 It's not gonna be out here forever. You know why vampires are so damn nasty, right? What'd you get there? Talk to me, talk to me, talk to me. So I can tell you those stories... I'm the tangent guy. I'm just kidding. No, no, no, I love tangents. Where'd you come up with that problem? Everything... Well, not the weather or the heat. Thankfully, it was pretty good. Oh my God. I was out walking the dog at eight. You walked the dog at eight o'clock today? Seven, seven, three. You know what I have? That was gorgeous. I have a cat that I've taught to do dog tricks. Walking a leash, shake my hand, roll over. I can show you videos afterwards if you're really interested. But it's so cool to come home and the cat's like, can we walk? Nah, it's like fine, I'm a cat. I don't care. And then if it is nice, we can go out and walk. So like, I get all the benefits. There's somebody in our neighborhood who walks his dog on a leash and the cat just follows them. Oh, nice. Yeah. Okay, that works. So it is nice, except he doesn't pick up the dog food. I don't appreciate that. Ten thousand percent. And it's like, the people who throw trash outside their window and then just keep driving. I'm like, what are you doing in this world? Anyway, there's enough oxygen for everybody except for you. I shouldn't even say that on there. My intake? Would you mind if I recorded it? Okay. So what I do is I normally set up this table and go out to parks and ask if anyone wants to have a conversation about whatever they want. A lot of times I get religious people and we'll talk about, they'll try to sell me on it or explain why they came into it. And we'll talk about the foundation of why they believe it. And then when we come back to the main topic where we rise up from that foundation, we find that they're a lot less confident in their position compared to where we started from. And through just a nice little five minute chat, we can have a good transition of critical thinking skills and stuff like that. I've never had the opportunity to do this with atheists. I'm an atheist myself. And that's what I'm thinking. Let me come over here and let's see if I can get some, how to put it, interviews with atheists, find out what they're coming from, that what people think is for Washington to understand and what the other people think. If you can interview the atheists, I'm sure you can interview the atheists. I have a horror story. Should I not have said that? No, because I tried doing it. There's a local meetup group where I'm at that has a bunch of atheists and I tried it there and they kicked me out. Really? Yeah, because they thought he's asking because there are very absolutes in that a God did not exist. And I'm like, the only thing I try to talk about is you should never really be absolute about anything, zero percent, one percent. That's like a really dangerous place to be because you stop asking questions. You kind of close your mind open. I don't know if a God exists. I'm waiting for evidence to convince me, but I'm not closing myself off from good evidence. I'm just, I think it's more reasonable to say, I don't got the evidence yet, that's why I don't believe and I'm waiting for better evidence. What do you think about that? Maybe you could talk about my perspective. Well, here's the way I look at it. Okay. I don't believe in unicorns. Right? You probably heard this church theme before. And I don't believe in unicorns not because I know positively that they don't exist because maybe somewhere there's a unicorn. Maybe somewhere there's a unicorn. But I'm going to not believe in them because there's no evidence for that. That's where I'm at. So I feel comfortable Right. saying I don't believe that there's unicorns. Right. That's where I'm at as well. Well, no, you're saying you you don't feel comfortable saying that there's no unicorns. You feel comfortable saying that there could be unicorns. Yeah. Like I'm in the same boat as like there could be a unicorn. Right. I haven't found evidence for that so I don't believe in that unicorn. Right. But there could be and I'm waiting for someone to come to me with good evidence. That's where I'm at. Yeah. I just don't feel uncomfortable saying I don't believe in things that I don't believe in. Right. Sure. There's no evidence. Yeah. Exactly. I also feel like a lot of people are not comfortable with the phrase I don't know with regards to does this exist or does it not exist. The people, I think the the main contention I reached with the other atheists over there was my position was between I know it and I don't know it or I'm sorry between I know it exists and I know it doesn't exist there's a third option which is I don't know if it exists or doesn't exist. Again, I'm waiting for better evidence and they're like, no it's so obvious that it doesn't exist. I'm like, how did you determine that? What's the method that you guys use? Is there anything that you feel comfortable saying for sure that it doesn't exist? To 100% certainty? Yeah. No. I at least I'm open to it but I need to have a macular amount of evidence to come to that. For me, an absolute claim is so the other thing that I find interesting about the first tree I don't need any more evidence. So if I said there's a giant dinosaur right over there but you just can't see it? Right. I am like 99.99% confident that that doesn't exist. Yeah, that's where I'm at. But when I say I'm 100% I don't even need any more evidence. I'm not asking more questions about it. I don't care what you say anymore. Even if there was a giant right there that was happening on its own I still won't believe it. I've closed myself off to that and I don't think that's a good position to be in. If I want to demonstrate that I'm a reasonable free thinker in a sense. I'm about how do I put it? It's tomato tomato I think. Is it? I think people are calling the same thing different things? Yeah. Different words for the same things. Yeah. I think some people like you said don't know what I don't know. Right. Ladies and gentlemen please welcome Kelly Helton. I feel like there's maybe even another point on that scale. My name's Kelly Helton and I'm the Equal Rights Advocate from the Chinese State Free Community. So damn sure it doesn't exist. Right. I feel comfortable saying that. Yeah, like my deal is I'm comfortable enough saying that I am very confident that the Christian God doesn't exist or that a law doesn't exist. I don't have the evidence because I don't have a method to demonstrate the supernatural to come to confirmation that a hundred percent confident that the Christian God doesn't exist because I don't understand of a way that I can test that. It's reliable enough for me to justify that level of certainty. That's where I'm coming from. Is there anything that you're a hundred percent confident about? I've had teachers who shame students for not saving up the Pledge of Allegiance. I've had teachers who've made my fire-classing religious gospel songs in class this year. There's a lot of things that I'm very skeptical about. Sure, same here. Yeah. So, the supernatural in general I am not comfortable saying I don't believe in it. How confident are you that it doesn't exist? Ninety-eight percent. That's pretty good. Yeah. That's probably even more than I am. Yeah. I'm probably even more confident that it doesn't exist. But that's a bigger sure concept. I mean it includes a God. Sure. But it's not restricted to a God. Okay. I think we're on the same level here. Oh, I think so too. Let me throw something out then. Okay. Just right in front. As an atheist, what's the thing that you are most certain about? It doesn't matter that when I die, yeah, I'm dead. Sure. Dead and gone. Yeah. One child left in this world to carry on. It's pretty final. I know. Isn't that poetic? Yeah, it is. I did not make it up myself. I said, I do think that I do think that how to put it, the fact that life is temporary gives life value. And so, like when I look at, like, flowers and stuff like that, if I was going to have an eternity with those things, I feel like who cares? I can start paying attention to those things 500 years from now. But the fact that it's not going to be out here forever, I won't be. Vampires are so damn nasty, right? Where'd you get there? Talk to me. Talk to me. I'm the tangent guy. I'm just kidding. Where'd you come up with that problem? Well, they know they're going to live forever. Yeah. Yeah. They do get nasty, don't they? They're very nasty. They're very true. You can't trust them. Theoretically. Well, I mean, yeah, you never know. I know some people who are mean enough to be basically gay. Right? But I, and conversely, you know, a lot of things about religion give people permission to be gay. Because all they have to do is ask for forgiveness, right? Right. Right. Right. It's a good ticket to get out of a lot of situations. And if I offend you, And you can do it over and over and over again. Not only that, but if I offend you, I don't even have to make terms to, like, repair that relationship with you. I can just pray to my God and I'm good to go. You know? But yeah, I think actually, tomorrow is my birthday. Okay. Okay. I'm gonna be 68. Okay. And I'm having a bit of an existential crisis right now. And we're doing it because um, been kind of down in the dumps for quite a while. Okay. And I think it's, you know, it's that reckoning with the fact that I'm not getting any younger. I have things left that I want to do. But the main thing that's making me do it is not the thought that I'm going to die someday, it's the thought that physically right now I am not able to do the things that I'm going to do. So, um, that part of it, you know, yet again, there's, you know, like they say, the hopes and prayers or, you know, thoughts and prayers don't help you anyway, so. Sure, sure, sure, sure. But yeah, it doesn't make me believe in God or want to believe in God or believe in life after death or any of those things, and maybe that's why it's more of a, oops, more of a, more of a thing for me, you know. Can I throw something out again? Yeah. And this might just be. Not physically though, please. I'm in bad shape. There's something beautiful in the fact that you're disappointed in the things that you can't do because if you weren't and you're the kind of person like, all these things I wanted to do, I can't do them, who cares? You're already dead inside, but the fact that you feel like the remorse that like, man, I'm so motivated, I want to get these things done, but I'm physically unable to do X, Y, Z. I'll have to come up with some other things that I can do. I'm still driven, I still want to do it and I feel bad for the things that are still living and still have goals. I can make goals and change goals. You're not alive, you're not sad. Exactly. I heard some people say heartbreak is love. That's the saving grace of having a finite lifetime. This life is, you know, life is similar. But if you didn't care, who cared? Then it's like, you're already dead. There's all kinds of good things and all kinds of bad things that happen to all of us. And we can still live in the future and we don't need a God and we're like, dude, I was basically like, that's good for me. What is that? Thank you, Kat. Thank you so much. Thank you for lending me your umbrella, which keeps falling over. It does? Should I tie it and get down here? No, it's the whole chair stuff. Oh, no. I was wondering it's like, is it working? Yeah. Cool.