 to another episode of Eye of Notes. I am one of your hosts, Keri Chakras. With me, we have the always wonderful co-host, Misa Badiola. Hello. Hi, I'm Misa. Caught me mid-scratch. This is just not the way life is. Yes. And with us today is the ever-wonderful, Erin Nguyen and new guest, new guest, Joshua Ornelas. Yay, new friends. What a new friend. New friend who immediately wins best background we've ever had on the show. Yeah. There's that work from home meme about how it's like everyone, everyone who works from home and then the WordPresser with the streamer stuff. Yeah. Yeah. We found him. We found him. Oh, no. It looks really cool. It does. I think the best way to start out is our typical. Hey, how's everybody doing? How's your week? How's your weekend? Erin, how about you? You weren't on last week. I know, I'm back, baby. You're back? I'm doing pretty well. I'm in my new apartment at last. It's still working. Still working progress, so ignore. Ignore all that. Ignore what is that going to be or what is that? That's just like my little office area nook. Yeah. Technically, I'm in my like dining area, but I turned it into my office because I live by myself. So no point in having like a table and chairs. I would also argue dining rooms kind of don't need to exist anymore. Yeah, they're just dining rooms to me is just like more shelf space. Like the dining table is a giant shelf. There's no point. It's a waste. So yeah. But you got the cat tree. Hell yeah. Is that pooper? It is pooper. Yeah. Pooper. Pooper. Josh will never guess. Cat. Why poopers know it is pooper? It's actually because it pees a lot. Yep. That's it. I wish now. She poops a lot. I like it. We're going to continue this. What's this? I have notes lore about where everyone is. Exactly. How about you guys? Josh, how have you been doing? What have you been up to? I've been chilling, man. Just been working busy. I don't know what I did this weekend. I think I've been rewatching Naruto or watching Naruto because I read it a long time ago from like start to finish, but I never watched any of it animated. So now I'm going through all of those feels, but in like smooth 24 FPS, as opposed to like page by page. And it's a lot of tears. It's a lot of like, yeah, it's a lot of this and that. That's what I've been doing. That's cute. If you were rewatching it, I'd be very impressed like, holy crap, that's a lot of Naruto. Well, you've seen it all, right? I read it. I feel like there's so many people who know my opinions of the Nart. But onions, just call it the Nart. Yeah, that's like the, what's the internet name for it? Nart or Brodo's dad? Yeah, that's the one I know. I don't know. I only saw like the first like, maybe 20 episodes. So I don't know as much about it. Yeah, I just know him as Baruto's dad. And that I've never, I don't actually know how you're supposed to say it because I've heard Naruto and the Ruto and Baruto's dad. And Baruto's dad. Baruto? I think it's Naruto, right? Right, Josh? They usually pronounce it that way. Naruto. Yeah, I think it's Naruto that they all say Naruto on the show. Oh, are you watching it subbed or dubbed? I am watching it subbed because for some reason my, my brain doesn't latch on the, to sub or yeah, subbed as much. I don't know what it is. I like reading for some reason. Oh, it's very interesting. Or no, my brain doesn't latch on the dubs. I got that wrong, but you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. For some reason, yeah. Yes, I'm, I've officially reached, I've reached either, I don't know if it's the age or just like being a loser. I don't know what it is, but like, I think it's age. I've reached the point where I watch subtitles on everything, no matter what language, it doesn't matter. I just have them all. And cause it's like, what if they whisper? I want to hear it. I absorb it more. It's true. Which just makes it easier than to watch sub stuff too. Cause now I'm just like reading anyways. Have you guys ever figured out like, what is your best learning style? Cause there's, there's like that style or there's like that study about like, what is the best way for people to learn? It's like four or five different methods. And I forget of course, most of them, but I know one of them is like, through reading, through writing, through visuals, there's something. I think it was, oh dang, hang on, I'm pulling up right now. It was words of affirmation, acts of service. That's the love languages. Quality time. I don't remember, yeah, I don't remember what they were. I know that I'm definitely a like, I do better when I like, I put it into use. If that makes sense, like I, my brain used to be a lot better before RVBC's in 10. My memory used to be, but I like, I can remember really specific things, but it doesn't like sink in for me unless I just like do it a lot. Like I've been taking like Japanese classes a lot and like they, you know, like when my instructor like just goes over it, it's kind of like eh, whatever. But then like when we start actually practice like forming sentences or, you know, applying the knowledge, that's when it sinks in for me more than just reading it or just like memorizing it. Okay, yeah, that makes sense. That's fair. I think I'm the same. Yeah. I'm very like story based in my head where it's like I'll have a, I don't remember the thing, but I remember the moment that I learned the thing. And then I go like, oh, it was that, which is like a really weird roundabout way to do it. And it's dumb. Interesting. What about you? I think it's dumb, Carrie. I think learning, learning by example is, I think is the easiest to understand, but for me, I think it's visuals. I mean, if I really need to understand a concept, I can't just read it. I have to see it. So like, you know, graphs help a lot. A lot of different comparisons. Like it's like watching tutorials. Man, kind of related. There is a discussion I had with a former post artist on Ruby Amanda Gotera. She was talking about Tomora Pierce books and Tomora Pierce is a fantasy author who often writes for children's fantasy. And I mentioned how I was like, for some reason I couldn't really understand her words and her worlds that she was trying to describe with words. But I mentioned like, I felt like my brain was really hankering for imagery, like comics, which is why I think I picked up manga more than I picked up reading a book. So she mentioned like, oh yeah, that actually makes a lot of sense because like a Tomora Pierce graphic novel would be really cool. But I think about that a lot about like, oh, what is, how do people pick things up the easiest? So yeah. I feel like mine vary sometimes too. Yeah. Josh, what about you? I think I do learning as like a per need basis. For example, like if I need to do something in After Effects and I don't know it, I will go out and learn it and that knowledge will stick. But if I'm ever just like on YouTube and I see recommended for like, how to do crazy effect number four, none of that will stick. I don't know. It's just really depends on what I need at that current moment. Because like, it has to mean something to you. Yeah. Yeah. And I think like the utility of being able to like, apply it to literally whatever project that you're on at that current moment makes it latch onto your brain way more. And it's like, what does your brain do whenever like you're driving on the highway and it just like completely dumps all of that memory? That's kind of sort of like what I have whenever I'm just like watching videos. I'll forget whatever I just watched. But if I'm actively like, oh no, I need to swerve out of the metaphorical conundrum that is the project that I'm currently on. Let me... Or literal deer. Or a literal deer, your brain latches on to like whatever it needs to do at that current moment and you remember it. And it's like, that's it. Yeah. Oh God. Great. So let's see. So it's experience based. It's doing it yourself. It's multiple things. It's like, you know, like, like you say you're saying it's like reading and visualizing like, like seeing, seeing in like comparisons are great. I feel like too a lot. Learning about learning. It's fascinating. Like it's... It is. Especially like languages. Cause I know who Kerry is saying learning Japanese. And I'm like, oh man, I wish that could be me. But I know I feel like I'm at that point of where I'm like too old and none of this is going to stick. I'm older than you. Language is really hard. Like I already have a hard time with English, my first and only language basically. So I don't know man. I don't think there's much help for me when it comes to learning another language. Aaron, I'm older than you. Don't say that. Cause I mean, I can't. Look, I just, I keep my flash cards at my desk and I have, here's what you get. You ready? Children's books. Oh, yay. Aw. That is actually adorable. Oh, that's cute. Nice. That's what you do. I'm learning just like a toddler. Hey, you know what? Yeah. Valid. That sounds like a good starting point. It was interesting, but like I, cause I was doing like one lesson a week and I didn't have a lot of time to like practice in between. Like I do like little bits, but then I started doing two a week. And then I specifically started doing two like really close back to back. Like I usually do classes on like Tuesdays and Thursdays. And like Tuesday is usually kind of like, you know, I'm forgetting a lot of stuff. And then Thursday, like it's like, all of a sudden I know it. I don't. I'm so, so far. Like all of a sudden it's like, oh, I'm actually like applying things. It's like that repetition. We're saying things that are all very obvious, but like I feel like we've all like also started to learn them and like experience them and not just be told like, oh, this is how you learn anymore. Like I feel like I'm like starting to see the patterns myself. And that's like been cool. Yeah. I think that's really neat. I, something I had put in this topic sheet, somewhat related is what is a hobby you have to call the darkness? Well, and I feel for me like I think learning and like feeling like you're smart is something related to that, you know? It's like, oh, I'm learning a new skill or this is a hobby or just even like I think gaming is now kind of, what's the word? It is an appropriate hobby to have now because it's just something that is kind of like take, it's, it distracts you. It takes you away from something and you're learning at the same time. We need that escapism more so than ever. Yeah, never mind. Because we need it, but like, yeah, then that gets back in the whole, like at the same time, it's like I keep fighting myself wanting to escape, but then also like realizing like, no, I need to be focused on a lot of these things now because they're important now. You have to stand up to your enemies. Hey, so. I'm assuming my standing up pose. Oh, hell yeah. Your power pose? Josh, I know Carrie, oh, I know Carrie, Aaron and I previously have talked about like how we've been dealing with quarantine life now, but since this is kind of first time we've been talking to you about it, how it has working from home for you. I'm pretty curious. Work from home has been okay. It's been a little bit of a learning experience because I'm currently doing something new in the production cycle that I haven't been previously doing. I don't know how much I'm able to talk about like just stuff, but like, yeah, it's a whole new sort of like subset of skills that like I have to either brush off or learn, you know, going back to the learning thing. It's like cool. I got to just like reopen my brain and just like actually like put all these things together and actually do some stuff. But other than that, like it's been pretty chill as far as work from home. I mean, it's maddening because I'm in here for like 22 and a half hours a day or something like that. I'll go like walk outside or ride a bike or something like that. But still it's like, you know. Yeah, just staying inside the entire time. Yeah, yeah. I mean, at least it looks like a cool room to be in. This is pretty chill. Like I'm sitting in this chair so, so long every day. I just I just bought. Hey, this just in probably during this recording. I'm getting my chair cushion that I ordered for me. My butt is very excited. We have the same chair. I'm pretty sure I need you to send me a link to that cushion. Oh, you know it. Well, let me I'll test it out first. Don't worry. Oh, OK, OK. Just it's it's a good chair, but it's like mesh. And if I put my foot up, it kind of hurts sometimes. OK, this point, I just need anything. I just anything to make life just incrementally better. See, that's fair, because like I don't I don't put my feet up or anything. I'm I sit like a robot. I'm just like optimal pose at all times. Like that's good. Gamer stance like that's me. I am scooting back. A lot of times I sit like this. I never do for you. Oh, fuck. I'll do this. Oh, no. Oh, I'm guilty of all these things. I mean, four day, four hours a day. I just readjusted myself consciously. The audience does too. Like, oh, God, it has gotten to the point where like my because it's like it's a mesh chair on my ankle on my left side. It's just like getting all like dry. Oh, yeah, because it's like it's just like rusty ankles. I do. I mean, a flying lotion like nobody. Sorry, sir, there's no cure for your crusty ankles. I'm going to hand cream real quick. Just yeah. I serious. Moisturize. Do we stay moist here? Yeah. Josh, there's one thing I know with you. It's that you're you're you're fucking moist, man. Yeah, brother. A couple of boys. Hey, so we're talking right now. So we're talking about gross stuff. I can't hear out of my right ear right now. What happened? OK. Oh, no. This is only a little gross. It's not that gross. You know how they always say like you shouldn't put a Q tip too far in your ear? Oh, Carrie, oh, no. You should you really shouldn't. You know, Carrie, oh, no. OK, I just I hadn't cleaned my ears a little bit. And it had been just like a minute. And I thought, OK, I'm going to clean my ear. And I cleaned it. Got the right one. And I was like, all right, cool. Got some stuff out. Left one went just a little bit deeper. Oh, no. And I got a good bit out from the left one. And I was like, this is awesome. I feel I feel like a new person. I could go deeper in the right. Let me know for a second. And I went in for a second. And all of a sudden, everything just went like dull. And I just couldn't. And I was just like alone in my bathroom, just like, hello. Hello. And like over the course of like the last four hours, it's like slowly returning. But like straight up when it first happened, I put my finger in my left ear and I snapped and I just couldn't hear it. Oh, my God. So speaking of Amazon, I also ordered a ear flushing thing. So update y'all on that. It'll be gross. Oh, can you take pictures? Oh, yeah, of course. Don't worry. I was going to say, don't worry. Oh, thank you. Okay. I was about like ear flushing ASMR. I'm going to put out some glossy four by fives and then mail them out. There's a whole subsection of like YouTube videos that are about pimple popping and like taking out earwax out of your ears. Oh, man, I am guilty. It's gross, but I can't look away. Oh, it is definitely a guilty pleasure. Josh just went like very quiet. I'm trying not to out myself as well. Thank you, K. We're all just human. Like there's been a couple of times where I'm like, this is the saddest on ever, but I'll get like kind of like a pimple or something on my arm. I'll be like, ooh, is it an ingrown hair? Is it going to like have like a ton of plus in it? And I'm like, no, no, it's just a little pimple. No big deal. The pimples are a little bit too much for me. Ear waxing, ear cleaning, that's okay. Pimple popping. See, I'm so, I think I'm the other way around. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe I just have one too many bad pimple experiences. I think I'm just turned off by pimples. Have y'all seen the fucking, this is like the grossest. We'll stop talking in a second. Have y'all seen like the ones where it's like the blackhead extractor, where it's like the cameras? I love those. There. It's so weird. It's like you're getting like a POV, like blackhead extraction thing. It's like the grossest fucking thing. And I've seen so many of them. Is that a camera in the like the extractor itself? Yeah. Oh, I'm searching this up. Yeah. Do it right now. Yeah, just go ahead and pause and go fucking. Blackhead extraction. Yeah, it's really weird. Anyways, all right, gross talk over. We've revealed ourselves. We have such a wide range of topics this week. They have learning, ear cleaning, pimple popping. Those all sound pretty related honestly. Yeah, yeah. I said it turns out maybe creative people are just gross. And you know what? That's OK. I just I refused to eat boogers. Except that one time I've already talked about on a different podcast. Don't please do not repeat it. There's there's an RTA about it. I think it's they can go they can go find. Oh, good. Now I know where to avoid it. Yeah. Never search RTA ever again. Sorry, so I can't support it anymore. Try I'm going to I'm going to try and move this away. Yeah, do it from gross stuff. I just and I promise I promise this is not a plug and I've not been asked to do this. But I've been since there's like a new source of like licenses. I've been I've been on HBO Max a lot just because it's like it's had things that, you know, I haven't been able to see on like streaming stuff in a while. And I just watched Yojimbo for the first time. Oh, the Kurosawa film. Oh, that's a good movie. I haven't seen it. That's a good movie. Oh, I want to watch. I've actually never seen I've never seen that. I've never seen Seven Samurai, which is like a travesty. But I keep putting it off because I want it's like three and a half hours long. Oh, God, which is like a commitment. That's that's the whole Lord of the Rings, right? But I've been trying to like I've been I've got a like years now with kind of this like weird aversion to movies just because they are such like a commitment. And I'm trying to to break that by like telling myself like it's OK to watch it over two nights or like, you know, hey, it's OK, you know, to watch this until like the second you go to bed. I'm such like a fucking old person now. I mean, I feel like that's me right now. I'm just very not into movies as of late. Like I think the last movie I saw in theaters was Pro-Mare and I saw it like four times. Besides, you're really into one movie. Exactly. That's my problem. I don't want to watch anything else. So I feel like there's a lot of live action movies. I'm like, yeah, I don't know. Kind of not vibing with the live action movies lately. Yeah. I think I think that's why it was kind of nice to watch this because it was very much not current live action like modern movie. And there's a lot of things in it that's like, obviously now, you know, could have been better. But the as a whole package, it was like it was something that I hadn't experienced in a in a movie in a while, was just like I was just very interested in where the story was going. In a I guess I don't know, like in a different way than I normally feel. Even like watching modern movies a lot lately, I'm usually like this is cool. And then I like halfway through, I start thinking about like, well, what am I going to do after this movie? You know, like I kind of like distracted a little bit. And this the whole time I'm just like, yes, Samurai, what are you going to do? Oh, you got everyone riled up. That was funny. Oh, like, I don't know. I think that's so cool that like there's because I'm definitely not a person who is I'm more new Jen than old Jen, if I were to describe it in a phrase. And in general, I am too. Yeah, with even with movies, it's it's a little like, oh, well, I'm not really interested in watching an old movie. But when I actually discovered via my friends, some older black and white movies that I was not in black and white, but just older movies in general from like the 70s and the 80s that like I actually sat down and watched. And I was like, oh, that was genuinely thrilling. Like that kind of that feeling is is so rare nowadays, especially because a lot of movies nowadays always reference the older stuff. So when you see an older movie that I feel like not a lot of people have actually referenced or they want to replicate, but they can't. Or it's just there's something about that charm of the original. It's like, oh, wow, that's really that's really fascinating. Yeah, I know, I completely agree. I think in a weird way, a thing that helped with this was because it was like a foreign movie. It was a different like storytelling style from like a typical Hollywood movie that like it made it a little bit easier to like because I feel like a lot of times when I watch this is like me sounding like Pete Millennial right now. But like when I watch an older movie, I a lot of times I'll find myself thinking like, oh, well, we could have done that shot better, like not like me or the company, but like as an industry, it's like, oh, we could have done that shot better now. Or, you know, that set could have looked better or whatever. Like I kind of I feel like I pick it apart more just because I've, you know, see what we can do as an as an as an industry. But I guess there's something about like just the storytelling style being different because it wasn't it wasn't a movie like it had acts to it, but it was a lot. I don't know how to describe it. I'm I want to think about a little bit more. But it was it's had a different pace than most movies do. Oh, that's so cool. Like I said, not not a required or asked of me plug. But it was just it it's on HBO Max. So I was like, OK, I'll check it out. What up on the topic of like wanting to redo like other pieces of media. That's like me with a lot of 3D anime. Yeah. Especially like recently, my one of my favorite animes has been King and Ashura, which is like an MMA anime. It's on Netflix and like the manga and the story. Everything about it is great. It's just like the technical aspects and visuals are like not as good as I would have liked. And I'm like, oh, man, like if we had our hands on it, like I just want to like fix lots of little parts of it. I wish we could get like a like a well, I guess not right now, but like a convention together of like all of like the people who make like 3D anime. And just like all share secrets together. Definitely. I don't know who did the which studio did. Kengan is definitely like not polygon, which I think is a little bit higher up in terms of quality. So I have to like do some research because I did. I feel like they have some similar approaches to us, but I'm pretty sure they don't use like pencil or stuff like that when it comes to rendering. It's very interesting. I feel like there are certain studios that have like that secret sauce when it comes to like the 3D. It's kind of like animated. That's kind of similar to the 2D style or something like that. Especially like Studio Orange. I think they did Beastars and Poseidon and Cooney or like Landon Lustrous. And then the Guilty Gear guys, ArcSys also insane, right? So there's like something there. And we just got to like tickle the secrets out of them or something like that. Oh, I can do some tickling. I'm imagining Josh just tickling like the logo every so often. Yeah, I was thinking executives, but sure. Yeah, tickle the creator of Guilty Gear. I've been close enough to tickle him before. I could do it. Also, I didn't realize how creative or just how talented the creator of Guilty Gear is. He's like the character designer, the I guess the lead creative. He does all the vocals and the music. He does all of the music. He does all the music. He does the voice of soul. Like he does everything for that freaking game. It's amazing. It's like, how do you find that much time to be that talented? He's amazing. Daisuke. Yeah, I hope he never finds this. Oh my God, I'm embarrassed. Please don't look at me. No, don't do it, Carrie. Maybe we can all find a project to work on again one day. Oh, yeah. That I would like. It'd be cool. What have you been up to lately, Josh? I know a lot of times you play VR chat. Has that for you increased in quarantine? And have you seen like an uptick in people on it? Yes and no to both questions. Because I usually only get on on the weekends because I don't want to burn myself out. Too much. But it's definitely been a thing where it's nice and cathartic to get on and hang out with friends even though I'm not actually there. Because it's usually like, we'll be chilling and maybe having a few drinks in a club world or something like that. And then we go to a theater world and we go watch a movie or something like that. So I've watched a lot of movies in VR chat. It's great. It's like IMAX level screen at good resolution and everything. And then sometimes you can just go to a world and slap each other with giant robot hands because that's what VR chat is. But yeah, I mean like it's been about the same since quarantine started. But I still kind of I think I appreciate it a little bit more because of the connectivity that I'm having. And like it's a weird like also like circling back around to another topic. It's just like it's also been a resource for a lot of other things. Because like there's a lot of worlds where you can learn to like straight up like graffiti. Like it actually has like like realistic like tagging sort of things in specific worlds with like you pick up a can you do this and that and the closer you get and the further away you get changes the texture of like your painting and stuff like that. And then there's also other worlds. And this is actually something that you can apply to VR chat super super well because there's a lot of people who run around who are mute and or deaf. There's worlds dedicated to learning sign language in VR chat. It's one of them. Yeah it's one of the best things I've seen coming out of the game so far. And like I've actually spent like a couple of hours in that game. And I think I can do like some very basic stuff. I can't I probably like my brain just like slipped all that stuff right now. But like if I were to be put in a situation where I had to talk to somebody I could be like hello how are you doing both like I'm doing hands things right now I'm not doing anything accurate. But in game I probably would be able to do it. But yeah it's good shit. Yeah would recommend what headset do you have. I have to I have an Oculus that I really like because it does not break. And then I have an index that I like when it doesn't break. Oh no technology. Yes I wanted the index to be to be good. It's still it doesn't it doesn't work with like the wireless attachments still right. No I think some people are still figuring that out. I think the only one that has wireless is the Vive. Yeah I've got I've got that and I like I bought that and like years later I bought the the wireless attachment. And I was like ready to like because it's like I like supporting you know this like newer technology. So like cool index is coming out. I still like valve like let's buy the end oh can't do the wireless. Okay I'll wait I'll wait because it's like once once once you go once you go wireless you just can't go back. It's true it's true a lot of things. It's also really annoying whenever like you're like I'll be like chilling back here like like just like what's up I want my headset how's it going and like like cable just get eaten by my like wheels. Yeah and I've had to replace my my index cable already because of that. And that I mean it was under warranty but it took like eight million years to get to me. What you need to do is like you need to get like okay well I'm gonna describe it's basically a sex harness. Okay so you're gonna you get into the the support beam and then you're gonna lower a tarp with at least four points of connection. And you know you will your bottom will be exposed but no one's there it's fine. That's okay. I don't think a really hard time visualizing this. I can just take pictures later don't worry. I'll just I'll like I'll hop in mine later and I'll send you a photo. It'll be tasteful. That's the best way to play because you can look you're like skydiving but like all the time immersion. I do like the idea of you freaking out other people. Like how the fuck are you doing that? Just like start levitating. He's Neo. Like seans. Being lifted by the spirits. It's like that one fucking the TikTok song that gets used for Elon Musk kid all the time. That's that's my hobby. That's my hobby lately being on TikTok. That is what you used to call the darkness. Yeah that's what I used to call it. I go out I have a hammock in my backyard. I wait until it cools down a little bit. I get a mint julep. Good drink or good or soylent depending on what time of day it is. Much stark change. Yeah yeah. You can add the mint to the soylent. It makes like a mint chocolate concoction. And then I just watch TikToks on my hammock. And it's you know I do that for five minutes a day. It's great. Carrie's hobby. That's how you're gonna make some TikToks. Have you made any yet? I made one TikTok. And it got like 15 views. And it basically didn't go viral so I said fuck this. Is that not on there anymore? No it's still there. It's still there. You have to link us to your TikTok. We can simply do it. It's the same as my Twitter. It's just my name. Okay. Very excited. I mean if you want like a good curated experience you can look through my likes. And that's true. I've been meaning to do that. Because you send us a lot of TikToks. Yeah it's all I do. Scott Morgan one of our producers like he was like I don't know about this TikTok thing. So I would just like I sent out my profile. I was like just look at the stuff I favorite. And he was like okay this is good. He's like they was like a curated experience. Yeah. TikTok museum if you will. TikTok is special because like it's like. It's special right. Yeah it's special. But like I like the idea of like short format things. Because the thing is they need to like hit for them to be good. And the thing is because you can find so many good ones. You just ingest them all like like how many TikToks do you think you like watch in like an hour Carrie? Oh my god I mean they can't be more than a minute. Right. And I very rarely will like watch you know like I'll maybe watch it like more than once. I mean like I could probably say easily a hundred in an hour. Geez okay if you're just like going you know. Yeah yeah that makes a lot of sense. And some of them are like you know like five seconds long. I mean like maybe between like yeah 60 and 100. It's like I don't know and you know there's the whole like I think it might be owned by China. Is it scanning my face? And I'm kind of like I don't care at this point. Like everything has my face. Which is not like a good way to think about it. But that's where I'm at as a person. But I don't know it's it's a it's it feels unique still to like Twitter. I feel like Twitter Instagram or like very similar. And TikTok is at least like a little different. If you like memes it's just I feel like one of the better formats work. Because it's like if you're a tiktok if you get a tiktok for like the first week like maybe a quarter of the things make sense. And then you start to realize like oh that person is ripping off that thing in like a funny way. Oh and that person's referencing this thing. And it's just like you realize there's this like pattern. Oh tiktok lore. Tiktok cinematic universe. Do the fucking lore. Connect the dots. Yeah. I need a link y'all. I found this guy that looks just like Cole and it freaks me out. Yes he did. Okay yeah it's like it looks like Cole's a younger brother or something. Like yes I remember. I'll fucking I'll link it somewhere. Oh my god. Are you thinking you should be a picture of a video? Yeah. Just like no this is scary. Oh my god. He kind of talks like him too. I know because it was like Cole but without the lovable nerd part of him. So it was just like a white man. I was like oh god my worst nightmare. Yeah exactly. I mean pretty much let's be honest. Oh no. Oh no Cole. No the white people part not Cole. Oh he's a good boy. That's right. Yeah Cole's a good boy. You're right guys. Good boy. Best boy. So I mean you know we're recording this on like Monday and it's not gonna come out until Thursday or Friday but how about that PS5 y'all? I'm sure everyone in the world is gonna talk about it until then but um. Did you guys watch it live? I watched it we were having a meeting and I just had it on in the background and every once in a while I'd be like every shut up. And then like because that's like I that was like okay I'm gonna say something real quick and then I went and then we should actually get every's opinions on it. That that the PS5 announcement video thing was like one of the first times that I had or it was one of the biggest times I had this like miss of the office like this longing because it's like that that's the kind of thing that would happen like the the Nintendo Directs that kind of stuff. Yes. The office would fucking halt for an hour. Oh yeah yeah. And it would be like in the art game we would bring in a TV just to watch E3 for the whole year. It was like this like experience and like instead it was like I was like I had it on in the background while we're doing your view and every five minutes I just hear Alex go like oh shit. But I don't know. Yeah. Josh do you have a story? I was gonna say like Carrie do you remember I think it was like RVB like 12 or something like that where E3 happened Kojima came up he was like Medicare solid five. Also check out this thing called PT and he just left the stage. Oh my god. And then you downloaded PT to your PlayStation at the office that night and it halted everything for like a couple of hours. Do you remember that? Josh I will I will I will never forget that. That was that night was genuinely one of my favorite nights ever working at this company. Because yeah that we watched that thing. It was like it was like seven or eight PM and like I downloaded it and we started playing and we're all fucking babies. We kept trading the controller around. We weren't even playing on a big TV we're playing on like this like my tiny monitor next to TV like next to my computer. Like it wasn't it wasn't anything but we just we just started playing and like I seriously I think we played until like two or three in the morning. I think so. And then we were all like so scared of going home. But like I like it was just like it just like it like it started out as like me and then like you and like Miles came over and like it's just like we all we just like started just like this is like I guess this is all we're doing tonight. Yeah I remember also like like everybody got the jitters from like like like everybody was super sketchy after that and like I remember some people didn't want to go out to the bathroom because that's whenever you remember they exploded like the bathroom over there. Like they completely demolished it and we had like this like this hyper advanced porta potty thing. I think we call it the honey wagon. It's called a honey wagon which is the worst term for portable bathroom. It's like an industry standard thing. I fucking hate it. Oh I thought that was just a nickname y'all gave it. I know that's like the name. That's horrible. Yeah but it was like in the back corner of the lot and like in order to get there you had to either go through the back door and it's just like already dark with like one dim light out there or you went through the other door and you had to go through like this weird like alley thing and it was like super dark and I remember like what I think it was Dustin went out of the back door but then like the door shut and like nobody heard it or but like he goes to the bathroom and then like 30 seconds later we just hear on the fucking other door and he's just like trying to get in and he's fucking terrified. I just I remember too like like we like we we took a break from playing and like there's a couple people outside like smoking or just hanging out. I think it was Dustin or it like it was I can't remember who it was but like somewhere out there and they went to the bathroom and they just like looked at everybody out there's like hey don't fuck with me and then went into the bathroom it was like I don't know yeah that was like that is like a cherished a cherished cherished cherished moment for me um hey uh I have uh I have news through uh through discord right now I think they found my one tiktok is that something that is that something we can play it's really dumb uh oh there it is but I found like a cat filter basically I just said like oh look there's a lion and then he attacked me and I made like an old man like oh it was very genuine it scared the shit out of me when he came after me okay that was great perfectly cut screens keep away ash yeah and now he's a big big boy on the topic of scary things from stage five that that remind me of a quick story yes but back when we were still in stage five I think one night I was living late it was around December or a Christmas time so our neighbor soundcheck uh had a giant nutcracker like in their doorway oh and so like one night I was leaving late it was like dark out uh like all the lights in soundcheck are off except for like the entry light so I just see like the silhouette of the nutcracker and I like look up from the wheel oh my god it was the horrors I was like who the fuck put that there I why I probably would have like I'm just being honest I probably would have pooped a little like I'm not even gonna be weird or gross like I honestly probably would have like like there's like parking lot like being a little uh also the Sandra Bullock cut out sometimes I'll see her out the corner of my eye and she freaks me out which one the Sandra Bullock uh oh yeah on the wall we did that with uh we we had that Gus cut out for like the longest time yes and that yeah that used to like that was just like how do we fuck with people that my favorite one was like uh we had a the bathroom one of the bathrooms at uh 636 we like put in the bathroom and we like it had like ceiling tiles we like hung it upside down in the ceiling tile oh my god it's like when you open the door you're you're presented with upside down Gus just like looking at you in the face that's his um VR chat harness what was that that's his VR chat harness yeah basically yeah yeah there you go yeah he's ready to go I want to I want to take my headset now and just like put a Gus mask on it so that like when I'm playing VR like I just like I look like Gus I can probably do that yeah I can do that the index is like a faceplate you can take off I'm just gonna like does it really okay it does he just I'm gonna put somebody's like face on there just right there making it weird have you all seen the the people who like uh who've printed out face masks that like have their face on it it has like they're the lower covering on it I have not seen that yeah it's really funny because it looks like it looks like they cut a slit in it and it looks like they like ruin their mask and then like they start talking in there like their their lips are moving but they're not it's really it's fucking funny because it's just them with like a smile oh no the closest I think I've seen is like on Instagram these cursed beauty gurus will like put the mask on and then do their makeup and put them on top of the mask and it's so cursed looking like I know it's a joke why I don't know but it haunts me that's my sleep paralysis demon I feel like and this is a person that doesn't have to you know society doesn't make them feel like they have to put on makeup every day uh I feel like I would use the mask as like fuck it not putting anything in this area that's been me that's been me I've been loving that because I'm very like self-conscious about my face and I normally always wear makeup like today but lightly whatever go out grocery shopping I'm just like fuck it don't have to worry about it nobody will know it's so good the one the one blessing of masks yeah I don't mind I'm my my collection's growing I need to I need to find some more stylized masks now yeah oh man I lost mine it sucks I only have like two more medical grade masks that I had like from like two or three years ago that uh of course is uh coming really in handy but now I'm just like I'm running out oh god you know I got lucky and like uh because my dad used to work uh in like non-construction but he like he worked in like facilities at a hospital so he's always like very big on like safety equipment and stuff so when I got my house we went into my uh attic to like run ethernet cable because I'm a fucking nerd and I'm you know I do stuff like that and uh so he like brought me like a bunch of like really good masks this was like three years ago uh so so that when we went up there we wouldn't be breathing in the asbestos or whatever's up there and like I only used one so now I'm just like in my garage like aha that'll be 20 dollars if anybody's interested oh no and that's how I made a fortune I made 20 dollars I uh one thing I thought was really interesting about the this is like going back a like eight fucking things uh about the ps5 was the fact that they're they're gonna have the digital only version that doesn't have yeah that's really interesting like I understand it but I hope they still have the option for those who don't have maybe internet and like live out in the middle of fucking nowhere you know we'll see I I feel like I'm gonna do burpee uh excuse me it's gonna have to be significantly cheaper oh yeah for me to like lose the ability to watch like a blu-ray movie you know like oh I don't know like I like what is a a blu-ray drive costs like 50 bucks it probably costs them like 10 or 20 mm-hmm oh no no just ignore that keep talking new cat uh so it's like what yeah it's like if they only reduce the price by like 20 bucks it's like is that really worth it it looks way better without the disk drive if I'm being honest but I don't know wow that's a good point Josh you're you're you're an elite gamer and you like you like the PC a lot how do you how do you feel about it oh you know I'm I the ps5 looks all right you know nothing to kill about um I think it's I think it's neat I think uh the reveal um there's a lot of technologies and stuff like that that they're showing especially like Unreal Engine 5 I believe was one of the showcases they had or it was a showcase from epic but like not part of the event but um it's it's kind of showing like the paradigm of like how technology for rendering and stuff like that is going to be headed especially for like real-time for gaming and stuff like that because like everybody's like trying to do like their ray tracing or or rtx yeah rtx or like their uh like uh texture uh texture streaming and stuff like that and people are getting way way better in it and like even though like I'm probably like I said I'm super hardcore pc gamer is a that pc that pc that pc that pc there's a pc over there um he's actually he's there's a there's a pc on the chair and there's one inside of him that's about to say actually this is just my vr chat about that I'm actually on a ps6 right now um but um yeah like uh like I said like I'm I'm super into the PCs but I'm still happy to see the progression of like the mainstream consumer technologies that are going into games because eventually like everybody's gonna get that and I can only hope that like games going forward are gonna look much much better and like higher fidelity because this it's weird because like gaming has gone like either super super high fidelity or kind of like almost a cartoonish style like uh like valorant like if you look at valorant um riot's new shooter it's very flat shaded cartoony stuff like that and like um I kind of sort of realized this one for like gaming budget purposes for example if you have a potato you can just run it and like that makes sense but then two um it's less hard to bitrate when streaming yeah I was about to say needle frames you can get it's very very easy to stream that game it's it's incredible um but uh yeah like ps5 I'm interested to see how it goes even though it looks like sells hat before it got a paint job you know like it does my favorite meme is the ps5's as the pope's hat I think that's yeah as a as a Catholic race I just love how quickly there's like that one person like just like tape two pieces of paper to the router it's like how fucking quickly that got around yeah or like somebody with their like their with their like uh tower fan that looks like I don't know what you guys are talking about I uh it's it's funny we were joking about like you know josh like you're in unreal right now like did you y'all see that thing that's going around where it it kind of looked like some of the presenters weren't real yes yeah no like like we were like Alex Alex and I kind of noticed this and like I saw at first we thought it's just us and then I saw like Jen tweet about it and like other people like tweet about it it's like everybody I think it's because everybody had their own like lighting setup and like it was very specific like some of the people like we were just like watching and like is that a 3d render of a person and I was like like for half that presentation I was just like at the end of this could be like and all of this was mo-capped and rendered with our proprietary software none of these people are real like I was waiting for them to do that shine engine they should have yes look at fucking xbox behind them thank you broadcast for getting that so quickly right oh my good um hey isa we had a we had a pretty cool thing happen this week didn't we yes so sometimes you know I think so people are cool yeah they are yeah they are there's some cool people out here and they they make some cool stuff and sometimes the cool stuff features us whoa hello for the first time that I'm aware of I think so yeah that's some fan art yeah fan art fan art fan art fan art look at us we're free finally Josh now that you're here Josh now that you're here you have to uh oh yeah what's your uh persona what animal are you what persona am I yeah it's okay you can think oh yeah I come back to me I gotta think about that I have to marble out it more yeah there's some more I think this was my favorite Harry it looks like he's saying candy man I wish I could just wear that time this is also like how Jordan's eating in every single one oh yeah he's supposed to know he's a hundred percent eat oh wait oh this one's good too he's eating pizza again of course how will we know it's Jordan he's he's not eating sorry I had to get my hat all right all right we're ready we're ready oh do we have the artist's name there oh there it is there we go official merch coming soon there we go all right there we go nice got ps5 on my head yeah that was um one to one oh it's like a it's just two carries do we have a same image can we throw up the the artist's name yeah so thank you very thank you very much Juan we appreciate it um you know if other people send in fan art maybe we'll we'll show it because that's really cool of y'all and really nice of y'all um and it means a lot to us it made me smile we know we have at least one viewer or listener now so that's that's pretty good in my book I don't know it makes me happy me too um well Josh you have to answer the question oh yeah that's your first we can't wrap up yet okay it's furry scaly's feather what is it beakies that's a bird I feel like I should know this I don't think it's okay I've gone to google and I'm gonna tell you exactly what I'm typing as I'm typing it oh my god furries but literally okay I typed in furries but and hit space and this these are I won't let you know everything that's popped up first one for birds second for bugs never thought about that yeah for fish we all know scaly's I'm gonna skip one insects no it doesn't matter for plants that's a new one that hadn't thought about but then we come back to the fourth one for robots I I didn't know that was a thing I've seen this you have I don't think they would would they be you see a lot of things over your chat well it's furries but for robots let's see what reddit said in november of 2019 we're learning so much today staffs just in mechies that's actually adorable there's also plane zonas oh yeah that's right that sounds very cursed the people love having a lot of people inside them oh yeah um josh no okay so I think uh so they're known as avians or featheries oh okay I prefer avians that sounds I prefer but feathery sounds cute hmm okay it's very doesn't here well with that now that I've ruined my google search history for everything else uh I think that about wraps it up for this episode josh thanks so much for joining us man yeah it's really fun it's good to talk to you my time likewise dude to miss y'all oh come back again josh please yeah uh yeah you know like like normal please if you could uh like comment share all that good stuff we appreciate it um and yeah have a good week everybody bye