 any amendments to the agenda, Sarah? No. Okay, so item number one is considering AGES's request for letter of support from the Select Board to the Vermont Public Utility Commission, designating the location of Solar Electric Generating Facility, the 58th Center Road of Budding Kingsbury Construction as a preferred site. Action likely. Okay guys, you're on. Did you want me to give you a bit of an update on where we are at this point? Yes. Okay, sorry. So this is Nils from AGES Renewable Energy, Nils Bain, B-E-H-N. So we had a meeting with the Planning Commission last week to discuss the requested letter of support. There was some very good dialogue back and forth discussing the merits of the site, the details of the array. And I think that they asked some excellent questions and eventually came to the decision that they would support the project and provide the letter of support. And maybe I should actually just hand it over to Sandy if you're okay giving your summary of how you felt the meeting went and the conclusions. I don't want to put words in your mouth. You're on mute, Sandy. Sorry about that. Yes, I'm happy to go over what the Planning Commission did if that would be helpful to the Select Board. I'm just here as a Planning Commission member. And if the Select Board had questions about what the Planning Commission did with the request. It would be great just to give us an overview of what your discussion was and your conclusion. I guess we know the conclusion. Yeah, we went through the request and the information that was provided from AGES. We also looked at the letter that Mr. Gallagher's attorney presented. I think the same letter was also sent to the Select Board and walked through each of the items that were included in that letter. Then we looked through both our zoning. And then it was pointed out that renewable energy projects do not actually go through a zoning review within the town. And I think that was the Planning Commission at that point did not go any further with the zoning aspects of the proposal. We looked most closely at what was in the town plan, which does out, which both looks at renewable energy generally or energy projects generally, and some siting criteria for energy projects and how this project would fit within that. I'm going to go through that in more detail. I can, but based on what's in our town plan determined that this fit within the category of the preferred sites within the town plan. OK, thank you. Questions, Select Board members. Yes, who's that? Probably the private cell phone call. Well, Steve, Steve Martin and Phil Hayek, aren't you both out of the Planning Commission? No. Steve, are you? No. No. No longer. OK, gotcha. Sarah, did you get a copy of the letter from Mr. Gallagher's attorney? Yes, I don't. You're muted, Sarah. Well, I'm not muted anymore. I said it was available at the last meeting that you guys had. OK, because I don't have it in my file when I went back to look at it. All right, well, I'm working on two different levels here. So I'll try to go into my email here and see if I can find it. It's on April 8th email, Mary, if you want to see it. April 8th. April 5th. Just Google Middlesex Town Clerk in your search bar and your Gmail or whatever you have. Gmail, yeah. So I did take it upon myself to do a little sneaky site visit. I apologize to the property owners and project people. I didn't ask for permission. I just drove up there and looked around, didn't touch anything. I would say the site is as described in the paperwork that we've received. And it was my memory. I've been up there before years ago. It's a flat site and it's mostly clear. There's a little brush, but very little else. So anyone have any questions or concerns, Mary? I just remember at the last meeting there was some discussion about how it was too close to the edge of the property and all that. I mean, is that something that you discuss at the Planning Commission or just none of that stuff applies, Sandy? Yeah, we did talk about that and noted that it was within the setback. I identified that the next landowner, which I think is TJ, was willing to agree to building within the setback that still wouldn't comply with the zoning. But then this gets to that the zoning doesn't apply to energy projects. So it didn't seem that we had reason to say you can't build within that setback, because energy projects are allowed to be built within the setback. I think the developer said they could move it so that it would be away from the setback, but that within that area was a better location for it. Is that correct, Niels? Sure, that is correct. The one point to make on the setback question was I think there was some concern by Mr. Gallagher regarding the setback from the stream. And we are within compliance in terms of the setback there. So we're not encroaching on the buffer setback for that stream. And there was no other issue in terms of the boundary of the land, or that's been waived by the adjacent landowner. Is that correct, Niels? That is correct. We will be approaching, I believe, the select board. And Eric, you can correct me on this if you like. But we'll be approaching the select board just as a formality so we can have your waiver of that setback. We're within the 25-foot setback on TJ's property. And just to make sure that all of our Ts or Cros and our Is are dotted with the certificate of public good application, we are probably just going to request maybe a paragraph. And we can send you a letter just to be notarized or signed by the select board, just indicating your willingness to allow that encroachment on that 25-foot setback. So would that go to the select board or the planning commission? So the rule at the PUC level says there's a minimum setback. And if you're less than that, you have the opportunity if there's an agreement amongst the abutting property owner who's affected by that to waive it and agree to it. And then all it says is an agreement or consent by the municipal body. So it doesn't say whether it's the planning commission or whether it's the select board. I think the select board probably is the one who's looking at zoning applications more frequently. And so it's probably I would have the select board just sort of consent to that. But it's up to you folks if you wanted the planning commission to do it, they could do it as well. Peter, this is Phil. I think that would go to the ZBA as the appropriate body. But again, I'm not sure the ZBA would take any action on that because in terms of the discussion that Sandy just had with us, it seems to be moved that it doesn't fall under the zoning regs anyway. So I don't know that ZBA would even bother to act on it. But that's what I would say. That's exactly what I was trying to figure out. I guess as long as we're comfortable that it's legit, it would be helpful to have something from TJ saying you agree to that TJ just so it doesn't come up in the future. And all of a sudden you say, oh my god, they built and set back. And the time didn't act correctly or whatever. Hi, this is Cindy Hill. May I comment? Yes. The public statute, state statute regarding net metering facilities and the public utility regulations mandate that solar facilities for up to 150 kW be 25 feet from property boundaries. And it says that if there is a agreement to a smaller setback between the applicant, the municipal legislate of body, and the owner of the property adjoining the smaller setback, that then the PUC may be asked to approve that. And they may or may not approve it. I would strongly urge you not to grant a setback of smaller than whatever your standard setback is for that area. They also will honor any larger setback that's requested by the municipality because there's no reason to your setbacks have been set through the zoning process, the town planning process. They've been vetted. They have input. These particular properties, my understanding is, have been sold and changed hands many times. And the problem is the current owner may waive it and the current owner may not be there next week, next month, next year. And this project is going to be there for a very long time. So it has a lasting impact on all the adjoining properties and any future uses of those properties. So the, and here you have the owner of the adjoining property being involved in the development, future owners of that property may not be as excited about that. And it's going to bind that property for quite some time. There's also really good reasons to have those setbacks for purposes of emergency vehicle access and all the other reasons that you devise setbacks. So the state statute and regulation assumes there's going to be a minimum of 25 feet or whatever else the town requests if it's larger. They can discretionarily approve a waiver of that. If you really think that, and the question is, do you think that waiver is in the town's interest? What interest of the town does it serve to grant that waiver? Got it. Nils, what are the consequences of moving your project so it meets the setback, the 25 feet? It would just require us to adjust rows. And honestly, we would end up with rows that would get closer to that stream buffer. Obviously, we would not cross the stream buffer, but we would have to adjust rows to get closer to that. The effect would be there would be more moving necessary to put the array in. And then also, the array would be a little bit closer to that free line on that side, which would reduce the energy production of the system, make it less effective. And how much should have been intrusion into the setback? Is it as currently designed? It's only about 10 feet. So it's 10 feet of the 25-foot? 15. Yeah, it's very minimal. And honestly, that part of TJ's property, where it's getting closer to, has an amount of system for his office building. So it's not that, certainly, that part between his building and the solar array, it's really not. I don't, TJ, correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that's even developably for future use of the landowner, whether it be you or whoever might buy it from you in the future. Yeah, I just want to correct you that it's not a, it's just an architectural aesthetic mound there, but it's not a wastewater mound, just to clarify it to the whole group here. But no, it's fairly unusable space. And I agree with NILS, the impacts to the environment are going to be greater to move that. We can do it. And if we can't get a waiver, that's how we shall proceed. But I believe that it's in the towns and the project's best interest to consider that waiver, considering that the abutting property owner, myself, is OK with making that waiver. What's the town's interest? What's the best interest, TJ, for the town that you just said that, I mean, can you articulate what that best interest is for us? Sure, mitigating the amount of earthwork that we have to do out there, moving roads, pushing dirt around, getting closer to that buffer, the wetland and stream buffers. If I could respond to that, that's exactly the point, that this is a bad site for this. There are so many other options, like putting on the rooftop of this commercial facility, like selecting a lot that's large enough and that isn't cleared up to the woods and isn't close to the stream. So they select the site. So this notion that you should waive rules because this project is shoehorned in between what the legitimate stated public boundaries are and setbacks are, it points to the fact that it's a bad site. The preferable solar siting is on rooftops and there's a commercial building right there, I understand. There's a start as to some of the size of this. We already have a rooftop on our building now. So I mean, I don't want to get into sharing opinions tonight. I don't know if I'm speaking out of turn here, but I'm just trying to keep us on task. That's all. Yeah. Excuse me, our charge tonight is to designate it as a quote unquote preferred site. The state is going to get into some of these issues and they have the ultimate approval of this. So all we're saying is from our point of view, it's a quote unquote preferred site. When I went up there and looked at it and I couldn't tell exactly where the project was going to be built, but it looked to me just as an uninformed observer or minimally informed observer that there was plenty room up there to build it. That's probably bigger than what you anticipated. Sandy, do you want to weigh in on this issue on the setbacks? No, I told you we didn't go into it in great detail after we looked at that the zoning requirements didn't apply. So we didn't look into it further than that. And as to the preferred site, we looked at, as I said, the town plan identifies preferred sites and says the town will support installations at these sites and it lists industrial areas, inner near landfills, parking lots, previously paved surfaces or brown fields, third is near schools or community spaces that would offer awareness and potentially serve an educational opportunity. And lastly on rooftops of existing and proposed buildings. And within this, this area does allow light industry. It's one of the two areas of town that does allow industrial uses and it fit within that. And I think it was based mostly on that. We then looked at the areas which would be preferably prohibited and it didn't fit those. So we did have some conversation about whether it fit within a highest priority forest blocks, but it does seem at least on the existing maps until you do a very site specific analysis, which will, I believe that will be gone through at the Public Utilities Commission, other than that there are very many areas in town that at least on the surface would be high priority forest blocks. So that was an area that was hard to determine just based on the information that's available from mapping. And then the additional piece of that is that there is a fairly lofty goal or a high goal to have renewable energy projects within the town of Middlesex. And within that, having it in areas where there would otherwise be light industry seemed to make sense. I would just like to correct a misconception here. For projects of this size, there is no review at the state if it's a preferred site. Unless someone objects and requests for a hearing and the objection has to be done with expert witness testimony, there will be no review at the state. So this question of, oh, the state will get into the forest blocks and whatever, they don't. For up to 150 KWs, if it's on a preferred site, just like anything that's on a rooftop or small personal house projects, up to 150 KW, unless someone files an objection and requests a hearing, the application goes in as a preferred site and it will get approved. That's it. No one will do any further looking at it. So you guys are the only people looking at it. I would have to take issue with that comment. There is significant expert testimony that goes with the petition for a 150 KW ground-mounted solar array, regardless of whether it's a preferred site or not. That expert testimony involves scientists who do analysis on site to quantify whether there are wetlands on the site, whether there are rare endangered species, and so on. They are signing that testimony in an affidavit to that testimony, indicating in their professional opinion that those issues, those studies have been completed within the necessary ethical standards that embodies their profession. And the Agency of Natural Resources does review these applications and checks them for accuracy and inconsistencies. So I respectfully disagree, Cindy. Any other questions or concerns, select board members? We've heard from Cindy. Jim, do you have anything to add to this? Well, Jim Gallagher, I've stressed my concerns before. And the concerns I know of the lost awhile habitat, the stormwater runoff, erosion of the bank, water going under I-89, these people seem to buy and sell the land back quite a lot. I presently have issues with them now on an overshadow issue. My land is rural residential. And to me, you shouldn't be making the decision that you're 100% sure. OK. Select board members, is somebody willing to make a motion on this one way or the other? Peter, itself. It seems as though we have some contradictory opinions here. And there's, again, two issues. The one about the setback, which really wasn't warrant for this meeting. I thought we were simply doing with whatever it's called, preferred site. And we are without the benefit of counsel. So I actually think this ought to be tabled, until we can, in fact, consult with counsel and get some advice as to how we should proceed. And what would be the question for counsel, Phil? Well, again, the conflict here. We've got Nils saying he disagrees with Cindy. Citing her. Just what the process is. Her take on the law, what the process is. Nils seems to think it's something else. So when we've got two people on opposite sides of the agenda citing very different regs, it makes me extremely uncomfortable that this is now turned into a hearing. And we seem to be getting testimony from either engineering experts or legal experts. And I think it leaves us in a very, very difficult situation. So I'm really at a point where I don't want to act on this at all tonight. Would it be OK for me to comment? Yes. OK, so maybe just a little bit of context would be helpful here. We have done preferred letters of support with other municipalities. Never have we had any municipality reject our request. And they've all come to the conclusion that it fit well within the town's goals for renewable energy. And the letter of support really explicitly states, and I'll quote, we note that we take no position on the project's compliance with any requirement of rule 5.100 or of other applicable provisions of Vermont law. This letter is solely for the purpose of providing support for the project under section 5.103. So what that means is that you are supporting the project, but you are not making any comment regarding the applicability of the project and the validity of the project when it comes to its potential impact on the natural resources or other components of the review process through the certificate of public good process. So it's not like you're signing on to say that you've reviewed all of the details of this project and agree that it's in compliance with all of that. That's the job of all of the other statutory parties that are involved, including the agency natural resources and Green Mountain Power and the Department of Public and Department of Public Service and so on. Oh, I'm sorry, you're right. Yeah, it's Washington Electric Go Up. And the Department of Public Service and so on. So all of those parties are very strictly reviewing our application, our petition, which again has expert testimony from wetland and natural resource scientists. So that's the job of all those other statutory parties. We're really looking to have the town say that this fits within your stated goals for renewable energy within the town. So I can ask a question, Peter. Yes, go ahead. This is Liz on the select board. I'm just curious, and I don't really intend to do this, but what would happen if we didn't have, if we didn't have a letter of support designating it as a preferred site? What would happen? Yeah, Eric, why don't I let you, you're pretty articulate on this point. I'll let you take that one. So getting preferred status, preferred site status impacts the rate at which the project earns net meter and credit. So just think about it as the revenue. And a project that doesn't earn preferred site status is going to end up earning about 20% less revenue and it means this project is not going to move forward. So if you as a select board feel in your town that renewable energy is important and there isn't much in your town so far, you just have to think, is this site a relatively good site to promote those goals? And Cindy mentioned that rooftops are preferred sites. Yep, that is definitely true, but it is also true that the PUC has given you folks, the PUC and the select board, the power to make this decision on non-specifically enumerated preferred sites like car can fees and rooftops. So this is squarely what you are supposed to be doing talking about this and making a decision. So Cindy, just going back to your earlier comment, it sounds like to me from what Nils is saying that there is going to be considerable review with this project beyond what we're doing. You made it sound like this is our decision and if we approve it, it's just going to go through and there's going to be no further review. I'm confused. So I disagree with Nils characterization. It is true that they will have to, the petitioner, the agist will have to submit expert testimony with their application. And one of the points is you're being asked to make this decision without seeing any of that. So you have not seen the wetlands review, you have not seen whether or not, what the environmental review of it is in terms of all the different aspects of the site. You're being asked to make that, you make this decision site unseen. They do have to include that information with their application. But if no one asks for a hearing and objects to this, there is no public review. There isn't a hearing. There is no public review of it. But there's plenty of review, it's just there's no public review. Well, they submit their application with their, that's not review. Their hired people are going to submit statements with their application. In for a project of this size, it's true that it's submitted under affidavit. It's not terribly robust in my opinion, but that's not review. That's what they're saying. That's their application and their testimony. So you haven't even seen that. But it sounds like, but it sounds like maybe not public, but different state entities are going to review this application. Isn't that true? They'll get the application along with thousands of others. They will not engage in any review of it until unless there's an objection and this thing is going to go to hearing, unless somebody objects. That is not the experience of that we have had over since 2011. We have gotten comments back from the statutory parties, whether they be agency natural resources or the department of public service or the utilities, regardless of whether there was public comment on the project, we have gotten feedback on them requesting modifications to our positions. So clearly these just don't go into the round file when they're received. They do get reviewed by an expert at that entity's office, so that state entity, whether it be A&R or the department. Can I just make a comment? Well, excuse me, Sarah. You're muted. Sorry, if you want. Yeah, I just wanted to ask something. In what I was taking the minutes, it seemed to me as though Nils mentioned that you were going to come back and ask the board to agree to the waiver or approve the waiver. That was what I have in my minutes. Now it sounds like it's all being muddled together. Could you just clarify that? If the board gives you a letter of support, would you then, is that a second process or is that something that you're asking for tonight? Well, ideally it would be something that we'd be asking for tonight. It certainly doesn't have to happen right now. That can happen after the fact, but it just seemed expeditious to have it kind of rolled into the same process, but that is very secondary to getting the support for the letter. I just hope that that request for the waiver or the setback doesn't get in the way of the letter of support because that's really our main concern right now. And I just want to be clear that you don't actually have the power to waive it. You have the power to consent to the agreement and then the PUC decides whether it will waive its requirement. Who's that speaking? That's Eric Fana from Aegis Renewal Energy. Thanks, Eric. So how are you doing, Phil? Are you feeling any differently about this or do you still think we should table it? I think, no, I think I would change my position a little here. Again, I don't think the request for the setback issue was even worn down the agenda. So I'd be extremely uncomfortable going forward with that. I think at this point, yeah, as far as the preferred site thing, I think we can do that. Obviously the project needs that to proceed to make it economically viable. And I do think we need to be supporting alternative energy kinds of pieces. But I guess I see those as separate. So I'd be willing to vote on the preferred site but hold off on the setback issue. You're willing to make that motion? So moved. I'll second it, Liz. Any further discussion? Okay, so we're voting on Phil's motion, which is to grant the letter, what are we gonna call it? The letter designating that site is a preferred site. Is that the way I should describe it? Right. All those in favor of the motion, please. Yes, Sarah. Sarah? Yes. Can you add into the motion that somebody would be designated as the signer of that letter so that we don't have to deal with all the signature issues? I'm presuming that would be me. Okay, I'll add that. I always seem to be to authorize the chair to sign that letter. Okay, thank you. So the motion is, if the motion passes, we will prepare the letter and I will sign it. All those in favor of the motion, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Okay, opposed? No. Very opposed. And the motion passes, thank you. Did Phil vote? Yes. Yes, we had some talking and some hand raising. Did Steve vote? Steve voted, right? Yes, I did. And Liz voted twice. She's that kind of person. What can I say? So anyway, just to be clear, what we've done is we will prepare that letter, but we need to deal with a setback issue at another time whenever that's appropriate. Understood. Thank you. Okay. That sounds great. Sandy does have a draft of that letter. If you'd like to sign the version that she has, that would be great. Or if you feel you need to make small tweaks to it. We got that information in our packets last week. Yeah, I think we had the draft with our pocket the last time. Right. And where is that through, Sarah? Yeah. Yes. So we may or may not sign it exactly the way you've drafted, but we'll make sure the intent is clear. Thank you very much. We appreciate it. Okay. Thank you all. Have a good night, everybody. Thank you very much. Yep. Okay. So obtaining, excuse me, outlining the policy for processing zoning permit applications during the COVID-19 shutdown, zoning administrator Mitch to attend action likely. So the background to this is I had a discussion with Mitch about this issue and I also had a discretion with our beloved town clerk and select board assistant who suggested that we should have a policy about this and not rely on an informal discussion, which I agree is appropriate. So Mitch, why don't you outline the issue for us as you see it and what your practice has been so far? You're muted, Mitch. I just had to find the right place to click. I got it. Okay, okay. Yes, so I guess my concern was about whether, you know, I guess I probably should have spoken to you folks sooner. I've done a lot of answering informal questions or respond to emails about various projects, but a lot of folks have been checking in with me that said, hey, I find myself with time on my hands. There's a project I'd like to tackle. And, you know, I've sort of two concerns. One is just not letting a big backlog of projects pile up that I'm gonna have to deal with later once things sort of ease up a little bit. And, you know, the other is just trying to provide decent customer service to folks in town. And if they wanna tackle a project that's fairly routine for me, I don't see why I might not wanna proceed with those things. And if I find something that's complicated and, you know, we can put things on hold as we need to. And I think a whole separate matter is, and I actually sent Phil an email about this, the ZBA needs to convene a meeting and figure out how they're gonna deal with resumption of public hearings and things like that. And that's, I've gotten some guidance from the League of Cities and Towns and that's, you know, they give a lot of deference to local bodies to decide their own, on their own how they wanna deal with resumption of meetings and meeting electronically, whether that's practical for different things. But my concern is sort of just trying to get fairly routine projects reviewed and approved or denied as necessary and kind of keep the pipeline from jamming up too much. Okay, well, I know one of our concerns is that we don't get in that old deemed approved thing because we haven't acted. So I'm very concerned that if we can't deal with these applications that we deny them and then let the applicant reapply because otherwise we're gonna get into the deemed approved thing and we're gonna have some projects that we can't control. Agreed. So no matter what, no matter how we, how the DVA decides to go forward, my concern is mostly that we take some kind of action that we don't set on our hands and also from a customer service point of view, if somebody is sitting at home with nothing to do and wants to build a shed on the side of their garage or a roof over their deck or whatever the project is and they're gonna do it themselves, there's no reason we shouldn't be approving those applications as long as they meet the guidelines. But I also see no reason why that the ZBA couldn't meet and I'm not sure it's in the select board's authority to tell the ZBA whether you're gonna meet on Zoom or how are you gonna do it? But my suggestion would be, Zoom seems to work. I mean, if it gets to be a really complicated messy project then maybe we just have to reject it and say it can reapply when the fun and games is over. But in the meantime, try and deal with things as they come and conduct business as much as we can as usual. I think also we should make sure we're not giving advice on how to fill applications out and the application should come in and then you give some advice because I think it's too much in-dealing if you're telling them, well, you should put this in this paragraph and this in this paragraph. So you actually have something that comes in with a date and then you mark 30 days and if it's not approved then you have to disapprove it if they're still negotiating about what they're gonna do. So I echo Peter's comments. I mean- Other thoughts? So my concern when I was talking to Peter about this was public notice because one of the aspects of zoning is Mitch still here? Oh, yes, there he is. I'm here. One of the aspects of permitting is that once a permit is approved, right Mitch? You hang it on the wall or somebody can see that they have like 15, is it 15 days before the Z goes up and people can, is that the timeline? Yep, correct. When I act on a permit, it takes effect 15 days after I approve it. So presuming that I approve a permit, I send the applicant a poster that they're supposed to display on their property where people can see it. And we also, our practice in town has been to display approved permits in the town clerk's office. To be honest, we don't advertise that fact very well but that is our way of publicly noticing approved permits. I have seen some guidance from the biggest cities in towns that says a lot of towns, what they're doing is if they used to display approved permits in the town hall, they're now displaying them on a board right outside the town hall. And they also say you can put her on the side of caution and find two or three other places in town and post them there as well. Like, you know, we could do the school or outside of Red Hand. We could find places to do that or... Well, there's no way people are gonna get into the school so that isn't gonna work. I didn't say into school. I said at the school, you could post things outside. What I'm saying is, and I know our practice has been to post them in the town hall and advise people of that. If they asked us, I think it's easy enough. We've got that bulletin board outside the door to the town clerk's office. They can be posted there wrapped in plastic, whatever. And if somebody wants to review them, they can review them. Yeah, that's fine. I mean, the problem is with putting it in the school, the bandstand and any of these posting issues is that the reason why people see them is because they're coming into the town clerk's office to pay their taxes, license their dogs, vote, do all the things that they do. And then they look at the board and they say, oh, wow, look at this. I didn't know this was happening. What about the Red Hand? What? What about using the Red Hand? Wouldn't they let us do that? No, it's going to the Red Hand. No one's going to Red Hand. Oh, right. That's close, too. Sorry. Thanks, Sarah. Could we put it on? Could we put a notice on front porch form, not necessarily the zoning, but like the actual zoning, but say you could go to the website to check it out? Yeah, Liz, the problem is with all of these things is that there's a population that is not online. There's a population that's not on French porch form and there's a population that's not online. I mean, all I'm asking for is a little guidance when we draft a policy that we can just put that mention this. Or let's just bring it to the minutes. You guys can discuss it. I'll put it in the minutes and then we'll be done with it. That's all I'm asking for. I would suggest our practice all these years has been just to have it on the bulletin board in the town clerk's office. To my knowledge, we've never had anybody complain about that practice. And if somebody wants to look at it, they're told that's where it is. They can look at it. Well, right now, the town clerk's office is closed. So putting it on the bulletin board outside to me is a good solution. When they walk by, that bulletin board stares them in the face, if they're interested, they're going to look at it. So I mean, I would think our policy just be, and I'm looking for, you fell to nod your head, that we continue as much as we can business as usual with the understanding that if it comes to a complex project with a lot of testimony and a lot of stuff, and it's deemed by the ZBA that they can't deal with it because it isn't going to work over Zoom. You can't see the exhibit, you can't see the maps. Who knows that it just gets denied for the time being it gets denied and they're welcome to reapply when things change. Yeah, I agree, Peter. I mean, not speaking for the ZBA, but yes, I think we can meet on Zoom. We've got an account now for simple projects, that's fine. You know, those that require site visits are going to be difficult, if not impossible. And I would agree that we just postpone them or we deny them until such a time where we can effectively act on it and deal with it that way. I don't think we can postpone them. They're deemed to prove after 30 days. No, we deny them, Mary. We deny them. Yeah, well, that's... We deny them, we disapprove them. I understand that, Peter, but I just wanted to make sure that Phil understood that too. We can't just postpone them. Right, right, yeah, you're right. Yeah, I agree with that also, but a question for Mitch. How many do we have? Do you have a backlog now? Um, there are, well, actually, I think Planetary Matters has submitted two or three applications, all of which probably have to go to the ZBA. One might also have to go to the Planning Commission for a Site Plan review as well. But I have gotten some routine things like somebody wanted to build a woodshed or a workshop. A couple of people have talked to me, at least, about an application for, say, an addition on a house or some, what appear to be fairly routine subdivisions and things like that, but those sorts of things, I feel like I can deal with pretty effectively. It's the things that have to go to the ZBA for review that are the trickier things and the things that I think are important that we figure out, hey, how are we gonna deal with these? So what, who owns Planetary Matters? Where do they own the problem? That's the folks that own the Can't Mead complex. So depending on how complicated their applications are, that may have to wait, but I guess I would leave that up to the ZBA, not up to us. Exactly. And you, Mitch, your job is to bucket up to the ZBA and let them act on it and make sure we act on it within the 30 days. So how do you wanna proceed on this? Do we wanna actually write up a policy or are people comfortable that we've handled this? Sarah would probably like a written policy. I'm not the ZA, Mitch is, but you now have it in the minutes that this was discussed, that those are the parameters that were, the issues were delineated. You said routine things can happen, but if it gets complicated, you can't see a map, you can't do a site visit, things are gonna be delayed. So that way, if anybody complains or comes forward and says they're being treated unfairly, we can give them the minutes, invite them to look at the work, you know, clip and see that how this was discussed. And for me, that works, but Mitch, I'm not the ZA. I just want answering the phones. Yeah. I think my attitude would be to just refer things to the ZBA that require their input. And I don't think it's my job to deny something that needs ZBA review. And if they say, we can't consider this right now, so we're going to deny it, that's, I think that's their decision to make. No, I agree wholeheartedly, Mitch. I just want to be very careful that we're all in agreement and everybody understands that we're just not gonna sit on our hands through this COVID process and let something be deemed approved because we didn't act. That's my concern. So are we good? Are you okay, Phil? Do you want anything further? Yeah, I would say something comes up like that, Mitch. We're gonna hold a Zoom ZBA meeting and at least discuss the merits of it and figure out whether or not we can act on it. And I don't know if you've seen it yet, Phil, but I did shoot an email a couple of days ago. I think the ZBA has not met since town meeting, so I think you guys should convene me anyway, just to point officers and kind of do the organizational stuff that you would typically do. Right, and we're still waiting to fill one seat. Yep, but I don't think we can postpone hearing just because you've got an open seat, either. No, no, no. Do we have to appoint somebody, Phil? No. Yeah, we do, but Sarah, have we had any interest? No. Have we posted anything in the newspaper or on our front porch forum or the website? I have posted in the front porch forum and on the website. Kind of got overshadowed by all the COVID stuff. We just, you know, I could try again. Now that people are home, maybe they suddenly will be interested. I'll do it again. Yeah, let's do that. Yeah, I would try again. Okay. Okay. Everybody happy? Liz? She's gone. I'm not gone. I'm just muted. I'm cooking at the same time. I don't want you guys to get distracted by my culinary prowess. Hey, I thought I could smell something good on the stove. I'm going to smell something from the stove. Wait, did you take your picture off? Is it in the kitchen? No, I just, it's my, so you don't see me walking around and I'm distracting you. I already saw you walking around into your kitchen. I know you were up inside. Okay, guys, we're good. I'm fine with it. We're good. Let's move on. I'm glad you're here, Liz. I'm here, I'm listening. Okay, perfect. So we have on the agenda to discuss the Vermont Agency of Commerce and Community Development Guidelines for town highway departments. I think in light of this week's changes, I didn't hear from you, Steve, that we're probably good and there's no need for any further discussion. I mean, we can have two men crews working. We need to exercise the rules and regulations with regard to distancing and all that, but I think we'll be able to operate, won't we? That is correct. Paul and I have discussed that. We will have two men crews at the most and do our social distancing, face mask and whatever and do our procedures and just keep marching on. So there shouldn't be any issue there at all. All right, good. Can I ask you a quick question, Steve? Were there any days between the most recent announcement and the first announcement when you had to cut back what you were doing? When we first got that notice that we had to do that, I think it was on a Wednesday and I told Paul to finish his week out as planned and I would notify the select board and we would go from there, but then this thing came around Friday, so it was a moot point. Gotcha, great. Lucky us. Well, it's a good thing. We were gonna, I won't say what we were gonna do if they didn't change. Very good. Steve, quick question. Did I send you an email, Peter? I know I meant to about the beaver dam that's being built. Yes, you did. Yeah, it's pretty big and I don't know if that's something that we care about, like how dangerous it would be if it actually became like a big pond. Liz, I'll chime in on that. I haven't been to the shop. That's a lot. I don't respond to the big emails with my phone, but last fall I had met with John Yudis and the other woman on the Trails Committee to talk about that. We met out there and at the, Mary? Mary Nieland. Mary Nieland, thank you. And she was actually going to reach out to some folks. She knew at the state to try and either trap or do some beaver mitigation on that culvert. So as of right now, that is kind of, they knew more people than I did in that regard. So I can certainly reach out to them, to Mary just to follow up with her and see where we're at with everything on that. Yeah, I mean, I'm there every year at this time. I've never seen anything like it. It's like unrecognizable. It's so. Yeah, this is like the fourth year that we've had to knock the dam down, at least in front of the culvert. But at this point they're, I mean, they've built so far back and the top of the water table is probably 10 feet higher than the road. But it's, I mean, it's probably a hundred yards out of the right away at this point. Where is it? Between North and East Bear Swamp. Okay. Well, if you would follow up with her, Paul, I mean, we're not gonna send the excavator off into the swamp to break up that beaver dam. Nor am I going up there with a case of dynamite to take care of it. So. Hey, Peter, can I remind you? Yeah, Mary and John were in, they had a select board meeting with you guys several weeks ago, maybe months ago, a couple of months ago, they discussed Mary said she was gonna talk to the beaver guy. So, there you go. Yeah, so I'm asking Paul to do his follow up and remind her of that and tell her that the water's getting pretty deep up there. Sure. Yeah, I'll reach out to her tomorrow morning then when I get to the shop, absolutely. That'd be great. That'd be great. Yeah. So, I think we're good on that, Steve. You're happy that you can operate well and Paul, that you can operate well under the new guidelines? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. Safe and, yeah, safe and no issues through the windshield relationships. Okay, perfect, thank you. That was good news. When I saw that, I let out a sigh of relief. Treasurer's report addressing COVID-19 financial issues. So, Rhonda. Nothing really to report for COVID issues other than some of the money, tax money is starting to come in. We were kind of like getting the warrant to you today. So, it's probably all in your email now. I got it. You can review them and then just send an email back saying you're approving them. That'd be fine. And then I'll get the check. Okay. Rhonda, they just came? Yeah, they came about quarter of five or so, 10 of five. There is the payables are kind of on the high side because there is our payment to the library in there. So, the warrant is for whatever the payment is for, the library is, so it's in there. So, it's brought them up there. What did she say it was about $30,000 in the last time we discussed it? Something like that, yeah. I think it's in the minutes last time. So, that's in there to send off. What about the payment to the school, Rhonda? Payment to the school. We haven't received an invoice that will come in normally in May. So, hopefully it'll come in after we receive some taxes. I can't hear you. I can't hear you, Rhonda. Can you move it away? Yes, you can't turn it that way. We probably have a couple hundred thousand dollars right now in the account. But as you know, that one's like an $800,000 bill, so. Last time, I think we were discussing getting a short term loan, so have you pursued? Nothing going forward on that yet. I'm waiting to see how much tax money comes in. According to the financials, we should have maybe $800,000 coming in in tax money. So, if we got that, we would be okay. I don't know whether that'll happen or not. And the towns, I mean, the legislature doesn't seem to be offering or getting ready to say you couldn't defer it or delay it. Well, there was something that was an article actually Sarah sent me that talked about maybe they were gonna do something about the penalties and interests, but nothing has taken place on that yet. Also, last time you talked about the Welch Park Insurance and I think, Peter, were you gonna follow up on that? I did follow up. I spoke to, I've been leaving voicemail met, so not the insurance. I followed up on the issue. I'm getting my self confused here. I followed up on the issue of getting the final signatures on the paperwork. Sarah gave me Matt Oates number. I've been leaving him messages. I've left, I think, three messages so far, so far no response. If I don't hear from him, I'm gonna go up the ladder. Who knows? He may not be working. We just don't know what's going on, but it was definitely confirmed that Benderson is not signed off on the paperwork yet. So we're doing that. So in terms of the insurance, we need to have the insurance for the time being. Darinda and I had a discussion about potential bookkeeper candidates. We have some thoughts on that. We're working on that. Again, it's a very challenging time to get a hold of anybody and do anything. As much as you'd think everybody was sitting at home, sitting on their hands, so they don't seem to be responding very well. Well, this was on my agenda to bring up too, because in the orders tonight, there's $4,200 worth of payables that we're making on behalf of Welch Art. Our portion is 634. Right. So we're out of that money until we get it back from the powers to be. And we bill them, correct? Well, I haven't done anything because they're in tonight's orders. So once you sign off on paying these bills, then we will bill the other people. Yep, yep. I mean, this really needs to be done by end of year. I'm not gonna go into the next fiscal year on this. Yeah, I hear you. It's a challenge. I know. Well, but our fiscal year ends December 31st, right? No. No, June 30th, Mary. Oh, right. Okay, sorry. I know we went to the other one, but I couldn't remember which one. Right. Well, Push comes to shove. We'll have to hire a CPA firm, I hope not, but we've got some time. Well, we're talking about going out and borrowing money when, I mean, not that $4,000 goes a long way, but you know, that isn't money that we should be having to go out and borrow to pay on. Dorinda, I agree with you 100%. I think we all agree with you 100%. It's just getting it done. And if anybody, I mean, Sarah and I had a discussion, if anybody has any ideas about somebody who might be willing to take this on, it would be great to hear from you. What about, I mean, have you tried to get hold of Mr. Hardigan? I know that's not his name, but Hardigan, or is he out of his, he's still an owner of the property underneath, isn't he? Yes, yes, yes, to him, Mary. I mean, he is, he wants to, as much as he possibly can, he wants to wash his hands of this whole thing. But I mean, he's the president, isn't he? Well, yes, yes he is, but getting him to do things and getting him to respond is a challenge. If he answers his cell phone, that's great, but if he doesn't, it's like he's missing in action. And I just think he has a lot bigger fish to fry than worrying about Welch Park. And I'm sure that's true of Matt Oates too. We made a mistake way back when, when we thought it was in the town's interest to do this work and set this up this way. And now we're trying to undo it and nobody else seems to care very much about undoing except for Dorinda and us. So anyway, it's a challenge, but somehow we'll get it done. I keep saying to Dorinda, I'll get it done. She scowls at me and I tell her again, I'll get it done. We'll see, we'll see how it comes out. Do we have emails for either of those guys? Cause I think we should send them some emails too and just start kind of barraging them with things. They don't, I mean, I will marry, but they don't respond. I mean, I have a feeling, I have a feeling Matt Oates is in his basement taking care of his kids or something. I don't know where he is, but I can guarantee, I mean, the problem is, guys, this for everybody else is just a tiny little problem in the midst of a gigantic financial and business mess. And I just have the feeling that, you know, they're not interested in dealing with this. I'm trying to deal with it, but I'm just telling you, it's a struggle. And if anybody has any ideas or thoughts, I welcome your input. But we should not be doing it and we shouldn't have been doing it and we're still doing it, so. And we wouldn't wanna threaten to not renew it, right? No, no, no, we have to have the insurance. I mean, the insurance isn't a big issue other than the fact that it's money that we could use and we don't have and we're gonna have to wait a little bit to get the money back, but there's nothing, there's nothing which needs to be done that I know of that isn't being done and everything's okay. It's the handling of the bills and the way we handle them and it's setting up a structure where we have some kind of, maybe we have one meat here, I don't know what we're gonna have to deal with Welch Park issues. Every time I hear Welch Park, a cold shiver goes down my spine. And on the top of that cold shiver is Dorinda scowling at me from the other side of the mountain. As only Dorinda can. That's all, we need money. Okay, so Dorinda, do you have a sense of how the budget looks for the end of the year or really too early to tell? Guys got the last time, our last meeting, I had sent financials, didn't I? Yes, yes. Well, there's been no updates since then. Okay, but there's no... Other than what we know we had to pay, so we're taking care of the library one right now and then the biggie is the school. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So don't put this in the minutes, Sarah, but wouldn't you think there would be some savings from the school considering they're not operating? I won't say any more. Okay. Or the library. You do see that. That's your exactly right, Dorinda. I agree with you. I agree. Say Peter. Yes. Peter? Yes. That's me. Yeah, I had a couple of questions. I don't know if this is any other business yet or not, but... Well, if you can just sit in there for a few minutes, we'll zip through the rest of our agenda here and then other business is the last item back if that's okay. Thank you. We won't leave you out. Thank you. If I start to leave you out, remind me. But I'll try and behave myself. So we have minutes of our April 7th meeting. Is there a motion on the minutes? Just a second. Okay, it's been moved and seconded to approve the minutes of April 7th. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Okay, thank you, Liz. Any opposed? We've approved our minutes. Reappointing Ron Krauth as middle sex representative to the Central Monterey Regional Planning Commission and Transportation Advisory Committee. Is there a motion? He's agreed to do this, Sarah. I haven't been able to get hold of him, but I can't imagine that he's going to disagree. So let's just put it in and then... I think we always... So might move it. I move. Hold on, everybody. Have you got who moved it and seconded it, Sarah? No. Okay, let's try again. Who moved it? I did. No. Okay, and who seconded it? Whoever didn't move it. I seconded it, but I think there were too many firsts. Okay, well, we've got a first and a second for the record. I remove my move. You unmoved? I unmoved. It sounds messy to me, but I won't go into that. Okay, all in favor of reappointing Ron Krauth as middle sex representative to the Regional Planning Commission and the Transportation Advisory Committee, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Okay, we've approved Ron, he's in there again. Considering renewal of the Bear Roots Farm Market Class II liquor license action likely. I will move that. I'll second. Come on, Phil, give me a chance. Okay, I'll unmove my second. Thank you. Just because she's cooking doesn't mean she can't make motions. I know. Okay, so it's been moved and seconded to approve the Bear Roots Class II liquor license. All in favor of the motion, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? We've approved their liquor license, thank you. And the DLC head asked that there be some sort of notation in the minutes that it's approved. We're gonna send them in, but then you will sign them at a later date whenever we can ever get together. So just put that in the minutes. Can we just add that to the motion? Yes. Thank you. So do we all have to sign it or is it just me? All of you. Okay, so what we would... So the way the application reads is it counts how many select board members we're for and for against. So what I'm gonna do is I'm just going to print your name and say that there was no one who objected and then send it in with a note saying, with the minutes and a note saying that we'll have signatures later. It's just gonna be, they've just made up these rules on Friday. Okay. Perfect. No, that sounds good. That sounds good. We've talked about the waters. You have the orders in your email. So again, you just need to send it to Sarah, saying you'll approve the orders. Everybody's good with that? Will do. Yes? Yeah. Yes. Correspondence, Sarah. We received a letter that I forwarded you and that from Steven Whitaker, who I think Phil knows Steven Whitaker and also maybe you do too, Mary. Well, I forwarded, I guess yesterday, he sent me a letter asking for some information. It's a long letter, basically through the study of how much we spend on mutual aid and excess. I thought your response was terrific. Let him do it. That's the law. If we don't have a separate report, like our mutual aid report for the past five years, we don't have to create it and we shouldn't be creating things that don't exist. So he couldn't go through that himself. Yep. Perfect. I didn't disagree with his comments about the city of Montpelier and their handling of this whole dispatch issue, but we'll have to see what happens. The town of Middlesex is not going to take on regional dispatch. At least I hope we're not. No. Okay, any other business to come before the board at this time? Mr. Dwyer, you're up. Oh, Sarah's up first. Hold on. I had through this, I got a request this afternoon from the Middlesex Bandstand Committee. They are not going to be able to have concerts this summer at the bandstand. So they wanted to know if it would be okay if they had bands play here at town hall and they would live stream it. There would be no participants would just be the band members and whatever crew they needed. And then they would live stream them from here. Since that doesn't seem to be a bathroom issue, which is always the town hall issue. I thought that maybe it would be okay, but I told him I would bring it before the board. And also since Phil knows about the acoustics here, if he wanted to chime in. The acoustics in town hall are great as they are in most town halls, you know, wood floors. And yeah. And I would assume the way they're gonna have to set this up, they probably will need some person, somebody like Bennett to do the amplification and then put it into the live stream so that it sounds like something. But yeah, that's a cool idea. And we're gonna charge them because unless you guys say don't charge them, I can't say. Oh, look at Dorenda Nutterhead. I say charge them. When they said they've never asked for town money. Well, we discussed it. Charge them. He said, yeah, I mean, I said, maybe you can repair one of these broken windows here. Don't charge them, are you kidding? They're cool with it. I say charge them. Well, it's up to you, you're the select board, you decide. I vote against charging them. I vote for it. Can we make a motion? No, nobody made a motion. It's not warned, if you wanna talk about it later, you know, it's not a warned agenda item. I don't understand the purpose of charging them. Are you charging them the fee to use the room? Are you charging them for the electricity? I mean, what were you gonna charge them? Charge them for people who use town hall for half day, which at the bare minimum, it's 25 bucks. I mean, we're not talking about making and go out of business. No. And then cover the electricity that they're gonna use. Well, at $25 covers the, that's supposed to cover those expenses as well. Right. And 50 cents of flush. And 50 cents of flush. We've never, we've never charged for that. No, no, no. I mean, to me, if the idea is that we wanna be saying, we're being consistent and we're charging, $25 is not gonna break the bandstand committee. On the other hand, I don't disagree with you, Liz. This is a community activity and they put a lot of effort into it. If it was up to me, I'd waive the $25, but someone wanna make a motion on that subject. I don't think it can make a motion. No, you can't. It's not warned. Oh, cause it isn't warned. Okay. Yep. Gotcha. I just wanna, I just want you to see the type of repairs we've got up here. See that? Yes. Oh, here's this, here's this tape over this window. Over here. Look, charge those. So with all due respect to our treasurer and our town clerk, the bottom line is we have a budget for those repairs. Yes. We may not have a budget to build a new town clerk's office, but we certainly can fix a few windows. Anyway. Those are all single paying, right? And luckily, luckily we have somebody who's volunteered to repair the mailbox if he ever gets around to it. You guys, how much more is left because the sun is out and it would be nice to get outside? So before we run on and forget about Vic, he wanted to be heard. So Victor, you're up. Thank you. Hey, what I was gonna ask about was, back on, I think it was March 7th when the first meeting after town meeting. Yep. We were gonna get together, Steve, and I don't know if Paul was gonna be in on it or not. I realized we have the COVID-19 issue, but maybe here in the next week or two, we could do that if we could meet. It'd be three people or two people or more than that. I don't know. I just wanted to follow up on that. Vic, this is Steve. Let me answer that. Sure. I wrote up something for a special public works meeting with the public invited because back in those minutes on that right there, it wasn't going to be just three or four of us. It was gonna be the town is invited. So I did a what, why, when, and where in a little agenda and Sarah will be putting that out so that we can get some responses back. But as far as the when, I had put down after the COVID-19 social gathering restrictions are lifted. So I don't know what that date would be. I mean, I could put an arbitrary date in there of sometime in May or the 1st of June or whatever, but I did do something on that. So that is moving forward. Thank you. Another question on this McCulloch Hill resurrection. Is that still going to start in May 1st of May as it says in the town report, May and June? It will not be starting in May. Okay, okay. That's fine. I just, just wondering. And another, of course, we were going to talk about the setup, something for about the town hall and new town garage. There's been some discussion on that about people funding, more wealthy people in town might be able to donate some money as part of that. That's just through discussion with local neighbors here. So it's not anybody had any volunteers to raise their hands to come up with the money? Well. Yes, yeah, they did. They did, yeah. And, but anyways, so I was just wondering about that if we were going to move forward with that, but it sounds like we'll do that after the COVID-19 pandemic is open for more social interaction. It's kind of part of the capital. It's going to be tough. I've participated in some pretty big Zoom meetings. And I would say once you get past 10 or 12 people, it gets pretty unwieldy. Right, right. I'm not asking for that at all. And also I don't want to exclude people in town who wouldn't have access to Zoom. So hopefully, hopefully, hopefully, hopefully over the summer here, these restrictions are going to be eased up and we'll be able to have meetings. I mean, we can also, you know, stand outside in the parking lot behind the town garage and stay six feet apart on a nice summer evening. But. Right. There won't be many people there. Forward. Yeah. We haven't forgotten about that back. Okay. And then the final thing is, does anybody, I know it says that in the town report, I think it's down the road three years. The pavement from where Steve lives back to the interstate. It's horrendous. It's what? It's horrendous. Yeah. That's not a repaving project in my experience. So. No, but I would say. I'll let Steve address that, but we've been trying almost every year to get a grant to work on that stretch of the road. Right. We've been unsuccessful. So, you know, it is virtually, at this time financially unfeasible for us to, for us to tackle that for all the reasons that you're well aware of. Right. If in fact, the long run prognosis is that there can be, you know, no more paving grants for reconstruction grants for projects like that. You know, we'll have to consider whether we take that back to a gravel road or what we do. I mean, who knows, but I agree. I mean, and I know Steve agrees and Paul agrees. I mean, we need to do something and it's just a question of the money. Okay. So where that's coming from, I had a discussion as Steve knows, and if he said if, you know, if I had any concerns or wanted to help and I guess that would be something that I'd like to talk to him about. That'd be great. Yeah. Just two of us or three of us or whatever. It doesn't matter. Yeah. No, that's fine. You and I can talk. Right. Yeah. Right. But you're right, Peter. I can just tell you, my preference would be to take that stretch of road back to gravel. But probably. There's a couple other options before you do that, Peter. Yeah. Well, yes, there is. However, I'm going to mention there are a couple of sections on that road now that you could consider dangerous. If they get much worse, there's a couple of sections we may have to put back to gravel. Right. All right. When that road's icy, it's dangerous now. Absolutely. Yeah. All right. Well, thank you. Thank you. That's it. Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Vic. Thank you. Anything else, anyone? Mitch, get those tennis nuts up. Nope. Hi there. Everybody, is it adjourned? Not quite. If you're not adjourned yet, I do have a quick question. Oh, geez, Mitch. I bet the league of this, Vermont League of Cities and Towns has put some stuff on their website that sort of has some guidance for open meeting laws under the emergency order or meeting remotely and things. I found some good stuff. And one comment that I ran across was, I'm just curious, Sarah, when you post agendas for public meetings, where do you post them exactly? Or when you notice a public meeting? If it's a regular public meeting, if you go to their website, we have a whole section on planning commission, select board, select board agendas, ZBA, that's where we put them. Okay. Design to easily put those up repeatedly. Okay, because I attended a round table discussion with the Central Vermont Regional Planning Commission, and there was references made there to apparently in a lot of towns, the select board will have designated three places in town where notices are always posted. I don't think that we do that in town because we don't have three. We do. We do. To the way you have, the select board has voted on it, and the three places in town are the town clerk's office, town hall, and Romney school. So what I do is I email the agendas to Romney school. They're supposed to put them up. I put them up at town hall and I put them down at the town clerk's office. But it's kind of a moot point now. But if it's a special hearing, if it's something like a public special town meeting, then there are different posting requirements. And we do, I follow those. Okay, very good. We can discuss this later doesn't have any part of this meeting, but thank you. So I'm coming to hear my question about the tennis nets. Yes, I'm going to put them up. We've been having snow on and off, but I've sent an email to the principal just to say, Hey, we should talk about, which space is yours and which space is the town's? Well, there's no talking about it. Well, I should advise him of the issue. The issue is I received a couple of complaints that somebody had put a notice on the tennis court saying they were closed until further notice. Yep, I did notice that. And that's not their space to regulate. So I'll get that take care of. It's very interesting just as a sideline. I know everybody's anxious to go. So Mary and I have been walking four or five times a week around the track down at Montpelier High School with our beloved four-legged friend. Yeah. The tennis courts down there are all locked up as are the tennis courts at U32. Yep. But the people down there playing tennis all the time they just climb over the fence. Sure. So much for learning the game. I see no reason why people can't play tennis if they're practicing social distancing. Sure. I'll take care of it. Okay, thank you. So are we all set, ready to adjourn? Liz has got her dinner ready. We are. I do, I made chili. But you're going to enjoy the fresh air. I'm gonna go take a walk with the family. Yes. Sarah, can I talk to you for a minute after it's adjourned? I'm sorry? I wanted to see if I could talk with Sarah after the meeting is adjourned just for a minute to talk about that special meeting. Okay, that's fine. You'll stay on, Sarah. Yes. For a minute. Okay, so the meeting is adjourned. Liz, stay out of the beaver water, please. I'm gonna get you earlier. Don't drink any of it. Again. I know, I'm scared. Okay, bye. Don't drink it. Thanks, everybody. Good night, everybody. Good night. Good night. They're gonna throw me under the bus. Thank you for not throwing me under the bus. So on that special meeting, you were saying that you thought I should put a date in there, but just, you know, if we have to change it, change it, is that your suggestion? Well, I think that, so the restrictions are supposed to be lifted May 16th, right? That's 15th. If we just look at the calendar, before we get into summer, so to speak. So April, so May 16th is the first day afterward. If you, like May 30th is Memorial Day, you wanna do it on a Sunday, I mean, on Saturday. Saturday, do it on the 23rd. Do it on the 23rd and have a specific time and just note that, because otherwise it's gonna be. Then well, let's set it up for, let's set it up there. Now you can redo this thing. One of the things I noticed the email that I put down there for you when I did this, isn't right. Oh, don't worry about it, but it's not gonna be the whole select board, right? Or is it going to be the whole select board? This is not going to be the select board. It's gonna be Paul and I up in front of an audience. Okay, so you don't have to, it doesn't have to, Whoever comes. Yeah, it doesn't have to be a special meeting. It's just going to say, you know, public, it's not like a formal town meeting. You're not going to have a. What I did on the heading on that was I put special public works meeting. Right. So, okay. Don't worry. If you want to edit that and reword that, that's fine. I'm fine with that. You do very good job at that. If you call it a public works forum, then people won't expect that there's going to be any action taken. Like if it's a public meeting, they're going to think, okay, the select board's going to be there. It's a special meeting, a town meeting. You know, things are just a form. That's perfect. Do that then. Do it as a public works forum. What time do you want it on the 23rd, do you think? 10 o'clock. 10 a.m. At the, where? At the town hall. Town hall up here? Yes. Where I am? Okay. Yeah, because next day is, the next weekend is green up day. The next Saturday is green up day. The new green up day. Oh yeah. Okay. So 1030, I was just thinking, do you want to try to meet outside, whether permitting? That'll give people peace. I don't think we're going to have that many people there anyway. Okay. If we do, I'll just say, well, we're going to move it outside, but I don't think we're going to have that many people. I mean, and one of the things I see, I ask for, I put a note on there for brevity and efficiency of time. If we could have their questions or whatever in advance. Okay. Yeah. I didn't put all of that there. The only thing is, Steve, you're probably, there's probably still going to be some restrictions. So my advice would be to say, either they don't want to go into the town garage, but they, you know, meet at the, on the steps of town hall, that way everybody can keep some distance. If the weather's bad, try to come inside and keep some distance. But that's a, those are, those are small points. I'm afraid people won't show up if they're worried, but maybe this crew doesn't care. I don't think there's going to be that many people there anyway. I think we're going to have the people that are concerned like Vic Dwyer and Ray Hickory and, you know, there's a few other people, you know, so we're definitely going to have them. There'll be some other people that are concerned about stuff. So I would really doubt if we have more than 10 or 15 people. I know. I just don't think you're going to, I don't think you're going to be able to have 10 or 15, more than 10 people here. And I am kind of concerned about the bathrooms, but that's okay. Yeah. Because I've got to sanitize everything down, you know? Yeah. Well, let's see what the restrictions are at that time. Sounds good. I say. We can always change the date. So at least you have a date and a time and get the questions in. And is there a deadline where you want the questions beforehand? Do you want them in by the 16th or the 18th or? Yeah. Why don't you ask them to please have questions or concerns in by the, I don't know, the 18th? Okay. So we have a chance to review them. Okay. And do you want them sent to MDX Clerk or do you want them sent to? I want them, I want everything sent to you. Okay. All right. Either via email or snail mail. Gotcha. Great. I'll have that tomorrow. Okay. So you can edit that paper that I did up. Now I'll put it on the website and I'll send Vic and in detail send Vic tomorrow, the thing to do that. And, but you don't want to do it by Zoom, right? No. No, I don't. I, no, I don't. I really don't. Okay. I mean, if we actually had to and this thing is going to keep lingering on, then we can change and say, all right, let's set it up to Zoom and see what we got. All right. Well, that sounds good. May 23rd, 10 a.m. at town hall, provided that that's after the social, the restrictions are lifted and questions in by May 18th to MDX clerk or five church street, middle sex. Perfect. Perfect. Great. Sounds good. Great. Good now. All right. Thank you, Sarah. All right. See you later. Goodbye. Bye.