 My computer says six 29 and 50 seconds when my phone says six 30. I got two computers. They both say six 30. So I'm gonna pop the agenda up for channel 17. January 28th, 2021 planning commission meeting start time six 31 and recording has started. Thanks Dan. Can you pop up the preamble? I suppose I should get a copy of that but I don't have it. You actually have it in your Google drive. Do we? Yep. I even put it in the packet folder just a couple of hours ago. Let me just try to see if I can grab that real quick. Yeah, I can also. I have a phone number that just signed on 603-425-0623 if you could identify a name. Sharon, hi Jim Berniger. I hope you've been well. Thank you. Thank you. Bye bye. I'm getting there Darren. No, I got it. Participation guide or public meeting script. I got it. It's bigger this I can read it better. My eyes are getting older. So. Tell me about it. I have to get classes this year for the first time. All right, everyone. I Dustin Burso as chair of the Essex Planning Commission find that due to the state of emergency declared by Governor Scott as a result of the COVID-19 pandemic and pursuant to add them six to executive order 01-20 and act 92. This public body is authorized to meet electronically. And in accordance with act 92, there's no physical location. There's a bag in front of the thing. So folks, I'm going to jump in we're going to divert from this real quick. And if you're not speaking, if you could please mute your phones for the time here and mute your mics. Thank you. In accordance with act 92, there's no physical location to observe and listen contemporaneously to this meeting. However, reports with temporary amendments hang on. No, I'm not doing it there. So in accordance with the temporary amendments, I'm getting a lot of feedback here. I'm going through and muted the phones. From Jim Berniger. Jim, can you mute your mic? Oh, we can also. If you're calling in, you can use star six to mute or unmute, or I can mute you. No, I think I've done it on the phone. Thank you. Okay. In accordance with act 92, there's no physical location to observe and listen contemporaneously to this meeting. However, in accordance with the temporary amendments to the opening meeting law, I confirmed that we are a, providing public access to the meeting by video conference with additional access offered through telephone. We are using Microsoft Teams for this remote meeting. All members of the planning commission have the ability to communicate contemporaneously during the meeting through teams and the public exacts has access to contemporaneously listen. And if desired, participated in this meeting. Planning staff will provide instructions for the public participation using Teams before the hearings are open. Providing public notice of instructions for accessing the meeting. 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So let's start with taking a roll call attendance of all PC members participating this meeting. I'll begin with myself, Dustin Bruso, present. Dave Raphael, present. John Mangan, present. Tom Perlin, present. I heard Tom and Shu. Yep. John Aldrin, present. Ned, you're mute. Wave at us, Ned. Ned. Ha, ha, ha, ha. I'll take my microphone out, what the hell? All right, couple items real quick. Number one, John Aldrin is sitting into the planning commission this evening in his role as the alternate. And we're also welcoming Diane Clemens as a visiting planning commissioner from the village of Essex Junction. Diane will be participating in discussions, but we'll not be a voting participant this evening. So before we begin, I'd like to just ask everyone present to acknowledge the oath that we're gonna be requesting of you. And I'm trying to find it. Do we have it written? We have for them. What do we have for the preamble for this? Is that on the siren a little disorganized? I'm bouncing back and forth to a couple of computers so things are a little out of whack. I'd like everyone just to acknowledge their oath for the record as we get going. If you speak later, it will be assumed that you provided your oath. But do you swear that any testimony you present this evening would be truthful to the best of your abilities? I do. Okay. Okay. Sharon, yup. Sharon, your hand is up. Yeah, I have a participant in the meeting, Ken with a guest next to it. Could I have a last name for the record? Yeah, Sharon, I've been trying to figure out how to put my last name on there. Ken Minkar, Ken Minkar from Glavill. Thank you, Ken. M-I-N-C-A-R. And before I go any further, Doug, your hand is up as well. My mistake, sir. Okay. So tonight's meeting, before we get going, we will first have public comments, public comments for any items that are not on the agenda. In addition, this evening, this will also be an opportunity for the public and or the planning commission and or staff to offer commentary on the consent agenda item, which is before us this evening as item number two on the agenda. Within the consent, so at this point, if anybody has any comments, please offer them. If you have any questions or comments about the consent agenda, which is a boundary line adjustment and minor site plan amendment, Allenbrook development in Red Pine Circle in the RBDI district. This is the opportunity. This is Sharon. I would like to just start by saying, although there are a number of proposed amendments, I determined that they are in keeping with the consent agenda requirement, as no changes were proposed to the curb cut, pedestrian circulation, parking areas, setbacks, et cetera. Also, I do have some grammatical corrections to the public works comments that were verbatim in this draft letter. And I did speak with Aaron today to confirm his consent on changing those, making those changes. And I will just call them out to you. Page two, line 83, we've changed the word sprinkle to sprinkler, page four, line six, line 168. The last, part of the last sentence, this would be the likely location to the meter. Just delete the word the before meter. Line 175, same page. After the word impervious in the first sentence, add area. So it will read in part, there does not appear to be an increase in the total impervious area proposed. Page five, line 181. 181, after the word treatment, add the word system. So it will read in part an onsite stormwater treatment system has been, blah, blah, blah, and line 183, I guess I circled the wrong one. 183 BMP, I will write out that stands for best management practices. So those corrections will be made to the letter should this application be approved. That's all I have for right now. All right, thank you, Sharon. Does anyone have any questions or comments or I have offerings for the planning commission of any nature that items are not on the agenda or on the consent agenda? Hearing none. Wait. Okay, Patty. Is this like the public to be heard section or no? It is. Oh, great. I don't know if Dennis is coming to your meeting, but I spoke to him at a previous different meeting the planning commission meeting about creating an innovation, innovative culture and having him work with you when you discuss again the ETC next plan if that ever gets voted on. And if you have a pen or someone can write this down, I promised him this information that the State Transportation Innovation Council, US DOT, STIC, it's an STIC incentive program that town can get a grant of up to $100,000 available. And this has to do with eco districts. And I don't know if ET next would qualify as an eco district, but it's very attractive to millennials and you could get up to $100,000. So if he comes to the meeting, I didn't know if somebody could relay that information to him, I promised it to him. I think that would be best, I think that would be best Patty, if you were to send, just send that, provide that to town staff email or whatever and they can make sure that it gets into the same. I thought he was coming tonight. All right. Thank you. Either way, either way. Thanks. I'm actually going to pause right now for a moment and I out of order did not identify the amendments to the agenda this evening. So before we actually move on to out of public comment, I'm going to identify that there were, and I'm not sure why we have in red, we have the discussion in the town capital plan. Is that potentially postponed? We know if Dennis is going to be able to make it. Dennis is going to try to make it. The select board rescheduled the meeting and so he's unfortunate. Well, he's at that board meeting and he'll try to pop in. So item number three is a maybe. Item number three is a maybe and it's in red because we had already sent the agenda off to be warned. So very good. And item number four is being rescheduled to a future date. Correct. And we want to note that the village planning commission has been invited to attend this meeting as well. I think those are the amendments as I saw them. Okay. Any additional commentary? I'm going to move on to item two on the agenda, which is the consent agenda item. I move we approve the consent agenda item report is written with the changes that Sharon just mentioned in the report. Second. We have a motion by shoe, second by Tom. Any additional discussion? All those in favor of the consent agenda as presented this evening signified by saying aye. Any opposed? Motion carries seven zero. Thank you. And to the landowner and applicants, we will be getting a letter mail about to you within the next few days. Given that, have a good evening. Given that we are waiting on a potential for Dennis, we're going to move to agenda item number five, which is a sketch subdivision public hearing from why not? LLC. This is a proposal to subdivide a three acre parcel from a 125 acre parcel located at 39 Essex way. Staff is presenting on this. Desti, I will be presenting on this. This is Darren. Take it away. Okay, let me get the plans up real quick. All right, so this is a parcel at 39 Essex way, which is at the corner of Essex way and the entrance to the links at Lang Farm golf course. I'm going to reorient the plan here to show North as up on the screen. So Essex way comes here, entrance to the golf course is here. Freeman Woods is across the street. This is a parcel known as parcel C within the overall Lang Farm property. And on the locator map here in the corner, I'm going to have to reorient that, sorry, for all the switching. You can see that this is the parcel links at Lang Farm. It's the last parcel that was developed within the Lang Farm master plan and the overall property. And, I'm sorry, I need to correct myself. Freeman Woods was the last to be developed, but there is still an undeveloped portion on the links at Lang Farm. So that is the landing question tonight. Applicants have proposed subdividing a three, roughly three acre parcel out of the vacant plateau to the right as you enter the golf course. This is, staff generally has no issues with this. The plot does not show an easement for access for this new lot, which would be off of a private land on the golf course. So that is required before this reaches final approval. So we've worn this as sketch. We also believe this is considered a major subdivision because it will require the extension of water and sewer services, which is part of the definition of major subdivision, however, given the nature of the application, it may be that you can combine preliminary and final. The other thing we wanna note is that there is additional land that could be developed and I'm gonna switch to a different view here to show more of the aerial view in the satellite photo. So this is the links at Lang Farm. So 125 acre parcel, roughly. And the portion that's going to be developed or subdivided rather is here. And it's just to make a field right now. There is more land that can be developed. Yes. We can't see the aerial view. You're correct. I'm not sharing that. Thank you. Let's try this again. Yep, there we go. Better. Thanks, Tom. So again, links at Lang Farm is this highlighted parcel here. The portion under consideration tonight is this section here and only a portion of it is being subdivided. So we just wanna point out more can be developed in the future up to roughly nine additional acres on this plateau. So we just wanna make sure that the applicant considers future development as this subdivision happens and as any future development happens on the parcel C1, the three acre parcel. And we also wanna point out that any access to these parcels needs to be off the existing access for the golf course. That may require a new public road eventually. It's not required at this stage, but depending on future development, that may be a need. And I just wanna check my notes real quick to make sure I didn't miss anything important. And it may not mention, but there will be a need to add a sewer easement for this parcel as well before it reaches final approval. And Public Works has requested that they provide information on sewer allocation as well, which will be associated with the parcel before it is subdivided. And the applicant provided that and Public Works submitted a memo on Monday, which is in your packets. We didn't include that on the staff report, but they would be looking for, let me get the numbers up here. 2.2 equivalent user units, so 440 gallons per day for lot C1, which leaves 79 equivalent user units or roughly 15,800 gallons per day for the remainder of the parcel. That's all that we have for staff. Thank you, Darren. Commissioners, does anyone have any questions for staff at this point? Hearing none. Doug, am I assuming that you're presenting for this? Yes, sir. You have the floor. Thank you. I would like to point out a couple of, I won't say errors, but inconsistencies in the staff report. The staff report says that this parcel is comprised of a portion of parcel E and parcel B1. That's not the case. It's parcel E actually doesn't, there is no parcel E on the master plan. There's a parcel E1 and a parcel E2, but those are over down in behind the LDS church and the name of the congregate housing, if you will, down towards the countryside boundary. So this is parcel C has never been platted. Parcel C is really just the remainder of the Langfarm. And parcel C1, this is the time to survey C1 and approve it as a separate lot. We do, I have talked to Aaron about the access. We both agree with staff and all the regulations that this parcel will need to access off of the golf course driveway. It's up to the town as to whether that, a portion of that driveway becomes an easement to the town or whether it needs to have a conveyance. The Langs are fine either way. That's a, we're all still there. Yeah, but go ahead. No, I was just gonna ask you if you were done or you get more to go. No, that's, I mean, that's pretty much it. Just, you know, okay, but go ahead, sir. Commissioners, questions for applicant and staff now. Let's go down the line. Ned, what are your thoughts? I don't really see any problems with going ahead and developing this piece of that property. Okay, David. No issues. John Alden. I'm only familiar with it as a somewhat, you know, golfer that it's just kind of an empty parcel waiting for something to happen. So I have no issues with something happening. John Mangan. No, I don't have anything to add. Tom? No issues. Shoe. Did oh, no issues. Diane, since you're here, I'm gonna reach out to you as well. Sounds good to me. Yeah, then let's open up a public hearing on this. And I had a motion to open a public hearing. Move wheel in the public hearing. Second. And then go ahead. Who was the second? Was that David? Sure. All those in favor of the motion? Aye. Aye. Opposed? Public hearing passes or approved seven zero. Public hearing is open. We have anyone that has, would like to ask questions of the planning commission about this application. Take a motion to close the public hearing. I'll move we close the public hearing. Second. Move by David seconded by Ned. All those in favor of closing the public hearing? Aye. Aye. Opposed? Public hearing is closed. I heard no questions on this in any way whatsoever. I did hit a little bit. Dan, if you reference and Doug reference as well the master plan. And I apologize if I didn't notice it in the application, but do we have any reference to updating the master plan on this? As you mentioned, it is a larger parcel that we're talking about. So we mentioned in the staff report that a master plan may be required because the rest of the parcel is large enough to have multiple lots. It's up to the planning commission if you want to require a new master plan for the entire Lang farm. Since this is the last parcel to be developed really, we don't see a need to have the whole property necessarily under a master plan. The last one that was approved basically solidified this area as the golf course and identified that this plateau could be for future development. At that time, it was anticipated to be offices and personal professional services. So we don't see that as inconsistent. You may wish to require just four parcel for the plateau area since it's currently undeveloped completely, but staff does not see a need either way or doesn't have a preference either way. We are not able to locate the latest approved master plan, any sort of actual physical copy of it. Well, I will share what we had before, which was a previous version. And again, it just shows these parcels relative to each other. Parcel C was originally planned for industrial and research development, some residential for parcels E1 and E2 or maybe agricultural and tree nursery. Again, this is all very consistent, so no issues here. Just wanted to make sure that sewer, water and access easements are considered when developing this parcel. There are already some lines out here and just wanna make sure that the applicants think about how to locate those in the future. Same goes for stormwater and parking, although that can be more difficult to do piecemeal when you don't have a whole set of development coming in at once. So we have a master plan. It just, it doesn't provide the detail beyond an initial designation of a space. I mean, that's what I'm reading. I'm so kind of surprised that public works didn't ask for one or an enhancement. Sharon, your hand is up. I just wanted to let you know that we will be expecting a site plan to come in fairly soon. They do have a buyer, I believe it's SS Rescue is looking to relocate there. So you may start seeing some of the elements at that time. And in theory, what's provided now is mostly sufficient in terms of the needs for each of these sites to be developed, not knowing exactly how they're gonna be divided up, but there is water, I mean, water main out there. There's a sewer main out there. It's just a matter of making sure that they connect and the easements line up. And then there is access in theory as long as that easement is provided to these lots or as a public right of way. Mr. Chairman, can I chime in? Yes, Doug, go ahead. Okay, a couple of things. The master plan that Darren put up on the screen is at least reasonably close to the most recent. The issue with it is, as you probably can tell from the cartoonish look of it, it was hand drawn back in 1980, somewhat, and the effort to bring that up to doing the entire Langfarm would be huge. And as far as utilities, as Darren mentioned, there is currently a water line that crosses the corner of this with an easement. The easement exists on the, I'll call it the southwest corner of the plateau, which is closest to the clubhouse. There actually is another, there are easements for water and sanitary sewer lines and the stubs are actually put up onto the plateau. So it would be, it will be very straightforward to make connections for both of those and to reserve the right for future development. And I can show those locations on another map if we wanna take a look at that. Yeah. My only question about the master plan is, I'm curious as to why when Freeman Woods was developed, they didn't do a master plan for the remand or the Langfarm or when the hardware store was approved, why they didn't get the requirement to develop a master plan. It just, it seems a little unfair at this point, but that's just my way of thinking. Commissioners, go ahead, Darren. I can speak to one of those points really quickly. Freeman Woods was required to do a master plan for parcel D, just within parcel D, not for the remainder of the Langfarm. And again, staff is not suggesting that the whole Langfarm needs to have a new master plan at this point. It's pretty much built out except for this area. We're just suggesting, again, maybe there should be some coordination on the plateau itself, whether that's a master plan or as Doug said, reserving easements now or plotting out where they might need to go, but they're already pretty much in place. I'm what I'm hearing in different words and I'm looking for the commissioners to correct me. I'm hearing that the existing master plan essentially is probably adequate for this development given what has already been done and already been built out. Does anybody have, what are the thoughts? I agree. Fine with me. I'm good with it. Okay. So I would say then, I'm not hearing anything contrary to that, so let's go with what we've got. Given the discussions we've had, I was not writing down the changes that Doug you had suggested. Are you requested in the differences in the staff reports? Darren, are you in line with what he had offered as changes? Sure, we can make those changes. They wouldn't be incorporated into a final approval anyway because they're just in the background, so we'll have to make sure that everything is accurate for the next preliminary or final report just that the background is correct. So if they're not correct, then we need to strike them from this. I mean, I don't want to have even a sketch approval that has incorrect information. That's kind of where I just want to be sure if we were on an agreement with the changes requested. Sure. Yeah, we can do that. Sharon has her hand up. Sharon, please. So I've lost my thought, I'm sorry. That is not just me. So I believe the changes were about references to parcel E and Doug, there might have been one more, but I know I'm also losing my train of thought. Let's be contagious. No, it's, it just is that it should say it's a part of parcel C. It shouldn't reference any of the other parcels that show up on that master plan. It's strictly a portion of parcel C. Okay, I have a new thought. For the purposes of this meeting, if we don't have it specifically, you can just strike the background. That's really information just for you guys before you get into the findings and conditions, which are what will make it into an approval letter. Just a thought. I'm hearing something different right now. Doug, is this in the, is your language that you want corrected in the proposal or in the background? It's in the background. It is in the background. I'm moving. Property and all encompasses parcel E plan for residential and portion. Is that I'm looking for line 29, 29, 29, 27, through 30. Okay. Yes. Well, for Sharon's suggestion, would it be adequate to the commission to strike the background on this or a sketch? What does the staff feel about this? What does the commission feel about it? It's easy enough at this point. You can come back later. Darren. No objections. Okay. Aviso, you've been quiet. You're still quiet. You can see what people are forgetting because of why. If it's only that second paragraph, Dusty, you can just strike the second paragraph. Is there also, I'm looking on page two of five, article two of the subdivision, and there's a little piece in there. This property constitutes parcel C in abortion and B. Yeah. Line 62. You're right, John. So we should say that just read parcel C. Yes. So let's be more specific and let's not strike the chapters in the section. So up in the background section, we are looking at proposal includes lands labeled on the 1985 master subdivision plan as partial C. Put a period there and strike through line 30 ending in open space areas. That work. So you want to change the parcel E on line 29 to parcel C? I was actually just going to strike that sentence and just said the current proposal involves lands labeled as parcel C. The undeveloped plateau currently under review was used to deposit fill excavated from the construction of the cert highway. Perfect. That would be my suggestion for whoever makes the motion. And then we fix the line, what was it? 40. 62. 62, yeah. So it will say this property constitutes parcel C. Yes. Thank you. Can I say a portion of parcel C? If that's true, then yeah, let's put it in. And just to clarify the entire links at laying farm property, 39 Essex way, in my mind was parcel C. The issue, the proposal in question, parcel C one as proposed is only a portion of that. So I'm fine with this language. We can always tweak it, but I don't want to have wrong stuff. Okay. How about the rest of it? Is everybody? Okay, the rest of it. All right. Who would like to make motion? John Alden. That's how smooth that was. Watch me right on the spot there. What a segue. Yeah. I make a motion that we accept the sketch plan as amended. We have a second. Second. Moved by John Alden, seconded by Tom. We have any discussion? All those in favor, signify by saying aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion carries seven zero. Schedule. Thanks for your time. That was smooth. And John, just for the record, that was a Mr. Villamere approach. I shoot what that means, but. No, I recognize it immediately, Dustin. It's a heart. At least there was no ruler and there was no stapler involved. Nope. Sounds like you guys are aging yourself. Yeah. Well, hey. The lucky ones can. The lucky ones can. All right. We have on the next on the agenda is, before we go to the next, any word from Dennis? Darren? Nope. I'm in the participant list. He said he jumped on. Okay. So we're looking for the minutes from January 14th. So moved. Second by David, seconded by Tom. Yep. Okay. We have, hang on a second. Do we have anyone that would like to offer any corrections to any portion of those minutes? Hearing none, all those in favor? Aye. Aye. Opposed? And it's carry seven, zero. That's a good way to do them. Other business. We have any staff, you're on. None from me. We, so this is your chance. You always have something for us. Okay, nine. Diane, thanks for coming. Wasn't it super exciting tonight, but it was good to have you here. No, it doesn't stand up. I appreciate you were available. Ned, what you got? I was just going to ask where we stand about getting together with the select board about the town center plan. We're likely going to be confirmed for February 25th, the date that you requested or the date that you all said that, wait, did you all say that you were available or that may be the first date that the select board is available? Yeah, we penciled them in hopefully for the 25th and we haven't heard anything different yet. Thank you. Thank you. All right, with that in mind, I would take a motion. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. My hand is up. John, you're up, you're up, go ahead, sorry. This, on behalf of the village planning commission, I just want to note that we are embarking on the latest round of updates to our land development code. And as such, we may be talking to some or all of you about comments and items of mutual interest, including the planning staff. So I think we have until November or something to get it taken care of, but we're trying to invite people to come talk to us as a commission. So, thank you. And I just see a word that Dennis is here. Dennis, good evening, welcome. Thank you. You have the floor, you got, you were all ears. Oh, great. This is difficult to do. Usually I've met with you and it's been easier to kind of sit around the table and talk about projects in the capital plan. You've got basically a huge document and the board is going to review it again and approve it come this next Monday night. It's a document that I think Sarah and I both want to improve on for next year, make it a little bit easier to read and put it in a different format. But essentially, we have taken the two cents on the capital tax, which this year in the budget we show as being about 538,580 dollars. And essentially between staff and Evan and Sarah, we've tried to allocate that between the active projects that we have. The actual expenditure that we're talking about this year shows an expenditure of 1.4 million, 1.479,856 dollars. So how do we make up that difference? Well, we make up that difference through a whole bunch of sources. We have developer impact fees, which we collect over time. I didn't count up all the accounts we have, which is one of the problems in terms of running this thing, but there's probably 60 or 70 or 88 different accounts that have been set up. Some around grants, some around development impact fees. And so, and we also do a transfer from the operating fund. I think most of you, we've done this enough times, most of you know that the capital equipment, we budget yearly in the operating account and amount. In the case of public works, just because I'm familiar with the number, it's $190,000. That then goes into the capital account under our equipment. And then we purchase our equipment out of the capital account. And what that allows us to do is not to come back in the operating account, the year that we have a road grader to buy it, you know, $240,000. And another year when all we need is a pickup at 35 and the operating budget swings between wide extreme. So what allows us to balance out our expenses in the operating budget to keep things relatively flat there, although it does increase from year to year in terms of equipment and other things, and then make our purchases out of the capital account. So for example, this year in equipment in the capital account from the two cents, there's $55,080 going in from the two cents, but between either grants or funds that we've collected and taken from the operating account and put into that, that there's another $433,000 including everything, fire department, public works, parks and rec, all that comes under the equipment account. So that the actual amount for total for equipment, and there's some other miscellaneous small things is ends up being about $448,000 or something like that going in from equipment. So that's a quick and dirty explanation. Most of the information that's financial information is on that one sheet that, and I don't know the number of the order of which Sarah gave you because I'm working off a hard copy and I know she sent you the digital copy, but it's that horizontal sheet that shows the various categories and where the money goes. That's kind of the easiest place to look as to what's going on. I can share that with everyone if you wanna point me to the right page or on page two. I think we're on page two, Darren, try that one. Let's see if that's it. That's it. Sorry, it's, yep, great. Yeah, sorry. No, it's not. It's not page two. It's a smaller page. Don't go away, because let's go back to these. This is in the very beginning of it and it's not the summary of what we've got, but it's actually listing each and every project. And if you go down, you'll see, and I'm just looking at what page we're on, for example, now, why don't we go back to the first page which I think is the building's page. Go back up to, just so everybody's familiar with it. And we can take something as simple as, let's take Memorial Hall. We identified that what we'd like to do to the building is to actually create more space in the building, ultimately, and this estimate's a few years older, but it showed an estimate of about $377,000. We've got a balance in that account of $12,780. Coming forward, though, if you want to keep scrolling to the right there, we're not going to take, we're not going to put any money from the two cents. If you go over and you look at the FY22 additions, capital tax at the top, you'll see we're not putting any money into Memorial Hall. We do intend, if we can do it, and if you look over to the left, on the very far left in that same column where we had the explanation, you've gone to the far left, there we go. So we're not asking for any new money, but we're looking to the front stoop on Memorial Hall. When you come out of Memorial Hall, you drop down about six inches. It's not exactly the safest access to that building. There is a handicapped access in the back, but a lot of the patrons are older. And what we would like to be able to do is replace that whole front concrete step down walkway going up with a much safer one that comes out at a level with the front door and probably make it wider so that there's more ability for people to essentially hang outside if it's nice weather. So we budgeted $8,000 for that, or at least indicated that's what we'd like to do. We have $12,781 in the account, so obviously we would spend that out of that $12,781 and would not have to ask for more money to do that this year. So that's essentially, if you go through all these projects, that's essentially how the system works. And if you go down through all the projects, we know those are all the buildings and building related projects. For now, there's things we'd love to do with the tree farm for the future that might involve both the town and the village, but that is not included in any major expenditure this year. But the large storage building that we all use out there to store everything from equipment to records needs a new roof on it and new paint. Now it may be an overall inner roof or it may be a whole new roof. So we budgeted some money out of the two cents, third column over $20,000 to try to keep those buildings in reasonable good condition. In the town's operating budget, we've increased our repairs and maintenance buildings money this year and we've tried to put some money into the capital fund where we can so that we can start to catch up with all the building maintenance that needs to be done. I could go on forever, I don't intend to. I guess the question at this point would be how much do you want me to go into and kind of what projects you're interested in. We can maybe go to the page that covers that and we can talk about it. Does anyone have anything specific they want to call out? I think, Dennis, especially if there's anything that might hit around the town center areas or any of the big developments that we know they're on the event horizon. Yeah, there's another whole piece of this. This one, let me, I'm gonna start on route 15 just so you know, go to the road reconstruction. You've got to blow it up a little bit because my eyesight is terrible and I'm looking right at the screen here. One of the projects- Is that under highway? Highway. I think it's back to page. Page two. Yep, if we go down through there and you can see there's a project, third one down designated funds for month 15, Allen Martin Drive. You guys are involved with a lot of development and approvals that go in on Saxon Hill. We are going to expend some money this year at that intersection. That money, you'd have to search through this document but it's there. There's about 90 some thousand dollars in developer impact fees in that account, maybe closer to a hundred. Anyway, we're gonna use probably 50 to $60,000 in that money that I was working on the bid documents today to put out to essentially improve that intersection. The state came at us a couple of years ago and wanted to look at some future data, signal maybe needed there, but in the interim, there is some safety work that needs to be done to make that a safe returning movement for everyone. Some of it involves where you put the island, what's the island made out of? Is it gonna be something that trucks can roll over meaning some sloped curbing, granite curbing? We're gonna improve some drainage up there and so we're gonna use those developer impact fees to essentially build that project. So there won't be any impact on the town's tax base but it gets a needed improvement in which should serve that intersection. We're probably talking 15 years out to meet the signal warrants. So we're trying to kind of bridge that timeframe by making improvements we can. So that's one that's there. Moving close, the other piece of this that doesn't show up in the two cents because it's the water sewer fund. It's sewer water and sewer rates. We also collect connection fees from new users that connect on. And we also have fees within the actual rate for repair systems. And those accounts right now are fairly substantial and we're gonna be using those. We've used those monies in a couple of places already. When we installed a new water line over at the fort to increase the flow and pressure in the area excuse me, Wilson Road, that's all done. What we're doing now is we've got a design engineer working on the water line up in the town center area. The CWD is gonna go to construction this summer on their pump station over by the village water tank going up Route 15. That will provide a second source of water feed into the town. So then instead of just coming from the river roadside all the way up. And if we had a problem down there of CWD had a problem we would be in rough shape because that's our only single point of feed leaving that pump stations. No other pump station serves both Essex and going up into Jericho. So with this second pump station they will be starting this summer probably go through the following year for construction. That will improve the flow from that area town. They're gonna connect into some water lines that are up in the Lang Farm that will then connect in through the town center. And we hope that shortly after that or concurrent with that we'll be putting a water line along Route 15 from essentially Billy Butler Drive down to Essex Way a new 12 inch line. That will when we've talked about that in the ETC plan that we're going forward with. We are also having a Hamlin engineering in the village is looking at our sewer system so that you can see in the plan in the back you can see it's approximate but you can see the green and the yellow line where CWD is gonna connect into lines going through the Lang Farm. And then that orange portion is the portion the town's gonna build. We toyed with going through a grant from the state but actually it's a loan. It would require a vote of the voters and with the merger vote and other things we decided to postpone that for a year. We don't really need the loan we have enough money in the bank from impact fees and other fees to pay for this line. However, the state of Vermont is giving through their loan, Revolving Loan Fund they're actually providing forgiveness of loans up to 75% of some of the funds up to I think a million dollars which is a substantial repay. And if we went for that program it would really benefit all of us would save that money for future projects. The problem is you need a municipal bond vote and that's very hard to explain to people that we have funds set aside for this but we wanna go for a loan. And with the loan there's forgiveness and with the forgiveness the town gets money back and it's gonna be difficult to explain and I think that with the merger vote or other things that this year's ballot the time just wasn't right. So we're working on the design we hope that will go forward and be ready to go. Probably in well it won't be this summer and may not be next summer but the following year will be ready to go. We're also looking you can leave that map up because it's a good one to look at. We have a pump station that's across in the internet six right down in the middle of that large yellow area there right about there. That pump station is near capacity from what's going on in the town center. And we have a couple of choices and Hamlin is looking at that study right now. If we either have to totally upgrade that pump station and we can't use the pumps that reach the maximum capacity we've changed them powers through then everything we can it would almost have to be a whole new pump station at that location which would then carry the sewage underneath the Cirque back up to Route 15 to Heritage from Heritage all the way over to the Heritage or State's pump station here all the way over to the town center to the one at Alder Lane all the way down Sandhill Road to Alder Brook which then pumps it into the village. And so an alternative would be to pump that instead of going that direction we might put a new pump station as shown on the other side of the town center disconnect that line take the existing flow and any flow from across the street and put that force main into the line that goes up on Essex Way and heads north if you will towards Heritage States take the existing flow from the in from the golf course from the housing to the south woodlands that whole area the retirement community there and take that south and put it into the village pipes from that direction. There's some costs involved with doing that but the nice thing about doing that is we would not have to upgrade at all the lane farm pump station and ultimately we wouldn't have to touch Heritage or Alder Lane because if we continue to pump all of that sewage all the way around the town those two pump stations are gonna have to be upgraded as well. So by adding one new pump station and redoing some new piping we can probably save the cost significant dollars in the millions over the course of the project. So we're having him on look at that we're looking at the pipes in the village we're looking at can the village pipes take that additional flow what is the flow what is the cost benefit and hopefully by spring we'll have answers and then if that's viable we'll then proceed with that as a potential project to figure out how we're gonna get the money to put that pump station in and is there enough money in the in the accounts from the capital accounts already to pay for that. The other thing would be is new development moves into the town center and have to pay new hook on fees especially in the north side that would help fund the cost of that pump station through their impact fees. So it's all viable. We just have to figure out how to do it. Let's see what else we have out there that you need to know about that's critical. Not in the capital plan but I think you probably are aware Oisa and I put together a UPWP plan to go to the regional planning commission which is going in to look at route 15 to see if there's if we can reduce speed see what we can do to the limit of what the state will allow us to do on route 15 to make it more pedestrian friendly the crossing safer, lighting, paths all the rest of stuff that would go they're kind of the component parts of the town center that would come under the what I would call the route 15 corridor as opposed to the property and the zoning itself. And so we wanna look at that and see where that goes have a third party look at those and see how far we can get with it. That's kind of it in a nutshell for route 15 and I can take a buffing in. Oh, the other one, the route 15 the state is gonna be putting in. I don't know if they're gonna make this summer with COVID but it will probably, it should be by 2022 the traffic signal at Sand Hill Road in route 15. Dennis is there anything that we haven't necessarily hit on that you would like us as a planning commission to be aware of that may not be at 15 and whatever but anything that we can have a greater awareness or an applications or anything like that. Yeah, I think that we've gone through great kudos to Anne Christy-Andy and Chelsea Mandigo in the village we've made significant progress on our stormwater permit that was issued about five years ago for flow restoration we've got one more project to build that's the one that's located at the LDS church where they've agreed to donate the property and we're gonna be taking care of stormwater from the end and from the rest of the line farm on that property which will basically make us in compliance with that earlier permit. What it doesn't do is anything for phosphorus. So we've got a phosphorus study going on right now that's a joint study village in town to look at what we have to do in the future and the issue that I have right now is the last flow restoration project at the LDS church is enormously expensive. We've got about enough, when we started out it was about a $1.4 million project we had grants to cover a lot of that with everything that's changed and we're trying to remove phosphorus there as well as reduced fall that cost is now up close to 1.9 million. So we're short. And we've got two or three years before we're gonna build it but essentially once we build that project our stormwater account is broke. And so at some point we're gonna have to figure out where we come up with additional funds. Stormwater is joint between the town and the village. We've worked collectively on that. We haven't, we're trying to do projects in both communities but this is the last one that needs to be built to get rid of the flow restoration problem in a permit. But then we have to tackle phosphorus. And that's my biggest concern is how do we fund that in the future? And it's probably gonna be retrofit of a lot of existing development ponds that were built 20 years ago. It's gonna be a lot of work on the gravel roads. It's gonna be probably changes to new development. Obviously whatever goes in the town center, in my view that stormwater has to go underground. Either in storage to be released over time but it can't be in something like an open pond for two reasons. The property is too valuable, number one. But two, we need to reduce the phosphorus load. So it's gonna be up to the new developers to come in. In their plans you're gonna be finding we're gonna be making comments on those reviews asking what system are you installing that's gonna help reduce phosphorus and provide the numbers to us so we can get credit when you build that against our permits so that we're not asking the existing taxpayers to foot that whole bill of phosphorus removal. New developers have to pay their share as well. And we'll be working with Darren and Oisa and Sharon to try to figure out what do we have to change in some of our regulations and standards so that it's real clear what they have to come in and do to get approval. We don't want any surprises for them or for us. That's the biggie in my view. Thank you. I'm gonna appeal away for a second. Ned, your hand is raised. Do you have a question? No, I didn't. Okay. Darren, Sharon, Oiso, do you have anything you wanna add to this? Staff, commissioners, do you have any questions for Dennis at this point? I just have a question about West Sleepy Hollow. Is that a, is part of that public or not? I thought that was all private road. Part of it is gonna be public, the first 400 feet. As part of the approval process by the Planning Commission, funds were required of some of the latest people to build up there that went towards paving the road. We redesigned the lower portion that didn't get us as far as we wanted, holding off doing any more till we maybe get some additional funds. We also put a stormwater grant in up there because it's one of those areas that's required under our phosphorus permit to improve the drainage. So we used the grant because under our stormwater permit, even though it's a class four road, we've agreed to meet the standards for drainage and for erosion. And there's a section out there that was identified as needing it. So it was legitimate use of the grants even though it's not a class three road and taxpayer money to go into it. So we did that. The lower portion, it's taken us almost two years now because the state has a rather much more complicated process and we missed the timeframe last year to get it accepted as a class three town road. So you're absolutely correct. The first four to 500 feet, I think after the 28th of February or whatever the magic gate is for the second select board meeting, if they passed the road certification, that would become a class three town highway. Beyond that, it will remain a class four town highway. And so all of that, all the rest of it is still in some kind of a shared road agreement. Yeah, we've never, that seems to be a continuing source of interest between the highway association up there in the town, but we've tried to work with them. And I think that there's probably better relations now. I think they understand that, we aren't just ignoring up there, we're putting money into their roadway, whether it be by grants or in this case, through developer impact fees. And so I'm hoping that that maybe bridges some of the gaps that we've had in the past where there's been some some difficulties with the local neighbors. Let's put it that way. Yeah. Okay, great. Thanks, Dez. Yep. Anybody else? David, Ned, John, John, John, Ned, Tom. Ronnie, Bobby, Rick, Mike. Darren, hand is up. Darren. Dennis, while we have you, a couple of years ago, there were some studies, scoping studies done for multi-use paths along Route 15, one on Pearl Street, coming from West Street into the Susie Wilson, essentially. The other from Athens Drive up to 289. I was wondering if you could speak to the status of those. I know they were pretty far out in terms of actually being done, but what's going on with the Susie Wilson corridor and what might be available for the next steps in the future? Okay. Let me do the other one first. Let me do the Athens Drive to the Sherk Highway one. Lisa and I had a discussion about that. There is a grant program for doing pedestrian paths. We are out straight. I can't tell you how many stormwater grants we're managing in addition to the big one. And with COVID, it's just reached the point we could not put a package together this year. But my recommendation, my plan is next year, when the grant opportunity comes up, I would like to have the talent to put a grant application in for the first portion of that path, starting in Athens Drive and heading up to the new development on the right that used to be Colbert's Land. I don't remember the name of the street there now. It's been shaved five times before it finalized. I think it's stream side right now. Okay, whatever. I know that's through Ledge and I know it's expensive, but I think with all these paths, they're so bloody expensive. The only way we're ever gonna pick off and do those is if we pick them off in pieces. And so my recommendation would be, we can go in for a grant for the whole thing, but it's not likely we're gonna get it. So I think within that grant, we package it that pay state of Vermont, if you're not gonna give us the full money for the project, fund the first portion because it's contiguous with the village streets that gets us partway up there. Maybe it'll take us 10 years to build the whole thing but eventually we'll get there. And we also held off this year because with the work we've done on towers and pinecrests, we've depleted our capital fund and paths. That's being built up. I think, I know there'll be enough money next year to match that first phase of the Route 15 path. I'd love to see that go. So that's one we're gonna shoot for. I can't say we've had a lot of help from the Regional Planning Commission. I'm not knocking them, it's just the nature of the beast. I've been after them for a long time to figure out how we get projects from scoping to construction. State has been trying to develop a new priority list. CCRPC is trying to mirror that. It's taken too bloody long. So one of the things that my suggestion is we go after this grant next year and just force the issue. We have a scoping project that's approved. We want grant money to build it. We're forcing the issue. Put us on a project list to go to design and construction. So if we don't get an answer before, then this will force it. The other one, by next, I don't know if it's gonna start this summer, it might. The state is building the multi-use path, going from essentially Fannie Allen, all the way up to Susie Wilson Road. It'll go down the south side until it crosses at the National Guard entrance approximately. Then I'm gonna go on the north side of Route 15 and it'll connect into our sidewalks and stuff along Susie Wilson Road. So that's a welcome addition. We will, Colchester will pick up the maintenance of their part up to the first gate of the fort. We'll pick up the maintenance of that winter maintenance and stuff from Susie Wilson to the west gate of the fort. The other portion from the village I can't speak to, I don't think there's any action yet on the portion from West Street to Susie Wilson. I'd like to see that push, but some of that's also in the hands of the village that's pushed, but that's an important link that we'd like to see done as well. I think that one, we actually have to pry the CCRPC off the priority list to get anything done on that one. It's pretty, you can't do that in pieces. If you're gonna do it, you're gonna do the whole thing and you're gonna do nothing, one or the other. The other one where we don't have a sidewalk on the other side of Route 15, heading up towards the town center, you can do in pieces, that makes sense. And then the last project out there is the state is behind the game, but they're supposed to be doing the study, looking at the Susie Wilson Road intersection. We put a lot of money into those signals last year, mostly impact fees with some money from Fennard and Company when Starbucks went in and we've done some, those are state-of-the-art signals. They seem to be working fine to handle the traffic load we've got today. I can't say the same is gonna be five years from now. So we're looking for the state to make the improvements to the intersection that they promised, which is maybe not gonna look pretty, but will be more functional. Essentially be two lanes, four lanes on Susie Wilson, two turning left in the village, two turning right to go into Burlington. And you need that because in the morning, the intersection works fine in the afternoon or breaks down because there's not enough turning movements for the left turn. And there's almost no way to fix it other than adding capacity. It's gonna make a bigger intersection. It's not gonna look as nice maybe, but at some point function has to take over. And so the state's behind in that design, it's totally in their hands. We have no control over the timing of that. Thanks, that's a good update. Appreciate it. Yep. Commissioners, any, go ahead. I was also just going to say that as we're sorting through the zoning and looking at literally like the physical fabric of the town, we'll be able to prioritize projects better. And as we bring these things up as critical sections in the town plan in our zoning process and wherever, we actually have a little bit more meat and a little bit more teeth for getting grants for these things because they've been part of the public process. Dusty, I see a hand up on Patty, it looks like. Patty Davis. Patty, go ahead. Are you sure? I don't want to do when it's public not to be heard. If you guys need any help researching for grants, I mean, I'm just a citizen that lives here, but I would be more than happy to just give you guys some, my background is research and development and ophthalmology, pigmentary dispersion glaucoma, which has nothing to do with the paths, bike paths and innovative council culture that we're trying to build with the ETC, but all the streets and paths that you're talking about, maybe we could group them all together. I know you're gonna wait till next year, Dennis, but I just want to, when you were saying Dennis, if we get something to start, then it's easier. What I find a little funny is my husband will run a 10 mile run from our house, go down Allen Martin Parkway, both sides of Allen Martin are not even plowed and it's a business district. There's all these businesses, there's pedestrians, people walking, their dog is biking and the little tiny paths aren't even plowed, but yet we have a crosswalk with a yellow blinking light in two spots on Allen Martin. And it's just, you got a lot on your plate and I just want to offer, I have been researching different grants and it doesn't sound like this year is the time for paths, but in our section of town, we'd really love Allen Martin to have a bike path right along the whole length so that the crosswalks you already have with the yellow blinking lights have some place to go to because people can't even walk their dogs right now, it's not even that sidewalk all along, Allen Martin's not even plowed. I didn't know if you knew that, but. So let's Patty, let's. That's all I want to say. Okay, thanks, that's a little kind of out of scope for the capital discussion that we're having. Well, I do want to mention, because it is important that there was a bike path had planning document that was done about five or six years ago, that's on file with the town and identified the priorities for paths. The problem is that there's two problems, there is not a lot of grant money and to have that grant, you've got to have the matches. And so we don't have enough match money being put aside in the capital plan right now to do that. So there's a problem with match money. The other problem with grants, and I'm going to be pretty blunt about this, and I'm not, you get the grant, but you've got to manage the grant and you've got to have people to manage the grant. I've only got, I don't have a staff out there of a bunch of people managing grants for us. And so every grant we get, you've got to be able to manage, you've got to be able to follow all the rules, you know, getting trouble. You've got to bid it a certain way, you've got to hire a consultant a certain way and all those things take time. And so we've got a ton of grants, and that's one of the reasons why we didn't do the grant this year is we're up to a neck in managing the grants we've got. And so we've got to balance that off with, who's going to manage the grants and they have to be someone within staff to make it legal, quite honest, you can't be outside. And the other piece of that is that we need to make sure that there's enough money being put into the accounts. You know, I think down the road, we've got to have to look at how we, how we bolster the capital fund. And that capital fund, if we merge, is going to be a discussion with the village of how we combine our efforts so that we're working all in the same direction. And that's the bottom line, we need to do that. And so where's the money going to come from and who's going to do it? And then I think, and you follow to me the priorities that have been set. Now that, I understand the area you're talking about, I'd love to do that one. I go by that area a lot, I'd love to do that one. But in my view, the path going up Route 15 from the village to the town center, when I see moms in the spring with baby carriages walking along the side of the road, to me that needs to be fixed. And that's a higher priority than runners running in the, and don't get me wrong, in Saxon Hill, I just, it is. And so we've got to, we have to go back to those lists and say, are those lists still valid? And if they're valid, let's go after and get them built before we go down and start building other ones, or again, higher capital tax or bond. To look community bond and say, we're going to put $2 million in our new locks. I mean, there's a lot of ways to do it, but we need both. We need the funding, we need the people to manage it, and we need the grants. So I'm with you, Patty, if we can find grants, I'd love to, but we also got to manage them. Thank you. Well, I appreciate the education. All right, just to roll this back. If Dennis, if there's nothing, if there's no other specific things that you'd like to call out for us and go back to the commissions, anybody have any additional questions for Dennis at this point? I'm good, the great presentation as always. I think that it's good to be aware of what's going on. I appreciate it and the opportunity. Any of us are open, whether it's Oisa, or Darren, or myself, or Sharon, or anybody. Aaron, if someone has a good idea that says, you know, I've looked through the capital plan, what is something the town really needs and it's just not there. You know, we think of a lot of things, but we can't think of everything. So the more, and if you guys come across stuff in terms of your deliberations in the planning commission, that you say, you know, there's a hole here. We need to know that on our end because we might have a way to fix it. But it's two ways. I looked at you guys to give us help as well as we'll help you in any way we can and try to explain if we have projects that are going on, you know, what we need and why we need it. I think that's helpful for us, Dennis, when we start talking about either some of the bigger development projects or some of the future planning. I mean, obviously when we do planning, sometimes we're going beyond capacity, but you know, planning has to be, planning drives development and what capacity might limit it, but that's why this communication between us is very important and very good and very appreciated. Thanks again. Thank you, Dennis. Thanks, Dennis. Thanks, Dennis. Double duty, thank you. Thanks. All right. Unless there's anything else at this point. Luiso, after that, anything that you want to share with us? Nothing, nothing to help. Then I would look for a motion to adjourn. I move we adjourn. I'll second. Who was that, John, Mangan? Yeah, it's you. It's second. Okay, you gotta, these voices are getting, all those in favor. All right, we are adjourned. Thank you, everyone.