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We'll make it we'll just take over a little vestibule and we'll dialy in and Amos, I'm not sure if you wanted to chime in at the top of the show Yes, I'm sure I put you in I just said you're running the board you can you can add live Sounds good But yeah, no, it's it's gonna be a great show got great guests great hosts great stories Great electricity great audience great provides. That's what I've been saying in two producers. Nothing can go wrong No, that's like having two DJs been your set Right two DJs in a microphone. What about two DJs each with two microphones? It's two turntables, right? It's four turntables Yeah, I mean that that's not the song though. It's not four turntables and a microphone. That would be certainly over delivering Would it be four turntables two microphones? You would get true I mean like too many turntables spoil the beat This is I don't know too many good What if it's a silent disco and everybody could just choose between the DJs that they wanted to go through All right, let's just start the show. This is all right So uh Catch yourself in and hit record and then start speaking. All right Here we go in three two one Christian Crawford has supported independent tech news directly for five years be like christian become a dTNS member at patreon.com slash dTns This is February 7 2019 from the shores of lake merit. I am your host justin robert young now tom and sarah Are out for the day, but I am not alone. I came with my own crew Please welcome shannon morse Hello from knot studio feline even though I have a cat in my hands. I'm shannon morse and Yeah, i'm amus. I'm running the boards today although roger is still producing and so he's responsible So yes, I will I'll fall up with that saying and the show's producer roger chang And this could be an awesome show. Here we go smooth like butter. Let's go ahead and start things off with a few tech things You should know Twitter reported a 24 rise in total revenue last quarter driven by video ads Earnings per share came in at 32 cents beating expectations of 25 cents monthly active users dropped on the year from 330 million to 321 million as expected due to continuing purges of fake accounts That's the last quarter You'll know that though as twitter will stop reporting monthly active users in favor of daily monetizable users twitter forecast a lower q1 revenue and higher Full year operating costs than expected starting february 28 facebook's drop down which explains why users are seeing a particular advertisement We'll add which of your details were targeted and whether the brand paying for the ad uploaded your contact info In order to match the ad to you it will also show when the contact information was uploaded and how the brand obtained it google fiber announced that they are ending service in louisville, kentucky And will not charge their final two months of service for subscribers The announcement blames the departure on faulty infrastructure decisions to place their lines In what is known as nano trenches only a few inches below the concrete They have come up and now there are loose wires on the ground It would have required a full reinstallation and instead they're packing up their fiber and moving on Oh no Motorola announced its moto g7 g7 power and g7 play phones All for less than 300 usd the most expensive the g7 at 299 has a 6.2 inch lcd screen With 64 gigs of storage 4 gigs of ram and a 3000 milliampere battery The moto g7 power at 249 dollars has the same size screen at a slightly lower resolution with 3 gigs of ram and 32 gigs of storage But it also has a larger battery at 5000 milliampere hour All three models come with android 9 pi and they also have my favorite a headphone jack All three are available now in brazil and mexico coming to europe in mid february and the us in the spring All right, let's get into a few There we go Let's get into a few more stories in depth in a blog post thursday amazon vp of global public policy at aws michael punk Said that the company supports for appropriate legislation surrounding the use of facial recognition technology by law enforcement to ensure Uh to ensure civil rights are not being violated This follows a similar declaration from microsoft last month saying it discourages the use of technology to engage in unlawful discrimination and encourage Encourages consumers to be transparent about its use Snubs, what do you think this is obviously a hot button issue that has a lot of ramifications? What what do you think about amazon stance on this? Yeah, it's absolutely a big thing with a lot of ramifications just like you said and The problem that I see with this is How are they going to make sure that this doesn't happen? Because we've seen discrimination happen with facial recognition technology even though companies say that it's not going to be biased We've seen this kind of information happen before. So how are they going to? Make sure that this doesn't happen in the future as compared to what we've already seen in the past You know, I think part of it is these tools are only as good as the algorithm that they are using to keep track of it And that that to me is the conversation that we need to have Specifically when it comes to education because as soon as this gets into a legal situation, it's it's going to be beyond Uh nuance it's going to be about You know, uh, swinging the big hammer and making a corrective decision And yet I don't know if we are quite as savvy as we should be or need to be about understanding These algorithms that are being used Now I do appreciate that they said, you know with nuke technology just like anything else in the world You know, you shouldn't ban it. You shouldn't condemn it immediately Because of potential misuse because it's the same thing with like information security There's a lot of potential misuses that you can have I apologize for the background noise My cat's using the litter box, but that it's still going to be an issue So you shouldn't ban it or you know, just outright say that it's not necessarily because facial recognition can be a good thing We just have to make sure that it's it's protecting, you know, civil rights and it's making sure that In the future, we're not seeing Going to protect civil rights. I I do think that it can not discriminate. Oh, yeah. Yeah Definitely the big kid. Maybe I'm taking it a step too far Yeah, I don't think it needs to be a robocop situation But it is a good thing that amazon is making this stance and I'm hoping that them being that they're such a large large company That other Companies also take that same similar stance because they see it as a positive movement In in society and for their business as well Agreed So moving on google announced its open sourcing its bug finding infrastructure cluster fuzz on github Fuzzing is a term for automated software testing process that inputs invalid Unexpected or random data into a computer program, which is monitored to see exceptions like crashes and memory leaks Cluster fuzz is google's cloud based in implementation that runs on 25 000 cores that was launched in 2012 Two years ago the company offered cluster fuzz as a free service to open source projects Now I think that this is Very exciting because a lot of times what you see with these open source tools once they are open sourced You see a lot of growth and engagement with them, especially from a security standpoint As well With the software tools this makes people's jobs a lot faster so that they can better protect the companies that they are working for And um, they even mentioned in the article here that cluster fuzz has already helped Uncover more than 16 000 bugs in chrome alone and more than 1000 or 11 000 bugs In over 160 open source projects with oss fuzz, which is the integration of it So just the fact that they are doing this is is huge It's very very positive and i'm really glad that they are opening this up to the oss community Much like writing a typo in a tweet Everything is best done in public because the flaws will be found Far faster than if you aren't left to do it yourself I think this is a very smart decision by google to open source it and and put it on github where These are you know, this is this is the the Place that everybody finds these kinds of products and and exactly And something to mention too with github is a lot of times with these open source tools You'll see really cool forks Which is to say that you'll you'll see the software But it'll be forked out into a brand new piece of software that will be used for something similar But maybe even something even better So we might see some really awesome growth with cluster fuzz in the future And we might even hear a lot about other tools that are made that make it even better So we will see um speaking about unintended Features tech crunch reports that many ios apps use services like glass box That record the screen when customers use the apps in order to replay them to observe interactions to improve the interface Mobile expert the app an analyst recently discovered that air canada's ios app wasn't properly masking these recordings Meaning personal info like passport and credit card numbers were being sent in the recordings tech crunch requested The app analysts to look at other apps and found that while most do properly mask data None indicated that the recordings were being made Theoretically this is because all the information is already being shared with the company Through the app. So they know what you're doing. They know what buttons you're pressing They know the time in which it is taking between you doing x y or z They have the vast majority of this data coming through Yet it's being recorded on your screen as well as that crossing a line snubs 100 yes Justin i think it is they say that theoretically the information is already being shared It's already available to the company but the company shouldn't be able to follow your actions from step one to step two in such a very um Such an invasion of privacy I wouldn't want somebody like looking over my shoulder and watching everything i'm doing when I open my email Like that's just not something that I want to have happen. I'm not necessarily trying to hide something in particular But it's just you can you can you can understand where companies would want the data from a quality assurance perspective, right? They want to make apps better They want to make the app more intuitive anytime that you run through an app that was garbage You would wish that they had understood your intuitive behavior better and this is Seems like a a push toward that But I do think that there is a line between getting all the data on how people are interacting with your service And recording the screen which you're not masking, you know And see there's an absolute place for that kind of usage like take when my mom wants to use log me in Uh in or I want to use log me in to test my mom's computer I want to make sure that she's using it correctly and figure out why she's having an error Like there's a time and a place for that but the fact that glass door And I quote they say that they don't enforce their customers to mention it In in their privacy policies or anything So these companies aren't making it clear to their users that they're doing this Whenever they want if they just made it available so that you know If you have some kind of usage report or an error report and they say hey We're gonna record your screen session so we can see why this is happening That would make a lot more logical sense to me But the fact that they can just do this whenever they want and they don't have to tell you That's the messed up part. And that the other thing is that when when we talk about okay. Well, these companies already have this information Yes, and And that you are You know Showing that kind of info you don't know how long these employees are going to be at that company the companies are not just these You know Unified bodies that move all together. They're like any other job people come people go Some people are trustworthy others aren't and I don't want to make this a fearmongering thing But I do think that it is the reason why we should put caution Uh in the lead in questions like this Absolutely Well italy We have a story on italy They will not ban huawei in zte from helping build the country's 5g network The industry ministry said in a statement today earlier on thursday the italian newspaper lastampa cited senior government sources saying that Rome was ready to use special powers to terminate contracts With the two chinese companies So this is part of an ongoing story that we've seen with huawei and zte being banned in Numerous countries and given that italy had previously stated that you know, they were going to This is kind of a turnaround. So we are we are seeing Finally one one country specifically that has decided that they're still going to Allow huawei and zte to help build that infrastructure Of course the controversy here and and we are no uh exception here in the united states is that Companies like huawei and zte are thought of by many although we can certainly have a conversation about exactly what the evidence is That these are that that a 5g network with a backdoor to the chinese government effectively gives up everything Like we are going to be pushing toward more and more 5g access because of the speeds and and throughput that it has So if you have a back end on that you literally have a back end for every possible interaction with the internet And huawei and zte are are certainly suspected even even down to the point where we're looking to extradite uh You know a senior official from huawei here to the united states for Uh, I guess interacting with iran improperly and and that's the thing we have seen stories and we have seen a lot of A a lot of I I guess people thinking on what this could be that's happening behind the scenes But we haven't seen anything officially come out with source material with information that we can actually you know Uh read ourselves that states that they have done any of those things however, there have been cases very recently where huawei has been Found to be be doing things that they should have been doing It's hard because if you are chinese intelligence the last thing that you want to do is be like, oh, yeah, sure Here's our back door. Here's everything on spying on the world We're gonna below market price 5g infrastructure and we're gonna make sure that we are the lowest bid for every country on the planet Well, I'm always of the standpoint of innocent until proven guilty, especially because I I remain skeptical But I based that on on proof material So I'm still waiting to see that proof material. Yeah I'm sorry. Go ahead Roger. I was gonna part of it is there's a there's a confluence of events that are happening that aren't They're related but not necessarily the same thing the thing with the huawei cfo Is for essentially fraud to us financial institutions that happen, I think three or four years ago Before the current administration and so You know, it's a case that's been brewing for some time and it and while it's related to the whole 5g thing It is not because of the 5g thing directly at least in in the court case. No, certainly not although certainly when it comes to gigantic businesses in china of many things are connected to You know the the the party and the government so it look I I agree with the skepticism I'm totally on board there, but I think this might be a situation where we can exercise a little bit of caution, you know Uh, the financial times reports, uh earnings from AT&T Comcast Verizon and charter all reduced capital expenditures in 2018 The first drop in investment in three years Net neutrality rules stopped being enforced in june of 2018 for the first time in about three years Sprint spent more than one billion dollars on infrastructure last year But told the financial times the increase was not due to change in the rules Uncertainty over the regulatory landscape may have made the change in rules irrelevant to investment decisions I don't know how much stake to put in something like this just because I I think the decisions on infrastructure for telcos are made Years in advance. This does not seem like it's something that would necessarily go on a hairpin turn I would like to see a longer sample size for this and yet I can totally understand the net neutrality Supporters saying wait a minute The whole point of this was that everybody the free market was supposed to run while we were supposed to have unlimited infrastructure spending Yeah, actually i'm probably going to surprise some people when I say this but um, I agree with you justin even though I am a very very dark net neutrality supporter and My opinions have been very well known on places like twitter as far as how I feel about the fcc and the federal level And their current dealings with net neutrality. I'm not necessarily going to say that seeing these numbers coming out from mobile carriers and coming out from telecoms Is necessarily impacted by what has happened with net neutrality or what has not happened with net neutrality We need to see a study over uh, maybe a course of a few years to really determine what's going on and Maybe see some more numbers from these companies as well I think we should keep the heat up because I don't think that these guys move unless people are yelling Hey, this was what you were supposed to do. Why aren't you doing this? Maybe we should talk more about net neutrality if you're not going to start ponying up and spending more on infrastructure Yeah, hey, you want to know what? That was a great conversation. That was nuance. That was fun And we got another one coming up for you But if you want all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes subscribe to daily tech headlines dot com All right, let's get into the big discussion story in january motherboard reveal that at&t T-mobile and sprint were selling their customers real-time location data to authorize licensed companies who then resell that data to Unlicensed businesses including bail bondsmen bounty hunters and car salesmen The telcos said that these incidents uncovered by motherboard were fringe cases. However Those dogged gumshoes there at motherboard did a follow-up report and found in internal records from a defunct data reseller sir care one around 250 bounty hunters and related businesses had access to at&t T-mobile and sprint customer location data with one bail bond firm using the phone location service more than 18,000 times and others using it thousands or tens of thousands of times now Obviously this was reported before this is not exactly new news But since we had snubs here somebody that is is doing the lords work and spreading around information on exactly How insecure many of the things that we use are I thought that this would be a good opportunity For us to just have a larger conversation about not only things that we have open and accessible in our own homes But also whether or not we do need to have a conversation about Exactly how much we are broadcasting on the little miracle slates we have in our pockets known as smartphones So let's start here snubs does this surprise you that uh, uh It wasn't the telcos selling directly to bail bondsmen and bounty hunters But uh, certainly through a few middlemen Does it surprise you that this information got into the hands of car salesmen and bounty hunters? Uh, it doesn't at all. Um, I was kind of assuming that this was going to happen because as soon as they said Yeah, it's not a big deal. Like this didn't happen very often. I was like, no, there's got to be more to this The fact that they that motherboard was able to do it so easily It just tells me that if somebody else had very like a nefarious use case or You know for a bail bondsman if they really wanted to find that location data, they could Of course, they're going to especially if it's inexpensive and Some people can look at this especially the motherboard article that was posted this week and say Well, I'm just going to throw away my phone because there's no point in having one in my pocket anymore because everybody can track me And you know, no who knows what people are going to find out about me Well, there are ways that you can turn it off. So you don't necessarily have to be tracked if you don't want to So there's a lot of ways that you can implement your own security So that this doesn't happen and not only that but AT&T T-Mobile and sprint along with, you know, other carriers Google fi has said they don't even do this from the from the start, which is great But these other ones that did do it all of them have come out and said Hey, if we did do it, we are start stopping it We're slowing down that sharing of customer data and it's going to end in the spring time Or if it hasn't already ended it will end in a couple months. So hopefully they're telling the truth when they say that Sure That means that a lot of those issues that we've had are are going to end And by the way when we talk about things like 5g networks and and what kind of information would come from owning 5g networks Things like where your device is pinging off towers Which is the data that that was being gleaned here Is some of the stuff that would be available to somebody that would own them Which is part of the reason why you want to be careful about it. Now that being said Shannon do you believe that we Should on the device side either be taking more care personally or That you know android and ios and some of the other operating systems need to be taking the lead and understanding All right, but maybe you should be more aware and a lot of they should be Opt in or per use when it comes to pinging your location everywhere There's a lot to impact there. Justin. Yes. I know I asked the rich meaty questions here Well, yeah, as as much as I think that companies should hold themselves accountable for our security and privacy I also know that they they use a lot of that data Monetarily and they make a profit off of that information So I've always taken this is we are talking about the telcos here Yeah, in general really a lot of companies just use our data whether it's location data or or personal data about like voting records and stuff like that They just use that data monetarily for profit because they can sell it to data aggregators And in this case they were able to sell that data or share that data with location aggregators And that's where all this debacle started even though that was legal and that was totally fine contractually It's the point where those location aggregators We're selling it to other people And that's the problem that you have with larger companies is that you don't know where that information ends up If they legally are able to sell it once Who knows what the other people are doing with that data And if they're even securing it in the first place on their servers like there could be issues there So I always try to take a stance of if there's a way that I can protect myself better Then I'm going to do it whether it's turning off location data or like high accuracy on android I believe it's called you can just turn on gps location accuracy instead Or I'll hide my phone in a in a faraday bag or faraday purse which basically cuts off any kind of Transmissions to and from the phone whatsoever So that nothing can be seen about its location or any of the data that's coming off of it So there's a lot of things that you can do to protect yourself Because we can't necessarily trust companies to do that for us And I think that's the big thing is you just you never know how well somebody is going to protect yourself unless you're the one doing it yourself All right, we're going to move off the phone for a second here because I do want to move this a little bit further out This is not the same issue But I do think that it is related in the idea of us being better educated and understanding How interconnected and how much we are sharing online one of the things that I become fascinated with over the last few weeks Is a website called shodan Where in you can find uh, uh open ports on webcams printers And and every other internet of thing Device but just give us a primer for people who have no idea Uh, you know exactly what sites like these are snubs can just give people a little primer On the things that you can find on on a site like shodan. Yeah, so um shodan is over at shodan.io I've been to that website. It's it's totally legal. You can find it on google, which is amazing But it's a search engine that allows you to find IP addresses of devices that are Fully open and public to the internet now normally whenever you buy a device It's supposed to be closed down behind A firewall basically like like if you put it behind a Router in your house It should be behind some kind of firewall so that it's not So that its data isn't getting out into the wilderness where anybody can check check it out Well shodan makes it fairly easy for you to search online for a specific device like if you're looking for a Device manufacturer that makes cameras like security cameras You could search for those specific kinds of security cameras on shodan And then you could see which ones are publicly accessible You could click on them and you could potentially see a live stream of that camera Going straight through to your web browser Potentially definitely you can go and see people's grow houses and children And uh gardens and living rooms These are open and available. It is worth it if you have anything that is connected to wi-fi It's worth a google to see how you can secure it This is my this is my statement I'm not as good at this as I wish I was Hopefully these lessons are well heard as I know the very smart and intelligent dTNS listenership Will will take them to heart And luckily a lot of the things that you can find on shodan can be protected Some of them are just built that way with like default passwords that you just can't change and They're always going to be open and publicly accessible and you just should not buy those kind of products You should drag those to your trash and by that I don't Light your trash on fire Yeah If you're allowed to if there's a burning policy in your area that yes light them on fire if you want to But it's bad for our environment. We'll just put it like that e-cycle e-cycling is good But if you have the option then purchase one that is secure that allows for you know Upgrades that allows itself to be updated That has a security policy on their site that does third party audits That allows you to do something as simple as changing the password and potentially the username as well Things that allow you to you know, put it behind a router and still be able to access it things that should not be on the web publicly accessible There's a lot of Protocols you can take yourself again things that you can do yourself to make sure that those don't end up on sites like this Because it is a problem. It's a huge problem and a lot of those Devices that you can find on shodan can also be used in the future if they haven't already To create a bot to create ransomware or spread malware if you will across the globe So it's important to do your deal do diligence as a consumer to make sure you're buying secure products Indeed unsolicited plug for one of my favorite podcasts the dark knit diaries did a great episode The most recent one was about a hack in which somebody Email, I think we talked about it right here on this show Used shodan to find open ports on printers so he could alert people that their printers were insecure and that they should subscribe to PewDiePie Thank you for everybody who participates in our subreddit submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show Dot reddit.com and facebook.com slash groups slash daily tech news show Let's go ahead and check out this mailbag here. Sam a patron in oregon emailed in I recently was enjoying a vice podcast through my favorite podcatcher pocketcast I got a few episodes in and they announced that to listen to the rest. I would have to go to spotify it was free, but I had to download the app and I didn't have to the some of the features that pocketcast says Not a big pain, but it feels like they are moving more in the direction of exclusives and keeping people in their ecosystem Keep up the good work This obviously in reference to the gimlet and anchor purchases by spotify They are certainly making a move on apple to be challenge them for the the crown of podcast listening any any this worry you snubs Uh, not too much because I do most of my podcast listening just straight through youtube However, that in itself is its own ecosystem So I I wish that these all these apps were fully integrated where I could watch the podcast on youtube Yeah, I do Like through the app like the mobile app or I can understand it in in in the desktop, but you just play it And is it it's just like a star screen or is it? Audio podcasts that get uploaded to youtube that way I don't have to download another application because I do most of my work on youtube So it's easier that way I would encourage people if you enjoy podcast, please subscribe to their rss feeds because that's how That's how they are able to to have metrics for uh, uh advertising and such But certainly if they're uploading them to youtube like youtube has metrics All right, well, I'm trying not to have a talk with you, uh, but in the in the meanwhile, uh, shannon Thank you so much for being on the show. What do you got cooking? Well on my youtube channels Techthingtekthing.com, uh, that's where we just reviewed this gigantic ultra wide monitor. It's 48 inches wide. It was huge And very beautiful. 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I believe yeah, I believe it in the kevin smith joint Um, if you could stop your record, um, yeah But while he does that let's go pick a title at show about that chat road dot net Uh, some of the titles that we have how do we protect ourselves? I record your iphone Um, Amazon facial recognition civil rights rights, uh, might be too long Actually, it is too long google's google's open cluster fuzz That's funny AT&T sees what you did there Um Does everything either speed nor safety? Kentucky still has bourbon location Oh god I thought we were gonna do it. I thought I had faith in you people I thought we were going to get a show Without time on it, but the number one voted title wouldn't be a show without merit But yet you live viewers you devilish sons of bees You did it you did it again Number one a show without merit. I swear one of these days how zapped to the moon Zapp indeed Uh location data bounty New accessory fairday bag for your smartphone Any of those tickle thy fancy, uh, shannon or justin I like data like location data bounty. I think there's something to bounty hunter thing. That would be my my favorite, but, uh Uh, other than that I record your iphone is pretty good Get out of jail free data. I don't know if that really makes sense I like google's open cluster fuzz and I record your iphone Yeah, I I'll I'll I'll go with shannon here with the google's open cluster fuzz fuster fuzz it is Uh, and I am uploading right now to the slot Um So, uh Shannon Wow, how did you did you like pre-record all your stuff before you went to new zealand or did you record out there? Yeah, well, I took the two weeks off from threat wire. So I just didn't record anything for threat wire and then um And I was just like hey patreon's i'm gonna be gone and they were like hey, that's cool. No problem And I was like wow you guys are amazing. Thank you. I love you So they let me take the time off work, which was fine and then um tech thing Since that show is per week on patreon. I we pre-recorded those shows um, so that patrick wouldn't miss out on that income or anything and then um And then people kept on getting shows every week. So yeah, I had to pre-record Let's see the week before I left for new zealand. I did three videos in the week for three times Which is a lot of work. So I worked really late hours that week Yeah, you know, so I got a I got a trip. I'm gonna main ash. You're gonna go out to italy And so now I'm I'm kind of trying to think like okay. Well, how do I Yeah, do everything because I do a lot of stuff. I mean that's gonna be two night attacks. That's gonna be uh 10 episodes of jury daily that's uh six episodes of well, I guess even Wow eight episodes of The politics podcast like I I have a fairly high Burn rate. Yeah Yeah, I'm trying to think like I mean do I need to start working on this like now and stockpiling stuff But a lot of the when do you leave? May and okay. Yeah, well for things that aren't like time sensitive like you could do interviews or You could do like I don't know Not news newsy videos. You could do like wrap up Yeah, I've agreed. I'm actually I'm actually kind of thinking like I don't know if I want to try like a guest host. Well, I was about to say like you are doing what tom Uh, it's with tom at zero way. You're essentially doing that. You're filling in. Is there anyone That you feel confident enough see that's the problem is that I do everything by myself all the ones that are really a pain in the butt I'm doing by myself You know what tom had that same issue and you know slowly I mean, that's why I'm here and and sarah is is great to have Because you know in case he has to go out or he wants to take a vacation He's not like oh my god. What am I gonna do things can still kind of roll on Um, and it doesn't necessarily interrupt the flow of the show as we all know, you know Be able to coax tom into doing something for the politics podcast I know he listens and that would be a joy To to do but I don't know if there's any way that I could put The weight of doing some of the the more frequent things that I do on the shoulders of somebody that already does their own Daily program. I feel like that would just be uh, I would be ashamed to even ask How much how much production work do you need to do on that show? Like it's more prep It's it's way more prep than it is Uh, uh editing or anything like really all I've I've radically stepped my game up in the new year And it effectively just means that I'm running noise processing through partition Uh, it's not a tremendous amount of time afterward, but it is it's solo show which that's that's the other thing is that I'm I talk unbroken for an hour and that's having gone through that Like doing it as live It's not a skill that I think is is easy to have and that's not me patting myself in the back This is me understanding that I've walked myself into a lobster trap Uh, where now nobody else can kind of do this show that I can just ask to kind of You know wake up out of bed and do it I would definitely consider like maybe not for all of your shows But maybe just taking the week off because stressing yourself about doing shows right before vacation is really really hard Especially like going into it and then you're still stressing about making sure that it goes out on time and everything Like that's really hard to deal with when you're trying to deal with the vacation Yeah, more more than likely there will probably be missed jury episodes Um Yeah, your fans will understand like I'm like I'm supporting you on patreon I'm still going to support you on patreon whether you do or when that week or not Well, just and I was going to say as a listener to the the jury daily if you were to Uh do something somewhat like you did when uh when you went to the conventions and when you went to England where you just recorded something on your phone about what's going on right then kind of shared that experience Um that I thought that was really genuine and really interesting And if you could do that recording and just get it to someone else do the actual publishing of it You know little editing and publishing and all you would be responsible for would be the five ten minutes to record something while you're Actually actively doing something else and I think For me as a member of your audience, I would be More than happy with that even if it wasn't exactly daily Yeah That's actually more of a philosophical question because having done Having kept the the plate spinning while on vacation before in italy and in japan I I kind of wanted to make sure that This trip. I was not doing anything. I had to do like that. I wanted to be able to Disconnect and enjoy uh, you know italy is a place that I've long wanted to go and and uh I'll be meeting some people there So it's like I really want to connect and I don't want to be I know me And I know that I'm going to get to a point where at some point I'll be stressing that I can't find a cafe with appropriate wi-fi or 5g to upload something or um You know, I just don't want to be walking through the coliseum and thinking. Oh, is this good content? like should I should I be recording how uh, uh, How amazing this stuff is Like I I I don't want to rope off myself doing anything while I'm out there because I'm sure I will I like doing content. I will want to do it But I want to make it spontaneous and not like I like I have a news hole to fill So I don't know. Uh, I guess that that's that's a long way of saying wow. Wow. Wow. Aren't I a baby? I have Do podcasts while I'm on vacation boo-hoo Well, I mean What you you just like I don't we don't get pto. We don't get time off work We're expected to have videos out every week and I think that when when you explain that to people they understand Um, yeah, I know and I'm also a crazy person and part of it is like I I like I I have a very Uh, I I just trust vacation. I don't like it. I don't want you to get burnout, dude. Well, I but sure I I don't know. I'm a lunatic and I don't think that you're a lunatics Just take a freaking vacation. I know but It's not that easy like I literally if I'm if I just said I'm dark all of it. I'm done with all of it I'm not doing any I'm not doing any politics. I'm not doing any Uh, uh anything then effectively I am I don't even want to count it up, but it would be over It would be close to 30 podcasts that I wouldn't do and 10 newsletters That I wouldn't do I'm doing a lot of stuff. It's like that's a lot. It's one thing. It's like, I'm not gonna do my show Cool, but I'm I'm gonna say that to a lot of different people Yeah, that's a lot of work So, um, um, uh, anyway, well, what's man, what happened with that state of the union? Uh Why is sarah not roger answer for sarah since she's not here, uh, how is she not How does she not have the air buds on here? Yeah, maybe sarah stepped or drudger stepped away Oh, I think roger's muted Sorry, I'm muted. I'm muted. Yeah, um I was typing upset. Why is it not I think I think those are just the choices they picked Like they they selected like these are the three that I like I know she personally did not Wasn't a fan of the earbuds. Yeah, so she was looking for an alternative Alternative, yes, what are they called? They're called air buds, right? I have them Air buds just makes me think of a gold retriever making baskets. Yeah, okay Make you wear air pods You cowered That's my comment on the patriot Use use the buds Yeah, but for you wear air pods you cowered There we go sent that's I'm officially spamming the dts patreon All right, um, you guys want to take this offline? Uh, yeah, oh wait. Yes, let uh say goodbye to the uh viewers on the youtube stream Thank you for joining us everyone else on the audio stream stand by as we yak some more. Yes