 This is Think Tech Tech Talks and we're talking about why all the fuss about chat GBT. How will it affect the world? And after this moment we're going to meet Attila Suresse who will tell us everything. Okay, Attila Suresse thank you for joining us today Cypac and you are familiar with chat GBT. This is very important. It's been in all the news. Everybody is racing in order to find out what it is and to use it and it's usable. It's out there. My god and you know and you can tell us. So this is really a worthy discussion. Welcome to the show Attila. Thanks for having me Jay. So what is chat GBT? Where did it come from? And what you know in general now we can drill down. What can it do for us? Well for years now people have been getting more and more comfortable talking to a box, screaming requests and demands and having it delivered to their door in the form of Alexa or okay Google or whatever you want to call it. There's always something new around the corner. But really these kind of toys have been designed to sell goods or maybe tell you about the weather or help you figure out what your schedule is like. It's not really there to do anything more than give you information or to sell you something. With generative AI that all changes and it kind of flips the industry on its head which is why it's so revolutionary. So think of it this way. In the past maybe you'd ask like what is the weather? Well then Alexa would tell you what the weather is or your phone would tell you what the weather is. But what about advice? What kind of shoes should I wear today? And AI now puts those two and two together. I'll say okay well based on where you are this is the weather. And you should wear some clothes to choose because maybe your feet might get wet. Right? So that's the difference between AI and simple information. And the reason that Google has called Code Red on chat GPT is because it flips their entire business model upside down. Google doesn't have a technology problem. They got all the money. They got all the brains. They have all the data. But what they can't do is pivot their entire business model based on this. So folks have been using chat GPT as one of many generative AI engines out there and chat GPT is the most popular to do things and find out information that otherwise wouldn't be easily found on Google. I'll give you an example on how I use chat GPT the other day. I came home it was the end of a long day I said wow I really want to make some soup. And you know so I turned on my phone and I go to some soup recipes. And before I know it I'm being like sold Campbell's stuff and you know there's pop ups and there's some idiot dancing in the corner of my phone screen stride me crazy. So instead I just looked in my fridge I said what do I have here I got celery and potatoes. I have had a couple other ingredients as a HR GPT make me a soup with the ingredients I have in my fridge came up with a recipe soup was great. So that's a perfect example of using information and giving me real advice that I can use. And it goes on and on from there. Yeah we're going to go on as far as we can. So let's see the website that shows the offerings here the chat GPT website. And then we go from there and we'll see how it works at least in in in small in small ways. Okay there's a call the playground. And if you go on the website which is open AI dot com. It'll write an essay for you immediately. And then furthermore we've recorded something that Attila asked it to do that is write a little poem about me. So let's look at that one and see how that works and until you can read the poem. Oh yes so I asked chat GPT to write me a love poem to my good friend Jay who loves to talk on the radio and serve Waikiki Jay with a voice like honey on the airwaves you're a star with tales of waves and sunny skies. You take us all so far. Your love for the ocean is plain for all to see writing the waves at Waikiki is where you're meant to be. But what I love most about you is your heart that's pure and true. A friend like you is hard to find. I'm so lucky to know you. So here's a love poem for me to you for me to you. Jay my dear friend. I'll always think of you. And tell me isn't that better than something you're going to get in a in a in a card from a hallmark. You know it's out of Shakespeare. What's interesting is there's so much literature where the fellow wants to write a sweet poem to somebody and he turns to his friend and he says would you write that poem for me and the friend writes the poem and then you know that the fellow sends the other fellows home to the girl and you don't need that anymore. You can go on the chat GPT and you can you can have it write any poem you want to anybody and then it goes much further than poetry doesn't it. Oh yeah. So a lot of kids have been using this that's how they've been getting in trouble. In fact a student recently was busted for using chat GPT to write a senior thesis. And it's even gone as far as to publish a children's book that's available on Amazon. So recently also it just passed a a business school master class. So it was able to create content that was that would pass as a as a as a business student. And you know it keeps on going from there. My son came to me last week he says you know I'm trying to I'm writing a short short film a little Lego animated film for his school on the French Impressionist movement. And I would like to know who were the art critics of the time during the time of the fresh French Impressionist. So I put it in and sure enough it sped out the a perfect essay he could have turned in all the information all the research everything was was done in chat GPT. And that's that's one application but it goes so much further we use this a lot to debug code to debug scripting. It has all the major languages in there so it can not just convert computer languages and fix computer type challenges but it can also help you with you know international things. So if you want to ask things about different languages it can do that as well. It can debug code it can go through code and find code that's faulty and tell you where and how to fix it. Wow. Now there are some caveats to this and this is pretty important. So let's pretend you run a customer service department and maybe your people are not so eloquent with writing to a customer that they you know need to perform steps one two and three in order to repair this problem. You can put that into chat GPT and chat GPT will write you a nice thing. In fact you can one of the keywords you can put in chat GPT is write it as if I were a five year old. So if you're having a complex problem and explain it to me as if I were five it'll put that nicely together for you flip side of that is of course chat GPT now owns that content. So you want to be careful not to put anything too identifiable in there such as a customer's name. You say owns. I thought I heard you say owns. Yes. Is they claiming copyright in the text. They now own your your J with voice like honey love poem that I just read to you. They own that now that it has been generated by them. I wonder what about their competitors. You know that GPT may claim to own it but somebody else can do the same kind of you know AI on the same request the requester that you made for a poem and maybe not claim it. So there's there's all kinds of commercial possibilities here. Well you do know that on Monday Microsoft announced or should I say they confirmed their intention to put ten billion dollars into this open AI company the one that wrote chat GPT. That's how popular it is. It's it's hit mass media too. I mean it was featured on Saturday Night Live last Saturday. They did a segment on chat GPT. I mean it's hit that threshold. It's been around about a year now but in the past month it's completely blown up. We used to use it you know months ago never had any problems with bandwidth or hey our servers are busy right now in the past couple of weeks not the case. It's completely overtaken overrun by everyone using. Close your mind you know we have a voice engine software where you put the text in and then it reads the text and gives you a voice any number of voices you know really hundreds of voices. You can have somebody speak your text but then if you take chat GPT you don't even need that. You can have it write and speak or speak and so you can create a person five year old or fifty year old who can right who can who can speak whatever you ask that person to speak. Well there are some terrifying new technologies out there. One of them is you know this this new one it's called. Let's see it's another generative AI platform where they created a interview between Joe Rogan and Steve Jobs which of course never happened right because two didn't exist at the same time and this is all done by podcast nodes dot org there's a link to it on our website and they use generative AI to do this. Canva also uses generative AI to make custom artwork for you. So it's not limited to this and as you know Jay I sent you the information last week on what's going on in legal profession. I'm not you know I'm not an attorney so I don't know the impact or ramifications of this but AI has been successfully beating speeding tickets or parking tickets either speeding or parking tickets to the tune of like 450 of them over the past year and now it can act as your counsel when you're in court. Well you know what's interesting is you say when you're in court but there are so many opportunities to submit written work without going to court. I mean let's talk about politics for one minute then we get back to law. So Vladimir Putin has perfected the internet research agency and there's a whole building of people in Moscow who write out the text they use to upload to social media in order to try to change public opinion in a given place especially the US and change votes. In fact there have been a number of articles about this recently how the internet research agency was instrumental in electing Donald Trump in 2016. I got one today that was very impressed but I knew already that they were doing this they had this building full of people writing English appropriate to you know young people I suppose to go on social media and to be retweeted and republished all over and it had a significant effect in the election of 2016. So I don't need that building anymore. I don't need those people anymore. I can have the little machine write this this text out and deliver it by social media and people at the receiving end will you know will be affected. Their opinions will be their sensibilities will be affected and if you can say write it in a bubble you know tell me that the Constitution is wrong. Let's let's have another insurrection whatever it may be and and this could write whatever message you're asking and it could write it in such a way so that the audience that you're addressing it to I suppose it could also decide the audience that you're addressing it to would be listening. So wow that you you know he doesn't need the internet research agency if he uses this that's very scary and now to go back to the law okay a lot of cases are decided on paper. You submit your pleading okay by email or upload you don't have to go to court a lot of appellate decisions are being decided that way. So yeah I suppose you could have an appearance in court but likely it's not these days you don't and so if you had the machines writing against each other you know one uses the AI to write the opening brief another one uses the AI to write the reply brief and then the repuddle rebuttal briefs you could have the whole case framed up with AI. Well you know you're hit on a few good really important topics so one of them is social media on our blog I put together a lot of resources on how to get started with chat gpt it's on our deep watch on our site pack.com but specifically there what you want to look at is how you can use current training events on social media to then leapfrog like what you're talking about your agenda or if you have something of value and you want to tie it into something that's you know relevant then you know AI is the way to do it you know I'll take it one step further though is that there is another piece of generative AI that Microsoft has been working on and that generative AI takes a three second clip and based on that three second clip it can create an entire an entire conversation based on just that so it's called a vol e so vall kind of like walley and with three seconds only and it's there's a link to it also on the blog there it can reproduce your voice and this entire conversation so J you and I we could all just be AI engines and we wouldn't we could have an entire conversation without anyone knowing the difference what it be is interesting it might be I gotta say I listen to that Steve Jobs and Joe Rogan interview and there was some pretty good takeaways there I got it was it was believable I recommend you go it's there on the blog also just listen to that to that interview might be surprised but you know we're just at the beginning here this is kind of like you know Gutenberg press type innovation so you know it's kind of like in Gutenberg press times a thousand really so we're at the beginning you know I think we're just still starting to learn what these tools are but instead of being afraid by them I think we should learn to adopt them and use them so that we're not sidelined by them right so this is not a threat this is an opportunity for us to become better at content creation at curating content it's an assistive tool it's kind of like you know a lane assist or or cruise control for your car it doesn't take away your ability to think and drive it just helps you become a better driver on long stretches road well I think it's important to have counter measures if you will for example I'm I'm the professor that gets this paper and there's something about the paper that makes me quizzical over it so I run it through an AI discovery machine and in fact there was an article about exactly this kind of software young fellow made an AI discovery machine so if you have a problem or a concern about the written material you you got you can run it through this machine this software and it will tell you if it's you know the probabilities that it's been written by another machine so here's one machine being judged by another machine oh wow okay then if you go back into court with me and you have all these briefs being submitted by AI um you could have a machine that decides whether a given brief is the real deal or whether it's written by AI and then here's the best part you could have a machine that makes a decision about which side should prevail in this case and I've been waiting for that for years who needs judges you have the machine judge and query you know is the you know the problem is if I tell the AI lie and I have to be skilled I think to do this if I tell the AI to lie and make a completely outrageous argument will it do that and will it be identifiable as an outrageous argument and what do I need to do to identify outrageous arguments that same thought process is probably what it's programmed to do is exactly think about like where are the boundaries of what is outrageous and what is reasonable uh and it can think faster than we can so yes the uh you know we're on the verge of having a robot come back from the future and try to stop things from happening like the terminator but it is true how do you you know where do you draw the line between uh what is uh you know what is safe and what is right you know this is uh this is going to become we're going to have some big decisions coming up you know Elon Musk has been talking I know everyone's hates Elon Musk right now but him and as well as many others have been talking about AI as being one of the largest threats to humanity but it was kind of something in the shadows like you knew well maybe it's just tracking my shopping patterns like so what but now when kids are able to use AI to write their school reports or engineers are able to use AI to help better understand how to build structures and buildings and and software developers are using it to create code uh it becomes an assistive tool that leapfrogs us into the next generation and if you're not using it Jay if you're not using it you're being left behind yeah you know even something on the table for sure well but let me ask you before we go further on you know the effect of this it seems to me that you you have to program it you have to give it values and not only information you have to give it analytical values you have to tell it to come out on this side or that side or press this point or you know diminish that point um so it's it's it's not just a complete person it's a person you program and it would be different from one version of you know AI to another version if I if I go and look at um uh what is it chat uh chat gbt it it's been programmed by this group if I go look at the microsoft one it's been programmed by that group it's not going to be the same the result will be completely different and so we have to look at what's going in because what's going in is what's coming out well let me terrify you for a moment so chat gbt took static values so it took data from 2021 it's not connected to the internet so it can't tell you what happened on the news yesterday it's not there yet microsoft putting their 10 billion dollar investment they're going to tie it to being they want to overtake google and they might be able to because they have they see where this is going they can integrate this with microsoft word right so instead of having uh you know remember clippy I'm hoping they bring clippy back and make him an AI I think that'd be really fun but uh yeah having an AI engine assist in creating documents in word and excel and helping you do calculations and everything else game changer and once they tie jet chat gbt to the live internet that's essentially putting skynet online right there it's going to have every piece of information out there rather than just you know generative so here's here's the thing though um this has huge commercial possibilities I mean aside from writing papers for your teacher or writing briefs for court or writing promotionals that promote your business all very nice but there are some very sophisticated problems in our world that need to be resolved I mean and you'd make money if you could resolve them you could solve problems you were simply unable to do you and your 10 000 employees were unable to do so you lay it into you know uh open open AI so my question to you is this not everybody is going to be able to figure out how to address um the the chat gbt and get the answers they need to get it's going to take a little skill of course different uh open uh open AI programs will be smarter or maybe not as smart but in the end Attila somebody could help me uh I have a problem uh it's it's about business development it's about science technology something very complicated I have no clue on how to use it uh I could ask uh you know the AI to to tell me how to use it but I could also ask you Attila I could come to you and say you would you be my um you know my my open chat AI uh you know guru and help me phrase the request help me use the AI help me compare the products the AI products uh one against the other some might be better in engineering some might be better in writing poetry um I have to make a choice there and so I I need an expert and this is worth an enormous amount to me because of the value of the product so I suggest to you there's going to be people maybe including you Attila who I would come to who would be a guru for me and it would help me take my request and get a really good answer and change my company well you're right and you know I think you hit on an important topic Jay there are going to be those who have and those who have not you remember in the early days of the internet there were those that had dial-up those that had high speed internet how much of an advantage did we have as a country by being online before third world countries and so the push over the past few decades has been to get internet access to everyone on the planet and it's worked it's brought up the quality of life in the in the world uh there's access to and just we we have all the information now everyone has access to it in their pocket and this is going to become commercialized just this week um open AI changed from being 100 free to 41 dollars a month whoa they have uh they have a paid tier so now they throttle down so you can only uh you know have a certain number of requests per hour I think it's like 20 per hour then it's going to continue to change from there and uh those that know how to use this technology have access to it and are willing to pay for it we'll get ahead it's that simple oh that is chilling because what it means is that the the better AI programs are going to be worth more than 41 dollars a month you could have a whole corporation in one person with one terminal one you know computer asking these very difficult questions um you could but the way we earn our living the way we do our collaborative business development is going may I say this is going to change yeah we are knowledge workers Jay you and I we're not we're now we're not building something that's tangible so as knowledge workers every tool that gives us a better advantage to to do our craft even better is is very valuable and that's why I say to everyone who's in knowledge work whether that's accounting or creative work uh using generative AI not necessarily chat GPT but generative AI to create art to create video to create content create social media marketing any sort of you know language based stuff any sort of calculations engineering using a generative AI platform is going to be required I mean you're you're not going to be able to be competitive without it so I could say to my um the chat gbt why don't you create a conversation between me and tell us to rest and we'll play it you know at a given time and it'll it'll concern uh you know chat gbt and all these things and you can make it up you can have two voices and you can make us you can make photographs of us videos of us having this conversation and then I can go through my whole day here on think tech and I can have various conversations based on you know the Microsoft Bing approach of wrapping in all the news I could I could have the news coming and I could have features coming and I could teach people stuff only by asking a question have Attila and me or somebody else have a conversation make it last so long give me video and sound and replace the whole operation with it with a few instructions to the chat gbt am I right is this what is what you know like we have to hurry now in fact you know I didn't want to say this before Attila I don't want to tell anybody but this whole show was developed with chat gbt the whole thing you know people would believe you people would believe you Jay I mean so how do we you said we you know got to get into it or let me left behind how do we get into it what do we do now I mean this is not easy it's a it's a brand new jump into cold water how do we get into it well you got to start using it so sign up on the openai openai.com or just google chat gbt once you're in that's great it gives you a pretty basic display in fact I was showing it to you earlier Jay and you were not impressed I know but the links that I have on our blog so if you go to sidepack.com go to the deep watch blog you'll see a chat gbt quick start guide I have a hundred things you need 10 ways to maximize your productivity today I got a hundred things you should do with chat gbt before you get fired I got a complete listing to the open source archive of chat gbt phrases and tips and tricks on how you can start using it more effectively and guess what you have this other thing called google which also has lots of information about chat gbt because it's been on fire the past month everywhere from you know forums to the times they're all writing about chat gbt how it's used and since we're just at the beginning there's only a handful of stories I mean I just shared a couple stories about how I made a soup you know with ingredients in my fridge and how I was able to do some code debugging how I was able to you know help my son with his homework there's thousands of people using it every every which way and some people some ways are upsetting right some people are really upset that chat gbt wrote a children's book and then put it for sale up on amazon but it happened in november of last year yeah well if if it was chat gbt somebody else own the words I would have a real problem if amazon found out about it or anybody found out about it so okay last question what's the dark side you know whenever you have disruptive technology like this that clearly is going to change the world it could help but it could also change the world in bad ways do you see a dark side can you warn us about that you know a hammer can be used to well to co-author to use to create or it could be used to destroy so like with every new technology yes there are some downsides and I'm sure that people become more skeptical about the things that they see and read and hear which I believe we should be anyway right you know how do we know Jay's a real person I don't know Jay may not be a real person he could be a robot for all we know and AI will probably get that kind of healthy skepticism but in the same way I mean think about how much faster we can go how much better we can do I mean we are all once again we're in the knowledge work industry we are in professional services and any tool that can help us go better faster stronger easier it's going to be hugely impressive and attractive to anyone who's in this field what about cyber attacks can AI do cyber attacks faster better they already do okay fortunately they already do so this has been used for a long time for cyber attacks because it's a lot simpler right you know cyber attack is a simpler thing to do than to try to write an essay right that's that's more difficult should I say a convincing essay so from that perspective yes we're the AI has been long used for cyber attacks and and to to flicked harm on people and to find vulnerabilities and exploits and that kind of thing but from a from a professional point of view I think that our ability to communicate these kind of things better is going to improve with AI so we can we can take a complex idea such as a cyber attack and put it into chat gpt and say explain this problem and this solution as if I were a five-year-old and it'll give you a nice simple and easy to use understanding of of a complex idea and so from that perspective it's a great learning tool that's a great way to convey information I'm so glad you've studied it I'm so glad you have these really great resources on your website and and I'm so glad that you see into the future I'm not sure everybody does but I do I do feel that there will be those among us including you Attila that will help us in using it in having the benefit of it in so many ways this is the beginning of a long conversation with a real human tell us the rest sci-fi helping us understand things we would not otherwise understand thank you so much appreciate it Jack stay safe out there thank you so much for watching Think Tech Hawaii if you like what we do please like us and click the subscribe 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