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I guess you would be premiering in about 15 or 10 15 minutes I just wanted to do an early pre pre broadcast. Excuse me pre broadcast To kind of like give everyone a heads up And we're going to actually go over to that channel When we are when when our show goes live with Jesse Jesse Lee Peterson There she is right there. That's my sister. Got to bring her back on. Yeah I remember I had her on we was talking about CRT and social justice She definitely held it down and I'm looking forward to her holding it down with Jesse Lee Peterson This afternoon, but please like subscribe share tag a friend tag a fellow Tag someone that you know would need to be a part of this Discussion I think it's going to be very very helpful. I do appreciate that some of you are familiar with who Jesse Lee Peterson is Yes, he is a conservative, but he is not a Christian He is not a Christian by any stretch of the imagination Some people have become surprised and amazed with that discovery but Jesse Lee Peterson has been one of those individuals who hides his his his beliefs until you and Him have a conversation and then he tries to surprise you he tries to suck a punch you with questions and He's no dummy He knows what he's doing, but he's not he's not too smart when it comes to the scriptures He's not too smart at all. This is the man who believes that Jesus Christ is not God He believes that the Bible the word of God that you and I have the 66 book which comprised the canon of scripture He does not believe that the word of God is authoritative. He does not believe that the word of God is God's word I'm not making any of this stuff up. He's made that claim known Very very often on his on his on his show on his broadcast on his channel The thing that concerns me is that he has people come on his channel who are pastors and ministers You saw the conversation that he had with Alex Pagani You would think that Pagani would have would have, you know Came with the truth, but of course what do you expect when people? Believe that they can kill demons and slay demons and and so forth and so on so very few people that I know Who were able to hold their own When they have been invited on on Jesse's channel To defend the faith those who have Who have come on there? He's pretty much have tried to embarrass and have tried to you know stump them and and and mainly It has been it has been so called pastors and people who are supposed to know the word of God But when they're when they're there with him seems like okay, you know They only don't refute the stuff that he says. I mean clear stuff that he says Regarding who Jesus is, you know, the authority of the Bible what makes a Christian things of that nature. I Was scheduled to be on his on his show last week. I believe it was last week. Yes Last week I was scared to be on it on his show last Thursday His producers contacted me and canceled Yes, and I mean, yeah, thank you sis for just for clarity for people unfamiliar She is not nor does she consider herself a pastor. She's a Christian and that is it So so sister Monique is not that individual But I have no doubt that my sister held it down when she went on on his show unbeknownst to her I believe some of the things that he was saying she was shocked and And some of you will be shocked as well, too So we're we're going to be going over to his channel in about five minutes maybe six tops and we're going to have a live summer cast a live reaction summer cast with Jesse Lee Peterson and And our sister Monique Ducan If you have not subscribed to her channel, it is called the Center for biblical unity I believe am I correct sis? I believe that's what it's called the Center for biblical unity Go over to that channel subscribe to that channel You would definitely be enriched you would definitely be encouraged and blessed by By the content that this is the produces And and puts out so again the Center for biblical unity is the is the channel on YouTube you can go there and And check it out there So but yes, I am yeah Center for biblical unity. Yeah, I was in I was Requested or you know invited to To be a guest on his on his show I Was ready to go as a matter of fact that I had reached out to them and and asked to be on and they said sure and they gave me the the show time and Gave me was going to give me the link to be a part of the zoom The zoom chat I mean, I was ready to go. I was prepared. I knew pretty much what he was gonna be talking about Because he has nothing new up his sleeves He doesn't and so I'm hoping and praying that That he that these people will make good on their word I mean what what what what good is it if you're gonna tell somebody you're gonna do something and then you Don't do it and it'd be different if it's if it's beyond your control now to be fair I spoke with Daniel Daniel was the producer. I believe Kirby from wrong mo. I believe Daniel was the individual I spoke with and I contacted them back a part of the week later And I was just was curious as one to know when will we be able to make this happen? And he said well, we'll we'll contact you. I said was there any reason why it was canceled at the last minute Oh, just scheduling changes. Okay. So here's what I would like for you all to do Here's what I would like for you all to do I would like for you the viewer if you want me to be a guest on Jesse Lee Peterson's program on his show. Why don't you pay him a visit on their channel when we go live? And summercast when when his show starts and just leave a comment And they're in their live chat. It's it's that his handle name is called the Fallen State and just say Hey, what happened to your interview with Seiko Woods? The BCV channel we would love to have you engage past the Seiko Woods and a robust conversation, I think we would be I Think we'll be you know entertained at least to say the least right so but he knows who I am and probably at the end of this at the end of this live once we watched the The show with him interviewing sister Monique do sign We'll come back and then I'll just play the clip on on his beliefs regarding the word of God the Bible and Where he gets his views from him and the Bible guy who by the way, they hung up on me when I was When I was challenging them 10 years ago 10 years ago Proverbs you said you asked last Friday and they ignored the questions. Yeah, we'll see I want us all to circle back If you all would like to have me on his channel Please please do me a favor flood his comments flood his chat With that request saying hey, what happened to the to the live what happened to the to the interview that you scheduled that you Agree to have past the Seiko Woods on Mean surely he shouldn't have a problem just you know taking on little me right so Let's let's do that. Let's all collectively come together and And see if he makes good on his on it on his word You know, they always talk about Democrats they always talk about, you know the left But I'll tell y'all I'll tell you before Again, and I said it in the in the description notes Being a conservative does not make you a Christian and that is clear by Jesse Lee Peterson and others being a Republican Does not make you righteous That's clear as well too by Jesse Lee Peterson and others a Person as a Christian when they place their faith and trust in Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of their sins and eternal salvation Recognizing that they are a sinner in need of a savior who is Jesus Christ the Lord But yes, so they have These people have a mixed-up view when it comes to conservatism and Christianity But I would love to have the opportunity to to come on Jesse Lee Peterson's the Fallen States show and have a conversation he can ask me whatever question he wants to ask me if I don't know I don't know but When it comes to this book when it comes to the word of God You're gonna be kind of stumped Jesse to try to try to trap me up and twist of my words and have me on the ropes or anything you say I'm not being arrogant just being confident Confidence and arrogance are two different things confidence and cockiness are two different things I'm confident in the word God because the word of God is my standard and by the spirit of God I'm confident to take on anything or anyone if given the right circumstances and opportunity It is what it is. I make no apologies for that But yeah, Janae, I would love to be on there. So like I said, there should be starting shortly Yep, starting right now. Let's get going over there and let's check it out I'll put it on mute for right now. So in this case any copyright issues go on but they have the little you have a little timer started So we're going to Have a live reaction to this To the show Make sure everybody can see there's no blockage in the comments. I'll see the live chat right there. All right And if y'all can still hear me good, I believe my sound is good It won't make sure y'all can hit me. Well, I just put the I put the mute on for Jesse's challenge until they until they start But if you can hear me put up a one in the chat on my end and again tag a friend tags the one So that way They can be a part of this this chat as well too. Thank you sis. I appreciate it. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you Thank you rolling Yeah, if y'all can go ahead and put a comment on Jesse's channel letting them know hey bring seco on next time What are we waiting for right? Let's do this Jesse Don't run. Hopefully he's not running. Let's get it started Culture polarized by race where conversations about race Justice and unity often lead to division strife and blame terms like woke white fragility or whiteness Have no place within the body of Christ and only cause more hurt and division Our goal is to bring practical tools to pastors and laypeople to walk out the ideals of racial unity and justice According to a historically Christian world view. So come along join us in the work We are doing at the Center for Biblical Unity You are a part of the family Welcome to the fallen state. I am Jesse Peterson. Thank you so much for being with me Remember that the fall estate is now on locals comm so click the link in the description to support our work and I do appreciate it You can also support the fall estate by becoming a channel member on the YouTube channel there some of you have done it already Thank you so much in advance. I have with me Monique do son She is the president and founder of the Center for Biblical Unity Monique, thank you so much for coming on Thanks for having me. I'm glad to be here. Yeah, it's amazing I saw a couple of videos very interesting and so I do want to cover some of those things as well But a little bit about you. What is the purpose of the central central center? for Biblical Unity the Center for Biblical Unity is Established to have sane biblical conversations about race justice in unity I believe that the church has a specific Role and way in which we participate with one another and that is not through the lens of the critical social theories But that scripture gives us our instructions for how we participate with one another and so when it comes to things like race Justice in unity we can have those conversations and we can do it from a specifically Biblical position a historically orthodox position and so that's what we do we I Am the co-founder actually my ministry partner is Krista Bontrager and together we produce resources content we do trainings and Plenary talks around the country just about what does it mean to do race justice in unity from a historically Biblical position? Right are you are so you are Krista? I am and are you are you considered to be a pastor or something or? No, no, I'm not I um the Center for Biblical Unity is a para church ministry And so we come alongside different ministries schools churches to support them in their conversations of race justice in unity But we strongly believe that A lot of this conversation should be happening From the leadership level of churches to be able to disciple their people in the ways that they should go But i'm not a pastor now nice. Um What's important to you? To me what's important is really what's mentioned in jude where it says to defend the faith once for all given to the saints And so as I noticed the critical social theories creeping into the church and offering what we at the Center for Biblical Unity would consider More of a like a gospel alternative or a competitor to the gospel We want to make sure that Christians are equipped to defend the faith once for all given to the saints And to be able to walk together in unity. And so that's that's what's important to me is You know, how do we as believers do this well so that we can shine our light into culture? I'm not so interested in bringing culture up into the church. Yeah amazing. Um, how does one defend the faith? Well, we first of all have to understand what our faith is what do the scriptures say about our faith specifically That means we need to read the word of god in context. That's right. What does it mean to to be a Christian? What does it mean to to follow after um, the ways of of jesus christ And I think we find we find that first in the new testament by understanding the life of jesus But then we can also do that by going back to god's eternal moral laws in the old testament for things like justice and righteousness What does love look like these are old testament concepts or principles that we see reiterated in the new testament But we first must understand the word of god in context to be able to even understand our faith I noticed that uh, white people are willing to have open and honest discussion about these things And the blacks say that they want to have it too, but they want to one-sided Discussion they want the whites to have to agree with them About what is wrong rather than backing forward to get and understand how each other think about things Y'all have to tag the fallen state. Well, I believe what you're hitting on is um What I would consider in regards to race and Unity two different approaches. So there's a racial reconciliation approach where you do find Many minorities saying in order for us to have unity You know white people need to do x y and z there there needs to be a limiting of whiteness or repenting of privilege All of these different things that have to happen You need to read all of these books and then when you've done enough We can come to the table and have some kind of conversation or reconciliation Model two says that there is biblical unity that is um That that comes to believers through the power of the holy spirit because of the work of jesus christ on the cross Now what I find is that there are Both blacks and whites on both side of the conversation. I believe that this is more Yeah, it was more of a conversation of ideology of which way do you See as being the way forward. I personally believe in the biblical unity approach However, I do agree that I would say like in public and on Social media and things like that. What you do see is this rise of black voices Like the lift black voices if you want to get to racial reconciliation And so that can lead people to think like oh, there's no black voices on the biblical unity side But I am one and I know others who are also on the biblical unity side where we we don't believe that in order for us to get To unity, you know whites have to do all of this work and blacks don't have to do anything But I also know whites who are on the other side that would say well, you know Because of slavery whites need to do All of these things and blacks don't need to do anything We don't see that when we read things like aphesians for what we see is that all of the work is for all of the people This is how we walk in unity together You were a social justice warrior at one time What is a social justice warrior exactly? What is it? She's holding it down So I think that many people would define like a social justice warrior through different different ways You know, some people would say a social justice warrior is someone who goes out and riots and protests and make sure that they are You know standing on on the the edge to make sure that black voices are heard Then there are people who say well, I'm gonna War or fight for social justice through policymaking or through Um, you know hands-on initiatives I did more of like hands-on initiatives. So I was working inside of social work To be able to help children out of poverty So I've done things like program management and working with homeless Individuals I have you know helped to create Internships for black youth so that they did not have to travel down the same path as their incarcerated parents It was more of the hands-on approach rather than the let me go out riot and burn You know our city down and things like that kind of approach I lived in South Africa for a short stand of time Doing mission work there but doing it from the position of let me help lift these You know black and colored children out of poverty through educational resources resources through You know mental health services and things like that But the goal which I think is more important than the actual work itself not to say that the work isn't important But we must understand that the goal of these things is revolution and emancipation And so as as long as you are Continually working for the revolution and emancipation of the oppressed people you you can be in either one of these sides And so when you were a social justice warrior, were you a christian at the time? I was You were a christian at a social justice warrior? It might be in conflict. Yes, but I did have faith in jesus um I you know, I love the lord. I knew some bible verses Maybe not in context, but I didn't know some um And I thought that everything I was doing was for jesus So when I say that I I knew the word maybe not in context. I knew mica 6 8 I knew jeremiah 29 11. I knew um You know certain passages in luke that talked about helping the poor and the oppressed and things like that mica 6 8 being the the bible verse where you should do justice and love mercy and walk humbly with your god And so I knew you know some verses, but if we look at mica 6 8 for example as the justice verse I had no clue or context as to what mica 1 talked about or mica 2 talked about And so I had my specific verses that I used to justify um social justice But it never clicked it didn't click for me that A lot of my social justice thoughts also bent toward things like lgbtq plus ideology or You know being um pro-abortion or things like that and so But those things are completely incongruent with the scriptures So yes, I I definitely affirmed the christian faith as a social justice warrior I don't um believe that I understood And so and so what uh when you were doing that kind of work as a social justice warrior both in america and africa What did it help was it did it work where people helped did they overcome their issues? I think that some people were helped. I think that some people were um, you know able to lift themselves out of You know the degree of poverty that they may have started and go up You know up a notch, but we have to remember that when we look at social justice The social justice reform that people are looking for is not necessarily But systemic and so while I can Applied an individual who is coming out of poverty or you know, who is making their way up that ladder The the goal is reform of the entire system Emancipation for all people not just necessarily I didn't bring you back on and so while I can like in south africa I could see schools on a trajectory to do more systemic work um regarding their students to um reinvestigate or reevaluate how they're doing All right, this is good how they're doing like test the standardized testing and things like that and would say Yes, that is a step in the right direction at that time Now I see it quite differently But the goal is again, it's not necessarily just the the emancipation of the individual while that's great The goal is the revolution and emancipation of the system What uh, what made you decide not to be a social justice warrior anymore? The lord um, I Got into conversation after I moved home in 2018 I started having conversations with a friend of mine who's now my ministry partner But we had conversations about everything related to race justice the welfare system um racial reconciliation Social justice and she held different a different view than I did now She's white and I kind of just chuck that up to racism overall But as I began to as well as we together began to have bible studies And as I began to pray and as I began to read Books of the bible not just verses of the bible. I began to see that I was wrong That you know, the bible doesn't uphold abortion that lgbtq plus ideology Is not you know in line with the scriptures or the scriptural narrative um And so as I began to notice that okay, I'm I'm off here or you know, that doesn't actually align On the other side of that I was also working as a program manager at a food pantry And I had an intern and she would come to school or she would come to work And then tell me about the things that were happening at her university in regards to black and white issues And so white students were told that they couldn't talk in class white students weren't great at the same white students You know, we're being picked on by other classmates and by professors for being white and told to renounce their white privilege and all of this And so I just started to really grapple with what I was seeing what I was hearing what I was reading in the word of god and eventually I Understood that this is not the way like that the scriptures actually do offer us a better hope for unity than what Critical race theory will offer us nice what what um What's wrong with the blacks? gosh It's I I'm hesitant to say that it is just blacks. Um, I honestly believe that what we're seeing is an ideology war between And not politically, you know politically conservative and politically liberal I think that there's just an idea an ideological war that's That we're right in the middle of regarding things like marxism and the critical social theories and all of that and a more liberal view of things like objectivity or Like evidence-based Things, you know, like and when we think about racism is racism completely systemic and there's this objective or this idea of the The bourgeoisie of proletariat now on a more cultural narrative or is it things like classical liberalism where we need to look for evidence where there's objectivity where um, you know, people can You know Shift throughout different class structures or you know, I can go from being in poverty To being middle class to being, you know, wealthy within a generation or two What I've noticed though is that and not all not all not all not all but most of the blacks Have gotten worse. They are angry they are mean They are blaming white folks for everything no matter what white people do for them. It's just not enough They are violent They are committing crimes for to be the few numbers 12 percent of american citizens. I guess they Commit most of the violent crime Yes, they believe that white people are superior to them So they call them white supremacy and it wasn't like that when I was growing up at all Nothing like that and I grew up under Jim Crow and all that and it wasn't anything like that But the blacks have gotten worse and nobody liked them now No one want to be around them because they are afraid of them. What's wrong with them? Why don't they get him because we have done everything we can do for them, right back in During the so-called civil rights movement. They wanted to Have eat eat in the white cafes and white people say, okay, come on in And then they want to live in the neighborhoods Then they wanted to go to the schools Then they wanted to live in the Communities of the white people and then they wanted to marry the white woman It just the white people give them everything and they wanted the white woman And so white people giving them everything but they have gotten worse instead of getting better How can the blacks be helped to overcome this fallen state? Yeah, okay So I think that actually when when we say like well blacks wanted all of these things I think that it more so than blacks just wanting something there was a shift into a biblical A biblical perspective, you know when we look in scripture And scientifically there's no difference between black and white on like a dna level The the idea of skin color is really just a micro adaptation. It it it's it's it's Something that is inconsequential when we consider the human race overall, there's truly only one human race and so to Think of equality to think that you know, if a white person should be it is allowed to vote Well, why couldn't a black person vote to think that you know? Marriage equality would be something that would need to be shifted under the law I don't actually think is wrong to fight for because there is truly only one human race and so When we think of the idea of like the civil rights movement or the civil rights era when people were fighting for what I would consider Equality under the law to me. I don't I don't see anything wrong with it I think that there needed to be shift where we can say yes as a black person There's no difference between me and the white person that I'm sitting next to Now as far as the civil rights movement was a good thing for the blacks or a bad thing I think that it comes There are points where I can say yes that this part of the civil rights movement was good But then there are parts where I can say, you know, this part of the civil rights movement didn't work out so well for us Um to say that it was a socialist movement It was never meant to set the blacks free It was never meant to unite the races But to divide them in order to become the leader of the blacks by selling them over to the democratic party And so I've noticed that since the civil ever since it happened the blacks got worse instead of getting better I do believe that much of the civil rights movement was Socialist I do believe that there were specific movements and in pieces within the civil rights movement that were not helpful Some parts of of desegregation were not helpful to black communities. I don't though believe that the entire Entity of the civil rights movement was all 100 negative Can you name one thing that was good that came from the civil rights movement one thing? Well, I think desegregation was a good thing. I think To a degree to a degree desegregation was a good thing the the idea that if I want to Shop at this store that I can legally be seen as someone who can shop at the store or the desegregation of the military That we I can if I chose to serve that I can serve, you know next to someone else, but I am I'm very torn on it. Honestly, like I think that I think you're right in the idea that a lot of it was a negative a negative but I do think that there were some there were some movements and pieces of the the civil rights movement that actually were helpful when I think of people in churches because The way that I see the the civil rights movement and I could be speaking under correction But the way that I see it is that as laws changed it also opened up a change of heart for different individuals To be able to reconsider how have I been living my life in a way that May not be in alignment with God's moral law. Let's deal with let's deal with the two things that you mentioned the desegregation thing When prior to the civil rights movement The fact that and I remember for colors on the signs and those things when I was a kid And but during that time the black didn't care about that Or if we couldn't go to a certain store the black didn't care because they do that As if you started your own business you have a right To have who you want there or not have and it didn't mean that you were wrong for doing that And so it was like I remember who we were growing up My grandparents used to tell me all the time is somebody don't want you at their house They have a right not to want you there. Don't get mad at them. They have the right and so And instead of trying to make the white man do what they wanted to do They understood and then people came together naturally because you can't force anyone to love you, right And so white people who had good hearts and black people who had good heart They worked together fine, but the blacks and the white who were angry. They did not work together uh, and as far as the military The uh Tuskegee airmen came about because they couldn't get into the military So they created their own thing and they became amazing They became really good at what they were doing because they couldn't just they want stuff wasn't handed to them And so all those things should not have happened because America would have come together naturally How do you know who had good hearts and those who didn't hearts it would have worked out We didn't need the civil rights movement. It was just a misuse of black people I think that's something to consider when I think of things like You know, who can marry whom in the fight for that? um You know who can legally sit next to each other and things like that i'm more convinced Me personally that Being able to under the law see each other as equal was not A completely bad thing, but I do I do agree that not all desegregation worked out for us or worked out for black people I think that when you look at the the errors of martin luther king It didn't it didn't work out well for all black people, but I do think that There are some things I can't say that the entire movement was 100 bad But that's just me and you know and and how I see it I do think that like as like I said that as laws changed it also gave opportunity for people to reconsider the motives of their heart Especially believers believers who may have you know at one time been a part of all white congregations or congregations that were Against civil rights movements because of true racism within their congregation not because of you know Hey, this isn't our place to speak into this but truly because of racism in their hearts I think gave people the opportunity to say, you know Hey, if the if the laws are changing, you know, maybe there should be a renegotiation or a shift in my heart But I mean I've heard that before too about the churches, but when they have Segregated churches no one thought of them as segregated churches, right? Normally birds of the feather flock together black people like being with black people white people like being with white people It was just comfortable. It was easy and it wasn't about racism and I remember when Uh, the civil rights movement first started and when it started period The older blacks were not for it. They knew Martin Luther King and those other guys was Just using the blacks for personal gain And so they would tell her hey don't don't get involved in that mess Be your own man. Be your own woman. You don't need somebody to be over you And I guess the the blacks who lived in the like Montgomery city area The younger blacks and others they got involved with it But the older blacks was like the older white people. They knew it was a mistake It was like the kkk trying to get you to join it It just it's up that the black it was black people instead of white people I do um I do agree that the older generation Both of blacks and whites were kind of like hey, you know, this isn't necessarily For me they had their own thoughts on it But I also know of many, you know churches that were completely racist where it wasn't just about we don't want to You know in Iran because this isn't our place to speak but because of that the heart attitude because of the motive of the heart that was You know steeped in what I call ethnic partiality And if that is the case, you know I think that when as laws changed It could also lead to the two certain heart attitudes changing and bringing about other conversations The black churches was racist too because it was just all black for a long time. Were they racist? No, I think that I do I do I do think that While many black churches, especially in the south where while those parishioners would not necessarily have gone to a white church or Been able to have been able to go into a white church because of a lot of the racism I do believe that black churches also had, you know, held racism racism is an issue of the heart It's ethnic partiality and slander and hatred And so I'm not going to look at a white church and say well, they're racist and look at a black church and say Well, they could never be racist I honestly believe that racism because it's an attitude of the heart can be found in any community In any congregation Do you believe that racism exists? I do And now it depends on the definition of racism that you're using So if you're using the definition of racism from, you know Previous or prior to this new definition the old definition being it's an attitude of heart. It's an individual issue where Um, you know, someone may choose to join the kkk or someone may choose to join the black panther movement and and have, you know issues toward whites and hold this Ethnic partiality in their heart with hatred and all of those things Yes, I believe that racism exists and I believe that it always will exist because we are sinful humans And racism is a sin now if we're looking at More of this current definition of racism of prejudice plus power I am not in favor of that definition because that means that people without power can't be Can't be racist I personally as a christian don't believe that there's a sin that someone cannot Commit if they are inclined toward that particular sin So and and the jury's out on this So you would have many critical race theorists who would say well because you're a minority because you're black You have no power. You can only have racial bias Or you can get someone someone like ibram candy who says well I don't believe that you know blacks don't have power and so blacks could be racist The bottom line is that racism truly is an issue of the heart. We can talk about systemic issues But right when it comes down to who do who can I like personal personally Present hatred toward and ethnic partiality toward and slander and all of those things anyone Can be racist regardless of skin color as a christian you believe racism exists She just said you that and does god I believe that what does the scripture say that racism exists? The scriptures do not specifically say do not be racist. No doesn't say that racism exists The scriptures say that sin humans are sinful and so if humans are sinful there isn't a sin that would be Left out so and when you ask if the scriptures say that racism exists The scriptures would talk about racism in regards to things like ethnic partiality the way that we understand race and talk about race today The scriptures really don't talk about race in that regard the scriptures talk about nations or ethnicity And things like that but to talk about race the way that we do in 2023 america would be an agronistic to What the scriptures are talking about the scriptures talk about people groups think of like Abraham from like or of the caldeans, you know, he this this gives us insight into How close he was to the covenant with god or how far away he was What was his what was um like the region that he came from it wasn't specifically talking about black white Hispanic asian-american it wasn't it wasn't That isn't that isn't how the scriptures refer to people if the scriptures did mention You know someone who might have dark skin It would be no different than saying oh the tall person over there or oh the short person over there It wasn't Speaking of race the way that we understand race today. So no there's no scripture that says Um, this is racist or do not be a racist But we do see many principles in the scriptures that tell us that we shouldn't hold ethnic partiality So I said I shouldn't treat someone with favoritism because of the color of their skin or lack of favor Because of the color of their skin. So i'm black and slow. So let me So There's a scripture say racism exists period. Oh my gosh, bro The scripture does not talk about race the way that we do So in order for the scriptures in order for me to like affirm or deny That the scriptures say racism exists. I would have to then anachronistically insert race into The books of the bible and I can't do that. So what I can't say because i'm time here and i'm black and slow It does the scriptures say racism exists God I can't I cannot say that the scriptures do not say that the scriptures do not refer to race The scriptures refer to ethnicity. So is that a yes or no? bro again, uh, mr. Peterson to say to say that the scriptures say racism does or does not exist the scriptures don't refer to race And so no the scriptures wouldn't say racism exists because it doesn't refer to race the way that we do And so as a christian, why would you use the same language that the children of the lie the children of the devil used? They used the word racism in order to cover up the hatred of their hearts And to work on behalf of the devil to worship the devil Why would christian use the same language that the children of the devil used like the word racism? Well at the center for biblical unity, we usually use the word ethnic partiality For your audience because ethnic partiality is not something that is a widely used term I would use the term racism But I also define it and an offer caveat to say it is ethnic partiality mixed with hatred mixed like ethnic hatred Ethnic slander it is not to To use, you know sociological terms I believe one of the things or issues that are present within the church today is that we have adopted many of the Sociological terms from culture or from the university and education system And we have imported those things into the church But truly the scriptures do not talk about race the way that we do So does the scripture say we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against spirits and prison polities and wickedness And that our battle is a spiritual battle. It's not a physical battle at all But it's a battle between good and evil doesn't say that Yes, it does tell us that our battle is spiritual So as a christian why don't why don't christians say that Rather than saying what the children of the lie say because when you call it racism You're covering up the devil and most people never going to look at themselves to see that they have their hearts are wicked And they need to be born again of the heart But if christian called the devil for what he is Instead of using the devil children words you can help more people than because they are more likely to look at themselves Well, I honestly think that why do christian used the same word as the children of the devil Well, I can't speak for every christian, but I do think that there are many christians who have adopted the critical social theories I think that there are many christians who have adopted You know a a narrative that comes from academia one I think that there are You are christian and you're using the word racism Instead of a battle between good and evil because the black used to notice and they taught us that too Is that the right or wrong? It has nothing to do with color at all is egos and of the devil Why don't christian you for example, why don't you say that rather than racism period? Well, I think because I want to also communicate in a way where people can understand what I'm saying And so as a believer part of my my role when we look at Matthew 28 19 is to go out into evangelize And so if i'm only using words that are understood by other christians I will be missed by those that i'm that i'm really trying to reach Yes, it is a heart attitude and it is a sin attitude And I want to go in with the gospel and I do go in with the gospel, but I can't make my speech so Come on so lofty I miss the people who i'm actually going out to minister to or to bring jesus too And so when you ask christ didn't use the words of the devil And christ didn't use soft words to try to reach certain people His he just spoke the truth and those who were seeking Could hear the truth and overcome He didn't use words like racism or he didn't use worldly words Mostly, but didn't even understand what he was talking about so he didn't change his language Just to try to reach everybody. He only was looking for those few that was seeking him Right. I don't think that it's about changing my language. I'm not I am not It let me let me put it this way We don't use the king james version of the bible in many churches today Why because we also understand that there is something to being able to reach people with language So I have to use the language that I that I have to be able to explain to people and bring people along What I don't want to do is just cut off any possibility of being able to have a helpful conversation That can bring someone closer to the cross or closer to jesus and so to To be clear when I say racism I often offer the the understanding of this is what I mean by racism It's exactly what I did here in my conversation with you when you said why do you use the word racism or do you believe that racism exists? My first word was well It depends on what you're referring to Because I never want to mislead someone into thinking that as we have shifts in definition That this word here racism is the same thing as this word here. It is always important to be clear I cannot defend the faith once for all given to the saints without having clarity And so as I completely agree with you That we need to one have clarity and two We do need to be using the language of the scripture and understanding that this this war that we're fighting Is not just a physical war, but I cannot use such lofty speech As the Pharisees did in the new testament that they would go around praying and using lofty Preach as paul talks about or even as jesus talks about that people will not understand Right didn't use get them fancy words He didn't he he didn't try to use certain words To make sure somebody understood it. He just spoke the truth And he spoke in what they call parables And he didn't care if they heard it fine if they did fine Those who were seeking him was able to understand it and most he even said, you know It's the few that's going to find this and understand my language most will not And so he didn't change his language just to try to pull somebody to the cross I disagree when he spoke to the Pharisees He spoke in parables when he spoke to the Samaritan woman He spoke plainly when he spoke to the people who were I get called pagan or or or Gentile that would be a better word when he spoke to the Gentiles It was plain. He said suffer not the little children come to me. He went and made it plain He made an easy access so that people could understand There is a way made back to the father when he spoke to the Pharisees He spoke in parables and language that they did not understand because their hearts were not ready to receive That's not true. He spoke to the Pharisees Because he understood that they were preaching the bible and carrying on But their hearts were wicked and so on the outside they presented themselves as children of God But on the inside their hearts were wicked, but let me do this because of time. Yeah. Yeah, because you get busted You get busted. That's why what is a christian? You identify as a christian apologist. What is a christian apologist? Apologist an apologist is simply someone who defends the faith it comes from the greek word apologia and And it's just it's simply a christian who Really seeks out to defend the faith once we're all given to the saints as mentioned in jude And so my goal is to defend the faith against the critical social theories that I see coming into the church I was speaking of the church Was it a bit mistake for For the churches to allow women to be preachers and teachers and Chiefs of study classes all that was that a bit mistake for the men to allow the women to do that He got bodied on his own for the center for biblical unity We are we don't take a a firm position on egalitarian versus Complementarian understanding that people who support our ministry or people who follow our ministry Lie on both sides of that spectrum. And so at that point I don't From a ministry perspective, I will not, you know, give my personal comment because this is definitely a ministry opportunity So I think both people both people follow it. I mean there are arguments for both sides of that And do you believe that it's God's order that women should be in leadership role? I believe that there's There's president like you can see junia or Other junior in the new testament Who had like a church in their house or you know that paul refers to you know, greed This one who has a church in her home and things like that. And so I think that that That could give warrant for that But like I said for the center for biblical unity, that is a secondary issue in regards to Or maybe secondary isn't the best word But that's not an issue that we take a firm stand on as a ministry regarding my personal opinion Because this is a ministry opportunity in which we're talking. I'm not going to give my personal As a christian, why don't you why if someone asks you should women be a leadership role? And being a christian and I'm assuming that you know the order of God Why not answer that for the person that lost and might not understand If a woman should be in a leadership role, why wouldn't you say yes or no? Like I said, I believe that at the center for biblical unity We don't they ask you that person not put Not but if they saw you walking out of role or they saw you on the tv show and they go You a christian Should women be in leadership role? Well, are you I guess a qualifying question? I would ask then is are you talking about an elder role? Are you talking about a role as a pastor? Are you talking about someone who leads women's ministry? Are you talking about someone who leads children's ministry? I think A better question or a better way to look at it or to frame it would be to consider What are the gifts and talents and offices that the lord has been able to Providentially assign that we can read within within the text of scripture That is another way to be able to look at it. Well, let me ask you this way because I'm tired When women created to lead or to follow I honestly think that you can give warrant for both. So while a while the scriptures talk about You know a man leading his home and things like that does not a woman also lead her children Does not a woman also can can she lead at work? Can she you know offer contradictory in for or Another way to think of of a scenario with her husband. I think the question itself appears To load it not too black and white But it doesn't give a full spectrum of the the truth of scripture and what is revealed in scripture So do you believe in the order of God? 100% and what's that order won't you tell us jesse? Again, if you want to talk about order I think part of what you're talking about is fear sovereignty and so if you're looking at What does the family structure look like? I would say that you have a husband and wife and you have children And there is an order by which the husband leads the wife and Together they serve and lead the children. I think you see this in genesis So this is a very genesis conversation that I think is repeated in the new testament But what is the order? What is the order kind of woman lead at work and and where in other roles? Can a woman serve or you know being a position of leadership? That's gonna one be dictated by the role that she's in let me ask and where she's at The order of God God and Christ Christ and man man over woman and woman over children Uh, do you believe in that order given to us by God? That you don't yes, I do believe that God has established the family unit as established by Men and women and children. Yes, even if they're not if the man is not married He's still over the woman. He's over all women because of the order of God In a married situation is personal husband and wife But men are over all women Because that is the order of God. Do you agree with that? You know what? I can't say that I do agree with that I would need to I probably need to study the scriptures on that a little bit more. I think that That that Just leads to other questions for me because as a single woman Um, does that mean any random man is now over me? Yeah, like I I would I would need to you know have specific word of God Bible study in context to be able to affirm that When Christ walked the earth was he over the whole earth? Christ is God But was he over the whole very different was he over the whole realm or dominion or um, um No, I have a question first. Was he over the whole earth? Mr. Peterson, can you maybe help me understand where this line of questioning is leading? Well, we're just coming saying now about the whole thing the spiritual saying and what's going on in our In our country because I've noticed that christian they tend to not really Tell, you know, they don't put the truth out there so that those who are lost can find their way And I've noticed that as a result of men not guiding the women in the right way to go the women are going out of control when we all know that Women were not created to lead that they was created to follow And when they're not guided in the in the homes by their fathers Or in the home by the husband if they are married or in the schools by by male principles and teachers That the women go out of control. Have you noticed that because they don't have that leadership of the man over there Whether it's a husband or not. Have you noticed that? So when I think that you I think But first have you noticed that then you can come and have you noticed that when women take over Everything you go to hell in a handbasket. No, bro. No, I don't I don't think that that is 100 percent 100 percent universal capital t truth Why not why not? Because of things like sphere sovereignty because of the individual because of human autonomy And so what does that mean sovereignty and autonomy and I don't know what that means. What? so sphere sphere sovereignty would look at what sphere the person is in so when I choose when I when I use the word sphere sovereignty I look at things like the family unit Or the unit of the state or the unit of the church and I I kind of see them in spheres and what falls within that bubble So under sphere sovereignty Will you get that from how you come over that sphere sovereignty thing? Well, gosh, it's a term that I've heard. I'm in seminary. It's a term. I know I heard in class Don't listen to the teachers. They wrong Let no man teach you I don't I don't know that that is always the No, it's always true. Let don't let know who you're going out of wrong path. But let me ask No, no, no, no, no. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on because you've made you've now entered a personal note about me personally So let me address that personally To say that I am going down the wrong path is to make a moral assumption about me when you don't know me Come on, but you might have seen information about me online But you don't know me and so to say that I'm going down the wrong path You would also need evidence and data for that mr. Peterson I am sitting under the leadership Of a seminary where the word of God is taught in context and so let no man teach you Sir, I will I will offer this that when Christ said let no man teach you if no man is to teach me should I not Should I not read the words of paul? You should I not to remember them let him go in one ear and out of other and the Holy Spirit would bring all things to Your memory you have a teacher with them But if you let an out of person teach you you're going to be going out of wrong path and intellectually You know about God, but you can never know God through the intellect You have to overcome the intellect because the intellect is of the devil. It's the ego I believe that as I sit under the tutelage of people who understand the word of God in context that I am able to be Discipleship is a concept that we see in scripture to be a disciple means to be a Someone who is being taught and so I cannot simply disciple myself Even though I do have the power of the Holy Spirit that lives within me. We are also called to discipleship discipleship is a very um, but women are not disciples Right that That actually isn't true. Mr. Peterson. I I apologize but you know for for needing to offer that correction But there were women who also sat at the feet of Jesus But they were led by men They were led by Jesus They weren't over your words were that no one that I that there weren't women disciples And I just have to but they were not like disciples. They were just Handmaids for Jesus, you know, they were like a big deal. I completely disagree with that Let me do this because of time though. I understand I'm running out of time But I have so much I want to talk to you about um Do you believe that Until the woman is born again of the father. Oh, let me ask you this first We're talking about the order of god and christ christian man man of a woman a woman over children And I remember before the civil rights movement in the with the blacks That order was there for the most part the father the mother and a matter of fact It was an embarrassment to have children out of wetlock, right? Because they knew the order and so as a result the kids grew up with better manners They were in control. They were trained to work for themselves and not blame anyone or anything but then when the man was Taking away from the home by the civil rights movement and the government The women went out of control and for the last 70 years They have been only producing kids who are evil And not any that was that are good Because the head of the woman was taken away and the woman needed the man to guide her in the way to raise the children because they are not They are not able to Do it on themselves. They needed the man So have you know what have you noticed that as a result of the man being Not there any longer the women went out of control and now generation generation children are out of control What I believe is that with the entrance of things like the welfare state And things like no fault divorce and you know Things that have made it easier for people not to get married what we have statistically seen within the black community is a rise of single parent homes of you know parent mothers who Are raising kids something like what 71 percent? Of black kids today are being raised in single parent homes I think that's a problem. I think without the leadership of a father and the partnership of a father There are more issues within the black community So you just proved my point then because of the head of the woman wasn't there It's easy to bring the government. It is easy to Change the laws and everything because the woman does not have The protection the light of the man shining on her so she cannot see the right way to go So yes, those things didn't happen and are still happening But had the man been there those things would not have happened I think that that's partly true. I think that human autonomy also plays a part though. So I cannot say Human autonomy means that I have a choice No, so if if I if I as a human individual a human person created in god's image I know right from wrong and I have the choice to be able to say I will not sleep with this person I will not fornicate. I will not I mean like if I am going to to date someone I'm going to date with the intention of marriage that I will not Use drugs. I will not choose violence. These are also things that are very important within the black community earlier You mentioned that um, you know black crime rates and violent crime blacks The black violent crime rate is skyrocketing when we look in, you know, inner cities and places like chicago and detroit and philadelphia and Places in birmingham and things like that. We do see violent crime rates. You know where that is, right? I I honestly believe that part of the women are running those areas For the most part of a large part of it is the absence of fathers But I can't I can't put that all rest my case Fathers it is also due to the choices that people make No, just it's due to the women not being able to see the right way to go because when they were little girls Their mothers turned them away from their fathers and recreated them in her image, which is hell And because the father didn't stand between the mother and the children and keep her from doing that to them And when you turn children away from their earthly father, you turn them away from god Do you agree with that? No, I don't why not. Why don't you agree with that? Because I am the product of a single mother Oh As and and so I think that I prove you wrong No, but let me ask I am the product of a single mother and if if I believed your story and your narrative Then I should either be pregnant strung out or whatever The the point that I'm trying to make is that you cannot make universals about these issues But let me ask, um If um Can you love god and resent your earthly father? Yes, how's that? Well, no, no, no, no, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. Hold on. I I believe that you can I would definitely say you can struggle part of part of your Your definition of children was that they they were these wicked children, right which classified An entire because but you you classify an entire group of black children as being wicked Not all but most those who have fathers and closer than father They're doing fine, but those who didn't and most didn't they're wicked. That's why they're so violent But let me ask can you love god? What do you do with the the father's child who isn't violent? Can you love god and resent your earthly father? I think from a biblical standpoint There's scripture that would say that if you hold hate like how can you hate the one that you have seen but Love the one that you have not seen I probably need to think a little bit How can you love god and who you never see and resent your father your earthly father? So can you love god and resent your earthly father? Mr. Peterson, I'm not I'm not I think I probably if I'm honest need to think more about that. I think that it I think while it's easy to say that it's a black and white. No, you can't love god If you hate your father, I think that she did okay. The vibe is black and white. Bye. I said no, you can't I know and and I well You think this is again like I would I probably need to like think about that a little bit more before I definitively say that you know This is this is the black and white truth for all people It is for all it said that you can't love god And hate your earthly father. That's for all people and to say some people It's there but your your context is that these people are wicked because they don't have fathers I don't hear you saying that So what do you do with white people who don't have fathers same thing? Okay Do I need to save whites in order to mention the blacks because the blacks The blights are leading the way in destruction because for the last 70 years and so they have not had fathers They only had the influence of the mother which is evil, right? And so they've gotten worse and now that started to happen to the white kids because They don't have father evil. I cannot say the influence of a mother is evil. That's your personal But it's not good. Do you agree me that women don't have love? What No, I don't agree with that. Wow. Are you saying they do have love? This dude's an idiot. It depends on your definition of love. Do women have love? What is your definition of love? Uh, I didn't not hate it. No anger I see why if you don't have anger, you have love Do women have love? I do believe that your definition actually is skewed because anger I think it's off Because to say that you have That if you have anger you cannot have love, right? Can you show me a bible verse that says because anger is of your father the devil and love is of god God is love and satan is evil. Anger is what would you do with the bible verse that says be angry But do not sin. That doesn't mean the humans fall and say anger. Anger is uh, is uh, The anger that Somebody screwed that up by putting that in the bible because it just seemed to me to people And the bible has been written so many times over and over again I'm sure that word is misplaced or something happened along the way And people are taking it as Emotional anger and they'll worship in the devil Thinking that they'll worship in god because god is love and in him there is no anger And if we're sons and daughters of god, then in us there is no anger because the spirit of anger is of the devil That's why when you go and forgive your mother when you go and forgive your mother for imposing her will on you Turning your way from your father You go and forgive her then god would take that spirit of anger away from you and give you his nature Which is love, but do you believe that god is the same yesterday today and forever? Yes Then what do you do with the old testament god where it says that the anger of god burned against them? I'm sorry the wrath of god burnt It says in the old testament that the wrath of god burned against some Like there were people groups that that the wrath of god because of their iniquity It burned against them that it was his anger that burned against them. So if god is the same yesterday today and forever What do you do with the the god who has experienced anger if anger is god did that? He had to do we have the new testament now We're living those who are boys of the father living in the new testament not the old testament I gotta put you on the hot seat because time is up again, but we're gonna have to do this again Do it with me I would I will end with this that god is the same yesterday today and forever and his moral his moral law Does not change. So while I am not saved by the old testament I can look back to the old testament to understand parts of god's character and to understand how I can live today Let me give me a quick yes or no on this because they are telling me Uh, do you believe that the god above is the man's god and the god below is the woman's god No, I have no I have no idea what god above and god below means the god in heaven Is the man's god and the god in hell is the woman's god Y'all hear this fool. So are you asking if satan is the god of woman? Yes No, but that's that is that is that is I would Venture to almost say heretical like there is no precedent in the scripture for that But do you agree that you can be a quick yes or no? And I got to put you on the hot seat here Do you agree that when eve listened to the serpent and no longer could listen to her husband adam that satan became her god? Do you believe that while adam was standing next to her? No answer me that first Allows her to be I'll let you ask me that question But I don't understand when eve listened to the serpent. Did he become her god? Mr. Peterson, I do not understand what this has to do with the conversation of race justice and unity that I was It all combined, but let me tell you that I got to put you on the hot seat I need you to answer these questions as quickly as possible. All right I cannot answer these questions because one these are This this has nothing to do with the conversation that I was these are fun questions As quickly as possible Fun for who all of us you're gonna have fun. You're gonna love them. So I need you to answer these as quickly as possible, right? Oh, I will I I will not can I will not Consign myself to to answering. Well, let's do the best that I may not feel comfortable. Absolutely. Go ahead Yes, he is bro. What is love killing this fool God is love do women love do women have love to give Definitely is America the best country on this out of heaven that is a personal belief and I think that Every cult every culture every country has something to be celebrated and something that can be damned Do we need more? Yeah, do we need more white babies? Me more black babies, bro. I think human life is valuable and so human life We need more babies overall We need to stop aborting children across the board regardless of ethnicity. What's the trinity Created by man or was it created by god get this idiot? God himself exists in um three persons father son and holy spirit Uh, are the ufo's real? I haven't studied anything about ufo's. Oh, I'm getting your facial expression. Has anyone ever told hot bro to beat you? That's funny. That's funny for real I don't think grandpa will want to beat me Is it wrong for a black man to love? The confederate flag Ludacris did Kanye did interesting question. Um I think that there was a point in time when I would have said like Just objective like of course, of course a black person doesn't love the confederate flag at this point I'm not so sure. I think that people have individual choice And they're they have varying reasons and so I do know some who will argue for The the the case of the confederate flag who are black the same way that there were black slave owners and so At that point. I'm not going to assign a moral Good or bad to If you love the confederate flag. Is it ever okay to call a woman fat? Oh, I'm just I'm getting all these gifts Have you ever told someone how to cow ate the cabbage? Stupid question. No, I've never heard that For real Kevin. Uh, should black people be allowed to call each other the n word? You put that next to me Last word would Jesus Christ is is Jesus Christ the son of god or god? Yes Jesus Christ is god and the son of god Jesus christ exists Um He serves as part of the god head, which is triune And so he is in within the triune god head. He is the son of god Did he ever say that he was god or did he say i'm the son of god? Yes, he did Believe he referred to himself as the son of man, which if you read the old testament would have um made him equal with god And i believe that there He references himself as god Yes, he does did you have fun This has been very interesting. Yes Thank you so much for coming on tell the folks how to get to your website whatever information you want to put out there Yes, so you can find us at the center for biblical unity dot com You can find us on facebook at center for biblical unity instagram center for biblical unity or on twitter at biblical underscore unity And we also have a curriculum called reconciled and it looks at the believers um reconciliation the fact that as believers we are reconciled and that there is nothing more a White person needs to do or a black person needs to do in order for us to be in unity together But that biblical unity is truly the way forward Thank you so much for coming on i totally enjoy that and remember folks that the father state is now on locals Dot com so click the link in the description to support our work. I do appreciate it and check out our merch Amazing merch. Thank you so much for coming on. I appreciate it and thank you all for tuning in amazing All right, y'all We're gonna be done with this she bodied Jesse lee peterson There is going to be a warrant out for monique doosan's arrest for beating up an old man She bodied him she definitely took him to work you get airhorns and applause You handled your business. Well, well done. I am so godly proud of you. You handled this sis I a she definitely did her thing. She definitely did her thing Salute big ups to her. I'm gonna tell you right now though. I'm gonna tell you right now though, sis I'm gonna I'm gonna take this video I'm gonna take this video and every facial expression especially when your eyes bucked out your glasses I saw the whites of your eyes Outside of your glasses when he was asking them stupid asinine questions Oh Yeah, yeah, yeah you listen your this video right here somebody need to send this to bagani somebody matter of fact Y'all y'all listen y'all need to send this to bagani. You need to send us to ruse line those two Because see Man, listen, this is blueprint right here. This this this is the blueprint right here. This is the blueprint This is the blueprint monique. You did your thing give this sister her flowers y'all Give her a flowers top side. She handled her business She handled her business He tried to throw everything at you and and your pauses did not show confusion Your pauses was like, wait a minute. Is this is this is this new series? To the point that even while you know, I can't even answer that question right now because I'm not even I You know, I know I can't even answer that question because I'm not even even sure What you even talking about so you definitely handle your business He won't bring me on He won't bring me on. Um, I was supposed to go on last week. Matter of fact monique. When when did they call you? They had me scheduled to be on his on his uh on his show on the 9th It was uh last week. I was scheduled. I was scheduled to go on his his channel on the 9th Yep, I was scheduled to go on his channel on the 9th and he and the uh his producers by the name of daniel Called me the day before and um Uh, yeah, alan part two yet. He'd be sent into alan part two. You're absolutely right. Yeah, but they called me the day before man Called me the day before and uh, as a matter of fact, email me the email me didn't call me the email me and uh told me that Uh, we were at the cancel the uh, the uh The interview We'll get back to you. That's what he said And so I was like, wow, really I said, okay I said, well, when when is that and uh, I didn't hear from him I didn't hear from him. Excuse me And um, and so what I did was I called them back The following week matter of fact, I called them when I found out that uh, that sis was going to be on that uh This week and so I said, uh, I said, okay I said, well, just wanted to follow up with you all I said because you cancelled the interview just want to know where you're gonna be You know, when am I be coming back on or we'll we'll call you when we're ready to bring you on Okay, I said when will that be? I did I said when I said when will that be? um I believe it is working now um Because I I put the link there was some for some reason YouTube has not been entering the whole link on my bcv merchandise But if you go to the description link below this video, you should be able to you should be able to log in or should be able to uh to connect to the uh To the bcv merchandise Uh, because I made sure that I tried to you know, I tried to uh update My links for some reason it was it was a few of them that were not showing the the entire link But uh, but monique man, you you handled it you handled it like a straight jig um You said his producer screens me Yeah, I mean The most likely they probably did because this ain't the first time I had had a conversation with jesse lee peters As a matter of fact jesse lee peters was on my broadcast 10 years ago and um When he had made the stupid statement about him not believing that the bible is the word of god and jesus ain't god I said wait a minute, you know, and then we ended up having to run out of time after he got off the phone He got off the phone and so I had called his show And asked for him to elucidate his point and uh, he and the bible guy Were were on and they were talking about reading from the reading from the apocrypha Reading from the apocrypha He probably he probably did kick me off the chat They probably did They probably did um But yeah, so Yeah, I did I sure did say okay. I did But I would I would love to go on there I would love to go on there. I mean, you know, I mean be a man of your word Be a man of your word and um And let's get the people what they want, you know, don't don't don't run You know I'm saying I mean why why would you even you know actors though um You're gonna you're gonna bring somebody on and then and then you know tell but you know how that goes um Oh really really Where at does he have a link? Does he have a link? If he has a link, I would love to see what he's talking about But if he's still holding to his foolishness like holding on believing that the apocrypha is is uh, is inspired with the as the word of god is Then I want to see him too Uh, but yeah, send send me the link man if you uh, if if there's a way for me to see his stuff and how's he how he's exposing Jesse That'd be cool. Just email it to me. Seiko was a yaw.com But anyway, but but monique you you handed it you handed it just Like I expected you to do and you said this was two weeks ago. Okay, so okay So yours yours was two weeks ago. So it was a week before he had that contacted me. So again, I don't know why Um, hopefully hopefully let's see Let's see if they make good on there on their word Okay, you gonna send it to me on facebook uh messenger. That's cool. Um, but let's see. Let's see if Jesse's gonna make good on his promise Because I was ready to go I was I was ready to go um But uh, but monique and christa are y'all still are y'all still in the chat I wanted I wanted to I wanted to play something for y'all because I'm not sure if y'all heard this before um Most of most of uh, most of my listeners have but in case you haven't I let's listen to before before I end this live But I'll I'll say this to you as well too. Um I mean this out the way What is this? What is this real quick? Um Yeah, so okay, I don't know if you heard this before but I'm gonna play this audio that I had this 10 years ago and um This is when I heard you on I heard you're gonna be on his on this on this channel. I said I said wait a minute I said apparently They're trying to trip my sister up because I know you you never told me about you knowing anything about this cat And so you you said nah, uh, you didn't he tried to he tried to set you up. So Let me play this um, let me play this clip Um, and some of you already heard it but for those who may not this check this out. Good morning. Good morning Good morning. Yeah, great. I was uh calling. I had one to clarify a question that Was was uh was stated about adam to eve and satan Yes And this is for the bible go to guy Yeah, okay. I wanted to clarify. Did you say that adam that eve asked adam? Um, why was satan so angry? Oh, he did. Oh, so you said eve asked satan himself. Okay. Uh, do you have a scripture to support that? You want? Yeah, what verse is that the book of who? Oh, it's not it's not in genesis It's in my bible. What bible is that? Oh, you have the apocrypha. Okay. Okay. You in the apocrypha Some of them were left out It's in the book of jude Right in the book of jude my question my question and the books adam and eve are very compelling books I think they should have actually been added in Yeah, but they weren't why the founding fathers didn't put them in Well, they they didn't because it did not pass the test of canonicity So therefore my question my question is and i'm asking now according to them Well, well the them the them that we have is comprised of those that there were the uh, the church fathers that uh, that most, uh, biblical scholars Excuse me You said he didn't pass the test of lancy where they made up for opinion It was not it was not based on opinion Another group of uh, intellectual preachers who went to school though. I didn't know a thing Well, here's here's the here's the question. I wanted I wanted I was willing to ask because uh, um, Do you believe what he's saying about? Our statement so mad No, because the bible doesn't support that and and and the person that's speaking to you I don't believe it because You don't see that in the bible Even though, you know, there are some things that were missing from the bible Well, what we what we most that are not missing well, we what we have You can only believe it if you see it in the bible. That's the only way you can Well, you know what I what I believe just is what the bible is with the bible question I did I am asking the question if it's not in the bible, right? It's not in the bible. I don't believe it So what are you so knowing that all the bibles are not that are not printed Right, well, well the bible the bible that that I have as a Protestant minister of the gospel is the bible Oh Okay, and that and that's how the call and that's how the call ended That's how to call in the ladies and gentlemen just like that hadn't spoken to jesse lee peterson over 10 years Because he's not trying to see me He thought he thought monique was going to come on that show and he was going to drag her That's what you thought he thought that he thought that she was going to Just take whatever he said And he wasn't going to skull drag her by her braids And he ended up getting body On his own live By a woman by the way A black woman You know one of the blacks. Yeah, one of them one of the blacks. Yeah, one of the blocks jesse In the flush As he says I thought flush was a toilet, but that's what you do with a toilet, but anyway Um This is this is One of the reasons why I I realize Yeah, yeah, I said, okay lord. I said, okay I I see why they they don't want me on and now of course. I hope I'm pretty god that The lord and his sovereignty allows My path to cross this man And and to come on his channel Not i'm not being braggadocious or arrogant. I I do believe my sister handle her business I mean Excellent strong j Strong j Strong j She handle her business She handle her business um As as a as a pastor and minister of the gospel. I want jesse lee peterson I want him Because he has made a mockery Of the christian faith. He's made a mockery Of men of god. He's made a mockery Of what pastors are supposed to know And it's basic stuff It's basic stuff I I think uh to my knowledge um Who was the who was the one that was on there and I see his face He's from arizona long beard white guy. He does street preaching at abortion clinics Y'all know what i'm talking about too um, I heard he was on jesse's Channel I haven't seen the haven't seen the the uh the show Or the broadcast, but I heard he was on there and um Jeff derby that's it. Thank you jeff derby so I heard he was on jesse's channel. I'm not sure how long ago it was but Of course, jeff had supposedly had held his own. I wouldn't I wouldn't doubt that he did um, but for the most part Particularly amongst our black preachers. They go on there and they just fumble They go on there and they fumble the ball. They don't they don't add they don't answer clear questions They don't and then they don't hold him They don't hold him to the fire and keep him on the ropes Like monique did I mean Yeah, I want to see that. I'll look it up on youtube. I'm pretty sure it's up there somewhere. I'll look it up But uh, yeah, I heard that he I heard that jeff, you know gave him that work with the gospel and um But yeah, but I believe that's what makes his channel. I believe that that's what makes his channel popular Is when he get when he get preachers Passes on there on his channel and he stumped them with basic questions from Pagani to To the one that was on there before uh, monique was uh, two weeks ago Uh, pastor giro johnson I mean, I'm not I'm not I'm not throwing shots. I'm just making just making it making a point It was it's I'm like it's embarrassing, man Yeah For Pagani to be afraid to say that slavery and abortion is wrong. I'm like he didn't want to because he's a coward He's he's a straight up coward And I definitely believe Charles that he picks he picks the people that he wants that he knows when I answer this question That's why yeah, I'm not gonna hold my breath. I mean it would have been nice And most likely they went on my channel And saw my one of my latest lives that I did with his with this, you know image on there and um And I make I make no apologies for that none I mean if you if you all that would you say you are then you should be able to you know Take anybody that you invite on your channel. That's why I look at it So but anyway That's all I wanted to uh wanted to share I'm glad I was able to to watch the live reaction with all of you And get your thoughts as well too, but once again monique you handle yourself Very well Very well To my knowledge your your video interview with this man should be the blueprint On how to respond and answer a fool unless he be wise in his own eyes And you I believe you handle you Balanced you did the balancing act with proverbs 2645 with grace with truth With with excellence and you will steal a woman and you will steal You were still real about it and I got to give you I got to give you your flowers for that You got to give you your flowers for that You know I'm saying I I I love to see our people when I say our people I'm talking about All people I'm talking about the body of christ our brothers and sisters It does me good to know that we there's a remnant of brothers and sisters that can hold their own That can hold their own And sister you did that You did that today You did that today and I I thank god that Even though you said that there are some things that they edited out We got the meat of it. I mean if if what they edited out is like this Oh, yeah, yeah, I don't blame it I don't blame it for cutting some stuff out because you you was Yeah, I listen all floral arrangements for the peterson family. You need to send it to his channel They listen, they should be playing taps And boys demand is so hard to say goodbye. They should be playing both boys and men and coulee high Yep, they should they should they should be they should be playing mariah carries one sweet day Yep, she was playing all of it She was playing all of it every every sad song Every sad song because she she Bidied them She bought it. I mean you defended the gospel you defended the faith and you defended your integrity. I mean beautiful trifecta beautiful Beautiful absolutely beautiful. So anyway Um Yeah, this one is you can see these flowers, sis. Why don't you receive the flowers? Um, you you you did you did what god you did what god equipped you to do The lord was definitely with you on that day He he definitely was and I I am I am glad and and golly proud that you are on our team I'm glad I really am you knew your you knew your you knew your word and you knew how to answer fool. I mean, this this is just real Just real And it's ironic that this this is the same food that does that does not believe the bible is the word of god He does not believe that jesus himself is the lagas that he is the word incarnate And written But he wants to try to quote scripture man get out of here get out of here with that foolishness. Yeah Yeah, I can say I probably won't go on I probably won't go on I probably won't go on But it's okay. It's all right. But anyway, like this video ladies and gentlemen share this video Again, oh Go over to her channel. I'm not playing Y'all go over to that channel. Y'all go ahead subscribe to her channel Monique whenever you finish with your uh writing assignments or whatever You know, you need to come on over back over here so we can uh so we can reunite So we can talk about this this massacre so people can actually Hear your words after that beatdown have a press conference with you and say, why did you beat that man? I'm like that Shoot you told harpo to beat me. No you you you you told monique to be harpo That's right. That's right. That's right. Shout out big ups to sister christ uh sister christa Again center for bit center for biblical unity y'all Center for biblical unity go over to the youtube channel. Please like subscribe and share the content again This is what it's about ladies and gentlemen It's about supporting our brothers and sisters in christ if we are able to do that Then that's what we should do That's what we should do matter of fact, we're we're commanded to Support the body. We're so we're commanded to lift up our brothers and sisters and to be there for our brothers and sisters In whatever shape form and fashion that we're able to do so again Um, I'm I'm just was encouraged. I was just encouraged This is this is uh, this was a blessing This was a blessing Good absolutely. Yeah, everybody else need to go over and support the channel And if you have not liked and subscribed to this to this channel, please do that We have a new video on love life and marriage My wife and I we responded to the to the Russell Wilson and Sierra. I noticed I'm tell you right now. You have your discretion advice. You've probably already seen it anyway, but we we gave our commentary to it man, we didn't just talk about Sierra We talked about the body of christ. We talked about the women as well too in the body of christ Because there's some sierra's and some russles in the church and we need to deal with that as well, too We need to do that. 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I haven't found I haven't found a current soror but I have found a uh a current frat Well, most of them have been all former But nonetheless, I want to have this conversation. I believe we need to have it I believe it is something that is very important in the church today And I believe a lot of things that we see going on in our church has have no biblical basis for what so ever This is because of tradition. It's because of what we you know been doing for years so Uh, we need to have biblical precedent for why we do what we do Especially in god's house since he's the one who sets the rules for what goes on in his house We're quick to talk about women preachers But we don't want to talk about fraternities and sorrows And all these other activities that have nothing to do with the gospel have nothing to do with god christ Or the holy spirit. So let's have a conversation about it. This is not a jab against anybody Yes, this is an issue that I have been, you know Wanted to address a deal with it 10 years ago, but it has now come full circle again And so there's no sense in me just holding off on it I want to address it but I want to address it myself from a pastor perspective But I want to bring people on both sides of the isle Who are current and former and let's have a respectful robust Conversation, let's just keep it real, but we can keep it we can keep it righteous and Then let you the viewer decide and make a spirit of god bring clarity and or conviction To the hearts of whoever it applies to And that's it. So But yes, please like this video. We definitely appreciate it again. Love life and marriage with the woods And we definitely thank you so much in advance for that. All right, ladies and gentlemen, that is my time I thank you so so much for yours You all have a great weekend. 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