 The lead to the show has to be Odell Beckham Jr. being traded To the Cleveland Browns and I know that we're here as the quote-unquote experts And we're gonna make sense of it all the biggest names in football have no idea what the Giants are doing I just want to read you a paragraph from a really good story on ESPN.com by Bill Barnwell I'll take one paragraph This has the potential to be a franchise resetting trade the sort of deal that gets everyone fired and leaves fans muttering for decades About what could have been the Giants have never had a player like OBJ before now They don't have him or much of anything at all Peter King said this right now is an expansion team with Saquon Barkley So how does it go from giving the guy a $90 million five-year extension in August to trading him for something that is less than breathtaking deal wise I don't understand what the Giants are doing. It doesn't make any sense I am not gonna sit here and tell you that Odell Beckham Jr. is the perfect player He looks like he's a pain in the rear to manage But boy can he play and if I'm gonna trade I'm not saying that trading them is the wrong thing. I Probably would not have signed him because nothing's changed since you signed him because you could have picked up the fifth-year option Instead you gave him a big contract with a big bonus and you know what you got yes last year you pay 21 million dollars for 12 games that he played and now a 17 million dollar hit on their cap all they had to do pick up the eight million dollar option Franchise him and then trade him and none of this would be on their cap and they wouldn't have spent all that money What are well a doing a giant fans have every right to be outraged? Okay, this organization is a complete mess But targeting last night is the reason you you're off a year. This is all because of last year The mistake of last year of bypassing the quarterback in the draft Being all in on 2018 to give Eli one more kick at the can Giving Odell the contract to make him happy drafting the running back so that they had more of an explosive offense, okay? Being all in in 2019 put you in the situation that you were in last night Because by bypassing the quarterback now you got to find the quarterback and the way to find a quarterback is the draft Higher than where your six is so you've now got to get a selection in this trade 17 and hope that San Francisco will take the six and the 17 So you can get the second overall pick and draft Haskins or maybe Murray if you can trade with Arizona to get the number one Because you now have to find the quarterback that you passed on last year And you gave Odell the contract because you were all in on last year so now you're forced to do all of this because of the Indecision and the way that you looked at last year and was all wet and all wrong on it Don I hate your guts, but damn it if I don't respect you But that's that's where we're at because it's true This the only move that can make sense of this now Was them stacking up a couple picks that they trade to try to get Haskins and then you go Don't worry the fans will calm down once we've gotten a quarter because now they did it reverse of the jets Where the jets get their quarterback and now they get their running back What the Giants did is they took their running back in the hopes of getting the quarterback But look at the expense to get the quarterback You had to trade Odell Beckham the one commodity you had to get now the stuff the second first round pick to move up To get Haskins and then hope that Haskins is good And if he is good then we can forget about all the things that have just happened But what good is having a great wide receiver and a great running back when you have no quarterback? They were asked backwards about this whole thing from the get-go. That's the problem with this And now they're forced to do what they had to do yesterday last year Ridiculous because of what happened and the mismanagement of last year So you should be red hot but you should have been red hot last year when they took Barkley Because this all got it going because they thought the real problem is not the trading of Odell Not the mismanagement of Odell They thought they could win last year and this is the negative brought by product of them Can you also be double mad though because by all accounts and I'm no cap expert I'm no anything expert, but I read a lot today about the trade by all accounts They could have done much better than what they got for Odell Beckham, Jr. You would think so and people are gonna say well Antonio Brown Antonio Brown asked to be traded Wouldn't go to certain places the Giants didn't have any restrictions in trading Odell wherever they want it And they could have held on to them because they're gonna pay most of a salary this year anyway in terms of the cap hit And then you know, there's always a chance of being injured, but I will tell you this Peter King came out and said that the Giants are essentially What's an expansion team would say gone Barkley you tell me in What world on what planet on what salary structure would a team that's gonna be this bad? carry Eli Madding and His cat doesn't matter. Just what doesn't matter. What do you mean? It doesn't matter well because the hope is is that you draft the quarterback And then you can have Eli on the staff because what does it matter Michael? This is a throwaway here. You talk about tanking. That's what this upseat the upcoming season is gonna be it is They're not gonna sign any but One in 15 and spent 23 million dollars for he shouldn't end his career sitting there and didn't listen City model this is not it but it's a city was a good team with Alex Smith and Pat Mahone's watch But that but that you're talking about Eli person. I do feel bad for Eli It's a shame that this future Hall of Famer is gonna have to babysit a mess Do they're in capital, but they don't want to they don't I don't think they want to if even if they released Eli I don't think they'd spend the money because they're gonna get the compensatory pick by not taking any real Significant free agents for the loss of Collins So they'll get the the third round pick the glorified fourth round pick really but the end of the third round So they'll eventually get the third round pick by not signing anybody. The team is gonna be brutal They'll get a high draft pick at the end of 2019 and then have a hundred million dollars of cap space to spend after all the guys They traded away. So you see the plan here. This is exactly what the Jets did in 2017 So you're telling me Don if the Giants has simply taken Sam Darnold last year mm-hmm and Not say Quan Barkley Basically, they could have started taking steps forward and kept all these pivotal pieces that they just had to give away for almost nothing Because we'd be entering in the second year of Sam Darnold Right you would have known whether you had the quarterback and then you could do what the Jets are doing add pieces to make your franchise quarterback better Heck they could have probably been in the running for Levy on Bell if they wanted to Now is he say Quan Barkley he's darn close So they could have had the quarterback and then you could have been Bell you could be the with the Jets are right now the Giants could have been You're excited about the Jets. No, no, but the Giants could have been not only that they could have been what the Jets are With Odell Beckham jr. Still right which the Jets don't have that's where I'm saying now You're trotting out Sterling Shepherd is your number one where the outrage is but don't look at all Eli's killing us this year for Casper I don't think they care now you feel bad for Eli's got a babysit this garbage And that's the plan and basically everyone has a quarterback right Eli starting quarterback on a team That's awful eventually Haskins takes over at some point teams brutal like they were an 04 And then you go for it the very next year with the quarterback, but here's the caveat to all of this You're hoping a that you can now trade up to get askings You know you're not guaranteed that they're they're a collar Murray's pro day right now They might have to trade up to one if they might they might but they might not They're they're being held hostage right now because I I said it last week Don't be surprised if Arizona and San Francisco's asking price was gonna be Odell to move up Because they got them they don't need a quarterback those two teams Maybe maybe Murray's taking one, but San Francisco it too. They don't need a quarterback You know the Giants definitely needed would have taken Odell Beckham jr. For that number two I don't know but they would probably asking for whatever the moon and the stars So now they got a hope that this pick now they get the safety and he's a good player is he is a young Peppers he's from the area. He's a guy who could play in the box and tackle people He doesn't really cover that was a kid like the guy they let go. He was the first round pick in 2017 They got the replacement. So base. He's cheap. Don't don't worry about this year If you if you love Eli, then you feel bad for him but you know he's gonna babysit a bad team and eventually tutor Haskins and Listen with all the cap space they have next year Maybe this turns out to work down the road for them But my problem is you just trade it away a great player on the possibility That you can get the quarterback if you get the quarterback I think you could feel a little bit better about it But what if you're sitting there at six and 17? Forced to take those picks because nobody wanted to trade up with you still and you still didn't get the quarterback But then I guess the plan would be will suck for Tua in 2020 Yes, but you know, I'm sorry. Maybe because I'm 51 years old, you know I'm not to the point where I'm not buying green bananas But you know you start throwing year after year after year away You start to look back and go how many years we thrown away here to find this quarterback I remember an era where there were a lot of thrown away years between You know why a tittle and Phil Sims Well, you might be getting to that point where you're just searching for a damn quarterback And I'm hearing today that one of the things that really upset the Giants was after he signed the contract The interview that he did with Lil Wayne and how he you know kind of threw Eli under the bus and didn't say that You know, this was his dream and to be a New Yorker. That took them by surprise. They didn't know who this guy was He's a self-promoter. That's who he is He's a great player who's all about Odell by the way that was that put them over the top that Because all year besides that he was quiet as a field mouse I Odell didn't make a peep this year That was the only the only day that there was news on Odell was like I honestly I went nuts But you know what? I think that's all the okie-dokie you like to say I think that's all well try to spin it that we let him go because he wasn't a true giant He was a problem. He was never afraid. They were afraid with the Browns. Go tell all the ten-year-olds who are 13 He's not a true giant. They were at all the 13 and the 21s that now it's ridiculous and by the way congratulations to Odell I mean he he actually seemed legitimately blindsided by this and but now he's playing a game and he wants his contract redone Is he right now? Yeah, he's saying that right now. That's the rumor that he wants to make money He can make it miserable for that right and he can end up making the Giants look good if that ends up being the case That's a very one. That's a very good point But it's not he joined a team that has the chance to be good right now I'm with his buddy plays with his best friend and his position coach from college Pretty good situation and a guy in Baker Mayfield whose passer ratings like 113 over 30 yards Eli Literally at this point it appears if he can't even throw the ball 30 yards but but at the end of the day they were forced to do this and Again never siding with the Giants because it's ridiculous to do so. What good is OBJ on a team? That doesn't have a quarterback and you know what? I really you had that you could are you arguably had the best wide receiver and the best running back on the team last year And what did it mean? No, so but they were forced to do this because again, you're searching for the quarterback people You know what? I can find a running back the Jets found what would you I mean? There's a lot of them find a quarterback. They're not taking a quarterback. What would you think of this trade then? Well, then it just makes the then then they're obviously It's gonna throw the year away and try to find the quarterback in 2020 Pupua for to a That that's that that that's what you're hoping for but again, don't you see you see that with your tail They would draft defensively right at six and 17. I don't know it's supposedly a super Defense rich draft and that they start loading the defense back up and then get to and I don't think That this guy was Pat Shermer sort of guy. I mean, there's a lot of stories He questioned Shermer's play calling after the game and Philly I've heard stories about how when Shermer got there. He texted Odell excited to be working with you and Odell Was trying to Tech somebody else to show he's a look at this clown and he texted it back to Shermer. I've heard those stories We didn't hear that so it was that a bad way to start a relationship That's not a good way to start a relationship. So I mean Odell is a handful, but he's a great player, too Here's another thing and Donna. I always find about this. I Don't understand how it's so easy for people to lie. I mean gentlemen. We didn't sign him to trade him I'll have to be blown away. Well, did you not look like a fool? This is what when did he say that? The combat February 27th, we didn't sign Odell to trade him. That's all I need to say about that lie Even you must admit Gettleman at this point at this moment It's gone a little bit beyond the typical GM. He seems like an outright liar You cannot believe a word that comes out. He did tell the truth about Barkley He said he was gonna try a draft Barkley and he drafted Barkley again This all this was why all circles back because they signed Odell I'd but hopefully to make him happy Because they were all in and you know, it wasn't just all in on a run in 2018 It was also a run to 2020 It was a run for the final two years of Eli's contract I don't think anybody at the time was thinking anything beyond that. I got Eli for two more years I get Eli for 2018 and 2019 like the guy they just benched Different groups They're still paying for that right in discretion They are he would not have been on the team last year if they had handled it better the year before he could has written This is is done like say this was his gold watch now How how long does he have to get the gold watch the gold watch is gold? It's not platinum well number now it's going away because obviously the team isn't gonna be successful He's still getting but now it doesn't matter because he's gonna become a free agent at the end of the year And the Giants will have the salary cap space. There's nothing they can do They don't have enough money to improve the team that much to be a playoff team, but the circle back After the debacle they fire Everybody that was involved in it, right? Eli you got two more years left in your contract. We're gonna sign. Yo, Dell make him happy All right, we're gonna draft your running back. That's dynamic We're gonna spend a fortune on a left tackle and we're gonna for the next two years try to compete They were so bad last year it became obvious that don't even bother in 2019 We're not gonna be good again So it still goes back to that because you if you really look at it to Michael by what get them and said Which sure we're not getting along with Odell the fact that they let Collins go because he doesn't fit and bet your system What he's telling you is the coaches are more important than players right and coach right proven nothing I'm gonna bring in a head coach that's done nothing I'll bring in a the defense of coordinator that has done nothing and I'm gonna get rid of my two best players Because they don't fit in his system what you do is you see you make them fit when you interview sure Listen, this is not your type of guy. He's gonna be your type of guy. He's that good So you're telling me that get them and felt that that sure more and bet your were had a resume that they could just let Two of the best players that they have walk. No, it was because they were all in on those two years I wouldn't be surprised that they told gentlemen in sure more listen I know you're probably holding your nose But get me a winner in the next two years and then you could do whatever you want Well, that what get them is getting it a year earlier because that's how bad they were in 2018 with the trade of Odell The Giants have one player left from Jerry Reese's reign. Zack the Aussie long set their long snapper. That's it But you know offense to him is not really anything Here's one thing about getting rid of Beckham Does not rid you of a Jerry Reese player. You're the GM who gave him 90 million bucks You're the one who put the Giants in the situation and here's one of the things that that I fear the most Let's say they have this grand plan. No one out there. That's a giant fan of a football fan Can deny that the Giants went into last year thinking they were good enough to win, right? That's how poorly they misjudged their talent. That's that that's where the average is really Because these are the people are gonna be making these pics, too This is where everything comes about now again gentlemen's been a good drafter So we'll see how it ends up going from here on in now I don't know did Gettelman think they were good enough or was it John Mara and again I believe in the conspiracy theory that this was a fruit basket to Eli for the apology for what happened at the end of 2017 and said listen I'm gonna give you a chance to win over the next couple of years And I want Gettelman and Sherma to get me a championship in those two years and then you could do whatever you want with the Team I really believe that that's how this all came about you'd have to say that this is gonna be a nothing year Next year when you bring in a young quarterback is gonna be a nothing year It's so in a limited lifespan for a running back your best player has wasted the first three years of his career Yeah, but what you're hoping for is the Jets template which has probably never been said in the history of New York Radio that there is a franchise that is trying to copy the Jets But that's exactly where we're at here because it was the same thing in 2017, right? The Jets had their quarterback in Josh McCown. They're throwing the year away to get their quarterback They got their quarterback. They had a year where they're a little bit better, but not great, right? And now what do you have a hundred million dollars a cap space and they go out and get a Pro Bowl linebacker And they get a Pro Bowl running back and they got their quarterback in a second year Now that's what the Giants are hoping for in two years that they could be the Jets that that's that but whatever the plan is Can we all agree that it's plan B? It's plan D. It's not it's not even B It's so bad and no less an authority than the Mets. No a Cinder guard. Yeah, what he said said I don't know what the Giants are doing. Thank you. No, and he likes to weigh in on social media Yeah, he's right in this case and also at some point today I hope we can take a separate moment to actually process regardless of it I don't want it for a moment. No antics the level of talent. You just traded I'm not done. I'm done. Don's been watching football for 40 years 40, but I've been watching football for 35. I Believe he's the most talented player ever seen play the position ever in history Like just for I'm not saying he's the greatest wide receiver of all time But the talent and the things I saw him do are the best I've ever seen and if you end up in when this is all Said and done it's gonna be so interesting to see what they end up getting if you end up getting nothing when he's putting On that gold jacket in 13 14 years, but what but that gold jacket's got to come with a couple of championships No, no, it doesn't don't that doesn't matter. Yes. Yes, it does He goes to the wall champion I disagree. I'm sorry Don wide receivers don't win championships alone The fact that you go that's the pool. No, but they just traded a hundred thousand kids favorite player If it doesn't turn into something and you just have nothing burgers The thing is this is not basketball when you traded away your best player and now you're gonna be awful They've been awful with him. I'm not blaming him It doesn't matter again, they went for they went What was it 5 and 11 last year with the best running back in the best wide receiver? You know why because unless you have a really good quarterback It's not going to matter but one thing or one narrative We're gonna stop that you could call in and ask anything you want But I'll just tell you exactly why you're wrong. I keep hearing people say I mean they didn't win with them Well, first of all when he played that a force 4 30 something winning percentage And when he didn't play that a 253 winning and they lost five points a game, right when he played They scored about 23 points for game and when he didn't play 18 points for game. Don't tell me he's not a great player Nobody say he's a jerk. You can see the jackass. You can say he's a self-promoter. Don't tell me he's not a great player No, it's a great. It's the position. I mean look at all the great wide receivers We have seen in recent history doesn't guarantee you a championship the same as they're running back I agree with you, but that doesn't justify trading them for nothing. Well, but that doesn't mean well There's no quarterbacks, but you're right But if they can turn that into Haskins if they are able to trade 6 and 17 Which I would assume is their plan to get the quarterback and the quarterback becomes the next Tom Brady Then it was okay. That is a lot if it's but they have no choice But when you can see this is why I keep circling back to the Barkley move is because this is what you're forced to do When you don't have a quarterback who cares that you have a Hall of Fame wide receiver if you have nobody to throw him the Football that's fine. It's a fair. They put him in that situation. It's a fair point But they could have drafted the damn quarterback last year And then they could have had they could have had Odell they could have went after Bell They could have had their running back had their wide receiver and moved follow you've never been That's why that your outrage should have been a year ago when I was getting killed by everybody saying shut up Don You know, you're talking about you couldn't be a singular talent. This is why this day happened You could Michael I have wanted Don to be wrong about the Barkley thing since it started He gets proven more right with this team every six months now They have this and then you know the biggest victim of it is Barkley You got like a six or seven year window and you're probably looking at least the first three or four nothing being thrown away