 Hello, this is Chris Temple welcoming you once again to the official AFC Bournemouth podcast coming to you socially distanced from the Vitality Stadium. This is your source of exclusive in-depth chats with personalities connected to AFC Bournemouth, including past and present players. Which is the line we're going down today. Before we get going though, here's a man with an illustrious past himself. It's the AFCB club journalist Neil Parrick. Neil, welcome back. Hello Chris, good to see you again. I've never, no one's ever said I had an illustrious past. I think a few words have described my past but not illustrious. There's a few other adjectives we could use as that. Now onto today's guest, a man who was the first on a pretty short list to captain AFC Bournemouth in a Wembley final. He made over 150 appearances for the club. He formed a hugely successful defensive partnership with one Eddie Howe. It's a very warm welcome to the podcast to Ian Cox. Ian, great to have you. Yes, it's good to be here and thank you both for having us on the show. We're going to go back in throughout your career and talk more about your role here at the club currently. But first of all, 20 odd years later to be back here working for the club as we sit here, the sun's out. We know what a great place Bournemouth is to live. How do you sort of reflect where I guess things have moved on over that 20 years? Where you're sitting here now to the club 20 years ago. Yes, it's completely different. When I was first here 20 odd years ago as you kind of remonstrated. It was the shadow of what it is now. The way how the setup here, the infrastructure, the way how the stadium is, I think it's beautiful. It's a nice setup and it's nice to be back. What does it mean to you to be playing the kind of role that you are now back? We'll come on to it a little bit more later on, but you work for the Community Trust now as well. Just give us a headline of the role you're in now here. Yes, I've been in this role for about 18 months now. Working with the Community Trust, we deliver the National Citizen Service project in Bournemouth area. It's a youth engagement project targeting 16 to 17-year-olds. It's just engaging them all over the summer months to just upskill them and just give them some personal development really and bridging that gap from adolescence to adulthood. Great, we'll definitely come on there and talk a little bit more about that later on. Let's go right back to the start, shall we? Back to South London, if you like. The first entry on your Wikipedia profile, which shouldn't always be believed, is joining Crystal Palace from Carl Sholton Athletic for £40,000 in 1994. Filling a couple of gaps for us in that journey. Whiteleaf, I think, was in there as well, was it? Yes, yes, Whiteleaf. I started at Whiteleaf when I was probably about 16. I had a little two-year stint in the youth team. Got promoted to the first team. In that time, while I was playing in the youth team, there was a manager called Dave Garland. Dave Garland was affiliated with Crystal Palace, so I would go down and play trial games at Palace, like with the youth team in the actual youth set up there. But I never really got taken on as a youngster, and it was disappointing, because all I wanted to do was have the opportunity to play football and get the opportunity to particularly just play like from my local team. That opportunity didn't transpire, so I just continued just playing the non-league circuit. So I got in the first team at Whiteleaf, spent two or three years in the first team at Whiteleaf, had clubs coming down, watching and so forth, but never ever kind of went on to play professional football, until I went to Karshorten, got sold to Karshorten for, I think it was about £1500, which back in there was a lot of money. So I spent 18 months at Karshorten, and for me that was quite pivotal in my journey. I met a manager who was fair, I met a manager who believed in me, I met a manager who wasn't just a manager, he was a coach, he was a mentor, and he was probably the first real male positive, positive male role model that I had in my life, which kind of directed me on the pitch and also off the pitch. And that was Billy Smith, and Billy Smith was an integral part of my development, not so making that next step onto Crystal Palace, because he said that's all got sold 18 months into my Karshorten journey. And you mentioned £1500 a lot of money, £40,000 for Karshorten when you got sold to Palace, that must have been a huge amount of money. Yeah, I think it was a time where the club was struggling for a bit of money, and at the time we was doing really well, we was at the top of the league, there was myself and another guy Darren, and then lots of wheat, just a few weeks before I signed for Palace I was up at Middlesbrough, so I had a trial up at Middlesbrough, and I come back down, me and Darren, just deciding they wanted us to go back up there for another trial to have a closer look. I didn't particularly do too well in the trial, Darren done really well, so I thought they were going to take Darren on. Then I got the actual call, Billy said to me that Crystal Palace have put a bid in for you, but if you go back up to Middlesbrough, then they're going to withdraw the bid. So I had to take that opportunity really, and I'm glad I did. I guess as someone growing up in the sort of Croyd near, I guess Palace was probably a team that a lot of people of your age coming up through the non-league aspired to play for, didn't they? Without a shadow of a doubt. That's the biggest team that we had, lots of closest to me anyway. And for me, lots of seeing the lights of in riot, Mark Bryant, John Salarco, lots of playing, week in, week out, those were the first real introduction to football that I had. Sorry, where I would see lots of these stars playing football, something that I just wanted to aspire to. Did you think maybe your chance with those trials coming along, non-league, and you're thinking, is my chance going to come? You're quite a late starter, relatively, getting through to the pro ranks. Did you think that that chance might have slipped away at any point? I thought it had gone. Personally, I thought the opportunity had gone. I didn't believe that I was going to get the opportunity to play professional football. As you can imagine, 22, 23, it was just literally before my 23rd birthday. For me, that opportunity, lots of it had gone, lots of looking at other avenues. So for me, I was just going to play non-league football and then just carve out a career alongside playing non-league football. Just going to pick up on something you said earlier there about Billy Smith and directing you on and off the pitch. Was there a worry of you going the wrong way off the pitch? I think there was always the worry that I could have gone the other way. Living in Croydon, we didn't have much. I think one thing, my mother, lots of kind of moved us out of the Croydon area was living in Causton, so it's like very rural, very green, away from all the trials and tribulations that was kind of going on in Croydon. But naturally, we would always go back to Croydon because that's where everything was happening. So there was always that potential that I could have taken the wrong route. One of the things is that we was brought up in the Christian household and my mum was very, she was very lots of firm with the fact that we have to follow in the footsteps of the good one above and make sure that we do the right thing. So you got your dream move to Crystal Palace and is it fair to say you didn't get too many chances there? Yeah, the opportunities at Palace were limited and when I first signed for Palace, I actually hit the ground running. I thought I started off really, really well. I got put into the first team squad and ironically, we went back up to Middlesbrough. I think just a couple of weeks after I'd signed and we ended up winning the league to get promoted to the Premiership. But after that, I don't think sometimes it takes a bit of time to adjust and that's why I think I had lots of little time to adjust with only lots of training twice a week, making that adjustment and lots of training full-time. It did have an impact and I think I started off like the... My first few months there was right near the end of the season so from the March, that's when the transfer deadline would have been in March. So from March to the end of the season, I thought I'd done really well. Coming back for pre-season, I don't think I... I think the effects of pre-season training took its toll. So I started off a little bit slower than I would have liked to, but yeah. So you signed for the Cherries in March 1996, making your debut here in a 2-1 win against Bristol Rovers, which was a rare win against the Rovers in those days. I remember they always seemed to have the upper hand against us. What were your memories of that game if you like? I seem to remember the local newspaper report giving you Man of the Match, even. Yeah, I remember the game. I remember lots of snippets of the game. I do recall having quite a good game. I enjoyed it playing the centre in midfield. Again, it was an opportunity to play football, an opportunity to lots of playing in front of the crowd, play regularly. It was an opportunity I couldn't turn down, but playing in front of the crowd here at Dean Court, probably about 5,000 or so, it was just a buzz. I loved every minute of it and I really, really enjoyed it. Just to confirm, is it right you were a right winger in your early days and Mel converted you? I knew. I played all over the place. I played centre forward. I played lots of centre midfield, played right midfield. The only place I didn't play was, ironically, centre back. And that's where I ended up. Just tell us about, you touched on it earlier, the club that you joined then. There was a lot going on off the pitch, probably more going on off the pitch than there was on the pitch, particularly with the financial uncertainty. How much of that were you aware of? To be honest, yeah, I wasn't aware of it at all when I first signed. You know, it was only once I come into the set-up you become more aware of it. You know, I was just oblivious to it. I don't know, George Endar, you know, was down there just before my kind of, that's why I come down. And George said, that's all, yeah, it's a good set-up. You know, that's all Mel's interested in you. So, you know, if he does get lots of, get in touch with you, just take the opportunity. I was coming out of contract at Palace, so it was a no-brainer for me. But in terms of answering your question, I was oblivious to all the off-field problems that were happening here until I actually come down. And then lots of, you know, I heard a few of the boys talking about, because obviously you had the transfer window in the March, end of season, lots of beginning of May. Then you'd have that six-week, seven-week break in the summer. So, as you come in close to the summer, you know, there was a few whispers about we might not get paid over the course of the summer. So, that's when the penny sort of dropped and I become a bit more aware of, like, all the off-field problems. John Bailey, Matt Holland, Steve Robinson, Steve Fletcher, some big, big personalities that you came into the squad. Just tell us about those guys. You know what, they were all different personalities, you know, but all fantastic individuals. I think Matt Holland is one of the nicest guys that you'll ever meet in football. I think that he would always give you the time of day. I think he was a fantastic footballer as well, you know, technically very, very sound, very astute, but very quiet man off the pitch, you know, kept himself to himself to be fair and he was like the model professional. So, I think we all could learn a lot from Matt, you know, that's all because the way Harry conducted himself, the way Harry carried himself on and off the pitch. So, you know, Matt getting his move and that's all the things that Matt's achieved since then. You know, I think he deserved it. Robbo, John Bailey, you know, they were characters, lively. John was very lively, you know. I love John to bits. I think he's a wonderful character. He would always be the first one to dig me out, you know, like, on the pitch and off the pitch, regardless if I was captain or not. You know, he didn't miss his words. He just told it how it was. And, you know, he's straight talking, you know, to the point, you know, and he made sure that, you know, he did the job, he would make you fully aware. And he wasn't even the captain, you know. So, but yeah, John was brilliant. I think he was an integral part of the team here because a lot of work, good work we did. His link-up play with Youngie, you know, down at right-hand side produced a lot of fruits, you know, for us. You forgot to say anything about Steve Fletcher. We'll give you 10 seconds. It was only 10 seconds. Fletch, oh well, you know what, Fletch. Again, you know what, Fletch is a fantastic individual, you know. I'm not particularly happy. He dug me out last week. It was my birthday last week, and he basically said that it was my fault that he sent a video message to say that it was my fault that we lost the Wembley final. So thanks very much for that, Fletch. Happy birthday. Yeah, happy birthday. Yeah, Fletch, I think that's all the way we played. You know, we needed Fletch. You know, we needed that. The way how lots of Fletch held the ball up, you know, lots of them battled with the centre halves, you know, it gives us time to, like, move up the pitch. And also play the way that we played, you know. And he wasn't just one that could battle. He was one that, you know, you could play the ball into him, lots of what he would play as well. So he wasn't just one that would win the physical battles he could play. So I think Fletch complemented the way that we played and the way that Mel wanted us to play as a team. I've coxied down the years of covering the cherries games with Willow and the car. I've heard so many stories about everybody from Willow. I always like to take the chance to hear stories about Willow from people on the other end of it. Willow obviously was a centre half as well. Just give us your impression of Willow as an assistant manager, I guess, around the place at the time you were playing. Yeah, Willow was really good. You know, I think my time here, like, with Willow, it was really good, you know. Again, I was making the transition going into being a centre half. So for me, I was like, fish out of water. So Willow would obviously give us advice and, like, on the training pitch, you would tell us, you know, little things that I should be doing and shouldn't be doing. It was good for me here because I was going into a position I knew nothing about, you know. So I was just going to lots of, essentially, you know, not wing it, but do my best. But I was a centre midfield. I was more of an attacking player, you know. And as you probably noticed, a lot of times I would want to get the ball to the back and lots of going little mazies, but... That's not from Willow, did you? No, no, I didn't know. No, a lot of times when I was doing that, Willow was telling me lots of, what are you doing? Just head it and kick it. Put it in the stands. So I was exactly like Willow. And you had a couple of palace boys. Of course, Jimmy Glass, who's back here as well now himself, and Jamie Vincent, of course, who was on-lone as well. Did that help having a bit of a palace link as well down here? I think so. Again, as I've remistered a lot of times over there, you know, when I've done these calls and videos, lots of online, I'm a quiet person by nature. So, you know, lots of coming into a new environment, you know, takes me time to settle in. As a young man, lots of coming, lots growing up. And for me, you know, I spent all my informative years in and around London, never really ventured outside London. So coming down to Bournemouth was a breath of fresh air. But having people who you know you've got an affinity with and you know, that's all, it helps that bedding in process. So having Jimmy and Jamie here helped me settle in, you know, a lot quicker than what I probably would have done if they weren't. Well, come on to Trinidad and Tobago at the World Cup later on, because I know there's a Rio Ferdinand link in that as well. But you partnered with Rio for 10 games in 96-97. Neil's written here, you upstaged him on your debut. I don't remember that game personally, but you scored in a 1-1 draw at Blackpool. What do you remember about the 18-year-old Rio back then playing with him? What is there not to remember? He was just, he was just head and shoulders above everyone else, you know, at such a young age, you know, through training, you know, he would take things on ball very quickly, like what the things that Willow and Mel was trying to get across, you know, his technical ability, you know, the way how he was just oozed confidence. It just oozed class, you know, and you just knew that he was, you know, destined for something big, you know, lots of playing with him here for those 10 or 11 games. I was gutted when he went back, I really was, because I enjoyed the time with him because I was learning, you know, lots of, I was learning from this 18-year-old who was, you know, lots of going to go on and do, being lots of one of the biggest things in world football. But it was just an enjoyable, you know, lots of things. So, again, when he went, I was gutted, but yeah, the time with him, I really enjoyed. Got to see that financial uncertainty we spoke about earlier and you said you sort of weren't very aware of it when you first came in, sort of came home to roost that Friday morning in January 97 when the receivers turned up. What were your memories of, and don't go into the Bristol City game just yet, that's my next question. Just your first thoughts about what was going on? I think there wasn't really a true understanding as to, you know, what would, you know, what was actually going to happen. I think we were always under the mindset that the PFA would step in, you know, like sort of not going to allow a football club to go under. But when you look back to years gone by, you know, I think Maidstone, they kind of went out of the league. So there's a history that, like, so it could potentially happen. But I think with us as players, I think it was a community we had here at the football club, and we pulled one another through. I think it was important because, you know, the times were very testing times again. I think there's a misconception that just because you're playing football, that, you know, you've got all this surplus amount of cash in the bank that it wouldn't necessarily matter. But where human beings at the end of the day, we still got, you know, bills to pay and things like that. So at the time it was very unsettling, you know, very unnerving. But I think the support of our teammates who we was, they wouldn't say we was all closely knit, but we were very supportive of one another at that time. And the first game after that news had broken was a way to high-flying Bristol City Aston Gate. Everybody thought it was going to be the club's last game. You scored the winning goal, we beat them 1-0. Just, that must have been a really emotional day for everybody. Just sort of give us your memories of, you know, what was going on in the change room beforehand, what was Mel's talk like and stuff like that. I can't really remember too much about what happened prior to the game, to be honest with you. I just, I think all we were fully aware of is that it could potentially be our last game. So I think everyone just wanted to just go and play the game as best we possibly could. You know, I know that odds were stacked heavily against us against Bristol City, but I was always under the mindset that a lot of times in adversity, you know, lots of you pull through, you know, and through adversity you find strength, you know. And that was lots of, that was demonstrating that game. Everyone pulled through in that game. Everyone lots of dug deep within their resources and managed to put out a result which was, you know, I think lots of, we would have upset a few of the betting slips that day for sure. There were, obviously there were redundancies at the time, including Big Willow, he was made redundant and then there was a sort of petition among supporters to bring him back, which then he was brought back and talking about emotional events in this club's history, probably none more so than the Winter Gardens that night. There was certainly a lot of tears that night. A lot of money raised as well. The begging bowls came out if you like. Just you were there, I know. Just tell us about that night. I think it was, as you say, it was very emotive. Obviously having the Bristol City game before, I believe, that was Friday, I think, that the Winter Gardens and then we had Blackpool the next game, I think. And I remember lots of the crowd outside, like raising money with the buckets, but the Winter Gardens was just, it was, it would be an event I'll never forget because it just showed the community spirit. You know, everyone pulling together, everyone, lots of wanting to have the football club about and not wanting this football club to just, lots of just be, lots of all kind of go, lots of with the financial constraints. And, you know, luckily for us, we was fortunate with the community spirit, with the backing of the community, that everyone managed to pull through and we managed to, you know, like sort of save the football club, but that wouldn't have been possible without the support of the football, without the support of the community. Yeah, the club saved, effectively, by the AFC Bournemouth Trust Fund, which put it in the hands of supporters. What part did the players sort of play in that side of things? Well, I think we just tried our best to do what we could do on a pitch, really. We raised awareness as much as we possibly could, I think, essentially, we as players didn't necessarily do that much. I think it was more of the supporters. I don't think we could, we could only do our bit on the pitch and where we could, like, sort of be at, like, any fundraisers, any campaigns or, you know, anything that was going on. We would have to make sure we were there, like, sort of to support the cause. But, for the most part, it was down to the community. The community would have ones that say, salvaged this football club, you know, and I don't think that should be, you know, sort of taken lightly, you know, the efforts that they did. Some achievement, by the way, in your first full season. Player of the Year and top goal scorer. That is an achievement to mark your coming. Yeah. Well, I did say I was placing it forward, you know. Surprise. Can you remember how many you got? I think it was eight, wasn't it? Eight. There you go. Spot on. Yeah. You know what, I was, I was, I was chuffed to bits with that season because, again, lots of the season, for some reason, lots of it, never really started the season off well. And I remember we started, we played Watford here, our first game of the new season. I think it was 96-97. Didn't particularly play too well. And I remember later on in that season, I ended up getting dropped. And that's when I got moved back into defence. But when I got dropped and I was playing in refill that time, I just, all I wanted to do is just continue playing football. But, you know, I was gutted because I moved down. And lots of, you know, there was this uncertainty about playing. And that's the reason why I moved down, really, to play football. But that just galvanised me, really. And I think lots of Mel moving his back, you know, lots of into a self-centre-half role, you know, kind of aided my development. The following season, Coxy obviously, the club reached the final of the auto-windscreen shield at Wembley, would come on to the final later. But in true Bournemouth fashion, it was anything but plain sailing, a comfortable 2-0 win at Walsall in the area final. But that soon disappeared in the second leg here. Just tell us about that game. Yeah, as you said, the game up here at Walsall, you know, I remember lots of, prior to the game, lots of being in the hotel, and we were all just saying to ourselves, you know, we've got a real opportunity here. You know, if we can get a result here, we go back to being cool. We can really do something. Let's say lots of, we played well up at Walsall, you know, got a 2-0 win. And then lots of coming back down to being cool. You know, it was just unbelievable. The ebbs and troughs of that game, the emotions that you actually went through on that game was just unbelievable. You know, lots of one minute, lots of the beginning, we was doing all right, and we was, like, had one foot in the final. We just had to just be safe, you know. And I think that was probably, you know, lots of what kind of made it a little bit more difficult because we, in our minds, we already had one foot in the final. If we didn't concede, if we didn't do anything silly. But I think when you're, when you're defending or when you're playing like that, you know, there's too much emphasis on what's defending rather than just playing your normal, natural game. And that's what we didn't particularly do, you know, which, as you said, made a little bit nerve-wracking. I know that later on in the podcast, Chris is going to say that signing for Dillingham was obviously the biggest highlight of your career. So the second biggest highlight must have been leading the team out at Wembley. What was that like for you, you know, that you thought you might not get a chance? I think it's anyone, any footballer's dream, lots of things, anyone who's a club captain, anyone who plays football has a dream of leading, lots of their team out at Wembley. That was a dream that was fulfilled, you know, through lots of the hard work of everyone, lots of the football club that year because I think the year before, we were possibly going to go out of business. But I think that that year, that their year, leading the team out is just a boyhood dream and lots of, to have that opportunity to do that with Bournemouth was an unbelievable experience for me. And I know it was heartbreak losing to a golden goal and I think the only person who later on was pleased about that was Jimmy Glass because he was credited with a known goal and he lays claim to being the only man to have scored a known goal at Wembley and says he scored two of the most talked about goals in the history of football with his winner for Carlisle. What was that like, that emotion, if you like? It was very sad, it was like an anti-climax because you talk about fate and things like that and for me, I think that's all with a lot of the boys. We actually thought our name was on the cup but as we talked about earlier on, Fletcher sent us a birthday message and said it was my fault for the goal and yeah, when I look back at it, it was and I do like to hold myself accountable because I should have just cleared the ball rather than let's all try and play it back to Jimmy when Jimmy was on Russia and I should have just cleared the ball but it's one of them things and I think that the whole experience was a bit of an anti-climax because we went there to win with everything that had gone prior we wanted to win that game and use that as a way of giving something back to the supporters to say thank you for what you've done for us over the last year and a half or so in lots of keeping us in jobs and lots of keeping us here at the football club and saving the football club in Bournemouth We can help you go back through the video by the way and find a chance that Steve Fletcher missed in that game if that would help you even out the... Would you be so kind? We can go through with my new detail to find a chance Fletcher would have scored to maybe share a bit of the blame if he's going to keep throwing it at you Oh please, please do We'll do that. That's my next job after this podcast Thanks by the way to the AFCB fan base on Twitter it felt to captain the side at Wembley we'll get to some more of the supporter questions a little bit later on but just tell us about Frank rolling coxie because he partnered you in both legs of the area final before Eddie Howell came into play alongside you at Wembley but the story goes that Frank refused to walk up the steps to get his runners-up medal To be honest, I don't even know too much about that obviously you're educating me here but I think he would have been disappointed and that's natural I think for anyone any footballer who's been playing they just want to play as I said before and obviously Frank had played the games you know, prior and Lottsall didn't have the opportunity to play in the final so there was a natural disappointment there for Frank and if that was me I would have probably been the same I would have been absolutely gutted but again, you know, Lottsall when an opportunity comes you know, Lottsall you have to take it and Eddie would start to put into the team and you know, he just flew from there Was there any sort of party? I know you lost Was there any sort of party or function afterwards? Yeah, there was, yeah, there was Lottsall, I can't remember the name of the hotel but we was in a hotel, Lottsall, after it was good, you know, Lottsall it was a great experience and I guess that Lottsall not all the memories of that game not kind of for that moment, Lottsall just went but I think it was just Lottsall having a love reflection on how far we'd come from you know, the days where they had the buckets outside and Lottsall where we almost went out of business the culmination where we obviously lost the final Wembley and having that the after party I think it was just a case of, you know us just, it was more of a reflection a reflective celebration Just sort of partly moving on from Wembley then Eddie Howe as we've mentioned played alongside you in that final let's do the Eddie Howe section Could you have foreseen him having the management CV that he's already got with maybe more chapters still to come? I don't think anyone could have done really to be honest I think Eddie's a very articulate young man he kind of knows what he wants but I think when you come into the team and you're just a footballer I don't think you can actually see if someone's going to be a good manager as such he was very quiet when he first came into the team but he was very confident and again, Lottsall playing with Rio you end up learning things from Lottsall with your other half so to speak I learnt Lottsall from Eddie playing alongside him and hopefully Lottsall, he would have learnt things from me, Lottsall we were playing together as well What do you think he'd say about you as a centre-half partner? What has he told you in the past about you being a centre-half partner? I would like to think that Eddie would say that we complimented each other that's what I'd like to think I think we had a good relationship on the pitch so when I was having a bit of a bad time he would dig me out more often than not when I would like to go on little mazes and Eddie would be the one at the defence making sure once I lose the ball that he would get everybody back together I think we had a good working relationship we worked very very well together in the time that we played in the team together I remember my memories of Eddie when he was a young lad there you said he was quiet very meticulous very professional he was a sort of guy that would read the times rather than the sun so whilst nobody could have foreseen the management CV that he was going to have there were some sort of signs that he was not saying a one-off but slightly different as I said before you've got Matt Holland who is true professionals Matt Holland was a true professional that we all learnt so much from because the way how he conducted himself not just on the pitch but off the pitch and Eddie was another one because as you said he was a true professional he conducted himself appropriately off the pitch as well as on the pitch so yeah, we all learnt massive amounts from Eddie You didn't miss a game in the league for a couple of seasons 97, 98, 98, 99 the last game of that 98, 99 season was a 0-0 home draw against Wrexham and it denied you a place in the playoffs now that must have been a source of well it obviously was a source of great disappointment for everybody You know what I have to say I was gutted at the end of the season because I think we spent the majority of the season in the top six we had a brief period when we was not all up in the top two but yeah for the most part we was top six all the way through when I look back I always and I see the game I don't think the Wrexham game was the actual issue I go back probably about five or six games to the game against Jillingham where we played fantastically well in the first half and also we had to weather a bit of storm in the second half they got a late winner I think it was probably Kevin Lisby got the late winner for Jillingham that was live on Sky Sports so I would always pin that game as having a pivotal impact because I think if we had won that game we would have been fine but I think after that we went on and sure we lost a couple more games after that as well so yeah the Wrexham game was disappointing but I think the damage was done a few games prior to that I can remember exactly where I was when Kevin Lisby scored that win I was a student in Winchester at King Alfred's College I was in the student bar watching that game it was on a tiny little TV in the quarter as you say Coxy on Sky Sports and I remember being as a Jillingham fan and I bought my fans a lot of them listened to my Jillingham fans they won't mind me saying I was the opposite end of the spectrum to you when that goal went in I'm afraid Chris that's not on the running order and we're not on the slide it's interesting the playoffs as we said now I've spoken to a number of players from that squad in the past and they've said that the club's inability to reach the championship in that era prompted them to look for a move because they were never going to realise that dream here we'll come on to your move to Burnley later but was that in your thoughts or was it just purely that the club needed the money? I think I think it's probably double edged sword to be honest with you so I believe that the club obviously needed the money and going into the championship would have been the opportunity to at least get into the playoffs and get some financial get some income that way would have had an impact but equally lots of players wanted to move on and not having the opportunity to play at a high level I think yeah lots of that was probably in the club's mind as well the fact that they probably need to move some players on lots of much needed income the fact that lots of things didn't go to plan In those days Coxy, not very many Bournemouth players got international call-ups and I remember you getting your first Trinidad and Tobago call-up and I also remember Mel Maching probably not being too happy about that because he was going to be losing you for games is it fair to say that he wasn't overly keen on you going away? Yeah I think at the time it's I don't think it was taken seriously personally you know sort of having an international call-up going to play for Trinidad and Tobago I don't believe that it had lots of it was taken with all seriousness I think if it was if it was getting a call-up for England you know that's a little bit different but you know we was travelling on the other side of the world to play lots of World Cup qualifiers and you know as a player you need to be picking your wits against the best players you know whether it be here or whether it be away so for me you know it was something I needed to do but I know he wasn't particularly happy for it and again Mel hadn't had you know he had to look at how he was going to get the best out of his squad and he wants all his best players there I guess you know to get a result on Saturday It's a rumour only it's a rumour only can you confirm or deny that he threw the call-up papers in the bin and didn't tell you? You know what I can confirm goodness me back in the day then a letter was probably where you'd find out I don't know how far we're going but anyway February 2000 we'll come back to Trinidad and Tobago and the World Cup of 2006 in a moment but February 2000 your time here came to an end anyway as a player when you joined Burnley Stan Turnant was the manager for Burnley in every sense and what Stan Turnant was like for you because everyone knows old school they would put Stan Turnant in that category Yeah so for me when I got the call on the Monday that I was going to be leaving and also just to make sure my bags are ready for the next day to go up to Burnley and sign for basically it was going to be a club up north didn't even know who it was going to be and then I told you we were going to a club yeah this is through my agent he didn't want to lots of put any lots of he didn't want no one to know about it so lots of rather than telling me he just didn't want to know about it so essentially lots of the next day he knew I wanted to pit my wits against the best players and I think over the last couple of years prior there was a lot of interest from teams coming down watching and possibly putting bids in and lots of bids weren't accepted and so forth so for me I knew I had to I didn't want to stagnate at Bournemouth so for me leaving Bournemouth I wanted to leave but I didn't want to leave I wanted to leave for my own personal development but I didn't want to leave because this was like for me this was my education this is what kind of put me on the path to lots of reliving lots of my dreams lots of going forward so yeah so it was difficult but I knew I had to take the opportunity in terms of like leaving here lots of leaving Mel I enjoyed working with Mel Mel was fantastic for me he gave me he was adamant he wanted me to be the captain of the football team where I did not want to be the captain but he thrust that responsibility onto me and I'll be forever grateful because that was always part of something that I needed at that time going to Burnley was completely different because that's where I was probably one of the older players here I was going into a team where there was a lot more experienced players and you had a manager who had a reputation of lots of just getting results you know so my first introduction to Stan lots of you know it was all it was just normal it was just fine happy and so forth but you realise very quickly that if you did not do your job lots of then there's going to be problems come back to Burnley but I just wanted to go on a slight side tangent there because you mentioned about having to leave Bournemouth because you felt like you might stagnate down here is that a wider issue sometimes for people not just in football but in life in terms of comfort zone where everything's comfortable and you're sailing along and it's all very happy you sort of end up sticking with it but actually if you push your boundaries a little bit like you said right I need to go and make a step is that something that you would learn from that situation I guess without a shadow of a doubt and it's what I'm doing now working on the NCS constantly lots of saying it's about pushing young people out of their comfort zone so I can't be preaching that if I'm not going to practice it myself or I haven't practiced it in the past so yeah I think lots of you have to stretch yourself a little bit you know you haven't got to stretch yourself massively but if you just stretch yourself a little bit once you get used to that you stretch yourself a bit more I think lots of they talk about lots of you're learning lots of you learn more about the comfort zone rather than staying in what you know and you can go and autopilot I think you have to push yourself coming back to it to Burnley then because your second game for Burnley was here a 1-0 win for Burnley how difficult was that the emotions must have been all over the place yeah that was I've been asked a few times about what would be the most what would be the game that has the most impact on me and I think that game especially lots of had a massive impact on me just purely because of the emotions attached to it I still had attachment to the football club there wasn't that severance so to speak because there wasn't time for me to get over my time at Bournemouth coming back a week or so later was just you couldn't even write it but for me coming back here was probably what I needed because I think it was nice to have that opportunity to say goodbye to the sports because one minute I was here and the next minute I was gone so you didn't really have that opportunity to say goodbye and so forth but that whole day for me I mean before kickoff I would never ever forget as long as I live and they're reading out the name and the players and so forth and then I think my name is read out and I was expecting and believe me I was expecting people to lots of be booing and probably throwing some rotten fruit at us and so forth it went beyond my wildest dreams literally the whole everyone stood up and the whole of the ground just applauded and I was like wow this is unbelievable this is unbelievable so that moment I wish I could capture and lots of just look back on it because that moment there has been probably the most important part of my journey because as I said there was no severance and my attachment with Bournemouth you see it all the time where players go back to their old clubs and they get booed and so I was that's exactly what I was expecting but it wasn't the case and it even brought a tear to my just before kickoff but I then had to switch on and lots of try and do my job because if I didn't not stand I'll be lots of hauling this off it didn't probably go in for emotion too much Dan I guess that's one of the times where you wish people had phone cameras or there was TV cameras where somebody somewhere would have had a record a tape running in the background somewhere of your name getting read out and that reaction and all that it's not about being an egotistical or anything like that it's just about you get to lots of my age now and you look back and you just think there are certain memories that you wish you could just look back on and capture and that is one of the memories that's probably one of my favourite memories in football I know we talk about the Wembley experience and you know playing in quarterfinals of FA Cups and things like that but that moment there that particular moment there you know it's imprinted on my heart I think it's probably imprinted on most of the Cherries fans hearts who were here that day as well your third game for it all happened in your early stages of Burnley career coxie because in your third game you then ended up playing alongside Ian Wright obviously one of your heroes if you like from your palace days in a Burnley shirt and you couldn't even write that as well it was unbelievable for me Wrighty coming in was fantastic because where lots of before we played Bristol Rovers our first game and it was probably about 17, 18,000 but Wrighty coming in just blew the crowds through the roof and equally he took a lot of pressure of me all the focus was then on Wrighty it wasn't necessarily on me as such even though I signed for 500,000 you know there wasn't that focal point wasn't really being as about Ian Wright and he was brilliant he was an idol of mine him Wright, Paul Gascoigne two of my favourite players to have the opportunity to play against both of them but Wrighty was just unbelievable and lots of what he generated around the turf more in Burnley galvanised us and pushed us over the finishing line to get promotion on the last day what's going to say your move was vindicated almost by that promotion you're in the championship now did you sort of feel a sense of I'm where I want to be now after all these years yeah I felt that I was probably two years behind schedule to be honest with you Neil but I felt that this was an opportunity to savor and just go and do my best really it was going to be tough because obviously moving up into the championship Stammer's going to bring new players in so it's constantly challenging for your place you don't know if you're going to start or not but invariably the first two seasons were really really good you know we just missed out on the playoffs one season I think by a couple of points or one point and the next season we bettered our point tally and we missed out by you know goal difference and the Trinidad and Tobago call-up papers eventually came out of the dustbin in March 2001 when you made your debut playing along the likes of Shaka Hislop and Dwight York against Costa Rica what your memories of that Dave? That game was something else I mean the sheer noise the sheer atmosphere playing lots of in Costa Rica was just ecstatic it was just unreal you know lots of the Costa Rica game lots of there's a few other games lots of the football was just completely different what it generates you know is just completely different but playing against obviously world-class players I think Paola Wontrop was playing for Costa Rica at the time you know to pick your wits against top level players is what we as players aspire to do you know and I know it's not here in England but you have to go to the other side of the world to do it but in the game it's pushing yourself out your comfort zone. Just before I hand over to Chris now Bournemouth fans and Burnie fans feel free to join us now. The reason for the Neal saying that of course as I mentioned earlier it's not a secret that Jillingham has been my team obviously I have a long association with this club as well but in June 2003 Coxie your footballing dreams came true when you moved to Jillingham and that's the end of the podcast Andy Hessenthaler I think it's fair to say it wasn't always the most popular character around these parts when he was playing for Jillingham against Bournemouth was your manager then it's not too long about that section of your career but just talk us through the Jillingham days if you like. Yeah so Jillingham is essentially where I've spent most of my time coming to the end of my career I spent five years there so the first season we've done alright that's all for the first part but we were always struggling towards the bottom end of the league so I think the first season we ended up staying up by one goal so on the last day of the season but I think when I went to sign for Jillingham I don't think I'd done I think you get to a point where you're trying to replicate what you've done in the past but as you get older you have to try and reinvent how you play your football and not do try to do as much as what you used to do but still work as hard and still try and get the results so I think it was a reinvention process for me coming to Jillingham coming at last all the back end of my career so yeah so the first year I didn't particularly do myself I don't think personally played too well and it's ironically only when Stan came that I kind of my game upped so when he turned up in 2004 I think it was for me that was that got me going again and that was like for me that I started my engine back up and I ended up playing felt more like myself with a freedom and just how I used to play we spoke about some of the coincidental happenings and just for context for those who don't know this is Stan Ternant, your old Burnley manager turning up at Jillingham as the next manager after Andy Hasenthaler had been there so by chance you reunited with him yeah I mean as I said before we spoke of Mike before and I couldn't believe it when Stan at Jillingham you know I left Burnley in 2003 signed for Jillingham and in lots of other years later Stan Ternant but you know what I've got so much love and admiration for Stan because he always got the best out of me I think my last year at Burnley it was a bit of an injury ravaged season and that was at the time as well when the BT I think it was the kind of the TV sport, IGT even digital pulled the plug and all the money fell out of football and so forth so but Stan I had a good relationship with Stan you know and I understood what he wanted for me you know and I sort of he knew that you know he could trust and rely on me once I went on the pitch so yeah so when he turned up at Jillingham I was very shocked but it was a catalyst for pushing me forward and getting me going again Jillingham obviously had a raft of World Cup players throughout their history I think of Brent Sancho immediately as well as yourself and it was in your Jillingham days wasn't it that you went to the World Cup in Germany with Trinidad and Tobago you didn't manage to get on the pitch so I guess first and foremost was that a little bit of a regret you obviously England was one of the fixtures as well you went but you didn't get on the pitch it was disappointing to be honest very disappointed but I think I only had myself to blame for that because the World Cup campaign lots of I had to make decisions lots of whether to go and play in the World Cup games this is before Leo Ben Harker took over and I didn't go I wanted to focus on getting a new contract so that's all here but when you look at it and when I look back at 2004 how the qualifiers were working it was like free from the group would qualify so it would be America Costa Rica and Mexico would be the free but it would be for some reason they had a fourth qualifying spot so the fourth qualifiers the one that finished fourth would then play the best team in Asia that finished in the same similar position so that presented us with a fourth opportunity to get to the World Cup so if we couldn't get to the World Cup that's all that way or have at least given ourselves a good shot then we didn't deserve to but we finished fourth and before Leo Ben Harker took over we was like sort of near the bottom we didn't have a hope in hell really we managed to pull it out of the bag at that time it was just unbelievable obviously as we say England was one of the games in that World Cup finals in Germany that England won 2-0 strange again that you and Rio having played together here for Bournemouth all those years ago the World Cup in 2006 you're guessing opposition at a World Cup England against Trinidad and Tobago although not directly yeah it was I remember the day when the World Cup draw was being made when lots of our names got pulled out and England's name got pulled out I mean me and Brent were just besides ourselves we just could not believe it that was the perfect draw for us you know that was the perfect draw having lots of being put alongside England was just perfect because you know who would have even thought it you know lots of that we would have been pitting our wits against you know the superstars of England and they're superstars amongst the world but because we've got the affiliation here in England I think it just had that more more of an impact Brent Sancho I guess your club mate was probably competing with you for a place wasn't it and he got it yeah Brent got it and again lots of that's a testament to Sanch really lots of Sanch done well in the games that he played here but equally lots of Sanch was committed to the World Cup calls so when I lots of pulled out of the World Cup squad I remember going to we had to go for a trial in Trinidad lots of when Leo Ben Harker took over I just basically only lots of said I need to go back it was my daughter's birthday so I kind of left really lots of and I just come back and spend time lots of my daughter later down the line I was kind of thinking that I saw those playing the World Cup qualifier Dennis Lawrence got sent off so I just rang Leo Ben Harker up and I just basically said look I'm sorry for letting you down but if you do need an extra cent and a half I realised Dennis is not going to be available for the next couple of games then you know I'm just making myself available and he just said okay and then he just hung up so I just thought well that's not going to be that might be the end of that but then lots of on a Friday afterwards I ended up getting to let her come through doing him saying that lots of yeah I've been called up to go and play so you know Brent lots of all was consistent all the way through and he deserved his opportunity because he you know lots of made the sacrifice and to go back to Trinidad when I didn't make all those sacrifices and I was extremely jilling and didn't just throw the call-up papers in the vendor they to be honest a hess was fine with it you know lots of at the time hess was fine you know lots of with the call-ups but when Stan comes Stan didn't particularly want me to go because we was in a relegation fight you know and he wanted me to stay you know and lots of fight there you know the calls really so yeah it was it's difficult it's like so back then it's a little bit different to now whereas like so they tend to have more the managers tend to have lots you know once you're called up you know they don't really have too much of a say. Just the last one on the World Cup you were 35 I think I'm right in saying at the time of the World Cup so a bit like maybe when you were an early pro and you thought you turned pro and you thought your chance might have gone presumably did you think ever get to a World Cup by the time you were 35? Never never never did I think to get to the World Cup even when it's playing in the World Cup qualifiers didn't think I'd get to a World Cup you know just purely because you know it just seems so far out of our sphere you know but at 35 coming to the to the back end of my career you know to have the opportunity to to go to the World Cup and I know we talked about not actually playing in the nuts or getting in the game time but I think that far outweigh just being in lots of that that setting you know for that period of time rather than playing in the game game time. Is that the end of the Jillingham section now Chris? You can that'll be edited out this will make no sense when it eventually goes to air the AFC Bournemouth slash Jillingham podcast. Thanks for coming in we'll see you tomorrow. See you later bye bye Cox you left Jillingham in 2008 you had a brief spell playing in non-league normally when players hang up their boots they either go into coaching or open a pub you went into the prison service just tell us about that. Yeah I mean I took a bit of time off and I just you know was probably a little bit of a loose sense as to what I was going to do you know I was thinking to myself what should I go into. So probably six months later I kind of thought I'd need to develop some develop myself and I thought we can get some different skill sets rather than just staying what I know so I went into the prison service and worked with young offenders. Just tell us about that work what you did. Yeah so it's just essentially just rehabilitating young offenders really they would be placed on a if they've not sort of committed an offense not sort of outside they'll be placed on a on the DTO which is like a detention training order so it was just about rehabilitating these young people through education you know sort of you know making sure that they understand the errors of their ways a lot of time that you know it's not necessarily going to work but you still have to put that work in. So it would be through one to one sessions you know conducting key working sessions with these young people and building lots of some kind of affiliation with them so lots when they do go back out into the real world that they they don't go and that must have presented you with some difficult situations to deal with any that sort of spring to mind you can tell us about. Yeah it is it will do because again I think young people you know that are actually placed on DTOs you know their their mindset is that if they're only going to be in there for like sort of six seven months you know to try and change someone in six seven months is not necessarily going to happen because they're going to go back to what they know but yeah there's a challenging environment with our leaders out you know it has changed you as a person and as an individual because some of these young people are crying out for help you know they're crying out for help and they're in distress and they need someone to believe in them and they need someone to you know to try and help them you know but again like it's like anything I would say that you know sometimes you've got to meet each other halfway. We'll talk a little bit more about your role here shortly and you always kept your hand in on the non-league side with a bit of coaching but after the prison service what other community projects were you involved in and what sort of roles did you have there? Yeah so I went and worked in a residential setting we were going with young people from the ages of nine to seventeen and that was just I was working in the assessment centre where we would assess the needs of young people and basically just lots of write an assessment report as to lots of where they were best pitched so they may be going into foster care or it may be placed into one of the homes down on the main site. We haven't mentioned Jillingham for a couple of minutes so should we return into football Cox? Let's say you went to work for a club but let's not say Jillingham but you actually went back into the game didn't you as a first team coach under Steve Lovell who not the Bournemouth Steve Lovell but the Walsh International Steve Lovell from yes the year a year or so as a first team coach back in football before you came down here to take on the role you've got now did that sort of light fires for you again to say that that's where your career might be for the rest of your football days if you like? You know what actually prior to that you know I was working in the community and I was coaching the girls academy and that for me that's where I got like a bit more of a passion before that you know I wasn't really that interested in football but having the group of individuals that I had you know and playing lots of they playing week in week out consistently that lighted that lit my fire you know that sort of and then you know when the opportunity come at you know that's with Jillingham with Steve and Pato yeah it was it was a good opportunity to take you know and that's all just again put myself out of my comfort zone you know because again I would be the would have been a player before so to be on the other side of the fence would have been just give me some more strings to my bow. After you left there you came here in September 2019 you touched on your role earlier but just give us a little bit more insight into you know your day-to-day and more about the NCS and how people can get involved and stuff like that. Yeah so the NCS as I was kind of eluded before is a government backed initiative you know and it's essentially targeting 16 17 year olds you know that age group year 11 year 12 who just essentially finished their GCSEs and it is a two or three week program over the summer where we just basically look to upskill these young people through a series of different skill sets it'll be lots you know problem solving team building you know they'll go away for one week where they will be posed different challenges and then these challenges like we talked about earlier on it's about pushing them out of their comfort zone not too much where they they kind of you know go backwards but just enough so they stretch and they grow and then it'll be just a series of workshops you know about you know budgeting just life skills you know developing them before they go out into to the real world and then essentially that's what we'll do at the end of it is that we'll have like they will do the plan design design and plan a social action project and this could be anything it could be doing some volunteering it could be campaigning it could be fundraising to essentially just give something back to the to the community that must have been an incredibly challenging role in the last 12 months it has been yeah it has been you know I think with the NCS last year it was one minute it was on then it went too short then we was going to do it digitally you know so whereas last year we was you know last all we kind of we was meant to be like sort of I think about 170 young people we was meant to like sort of kind of reach out to and like sort of embark on this project we ended up lots of it was on a smaller scale I think we ended up over the summer in the autumn with about 45 I think altogether which was a good number and it showed lots of the young person young people's intent to to start rebuilding the local community because I think now more than ever you know not just you know lots of the local community but young people themselves they've missed out on so many opportunities to work experience you know to gain some core skills you know to develop them now more than ever that they need to you know take a leap of faith you know and lots of come and do something that's going to be worthwhile and be impactful for them so that when they do leave school college you know they've got some core fundamental skills that they can call upon you spoke earlier about you had a you had a big birthday celebration last last month amazing to think that you and I both 40 in the same year amazing now you've got a UA for B coaching license I believe if you've got any more designs to do football coaching again not really not at the moment you know I think that's lots of the A for B and I've got the youth mods well I think that for me at the moment is is alright I think lots of I enjoy what I'm doing at the moment lots of youth work I enjoy making trying to make a difference to young people so I'll continue to just upskill myself and get lots of whatever qualifications I need in this field more first and foremost just on a more general point coxie about that area lots made a course of opportunities for black coaches in this country and often maybe people would feel not enough has been done to provide the pathways Chris Powell for example obviously is involved with England these days Darren Moore high profile black manager Jimmy Floyd Hasselbank what are your views on what is necessary still to be done for opportunities for black coaches in the game I think there are initiatives out there you know that's all that are coming to the fore but I would like to see more black coaches you know because you got a lot of black players you know not years ago there wasn't as many black players but now there's more black players there there needs to be that next transition to see lots more black coaches you know that's all of the ethnic background coming in and making that transition whether the opportunities are available it's hard to say I think opportunities are very limited but I think there does need to be a little bit more done really to lots make that transition especially players because I think players are going to be leaving football you know then all that they know is coaching so that would be the next natural progression so for me there needs to be a smoother transition for everybody really lots of making the actual opportunities equal so anyone can have that transition so anyone can have lots of apply for a first team role and lots of giving a fair opportunity in actually lots of succeeding and getting lots getting a job is that area of the sort of governance of the game is that something that you're passionate about getting involved in or is it something you would be happy to contribute to if you were asked? I would always be happy to contribute because I think it's important that you know we talk about inclusion and we talk about equality and diversity I think it's important in any aspect that lots of what we're doing whether it be football whether it be just working whether it be young people seeking out opportunities the transition needs to be smooth and it needs to be opportunities needs to be equal for everybody absolutely and don't forget fans listening you can always get your questions and keep an eye on the official AFC Bournemouth social channels we always put it out a day or so in advance to ask for your questions so if you've got one you want to get in make sure you do submit it we always pick a selection out to to finish the pod off with as I say a couple we've already answered throughout the course of it but let's go to Ollie James Paddy on Twitter first of all again slightly touched on it earlier on but what did you particularly like about Bournemouth that made you want to sign here it was it was for me it was just a change you know initially I didn't know anything about Bournemouth you know as I said I grew up in London you know very rarely ventured outside of London so for 26 years or so like it was just all about lots of being in and about in and around London so when the opportunity come to sign for Bournemouth I just grabbed it you know and being down here the first few days I was down I knew I'd made the right decision you know I remember lots of coming out the hotel and an older lady was saying good morning to me now that's not happening in London you know lots of that would not happen so for me it was it was nice you know the friendly environment and a change of scenery more than anything else I needed to have that change as well because my mum had just passed away lots of a few months before and having that transition to just get away and lots of try something you was was paramount really Johnny Bullet on Twitter is asking how far do you think Eddie how would have gone in his playing career had it not been for injury yeah Eddie would have gone far Eddie would have gone far Eddie had all the credentials to to go really really far you know I think he was already in under 21 setup at the time so Eddie would have gone really really far he had all the attributes he had the right mindset you know lots of and Eddie was probably a few years ahead of everyone else you know the way his nutrition the way how he would eat lots of replenish with water and so forth so he would have gone really really far without a shadow of a doubt Matt on Twitter is asking put you on the spot here the best player you've ever played with played with I think it would have to be I'm going to say to you know the two players so I'm going to say Rio without a shadow of a doubt but there's also a player I used to play with Burnley Glen Little who you know he that boy could do on the pitch was just unbelievable you know so yeah Rio and Glen Little this is a tough one I'm not going to give you a lot of thinking time here but Sarah has put a question on Facebook can you pick a fiver side team of players that you've played with your best fiver side team or obviously Glen Little Glen Little would be one Rio would be another one Ian Wright I'd even throw all gas coin in there and who else would I have I'm going to have to go for Jimmy he wouldn't forgive me he'll be straight on to us our phone to be buzzing if he eventually hears this if he didn't say Jimmy good to see Steve Fletcher didn't make the fiver side team there as well there's a bit of comeback for him last one from the fans Ian Trabilco wanted to know what are you most proud of in your football career what I'm most proud of for me leading the team out of Wembley so I think there's a few things leading the team out of Wembley getting promotion from the second division to the championship with Burnley and also going to the World Cup I mean that is amazing things to have on your CV there it's pretty hard to pick between them Ian it's been absolutely fascinating as ever for fans to listen to the thoughts I guess back on the career and a lot of fans emerged I guess as a club so much in the last few years that a lot of the fans listening may not have seen you play but hopefully they've learnt a lot about you and your career over the last day I know it's not always your favourite thing to do speak publicly is it No it's not but you know something again as I said before I'm teaching these young people and I'm also trying to get these young people to come out of their comfort zone and publicly speak and do all the things that they don't particularly want to do and I can't be practicing and preaching to them if I'm not doing it myself so well we really appreciate your time and thanks very much Ian thank you very much well another fascinating hour on the official AFC Bournemouth podcast listing that to the thoughts over the career of Ian Cox plenty on that on that CV Neil absolutely fantastic it's great to reminisce with Coxie met him on the first day that he came through the doors from Crystal Palace followed his career with us, followed his career since and like I said you know since he packed up playing he was always on the end of a phone if ever we wanted a feature or something like that and here we are now, work colleagues 25 years later it's amazing and I'll never get Jillingham mentioned as much in an official AFC Bournemouth podcast ever again so just for that what a day we'd love it if you could rate us wherever you get your podcast please do share it of course with your fellow Cherries fans, anyone else that you think might be interested generally Burnley fans, Jillingham fans Trinidad and Tobago followers whatever our thanks again of course to Ian Cox from Neil Parrott and myself Chris Temple for the official AFC Bournemouth podcast see you next time