 The more I hear this sound, the more it just infuriates me, okay? First of all, the precedent thing. Well, if that was going to be your case, then nothing would ever happen. There has to be a first time for everything. If our entire world was based on, well, it's never happened before, then literally nothing would ever get done. And he said, you really have to make sure it's worth it. You don't think this is worth it? They cheated to a world series. Your entire fan base is disgusted outside of Houston. Every player is disgusted outside of an astro. If not now, then when? So that precedent thing just drives me up a wall. Lazy lame excuse. The second thing that infuriates me is this arrogance that there's no life beyond our own. Well, everybody's going to know the scandal. Bull, we'll move on to the next thing eventually. But 100 years from now, 200 years from now, you take that championship away, then they'll have to look up why. But eventually it'll get forgotten like every other scandal. And that 2017 Astros will always be there. At least with an asterisk, I'd have to go look up and find out what the heck it's there for. But if we're to stand alone, do you really think that 200 years from now it's going to resonate as much as it does right now? Weak. I really am starting to lean towards the fact that the end game of this is that Manfred's out of a job. I think he really has to contemplate resigning. He is actually coming off as a buffoon to where the owners will not be able to support him. And doesn't he realize that he keeps dropping the ball to the point that the owners will just lose you? Because if baseball continues to look like a jerk, he's going to be the face of that. And the owners will lose him. He's lost the players already. And if he's lost the players, not based on some controversial call, Michael, or a fine or a suspension, he lost them because a championship was ill-gotten gain. The players are disgusted with him. Do you think the owners feel the same way? Outside of Crane? He got fined the five million. Once he loses the owners, he loses his job. He can't survive this. In essence, you're right. His job is to protect the owners. But outwardly, his job is to protect that shield. He's the commissioner of Major League Baseball. And he has embarrassed the game of baseball. And can we stop with, oh, Roger Goodell makes billions of dollars for the NFL? I would love to be able to sell a network on the NFL. All right? Roger Goodell is as smart as I am or anything. Of course, he's a lot smarter than me. But the point is he's selling the NFL. He's selling ratings, okay? He's got the ability to sell a sport that is at least the second most popular sport in the country. So stop. I'm sure somebody else can do that job. And they would have done a better investigation and handled the situation better. I just don't think that you judge everybody by their worst moment. And this is not a proud time for Manfred. But it's not destroying a sport. I told you last week, I believe it's going to help the sport this year. It's going to make every Astro road game a must-see. But that's not how you want to do it. It doesn't matter. But because that will eventually go away and it's going to further embarrass baseball when they're making these exciting games where they're throwing at Astros. And in essence, the players that they have thrown at will get more of a punishment than the Astros will. And in essence, baseball will be protecting the Houston Astros throughout the 2020 season, where if you breathe on them wrong, you're thrown out of games or get suspended yourself. I personally don't think you should be fired. I think he's done a lot of good things for baseball. Mom, he's done something outside the box. The Marlin thing was an embarrassment. And the way he handled the Marlin thing was embarrassing too when he went on Lebatard and got attacked by Lebatard and could not handle himself. So I'm sorry for sitting there talking about him doing a great job. I don't think he's done a great job. He's done some good. But the bad he's done could do irreparable damage to this sport. I think the sport is stronger than that. But I hear what you're saying. It's stronger than what? But when Bud Selig was buffooning around, the sport was strong. And Bud Selig made the Hall of Fame. So you're saying he's buffooning around. Obviously, somebody thought he belonged in the Hall of Fame. But you couldn't tell me that there was a huge disconnect with the game and the growth of the game with Bud Selig was the commissioner. But your idealistic view of what a commissioner is is different than their real job. Bud Selig increased franchise values and they kept making money. And it's not like football. Would you consider Bud Selig was a great commissioner? I think he did a lot of good things. Nixon did a lot of good things and he had to resign. You know what? But I think that Nixon was a good president. I'm sorry, I do. Right. But a good president that still had to resign, right? I get it. But I don't think that this falls under Manfred having to. You know what Manfred has to resign? When Jerry Weinsdorf picks up the phone call and says, you know what, you've got to go. And you're right. And I'm not saying he should volunteer his resignation because he's a lot of things he can do to try to save it. I'm just saying if I was an owner and you put it to a vote now, if I got a phone call from... They'd say stay. But I would say go. And you know what? If he starts losing the owners, he might, Michael. Because whose employees are all these players that are upset? And why are these players upset? Because some of them felt like they were robbed of championships. You don't think the Steinbrenners are red hot right now? Now they'll play ball because they're professional. But don't you think that especially Hank is in red hot that they might have missed an opportunity? I'm sure. I'm winning a championship. You don't think the Dodgers ownership and everybody in that division... But did they miss the championship because of Rob Manfred or because the Astros cheated? Well, but they... No, because the Astros cheated and got away with it. And then you have the audacity as the commissioner to tell us that these were stringent, that these were tough penalties that he handed down? Come on. No way. Well, the championship's already been tainted. It's already been stained. We don't have to take it away. Everybody in the world knows that they cheated and that the 2017 championship was ill-gotten game. But is history going to remember that, Michael? Are we going to remember that when the next controversy happens? Or are they going to win another championship in 2020 and 2021 and it's going to go the way the New England Patriots went where, oh, maybe they cheated, but look how good they are. Who cares? And the other thing that gets brought up is, well, we still remember the Black Sox scandal from 100 years ago. Yeah, eight players lost their careers, including shoeless Joe Jackson, who was one of, if not the best players in baseball at the time. Who was disciplined in this? A.J. Hinge? You know, good luck comparing him to shoeless Joe Jackson. Rob Manfred, I disagree with Don on this, is not losing his job as long as he continues to make the owner's money. He's not losing his job. The players don't control Rob Manfred's employment. But the owner's doing, if he loses the owner's. Right. But leave that aside for a second. There's still something he can do. Can he communicate with the Players Association? Can he reopen the investigation for 2019? Can he strip them of the 2017 title? Sure, he can't. There's this attitude of the players can get away with it because they've got this great union. So that means I can still go out and cheat in 2020, knowing what's going to happen to me. I can't get suspended. The only guy that could end up getting suspended, I guess right now, is their new general manager, Dusty Baker. Yeah. Yeah, they can cheat again. So what's to stop me from doing Dusty Baker's on a one-year contract? Just make sure Dusty doesn't know about it. Do it behind his back. But nothing can happen to me. And also, if you're the Players, you've already had your reputation and resume completely soiled. You're never getting it back. So cheat more. Win again. Because the best thing that could happen to the Astros is to win this year. We all just assume, well, that's the punishment. You don't get to go to the Hall of Fame. That's the punishment. You ended up not winning a championship. I mean, we're assuming that the punishment is they've been shamed into this. I wonder how much shame they really feel. They're aggravated about it, but they're circling the wagons now. They're probably going to use it now as a motivating factor to go out and win in 2020 and mark my words. If they win in 2020, the narrative's going to be the Astros overcame the controversy and came together and won a title. And exactly what would the punishment be then? And Dusty Baker should use that as the motivational tool. Oh, I'm sure he will be. Well, everybody hates you. They think you stink. There's no way you could win without cheating. Let's show them. He doesn't even have to give a long speech. And I do believe, though, Don, that they're embarrassed. So who's the better person, though? The guy who finally came out and said it, even if it took a while to find religion, or the guy who kept everything quiet and forced other players to take PEDs to be on a level playing ground. I agree with you. He shouldn't say anything. But I think the reason the analogy is faulty on your part, Michael, is that it's not like Ortiz started spilling his guts after he left the Red Sox. No, I never spoke ever about anybody using PEDs. I understand. But by his silence, his silence, other guys were forced to do PEDs to be on equal ground. No, I understand that. But Mike Fires, if he stayed on the Astros, maybe he never says a word. But he wanted the Astros to stop because he's now an opponent. But I think his problem is not that he didn't say anything. Why is he saying something now? If he wanted to be chirpy, why wasn't he chirpy then? Because no one was chirpy. Not even Brian McCann, who supposedly didn't want to do it. Nobody was chirpy. But now he's facing that team. Well, I guess what David Ortiz is saying is, if you couldn't say anything then, you shouldn't say anything then. But he's wrong because he wasn't facing the team now. Well, I fundamentally agree with you. But obviously, David Ortiz disagrees with you. He thinks that if you're going to keep your mouth shut, not say anything while you're benefiting from it, then you should just keep your mouth shut. But there were good men in that clubhouse that didn't say a word. I think... H.A. Hinch is a good guy. He let it go on. Well, here's my angle. Is that why would Fires have any leg to stand on to stop it? If McCann couldn't stop it, if the manager couldn't stop it, how do we know Fires didn't try to say something and was shot down? So that's where David Ortiz is wrong. Fires' silence might have been necessary just to be able to stay in that clubhouse. He wasn't a superstar by any stretch of the imagination. And if McCann couldn't stop it, it was a veteran. If H.A. Hinch couldn't stop it, it was the manager of the team that actually went to the lengths of breaking the monitors because he was so powerless to stop it, then how did Fires have any chance to say anything about it?