counts public access computers and laptops and everything but we've definitely come a long way in that regard and another point that I think is worth noting is that Tran recently is setting up dual monitors on workstations which when you think about it in a lot of ways it's almost like giving people two computers so if you look at that we're probably up to a three to one ratio now I also just wanted to note that many many other staff commissioners involved in managing technology and supporting technology it's not just the computer team so we by all means don't do it all so there's lots of creditor or playing to go around and generally I'd say if we're successful we're pretty invisible and I try to stay invisible and live behind the scenes but when you hear the plates crashing that's when you I know that we're here so that's all I have to say okay thank you anybody have any questions for Vern about computers oh the login of information is noted on that computer hardware recommendations page if you search on software on our website scroll down and look for the soft link you'll see the login information if the password is any or the ID is any and the password is still live oh I didn't see it there's another question in our text chat given literally which version of Vista do you recommend for libraries yeah I believe we have specified a couple of versions on our recommendations page and that's not an easy to call but I would say you definitely don't want to go with the basic version or even probably I would say I would recommend either going with the business version or the home ultimate you definitely don't go and go at one of the higher end either the business or the ultimate versions you do give up quite a few features on the basics and the price difference especially with academic pricing is minimal were there any other questions for Vern okay on to network through and Debra okay I asked to go last that I could use up the extra time that other people didn't use and of course they didn't leave me any extra time so I will I will basically hit the high points I am Debra Dregos the network services director I have a number of staff in my department who do widely varying things so I'm not going to go through each person one by one and tell you what they do because that would take half an hour right there so I think what we'll do if you could do the app share okay I'm going to go to our network services page this is basically oops and then I have to move over this is where most of the information about what my department resides and we'll start off to begin with databases one of the most important things that we do in our department is consortial purchasing consortial any kind of thing that we can do to get libraries working together okay so what we do for the main part is getting information through databases now some of these databases we have actually purchased access for all Nebraska residents and they reside in the Nebraska access site which most of you are probably very familiar with Alana and Susan do database road shows to teach people how to use the databases that are available and we have several of them that cover general magazine articles biographies, genealogy information just things that a lot of our residents are looking for when they need the information okay beyond the databases that we purchase for all of the residents in the state we also do negotiating with vendors to get discount pricing for our libraries for specific databases now you can see there's a very very long list but for a lot of these only one or two libraries actually subscribe it varies widely by database they do prefer that we do have more than one library participating to get a discount however some of these are so unique that we have actually joined with other networks around the country to get discounts because we can pull in more libraries and get better better pricing okay we also do invoicing for a lot of these databases the vendors just find it easier in our libraries find it easier just to get the billing from us too when we do make a group of purchase we also do database trials if there are any databases that you are interested in looking at maybe interested in purchasing and you're wondering if there are other libraries out there who would join you in purchasing to bring the price down all you need to do is contact us you can call me or you can call Susan nicely and we will contact the vendor and see if we can't set up a trial the trials are listed on our database trial page we also send the information out on our trial mailing list if you're not currently subscribed to the trial mailing list I really recommend that you do subscribe this is where we send out all the information about databases that we are looking to put groups together to purchase okay make sure one of the other things that we do with the database vendors and vendors of different types of materials for a couple three years now we have had a vendor day two where we bring in vendors and allow them to actually do little presentations to participants about their products okay we'll go back let me see here to the discount purchasing this is just another way to get into this page where we list all of the vendors that we work with and I am going to actually skip down to the O's and mention our overdrive project now this isn't actually a database of information this particular vendor sells downloadable audiobooks and we currently have our numbers are getting up there we currently have 33 libraries that share a collection of downloadable audiobooks there are over a thousand titles now patrons can check out several audiobooks keep them for seven days on their computer if they transfer those items to those books to an mp3 player they can keep them for an indefinite period of time actually information about pricing joining the group is at the bottom of this page and if you're interested please give us a call our contact information is here you can contact either Susanizley or myself okay moving along here get back Farna one of the other group things that we do is OCLC services currently anyway since the late 1970s we have acted as OCLC's regional service provider for Nebraska under the name of Neebase here you have access to cataloging and various other services that OCLC provides as of July 1 we no longer will be the network representing OCLC in Nebraska you will have to at least to begin with go directly to OCLC 4 the services that actually Krista currently provides which are training support questions about any of the products that OCLC sells one of the other consortial purchases here too is a an OCLC product called NetLibrary where Neebase has joined with a number of the other OCLC networks to purchase groups of electronic books and that collection is also shared people can actually check out books and read them online one of our means of communication about the things that are going on in network services is our N cubed we use a blog software but we call it our newsletter for OCLC purposes but anything that's being done with OCLC trials of databases training sessions on technology and a variety of other things are reported in our N cubed newsletter so you can always go there for more information and you can sign up for our assets feed too moving down the line cataloging services Emily Nimsakant is our cataloger she started with us in October and she catalogs the collection collection items that come into the commission which include federal depository materials state depository materials and just general reference material most of which is library or technology related through the cataloging services though we also have a program that was started a couple years ago called the cataloging certificate program where we recognize those people who take a specified number of our cataloging classes and actually the one that we have on the calendar that's coming up at the moment is the authority control which will be held March 19th in Omaha but when you've completed enough classes we actually hand out two levels of certificates one is the basic certificate and one is the advanced certificate another group project that we're working on is an open source integrated library system and Susan nicely has put together a page for us where you can look at a number of sources related to products that are out there for automated systems the two main ones of course being Evergreen and Colha and there's also information about different training symposium sessions that we have done in the last year or two another group I keep talking about another group another group project that we're working on that we have not actually put out an announcement yet is for library website we will be starting to send out information soon on a product called Plinkett which allows libraries to create web pages very simply and then those web pages will be hosted on a server that the library commission is arranging so it will be a totally free service you will be able to edit the pages any time you want put up as many pages as you want the server will be backed up so you won't have to worry about losing any pages or you won't have to worry about viruses pages crashing or anything like that we will get more information out to you as soon as possible okay another big thing that the commission is involved with is technology michael sawers is our technology innovations librarian and he drags all of us some of us kicking and screaming into the world of new technologies and part of that new technology is social networking and actually several of the people in my department have been involved with a project called Nebraska Learns where you can go in and actually practice using a number of different products that are out there related to web 2.0 such as blogs, wikis, flicker instant messaging tagging and social bookmarking including delicious which is what we're using this morning if you're really really quick they keep telling me you have until January 31st to complete all of the things that are listed 23 things that are listed here in Nebraska Learns 2.0 those Nebraska librarians who do complete all 23 things will be entered for a drawing in in which you could be eligible you could be chosen to get crystal what are they iPods I saw some iPods one of 9 mp3 players not specifically not specifically it's creative zen mp3 players so you have what a week now you could finish it off 2 weeks 2 weeks January 31st some of the other technology things we do have a page set up for information on flicker telling you how to use it what it is a little bit of training information we also have a page set up on gaming and libraries which gives you information about how other libraries are using gaming and books that are available about the topic okay and gaming systems okay I'm getting ready close out of time but there are just 2 other things I want to mention here we do a lot of work on Nebraska memories I know Beth Goble mentioned this last week my department is very involved in this too Alana Namotny does all of the back and customization things like that if anyone is interested in contributing a digitized collection to Nebraska memories this is the page where you can find the information about how to become a participant okay um one last comment about a project that we're working on Krista Burns and I have been working on the first grant the opportunity online hardware grant so my department as you can see is involved in many many many different projects and we just keep taking them on so that's a quick overview of network services anybody have any questions for Debra about network services and all of the random things that we could do there get to Nebraska again okay it's in the wish action Kevin is asking for the link to get to Nebraska we actually have it right here on our um powerpoint as well it's the second link there that's the URL for it all of the links that people showed today and some that people didn't show but anyone that were of interest in the different departments from this week and last week are actually in the library commission's delicious account where we bookmark websites of interest um when the recording for this is posted out we'll all have all the links to those available to you so you'll be able to get to anything that anybody linked to today from there you should also be able to find it by doing a quick search on our website that's true too yes so anybody have any other questions for anybody about anything they spoke about today we just so do warren out oh we're getting a little applause dana thank you very much anything else anybody else wants to i guess i did have one thing this is mary joe i just wanted to ask if there are any topics that you would like to see addressed this broadcast and you don't have to tell us now we're always open to suggestion you can email crista you can email me you can click on your text chat box and type it in if you've got a suggestion right now but really we want to make these really serve your needs so if there are topics that you would like to for us to find out more about to give you information on or for us to bring in a speaker we'd be happy to do that too or if you want to volunteer to speak about something oh yeah we are totally open to guest speakers as well it's not all just the library commission this is the encompass live is for any sort of library services and things are going on in the nebraska library world so any other final questions comments anything anybody wants to say then that wraps up our encompass live for this week thank you very much the recording should be available this afternoon I'll let you know when it's ready thank you bye bye