 They're slouchy and snippy and doofy Stake my dwarf fanfic Here we go The Daily Tech news show is brought to you by listeners like us go to Daily Tech news show comm slash donate to learn how Go nuts No, Homer. That's donate But I'm sure Tom wouldn't mind doughnuts either visiting their sponsors This is the Daily Tech news for Wednesday July 15 2015. I'm Tom Mary joining me today Like most Wednesdays Scott Johnson chief of clan frog pants and nearly every Wednesday, that's true and Thank you for having me on as always Wednesdays are my some of my favorite days of the week There's there's only seven. Yeah, I've got seven favorite days of the week and Wednesdays one of them Yeah, it's at least in the top three, but thank you for having me here. No, man. It's great And I know you had to miss TMS this morning. So it's even more special or for me What's happening is, you know, when you try to run a small convention Millions of things seem to come And and when that's over man, will the suit the ceiling be smooth when you try to run a small convention. That's huge Yeah, I know what you mean man I actually don't really know what you mean because I've never run a convention But I I've seen you in action. So I can imagine. Let's tell the people some tech news. Shall we? Sure. All right. I'm in Google has announced their purchases on Google program according to tech crunch Partners can choose to show text in their mobile ads that says buy on Google Users who tap will go to a page where they can buy the product Google will host the pages and process the payments from a Google account while the merchants get to have some branding and handle product Fulfillment Google said it's a test of the feature They're doing a test with a dozen or so retail partners over the next few weeks with plans to expand availability to advertisers throughout The realm of the United States of America by late 2015 or early 2016 facts Scott and I are going to dig into this topic a little more because it has ramifications for all sorts of things going on in the Industry, yeah, I have many questions. We'll see if we can answer some of those later The White House is piloting a program to provide 275,000 that's triple zero's low-income families with free or deeply discounted broadband services This is all according to the verge in partnership with Google Cox Sprint and Century Link the program called connect home Plan to roll out in 27 cities across the United States. This includes the Choctaw Nation of Oklahoma It's kind of a big deal The plan will start trying to sign up families and grade school-aged children Google fiber will offer the free service in Atlanta Durham, Kansas City and Nashville Cox will offer broadband for 999 and that's per month in cities including Macon, Georgia, Baton Rouge, Louisiana and New Orleans The Department of Housing and Urban Development will require new public housing developments to support broadband going forward Which is I think the most interesting thing here best by PBS the American Library Association and boys and girls clubs of America We'll offer internet training for these low-income families and they'll start doing that in a number of cities as well So signing up families with school-aged children that that's good Providing free or low-cost access. That's good 275,000 families strung out across 27 cities. I looked it up 275,000 families is about 2.3 or really almost three tenths of 1% of the households in the United States So this is not a large percentage anything's better than nothing. I will grant you that well, and it's a pilot program They're going hopefully that means that's good point. They'll pick it up for a full series Yeah, I hope that I hope people enjoy the pilot US Justice Department and Europol have shut down the dark code dot-com online forum according to Reuters Operation shrouded horizon included the US FBI Europol and other countries including Brazil Israel, Nigeria and Australia US Justice Department has charged 12 people with crimes including conspiring to commit computer fraud Wire fraud and money laundering Europol said there have been 28 arrests and a total of 70 individuals are being investigated Among those charged was Johan Anders Goodmans of Sulebran, Sweden known as synthetic Who the Justice Department says is Darkoad's administrator residents of Pennsylvania, New York, Florida, Indiana, Wisconsin, Louisiana, Slovenia, Spain and Pakistan were all among the indicted. I looked around a little to see if this was What it seemed to be which was maybe the biggest sting of this type In the modern era and the information age and I couldn't find anything bigger or at the very least as wide-reaching Which I think is super interesting that we're we're starting We'll probably start seeing more of this but you're gonna start seeing more organizations like this being taken down for You know various hacking type infringements on humanity and I don't think this will be the end of that but Yeah, this is a big one man. It is it was a difficult forum to get into You didn't just run your tour router and pop on by you had to submit a resume show proof of previous criminal activity Get a sponsor to sign off on you and bring you in So they had to do some pretty snazzy I guess is a word for it infiltration to be able to get in here and take this down It's it's it is definitely a big deal in the infosec community for sure Well, I'm very much looking forward to Tom Clancy's operation shroud horizon Hey, by the way going back to the the home connect or the connect home story TV Zgon in the chat room says the cable company I worked for was trying to cut a deal with the Navajo nation to get right of way to send fiber over their land and give them free Internet as part of the deal, but they never seem to be very interested So maybe that's part of the reason Choctaw nation got involved there interesting Reuters is reporting that Apple's updated their iPod line. It's about time actually they've been Been sitting on the old ones for a while new iPod touch has an 8 megapixel eyesight camera The iPhone 6 is a 8 and m8 chips inside of the thing the price point for the revamped touch are as follows $399 us for a new 128 gigabyte model 299 for the 64 and 199 for a 16 gigabyte model all the new iPods as well as the shuffle and the nano are Available in brand new colors. We've got dark blue pink and gold at least gold is new Yeah, it's that champagne gold or shempled or gold pain. I'm not sure how you say it, but Yeah, I mean, I don't know. It's a it's still a very small screen. They didn't make it a day When it says iPhone 6 internals that means internals It's it's still the smaller iPod touch screen on the outside. You didn't get a six inch screen, but I Don't you know they have iPod they have Apple music coming out I guess the most interesting thing for me here is that the iPod has gotten to the point where they just roll out new versions They don't they don't make any big deal then you try to tack them on to another announcement Yeah, it's not Tim Cook up on a stage or anything But you know as a thing that you could look at in the marketplace and go well if it's got that camera That's pretty pretty awesome. This makes this a really great point and shoot and everyone's always looking for a point And shoot that doesn't have to have a some kind of contract to tide to it So I feel like even more than the music side of it, although with Apple music Maybe that changes things but the focus here is probably camera and apps and there's still plenty of kids who want them Phone jets so yeah, there's I did not note the author and so I apologize for not giving credit properly But someone out there who is writing up this today pointed out that you get a $50 Android phone parrot with one of these and Suddenly you've got a pretty I mean yeah, you have to carry two items But it's a whole lot cheaper than an unlocked iPhone 6 or 6 plus. That's a really good point. Yeah Just use the use the other contract. That's great Or you can buy a cheap HTC phone new affordable desire phones are coming to the US according to Engadget All of them are built on Qualcomm's quad-core Snapdragon 210 with eight megapixel rear cameras and Micro SD and micro SD XC card slots. You can get up to two terabytes in there The desire 520 comes to cricket wireless 526 to Verizon t-mobile and AT&T get the 626 and the 626 s Will be prepaid only prices will vary by carrier. This is HTC's Nice mid-range phone line and it's very popular in lots of countries. Well good I'm glad to see they're still doing that and I just had a thought for the gold It should be you were right It should be sham gold because it's not real gold. It's kind of champagne So what can you think then you're concluding the whole word gold? So do we have to call it sham old to make it an actual cup sham old? That's what I pretended to be old I was sham old Pew research in the news and they've just done a night foundation study about the evolving role of news on Twitter and Facebook This is pretty interesting found that 63% of us Facebook and Twitter users So not everybody but the users of Facebook and Twitter active users surveyed said that these platforms serve as a source of news About events and issues beyond what they get from their friends and their families The study also found the proportion of users who say they follow breaking news on Twitter is nearly twice as high as those Who say they do so on Facebook? It's kind of been my experience as well 59% versus 31% Facebook users are more likely to post and respond to content. I feel like that was a I think we all felt like we knew that It's nice to see a study better that out Anyway, while Twitter users are more likely to follow news organizations CNN breaking news whoever However, 60% of both Twitter and Facebook users said that the sites were quote not a very important way Unquote that they get their news and if you throw in people who don't use Twitter or Facebook at all The percent of US adults who use both Facebook and Twitter to find news drops to 8% so much much lower 66% of us adults see or rather use Facebook 17% use Twitter so There's a lot of numbers here and if I were to try to sum this up I guess what I'd say is hey more people notice that they're seeing news if they use Twitter and Facebook but still not a lot of people using Twitter and About two-thirds of us use Facebook. Would it be hard? This is totally hypothetical question, but it would it be hard to say Where people are actually getting their news. I mean my guess is it still TV? Oh, that's a that's another study and I bet you you can do a Google search and find exactly that information out In fact, I feel like we had a few research study about that not too long ago That that kind of looked overall at where people were getting their news But yeah, I it's going to be online news services Before Twitter and Facebook and whether television and newspapers actual like print newspapers are falling into the mix on one side or the other You know, I it almost doesn't matter for the purposes of this discussion, which is this is Coming across in some reports as Twitter and Facebook are the new source of news and that's not what it's saying What it's saying is people are noticing news on Twitter and Facebook a whole lot But none of them think it's their primary source, right? And their primary source is one of those other things you mentioned. Yeah, it's funny Articles and studies like this force me to face the changes I've made in the way I consume news content and it's completely different than it was say a decade ago And today I am one of these Twitter Facebook, you know, internet news guys and I don't get it from TV at all I'm a unplugger and I don't get it from, you know cable networks or any of that other stuff And I certainly don't get it from the newspaper on the daily So but do you go to Twitter or Facebook for your news or do you go somewhere else? That's a really good question The little bit of thought I've given it I think what happens is I react to news on those platforms I'll see something breaking and go oh someone so died or that whoa somebody bombed what and I'll see it in my feed But I'm not there to get it I was there to just know what's going on with everybody of Tom said this Veronica said that and oh breaking news There's been a shooting somewhere and then I've got it. I'm linking off to something else I'm maybe just investigating more, but you're right I don't really go there for my news and I know you can do lists You know and people create news lists and things like that But I'm often just too busy to be bothered with that and I and sometimes news comes to me Maybe that's a factor in this that will become more interesting as time goes on because it is kind of coming to us now Instead of us having to go to it. Yeah, I'm right there with you if if you ask me Do you see news on Twitter or Facebook? I'd say yes If you asked me do you consider it an important way to get news? I'd say no I'm right. I'm right here in the middle of the study because I go to sources I go to my RSS feeds I go to the BBC news I you know, I go to all kinds of places to find news. Those are the important places to find news But Twitter and Facebook are just those serendipitous ways that I pick it up It's the same news and sometimes the same news organization So it's that's interesting and Gadget reports that Samsung has launched its slimmest smartphone ever the 5.7 inch galaxy a8 is 5.9 millimeters thick weighs 5.3 ounces and has a near bezel-less display The phone also features a fingerprint sensor and a hand wave detection cost you about 3499 yuan in China. That's around us $560 no word on availability outside the country though seems like a cool phone You probably sell okay over here. You know that galaxy a series is always thin, but then not quite as good So if you like thin Go get it. You do give stuff up with that. Yeah, everyone try to pretend that the new MacBook isn't ridiculous But it's really thin. Yeah, it's thin. It's thin. All right A fortune reports that yik yak will allow users to post photos to its anonymous messaging service No one no no and no inappropriate photos Okay, anything you would send to your mother basically illegal content or faces will be allowed in the local feed yik yak will approve all photos Before they are allowed in the feeds the Apple ask users once for phone number to prevent lots So a little a little bit of security there if you don't know about yik yak It's it's basically a bathroom wall and I mean that in most senses like there's some really Disgusting things that get posted in there, but it's anonymous and it's local. So for me if I ever look at yik yak I usually see the local colleges like Loyola, Merriman Santa Monica College, etc. Maybe even UCLA Po students posting things about keggers and just studying and all that that's kind of its demo So the idea of putting photos in here, I think would be very disturbing for some people who like the anonymity of it But then yik yak's like no, we're gonna hire people to make sure nobody's faces show up. It's really interesting we had I tried this app out forever going it first came out and It was for a talk on a show about it or something and my son came to me Probably five months ago and said dad. Can I get yik yak on my phone? And I said no So I'm just putting it out there that if you're a parent of a 15 year old consider the n-word and say no The next web is another n-word, but it's a good one that reports that taxi hailing app get Gtt has updated its Android and iOS apps to make it easier for visually impaired and blind users to book a taxi When enabled the app reads an audio description of where users are pressing on the screen and which feature the user is interacting with Company was approached by 17 year old Addie Kushner who has been blind since birth With a request to make the app more accessible and even offered to help do to make it So if they wanted to sell switch on the feature you can enable voiceover or talk back in the most updated version of Get available in the US UK Russia and Israel good thing to do. It's good PR. Yes, please do that Good stuff. See an NBC is reporting that venerable music legend and Neil Young Posted on Facebook Wednesday that he will no longer allow his music to be streamed young wrote this I don't need my music. I'm not doing the voice I don't need my music to be devalued by the worst quality in the history of broadcasting or any other form of Distribution unquote and then he also wrote when this when the quality comes back I'll give it another look never say never he made absolutely zero mention that this includes his polo music service Which he helped develop Yeah, and I did a quick check and then he'll young music is still up on polo But I bet he hasn't pulled it down from all the streaming services I've overspoken to and his people are like no no hold on We are thinking because they're the poem one of the hallmarks of the polo service as I understand it I haven't used it but is that it had much better fidelity sound That was kind of by design and absolutely Yeah, you wanted that as part of the him being involved in it So it very well may be that all he's really talking about is the Spotify's Apple music's and you know Are our deos of the world and and not talking about his own service He wants to teach your children to appreciate music and this was just a song before he went Well, I hope he teaches them well CNBC reports Intel announced earnings per share of 55 cents on revenue of 13.2 billion dollars analysts had expected 50 cents on revenue of 13.04 billion dollars guidance for the full year has revenue down by approximately 1% and Netflix had their earnings as well added better than expected 3.28 million streaming subscribers in the June quarter People tend to look at subscribers with Netflix more than revenue. They did well on revenue as well. And in fact Netflix said that the new season of orange is the new black spurred a record amount of streaming So all good news there. They does this I don't know if it does but does this include their recent sort of international expansion stuff They've been doing. Oh, well, yes, it does. Absolutely. No, this is 3.28 million subscribers worldwide And they are still expecting to have 200 countries by the end of the year Time for a subreddit Acknowledgements many of the stories you have heard already. We're submitted to our subreddit. Thank you Get in there daily tech news show dot reddit comm submit some stuff and vote on it as well The voting is probably the most important thing because that's what we look at is like, oh, did this get a lot? Did it not get much sometimes we'll put it in anyway if we think it's important Sometimes we won't put it in anyway, even if it's got a lot of votes if we're thinking it's maybe overhyped or something But we do look at that. It does help us figure out the tally every day And today there was so much reddit star fury Zeta submitted the Gawker report on former reddit CEO Yishan Wong's latest post he took responsibility for loosening up Reddit's free speech policies in his day and he defended former interim CEO Ellen Pau who says who he says Resisted the board's push to ban all the hate subreddits new CEO and co-founder Steve Huffman Posted that neither he nor co-founder Alexis Ohanian Quote created reddit to be a bastion of free speech But rather as a place where open and honest discussion can happen Huffman is going to host an AMA on Thursday at 1 p.m. And you can bet it will be a doozy Yeah, and that post is a doozy there Immediately somebody found an old post by the same co-founder that seemed to say almost the opposite of what he's now Saying by the co-founder or by the former CEO Yishan Wong by the co-founder by the same guy back in 2012 or something by Steve Huffman or Alexis Ohanian I thought So by it by Huffman saying like this is a bastion of free speech opens thing and everyone Okay, whatever they want and and it just it felt antithetical to what this statement is Do you have a link to that so we know exactly what he wrote? I'm gonna find that because especially in this story saying I think he might have posted something Contrary to this is kind of important here It is it's in the it's in the actual comments of the link. We already have so I'm oh excellent content policy update I'm just gonna see if I can whip down to it There's a like a before and after and looks like the comments have buried what I saw but it's in here I just saw this more it is okay, so they they they call out lines like this This was in reddit 2012 supposedly being attributed to him. Okay now this they I haven't gone through to make sure it's for sure Him, but this is what it says we will tirelessly defend the right to freely share information on reddit in any way We can even if it is offensive or discusses something that may be illegal We remain committed to protecting reddit as an open platform and they have a link to the the original post Then you know today's obviously is we have no obligation to support Can you click on that link to the original post? And make sure that it actually goes to that post then it actually says what they're saying it says I'm sorry No, no, no, this is good what I do you're a newsman Tom. Let's see. I'm looking Yeah, here's the original post. I'm gonna give it to I'm gonna give it to us in here Not easily there we go put it right under the article And then this thing talks now sadly what it appears to me as I read this is that some of this stuff was not Was taken a little bit out of context for example, there's a line item in here that says today This is back in 2012 Says today we are adding another rule no suggestive or sexual content featuring minors, right? So what he's saying is we care deeply about how using reddit as a platform This doesn't contradict what he wrote yesterday in any way. Yeah Yeah, this is exactly the same thing of what he wrote yesterday Which is we want it to be an open platform for discussion But we don't consider it a place where you can say whatever you want So we are adding a rule no suggestive or sexual content featuring minors That's what he wrote three years ago, right? That's why I'm always wanting to check these things. It's good that you did because my my Assertion is that this is the stance that the entire Comment section is taking that they are saying something now that they said the opposite of back in 2012 and After now looking at this article I don't I don't see that it's all that totally different if you want to have a problem with Steve Huffman's stance of like You know what? We're not going to allow certain things On reddit because you think it should be more open. That's great but this is not an example of of a You know an about face on his part. He's saying We've never been a bastion of free speech But a place where open and honest discussion could happen And that's what he's saying in that old post from three years ago He's like we want this to be a place of open and honest discussion But sometimes it crosses the line and where we think it crosses the line We're gonna we're gonna call that out So you think there's rhetoric and hyperbole surrounding this whole reddit things out you tell I kind of think so Yeah, kind of think so. Yeah, am I is that am I am I being too extreme by thinking that I think that you're absolutely right And in fact it may redefine what those two words mean on the internet. Yeah Anyway, there's more captain kipper for example Who's always sending us cool things submitted in that story that the Commodore pet is back as an eye as an Android phone I'm set an iPhone that way they can happen with a Commodore 64 emulator on it So your dreams have come true Android police believes the phone is a rebranded Orgtec wa phone The phone will be available in Italy, France, Poland, Germany all later this month around $300 US for the 16 gig and the and 364 the 32 gig version of it. You want to live your your nostalgic Commodore 64 bone to its fullest, which who even knows what that means what I just said I I'm a big Commodore 64 fan still have a Commodore 64 was the second computer was a computer I really learned to program on I don't want this. Did you have a tape drive yours? I had a both the tape drive and the 1541 disc drives two of them. Nice Striked it rich submitted the hackaday post on how to build a proxy ham in the wake of Bill Cottle's Def Con Cancellation the article describes using a ubiquity rocket M base station a Raspberry Pi and a Yagi antenna And an Ethernet cable ours technical also notes that Rob Graham at a Rata security has his own recipe and Proxy gambit is a similar device for $235 use of any of these products may violate your local laws though So check to make sure you're not breaking the law before you go and either obtain or use one of these things but even though under Questionable circumstances this talk has been canceled. There's still plenty of ways to do what he was going to talk about I suspect Darren kitchen has things to say about this Yeah, I bet he does that's a good point and that is a look at the headlines. I Suspect Scott Johnson has something to say about purchases on Google, which everybody's calling a buy button Minor quibble the box ups that they're showing is just text, but it doesn't really matter You're on mobile and Google is got to be able to increase the amount of money it makes for mobile What everyone's saying about Google? They were saying about Facebook a year ago and Facebook has started to make that transition to investors Satisfaction just today a quarterly Adobe digital in book index came out showing that marketers are shifting their ad spending to mobile But Google is flatlined They're expected in Q2 To have raised mobile revenues one to two percent not nearly enough Bing and yahoo are projected to grow at much higher rates Google will still get 55% of the 82 billion spent on search But that won't last forever if they don't move byduce number two by the way at 9% So they have a big lead After April's mobile get-in where they change search results on mobile based on mobile friendly sites Cosper click rates for mobile search. It did rise 16% although click-through fell nine percent And Facebook display ads in that same period grew around four times Google. So there you go That's why Google needs to do this. That's why Google is you know, we're head over heels trying to tell you Hey, we've got all these great features on mobile sell your ads Scott How does this strike you as a small business man and consumer? Well in a few ways a couple things that struck me while you were rereading this and I was going through all of this earlier today Kind of trying to make sense of what their plans are and what the existing market is and the fact that this is a push in general By not just Google But a lot of people to create an easier buying experience for people on mobile makes sense to me because now Often is the time where I'm on a website I want to buy a thing and it's kind of a pain if I have to put a credit card in it's a huge pain And there's bigger chance of goofing up the number because I got a little keyboard. I'm on the bus or something I'm trying to do this with people around me like it's just a very different Proposition than desktop computing ever presented with buying so I get the whole push. I understand why we're all doing it The big concerns I have Are this one also by the way I think less click-through in those numbers is indicative of the same problem people see ads on mobile now and Mobile ads are more expensive. So it seems like whoa It's a new push toward mobile advertising But the reason click-throughs are down is because again There's a pain in the butt factor involved if I'm clicking through on a mobile phone that will sometimes launch an app Sometimes it launches in a new tab in the browser. I'm using sometimes the browser I'm using because I downloaded it from the app store is not the same browser as everyone else is using So it's not the same mobile experience like there's that again that pain and butt factor so I understand everybody wanted to do that my concerns would be this they're gonna launch this thing with limited partners and That makes sense, you know, you got to start somewhere and then you build it out Will that have ever ever sort of extend to a guy like me that has a store and I sell a bunch of prints on it Let's say I want to do some ad words or whatever and have people see it on mobile sites and buy it there What are my options? Down the road because what it feels like is a garden where only big companies can exist and little guys are gonna have to Figure out other ways you're kind of taking away there It's like, you know pre app store days pre Google playing pre hold on though We don't know that that's the case in fact Google said it was going to roll it out to all advertisers So it could be a templated thing where they say here fill in this form. Tell us where your checkout is Or or maybe they're gonna give you a separate bill of of you know merchandise that you'll have to fulfill on But if you're already fulfilling on your own merchandise, they're gonna say here you go Well, we'll plug into your big cartel or your Shopify or whatever and help you do this Or at least give you the information you need To do that if they if they do that if they say anybody can sign up You just have to allow them to use Google wallet and then we'll send you the money So you're gonna have to have a Google account. What does that change it for you? Yeah, it does and if the truth be told I'm taking some devil's advocate stances on this simply because they probably this raises questions forgetting about all like the You know the stuff it raises in the EU about net neutrality and some other issues you brought up earlier Which we can totally get to but but for me I'm actually kind of excited you give me a platform where I can sell more stuff It means a percentage of something I'm doing goes to somebody for developers That's to Apple or somebody else for an app store for you know on steam if you want to get your game noticed That means steam gets a little cut But the benefit to you is much greater because now you've got a platform where there's a lot of exposure Heck we could thank free services like Facebook and Twitter for giving us a platform where we have way more exposure and way More spread so for you know, I'm never gonna poo poo a thing that gives me more access to more people For me at this point, it's all just about whether or not I am given you know It's democratized access to the same kind of tools right and whether or not You know Google takes a bigger chunk on you know off the top when they when they sell the ad steam in the first place I don't know that part But what does this do for just going back to my whole point about that neutrality and issues overseas and other stuff What do you think that any of this is a is a hurdle for them? Yeah, and that's one of the reasons that I have a feeling it will be available To pretty much anybody who can work within that system right like if you sell your stuff on cafe press or Zazzle Then it might not work But if you fulfill your own stuff Then I have a feeling that it's that it's you're gonna have a way to be able to take advantage of this effect I'm trying to find the exact Early 2015 2016 rollout in their blog post the way it should work is let's say We'll just give a scenario here I've made a 12 by 18 print and I want to sell it on my store and it's up there on the store And people can go there manually and get it But I've also bought some ad time or however you want to say it's mad words mad space with Google And it shows up on a bunch of mobile sites people go. They say buy now through Google. They click it. I Don't exactly understand how that money gets to my PayPal account, which is how I gather money from the store So there's a lot of questions left, you know, just underpinning technical structural questions. I have But in theory, that's how it would work, right? I mean, I may have to use another Yeah, I may have to plug Google in as a payment processor or some other thing may have to happen but Hopefully the way it works is it's just simply do order came in this one happened again from a Google click as Opposed to that one that came before on the store directly Fulfill it send it out sign it be done like that's the dream. Yeah, if that's what they do then I'm happy Yeah, and I think they I think they will intend to make this as widely available as possible because they won't want somebody saying oh Here's another situation where Google is favoring particular segments, but it also does put Emphasis on buying through Google's own ads which are above the natural search results Which could also be an issue. You have I mean you do have to be an advertiser You do have to be paying money to take advantage of this. So There's a little bit of there's a little bit of a dance for them to do there. Although. I think they can do it What this really points out to me I'll tell you the biggest thing that hit me and in looking at the story is that the mobile platform is not as good for A user as the desktop platform and it's all about multitasking every time I've talked to somebody who's like I can do everything I want on a tablet. I don't need a desktop anymore. I've I've struggled to explain why that's not true for me But the simple thing is multitasking and they they mentioned in this blog post how well when you're on a desktop It's easy to just have someone link over to your site and people will shop, right? There's no friction there on mobile though because everything's in apps There's friction because you have to open an app and that's one of the other announcements today Google said they're going to allow deep linking into apps from search ads as well because they're trying to replicate the web now They're starting to realize the downside to siloing everything off in apps and they're trying to work around that Frankly man, Google you want to win this? I would make Android an HTML5 based web app Web app and operating system similar to firefox os as soon as possible And say now everybody can have an app and everybody can can link across things and multitasking becomes so much easier Some of multitasking is just going to be screen size and tap interface. I get that But a lot of it has to do with siloing everything off in these apps Yeah, and you forget how much you just alt tab and move over to that thing and quickly enter this and a new tab opens And all the while the stuff you were reading as a reference behind it all is still sitting there So you can look at it and you know desktop brings this stuff and has brought it for so long That uh, you you do feel it when you're on mobile like you feel the convenience like man mobile. This is the best I'd love it. I'm anywhere. I want to be and I just checked that email and answered that guy But there's something that's sometimes intangible that just feels off About the experience on I don't care what phone it is You just feel weird about that the way that worked the way I had to copy and paste that I couldn't just shortcut key to a A quick entry for my to-do list like there's just these these little quirky things In this in this forest full of apps That that they've got to figure out a way to conquer and and we as users do too I don't think it's settled how we're ultimately going to want to use all this stuff and that includes buying stuff So um, so yeah, it's a big challenge for them It's interesting to see yahoo and and and being doing doing well in the same period I don't know if that just means they're getting a piece of the pie that left google or if that's a something else It's just an expanding market And it's that's hard to say but that I thought those numbers were interesting And don't forget pinterest twitter facebook all doing similar buy button type things Where they're trying to make that mobile purchasing aspect frictionless They're all trying to solve for that same issue. It'll be interesting to see which one does it best Have you ever bought from twitter real quick one last question? I'm just curious if you've ever done that Nope You know a thing neither. Why I'm really curious about that experience and it was such so much talk about it And then I haven't heard a thing and I'm not even sure I've seen too many ads that have prompted me either So interesting Our pick of the day comes from tim who wants to know why egg knight e g ny te at egg knight.com Is never brought up in cloud storage conversations He says could it be because they don't offer a free version just a limited trial Is it because they're not catering to individuals their minimum Plan is five users. It's a business plan But tim says I don't know I've used egg knight for about a year and it is by far the most capable fastest Most feature rich file cloud storage that I've ever seen their hybrid functionality alone is so useful I could never be without it again Tim says it blows the doors off box drop box and one drive share point trying to be a file system I'm adding that Isn't even in the same league my two cents keep up the great work So tim is a big egg knight fan and so egg knight's getting its due today. Thanks to tim. Uh, these are these picks are never sponsored They're always user picks. I have not used egg knight. I cannot say whether it's any good The only thing I will say is the reason it doesn't get brought up is it is an enterprise class cloud storage system You you minimum have to pay for five users out of the box for your small business plan. So it's it's not really Classed the same as drop box and one drive are although drop box and box and one drive all would like to be enterprise class Products as well as individual consumer products. So they are competing. They're almost going the other direction You hear about their new initiatives and enterprise solutions. Yeah. Yeah It seems to be coming that way So I wouldn't be surprised if egg knight did maybe a little more consumer direct single guy sort of stuff At some point, but they're not marketing in that way. So I'm guessing a ton of people who've heard this show I've only heard about it in passing But I'll bet most people I've even heard of them because they're not in the market for You know a big enterprise solution like that. So uh, yeah, let's hope Dear writer inner what's his name again tim that they uh, maybe they make a version for me. That'd be great Send your picks to us feedback at daily tech news show dot com You can find my picks at daily tech news show dot com slash picks our email today bears on our conversation a little bit Scott Johnson Marcello in Sao Paulo wrote in and did a little legwork for us. Thank you Marcello I've been running some comm score numbers and notice a decline in google search in brazil both in page views whose trend is Usually similar to queries and unique users There's a steep decline in desktop searches explained by the shift to mobile But even in the multi-platform report google is softly declining He found an article from the new york times which he thinks confirms his suspicions as to why He says even though ios represents a smaller share of devices out there We know that ios users have a large piece of internet usage in mobile and apple has a deal with bing They have a deal with bing for for siri The search box does not fit devices like smartwatches internet of thing devices and personal assistants like amazon echo google will have to either expand its domination to all of those multiple entry points or lose market share to competitors The new mobile world opens new opportunities to these competitors and google dominance gets more challenging. Uh, yeah What an excellent perspective where as far again google dominating on the desktop right now But that's like saying nokia dominated in candy bar phones Uh, you've got to make the jump to that next wave If you want to continue to dominate and right now It's not a sure thing that all of your future devices will use google as their search engine That's super fascinating. I never looked at it from this perspective, but it really rings true, especially with the amazon echo I think it's it's a opaque experience You don't even know what that thing is using for its search results when you're asking it questions You just know it's working well And that's got to be a little scary If we have lots and lots and lots of devices out there that aren't using google as their back end But people aren't caring because if you're on a desktop computer like oh use google you only use google No one uses any else use google I mean you have that one weird advantage of brand recognition and and you've earned that google that But when it comes to everything else if my fridge starts talking to me the last thing i'm thinking about is Does this use google because if not forget it, you know, and I think that's a real that's a really really That's a great point. Yeah, I don't care if my fridge uses bing just as long as the search results Give me what I was asking for Exactly and you wouldn't say that with a computer or even a mobile device like they're gonna This is all changing real quick and man he nailed it. That's a really great email I bought a uh think pad uh to put linux on but it came with windows 7 And so I've been using it with that and one of the things when I downloaded firefox and installed it firefox's default Oh, uh search engine is yahoo. So I left it that way to see If I would need to change it a couple of times I've decided to do a search in google and I have a feeling it's more that I've learned the quirks of google So I knew how to craft the query better But most of the time I search in yahoo and it gives me exactly what I was looking for Yeah, I mean it's both A blessing and a curse that they're so dominant because everybody else feels like they have to keep catching up to them And then we don't notice that they were all pretty good for a long time and they're probably all great You know like bing would probably give me exactly what I need right now if I went and checked it I just don't think to it's just only gets scary for google when The devices aren't showing us who they're using and then all bets are off Well, that is it for the show. Uh, thank you scott johnson as always. Uh, I know you've got uh What's this little little soiree that you're putting together uh coming up in a couple weeks I have our yearly uh fan convention called nerd tackler. It's uh happening the 30th 31st No, it's the 31st and first I guess Although we'll be there in the 30th. Anyway, it's a little confusing at the end of this month It's only in a couple of weeks is all and uh very excited about it. Lots of producers coming yourself eronica belmont brian abit Oh too many to mention lizards chris metson will be there. 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I forgot his name now chris hadfield hadfield retweeted it uh felicia day retweeted it Like it just went berserk and by the end of the day it was like 30 000 retweets. I'm like, what even happened there But uh, anyway, just thanks to those who thought that was funny and forwarded it to their friends and created kind of a Chaos on my you went viral scott It was weird as the only most that's the most viral twitter thing has ever happened to me And it was a complete afterthought so lesson Here's the lesson tom if you make something quickly without too much thought and you thought it was kind of dumb in the first place It might go viral. It might be a big hit on the internet Uh speaking of nerd tackler, we've been mentioning this a lot. 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That's the guy Thank you who you thank for doing the themes for the instance. You're supposed to say that three times faster when you say Matthew oxley at Matthew oxley dot com Uh Great show everybody. What should we call it? Um, well the leader is right now neil young demands that the internet get off his lawn My my hey, hey get off my lawn. Yeah Keep on rocking and someone else's streaming service Oh rocking in the free in the streaming free world Is uh next up streaming free. I like that. It's clever proxy ham sandwich Nice And then sales fulfilling prophecy. That's nice. It's not nice. Good for a sandwich And then i'm looking for others Cell phone spelled s e l l They did there tricky tricky Yeah, oh, yeah, where which one was that read it and forget it read it and forget it Yeah, that's not bad. That's been submitted before right No, I feel like that's familiar. There's been so many reddity Yeah, yeah, so many. Well. Thank you. W. Scottish one for filling in for beatmaster today. Yes. Thank you You are a dream beatmaster fresh shambles It's uh looking like a race between rocking in the streaming free world and neil young demands the internet get off his lawn I really like that for the the internet get off his lawn one I think that's showbot.tv I like that so neil young Can we shorten it and say neil young says internet get off my lawn? Well, what about neil young to internet get off my lawn that works that works Yeah, neil young to internet get off my lawn I think that's my favorite one because it's like that clenice would Movie wasn't there a movie where a clenice was like that off my lawn. How do you spell neil young? Is it any i l? I think it's any i l but let me check I'm gonna say neil young to net Yep, get off my lawn. Yeah, it's any i l Thank you Rockin in a free world Into the black and out of the streaming You really that's really good Like put that up with it. I put that with jimmy kennels or jimmy uh, found That's not that good. That's pretty good. But can you do the boss? Uh Jimmy Fallon does it great probably not do certainly not on demand So what's going on in everybody's worlds? Well, I've been working on my Bruce Springsteen impersonation. Yeah. Yeah For about three seconds now If I keep talking today, I'm gonna have a um I've got a jannis joplin brewing in the back of my throat and if I keep talking And I can do a whole joplin concert rough up that voice It is rough. Let me tell you I've basically been non-stop talking since Tuesday morning Why is that? Why so much talking so much talking? Uh, you know freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose. All right I'm not even kidding. I do a mean jannis when I get this right. Um, so I want to hear this Let's hear this. Uh, yeah, I'll save it for dertacular. All right Much better person. I almost guarantee Everyone sure not a problem. I'll bust out with 10th avenue freeze out if you do. Yeah. Yeah Uh, so I teach scott is the answer to that question. I teach new media at a school here and I did we did music videos yesterday. We talked about music videos on the internet So it was basically like a whole lesson about okay go Yeah Uh, and so when you play the music videos and talk over them apparently that's bad Because you lose your voice I see I was I was expecting a rights issue, but you're right. Yeah more. No, it's just like About saturday at m15. I'll be in the same boat, but then I'll have this really great voice the day after that Yeah, there's something to that roughed up voice like The works even though it's not good for you. I need to smoke No, get some clothes cigarettes. Yeah, I'm gonna start now We're a beret as soon as you get nick out of the house, man. Just let it all out Yeah, exactly. Get out of here boy. Light up get off to college. I'm gonna smoke our clothes By the way, Tom, I like how you cut yourself off instead of saying let it all hang out. You just stopped I know Scott I know where he was gonna go with that Going with that. I like that I can't I can't pass up a good wiener joke. I mean, it's what the whole foundation of the morning stream is built on Wieners all the way down Wieners all around Hot dogs armor hot dogs Oh, Ian McKelvin did an AMA. I missed this Oh I'm professor. No, wait, uh, not professor. I'm magneto slash Gandalf asked me anything. What do you think of dirty subreddits? And he said keep it secret. Keep it safe Use vote Yo, at is it secret? Is it on vote? And the vote thing I heard they got attacked or something like brought down. Oh, yeah, they got D dust It's not a not a shocker We have a daily tech news show vote. Uh, scottie rollin jumped in on it And somebody else created it and thank you to that somebody else who name. I'm apologize for slipping my mind Uh, they scottie was asking me if we were gonna formalize it and I told him We'll just kind of see how it goes if everybody ends up over there. Then it's good to have it Uh, and maybe it'll come in useful for something we don't even anticipate But I kind of I mean the subreddit is is perking along fine I don't see any reason to try to do two at once or change or anything yet But what's the service? That you guys are talking about vote What vote vote? Yeah v o a t dot co It's basically a Reddit That's a reddit clone. Yeah, it's a reddit clone It's where and it's where they were all bailing to then when they were having the rule Oh, it's it's and it's down right now You go you guys were both talking. Oh, no, it's being bodied. So it gave me a moment before it So you go to vote dot co v o a t dot co slash v slash daily tech news show There's a uh nice little Subvote, right? It's not called a sub vote. What is it called? Uh, subverse subverse. Yeah, they have v's instead of ours Well v It seems weird that it would be such a clone dr. Whiskey is the one who created it. Thank you dr. Whiskey Hey, I like anyone named dr. Whiskey, right if I was making a reddit like I'd try to at least do something new I don't know. It's the same It's well, but the issue with reddit isn't its user interface Well, I might disagree But but they went as far as that's not why people are protesting Do when we have sub pages we'll put a v there just like the r on the other like it's weird You don't even have to have that It's weird But hey, who am I to say tom? Who am I? You teach your children well Their parents hell will slowly go by I love that song I like the whole era Feed them on your dreams. No man. I want food dreams are my own That's the problem with generation x freaking hippie parents tried to feed us dreams. We all got stunted growth Yeah, vote. I don't trust anything that says vote, but it spells goat almost It's vote see Yeah, I don't like it. I'm like that just seems like an illegal animal somebody created in a lab. I don't trust it Had me a vote see Where you spread your votes around across many subverses Amazing That was amazing Welcome to the middle of the night with this overwhelming feeling that I had forgotten a bunch of nertacular things Like oh, yeah, I bet that's a natural phenomenon at this time of year, huh? hate I want to have it all done You're like that's why I hired karin. Why am I having these dreams? It's the worst ever That's because you have to trust people and you have really great people and you can trust them But it's still that terrible feeling of like I just delegated stuff Yeah, no, that's you have to think about it. I don't deal with that very well I never have but it'll be fine. It always works out. It's always good Yeah, and also your crowd is basically the most forgiving crowd in the history of crowds Oh, I could throw a horse poo at them and they would Free horse poo It's more worrying about the people that are coming in specifically and you get some horse poo Like I shouldn't even be nervous about metson. He it was his idea to come make great He says we'd like if anything goes wrong be like you decided to come metson. It's like that's on you, dude We could talk about this more off the live, but do do have a handler Yeah, basically Corinne's my handler Between her and Dave I'm handled handling Yeah, I'll be fine. It's fine worrying. I know I'm gonna stop this is what him worry I mean, you know, it could be an avalanche, but no one happened That already did happen. Well, it happened two years ago and that was early july. That's when the rain season was still there I think we'll be yeah, like none of those things are worries. They have a new they have a bunch of new spaces Like there's just it's a new spaces. Yeah, I knew that we were able to make a little room and We've sold more tickets like it's just better. Everything's better, but I always worry That's the way it is. Well, it all right. I will I'll grant you that you're allowed to worry about bringing humans all to one place and the Alternate reality consequences of that. Yeah, right the responsibility of taking on 1500 people plus The people who are performing for them. I get it. That's just the general anxiety of like Making a big decision and if it's everyone to have a good time Yeah, and if you don't here's the problem is that and I've been told this people say well I would worry more about you if you didn't worry about it. Sure Freaking out then you just don't care and I guess that's true. I just wouldn't mind It's a tiny bit to like a little less waking up at 3 a.m. going talked about valium because That's what the dentist gives me when they try to shoot my mouth full of needles and I start crying I'm not saying I'm just saying just saying you know a guy who knows a guy who knows a valium guy And oh my god, it just makes the smallest Like I only use it literally when someone's shooting needles in my mouth But I imagine putting on a con would be that's a good time to do that is when they're shooting. Yeah I'm I'm actually notable as the person who they remember forever in the dentist's office because of the Unmitigated sobbing that happened the last time they just started to deep clean my teeth Dude, you are me I was not happy like I do not well i'm gonna stop talking now, but I do not like the dentist Yeah, I hate it. I actually really like my dentist, but I hate that that I have to know him. Yeah I was like, why are you lifting up my gums stop? Yeah, don't do that Don't do that. Don't drill in my mouth There should not be the smell of fire coming out of my mouth unless I was just eating tacos It'd be more like dogs dogs have teeth that I know they can have issues But if you have a good you take care of your dog and keep them healthy. You have the best I wouldn't be like Yeah, I don't have anything done Or maybe Maybe tom's dogs are both in pain right now. We just don't know it Oh man Sawyer is exactly what you're talking about jango on the other hand is just one of those dogs that even though she's Not a purebred has all of the issues and they're never the same one twice It's insane. Yep. And yet and yet she's outlived her life expectancy. So still kicking. Yeah It's good The uh, it took us forever to find a food that she wouldn't have problems with not to get to graphic and They just discontinued it Oh So I think I I think I've found a replacement That she's tolerating. Okay, but man that dog She was supposed to get surgery on her canine cruciate ligament, which is torn And came up out of the blue with a weird liver reading and they're like, we can't give her surgery but that I'm like She just knows how to get out of surgery. I guess I don't know She's doing good, you know, like Yeah, you know, she's a lady now. She's in her 80s human years. So she moves a little slower, but otherwise she's fine Still ours is still a puppy, you know, she probably moves faster than I do Tom's dog moves faster than he does Actually, that's true. That's true of my dog too. It's true of my kids. Everyone moves faster than me Just a hobbit at this point Roger to ceiling mode Roger you've been Roger roger's having a baby the baby thing roger's having a baby Another one expect that no, he's he's trying to soothe no one expects roger to have get pregnant The Spanish insemination No Where are the needles for my eyes because I'm ready to stab them out fetch the comfy chair The comfy chair All right, all right, we're done here I'm out of the post certainly And I don't know what's coming up next folks Who knows apocalypse for all we know. What is it? Uh, it's wednesday. I don't know. I'm reading the stand again Something on wednesdays. What's what's on wednesdays? I have a hundred and six and I'll still bake ball It's usually sordid laser coming up on wednesdays, but there's no sordid laser. It's an off week for sordid laser So even life is today 8-bit life that's a good one life for burdo's 8-bit life Go watch 8-bit life folks 8-bit life is the best interview I've ever done. Yeah me too I'll agree with that watch 8-bit life go it'd be 8-bit life immediately following nothing. Just go watch it. Just go watch it Oh tom you're