 Happy birthday Kalki. Hey How does it feel seeing your naked father? She's an actor it doesn't matter. I need to clarify. He's just changing his shirt Why'd you become wow that accentuates your breath? Just the way you like it Corbin look at my nipples one two three happy birthday cuz no one did it with me One two three Happy birthday Hey, welcome back to our stupid reaction to you. It's I'm Corbin Rick and you follow Sunday Instagram and Twitter Juicy content. It's so juicy and today is the 10th and that meaning it's Kalki Kaiklin's birthday Did you know her last name? You know look at the spelling of her last name there right there. Yes. It's Kaiklin Interesting. Yeah, it's a cool name Kalki Kaiklin. You know who she is right? Well, I don't know you do. I'm not sure. Yeah, you look in between your father's no no no I'm talking about Reference in terms of where you've seen her before because you have but This what we're reacting to right now is a conversation between Kalki Kaiklin and Anya Kashiya. Oh cool Interesting about this They were one's husband and wife say What this is then they weren't this is post Their divorce Wow And so and this is just a conversation about acting in craft and so are they I'm assuming they've worked on stuff and I don't know if they've worked on stuff since then. Yeah, but I know they're this interview is after and so they're Amicable people sure well, which is great. That is great My parents famously famously in our family because it's our family Divorced when I was three and they've been good friends ever since I've never seen my parents fight my my ex and I are friends too So that's how it should be. Yep, but so this is a little conversation between them I thought that'd be really interesting does I'm really looking forward to this phenomenal director Tastic director phenomenal actress. This should be a lot of people listen to it. Here we go Okay, yeah Anurag Kashyap a filmmaker and Asian provocateur Joining him is Kalki Ketla an actor activist and writer Now we've had acquaintances friends and even childhood friends on the show But this is the very first time we've had former partners in the house And I think this is going to be an invigorating session Anurag, why don't you pick the first question for Kalki? Why do I hate I don't know I'm here to take you on a journey with two minds unlike any other It's not a no limit to their creativity. Oh, I love the other rule breakers And no makers Are you curious to know how they think so am I? Let's find out what makes them go beyond This is cool. It's an interesting concept. I like it. Just a concept. I did How do you balance the artist in you with the brand in you the celebrity who pushes out fashion products and red carpets I don't know. I don't hear you. I'm aware of the band You know, yeah, the other day I was thinking like I was walking from like a friend's place in Marine Drive to NCPA and like on the way like Taxi driver is going Kalki Nimish was with me, you know, he's a designer. He was like You don't realize that you're famous. I'm like, no, I don't know. I don't know. People want selfies and all that But they think that you like having the same even three cars and stuff, you know Like not that I have a swift and you know, living Mahada and stuff So it's it is a strange world thing, but you also have the same issue You know, when I met you, you had rickshaw Didn't have time Yeah, but how do you balance it? How do you balance it is like as as you get more and more busy I have to constantly remind myself to start back at the beginning. It's it's the same thing as buying more products It's like suddenly you you feel like you need these other things But you don't need and it's the same with doing ads and doing all this other work, you know Like even your today your social media your Instagram and suddenly you're doing all these other things and you're like wait a minute What about Reha's rehearsal warming up my voice going back to like what I used to do Why I'm acting, you know, so it's like Just taking all of those things away Switching off my phone, I started doing this a lot and then just with a new with an empty slate starting to work Oh, yeah, so this has become like castle about because I think I Like I've always been very talented, right? I feel I said what I think But I also realized that anything can be taken out of context and put out there, right? So what I started doing is letting my work speak for itself like I make something which comes from, you know Personal experience or something then you're putting out a work Which then people can take home listen to or watch and then react to personally in their own way without the pressure Being right or being wrong again, of course, you have to think of it from a practical part of you. Yeah, there's money. There's House there's family to look after all of those things but apart from that I Don't really my my ambition is not to have three houses and two big cars and I Have everything I need already in terms of material things more than enough So now it's it's about choosing and wanting to do things better and never understood the need for that Which is how do you need them? No, don't you feel I want to ask you how do you manage to not be mediocre? I am immediately, but how do you manage to keep fighting it to the director? I feel you have to be so much in charge and at the same time you have to delegate trust to everyone It comes with the job Pick everyone up and push them to get the people and how do you do it for yourself me? I But I've stopped trying to evaluate myself whether I'm a doctor or good or better or best or very bad That has helped me a lot. I just know just to take I realized long time back. We had a lot to say and we exhaust what we have to say on social network So I started to keep off social networks. I have a lot to say Somehow finds my way to work Those chairs You go through so much with so many of your films your first film punch never released Black Friday was stolen for years I remember reading that you were heading to the premiere in a new suit And you got a call saying that the film had been stored yet again. Wow You said that you went back into the room and didn't come out for three whole months But eventually how did you learn in the words of Carrie Fisher to take your broken heart and make it into art? I don't think I'm any other way. I just put everything into my film You know on my hands everything just finds its way into my work Yeah, I've been like that Since I was born Only thing I learned from Like that is to stop waiting that whole thing of wanting to show to people that you want to film maker I am and what I have to say that need Went away with past never leaving and like fed him forever being in the loop. I think now when I finish a film I just Deliver it and I start on my next And I find fresh things to say The problem comes is around the least time when they're into use and people ask you questions Yeah They brought you and broke you broke you and then you say it again and before the film comes out You have a headline my last interview just not if he was they asked me a so How did you manage after discussing and run like how how are you managing? When it was years ago, right? Wow What are what a strange, you know, but that's what a crazy thing to think a person can live like After the boys Going into a hole in shame The question The question is always catfight me and rich up because we don't feel we have catfight like 90s question You know like come on guys. We're so over that now. Nobody has catfights anymore. It takes time to grow up Yeah, I think questions should come after the work Comes out. Yeah, exactly. It makes more sense. Yeah, next. I Choose my one What do you consider your Biggest personal victory But I can live with myself. Oh What a great answer. Yeah, I think at the end of the day, we're born alone. We die alone We better be comfortable with our self and who we are Yeah, this is my biggest eyes in all my life I've actually Emotionally been very Vulnerable and I've always seeked out support in like, you know, a strong human And or or some or someone but I tend to have this thing of attachment and it's very strong And I think that the last few years for me has really been about finding that support in myself and Not being dependent on one other person or two other people, you know, like yes using the support system around me my friends my family and You know people who love me but not putting all your you know, all your energy I think I think that that is something that is true a lot. So I think she speaks so well That's something that has been wonderful. I actually enjoy coming back To my own space coming back to my alone time Every month in a while when things get too much. It's like really important for me and that that has been Yeah, it also shows in a lot of your Poetry and your work and yeah, yeah, she's an artist Done easy Okay We're good Piyush Mishra has said that you're married to cinema. He said that Vishal Bharadwaj is an organized person But you're a self-destructive person Until you destroy yourself. You can't create something. Hmm. Is this true and what does it mean? Oh What a spooky episode What do you say to that? Yeah What can I say? No, I I don't know if I can I don't agree with him. You don't have to destroy yourself I think that what is it of course? I don't know Me and Piyush, we have had lots of discussions and arguments about things. I mean he actually believes it But I don't think so. I I think you're that competition. I go through or like I put it in my movie That I often do my films Changed midway through shooting and I'm going through a life change. That's that's very true. Ending of the indy change While we were shooting With the script was not written as a happy ending boy. We come You destroyed the film But then also Do you feel that you can relate that It happens organically. I think it happens organically. I don't In your own life, you feel like if you don't have drama you create No, I don't I know I don't I don't create drama But many a times I I really feel that Somehow I I just my weight of dealing with things is put it in the movies Like no smoking was my way of dealing with all the bands and censorship. I just put it all on there I camouflage it sometimes and don't camouflage it interesting But uh, I don't think I destroy myself to create. Yes. I'm not organized I don't think you destroy yourself to create what I do. I try with kiosk No, I no, I mean you're very you're you're sorted when you're on a film set. Yeah, absolutely doing Yeah, yeah, it's chaotic and but you're able to like really Yeah, I'm at this kiosk very well beautifully and you have a great sense of Spontaneity and you just make things happen even when they're going wrong You take use it for the best of of the scene and stuff, but I'm wondering if you If that bad sense of Belonging that you feel on film set when you come back to life for reality, you still live in your head and how much Like I live a lot in my head. I'm more at home On the film set absolutely at the festival, right? Right in the movie world Right. Yeah, so it's like that has become your reality and that has that often kind of clashes with my actual reality That's the conflict that I Get into a lot But when I'm traveling for the festivals I'm watching going from movies to movies and somehow kind of That literally becomes my life safe place. Yeah Yeah, I think that when when piosh or me or any of our Those love you have like said statements like he destroys himself It's not that you want to destroy yourself But you live for that reality and for that world and so we feel like we're just characters in your film He probably directs like daniel elu's act That's the job Yeah It's not like that, uh, I think that's my way of surviving My way of my way of dealing with pieces Like how I need that aloneness with myself. That's your yeah, my way of surviving is that because when I'm dealing with things I put somehow somehow find my way into it when everything is going fine. I yeah, that's when I don't know what to do That's when I really don't know what to do when everything is just according to the script And like a lot of my friends I actually all of my friends that tell me you should not be given budgets to make movies Because when I am given budgets to make movies and I'm given everything I don't know what to do with it when I'm given nothing then I actually create You want to tell me what to pick or should I pick pick I'm not telling you anything anymore Yeah I'll be creative What exactly is your creative process? Are you an instinctive actor or do you prefer to come well prepared? When do you find the time to write? I'm not mutually exclusive. No, they're not at all Not more than creativity than writing and acting. I know you have a yeah, she's a full-blown artist at every level Chakul artist You do sketching. Yeah You do so many more things Talk about what you've all ever created Yay one skill You do so much. I use a lot of those little things on daily Yeah, yeah, origami Yeah, yeah, I can't keep still for very long. I need to be doing something or the other I remember doing margaritas in the store that You constantly on a wheelchair and I had to carry you down Yeah, I prefer doing that I prefer doing that. Yeah To the loo I remember if you used to get up, you just picked me up. I can't work. That's awesome Yes But yeah, yeah, so I like to prep love to get into it and research it I think I'm a geek like I love reading books and I'm finding out about the character I remember another preparation that you did used to do then Which was like much more harder than margarita with a straw That yeja vani adivani dance But you just could not get right. What's in that moment? Yeah, some Yeah, it's not And then what motivates you to write or do you find time to write? I don't find time to write. I find it the most difficult unemployment How do you find time to write? When you articulate about things There's no inspiration like the deadline for what I do is I Commit to something like last month. I was a Spoken word festival in Bombay So I committed to it. They advertising. They put my name out. They said I'm doing it I had anything you better create something like 13 days before the show and I was damn stressed I was like, I can I can never write and I have no talent Very fun and then it came at the last minute. It's like forcing the birth of a child But you're not pregnant. It's like I'm gonna do I'm disciplined writer I'm not I I don't call myself a writer because I don't think I do it as a daily Exercise, but I do love it and I feel the only way for me to do it is to push myself Put myself in a situation where I have to write. You have to your turn Do not play with my heart I have the two failed managers led you to become a better man Oh I don't think I was a bad man Why I've learned so much more Marries is a lot of commitment It is yeah, I think marriage is yeah, just You have to make an effort to make it work. Yes. Yes understatement. Yeah, that you know Two people come together and it works out But yeah, it's a lot of work. It's also she just wants to hear what you just said. Yeah, scary I don't know I have the two managers failed managers helped you become very revealing. I think I've become yes I've become more understanding more tolerant more I take and give more space I know that when you're dealing with a whole lot of things outside, you don't have to bring it home Yeah, she's like I was lucky But everyone I think has to learn from every field I understood the importance of taking holidays So much more Healthier and happier than I am Important stuff Yeah, so much going on. Everything doesn't have to be cinema. They're all thinking of the exact same thing. Everything is still cinema. They're not talking about Sleep with it in the bed anymore Yeah I'm a better person now more livable person. I'm like I think you were always a great person. I think I'm a hard of cold But maybe like, yeah I don't know much No, I think I know I am a problem. I was lazy I was very lazy. I I would Come home and just sleep Any outside of cinema, I didn't know how to do conversations Which I'm like getting better at probably I think you were quite talkative In the beginning In the beginning here with this, I don't know. I don't know how to answer that question because You answered it, I know. You're like very interesting This is the end Well, that was a good one. Thank you. In Indian, yes How does the United States? How'd you tell you I loved that and at first I was like, this is such a weird format, but I actually love it. I do too because You couldn't fall back on the host to stop the silence. Right. It's just there. You have to figure it out Yeah, that's a it's a great format for that. Like the the interview can ask the questions He wanted to ask. Yeah, but you like you can't just be like, uh, and then they can't reset the question Yeah, it's like your doctor's talking about acting that they do where it's just the two of them And so there's nobody else there to media. It's it's a great format. Yeah, it's a really great format and also To see two people that were once husband and wife You can see so much history going on just behind your eyes No littlest looks that they give each other and it's great that they're they're Amicable and they're they're the friends. Yeah, but you there's history And they both know that history and they're not talking about it, but you can see it. Yeah, you can see it And it's wonderful and they I loved it and it was I thought the questions out were asked for really good questions They brought out and also since he wasn't there they had to expound on it Yeah, normally they'll just fall on the like give a little answer and then the Interview will try to get a little more out of yeah restate the question a little bit Give him a little something to work with being in front of the camera. You feel and there's no host you feel a need to Fill the space with noise. So it's not just that's I think an interview tactic is they'll just They'll ask a question and the person I entered and then they'll just sit there Yeah, and then they'll make them it is and the thing you have with this in regard to their being no host And them having a history and relationship is I could feel that they both at times forgot That what they were doing was being filmed and was a show and they're like, oh, yeah Yeah, which is the point. Yeah. Yeah, and you could tell that she's a lot more comfortable in front of the camera I think uh-huh, but that's pretty common with directors They both kind of typify the actor director persona in terms of the fact that the directors He seems to be the kind of guy who's who's very much self-aware But doesn't take that self-awareness into something that he would share with you comfortably And and is even not too sure he wants to know things about himself Right and admits it versus an actor just like sustain his little world Exactly and he's like, you know, there's things about me that I don't know that I want to know Yep, I know they're not right and I hope they and I hope they get fixed and I hope I'm getting better Whereas the actor is like Swim me apart Here it all is even the way they looked at each other He had a lot of things that I could see some He doesn't have a lot of walls with her, but he's got some walls that she doesn't have Yeah, and I don't fault him for it in any way. It's just their personalities That's who they are and I could I could relate to both of them. Oh, yeah big time. Oh, yeah Because I'm I'm an actor, but I'm not I'm not as open as these two You'd be very much like I love directing as well That's like my first love is acting, but I would totally go into directing because I like being in charge No, yeah, what a shock. I know that's weird, but it's uh, it's I thought it was a really interesting conversation and also just glad I asked me Do you think you're two failed marriages? I love both of their reactions to that. Please answer that question. He's like, oh She just sat there and was like, what are you gonna let that do my friend? That was great, but she both of them obviously we've seen their work and see their personalities or people that you'd want to Work with first of all and then she she never ceases She always continues to be who I think she is and impressed me and she's just the quintessential artist I bet her work ethic is off the freaking charts when you work with her. I bet she's a joy to work with I bet she doesn't tolerate laziness Uh, I just I think I would I would love to sit down and talk and work with both of them. Yeah, I'm kidding. The big time Yeah, uh, just just talk about cinema talk about artistry and it was everything it was it was a weird question when he asked, um Are you a very prepared person? Like what's your creative process? Those can go hand in hand. Yeah Robert Williams can be the most prepared person in the world, but he can also be the most spontaneous person in the world. Yeah, just It depends on what you're working on when you're working on, you know, why you can be so spontaneous Spontaneous spontaneous. Yeah. It's because of how prepared you are. Yeah, and you know Wait, that was one of the most that was one of the best most profound things I've ever heard you say Yeah, it's the truth about it's the truth about being able to be in a scene and improv in the scene Yeah, that improvisation isn't gonna have its fluidity and its freedom until you know your stuff first Oh, yeah, you gotta know your stuff because you have the preparation you have to get in order for that You can't just improv improv and it doesn't work for the scene Your improv has to work for where the scene is going and you got to know the scene. You have to know your stuff You have to know his stuff. You got to know everybody's stuff. It's not mutually exclusive. No So I don't really like that part, but I enjoyed the if there's more interviews like this is how I want interviews to be Agreed and I understand for people who aren't Actors or creatives in that regard they want to know What is this thing? It would be like me talking and I have felt this way sincerely when I see somebody who masters Like building a car Somebody who's who just who can do really well and loves doing Math, you know No, I sincerely when I watch people do that like even watching someone do repairs on something as simple as if there's a plumbing mistake Watching a plate. That's not your area. Yeah. No, you just watch you don't know how to build cars For them, it's like they Blow it off. It's like well, I just studied it and anybody can do it. I'm like, no not not anybody can do it My friend. Yeah, so people who ask those questions. I understand when they're like, what's your creative process? They genuinely want to know like what's going on and how do you do this? Right? But yeah, that was great. Love that. I love this. Happy birthday Kalki. Yes You look beautiful. Yeah, and you're such a talented talented artist I can't wait to watch more of what you and we're gonna get into him in a big way I trust me because I'm so excited