 I'm gonna record and I'm gonna go back to sharing so and we should all should be well so now I'm yeah for some reason I'm blind again okay and so so we're recording so good morning good morning everyone okay so this is I pledge your healthcare specialist group thanks for joining us we're having some fun earlier chatting and I lost track of time so there you go so as I was saying before to a couple of folks for some reason the last few iterations of zoom on my machine if I share my screen I just don't my participant list it shows me eight participants but it doesn't enumerate them and so so I'm blind otherwise so Erica is gonna help me out when we do introductions just so that I have a sense for who's who's on the call and we can make introductions and it's always nice to hear regulars on the call which is always great but anyway before we get started as always I do want to mention that we are recording this and as a result we do also want everyone be aware of our antitrust policy so on the screen which I'm sharing you should see the the notice please feel free to do a read-through on that there's a URL for details on the antitrust policy in short what it means is please don't share any kind of IP or any secrets this is a public place it's open source open community meeting and the URL gives you some additional details and of course in short it just means be a good person that said let's go through introductions and this is this is part of our well where I will ask Erica to give me a hand since normally I can see everybody on the call I see I just see 10 participants on the call so so what I'll ask is if there's anyone new on the call new to the organization that would like to interest themselves this would be a great opportunity to do so tell us a little bit about who you are where you're from and you're interested in using hyperlitra tech blockchain technologies in the health care space and so I'll hand over to Erica if you happen to see anybody that might be maybe new on the call yeah thanks I see a few regulars I we have a Camlash on the call oh yeah we know Camlash good morning Camlash good afternoon actually good evening I should say yeah and then we have Tariq okay Tariq I think was is new hello Tariq oh how are you good you want to give us a little bit of a introduction about yourself sure yeah I'm a finance student from McMaster University I'm really interested in blockchain technology and its integration in health care I'm really interested in kind kind of getting to know how I can contribute to this project and be basically make sure that everything is as efficient as possible when it comes to product management and as much as much as possible when it comes to blockchain and yeah this is just a learning opportunity for me and it's just another opportunity for me to kind of expand my my my skills in regards to blockchain technology and and yeah Oh excellent I think we may have met through the Hyperledger Chat channel yeah we have excellent yeah oh good great to have you on the call great to have you here for a first time what I'll what I'll do is just as a reminder and this is true for anyone and we'll get through the rest of the list in just a short order here I have a couple things for mostly for new folks but then again for folks that are that haven't maybe participated quite yet we do keep a membership directory here on the URL if you look at it here and it's membership directory this is part of our wiki and this is a great opportunity just to get to oh Tariqa's there already excellent good for you Tariqa so that's really what this is for is so folks can connect one on one and it's sort of meeting great opportunity so and then as well we have an FAQ for the special interest group here and so feel free to read through that and of course if you ever have questions and I think Tariqa's already learned this you can go to our chat channel and and contact either myself or anyone on the on that channel directly if you have any questions or thoughts and it's a great opportunity to get involved we'll be walking through shortly our subgroup updates we have three separate subgroups and that's really kind of boots on the ground where the work really gets done for the special interest group and so we'll talk more about that momentarily anyone else on the call that wants to introduce themselves that that's maybe new or newer to the to the special interest group okay so sorry okay can you just kind of maybe if you can and again I'm sort of blind on participants can you just sort of read through the list I'd like just to just to say hello to everybody absolutely and we have Mike McCoy hi Mike yeah we saw Mike earlier good morning to you we have our V's Kamalaj Tariq Jeff Stolman Dr. Holt Krumareval and that sounds like a new person could we maybe get an introduction for that person maybe yeah I joined a few meetings I believe let me introduce myself so I'm exploring for some time so just wanted to see like you know how in that section you know the blockchain is great so this would be a you know kind of oh great just get to know yeah more about how this is you know oh excellent well great great to have you and what's your name again please this is Krumareval okay well very good great to have you thanks for joining us on the call really appreciate it where are you calling from I'm from India oh okay well good evening to you then I think yeah oh very good great to have you on the call fantastic thank you thank you thank you and then we have John Hatchel and I think that is it oh okay well well good morning to everyone and again I feel terrible this is the second second time around where my my zoom version just makes me blind when I'm sharing my screen so I just can't see anybody okay so let's move along if anyone has any announcements that they'd like to make regarding some of the work that they're doing in in the healthcare space as it relates to blockchain technologies I'd be happy to use this time to sort of share that information nothing going on okay so let's move forward to our subgroups update then and again as I said really subgroups are kind of boots on the ground that's this is where a lot of our work gets done and I I believe I don't know is Dennis on the call yet do we know or anyone that's that will be representing the patient subgroup this morning okay so so I did get an email from Dennis this morning I he's planning to be on the call but I could talk a little bit about some of the work that they're doing and just as a backgrounder Dennis is a he's based at a Switzerland he's his background is in pharma he's been consulting with quite a number of large pharma organizations over the years great guy to work with he's been running the patient subgroup for about a year or so he's got a great team working with him they have developed a e-consent solution and they're using both fabric hyperledger fabric and hyperledger sawtooth as their solution it has gotten to a point prove a concept it's very successful they're actually looking to find a way to perhaps shop that around at a more commercial level and so if anyone has an interest in the patient subgroup we're really the focus is at the patient level and in this particular case the use case that they're following up on its e-consent in the pharmacological space this is really the place to be it's it's a great subgroup very very active and if we can get Dennis on the call I'm hoping he'll show up a little bit later this morning we'll have him provide an update just to supplement that they as as is the case for most subgroups subgroups tend to meet every two weeks so every other week and and they're typically an hour and the links that you could sort of see up on the screen here we'll take us to the individual subgroup and give you details about contact information and and when and where those meetings happen okay let's move ahead to the pair subgroup Ravish Thanks for the opportunity pair subgroup we are just to quickly you know give a overview of we are more focused on from pair industry standpoint it does include you know pair provider obviously you know pharmacy so on and so forth we are we have already started working on a POC around the modernization of pharmacy management or more focusing on how to reduce the fraud bringing the flexibility for the consumer and obviously leading to a much better secure we know there is there every other day there are new rules coming out of related to consent so you know all that is big into that POC we just started the lab got approved I think couple a couple week back and we are right now in detailing the use cases and and accordingly working through the POC I also feel that it's this is the right time for anyone who wants to jump in and start exploring we are going to be building kind of a full-fledged application to demonstrate the usage of the framework so a lot of opportunity to contribute in the pairs of group at this time. Excellent and and I'm just going to bring up we have we now maintain on the hyperledger site webinars and I just wanted to call out the fact that Ravish gave a presentation last I would just say last session I think it was on some of the work that he and his team are doing so if anyone wants to sort of to watch that this is this is a great opportunity to do so so thanks thanks Ravish appreciate it. Thank you and you want to give it a little bit of an update as to when you meet and how often yes yes so we meet every other Fridays it's not this Friday it's going to be next Friday the next meeting is next Friday 1 p.m. EST Eastern time we are exploring to reschedule because there are some folks who join outside US so just optimizing the time but currently no plans to change still 1 p.m EST every other Friday not not the Friday when we have this general meeting it's the the next Friday and on so opposite yeah so I put basically opposite the general meetings yes yeah excellent very good thank you perfect okay for the healthcare interoperately subgroup Steven Elliott leads that generally speaking and correct me if I'm wrong Erica but I don't think Stevens on the call this morning he has he has a conflict with this meeting time so I'll give you a little bit of an update on what's going on there they have their subgroup meetings on Monday mornings the the most recent meeting I think was pushed I think until either next week or the week after they had to do a reschedule but basically the healthcare interoperate subgroup or his strangely enough is focused on semantic issues with interoperability and and Steven is developing a use case sort of a bottom-up use case which allows allows groups to make use of a hyperledger fabric solution for the sake of interoperability and the interoperability is less intact and more semantic so you can imagine some of the interesting use cases that come out of that I think if I remember correctly they were looking at oh gosh I think it's vaccinations I was was the use case that they were looking at for their first product POC so he's he's in the process of putting the putting together a subgroup I think the subgroup is maybe just about a half a dozen people maybe a couple folks fewer than that and so he's looking to spin that up and and start developing this sometime very soon so if you have an interest in interoperability and again this is more semantic interoperability and maybe less than tactic this would be a really interesting subgroup Steven's got a great background in in the healthcare space his focus is mostly technology and so if you have an interest in you know sort of a deeper understanding of using blockchain technologies to solve interoperability issues this is a great subgroup to be working in okay that said we'll move forward to our ad hoc teams we we have a couple ad hoc teams the way that the teams work is they generally focus on very specific issues maybe tend to be a little bit more sort of temporally sort of box time box that said we always have I always joke we we always have an interest in redesigning our wiki this if for those of you that probably are aware of this is we use a product called confluence and honestly I'm always looking for someone that has some level of really good design expertise using confluence because I can imagine there are always ways to find better ways to sort of develop around some of the work that we're doing here for not only this healthcare special lunges group for but for also for all SIGs and all work work groups that are part of hyper ledger and so I always just always want to keep that sort of door open that if anyone has an interest with with design experience I'd love to be find a way to work with them on that and we also have a use case development team that's led by Erica and Erica do you want to give us an update on that all right thank you Rich so the only use case that's really kind of going forward right now is the drug supply chain which is the one I wrote and the text part of that is is done and now we're gonna move on to working on the visual the visual aspects of it and Indira is helping me with it and Dennis also provides us a lot of guidance for our group our group is really just providing high level pretty high level use cases and the way I've approached it for me it's hard to rate high level so I've approached it more from an academic rating standpoint so I need to really tailor down on the verbiage and so yeah it's we're moving along slowly so yeah that's where we're at hopefully we'll have that use case to present at some point or to at least show people yeah and and it's and what's really great about this particular team is this really it's got a great history it came out of HIMS conference observation from a couple of years ago obviously not this past HIMS conference because that kind of went virtual but the one prior to that which we basically had a had a booth set up for hyper ledger and so we had a quite a number of people that were asking us about use cases and and really the the ask that they were making was a better understanding of sort of the context around where blockchain technology tools might be most effective particularly in the healthcare industry and so so we sort of brought that back to the team here and I think originally I think it was Wendy that sort of kicked off that that team and then Erica took over the driver behind that was developing a use case effectively use case template in in a way such that we can develop a use case and then have multiple use cases that follow very very similar sort of overall structure so it's very easy to get that information out not not just to SIG membership but to to the healthcare community to really effectively to educate them on what where the real strengths of blockchain technologies happen to be and that you know that really fits to things like where does the DLT fit in what are the sort of the strengths and weaknesses of a DLT again in the in the context of of healthcare specifically same to for you know well I'd say cryptocurrency but generally speaking we don't use currency but but similar crypto solutions in the healthcare space and then also for SSI self sovereign identity or identity digital identity management again in the healthcare space and on that sort of on that last point it's it's always interesting a digital identity is getting to be a really big deal right now particularly as we're sort of working our way through the COVID virus there's an awful lot of work right now with contract contact tracing and and managing digital identity assets as it relates to COVID virus testing so it's from my perspective if we sort of look at where blockchain technologies seem to be maturing very quickly digital identity seems to be a big big space that's that's coming together very quickly here okay thanks for that Erica yeah this use case team is a great team very very interesting stuff coming out of this and I think also very promising I think there's gonna be some really good value that that will put out to the community through this team okay any questions before we move forward all right so as probably most people know we spent several months on really a hundred percent focus on the COVID-19 virus the pandemic itself we had about I think a half dozen special topic meetings through March April May and and we've subsequently sort of starting in June we sort of came back to our general meetings sort of cycle but that clearly as as I think most of us most of us know particularly here in the US the virus continues to sort of propagate and it seems that we're sort of coming into maybe a second wave or maybe the tail end of the first wave no one's quite sure I guess but there's clearly continuing need for support in this area and so as a result I always want to just provide sort of an update on where we can get funding at both the global level and then here in the US specifically so that if there is any interest in anyone on the call that wants to develop solutions that address the COVID pandemic ideally using blockchain technologies these are some great funding opportunities that I have up here and I update these fairly regularly ideally what it what I do is I sort of walk each of these websites sort of take a look to see if there's there been any updates on the site itself and then I'll note it here and so you can sort of see for each of the call outs I show an update in general I would say at a global level it's a little bit sparse I think just ongoing grant stations probably the place to go and then here in the US and I think I've talked about this before but for particularly for small businesses and startups or small businesses they want to do work with academic institutions the government here in the US has something called SBIRs and STTRs I call them sitters and sitters and so you can see sort of that first bullet point for the National Accounts Institute great opportunities exist continue to exist as a as they relate to health care and specifically the COVID pandemic and looking they're really effectively looking for solutions there same also for the National Institute Health NIH and then I think I think Ravish you're connected with the COVID help for families is that correct yeah yeah rich this is just a site to you know submit a you know if someone is in need you know for what they're looking for even the not not for profits and someone who can help so it's just a ways to connect those you know those two you know organizations or people who are looking for for help or who can help you know obviously I mean some of us are privileged to be able to work from home but there are a lot of people who are not in a position to do that or their job does not allow that to happen so it's just a mechanism to bring means to folks who need help excellent so it's a great opportunity and again I posted up here for for folks to sort of take a look at and and see how they might be able to get involved in that and then finally I call out sort of separately UC Davis office research has a great resource which probably is is a great catch all here in the US and again they they do a very good job of sort of aggravating opportunities really within here here within the US and again these are all COVID related opportunities and so I'd ask if anyone has interest to sort of dig into that and see what they might go to turn up and if he if anyone does identify a good solution that maybe is on those maybe isn't on the list please let me know I'd be happy to post it up here you know we just as much as we're not sort of driving these special topic meetings clearly you know we just want to stay focused on the fact that there's ongoing need for solutions developments as it relates to the pandemic okay any questions as it relates to to sort of where we're at with the pandemic and and how sort of best to serve serve the needs in that space Jonathan I've heard a lot about this overlay capture network from Paul knows and I think there's the whole collaboration for COVID credentials and I've seen a little bit about it percolated through project areas actually a year like almost like a November that actually Paul was trying to get traction with a RFC is there any in the semantic interoperability working group or in this working group any sort of talk about implementing that for at least the COVID credentials so short answer is no but you know it may it may be something worth digging a little bit more into do you have any more information anything like a link that you might be able to share yeah I think covered credentials dot or G I think so it's it's a huge when I went first actually I got the email I just signed up for the thread and just to build the listserv but it was amazing actually like they had you like ran out and made a press release that consensus health is now a partner and I was like no no I just signed up for the listserv and so I just took it took me back as far as like you know their objectives and it was really getting some press I'm just wondering actually if there is any standards there or my concern is actually there it's it's happening outside of my typical media for standards development like in IEEE or in hyper ledger or in my work in W3C so I'm kind of worried that actually it's there's some concern for a patent or and or other licensing that actually like it's a it's a it's just outside the realm of my comfort zone so I'm just wondering actually if anyone else has an experience with it because at some point they did have you know a hundred people working on joint documents so they have these Hubble pages and it seems like actually a huge amount of work and also overlapped with a lot of what I was doing in the in the IEEE identity and healthcare subgroup that Jack Callahan and I were working on for vaccination credentials which I think I presented to this group before. Yeah so I don't know anything through Aries necessarily and if anyone on the call happens to have any information or even maybe a link to some of that information please do do so through the chat. I can tell you I do know quite a number of organizations that are that are doing credentialing and in fact I do some work with Providence Health here in the in the Northwest and we have a we have a project that that's that's coming together from that perspective but generally speaking otherwise no I haven't found anything. Let's see I'm gonna bring up the URL that looks like Erica found and we'll see if we'll sort of we'll do this live and see where this takes us and maybe Jonathan you can tell us if this is the right spot that we're talking about. Yeah so that's it and I think and there's a whole bunch of huddle pages and whatnot for like four different streams and it seems like they're using verifiable credentials but it really is this overlay capture network that actually is I think it's actually it's it's brilliant in some senses in the in the sense that it really handles the semantics and then there's different layers of interoperability including actually languages actually I can transform it into different languages but it certainly it's much more complex than it will be actually we're working on in our public credentials we're still dealing with like just a simple claim name and API number maybe a vaccine and so I think it is it's interesting but I like I'm just curious like I use the evidence in there and so which is part of like you know sovereign network and so transmute news but so so I guess maybe the question is who's driving this right and it's not happening within any sort of standards organization yeah and and honestly just just offhand it may be just you know the timing for this sometimes these things have to come together very quickly and so yeah you sort of and run around some of the more formal sort of yeah and that's part of my reservation as well as that you know rushing this through you know standards organizations is that you basically get you know a bad standard because it's it's not vetted or you not get actually getting the result that actually like we had hoped it would and it certainly there's this precedent does this impetus actually to get something out there but and this also came I think you guys heard like Bill Gates actually on Reddit was saying oh in the future we're gonna have an immunity passport I think the dilemma I mentioned this before is that it's not it's like binary that oh you either you've been exposed to COVID and therefore you are immune or you've got the vaccine and therefore it's efficacious there's a whole world of governance models and just the plain healthcare we need to see if actually a vaccine works we need the reporting structure we need population health observations to see actually see how efficacious this is and so there's a lot we actually need to learn and this just seems like a quick fix but it might not fix the underlying problem that we're trying to solve so does this I'm curious to know is this in any way do they do they sort of correlate this with contact tracing or is it just really a credentialing tool yeah I think one of the use cases I saw at least in the listserv was actually documenting a use case for contact tracing but it's that again is also plagued with privacy and ethical challenges oh yeah and yeah especially here in the US yeah there's there's been an awful lot of pushback a lot of speculation a lot of conspiracy theory that flows around us obviously I think anything else on this call this I should present it as far as this that comedy of different people actually classes of people I should suddenly this immunity passport contact tracing is suddenly this stigma of really of disparities yeah yeah and that's that's that is absolutely the case and again I think I don't know if this is necessarily a global issue I think it's going to be really reflective or indicative of the culture and so I think you know it's it's a sensitivity that there's a big driver there and boy it's going to be a tough kind of a tough way to sort of move forward other other other countries are a little more open about that sort of thing here in the US I think it's certainly a sensitive issue well so I'll see if we can dig into this a little bit more Jonathan this this is I'm now now you got my sort of curious curious to be up on this one so I'll see if I can dig into it and see see what we can find about this and I think Dennis is on the call Erica did I did I catch that right and again I'm sort of blind on our list of participants so Erica's my eyes on keeping track of who's on the call today yeah I thought I heard Dennis Dennis good morning yes how do you think guys we're good good how are you doing glad to have you on the call I was just listening so can I can I ask you to give us a little bit of an update on the patient subgroup I probably I did it a little bit of update I'm sure I did a service to you but do you want to give us an update sure another big change since last meeting but besides of that I have also collaboration with the health agency in Switzerland and they have a very singular app developed and it is on the service now and so far 12% of the population has downloaded and the activation is very much not really very much promising so there are lots of concerns about privacy data privacy and there's a certain concern that people are afraid of get their data and misused and even hacked so this is a big challenge for not only for Switzerland for many of the similar applications the Swiss application is very much different from the Australian or Java which is already developed and on source now it is the data is not kept in a central device however they couldn't the central instances could not still convince the population that it is something not really happened to be misused by anyone so this is one of the biggest challenges for such kind of applications oh interesting well so so this is really in line with what we're just talking with Jonathan about and you know I was imagining that maybe maybe the sensitivity was here in the US but but maybe it tends to be more of a universal concern about data abuse and and effectively trust and so well good that's that's kind of that's good to know not necessarily comforting but maybe helpful for us to have a better sense for you know where where the sensitivities are when it when it comes to you know managing data and where the where the line gets drawn for you know how much is too much even in the context of you know something like this pandemic exactly and if I think of the clinical monitoring which is a part of the clinical trial and the patient monitoring this will be also in the future for IOT wearables a big issue we have to keep and try to build I mean appropriate systems and also appropriate communication with the population with the patients in order to convince them to implement and to get benefit of it it's a big challenge yeah interesting well good thanks thanks for the update Dennis and thanks also for your insight on that it's really good to have you sort of helping us get a sense you know for what's happening in Europe specifically and I think honestly it well it certainly helps me have a better sort of grasp of how we how we need to think about the solutions that we develop such that you know they tend to they tend to work for for everyone and not just for a single population or a single culture thank you Dennis so I think Erica also mentioned that Guillermo Diaz on the call Guillermo good morning hi how are you rich good morning good day to you Guillermo I don't want to put you on the spot but can you give us a little bit of update of how the how the virus is doing in Mexico I realized that you guys have been struggling for a while there yeah yeah you're right actually yesterday was one of the most deaths here in Mexico we have around two two thousand hundred cases a little bit more as I just read before and of course the problem here in Mexico is you know there are more deaths that the standard we are about 10% of deaths versus the COVID-19 cases that means that we have a very hard time in terms of the the deaths that we are having it's not surprising because you know there is a lot of diseases in Mexico around the heart diseases are diabetes so one of the things is that we're trying we still not doing testing that's one of the problems I don't know why but this is a policy from the government but at the same time the society is trying to take control of that and try not to go outside but the problem is that we are in the the I believe in the worst peak of pandemia so it's a very hard time and the prognostics are that maybe in November we are going to lower the COVID cases but this is not the good scenario right now and we believe that at least August September it will be a little bit worse and November maybe will be the peak that's that's the what I read and what I have from the you know the group that I participate here in the in the organization from IT so so this is this is what what we have for for you Rich thank you and you work you work out of Mexico City is that correct that's correct that's correct yeah okay well thanks very much for the update Guillermo sir of course be safe and yeah and appreciate that yeah clearly and we talked about this a little bit before the virus continues and I think getting that report from Guillermo is helpful for us to sort of just be mindful that this is still still very much an active pandemic that we need to be sensitive to so thank you for that Guillermo appreciated yeah and absolutely please please stay safe please stay safe thank you Rich thank you yeah okay so so really the last thing I wanted to get over to talk through today is is the fact that I put out a request for a call for HCC chair nominees I've been I've been chairing this special interest group for just over I think two years now and I think it's about time that I step away and so what what we're doing is I put a request out for nominees and and ideally these would be folks that have been in some way regularly involved in the in in the organization at least for some period of time it the the really the plan would be that we try to get the hand over to happen probably in the next couple of weeks or so it really is it'll really honestly it'll really depend on you know who steps up and then if we get enough folks together we can put together an election Erica is my vice chair but my sense I think Erica and I talked about this is Erica's got right now an awful lot on her plate and so we're debating whether whether or has time to take on the chair role and to really give it due justice to that and so I want to make sure that we open this this nomination up to everyone in membership that has been actively involved if ideally the work effort if anyone has an interest is to be on us fairly low you get into sort of a routine and and so just just operationally clearly there's you know prep time to put together agendas and and sort of you know develop the wiki pages and so forth and and outside of that there's a little bit of report up that that goes to hyperlegia.org and Linux Foundation but outside of that the really honestly the upshot is the real benefit is the opportunity from from this perspective to to really interface with the much broader blockchain technologies community and I would say healthcare community in general at a global level I've and Erica and I have talked about this recently one of the great things with being in the position of helping to sort of drive direction on the special interest group is I've really I've been invited to be to participate in quite a number of different organizational events many of them academically based which is a great opportunity for myself personally and and so that's one of the one of the things that I think I'll probably miss most of all is is that opportunity to you know be involved in so many sort of peripheral sort of opportunities so anyway so something to think about normally typically the the plan and of course that this healthcare special interest group is really the first special interest group that came out of hyperletcher we developed this probably about oh gosh I want to say around 2017 maybe even sooner than that so about three three three years ago or so and and really at that time it was simply just a listserv we really didn't have anything else at that time and then we put together the rocket chat channel and then from there we sort of developed out from from that point and formalized things a bit the charter that this special interest group created is really the the baseline for all their groups within hyperletcher since we were the first ones through so we have I'll just say a bit of cache maybe in in having really helped develop an awful lot about what hyperletcher is about from the community side and obviously very proud of that we have a great great team of people that have been participating in helping to develop develop that sort of sort of feel and and there's a certain level of professionalism that I'm very thankful for and clearly we've matured that over the past couple of years and I'm real happy for that as well so and my point was going to be that ideally the tenure for for the chair position and also the vice chair position is supposed to be a one-year cycle that's that ideally is supposed to really sort of happen at the end of every every calendar year one of the one the unfortunate side effects is that I believe hyperledger leadership team takes the last couple of weeks off of the year and so we're trying to move move the move that sort of time frame around so it's a little less impactful on on their time frame and so we we're moving that to the summertime so that's where we are now so if anyone on the call has been actively involved in and most people on today's call particularly have been involved in clearly any interview that that are you know regulars on this call I'd be thrilled to have you get involved if you have an interest please let me know and ideally we're trying to get this sort of put together by the end of this month and so when we get started next month I'll be helping to facilitate sort of that transition into getting a new chair sort of spun up into the special underscrew any questions yeah great rich as you are contribution to the healthcare as I just I did for the community oh thank you yeah so did you get any nomination for the or not yet no not not yet I I anticipate it it may take a little while anything that we push through listserv generally we we get it there's there seems always seems to be a little bit of a delay and to be honest the way that I sort of treat some of the some of the sorts of things that I do on other organizations I usually wait I usually wait until the weekend when I have some free time to sort of catch up on my sort of fun email so I anticipate it may be another week or so or so until we get a good set of folks together but so short answer is no not really I have had people and inquire and honestly inquiries are fine and I but I personally haven't really got a sense for what I would consider to be a real a real nominee that I that I'd want to put forward hey rich so the application process is just sending an email to you in the listserv and then stating why you believe you or someone else is worthy of this or has or yeah yeah exactly and and what's gonna happen is hyperlegio leadership sort of manages it but but the mechanism effectively is to get the nominations on the list for for the eventual election would would be just yeah just generating a generating an email and ideally it would be preferred if it went to all listserv I mean feel feel free to contact me directly if you have questions but what I what I'd really like to do is generate some some open discussion with the whole community and remember that our our HC SIG community is about a thousand members globally and so we have an awful lot of folks that are part of the community that I want to make sure everyone has an opportunity to sort of get a sense for who may be involved in in the nomination process so that people may be able to generate some feedback or generate support against the nominees so yeah so so the so the process would be send an email up to the listserv either nominating yourself or nominating someone else and then you know a short couple of sentences that define why you think you would be a good nominee or or you know a proxy someone that you think would be a good nominee I will say I am going to it sounds selfish but I am going to put myself up for that I'll be sending you know to the group by the day thank you oh perfect thanks Mike appreciate it rich this is just wanted to you know thank you for all your leadership I mean the the structure that you put in place I mean trust me I'm still trying to follow what you you have been and you know you do an excellent job at that so I just wanted to personally thank you for all your efforts and and you know keeping these things keeping the momentum going and bringing in various speakers on an excellent job I just want to convey that to you oh thank you Ravisha yeah I thanks very much I appreciate that it has been really it has it's been a great opportunity for me to be involved I think I get a lot of questions about you know why do I get involved in in an organization like this and to be honest and I think Tariq I think we we met earlier today I was very much like Tariq early on and this is well two or three years ago I guess it was I want to get more involved in understanding about how blockchain technologies fit into the health care community my interest happens to be health care related as it relates specifically to technology implementation and my interest in blockchain really sort of led myself to looking at different frameworks and I had looked at a framework called block stack initially which at that time was tended to be more closed-source and then I came you know really effectively came across Hyperledger which was open-source part of Linux Foundation which meant to me open-source open community and my background as developer allowed me to to actually go look at the code and go play with the code and that's really how I got involved here and then you know you just you you get involved in I think I got involved initially in the patient subgroup and and just recognized an interest in an opportunity to help to help mature the at that time it was it was called a working group and again the we were very very new as far as Hyperledger proper the project proper got was a couple this is you know three years ago I guess and so it's just my nature to say okay well I'd love to sort of step into this and help help sort of drive some of the momentum and and set the cadence for some of the work that we do here so I really have enjoyed it it has been an absolute pleasure and again as I had mentioned earlier the the great opportunities to speak with other folks in and around the world in multiple contexts and and really to learn an awful lot and to make to make some very very very very good acquaintances at a global level it's really been a great opportunity yeah I also want to join to rubbish he jumped in and I could I just wanted to say also my deep appreciation of your leadership thank you very much rich oh thank you Dennis yeah well well so so Dennis leadership it was also a great human touch thank you well great collaboration organization and everything thank you very much oh thank you Dennis yeah and well so so Dennis is a great example you know also a ravish Erica you know you you get you get to know people as people and it really doesn't matter you know where people live anymore these days actually Dennis and I did have a great opportunity to meet at the Hymns conference two years ago and so it's it you know one again one of the great things is the opportunity that a position like this affords someone and so yeah again it's it's been a really a great experience and so thank you Dennis I appreciate it okay again so if anyone has any questions feel free to contact me directly and then if you do have an interest in in and in getting more involved and taking over the chair role yeah please post up to listserv and we'll get that sort of routed I and again ideally the the thinking here is that we'll keep nominations open to the end of the month and then that last week of this month will be we'll get an election together it'll basically be a survey and and a voting process that will open up to membership and we'll work it that way and then come next month we should have ourselves a new chair and I'll obviously be helping to transition that person over into the role and then I'll sort of slowly sort of step out of the loop okay so are any any other questions or thoughts before we sort of close out just me rich I believe that I'm you know one of the the the new is here and I really appreciate all the the support that you have been providing to us especially with me I mean the speed up and the understanding of the way how it works the special groups and and and all the things around these community it's thanks to you even we having meet each other a few months I believe that you are a great leader and and you have a great way to explain in very detail the way how it works so thank you very much I didn't want to pass this opportunity to to to say thanks and as you said in Spanish muchas gracias mi amigo gracias well thank you thank you give me I appreciate it yeah thank you and and again you would you would be another excellent example of someone that that you know that that I was able to meet by way of this organization we had a great conversation earlier this year for those of those of you on the call that maybe don't remember Guillermo was able to to present a bit about what was going on in Mexico and that to me is invaluable for us to have sort of a global understanding of what's going on specifically as it relates to the COVID pandemic this this really is invaluable and I think you know having these opportunities is really critical to understand what the real issues are and then when we have a better sense what those issues are what the real solution ought to be with with really sort of that sort of real faceted understanding of what the problem space is well thanks again Guillermo I don't know okay we just got a couple minutes left we have another meeting coming up in two weeks I believe it's just it'll it'll be another general meeting and so at that time I think we'll have a better sense for what our platform will look like for who our next chair will be and so well we've got fingers crossed as we get to the end of the month and so thanks thanks everyone have a great weekend obviously be very very safe and we will see see everyone here in a couple of weeks thank you thank you thank you thank you and rich you're never leaving us so we'll see you in the future thanks Mike take care