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I'm alright, how's it still lad? I'll try and reach over and shake your hand. It's good to see you. The book. Tried and tested at the highest level. Wrote by our very own man, Steve Raef. Great book, very interesting. The family's got the reputation of the toughest family in Newcastle. We should have a big reputation to have. We spent a lot of time in prison. We've lost a lot of family members to murder. It's a story that you're not really told very often. So it's good to have you here to eventually tell it. We'll go right back to the start Steven. How it began and where you grew up. Well I grew up in the West End in Newcastle in Elzig. My dad was a bad boy. Right, they have different occupations. Criminal come to mind, my mum was a civil servant. There was four brothers, one died at birth. God love them. I had a step sister as well. She passed away just recently. Made me tubeless. I suppose that's where the reputation come from. Dad had a fearsome reputation about the Newcastle area. How was your upbringing with your father? My dad lived a double life. He lived at my mum's house. He lived with us three days a week. He's another family four days a week. Which wasn't very nice. He worked at the time. He had a variety of different occupations. Scrapyard, Baraboy. He had a haulage company. He worked for the breweries at the time. I worked for the breweries. When he delivered a drink, he got a bottle of beer. Over a course of a day. My mum had knocked 12 bottles of brown ale. It doesn't get called wife beat up for nothing. So 15 was your first prison sentence. Was it Bosto? No, detention centre. I went to a nightclub. The infamous La Dulce Vida. I was 14 years of age. I came into there. There was a big mass ball outside. We left there. We got into a vehicle. Stumbled across the people again. There was a big commercial in the street. There were tools. We got tools at the car. Loenbehold. I got his iPod out. We got arrested. High-speed chase from Newcastle City Centre. One of the lads got two-year. One of the lads got Boston. I received a sentence of detention centre in our free month. I was 15 years of age. I came into there when I was 16. From there prior to that, I had been a Baraboy. I worked with Dad's Scrapyard. I had been a Baraboy, which I loved. I worked with all different members of my family. That was from the early age of Lexus CS6. The barriers were illegal. We had a licence to work there. Unfortunately, we never had one. All the family of my great-grand had nine lassies. One laddie. Every one of them worked in the Baraboy. We dad had 40 cousins. 40 full cousins on his mother's side. All were somewhere along the lane. They all worked in the Baraboy. As I see it was illegal. We would get arrested. We would stand on a lamproof. A police officer had come down. If he took the hubs off the skills of the Baraboy, you could get a bike. You could see I was transporting the stuff on the Baraboy to the shop. The way it was going. That was basic. That was my job. As I see it, I got detention centre. I came out. The Baraboy has become legal. I applied for a pitch. I got refused with a conviction. I suppose my life went into a crane from then. In the likes of Steven. Steven Began, you know. So you are working from ages of six. Involved in basically crane nine. I try to get an earner. In n15 detention centre. Is that when you started getting involved in crane? See what you've got to understand. My dad was a criminal. In his father was a criminal. In certain lifestyles. That might be a hazard to me. I hit the word run. In six years of age. Travelling community in my family. The West End. Baraboys. In professional criminals. From a very early age. I was never going to be a dentist. Still get time Steven. You still get time. Life then between ages. When you get out from a detention. From 16 to 21. What was that period in your life? In my life to be honest. I thought this is my career. This is the life I choose. I got nine month youth custody. When I was 18. I came out of there. Went back in the crime again. On my 22nd birthday. 12 of always 1987. A group of men. When we were in Rob's sonlands. I was three quarters a million pound. The police went and raided my mames. Looked for me and my brother. The rest of my brother John. He spent a year on remand. The police officer came for an identification. He said it was not John. But it looks like it resembles him. She was the one who was going to fit me up so I spent a year in the run. Them days it was a big thing. I had to leave the country. I had to take the trip abroad. I spent a bit of time in Spain. I spent a bit of time in Tenerife. It was all interesting times. When you were fieving. What kind of stuff? I got arrested for not what I was going to wear. I put the cameras on for a while. I'm going to defeat the object buddy lad. I was screwing cash and carries in that. I was screwing cash and carries taking whatever I could. Cigarettes, high value stuff. I knew what to steal and what not to steal. There they go. Your brothers as well. I've got the fearsome reputation. One of them. I put a hat out in your life. I went into a pub. They got the wrong one. They got the wrong brother. And the cousin was shot as well. I'm all eaten up. Need his respect to me brother. We put a good shot 5 times. We put a good shot 5 times. My cousin got me to stay over me. I shot 6 times and I said again. I'm better him than me. I need his respect than my mum. I need his respect as a main shot. That then knowing that you had a hat out in your life. So the boy who shot your brothers dead. Supposed to be. There you go. So also. You did a big sentence as well. Over 10 years. How was that experience? Interesting. Well first of all I start off I spent 15 months in the block. I was a double category of prisoner. Me met me in a double category at the time. It was about when the Irish left the country. There was only about 10 double category of prisoners. And there was 3 triple category here. John was triple category here. Me met me in a double category here. 10 year sentence. We were doing 37 year between the three. There was no rehabilitation now. We were all got released from a dispersal prison. As category here prisoners. Life's life you know. What can you do you know. The guidelines from the crime was 2 to 3 year. I received a 10. Is that because of the name? Yes it is. You were in with some serious people as well. Where is the one from Glasgow? Charlie Cray. How was it like being in with them? I found Paul a very interesting person. To be honest I found Charlie a soulful figure in prison. An old man in prison doesn't belong there. Charlie told us he said I came back from work one day. In the school says he said I don't want to see you. I said I don't want to see you. I said I don't want to see you. I like to talk to you about what's happening to me. Your name has been mentioned all from me. Corkius. So he told us what happened. I made a meeting to go and see two people in a pub. He said it's between me and you. He said it's between me and you. I was going to send him a couple of kilos of Charlie. He says to me he's surprised. He says first of all the place was bouncing. The old scenes are just getting the contract. He says the space girls are getting the number one. Then I knew a connection. I told him what Charlie was up to. He says and two people coming to bar. He says to me he's surprised. Do I do Jordies? He says so the atmosphere changed. He says that's posed for a little bit about 30 seconds. I looked at him and he says do you know the series brothers in the tour? He says I don't even get the look on the face. They look at each other very sheepishly. He says could you pass a message and tell them old Charlie's asking after them. He says so that's how your case, your name got mentioned with a friend of mine who later got assassinated. I used to look after. Not under my watch when he got assassinated by the way. That was Peter Golan. He was connected with Charlie. That's how my name came about. Your name is known all up and down the country as well. Same as Paul. He speaks very high. You love you. Vice versa. Your friends with some interesting characters as well. Big Brian Cockroo. The podcast a couple of weeks ago. The tax man. How did that relationship come about? It came about from a good friend of mine. A man called Lee Duffy. Lee Duffy was a fighting man from T side. We found us up on T side. Steven says I want you to meet me friend. He says I've just had the hardest fight with the strongest man I've ever met. I've met me like no for a man for Lee Duffy to say that this case has got to be special. So loen me hold what happens. We meet, I go through and Lee and Brian comes and says we go through a restaurant. We go through a restaurant for where Sondag has a bite to eat. Stere is a few hours long and we had a little bit tanked up. I came with Sid and it was a football game. I came with Sid and it was a football game. I came with Sid and it was a football game. I came with Sid and it was a football game. I came with Sid and it was a football game. I came with Sid and it was a football game. Had been a football game, it was a Saturday night. I had to just talk to the police. I was half a dozen people with that. I was half a dozen people with that. I was half a dozen people with that. I was half a dozen people with that. Brian is a good big guy. Brian is a good big guy. I see one thing. On his dear, that man would have probably been among the best men in the castle. On the cobbles. On the cobbles. The man was abnormally strong. On his sweeten legs is 700 pounds. On his sweeten legs is 700 pounds. On his strongest man in Britain. And he has build his ability to punch as well. So he put a dangerous combination on him. So he put a little bit of bad intentions in that. The story of Lee Duffie. I keep hearing his name, getting through about. Left, right and centre. How tough was this man? Man on the fear. I would describe the person, he looked like Dove Longroom. Six foot free. One little story. One little story, he was in jail, he was in Akklet in prison. He says he was walking along, the school told me, he says he was walking along. He says he walks up to the school, he looked for a snout and took the tab with the school's move. The school says what he did, he said I take the tabs off him. He looked in his box, he said it was only three tabs, he said no, I'm gonna say it's 20 tabs if you don't want me to knock you out. The school hadn't got the tabs on. That was from Lee tellers that story, and so did another school tellers that story. There were two families, he had me if you had a man, you know. And he was murdered though. He did I, he got stabbed in the back. It's not exactly Victoria Cross material is it? Yeah. Too scared to maybe face him because obviously he was handy with his hands. Too handy. So a big Brian then, how old is he now? Best of parts always will be. I said to him one day, I said Brian I know you're a strong laddie, how strong are you? He said steam just went on set in the sentence. He got behind the car. He lifted the car up and snung it about five foot one direction. You know this, I'm not about moving it this little bit. He done this to six or seven cars. You know, I'm Ben Ranger, I looked at these cars, these cars were swell. Now you know the person, now you. I thought this is abnormal, this is abnormal. All right, you come on, I've got a lot of time. I speak highly of them. You were also, when you done over your 10 year sentence, you were in the segregation unit for over two years. A 15 month I spent in a second one sentence. How was that? Educational. Yeah. Goed met a cow to a building. Now what would like to say, I don't know if you could say I prepared this for any segregation unit in any way shape or form. But you've read me, you've read me book, you know. My father had, when we were younger, you know, as I said he worked for the brothers. He was violent when he was drunk. He was naked away from it, you know. He battled on how he went in the dog cattle. So, you know, maybe he's not bringing them, so he spent 15 months in the segregation unit. I suppose in the connection with the dog cattle had some, maybe he's had a good fortune like, you know. So just dabbed up in the room yourself with nothing. Ney winders in the cell, ney winders, ney heating, snow coming through, you know. Absolutely freezing cold conditions, you know. Not a lonely bin. Who was in there with you? Your brother Michael. Your brother Michael, you know. Did you just get a speak teacher or you out? Well, they kept a different part of the unit all the time, you know. Different units, they say, open doing the country, you know. Many prisons have you been in, Stephen? Too many, far too many. What's the story with the million pound and the suitcase? As it says me, we've had various occupations when we were younger, you know. We were streetwires very early age, you know. I suppose in a sense we're preparing life to be what the occupation we took. So anyway, we get a phone call, my dad's run the boatways parl. We knew he was up and no good. So the phone call was that he's young, he's been arrested. And they're going to come and arrest me dad and they'll come and search the house. We knew my dad wouldn't have anything in the house. Now, then big old fashion houses, when you used to have two sitting rooms in the knock the wall, doing make a kitchen in the one in the glass doors. One of of a good, there was a torn suitcase there. So when my mother says she was searched, we knew her wouldn't have nothing out there. So we said we weren't in the suitcase, we never get. We got the suitcase. I clicked it like that and I see them on the telly and they want to live years ahead forward. What the fuck? It was full of money, it was a million pound. Shit. No, about 6, 78 years of age, that's what I mean. So I had enough sense to realise that the police are going to come and get this first and my father's going to be in trouble. So we immediately put it in a big old rucksack, a big old army bag. Made me brother John. And when I hid up to 70 years old, 70 was just just at the top of the street, you know. So we hid in there. We hid in Donecree in my house, we stayed with it for like 2 or 3 days until my father got released from the police station. Naturally, you know, I never get any more John. I thought it was clever, it was no sugar. I took one of the dollars, it was 20 dollars. It was full, it was clever. Half a year full, we were going to pull it back, you know. We had to talk about it when we got more than a million quid. We didn't know how much it was there, we knew there was a lot. In fact, my dad says, I was looking for the fuel. Quid for the money done, you know, you expect to get a drink. He says, your reward is in your experience. And that was it, you know. Because your dad was a very tough man. Really tough. Your old boy was shot in the head as well. He did I, he did I. He drew himself to the hospital, was that correct? That is correct, I. The man tried to assassinate him. The man who came forward says he had hacked in the national computer. He says he could find files on it to prove that my brother had been fit. My brother John was doing 15 years for the security van Robbie at the time. And it was evidence that John had been fitted up, you know. So he was feeding him slowly, you know. A little bit of paper work here, paper work there. And he made him meet the same on the case side. First he said, I was looking for the paper, he looked up and he put the gun and he said like that. My father twilt one side, filed it, went for his jaw then jammed on the other side. Big strong old man, he pulls on forward, pulls on man's face, blocks against the car, bangs his hand against a few things, but like he said in the vehicle. Fortunately it was an automatic gun. The bullets jammed somewhere along the line and he pulled back to try to shoot my father again before I drove away in his car and went to the hospital. When I get to the hospital, I get to the phone call, I arrive at the hospital. When I get there, the car's outside, it's covered in blood and he's there, he's semi-conscious and the man was actually done it on the phone. He said, special plan shall meet him, do it. Please, please, please give us forgiveness. I thought, this man is not going to stop now. When I get myself killed, he's going to kill another family and now he's going to try and kill them. So I thought I've got one chance and one chance only. So instead of playing the nasty card, I played the sweet and innocent card and I'm terrified for my dad's safety. He half stood for it. He says, where can I see? He says he leaves his park. Ben, the man's going to be done. I thought, this man's got a gun. He's just trying to kill me, father. Naturally he sees me in the park, he knows I'm in danger. He's going to try and kill me. West End was full of variety of different criminals at the time. It wasn't very hot, I can't get two or three people to hold up. Which I did. So within a half an hour, I've got a car full of people. Then we went and made the way to the laser's park to tell us where to go. I said, make your way around there, he says we'll be there. He says, if the man's going to approach you, that'll be the man who does it. I'm walking around the lake. As I'm walking around it, I see he's this man. Clubman is very funny. He's got a big coat, a big pocket coat on. You know, when you're walking to someone, you think the man's going to shoot you. It's not a nice thing to experience, you know. He stands next to the bushes and he comes close and close and he has clicks, clicks. I know the boys were in the bushes. I know the boys were in the bushes, but he was just a normal student asking for a light. I thought you've got no idea how close you are. Shit man. I'm close to the laddie. From there the man went to the police station and handed himself in. Experiën what he had done and wanted for his own safety. They put the man on the mound. Loombie who had lined up on the mound, put his downstairs to him. He decided to move off and what he had done and how proud he was and all that. The school system of what it looked was how it come with me. It took his upstairs, on the school's door, on the school's door. He started screaming this Bob Stoker on the other side. He said please don't let him in yet. He just carried on annoying him and I won't let him in yet. So the man shot after that. He went to court and he came up in court that the man had been a police informer for a number of years and had been so good that no one from the police didn't know what to do him. They gave him a sentence of four years for shooting me further in the heat. So he was working with the corpals. Ah he was. They moved him to some jail, doing the word, doing Plymouth, doing that way. Loen behoel, we're friends, we're from Manchester we put a hundred odd stitches in his face for badness, you know. Was there any truth? Was there any truth to the police that told me to shoot your dad? You never know, do you? That's fucking scary. So obviously the reputation that you have gotten taking your dad out of the cards is a big mass for anybody to try to move up the ranks including yourselves as well. Was there ever a time you did? This is just fucking nuts, I'm out. I eventually decided to hold the toll in, I didn't come second anybody and get beat or ruled over or anything like that. I retired at the top, the top me professionally that's what I've done, I decided enough is enough to be honest, why? I was wanting to see my mum. My mum was, she made Steven look at please enough, how he can turn your life around. It's actually easier being a businessman than being a criminal. The fall's on as bad, your crowd's going to feel good again and you're going to get your freedom back. Your time. Your time, yeah. That's a moment you're percent correct Steven and listen man, it's great to see you changing your life writing your book and I know you're going to write a second book and maybe documentaries and films because your story's unbelievable and you've not really told it. We'll get all the links on the bio anyway for the book because it's a great read some fucking fascinating stories because your brother as well is involved, are allegedly involved I don't know if he's been charged with one of the biggest robberies in the post office of all times, is that correct? What happened most, when I was younger on my 22nd birthday in 1987, the 12th row was in 1987 I was a robbery committed from Surin's sorting office it happened to be Britain's biggest post office it was probably three quarters of a millionpong was stolen the police went to me mum's daughter from me me and me brother John, I wasn't there the rest of me brother John on an identity period a policewoman came forward and said that is not the man, but he really resembles him that was a woman who was going to pick me out and verbal me out and fit us up so I spent a year on the run at the time it was a big thing you had to see if you got to leave the country to take the trip abroad as you would say you only ever heard on the TV and that's what I had to do I spent a year on the run I lived in Spain I lived in Scotland don't fucking bring in trouble to your country I wouldn't see me there but you know typical fucking Jordies I was causing trouble somewhere what was it like being on the run for a year what was that like it was interesting I supported my life by fiefin it was just a big adventure to me I was crazy already and now it was a big adventure was it a buzz for you it was a big buzz getting when I found my brother I've been falling not guilty I was sitting in the hoes I was sitting in the hoes I hadn't left the flat for three months and I was listening to radio one and the news flash came on radio one or two men I've been acquitted for Britain's biggest post that was Robbie to see I was a bit happy I was sitting doing the time I jumped up in the air and I remember to hit the ceiling I was fit like at the time that's what happened to you know you know being a criminal being a high profile criminal you can't do it the cup was out of the bag the days of fiefin had it gotten unwinding because that's when your reputation of the Seers family tenfold because obviously the news new K wide with that Robbie everybody knew who you were then is it police been after you Sins dan? Just non-stop? Constantly? Constantly? I put on my Facebook, a company of the weekend, it was strange, I was sitting in bed watching a bit, on a sat in the morning, I was watching a bit... Tom? I keep it for the need-signal. There's times when Piers is Jim's life. There's times when Piers is Buddy Landman, away. See, he has it now, he has it now, he has it now, he has it now, he has it now. There's these two kids that messed up with the lampwurst. He's only puttin' a hidden camera on the top of the lampwurst in the back and the front. I'm lookin', that's what's the fuckin' noise they made, you know, for this is very unprofessional. It's typical love from the police, you know. Claimed up, had a look at it, it's a four-way camera. Just left it there. Every street leading off from where my house is. He couldn't drive on the street before being captured on camera, you know. This never stops. So go to restaurants, they'll go there in the last of the can and bug it up. I'm not an act of criminally mode to them, it doesn't bother us but... Jesus Christ, these people, they couldn't catch a cold off them. It's the inconvenience though that if you try to get everything together, try to do your good in life and speak the truth and try and help others who's watching as maybe want to get involved in crime and go, look, that's ain't a fuckin' life. It's not a life, it's not a man. See, I don't think my police hate us the worst because not because we're the worst, it's because we weren't about them. We're not going to give them any money, any information. And they don't like it. What a fuckin' shame. Cause you are good pals with Paddy Conway. Paddy Conway, piss on him. So how did that relationship come about? I was good friends with his brother Michael, Michael was a good guy in the Lord. The Paddy ones just in Langtale. What Paddy Conway done was used a thing tactic called deflectionary tactics. For over 20 years this man called everybody and the dog a police informer. Simple reason to deflect attention away from his lower life activities. It got so bad in Newcastle that he called so many people. Now when you're a police informer and you want to deflect attention away from yourself by calling an innocent person a grass. It is commonly known in Newcastle that he was doing the Paddy Conway, or the short version, he's doing a Conway. Every city's got one, every city's got one. We've got this long till. So you haven't finished with him. He got us arrested. He got us arrested, he made a five page statement against us. Got us arrested, charged and convicted for malicious communication. I was the only second person that couldn't be charged for calling him on Facebook. He's hurt his feelings. Truth hurts, truth can be a very dangerous weapon and hate is not like the truth. That's sick. So now writing your book, because we spoke earlier and you said you couldn't write. I couldn't write until I was 30. When you wrote this book. I've never read a book, I've never read a book but I've wrote that one. So what made you, what gave you the idea, the inspiration to write your book? We got past Steve Wave. Steve Wave boy. You and Steven Ladd. That's fairly good yours. Yeah we're getting Steve on after yourself. Steve, very well respected in Underworld as well. The craze, ferries, yourself. I don't respect it by other people of a full country. Steve gives the idea to doing it. We don't have your back to help us. I'll tell that she wrote it down. As I say, I've never read a book me if only life. To write a book is a very strange thing. I've still never read that. It's not really interesting to read it. How was it for you going through it though? Did it bring back a lot of emotions? There's a lot of hard writing stories in there. The hardest story you had to write was the first chapter. That to last. Because it was very emotional. I can't feel them time period. Getting battered in the dogs killing when they were a child. It's not a nice thing. I suppose in that 15 month I spent this aggregation unit. I didn't know if it would've been different if I hadn't done that experience in the dog killing. But they prepared us I suppose in a sense. But didn't weaken. No. Obviously a lot of people don't understand that life of crime or whatever it is. But if you're involved in it, if you're already doing it from the ages of 4, 5, 6, it's already ingrained in you. So it's difficult for anybody to get out of that life. For anybody watching, it's maybe trying to get involved in that life. I think it's cool. I used to watch older films and go, that's cool as fuck. But then when you start seeing the misery and the pain the other people it causes, it's heart breaking. You're getting trauma throughout PTSD and you fucks with your mind. For anybody watching, what advice would you give for them? That's maybe at the crossroads. There's two bits of advice I could give them. The first one could be them get caught. When you sit and I've done a ten year sentence, I've done a cat to get here prisoner and my little boy came on the visit where he's a little pal and he went pointless and he went, I've got to die, there's me down there. It hurts. It hurts. It's the children. I would have had to spend more time with my children just to praise this. It's a little glamorous. It looks well on the eye. Look at this, look at this, look at this. Look at the respect they get. Look at the birds, the birds fling the cells. They mean different things. Money comes different. But it's easier life being a businessman than it is being a criminal. And there will be water, but you don't lose liberty. It's the most valuable currency I believe is your time. Your freedom. You can get more done. But again, if you're involved, whatever the fuck it is you're doing, it becomes a norm and it's scary that people accept that life and they get caught up in that. But you're out it. Free. But working on, you try to get a second book. Can we talk about that, Steve? The second book, it's obviously Steve's behind again. So what's the plans for that? The plans are, we're going to get it out at the same time we've got a film coming out next year. Try and test it's going to be made in the film. I've got a double BAFTA winner. Guy Fraser from Scotland. Scottish Boy was in, I spoke to him on Instagram, it was on. Was it Trainspotting, what was he involved in? Trainspotting, Wellington Wales. Yeah, that's right, correct man, yeah. He's a good man, but don't work on the lad when we heard him came, he was interested. There's other ones came interested, but he's the one who takes all the boxes full of confidence for the lad and we believe he's going to do it right for we, you know. Are you excited for that? It'll be strange, you know. I'm going to give some of the proceeds to charities, you know. You've got to do it a little bit, you know. I can't expect to go and sit there and say in a sense it's like getting a live note of crime in a wee, you know. So therefore the victims of crime is going to benefit from this. I wish you a good thing man, because I think as much as you bring the big names on and we can talk about the crime in the robberies, there is victims in that as well. Do you know what I mean? It's those people who hurt and who have the trauma as well. I know we laugh and we joke, but we've got to fucking laugh as well. But there is victims, or there's always victims in no matter what it is. Call of sales man, call of sales. So, would you ever do talks of that at schools? Ah, ja, wouldn't I? See what you're saying there. Tough guys will always come and go, but the victims will always remain the same. You know, they don't always happen. I don't even think I could go into prisons at some stage, you know. I've talked with Paul Ferris, Paul's interested. Brian Cotter's interested. Different people out in the country, and I believe I could go into prison and talk to them. Do you've costed these, you know, and talked to them, sent them. You would bring a footballer to educate a young footballer. You'd bring a musician to educate a young musician. You'd bring a musician to educate a young musician. You'd doze en doze en doze. Why can't you have a criminal? Go round prisons, schools. Why aye man, why aye. So, what's that daylight for you now, just on a daily basis? Not much, just quiet life. No one just a quiet life. Do you go to the games, Newcastle games? I used to have played with a jury and I was down with you now. I might come out of your timing for my goshy enough, which we fix that gun. We on sense we're two anymore. It's a great, I love it down here, it's fucking nuts. When I was drinking though, I'm not drinking anymore, but it was wild. Good times don't you man. You can always spot a jury last in the middle of winter. She's the one who doesn't wear the coat. Or knickers. You get yourself doing the big rock, the same things like that, you have a fight on your hands. No, it's a great place down here, I fucking love it man. It's a great place, great vibes. It's like Glasgow, you've got Liverpool, Newcastle, Glasgow is kind of similar. You know Scottish, I've thought you've had also juries here because we've taught yourself to speak English. You're still struggling. Both of us I think. We need fucking subtitles for this. So, the new bit coming out. Follow on possibly, what about documentary? We're doing a documentary, I think. There's one planned. There's one in the pipeline you know. Why you were in prison as well? Did you ever look at anybody go, he's a really tough bastard, he's fucking tough. Did you ever respect, you've got to respect people back there. You didn't know as we meet your thing you know. Was it about anyone or anybody? Yeah, fuck. I was high when I was a kid. Sugar Mark, Alan Shearer, that's it. I like Shearer, man. What a player he was. So, forward for the future. We've got everything coming out. Everything's good to be yourself. Meneke, had you got it? Declared, I've got it. I was walking through Wackleton jail on exercise one day. And then laddie came up to us and he says, I was talking to your son the other day. I says, which one? He says, William. He says, you've got a better guess I call. I said, not that much to my knowledge, not in my knowledge. A lot of people say that you're a rancor, a cousin, a father, mother, maybe. Who knows what you're doing, you're spending all your free hours. I'm not as busy as I used to be years ago. I've settled down now. I've got myself a good last quiet down. And believe it or not, I'm not even a fucking who I must anymore. Do you think that's what makes people change as well when they meet someone? Well, the last time I met, it's a large burden on my life, you know. We had a relationship finished for whatever, full prison basically, you know. But the last time we met now, yes, I've got a lot of respect for him, he's got a lot for me, and it's just what I needed in life, you know. A bit of balance. Yes, yes, yes, good last. So how's the family and stuff now? Everybody's already, you know. Everybody's already, you know. We're all trying to get a straight living. It's difficult, you know, when you've got these people around you constantly. Constantly grief from the police. That never stopped. Well, on me kids as well, you know, it's a simple case, if you hit the cat, you hit the kittens. You know, they give me kids, they give me children grief. There was a shooting of an incident around the corner there in the nightclub, and what had happened was, the dormant had beat me children up, they beat the bands up. Some went back, he's an ex-boxer, round me rain, and had a straight, I would want the dormant, big giant thing. My boy punched a fuck out of him. And what happened was, the boys went down to the young ones, you know, the kids, in the fucking the dormant, attacked them, said with them. There was a shooting, one of them got shot. People got arrested, you know. Invested and found out guilty in it. Yeah, so the kids are still getting hassles, well, because of the name. Yes, as I see it, how many in the family was there? In my family, which would mean me toe for that. Was that? Oh, yeah. So how the fuck, people make out, you have to use a massive, massive family, 50, 60. No, is that not correct, no? There's a lot of them. We represent to the West End, I suppose we were the figurehead to the West End. Any lot of things, people touch, any crimes, what happened to the West End, they see us, they see us, they see us, they jump at the time, 99% of the time, I know it's nothing to do with me. Did you get ripped in for a lot of stuff, that you never did, that people just threw your name in? It happens, you know. But when you're an active criminal, you're not bothered, you know. It was what I was, you know. I'm not ashamed of it in any way, shape or form, you know. I've got respect, I can get anyone in the country, I've got respect, you know. When you think about the past, even telling your story now, how does it bring back a lot of emotion? Do you speak about it a lot? Because you've never really done interviews, you've never really spoken before, why is that? Because I was brought up to be silent. Low profile, low profile, and no tattoos on it, not as seen as we're a designer student, just a blender, and that's what I was brought up. When I was a criminal, I had other criminal's advisers from an early age, and run about in big flash cars, it was no good to you. These young duchty, life is on criminals, no idea. Hafan McPister says we should've made better one. The amount has snitches in people that are involved nowadays is unbelievable, especially young kids where they fake Rolexes, the least cars, sat on the blue light on top of it, Make the fuck it, come on man. How is the most corrupt police force in the country by far? Yeah, you spoke about that earlier that there's a lot of corruption here in Newcastle. Really bad. You know who's going to complain and say listen, you've heard of me, who's your funder Kiro Kukian? You've only declared two, I should have a 12-year sentence instead of a two-year sentence. Who's going to do that? They're not other. They know what you're going to handle this. It's a license to commit crime. That's what they call them, pages. There's a bar in the jasmin area, Osborne Ward, that's where the police drink. So you've got up there, you've got, you've got police officers stand with words with designer clue of none, mistresses most of them. And they've got lots of money, maybe a grand in your pocket. You know, and now criminals and drug dealers, they'll have a lot of money, or four mollers, but a police officer. You know, I'm just going to come for a drink, I'll just never get a grand at the cash point. No, I didn't have one. These kids are, these people are right in their legs, dishonest to the bull. Just goes to show about that now. Is there anything you'd like to start showing? Viv Graham, because you didn't ask, but he was finishing off on Conroy. Oh, so Viv Graham. Hi, hi, Viv was me Paul. We didn't start off as pals. You could see if Viv Graham represented the dorm in the Newcastle, and the C.S. family represented the West End and the villains in Newcastle. There was a lot of trouble vice versa. When the pals, we ended up getting, what happened was I asked him one day, he said some dorm and I passed him, I said, the C.S. family aren't loud in the nightclub. In the 80s and 90s, that was death, it's going to make trouble if you come over, stupid things like that. So he only takes Viv up to the nightclub. He bashed the granny at the geezer. We had a bit of assistance of three or four as well. We've got old fashioned West End beaten. I've got Nick Ford. He was a police officer in the club at the time. He portrayed himself as a hero, but the video showed that he was a coward and he ran in the corner and he had never seen a fucking thing. Anyway, a long story short. The fight is actually on. It's on YouTube. Viv received a sentence of 18 months. I received a sentence of two and a half years for watching the fight. So you get a bigger sentence for just being there. And this is on YouTube. What's the name on YouTube? Viv Graham, so the video was airchecked out. We'll put the link in the description box. We'll put the links to Steven's book and his Facebook pages, stuff like that. We've got his home to do a documentary to film this year, the second book, so we'll put every link down there. Anything else? Great today, but for coming on today, Steven. Listen brother, listen. In hearing your story, you're a good guy man and hopefully we can do something in the future. Yeah, no. Thank you, cheers brother.