 Hello, hi, and how are you doing? Gordon of the Tech Star here. Welcome to another thrilling and exciting episode of Hivachi Talk. In the house with me today is the lost nomad of the world, the security guy. I'm Gordon of the Tech Star, and this is Andrew, the security guy. Good to be back, brother. Nice to see you, man. It's terrific to have you here. We have a great guest today, too. We have Ryan Bonaman. I'll get it right. It's your last name. I'll lock that puppy in there. He's going to talk about the value of internships. As a student, we'll see how that works out. So, grab yourself a libation, pull up a chair, and sit down and join us for another 28 minutes of thrills like you've never seen before. Hivachi Talk, man. Hivachi Talk. Anyway, we do news, and I've been doing a lot of following on cryptocurrencies and Bitcoin, and so I give my little update before we get into knowing who you are. So, anyway, I did a presentation last week at the Harvard Club. Okay. And apparently, Think Tech was there, and they recorded it. So, I don't know where it ended up, but I'll have to ask Jay where that may have ended up. But anyway, so one of the things I talked about Bitcoin last time I was on the show was the fact that there's so much popularity with it now that it's lagging on getting the transactions processed. So, there's been lots of debate about how to do this thing, and so this thing called Segwit 2 looks like it's going to be recognized as the way to speed up the transaction authentication process. And 80% of those that are in the Bitcoin cryptocurrency field are behind it. So, I think that's going to happen real soon. So, the other thing is that the United States government, FBI has asked for a $21.6 million budget and 80 new employees to watch over things like countergroups including drug hackers, virtual currencies, and all of this. So, the FBI is looking to get into this because I've mentioned this before. There's a lot of Ponzi schemes out there. There's a lot of people pretending to take, pretending that they've got something and they're taking your money. They're called ICOs, Initial Coin Offerings. And so, I see a lot of that happening out there. And I tell everybody, I'm not telling you to invest in this, and I'm telling you if you decide you want to get into it, it's your money. Be prepared to lose it, but you better pay close attention to what's out there because you just can't do it on a whim. Interesting. Yeah, it's interesting. Then the interesting, Christine Lagarde, she is the director of the International Monetary Fund. Okay. I said, type of distributed ledger. That's the ledger that's used to manage cryptocurrencies as a defense against cyberterrorism. So, again, the banks are going to be looking at the ledger cryptocurrencies and how all this thing works. And I told everybody before, you're going to see this for real estate transactions, not the money just tracking the estate deals, the ledger for student registrations. You're going to see this is going to be the new secure way of it. We're going to be processing transactions. Yeah, everything that needs a receipt, right? Yeah, anything that needs a receipt. I can agree there's been an authorized transaction where you can track it with that ledger. So, an example is real estate. You buy a piece of property, right? You got to do a title search. 30% of all title searches in the U.S. have errors in them, 30%. But if you move that to a ledger technology, the cryptocurrency type technology, that would essentially go away because they all have to be authenticated and every transaction builds on the next one, on the next one, on the next one. To me, according to the new internet, that whole ledger is the whole new internet. When did it all originally start from being completely anonymous? Like, you could get bitcoins and spend them and it would be all... Satoshi. Yeah, the mystery man Satoshi. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. It's your generation, dude. Man, this is something you should be at. Anyway, let's get a little background on yourself. So, you're a student at KCC. I am. How'd you land there? So, how'd you land there? How'd you land it? I've been stationary for almost six years. Did you grow up here? I did not. I'm actually from a small town in Illinois, in southern Illinois, so somewhat near St. Louis, Missouri. Okay. So, when I first came out to Hawaii, I was visiting my older brother and, of course, he showed me the ultimate time in Hawaii. I loved it. I said, you know what, I just want to come out and give it a shot and see if I like it. Ten years later, here I am. So, I decided to stay and my main objective in the beginning was to start going to school. In the beginning, I wanted to go to business school. That's my main thing. I want to have my own business and that was my ambition, my goal. And upon going to business school, I just found out I didn't... Maybe that type of schooling wasn't my style. I just didn't like the way you're teaching. It just didn't seem practical for me. So, what I did is I kind of took some time off, tried to start a business with friends of mine, my brother. Long story short, a couple of years ago, I ended up starting a tour company with about nine guys in Waikiki, which we still run today. Oh, awesome. And then decided I wanted to go back to school to get that degree as a just-in-case type thing. Right. But actually, now that I'm back in the IT program, the ISD or ITS program, I get those two mixed up. I'm finding that... Not on the exam. You know, I find out that I really enjoy it and actually think I want to do a full career in this and even have my business still on the side, but really push forward because I have an internship with ISD and it's been going great so far. So, I'm kind of curious to see where that goes and kind of excited to get started with it. So, you're one of your professors, is David Stevens? Yes. So, who runs the Cyber Underground? Friday's. Underworld? Underground? Yeah, underground. Tune in. I always get it wrong. One day I call it the Cyber Underwear. So anyway, so he's one of your professors. Fantastic professor. And he's got that show every Friday at... One. One. So, and you're the co-host on there. I am. It's our spin-off. Cheers. That's all I have said. So, how... Are you... Freshman, Junior, where are you at? 7. Believe it or not, as of right now I'm 26. Okay. I still am pursuing my associates. Okay. So, after this next semester I'll have my associates. Okay. And then with a few certificates. Yeah. A network plus, security plus. Yeah. So, kids it's never too late. Even school. Yeah, I was 45 when I went to school. I never went to university until I was 45. Yeah, everyone got their own pace and... That's different. That's different. Yeah, that's their own pace. You know, it's fine. What school that would let me in. That's nice. Anyway, so... So, that's terrific. So, how's the program? Yeah. So, it's actually, from my understanding it's somewhat new to KCC. So, you know, I believe they started only the past two to three years and they really started amping up this IT, like cyber security program, at KCC. Because, of course, HCC's had it for a while and now they are really focused on the cyber security side and they're doing great at it. So, I think this is kind of KCC's way of combating that and starting to get serious about it because they've seen the market, they've seen how many jobs are coming up, how much companies actually need with all these recent breaches, which I'm sure Dave talks about a lot in the shows. Right. So, I think it's becoming a lot more important and I think kids my age and even younger are really starting to realize how important it is to kind of maybe take that route if that's something you're interested in. So, are internships a key component? I like the call these up. Internship, I was... I'm not like... I like apprenticeship. Yeah. You know, I remember like Carpenters had apprenticeships. Sure. Yeah, I like to call these like it's an apprenticeship. Learning how to do things from the experts in a particular field that you're studying. So, is this an integral part of what KCC or is it up to you to go and find those opportunities? It is a requirement for at least my program that I'm in to have a semester of an internship. That's a class. Yeah, it's a class. So, he has to do so many hours of work in the field. Okay. The nice thing is they actually do provide a group of possible companies to intern with. Okay. The way I find out about IST is through Dave Stevens. Okay. He recommended to me, you know, basically what I said I wanted to do is more of the sales side and kind of push on that tech route. Right. Rather than just be more of the programming side. And so, he put me in touch with Andrew and Christine Lanyon and I mean, it's been great so far. So, I'm excited about it. Pretty fun. But I guess you could go out and find your own internships if you were, you know, more aggressive. But I think KCC does provide that service for the students to make it a little bit easier for them. Now, are these paid for or are they... I believe some of them are free. I believe some companies are free. Free 99. Free 99. Fortunately, IST has been very good to me and they are paying me for this time. Okay. So, I really appreciate that. But I think it's important for everyone to have an internship. That's the best way I learn is through trial and error. I'm not, like, open a book and read a book. Like, I like to be hands-on and that's how I learn best. Yeah, you learn by trial and error, not by trial and error. At least to my belief. The rules surrounding it are if they actually come in and are doing work that you would have had employees doing, then you must pay. Oh, so you've got to deal with that state of Hawaii labor laws or is that federal labor laws? Something like that. I wish I knew about it because I'm not the HR piece of our business, but he works, so he gets paid. Okay, he works and so he gets paid. I think if they come in and they just, like, shadow and they don't actually do anything that other people would be doing or that you need done, then it's a little different. Maybe if they did filing or something, it wouldn't matter. If they're working and we, you know, Ryan has gone through our training process for our CRM and all this kind of stuff, so he's getting, as if he's just onboarded, you know, like, he's not working 40 hours a week, but, you know, when he's there, he's doing the same thing everyone would do that we hire. Well, the good thing for you is you get to test whether or not, you know, this could be a potential employee down the line. Yeah, you try to hire him and see, you know, after the internship, then we say, hey, let's hire him. As long as I'm messi-ing up. He knows there's stuff. Well, we like to mess stuff up. You will. I can guarantee you. You will. You will. I'm dealing with some projects right now and some of the experts have really messed up. So did you take the summer? Are you in class now? I'm not in the summer yet. The classes that I need to finish off at KCC were not available in the summertime. Okay. And I'm hoping with KCC that actually next semester they open up a secondary internship class because after the internship, you actually have to take a class as well. Okay. So I'm hoping they set up a second one because the students didn't set enough room. So there's like 14 of us that don't have that class. And if I didn't graduate, I'd have to wait a whole semester to take that class. Now, how many students are in the program? Ballpark. Gordo, I don't want to lie to you. I'm not really sure. 50, 60. In a cybersecurity program? Yeah. It's relatively new. I think there's probably less than 50. Okay. But that's still a significant number in fact. Yeah. It's a lot more people showing interest. Dave was talking about 20. 20, they started and then another 20. I think there's 40. And then maybe the new wave will start with the next semester or next spring or something like that. So it's growing. It's growing. Yeah. And we talk about careers and the few people that watch the show, these opportunities are sitting there presenting themselves to individuals like you're talking about. Yeah. I'm sure more businesses aren't coming in recruiting you guys. So did they bring in outside speakers as a part of the coursework there? Oh, they did. They have the KCC job fair, which is kind of very vague. But they did. Yeah. They did. We go to that too. Yeah. They also have an advisory board that I said on at KCC. Oh, awesome. It advises the faculty on programs that should start, that should start up. And one of the ones that came up a number of years ago was to set up a program dealing with cybersecurity and those kinds of things. And they obviously listened because they had the program now and they've started that. Were you there for, they had a meeting where I guess a bunch of heads of companies came in as cyber security professionals to kind of assist people with the internship. It wouldn't allow me to go because I didn't take the internship class yet. Okay. You actually had to be in the class. I did. I did not. But when that one was going on, I was with another firm and someone from that firm went on my, from on my stead for that one. Yeah. So I'm a one man show now. So having an intern, an intern, I got to make sure I got to, someone I'll figure out how to pay them. Yes. And then try to figure out how to put 50 years of IT stuff into their head, of which 90% is school stuff. What? It changes like that. It's changing like that on top of that. So you said you also got some certificates along the way. So is that a mandatory or a P, how does that work out? Not necessarily mandatory, but in, in IT field, you know, you're well aware. Having certificates is definitely a plus when you're looking for jobs. When you're, if you're an independent contractor and you're working with companies as a consultant or what not. It helps because it shows that you have that experience because you have to consistently keep up with that certificate. Like constantly be tested every few years to make sure you're updating what's going on. Right. So I think that's important. CompTIA or ISACA. CompTIA, they have the Security Plus Network Plus. They have the, what's the cyber security one? The Cloud Plus and. CCSB and all the different ones. So it's something to make, for the viewers to make note. So you can be going to school and you're getting the general generic education and what's going on. But then the various technologies or infrastructures or whatever you want to call it, or companies have their own certificate programs. Absolutely. That are not necessarily taught at school. Right. And those are, they are just as important, if not more important than what you're getting taught at school. And that's true. You could honestly go online and teach yourself IT and cyber security and learn to code at home and then just get these certificates as like a secondary thing or as a plus to what your own, you know, self-taught ways are. So it's good for, it's good for those ones. And you guys have a lab there. I know Dave talked about housing. So that gives you, and it's segregated from the KCC network of course so you can play malware. Right. So we sometimes use the actual lab they have there to kind of more of a hands-on PC operating maintenance where we kind of take apart computers, put them back together, play them on the boards. For the cyber security side, we actually go into a virtual, it's like a net lab. So it's kind of a, basically a virtual computer that's off of a network and you can, you know, install malware, viruses and kind of play with that to the point where it won't affect anybody. You won't be, FBI won't be knocking at your door so it's safe to mess around on it. Which is nice. Okay, with that we got to take a pause. Okay. We got to take a minute. I got to pay some bills. I got to go grab Angus. He's really irritated on something today. Oh, is there a rant today? So he's got a rant. Anyway, so we'll grab Angus and we'll be back here in about a minute. You're watching Think Tech Hawaii which streams live on ThinkTechHawaii.com, uploads to YouTube and broadcasts on cable OC-16 and O'Lello 54. Great content for Hawaii from Think Tech. Match Day is no ordinary day. The pitch, hallowed ground for players and supporters alike. Excitement builds, game plans are made with responsibility in mind, celebrations are underway. Ready for kickoff, MLS clubs and our supporters rise to the challenge. We make responsible decisions while we cheer on our heroes and toast their success. Elevate your Match Day experience. If you drink, never drive. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Batchi Talk. Andrew, the security guy here. We've got Ryan Borneman, IT intern from KCC. And of course, Angus is in the house. Today's security minute is a little different. I have a little gift for the Texar today. This is a little bit of Viking schnapps. I happen to know he's got a little Viking in him. So I thought I'd take this moment just to present a little gift from Iceland since I've been traveling and not been on the show enough for you today, sir. Angus, good to see you, buddy. What is my gift? You're a wee chippy. What am I sharing with you? How do you make me a wee man? We make schnapps. You've got more than a wee man Viking in him. You've got a lot of Viking in him. Ryan, how are you doing there, man? I'm doing good. Good to see you in school. Stay in the trouble. We're following that other guy's footsteps over there. Angus, we crack open this bottle right now. We crack it open for sure. Get ready for it. Anyway, you know, when we were talking about shopping, people were not being lazy and whatever, really irritating me. So it was, I know, we tripped to Mexico. So I took this picture of this person on the airplane. You've got to be kidding me, people. Are you guys actually getting on the airplane doing this kind of thing? I don't hear a thing. You got that photo up there? Is that available? Anyway, the person was sitting in the chair with their feet up on the back of the other chair. Ooh. If I had been sitting in the chair in the front, I would have walked around and given a skite and a one. Take it easy. Yeah, come on, people. You get a life. Some people don't fly much. They're driving me crazy. I tell you. You're not going to do that, right? I don't do that. Many of millennials are going to do this kind of stuff. All right, you better. I'm watching you a lot. Anyway, that's why we rent for the day. No tech, no nothing just rent. Anyway, like I said at the end of the segment, like a wing game for you. Are you a bee? Hello? Nice. Good job, Angus. And seriously, you know, when you're flying out there, be courteous, man. I've been on so many planes this year. I think I already made diamond like 150,000 air miles. But be courteous to the people in front of you. Don't be kicking their ass. You know, keep the, you know, have road rage in the cars. We don't need road rage on an airplane. All right, goodbye. You're telling me. Air, airplane. Thank you very much. Yeah, some low key, man. This will be, I've never had low key. So this will be a first. Very well. It's a pure and natural drink for real Vikings. That's it. Wow. I got to wear my helmet next time. I'll be there with it next time. Thank you so much. Angus and I will share that. Anyway, we're talking with Ryan and we're talking about the internship, which I like to call apprentice, apprenticeship. Sure. Because carpenters and plumbers and all that stuff used to do it. And I can't tell people do the same thing. So again, so why did you pick this, this career? What made this one jump out of it? You said business and then all of a sudden you kind of made this turn. Well, really it was, I've always had to think for computers. I always liked computers. I've always thought it was neat how they pretty much controlled so much. Our lives. So as moving forward, it just got more and more and more. I started to think, well, 15, 20, 30 years from now, look how adapted we are and how connected we are to everything. So 30, 40 years from now it's just going to be three times that. So I figured if I want to get a degree and I want to be in the workforce, it's probably smartest to spend that time in school for the four years of actually getting something that's going to matter. It's going to matter forever. I don't ever see technology going away. Yeah, it's not definitely. You really teach yourself but in class, you're sort of forced to sit there and actually absorb because you know, so many things pull you away and it really takes time to learn and become adept. You know, and understand just different, the power of a program, what you can do with it. Most of us have all this capacity and we use about one or two percent of it. You know, we learn how to do a couple little macros or a couple little things in power software. Microsoft Word. Yeah. Not many people really adept in the ways that you can. Well, there's those that get educated and those that learn and I think that's where the apprenticeship comes into play because you're learning. Right. Whereas if you're getting educated about it in the programs at school but not until you get under the road, do you learn things. Now, what's been the biggest surprise about going out and you've started your own company so you have some familiarity to that but going out and working for a company like IST, what's been some of the surprises that have hit you that you weren't it's so funny because I'm so off of the normal nine to five job that I haven't worked that in eight years. You sound like a millennial. Nine years. Ever since I've been doing this job I make my own hours I work whenever I want I can go in there's no boss calling me and I got so comfortable with that but now that I'm back into what people call a normal work day, it's actually kind of nice. It's different to me and it's going to be challenging with the kind of companies they work with it's a lot larger business was. What I did on a daily basis as far as sales was concerned was a very small minuscule thing it was still fun I enjoyed it but this is a whole new industry I can get into something else I can learn I can grow with so that's kind of what I'm really excited about but it's also going to be a challenge but I feel like I have good leaders next to me. When we had a guy on last week Rich Lyman who you know from personnel I've been in this industry this cameras access controls credentialing electronic security it's like I put that adjacent to when the web came out I mean that's how big it is it's like cryptocurrency those three are all sitting there it's all new fronts for the technology for industries so you can get yourself into Ryan's getting to take a look at specifically like the healthcare vertical and then we do DoD vertical and then we've got a lot of other commercial verticals so he gets to kind of see the differences in there and the sales cycles and those and the needs and the regulations are different across all those domains he'll get a great glimpse over the summer of a lot of different aspects of business so selling is one thing delivering is the other I don't know where to get never oversell I always think she can follow through delivering that's always the challenges the teamwork he's seen how we have a lot of practice called traction which is a program we use it's an entrepreneurial operating system for managing the people and the different aspects of personality that come into play you've got to transfer what the customer wanted and told the sales person down to the ops people down to the installation team down to the it's got to be delivered as requested and so there's a process there and so he's going to get a glimpse of how our company does that a lot of ways to do that but ours is you know ours is borrowed from a known way of doing it which we implemented a few years ago which is pretty fun and I think it works well because just by being there for the short time I have it's kind of neat to see that there's multiple different departments but everybody on a daily basis is getting up for a quick meeting everyone works together on every project everyone knows what's going on so in some companies you have kind of everyone's in their own section and in the end that we can deliver what we're selling and this is not just unique to Andrew's company there's a lot of companies they've got you've got your salespeople you've got your designers you've got the technicians you've got the engineering group and they've all got to coordinate their efforts with whatever's going on and I'm dealing right now I've got all of those going on and then I've got to deal with the architectural firm and I've got to deal with the construction guys and then I've got to deal with their engineers that's why I got you to look and everybody this is going to go down so down well so that's why you've got all this kind of stuff going on so my advice to you as a potential if you get into the sale side make sure you understand the back end side right because you can end up selling something and give your whole team nothing but heartburn all the way down the line so that's not something that's there so what advice would you give to for young adults like yourself getting into this field or anything your entrepreneur you started your own business would kind of cool but what kind of advice would you be giving them now that you've got to experience some of this I would say definitely a lot of people are confused in college of where they want to go what they want to do with their lives it's very tough to know that at a young age I struggled with it when I was in my early 20s it's something I didn't really know and I kind of jumped around from business to tech I wanted to do communications to get done with it and be done I think you should look into it look into cybersecurity as I did read in the articles see how it's affecting our everyday world big companies like Google and Facebook they're being hacked if they're hackable we're all hackable see what's happening across Europe yesterday I mean all across Europe every single day every single day so that encouraged me to say hey you know what if I'm going to be in an industry and if I'm going to spend this time in school and a lot of people spend a lot of money for these programs let's make sure it's worth something that's you know good career and what's that job security I guess you could say that's interesting well you can create your own job and that's the opportunity that sits there you can have the opportunity to create your own business you can create your own job you can create your own career I mean back in my day and literally there's multiple generations just sitting here you're working with multiple generations but back in my day the thought of you working for more than one company was pretty unusual once you got your first job that was it you never moved on and how many times have I moved on which is not the norm for my age but you guys if you bring a lunch bag to work two days in a row you're a permanent employee I mean it's just like oh it's been nice here but I got an offer for $80,000 down the street and I only been here a week sure and what a lot of guys do have I've been hearing is they'll take jobs that you know whether it's a coding job or within a company and then on their spare time in the weekends they'll code freelance your company's overseas or just make extra money I mean it's such a nice field to be in IT and cybersecurity because it literally controls everything so as we're kind of winding down believe it or not we've burned through this thing already so Ryan you've been great having you as a guest on this show because you've got some energy and I like where you're heading I think a lot of young people out there watch this guy and pay attention to what he's saying you can learn a lot you won't listen to me as for sure I mean a great grandfather in the house no guest does not go unrewarded you get number 124 in the series of these awesome solo cups awesome so I've been seeing a few of them showing up on eBay for over $100 none of them sold but they're up there haven't sold any of them but they're all up there anyway so I just want to shout out to a few of my friends Bruce first name Bruce hang in there buddy you'll be well fast Hamish you're doing well looking forward to seeing you in about a month and as we say at the end of every show one, two, three now you're doing