 How many of those games do they have? Too many like 20. I can't even I like yeah, I only played the last two so I don't know There's an assassin's creed every year now at this point Yeah, they slowed it slowed it down a little bit, but it's pretty much like that kind of franchise for sure French fries franchise Franch you are video game French fry. You want to be part of it? You hear what you want to hear I I heard banking instead of baking Well, I ordered some deep dish pizza from a new place last night now boy was it delicious Was it Chicago style? It was Was it Hollywood pies it wasn't no it's called masa It which is a bakery and it's just something I got on caviar, but boy was it good This is gonna be a problem for me. See I've found out there's a fresh brothers near me and Fresh brothers makes amazing pizza Yeah, it's not a fresh ingredients blah, but you know that's their thing But they're it's not Chicago style, but it's really really really good pizza And that's a problem for me now because I found it on door-dash and it's free delivery. I Love a good deep dish. I Really do you get like a personal sized and just had to eat it through the entire week Totally. Yeah, I got the smallest size thinking like well, maybe this isn't enough and it's like I had one piece and was like dead and There were five pieces total and it will last me the entire week. Are you serious a personal? Yeah, I mean, it's it's a very deep dish. Okay. Why am I the trend that place now? It's not a fish. It's a casserole Yeah, it's not a really pizza It's something that looks like pizza, but is four feet deep Cornbread will put the cheese on the bottom of the saw Just a delight. Oh, I was so happy Chicago. It's not how to live They really do they should make that a bumper sticker and then they move here and then he figured out Shoulders Chicago is for eaters Sausage it's the big pizza You guys ready to do this this year. I think so. Yeah, all right. Well, then let's begin shortly here I Think Lamar could you read line three? Yes, sir. Thank you Just made that decision the last minute. So yes, you did five four three two one Thanks to everyone who supports daily tech news show directly to find out more hits a daily tech news show calm slash support This is the daily tech news for Monday October 29th 2018 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt and from studio feline. I'm Sarah Lane Also Los Angeles. I'm Lamar Wilson and I'm the show's producer Roger Chang In the fringes of the LA County area Mmm Cringes I like that show so much effort to describe where Roger is He's so secretive. He is lurking Location hey, we're gonna talk about of course the big news the red hat merger We're also going to discuss the idea of subscribing to your apps instead of buying them from an app store Let's start with a few other tech things you should know While Martin is testing an automated store called Sam's Club now in Dallas, Texas The company will use it to try out new technology a scan-and-go app Let's customers scan items that they put in their cart and then pay for them on their phone And Apple also use machine learning to help create shopping lists and map out the best route throughout the store I was just talking about that yesterday Microsoft is adding sandbox mode to its windows defender anti virus software the mode keeps the program isolated from the rest of Software running on a computer reducing the chance of damage spreading just like chrome the UK easy jet airline Said it is moving to the next step of engine development for an electric passenger jet aimed to be used on 500 kilometer routes by 2027 easy jet is developing the aircraft along with right Electric which will test the engine in a nine-seat plane next year. It's already On a two-seat plane Boeing back to Sunam and Siemens also developing electric motors for aircraft saves on fuel Emits less carbon theoretically. So there you go. Check it out All right, let's talk a little more about that big ol merger acquisition. Whatever you call it. What's something big happens Oh, okay. I'll just read this IBM has agreed to acquire red hat for 34 billion dollars One of the largest tech acquisitions in US history IBM intends to make red hat a unit in its hybrid cloud business The deal is subject to regulatory Approval and red hat shareholder approval and is suspected to close as early as the second half of next year So I guess not to be cynical here I knew IBM has been working in the background for years didn't know they had 34 billion dollars in cash Just kind of hanging around that server business is doing quite quite well there IBM's big business is cloud The third largest cloud provider But they are huge in the in the larger enterprises what they first Well at one point. Yeah, I think yeah Yeah, it's it's now you got Microsoft Azure you got Amazon web services out there and IBM wants to move back We're not back, but they they want to expand that marketplace. So red hat is going to be their sales Juicer it's kind of it's gonna inject love into this by providing A an open platform that fits in well with IBM's existing open platform That is trusted and is a big business Lot of people see this different ways. I've seen people say Exactly what IBM needs It's the sales injection from red hat that it needs to expand its cloud business at a time when it needs to expand It's cloud business. I've seen other people say red hats on the decline This ain't gonna save it to rats on a sinking ship doesn't make the ship go back up It's not exactly. I'm thinking I I mean IBM's listing. It's not Yeah, it's you know, it is it is not have the rosiest of earnings reports all the time It's not not in you know disaster mode or anything But if it wants to keep growing it has to do something big and this is something big Yeah, I was just watching them on CBC today actually last week just looking at their stock in there They're doing pretty well for a name that I just haven't really heard or thought of for For some years. Yeah, this you know, this sent the stock rising up Considerably and you know, I wish to I wish the best for them. I don't understand really what redhead did beyond I know it's Linux either one of you want to just just in case someone doesn't know I want to explain what they do red hat is the poster child for how to make money off an open source platform, right? So so Linux is an open source Operating system that anybody can download for free and use but what you want is the service level agreement What you want is the support staff that says hey, you're running this on your servers You're running this in your enterprise will make sure that it's running Well, we'll provide the service and support that you need To make sure that you have everything you need to keep it running We'll provide regular patches and updates to you etc etc etc. So they they sell those kind of contracts Similar to why Microsoft has moved Windows 10 to be free to consumers But they still sell licenses to the enterprise because those licenses include the ability to push out regular updates provide sales and support or support directly so That's essentially what they're doing and red you don't Recognize it as well as Windows because there's no consumer version of red hat similar to a Windows 10 for your desktop, right? Thank you. That's great. Yeah, I hope that's one plus one plus announced the one plus six T phone come into the US on T Mobile also will be compatible with Verizon the six point four one inch phone comes with a snapdragon 845 chipset and in-screen Fingerprint sensor won't have a headphone jack and will not include USB C headphones in the box Anyway, the one plus six T will be available from November 1st starting at five hundred forty nine dollars Yes, I'll be getting my hand on this this week. They confirm. They're gonna gonna send it to me I mean, I guess I'm most interested in that in-screen fingerprint scanner never play with a phone that has that You know, but the price looks great doesn't I mean five forty nine dual cameras that that kind of newer technology in it The one of the latest chipsets that's being used. I I mean for an Android phone looks great. What one tweet I saw said You mix this and the and the pixels cameras and if you were to combine it of like a Google bottom Maybe like the perfect Android phone. I don't know if you all agree with that No headphone jack no USB C input Lamar does that does that Headphones in yeah, yeah, they don't put them in a box Headphones on it. I I'm blue tooth now. I've been blue tooth for the last couple years I'm not I'm not dismissing people who have strong feelings about that. It's just not my use case anymore And you know, this is this is not the highest level phone you can get but it's also five hundred forty nine bucks I mean one plus has built their name on saying we're making high-end phones But we make them at a price you can afford for, you know, four hundred dollars five hundred dollars, etc This is really not that much of an improvement on the one plus six It provides that under screen fingerprint sensor, which is nifty and kids rid of that phone jack not nifty You know and a couple other tweaks here and there, you know cameras nice I Think with with the they sort of receding Essential not make coming out with another phone. This one takes over in my mind the sort of best Android phone you can get for the month but forget the Android for best phone you can get for the money Probably we'll see what the reviews are with yeah Speaking of phones, let's compare this to another phone. That's out today. That is much more expensive. In fact, it is about twice as expensive Sixty Verizon and AT&T will begin selling the red Hydrogen one phone for a thousand two hundred ninety five dollars starting November 2nd This is the one that has a holographic screen And then of course the proprietary ability to record 3d video that can be played back on the holographic screen Verge is not impressed they've been playing with it for a couple weeks and Says in the verges words does not live up to the hype So, you know, maybe it's a victim of never never by first-generation technology and it'll get better I don't know that just having a Holographic screen even if it lived up to the hype would be enough for me to want to spend this much money on an otherwise Okay phone, I mean it's it's it's it's just got a regular top-end phone specs It's not an improvement on the iPhone 10 or the s10 from Samsung. Yeah, I mean, it's a older chipset Doesn't have what I was reading it doesn't have it's not waterproof. It doesn't have it's not dust-proofed It's it was delayed The cameras are okay like and I'm just wondering like how to justify that price it even it Was said that 3d is not more impressive than the 3ds than the Tyndall 3ds that came out years ago So I wonder who who except that the take hits are really gonna be interested in this song I don't think it's gonna sell well. It's not so much the price. The price is high. The price. Yeah The price is high, but I mean, it's you know, basically what I paid for my latest iPhone. Yeah, exactly I Do now so you're not I would compare it to the galaxy s10 and the iPhone 10 s and it doesn't very well Even if the holographic screen is crazy cool. It you're just not getting as much for your money I don't think well, especially if you know if you've got a holographic screen And you have the ability to to record video and then play back in a really cool way on that screen You end up being like hey Lamar. Look at this on my phone. Look look what it can do Yeah, it's it's it's it's it sort of ends up Yeah, it's a little bit of a party trick. Well, what's disappointing is that the the camera quality is just okay Yeah, and it's red, you know, this is a company that's made its name in digital cinematography This is the sweet. We were the first to come out with a 4k, you know camera and the whole workflow and this is your phone That's the best excellent point if they'd come out with this a year ago It would compare more favorably to the s9 and the iPhone 10 But a year old processor and a phone that's selling for $1,300 Well, maybe you'll like this next one Tom researchers at MIT built a software program called be me That's be me the lets people suggest actions for a hired actor to perform and then vote on which action that Acture that actor should take next so it reminded me of subservient chicken But actually real starting at 10 p.m. Eastern time on Halloween That's tomorrow the internet can help a human player in his or her quest to defeat an evil AI as it's Described when the social experiment begins the audience will be able to hear and see what the actor experiences But won't be able to make the actor perform any command that might endanger dignity or privacy or Well-being the experiment is not unlike twitch plays Pokemon You might remember that was a viral experiment back from 2014 which holds the Guinness World Record for having the most Participants that's one million one hundred sixty five thousand one hundred forty players in a single player online video game So there is something to the hive mind Telling somebody what to do and what to do next is anyone going to participate in this tomorrow I might I don't know I might I mean, I'm not going out for Halloween. So You might might be my might be my Halloween party I think the thing I like about this the best is the MIT folks working on this are saying We're doing this to see how the audience uses it. This isn't publicity stunt like subservient chicken This isn't just a fun thing, you know, that we're throwing up on twitch They're actually studying like how does the internet coalesce around this sort of thing Which people stick around even though their choices aren't always used because it's a hive mind Which people, you know go in for a couple of times and then get bored and wander off It's it's a really interesting study of internet behavior that I think is important more now than ever when we're Attributing all kinds of effects on the real-world world to internet behavior without doing enough to understand what causes internet behavior I think the fact that this The at least for this particular experiment tomorrow is a human actor This is the person who's going to be you know again within reason Going off what the internet is is telling The the article called it a hymn. So perhaps there's already a male actor that's been This promo video shows a male as well. Okay, so yeah, we'll we'll call it a hymn. That's interesting Okay, but I think that you know it points to again This is this is actual real research. Would this be a human in the future? Maybe maybe not Maybe it's a robot. Maybe it's an AI type of a situation But yes does the does the greater internet have the best interest in mind for this? particular actor whether it's human or not to To to defeat whatever game they're playing. I don't know It's it's I'm gonna have to see it in action, but I'll definitely be checking in Yeah, go ahead Lamar. I was gonna say real quick years ago revision three This was done with a human and that you know, it was a youtuber who kind of had had the The crowd or the audience control their life, you know, so that you know, and it didn't go well So this type of thing, you know, it has been around I'm interested that it's gonna be in digital form Yeah, at this point to see yeah, just like Sarah said how how are people gonna treat this man? Also the MIT researchers are saying you can you can nominate whatever you want it to do But we will put some barriers to say like, you know, you can't cause himself He can't be doing anything undignified or cause himself or others harm stuff like that So, you know, there's no reasonable guardrails on it to yeah to keep it interesting All right speaking of interesting that segue was great Sony announced 20 games that will ship on a miniaturized PlayStation classic when it goes on sale December 3rd for 99 99 the Sorry something popped up there the list varies by region the US version now adds Grand Theft Auto Metal Gear solid Rayman and Rainbow Six though no crash bandicoot or Tomb Raider games The Japan version will come with parasite Eve and saga frontier so Yeah, I looked at the full list and You know, so there was you know, I was it is no spiral Which a lot of people wanted but spark they're coming out with it, you know, refresh trilogy I can see why Activision kind of held that back I mean, it is what it is. I know some people are not happy about the the list But I just think what the different rights and things going on This is probably the best they can do for you know for because everybody's doing these remasters now Want it on there to be get people who are buying the people Thing of the most excited gamers wouldn't you want them to get excited about your old title again? So they'd be more willing to buy the new stuff. I If I was a developer, I would but maybe they feel like that threat that's gonna threaten the new game That's gonna come out. They won't have they won't want to buy the new one if they I just don't Like I don't I don't think it does either Courage is it? Yeah Is it are you all in a PS one gamers and any either in what I used to be Hey when I my ps3 so this is the one thing that bugs me and this bugs me with all these You know Nostalgic like we're gonna package all the old games you love into a little You know version of the thing that you play it as a kid or when you were younger Is that a lot of these games were available on the ps3 because ps3 supported ps1 Backward compatibility you just buy it online. You pay like five bucks and you would get the game. I Guess people want the little you know you guess People want it, but it's not the same hardware, you know, it's it's it's an emulated system Them being excited, but it doesn't change the fact that people go crazy for this. I know I don't understand it You know what it is when Nintendo started this, you know with it with the NES. It's a collectible like mine sits on a shelf like I don't have Only if people come over and they're like, oh, what's that? Do we play it? But it's it's a collectible that you can say hey I have this miniature thing that has 20 games on it. This one comes with two controllers. I mean, yeah I mean people spend money on work stuff. Yeah, I it probably won't get used more than a few times But I think it's cool. It's the same reason people buy candy in the shape of other food Even though it doesn't taste It's a cute little thing that's kind of like the real thing like there's something fascinating about that I ate sour gummies in the form of octopuses over the weekend. So that's a thing No, I'm sure didn't All right, it was good though Well, folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to daily tech headline dot com xda reports That back in late june an xda recognized developer quinny 899 or karen quinn of mighty quinn apps spotted A play store feature called play pass In the development code. Okay, so this was not in the public publicly released version of play but in the development code There was a reference to some kind of play store feature called play pass and it's still there nine to five google Looks today and said yep. We still see it too This week karen's friends sent a screenshot of a survey They received in google opinion rewards, which asked how well the name pass Described a service that offered hundreds of dollars worth of apps and games for a monthly fee Now they didn't mention how much that fee would be also. They didn't call it play pass But it was a google survey. So xda, you know puts one and one together and gets two It sounds like google has at least investigating the idea Of a subscriber option for google play now To figure out what that would be everybody reporting on this story has gone through the same exercise saying well A lot of games are free within app purchases. So those wouldn't be part of it Uh, it's games are very obviously the the biggest thing for a subscription service So it's probably not just going to be full of productivity software So the guess is they would have to put together a group of high level software That's mostly games that you buy once and play forever and offer it as a monthly service Probably with a limited number of apps that you could choose from you could you couldn't you know Just download hundreds of hundreds of apps because presumably once you've added it you get to keep it It doesn't go away. That's the other part of this that that would be unclear until such a thing were to actually launch I wanted to discuss on the show today What do you what do you think of the idea of of a subscription serve? We got so many subscription services for clothing for food Obviously for movies and tv shows. What about one for apps? um I'll go first. Um, I I have a big feelings about those because I I see what they're doing and i'm a user of the xbox game pass Uh, I know playstation has their you know equivalent Game pass out there. So if you're talking about games I see where this could be beneficial. But you know being on mobile I don't see how they could do more than five bucks a month You know, there's there's something like that and they had high level games that you can that you know She can play as much as you want That's cool. But then you know like what if you stop it, you know, does it disconnect? You know, there's app disappear, you know, what what happens? Um, but to answer your question about subscription service. I yeah, I think it's out of control Uh, you you you end up like I mean, I'm I'm subscribed to Netflix and uh youtube tv and and uh now I have the dc service and I'll have disney service I'm like, what happened to good old cable that we all wanted to cut cords from tom. Thanks to your show Well, what happened? What happened to good old cable now? Now we're we're back spending more Uh with all these subscription services. I don't know. Well, but I mean lemar you you mentioned five dollars if it was five dollars a month for No, not unlimited games and apps, but uh a higher number of apps than you would probably buy otherwise You know, I liken this to a music subscription service That's why ten dollars a month works for me because I'm just not going to buy all the stuff There's just no way so even though. Yeah, I don't own it and yes if I were to stop my uh apple music subscription That would go away While I'm still you know You know, I'm paying for it I have so much more Access than I would otherwise I I find it to be a really good use of my money adobe creative cloud is another example of something where I'm like Actually kind of paying a little bit more than what I need But that's just the way it goes these days because that's you know, that's that's the subscription model that um That adobe and many other companies have have decided will actually get them more money in the long run And you know, it's kind of like leasing a car right for people like me It's like well, okay It kind of it kind of works out. Well at least the sticker shock is is minimal per month even though in the long run I'm going to be paying more. I think it all depends on yeah What is exactly offered in this what apps are excluded? Um if there were a subscription model for this You know, do you because a lot of apps are free and a lot of apps are are you know It's going to be like going to bed bath and beyond you know You get your 20% off. Well, there's certain things that like aren't actually part of that 20% off right because they're they're too high right So I think I think we need a lot more information before I you know say whether it's a good idea or a better idea We're just saying well, what what would be the subscription service that we'd be willing to pay for it would have to be something I think it's playstation plus that lets you keep the game that you're getting as part of your your monthly subscription You have to choose to download it So if you don't download it you don't get to go back and get it later But once once you've downloaded as part of the subscription of yours So I would think it would have to be like that anything I get through play pass would have to be mine forever After that and and it would then probably be a rolling number of like limited like maybe a dozen titles a month That you could you could choose from um I just don't know that it would be compelling enough for me to do it I'm not that much of a mobile gamer where I always have to have new titles I'm sure there are people out there that are and this would probably work for them And I can't imagine there would be enough other non-game titles that would Really contribute to me getting the most out of my device to make it worthwhile So so let me ask you this it might sound a little controversial You're to the google people. So excuse me if it does but but but the stats are clear, you know, don't like me That the stats are pretty clear that that uh on an average when it comes to spending money On ios. It's a greater percentage. You know, they sell less phones Then andra andra is it's huge, but you're saying developers still tend to make a little more money off apps on ios versus Yeah, yeah, they can't seem to get the same amount of people even with more devices to spend money on google That's pretty it's just a way that it is right now. Yeah, yeah No, so so that was that wasn't a criticism My thing was are they coming out with this and And as a way to try to get those numb, you know, those sales numbers up with discovery I'm not saying andra people are cheap. I'm just saying maybe maybe it's just a discovery issue So don't write tommy right write me on No, but uh, your your point is is is is perfectly right right on point I I think this is a way for them to help developers make more money out of the play store for sure Yeah, yeah All right, uh, that's that's it for the play pass But we want to hear from you if we'd back at daily Thanks also to everybody who participates in our sub reddit You can submit stories and vote on others that are submitted by your peers at daily tech news show dot reddit dot com Want to hang out in facebook? Well, good news. We're there too facebook.com slash groups slash daily tech news show All right amateur traveler chris christensen is back and he has a few security tips this time if you're using credit cards for travel This is chris christensen from amateur traveler with another tech in travel minute news just came out from hong kong's air carrier cathay pacific that more than 9.4 million Cathay pacific and cathay dragon passengers have been affected by a data breach yet another data breach in the news Now, I don't know what data was stolen But certainly one of the things I think about is credit cards And I would challenge you that you don't need to leave your credit card at every Website that you use one at including buying airplane tickets You're probably not going to need to get access that fast that you couldn't just enter a credit card number again That might help you or even better yet. You could use a one time Credit card number that you can get from many banks that can be used just for this purchase And then even if somebody gets that credit card number it's of no use to them So think about that when you're using your credit card online If only we could protect the websites from being breached in the first place chris christensen from amateur traveler. Uh, it's good advice chris. Thanks for that. Good good tips there Uh, let's check out the mailbag. What do we got in there? Uh, we got a great email from bruce who was responding to our discussion on our round table last friday with uh, with um, Wendicolle and ashley oscata. We were talking about privacy and how do you get people to care about privacy? Do we need laws in place? What do we do bruce says you discuss some ideas around laws that could help protect privacy And somebody mentioned there's a class of user who just can't be bothered beyond that though Companies actively encourage users to give up their privacy to the point of bribing them The first time my youngest daughter came to ask me for a facebook account Was because her game promised her gems if she linked it to a facebook account Which she didn't have a game that markets itself to i think for Age four and over users. So, you know quite young who are far too young to understand the implications of that action Bruce says for the record. She does not have the facebook account Yeah, no, just just just to take a step back Marking a game four plus doesn't mean it's marketed to four year olds Marking a game four plus means there is nothing in this game That is uh, that is going to be a problem for anyone from four all the way up So, you know it the way he wrote it makes it sound like this game is for four year olds And they want a facebook account. That's wrong Well, it it may be that the game is actually marketed at a wider range And they're saying hey if you log in with your facebook account, that's fine Where it gets dicey is giving you extra stuff when you know that your game is played by children because you have approved it for all ages Or almost no Thank you, bruce Uh, thank you very much bruce and thanks also to lamar wilson for being with us this fine monday lamar What's been going on with your world and how can people keep up with it? Well, you can check me out on youtube and youtube.com slash lamar wilson I do unboxings of all sorts of things i mentioned earlier that i'll be getting my hands on that uh One plus t uh sometime this week they they confirm they're they're shipping it out So i'm not one of those cool youtubers. They get it the day of you know, you know, i'm kind of like the third string You know like the dodgers. I'm sorry. I'm just kidding. But uh The farm league of app Write me don't write the show. Okay, i'm just i'm just playing but uh, yeah, yeah You can check about it on youtube. There'll be a video coming up. Uh today. That's pretty fun I have a wig on lamar just made a lot of people in boston very pleased I Yeah, no, that'll be cool. I'm curious to find out what you think of the 60. Um, yeah, i am too Keep an eye out at youtube.com slash lamar wilson And also keep an eye out at patreon.com slash dtns last friday was the second of my editor's desk columns Uh talking this time about the clorox advertising fiasco If you want to think of about it that way the idea that a thermometer maker was selling aggregated zip code zip code basically telling clorox which zip codes had high fevers Uh without passing along actual user information Whether that's a problem or not and I talk a lot in these about how the story is reported So check that out if you're at the five dollar level and above at patreon.com slash dtns If you have feedback for us We'd love to hear at our email address is a great way to do it feedback at daily tech news show dot com If you'd like to join us live, we'd love to have you. We're live monday through friday at 4 30 p.m Eastern 2030 utc find out more tell a friend daily tech news show dot com slash live tomorrow with apples announcements and more and our guest Sharon didn't talk to you then This show is part of the frog pants network get more at frog pants dot com The fireman club hopes you have enjoyed this bro Let me go ahead and sell some stock so I can afford that ipad tomorrow. Hold on one second Uh, okay done now I can for it Now i'm excited about it. I I mean From what i'm hearing it's gonna look pretty cool. You know the itch itch whatever I'm actually one of the light. I still use my pet Pretty great. I mean you're not alone many people do Yeah, you think you know the the market is declining, but you know I still use my tablet market is just Tired It's not dead Yeah, it's not something you should upgrade every year. I think I just like I think about macbooks It's a very stable market. It's just not growing and that's that's a problem for some people Yeah, yeah, like and I like I know the tech youtubers who would like get a new mac book every And I look they're reviewing them. So they they they should but like Um, I just it's just that's just a that's something I don't need to upgrade every year my computer. I just Couple years. Yeah, upgrade. Yeah, I'm not upgrading my computer every year Oh, yeah, I mean I get it if you're in the business to do it like, you know When I used to be more in the tech field I would I would do that I was upgrading every 18 months because you had to because I was like I'm right I've run out of storage and processor and As far as it can go like I have to get a new computer these days computers pcs desktops laptops. They last longer than they used to So my my macbooks is from 2012 and it still works Okay, well, no, that's no excuse for that. You need to Need to what I need to buy into the constant upgrade cascade lost was still on the air now I think it was actually well By 2011, I think maybe it wow, I remember the finale. I remember where I was. I think that was probably 2011 Um, google play play pass Google google play play pass try to say that three times fast. Yeah, I don't know You touch that may not be a good title It can be blue plus red hat equal green backs MIT creates puppet masters I like that word Hey, we're we're skimming over this whole walmart thing, you know, there's so I wish we could have talked more about that That's it. I know it was a quick hit, but that seems pretty interesting Because I was just talking to a friend. I said man, it'd be cool if I could just have a app on my phone That scan what I wanted and just walk out like like It's like Amazon go just not quite as Except you're using your phone. Yeah, I said it. Yeah, which I still think it's cool Well, man, if that ever strikes you, uh, you know, don't feel bad about saying Hey, I know you got this in quick hits, but I'd like to talk about it. We can always switch stuff around Yeah, I just you know, I haven't been on the show long enough to take, you know, any kind of like, you know Yeah, I mean, I feel kind of, you know, it's only been since what 2014 Longer than me wait I was like like your second show, I think it was a big blue buys a red hat Big blue buys a red hat Oh, that's good. I like that one. I like that big blue buys a red hat done. That's very clever Glad I thought of it. Okay. I saw him throwing million Red hat titles in there. You know, I was thinking like everyone's doing this kind of nostalgia play with the game console Maybe IBM can do like, hey, we're gonna reissue the original IBM PC No Like a mini version It will still be inferior to everything out there. So is the PlayStation one But it's cute is it cute taken If they can reissue the ps2s But you know, I always put in two titles. All right, I saw them both. They were funny You know what now I want my old 486 packer bell in a miniaturized from 1995 Yeah, I want to I want a mini packer bell now Packard bell that barely range. You know email DX That was my first computer a packer 46 ds. Packard bell. Yeah packer bell. Yeah, it was yeah, it was my first laptop was a 46 My last my last desktop was a through I know my my last desktop is the one I'm using right now. I upgraded from The IBM ps2 32 86 the keyboard of which is behind me To a packered bell 486 DX Wow Yeah, I think we used the big 86 1031 in high school But then yeah, then when I worked at best buy that they can't get 46 years are coming out Cool little computer. We used trs 80s in high school We used max we all had was a whole mac. You didn't use the ab abacus or Yeah, you mean a slide rule slide. Yeah We used them in drafting back in your day back in my day But that's an interesting idea like the the classic those would be great collectibles. I would buy it like a little little I don't know about packer bell But it'd be perfect because I got like a garage couple with a couple of them. I just so I'm cheap I would probably Buy an old IBM ps2 Or a trs 80 or something like that What I I still want the old apple 2 Platinum addition that had the Newt numeric keypad it's an apple too But it it actually has additional keys on the right for for the numpad And then get the apple 2gs upgrade that fit into the case That's the problem though is what do you if you have a miniaturized classic computer like that? How do you input it because the the reason you can do the consoles is you give them a regular size controller that plugs into it It's a little smaller. It's you get a couple of little tweezers that replicate your fingers like tapping and you go Well, they don't have to have bluetooth in it so you can like connect They don't have to like add some new technology in there So you can connect your keyboard or something to it or the bluetooth keyboard mouse getting the experience You know, you know what that experience what you do is You run like 20 different programs at the same time on your computer And then you open up like a word document and then you try typing out a paper on it Excuse me. It's word perfect. Thank you word Well word perfect No before corral bought it. Oh, we're going farther back. Yeah We're perfect 5.1 was my favorite star thing I used I remember it I used word start npr working with the corral bought it. It was terrible. I didn't like it after that That was the last version of it. I bought was the corral one the last the last dos Try to remember with the last us Uh, I used word 5.0 for the longest time. That was a dos version of word No, I think I used tandy's desk mate. They had a little text editor that I typed reports into Yeah, I never used lotus at all. I wasn't I just wasn't on that man wagon What I thought I was forced to be oh, yeah, the tech TV Yeah, it it it was a It was a love-hate relationship It was actually a pretty good program, but it just didn't work like any program That I had ever used now it's since Or since Yes, so you just had a lot of people being like this makes no sense You know, it's so weird to it. It actually was like really functional It to me it still boggles my mind how quickly um computing personal computing technology has advanced so quickly When sarah and I were in college when we used to edit videos at our desktop video editing class You were there on these mac quadras And you had to make proxy copies of your like 640 by 480 video because you couldn't edit it otherwise There's just a little post and stamp video and you're like And it was premiere Premiere was without that there was no final cut like it was It was all like everything was was moving from reel-to-reel to desktop video And we thought we were like this is the future. Wow I wish I had been it was really like it was a difficult class because it was hard to actually output anything Because of because of the the capabilities of the computers CJ can I can't export I think you're gonna get error. Mm-hmm. Yeah, they get to buy zip disks for the class. So yeah, I had bought like Had CD burrs weren't huge and you know flash drives were just a twinkle in some guy's eye who was coming up with usb Yeah, when I was in uh, University of Illinois journalism school we everything was on tape We did we cut cut reel-to-reel off for audio and we did uh, Sony cuts only edited in stations with three quarter inch tape I did that for audio class at the real I feel like I The real to real audio classes They were tough. Well, you know, what's funny is like I remember, you know in in in college. It was like, okay, we understand that everything's going to desktop video But my internship was at a news station They didn't know anything about that It was all old school and the editors were real good at it But it was for years after even I was out of college It took it took unless you were an avid editor and that was like a specialized thing where you'd have like A special editor in the avid room. Everybody else was still doing it All right for for many years afterwards avid used to be like a position. Yeah, exactly Yeah, there's that or media 100 and you had your own yeah media 100 You had your own special room that only you had the key for it Maybe like the the editor-in-chief like no one else could go into that room Right. Yeah, and they reserved it for like longer form documentaries This is for the important stuff all all your like daily hits on, you know, start bucks or whatever you can Do the old-fashioned way I actually worked with a shooter editor, you know, he he was really good at both and he was um He uh for whatever reason he kind of had an opportunity to move to you know, one of the newer systems And he's like i'm too old for this. I don't want to do it Just let me do it the way that I do it, but he was a news guy, you know, he he knew how to do Um the splicing the way that the way that it needed to be done And he was really really fast and I remember thinking like this is a tough position for somebody like him to be in That's that's when we talk about automation changing jobs That's a great example Yeah, automation made his job easier. It didn't get rid of his job It just said hey your job's going to be easier and he's like no, I don't want to I don't want it Yeah, so imagine if they said no, sorry You can't do it that way anymore and he's like then forget it. I'm going to leave Like that's the person who needs transitional help Right Have a have somebody come in and help him like no no no if you figure out if you learn how to do it Digitally, it's going to be fine or say great. Well, what do you want to do? Well, you know here are opportunities that you can you could change careers Well, and his whole thing was like I'm so good at this. Yeah, I I won't be faster. It's sort of like it's the way I feel about I can ski, but I can't snowboard If I try to snowboard, I'm just going to be like really crappy at it for a while Why don't I just stay skiing? Well and theoretically That guy could be faster on digital If everything else is equal eventually Yeah faster on cuts because he did it for 30 years or whatever, right? He's not going to do digital for 30 years So he's not going to get as good at it and when you're older you improve slower, you know, that just It just happens You know part of it is that you retain this institutional knowledge Because I see that it's it's not just the the the physical aspect of cutting reel the reel or whatever It's like the institute, you know under you understand how the workflow works all the way from an editor's desk out to the broadcast And you know it and you know how you know not how to screw it up And that's the important thing Like when you move to something new suddenly it's like, oh, there's all these things I didn't know are going to screw Somewhat up in the line where before I'm pretty sure that if I do it this way No one and you know, everyone's gonna be good. And I think there's uh, there's a hesitation because You know, you're the you're the old hand You should be really good at this and you try something new and you kind of suck at it initially people That's just an example of the kind of thing that you have to get good at something to get up get back You have to learn the that new institutional knowledge. So what I'm saying is Again, if if if apples to apples, he will be faster on digital But he's gonna have to go back to being 21 years old and spend 10 years doing digital There's that learning curve that you're like, I don't want to do that Yeah, and he's like, oh, well just spend another 10 years. Okay, you're older and so maybe you need to spend 12 years to get 10 years of improvement Uh, oh, oh, so that means you'll be either retired or dead by the time you get as good as you would be Totally. I mean it makes perfect sense to just be like, let me do it the way I do it Can't why do I have to animate on the computer? Can I just take some onion sheets and just you know, take a pencil to it? Why do I have to use uh, uh, uh, uh html editor? Let me just use text edit Oh, that was me. I hated html That sounds like I still use text edit. Yeah, there's a lot of people like that By the way, Lamar, I think you're looking quite cute on the show today Okay Because he posted on twitter Not cute I mean, I was about to say lunch later. I I'm not Wasn't sure where that was going. That's okay your tweet Thank you, Lamar you are cute. Thank you, sarah. Thank you. You all are full of it, but thank you I didn't say anything I know you're you're not full of it right to find out where this conversation goes Stick around audio folks video folks. This is the conclusion of today That's it Lamar is cute