 Maen nhw'n Adre Mac Jagd. Mae fydd amd Oppers Camp ond nyfaf yw'r Gweithio Llywodraeth o'r Tfynol Ieydd sy'n gweithio Alli Gweithio Llywodraeth o'r Coffin Archi Gweithio Llywodraeth o ran ddarparu'n cyfan o'r bwyllgor yw'r 23ol, fe yw'n gweithio'n cael ei gydag. Rwy'r Gweithio Llywodraeth yn cael ei ddweud o'r gweithio enwedig. Holdwch i'n ddweud o'r gweithio. Haydewch i'r cy monarchiau i'n ddweud o'r myny, sometimes things for other people. And for the majority of this year I've been working on a project that combines all of those things into one research project. So we've been doing some research for the Royal College of Arts and they've been looking at future makespaces in redistributed manufacturing ond they're kind of interested in working out what the fab labs, maker spaces, hack spaces, all the kind of maker movement can be doing, and I've actually been heckled by a chair, had some new one. And basically, they're kind of looking at all the maker movement stuff, and things like that. Goldblig. Rwy'n dechrau ar amdithio allod o'r rhywbeth a'r ddau ochr o'r ddau ar y dychydig o'riation ac o'r ddau ar gyfer oschcamp ac o'r ffordd ddau, ac oedd hynny'n ddiddordeb, a ddiddorocki a rhywbeth yn ffordd y ddarl Fernaniauc ac oedd ddiddorolch yn cael ddauar, y ddiddorolfu. Oeddi wneud y trefio newydd Mae'r bach bach nid yn llwylo fydd. O'r ffordd, we've been looking at the local supply chains as an area that they were interested in exploring. So we've been doing some research to tease at some of this issue. This is all just the blurb off the Indian Manufacturing website, so you don't necessarily need to read all of it. The key things, I think the two imaginary quotes, I don't know if anybody's actually said that part from me in trying to explain what the project is to people. Ond ydy'r penderfyniad sy'n gyda i mi a Andy Goodwin, sy'n gweithio'r wrth yma, ond rydyn ni'n gweithio'r project. Rydyn ni'n ymgyrch i'r ystyried o'r ffnod gyda'r penderfyniad. Gweld yma ydy'r UK wedi gweithio'r penderfyniad. Mae'r cyd-igio i China yn ymgyrchu'r penderfyniad, a'r gwybod all yma yn y UK mae'r cyd-igio'r gilydd, ymgyrch, ymgyrch, ymgyrch i'r hollau chi, ond mae'r gweithio'r cyfnod oherwydd ond wrth gwrs mae'r wahanol, rydyn ni'n gwybod o'r wahanol, ond rydyn ni'n gofynu'n gwahanol, ond rydyn ni'n gofynu'n gwahanol, ond mae'r wahanol, ond nid oedd yn gweithi gael'r ddigon. Ond rydyn ni'n gweithio ar y dyfodol fel y cyfnod i'r dynnu? ond mae'r ddigon ni'n gweithio gyddyn ni'n gweithio i gael eu ddefnyddio i gael ei dynnu i gael a'r ddynnu i gael eich dynnu i gael. ac dwi'n gweithio ddiwedd fel y cyfletwch yn gyfer chynored y defnyddio mewn Cynedau Cynedau. Felly, dwi'n galwhau mewn cyfletwch? Roedd y c律 yn y meddwl? Wedyn ychydig y gallwch yn gweithio... Ychydig y緊 ar y ddrwsfod diwylltau ar hyn i contractu ac mae'r hyn yncredig o ddiddordeb o bai yw'r rhag o'r ychydig yna'r unig yw ddiddordeb o ddiddordeb o ddiddordeb o ddiddordeb, ac rwy'n gofio ddiddordeb ar hyn a gynno'r bod yna'r ymddangos hwn i'r hollllol sydd yma yn amlwg llawd o'r cas a dymu'r 20,000, neu maen nhw'n eth oedd, sy'n gallu dros cou o'r llwysau yn ffrin neu amddangos. Dwi'n ymddangos ein bod y ddarparwch yn amlwg i'r thaach o bryd, mae'n cymdeithasion oedd o'r llwysau, If you're, you know, injection molding plastic, that's just expensive to do, like initially there's a big up front cost of like five grand, ten grand, something like that to do all your tooling, and then after that everything's really cheap, but if you're only making like five hundred of something or a thousand of something, that's suddenly, you know, five or ten quid on your bill of materials, just for the bit of metal that you're going to use to squirt plastic into. So, like, can we look at different processes, different materials that might be available more locally, that might be expertise in more locally, that will maybe let you do different ways of approaching stuff, so you can do sort of medium scale manufacturing. So, why am I doing this? You know, why is it an important thing to do? One of the things that I did, or I do, is help run a makespace in Liverpool that I co-founded called Does Liverpool, and from there we're kind of trying to let people do things differently, you know, it's providing that space to enable people to kind of run at stuff, the kind of standard way of accelerates and incubates and all that kind of thing don't allow, let people just bootstrap things more easily, and you can know, you can kind of make one of pretty much anything with the tools that we have, and you can maybe make tens of things, and we do have people who've kind of got into the maybe hundreds of things, but by then that's lots of work and you tend to want to get somebody else to do it when you get to that sort of point, because it's, you know, it's a bit tedious, you don't necessarily have the tools lined up to do that kind of production run. And I really like this quote from Eliol Saran and about thinking, about sort of everything in its context bigger and stuff, and so, you know, one of the things we do when thinking, you think about a person within a makerspace, within a makerspace, within a community, in a community, within a region, and so on and so forth, and it's just thinking about what's that stuff that's kind of around the makerspace that will let us do more interesting things and, you know, tap into that kind of, you know, the community, the manufacturers. All that kind of stuff. And then the other thing is, you know, it's a very, very nice tweet from one of the guys who works out of does and is doing really interesting kind of open source water, like remote operated autonomous vehicles and sensing platforms. But the problem with that is that I don't scale. There's only me, and it's nice to, you know, there's a lot of knowledge in the makerspace when you want to make something that you kind of go, oh right, well we want to get, we want to get a load of cardboard cut, and you can do a little bit on a laser cutter, but you're not going to do hundreds of boxes. And so that's like, well, okay, yeah, you need to talk to Ross and Patrick, because they got cardboard boxes died cut down on the dock road. And that kind of knowledge is in the makerspace and in the community, but you need to know who's worked on which projects so you can go and talk to them about it. And if they leave, you know, if they move away, then that kind of knowledge is lost. So some of it's trying to work out how we can improve the bus ratio of like, you know, what happens if I fall under a bus? All that knowledge gets sort of disappears. It would be nice to try and capture some of that. It won't be as good as going and chatting to the people who've done it. So they're still always going to be the better kind of source of information, because it'll give you, you can have a conversation with them about what they did, how they found this kind of manufacturing stuff. But if nothing else, yeah, it means that we're not going to completely lose it. And we start to build up that kind of knowledge base. So what do we do? Well, we interviewed a load of makers, quite a few of whom are doing open hardware. And so that was just kind of working out, finding out what kind of things people were running up against, the problems they were hitting, approaches they were taking to kind of solving these problems. And we kind of published them on the website. We did a load of mapping, so we were kind of like, OK, are there loads of companies around that we don't know about that we need to just go and find? So there was lots of visiting industrial states and wandering around industrial states kind of, yeah, taking photos of little companies trying to work out what companies did, going and doing research about them. And then we were pushing all that data into OpenStreetMap because we thought that would be a good repository. It's like, oh, we're doing a load of stuff that's to do with mapping. Where do you put stuff to do with mapping? All right, yeah, there's an open source kind of movement for that. It's kind of OpenStreetMap. So we can go and start tagging things in there. And some of the suppliers and factories and so on and so forth are already in there. And so we were just adding some new tags to start to kind of record things like, OK, this is a place that does CNC machining of metal. This is an injection molding factory. This is a leather satchel manufacturer. All those sorts of things trying to kind of capture and have that as a place to kind of store some of this knowledge. And we also got a hands dirty. So we kind of figured that we can go and do all this stuff, talk to people and go round a map and try and find these manufacturers and talk to them. But often what we found in the past is that you talk to people like there's an electronics manufacturer in Liverpool and you kind of run into them at meetups and stuff. And they say like, oh yeah, we do PCB assembly and making products and stuff and we're just in speak down the road. If you're doing like hardware, you should come and chat to us because maybe we can make the stuff for you. And that's cool and you kind of think, oh great, there's some guys just down the road and that'd be good. I can support this local company. And then you go and chat to them and it turns out that whilst they can do this sort of stuff, you need to hit a certain sort of level of manufacturing before it's worth their while to talk to you. I mean it's not that the bad guys are disinterested in this stuff, it's just they've got a production line set up already that's making things to connect old bits of industrial machinery with serial ports to the internet. And tearing all that down to start making your stuff takes them some time so it's only worth them doing it if you're going to get like a thousand units made or something. So if you turn up going like, I want a hundred boards, they're like oh actually you know how we said that we really like and we can do this sort of thing. Yeah we could but yeah it's too expensive, it's not really worth anybody's while to do that. So the best way we thought to solve some of that which also had a nice side effect of letting me do a load of product development for my company was that we should make an actual product. Like make a few hundred of something because that would help flush out some of these issues and show you know see what was really the kind of the problems that we'd hit and what things that we wouldn't realise until we were trying to do it and things like that. And the RCA were really keen on this being action research apparently is what that's called where you don't just write bits of paper and stuff you get out and do stuff. So what did we learn? Like so this started basically at the start of the year it should have started a little bit earlier than that but yeah it was kind of January when we really got things going on it. It was a six month project although I think it was actually the end of July that it's officially finished and yeah what did we learn? Mapping is really hard. Persuading people to put stuff into OpenStreetMap is quite tricky loads of people know one or two places that you're challenging them about and they're like oh yeah there's those guys there's this little firm on the dot road and they make this amazing stuff and nobody knows that they're there and they're really cool and we use them for this. And so people are happy to share their knowledge but when it then becomes like yeah okay you just need an OpenStreetMap account and you just need to sign in here and it is really easy once you've done it once but there are just a number of little steps and getting over those little steps to actually do stuff is difficult to get people to do. There are lots of industrial states and it takes a long time to go around all of them. We were trying to work out at one point whether we should have some kind of testosterone rating for each supplier that we found as like how manly you had to feel before you felt safe going over the door. This is an actual photo from one of the industrial states that Andy visited and it's not the most welcoming of places and there's loads of knowledge within there that it's hard to work out whether it's like am I allowed in here. Are these people open to being approached by the public. Do you need to have been working in the industry for 20 years before they'll even have a conversation with you about it. And yeah this sort of stuff yeah it's tricky and working out where the people are is difficult to do. I mean we were looking at sick codes which seems to be how anybody doing any kind of research into industry stuff and how the government tracks all these sorts of things. And it's all an open secret that sick codes are a complete waste of time and useless pretty much because you don't have to report any sick codes until you've got a limited company so that's a whole swath of companies that don't ever report who they're what they do. And then no one really explains to you what the sick codes are so when I set up MCQN limited you know back in 2005 yeah I was like oh I need to put some sick codes in right. I'll search through this big list of loads of random industries and pick two that kind of look like they might be the sort of thing I do and I don't know what happens if I get them wrong and I don't know if anyone's going to check and you know and then what I picked in 2005. And I've each year I go and do my company's house annual return and I go yeah yeah everything's fine I haven't changed anything yeah yeah that's all good. Here have 15 grid right that's that job done with when I think I'm supposed to kind of go oh actually in 2005 I was just doing software and now I do hardware as well and bits of you know is there a sick code for 3D printing. Who knows I haven't gone and looked at them since then so that even for my company that date is horribly out of date. But there isn't anything better so like policy and stuff like that keeps getting built around information that's coming from sick codes that like the people doing it know that this is useless but it's kind of like this is as good as we've got so we're going to just use this. And I think we worked out that going around industrial states and just looking at stuff is like there's some value in that but you don't really learn very much about what the company's like. And there's a lot more effort to go into to kind of properly find out what the company's like some people are doing this sort of thing. There's a really good website called Make Works that Fee Scots has been running for a couple of years now and she's been doing this sort of thing but around all of Scotland. But also doing videos with the manufacturers and like it's an amazing website loads of really good useful information in it but it's also like more than a full time job for her. And we knew that was going to be the case going into this and we're like well there isn't enough funding and neither of us want a full time job going around looking fun to go around industrial states a bit. And it would be nice to have the time to do all the interviews with really cool manufacturers but I also want to have a maker space to help run and a company to actually earn a living from and I want to make product. So we weren't going to do that and so ours is kind of you know it was always going to be a bit more superficial and it was working out that actually there's value in working out there's a company on such and such an industrial state that does X. But that doesn't tell you very much and so what would have been better with hindsight would have been to spend more time trying to kind of find ways to make it easier to get the information out of the community. Because like I used so and so is just leagues ahead of there is a company there that does that because it's like OK you've got some experience you know whether they're any good or not. If you've told me that I should go and talk to them then they're worth going and talking to. And you know actually the software side of mapping is a bit tricky and we've already talked about getting data into open street map but getting data out of open street map isn't quite there yet. So this is a snapshot of the map that's on the India manufacturing website now and most of the stuff is around Liverpool because that's where we're based and it's easier to go and look at industrial states on your doorstep. And we found loads of companies but getting that data out of open street map. There are some really nice tools like overpass turbo and you map which can you can kind of combine to get live data out of street map. But they're just not they don't have the performance yet. So I spent a reasonable time playing around with that before ending up caching the data. So I kind of query overpass turbo every half hour or so to get. So this is kind of nearly live data from open street map. And just you know there be a few things that would make it. It would be really nice for the open street community I guess in general to find the time to make these tools just that little bit better. They're almost there. You can almost do some really nice stuff where you just going to hook this slippy slippy map up to overpass turbo and then it will just pull in live data filtering it on these tags and then display different sets of data for these are the different ways. We had different tags as to whether stuff was a factory or a machine shop which we were kind of thinking that's places to laser cutting the CNC machining places that will do a service where they'll take a bit of material and turn it into something for you. And factories are kind of things that produce finished goods and then make spaces and fab labs and then the trade counters one isn't visible on the map at the moment because that is a massive data set because that includes all the kind of. Little trade counters so screw fix and places like that and place where you can go and buy nuts and bolts and things and there are just loads of those in open street map already. And so turning that layer on requires a huge amount of data which I couldn't cash easily and so it pulls it from overpass turbo but it's a little bit slow. So there are some issues around that but hopefully it's getting better and there's scope to make it even better still. So does the UK not make anything anymore? That's not true at all. The UK makes loads of stuff. There's loads of little tiny companies doing all sorts of crazy interesting amazing things on your doorstep wherever you happen to be I'm sure. That just nobody knows about and nobody talks about and I don't know quite why nobody talk because they're doing really interesting shit. Finding things like oh yeah there's a company that makes loads of leather satchels in Heighton and they're just around and they're really cool. A making things takes a long time so the product that we're making is this internet connected bell and yeah like six months was always going to be pushing it to do like full on hardware product and surprise surprise it's not finished yet but it's almost there. And actually there's some truth in the UK doesn't make anything anymore like the kind of low cost components and sort of parts of things like we don't make that much we're finding this sort of stuff. Remember like the ESP8266 module that's inside the bell like that comes from China because there isn't anywhere in the UK that will make you a thing that's got a processor and Wi-Fi for like $2.00. In units of one and I remember I was CTO of Goodnight lamp a couple of years ago and we were looking at Wi-Fi at that point and we were struggling to find any work even in China that would get Wi-Fi modules for less than 12 quid and now it's like China's gone. Oh internet of things you want like a processor some memory and Wi-Fi and like not very much money. Yeah so we can sort that yeah have these things so that sort of stuff you end up getting from China bells it turns out the only places in the UK make really top quality bells that are really expensive because they're for like musical instruments and churches and things. And it's seen it turns out that India is kind of where bells are made like on Alibaba almost all the suppliers for bells are in India and Alibaba is kind of an interesting one going through that sort of thing. It hooks you in really easily because you can do search kind of you know and just start looking for stuff. But then there's actually a bunch of back and forth with the suppliers and emails and things and it's not as easy as it is by itself on eBay is but still it's amazing to be able to just go I've been with a web browser and some emails and I've gone and taken you know the I've swung massive supply chains into action just from my computer is amazing. But at the same time once you start to customize stuff and get more into this lots of value and be able to go talk to somebody and find out things from them. You know a map is just the start like you do mapping and it's like actually that just gives you the first place to go. I mean the best ways to go and find out how to make something in the UK is that pick the pick the supply that you think is nearest to what you might want to do and go and visit them. And they'll probably kind of go oh yeah we don't really do that but what you need we haven't got the right kind of bed for that and you need to go and talk to these guys and they'll point you at somebody else. And then you go and visit them and they'll go yeah yeah we we kind of do that sort of stuff but yeah we're not right but these guys are and you just kind of iterate and you can do it quite quickly. We bounce round a few different CNC wood places to then end up with one that can probably do what I need to do to CNC the wood for the frame. And you find loads of stuff out there but not it's not about the kit particularly it's about knowing the exact bits of it and you get that kind of information from people. Just going and talking to them. And you know all the support organisations they similarly don't have a clue everyone kind of thinks other council will know who all these people are and stuff or the local enterprise partnership. And yeah we know we work quite closely with them with the makerspace and actually they don't know they're using sick codes and they know that they're a bit rubbish and they don't actually have a list of all the suppliers in the UK. The manufacturing bit of the local enterprise partnership doesn't know how many manufacturing companies there are in Merseyside. And they want to help but they can't it's like really they don't really know how to and they don't know how to talk to people like us. And similarly we don't really know how to talk to them and work out what we want so that's difficult. And I thought open source hardware kind of would love a nice picture of Steve Palmer but you know people people people rather than developers developers developers. It's all about the people. It's about relationships that you're building with your suppliers and finding out stuff and you just need to find the right people and then you'll get loads more information and they'll push you loads further forwards with stuff. So what else are we doing with this? One are we finishing the product? Although the project is over I still want to ship product. That's partly what got me into yeah that's what we've been doing for the past few years is slowly kind of working my way towards this sort of thing. So in the next few months he says there'll be bells on sale go to that website if you want to sign up to find out when that happens. I've got some cards and things as well about both the project and the bell. If anybody wants one to take away. And improving the map like we've got this data set now and there's still loads more could be added to it and it's still it's quite localized to around Liverpool. It would be great to make it much bigger and much further across. It would be nice to find the time or to work with people to improve the open street map tools that there's loads of demand for things like this. There are loads of organizations doing kind of bits of mapping of stuff and they want to be able to having it where it's like well you just push the data into open street map and then there are these ways that you can easily pull it out and display it to people. Would be really really good and would really help kind of open street map or the organizations that are doing stuff help people find things just generally that would make the world a lot better. So it'd be really nice to work a bit more on some of those and I'm going to be trying chipping away at bits of that myself. And maybe finding a better home for the map at the moment it's on the Indie manufacturing website. But that's going to kind of become a bit of a I suppose a kind of an archive of what we did with the project and so there'll be some more interviews we still need to publish. There are a few more blog posts that I want to write about some of the stuff that we found out to kind of improve that but then after that that's going to be fairly static. And so actually particularly for the kind of map of the supply chain across the north because everything gets made in the UK really. Then maybe the UK Maker Belt Association website is a good place for that to kind of cover the strand across from Liverpool over to Hull. I'm not sure how far up it goes. I think when we asked Aaron it seemed to encompass large amounts of the north and get bigger each time almost. But maybe that's a good place for it to live so we can all start to share kind of what we're finding and make it easier for all of us to go through this kind of like oh yeah I've had this crazy idea and people seem to like it and now I need to get some stuff made and I'm trying to work out whether some of that will be locally. Some of it won't be but at least if I know where the local stuff is I can go and make it informed decision rather than just kind of oh yeah I read an article on Hackaday which points everybody at Shenzhen or something. And just in general you know everyone should be doing more making and then more manufacturing of things that they're making like I want more people like me that I can go and ask about stuff. And you know and feel free to ping me and talk to me and ask questions about things and then yeah more sharing about what we find how we're going to do stuff and then you know profit presumably. I need the underpants slide at the end and I thank you very much.